George Lucas’ Initial Plan for Luke Skywalker in the Sequel Trilogy!

luke-skywalkerSince the announcement of a new sequel trilogy, it’s become a common activity to go back through old interviews with cast and film makers to try to glean information about Lucas’s original intent for what would happen after Return of the Jedi.  Mