Andy Serkis Alludes to Snoke’s Power and Unlimited Resources in The Last Jedi
The mysteries surrounding Supreme Leader Snoke’s origins are so numerous that there isn’t really much we can say we really know about him for certain. We know he leads the First Order, that he is Kylo Ren’s Master, and that he clearly doesn’t consider cosmetic surgery to be a requirement for a man of his stature. We also know that he is someone to be feared, but the exact reasons for that fear are still quite ambiguous.
POTENTIAL SPOILERS!!!
Earlier this week, Reddit user “greatjorb88” posted what appears to be a short blurb from an upcoming People magazine article which has some interesting quotes from Andy Serkis that alludes to just how powerful Snoke really is.
“Is Snoke more powerful than Darth Vader or the Emperor”? Serkis replies by saying “Oh, without question. He has unlimited resources”. Now that is still an ambiguous comment that could mean anything from the possibility that he commands more troops than his Imperial predecessors or that he can draw on the dark side even more than the chosen one himself. The combination of that comment with his remark that Snoke “is the dark end of the force” would lead one to believe that his comments are in relation to his force-related abilities.
Perhaps it is unwise to take him literally, but the idea that he somehow represents the dark side in some pure form, could tie into these “awakenings” of strong force power we have seen in Rey and Kylo Ren. Could Snoke too be capable of pulling from previously unseen levels of power? Could he in some way be the cause of this awakening?
We may not get confirmation in full of our Snoke theories in The Last Jedi. As Rian Johnson has mentioned, we will only see what the story dictates. But it is clear that Snoke will be taking a much bigger role this time, and there’s no doubt that a lot about the man behind the curtain will be revealed. We only have to wait a couple more weeks to find out.
Let us know what you think Snoke’s “unlimited resources” might refer to in the comments? And do you really think Snoke could be more powerful than Vader and Palpatine?
So a mysterious guy rulling over remnants of the Empire and much smaller number of systems is more powerful and has more resources than a powerful Sith master who ruled over majority of the former Republic? Cool, cool. I know they always need “bigger, better, more powerful villains” in movies and games, but sometimes it just sounds ridiculous.
Snoke definitely doesn’t command more troops than the Emperor. I guess the comment must be related to his force abilities then. In TFA, he actually looked like a very feeble leader and not at all threatening.
Seeing the above picture of the guard together with their different helmets and weapons got me thinking, are these guys Snoke’s version of the Knights of Ren, maybe even being a select few of the KoR who got promoted?
Yes and perhaps Kylo killing Han was his final test to become a P. guard but Snoke still rejects him so he gets angry and smashes his helmet into the wall. And then he seeks revenge on Snoke thereby coming over to the light side.
The guard are his royal guard. Nothing more.
Seeking revenge on Snoke out of anger and resentment for not being promoted (or something along those lines) would not turn him to the light side – he’d still be very much rooted in darkness as it would be more of a Palpatine-killing-Plagueis kind of situation.
By your logic, Luke should’ve killed Vader and the Emperor instead of saving his father and dropping his weapon.
That makes the light side sound so wimpy. I mean why would the Jedi ever have light sabers in the first place. They would just need some Gungan energy shields to deflect any attack while they profess their love and encouragement for their assailant. Silly.
There is such a thing as righteous vengeance. It’s closely associated with justice. And I looong for it.
Well they did manage to build a third more powerful death star. Sure it took 30 years… but that’s clearly a sign the FO isn’t strapped for cash.
I know they’ve said a few times the hows and whys aren’t important but man they sure seem important to me. Why is any of this happening? Who is he? To me those questions seem absolutely vital. Along with Rey and Luke.
The whole point of the new trilogy screams… here’s where we are now and none of it worked out for the original characters. Here’s why and how we can fix it. I’d like to hope that’s what we get to to cover over the next two movies.
All we know right now was Luke tried to restore the Jedi Order and failed.
Totally agree – the we didn’t know who the Emperor was in the OT so why should we know Snoke excuse doesn’t wash with me. Older fans and a whole new generation of fans had Palpatine’s rise to power shown in the PT, like it or not, so to have Luke and Leia fail in terms of Jedi and reformed Republic with no explanation is a bit poor.
Exactly. It’s not the same thing at all… but an explanation as why it all fell apart and who is this guy to rebuild so much of it?
I’ll believe it when I see it.
Its my opinion that unless Snoke is at least as powerful as Sheev then “what are we doing here?”. Could you imagine the galactic ramifications if Snoke’s most heinous crime was jay-walking.
So after thinking about how the dark side is used by non-sith force wielders, What if the sith are just a small portion of the dark side users in this galaxy. And maybe Snoke is from an older sect of force users and has been quietly pulling strings in the background trying to stage his own uprising. Now with Palpatine out of the way his time is now.
I like it, that could work.
We know the Sith aren’t the only dark side users.
Sooo…. you’re saying there’s a chance.
of Snoke being an older Force user? Sure.
That idea seems to be aligned with all the material (Rebels, trailers) pushing the scope of the force to something bigger than just light vs dark, so i could see it happening.
I wouldn’t mind him being some sort of well-spring of dark power, maybe using elements of the Plagueis background in that he’s manipulated stuff in the background. Though that would be in conflict with Leia and Han already knowing.
No way he can have more resources than Palpatine, the FO isn’t as strong as the Empire I didn’t think.
In terms of existing opposition, I guess what Serkis said could be correct….from a certain point of view.
Empire had to grow out of an existing republic, which wasted time and resource cutting corners, passing ‘laws’, taking control of ‘rogue’ elements. FO just destroyed the New Republic and was allowed to exist independently before that, consolidating power and resources without much interference from anybody until Leia starts the Resistance.
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Jesus Christ, I can’t believe I wrote all that. lol
Snoke is a sociopathic real estate mogul with a lust for power and a love of gold.
Is he running for POTUS too ?
I think he’s way more interesting than Palpatine, but that’s just my opinion.
It’s a sentence in a magazine that makes a generalization. This is my least favorite part of being a Star Wars fan, when every single meaningless quote and sentence is dissected. Just get here already December 14th, I am sick of this crap.
I feel ya.
Boo hoo
Didn’t Johnson say that he really wasn’t going to get in to Snoke in this film?
Yes, but we might have some more clues after TLJ… or at least that seems to be what everyone wants
Somehow I don’t think Johnson’s the kind of director who will do things because ‘everyone’ wants it.
I think he’s more likely to do what he thinks is correct and interesting.
Which I think is the best approach to SW.
If Snoke is not Plagueis, the scriptwriters are missing a pretty big open goal.
And by “goal” we mean black hole that retcons the previous movie and betrays the vision laid forth by Lucas, but sure!
They’ve already betrayed George’s vision
Agreed. Who cares if he’s more “powerful” if there’s no story there?
No, they haven’t.
But bringing back someone George killed surely would.
Maul was dead too…
And George is the one who brought him back, as only George has the right to do.
in case you hadn’t noticed…Disney has pretty much tossed what Lucas wants…and he has no rights now.
“Disney has pretty much tossed what Lucas wants”
That’s not true. They’ve released only the Special Editions, they still give the prequels a fair amount of attention, and the OT is constantly in the spotlight (and it was, of course, created by Lucas). The only thing they’ve tossed is the EU, and Lucas never gave a crap about it.
man, your words are like daggers! lol
Yes, but but they play a little loose with the animated stuff. They won’t in the movies.
done right, there would be nothing loose about it.
Anything that brings him back would be loose because he only existed to give Anakin a reason to turn.
And if you watch the movie, he can’t save himself. Only others.
I guess…I personally think it’s a easy fix and would be great.
Fix? Nothing is broken.
we will see soon enough.
BIG TIME!
No, they haven’t.
come on Deadly….why don’t you like idea of plaguies? so many ways to go that would be amazing with him.
Because he is dead. And that’s boring to me, to bring back someone who was only there to seduce Anakin. It makes Palpatine look dumb if he can’t even kill his own master and it’s a retcon. That’s what the EU did. Count me out.
That’s just it…we don’t know the full extent of what Plaguies could do. they wouldn’t need to retcon anything. but they’re not doing it, so it doesn’t matter. He’s going to be an unknown that will wipe out the entire arc of original 6.
We know, based on Palpatine’s words, he could save others, but not himself. Bringing back a dead character would retcon George and they aren’t doing that.
You must have misunderstood the arc of the original 6 then. Care to explain?
found, fallen, redeemed…hope for the future! bout as simple as it can be done.
Pass.
you cant…its canon!
yeah, kinda sad too because it would have connected all the movies with out wiping out story arc from original 6 films.
Dying to hear this explanation. The original 6 didn’t have a story arc, lol. The original 3 did and then Lucas retconned them to be about Vader. They weren’t. They were about Luke.
nvm…i forgot, the prequels don’t exist and aren’t canon…
hahahahahahahaha, no that’s not what I meant, but if that’s the level of discourse we are going to have, then I will just bow out.
The OT had an arc. The PT had an arc. All 6 movies were not designed with one story arc. George retconned one onto it later, but if you watch the OT, you would have to be insane to see it as Vader’s story over Luke’s.
just cause George said it was doesn’t make it so. The PT is Anakin’s story. The OT is Luke’s.
you should know me well enough to recognize sarcasm…personally, I liked how he blended them into one arc. Your fanhood is starting to be questioned!
That’s an odd thing to say. Questioning my fanhood simply because I recognize the realities of how these movies were made? From you, who seems to be against the new movies but are all for the EU, all of which George never considered part of his Star Wars universe? That’s hilarious.
I don’t think he did blend them. He certainly explained it after the fact, but that doesn’t change who’s POV the OT is told from.
ROTJ is not about Vader being conflicted; it’s about Luke’s faith being rewarded despite Obi Wan and Yoda telling him he is wrong.
it was meant to be hilarious…weve got to work on your recognition of sarcasm!
Look, it used to be about Luke…now it’s about Vaders redemption. keep up…lol
And the prequels only made the OT better, the EU defined and expanded the characters and thus far the sequel has said the hell with it….we’re mixing them all together to give you a greatest hits that has nothing to do with the original besides the way it is shot. right?
I disagree with that because just SAYING it is now about vader’s redemption doesn’t make it so.
When you watch the OT, it’s not about vader’s redemption at all, but Luke’s journey and his faith that his father still has good in him. The conflict doesn’t lie with Vader, but with Luke. Keep up!
I disagree the PT made the OT better, if anything, it made some things seem rather silly and the EU, while fun, was an inconsistent, incoherent mess that was not part of Lucas’s vision at all, ever, not even once.
But you never answered my original question: how does the ST destroy the arc of the original 6 (the arc that doesnt exist except when George told you so)?
it does exist…you can’t change the fact that he made the prequels and the narrative arc. it doesn’t matter what his original intent was. He changed it, period. So far ( as new movies could change this perspective)…TFA, doesn’t build, expand or move forward the plot of the chosen one’s redemption and the balance of the force which he created as being the chosen one. now, all of a sudden it’s back out of whack in 30 years???? I know you hate it but JJ admited as much in regards to it being a near soft reboot of the OT films.
EU was always consistent and changed based on George’s vision. He admitted he liked some of the ideas and used many of the characters. and it sounds like he was planning on using the same kids from the EU in his version of 7.
of course both of these are from 2 people with very different perspectives of the SW movies….mine just happens to be correct! lol
Oh, it totally matters what original intent is bc the OT reflects that intent, not the intent he decided on later. When those movies were made, the focus was on Luke. No amount if saying differently will change that they are still about Luke.
The OT isn’t about the Chosen One’s redemption at all. It’s about Luke. The Chosen One is never mentioned because it wasn’t invented yet. As for balance of the Force, that happened when the Sith were destroyed. And Lucas had already established, before Disney, that there are other dark side sects out there, so it doesn’t go against his vision at all.
It isn’t a reboot at all, it’s a sequel.
EU was always consistent? HAHHAHAHAH. Not even close dude. you are having a break with reality. That’s not true at all.
Yes, the EU had to change based on what George did in the movie’s, which proves it was inconsistent. Boba Fett was Jaster Mereel before George did AOTC. That whole mess haha.
No, that’s actually incorrect. George was not going to use the same kids from the EU. 100% false. Jacen and Jaina were not in it and Chewie was still alive in George’s treatment. I don’t know where you got that info, but someone was messing with you.
Of course, this is just from me, who has been following this whole thing very closely for my entire life and you can actually google what I said and see that I am correct.
I hope your ongoing struggle with reality gets better for you!
lol
let’s beer up soon….my fingers can’t keep up with all I need to get out!
Oh and here you go:
https://www.facebook.com/TheStarWarsHub/posts/925031870932665
Proof that Lucas was not using the EU Solo kids in his treatment.
That’s what being correct actually looks like. This was fun! Let’s do it again soon!
ahhh, it’s from your buddy…not George.
Yeah, the buddy who read it and knows what it was about. And knowing what I know of George, I know it’s true because he only really liked the EU comics bc of the visual stuff. he never read a single novel. Fact.
He sure used many EU characters….to not like it or read it.
The staff of The Clone Wars were big fans and would often suggest them. Aside from the comics, he wasn’t aware of many of them (that’s why the Yuuzhan Vong were going to appear, but be totally different).
These are facts, man. They can’t be denied.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIIukEukrOA listen to his view towards the end of the prequels
I have the original VHS of this haha. I’ve been aware of his statements here for quite some time.
Try reading these:
https://www.amazon.com/Making-Star-Wars-Definitive-Original/dp/0345494768/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1512695019&sr=8-1&keywords=the+making+of+star+wars
https://www.amazon.com/Making-Star-Wars-Empire-Strikes/dp/0345509617/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1512695019&sr=8-3&keywords=the+making+of+star+wars
https://www.amazon.com/Making-Star-Wars-Return-Jedi/dp/0345511468/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1512695019&sr=8-2&keywords=the+making+of+star+wars
https://www.amazon.com/How-Star-Wars-Conquered-Universe/dp/0465049893/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1512695037&sr=8-1&keywords=how+star+wars+conquered+the+universe
That might help you. Because even he will tell you that he didn’t make that up until it was time to do the PT.
This too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_From_the_Adventures_of_Luke_Skywalker
The Adventures of Luke Skywalker. Not Anakin. Because Anakin was dead at the time and wasn’t Darth Vader until the 3rd draft of ESB.
George says a lot of BS. Some people who haven’t paid attention since the beginning fall for it. Some of us know better.
Have a good night!
really…wiki…lol!
That reply makes no sense.
Ok, so is this is my last reply to you because you clearly are having a hard time understanding what I am sending you. It’s not “wikipedia”. It’s the title of the damn book. That’s official.
Here it is from Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Adventures-Luke-Skywalker/dp/0345274768
That was what it was originally called. Any Star Wars fan would know this so you laughing off the source means you didn’t and means you didn’t get the point which means…I am done talking to a brick wall. Wish I could say it’s been fun, but it hasn’t.
lol…ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_nigIbJ9KM&list=PLTSRRhOQHb91OpR5jLOoTpeQIWTFAAlCP
None of this has to do with anything we are discussing so I will take this sudden change of discussion as you conceding the point.
I don’t see the point here? They took his treatment as a starting point and went from there. That’s how treatments work. Do you have a point or are you gonna show me videos with information I already know over and over again?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH6aF6l4KBU his comments to charlie rose about tfa…lol
I don’t care what he thinks? Is this supposed to change my opinion?
He wasn’t a fan of your precious EU either and frankly, after Episodes 1 and 2 and some of 3 and the special editions…he wasn’t exactly killing it either.
TFA is better than any of the prequels. Better written, acted and directed.
not even close….
You’re right. The prequels are not even close.
look, stop with the Disney PR stuff…TFA will never have an original story and even JJ admits that much.
Keep the prequel crap out of this trilogy. The less we are reminded of that disaster, the better.
Just out of curiosity, if he is so powerful, why does he need Elite Praetorian Guards. Same goes for the emperor.
Snoke appears rather frail and physically vulnerable, hence why he may require a degree of protection. Do keep in mind that ones power in the Force does not always manifest strictly into combat abilities, Snoke could be powerful at mental probing or clairvoyance for example.
His telekinetics skill has already been confirmed in publications ; his ‘combat’ skill with the Force has been shown in the trailer with the ‘Force-tornado’ he sets upon Rey….
To prevent a darth Plageous situation. Everybody’s gotta sleep.
“More powerful than the Chosen One” ? Well, in-lore would have us believe that Anakin’s “off-the-scale” midi count (“more than Yoda”) would have been severely depleted once he became a cyborg, and thus unable to ‘channel’ the Force so well. SIdious was presumably lower in midi count than Anakin hence his flattery and his need to secure a powerful Apprentice ; likewise, Vader’s later remarks “I must serve my Master” precisely because he is now the weaker of the two.
A recent you-tuber theory pointed out the device to the stage right of Snoke’s throne, and proposing that it ‘contains’ the Force, which might very well be keeping Snoke alive – he is, as we’ve been told after all, physically twisted and maimed [possibly at Luke’s hand a decade or so earlier ??].
So I don’t see it as too much of a stretch in-lore to say, even without the whole ‘Force Awakens’ semantics shenanigans, that Snoke is as powerful in the Force, if not more powerful, than Sidious, and definitely more powerful than Vader.
two weeks and we will see…I’m just worried that Luke isn’t going to be crazy powerful.
luke makes good choices and tries hard
Personally, I don’t think they will make Luke that weak. Cause that would sort of discredit the whole original trilogy. Not that he was particularly powerfull in it, but he should probably be one of the strongest living force beings.
Luke FOR SURE needs at least his one big moment to show what he’s got! It would be a major missed opportunity, as well as a slap in the fans faces to not give us some Jedi Master Luke in action. Mark Hamill himself has pointed out in interviews that we never truly get to see Luke in Jedi Knight form in the OT, since he truly only becomes a Jedi at the very end of the trilogy. So many of us have been waiting decades to see our beloved hero in all his glory. Hoping so hard that the filmmakers won’t let us down.
Unlimited resources, huh? If only there was a character with ties to the upper eschelons of both the Resistance and the First Order… that would fit the bill nicely, wouldn’t it?
The only way I see him being more powerful than Vader and the emperor is of he’s like a dark side god. Maybe like the thanos or Satan of Star Wars. Unlimited resources sounds like a god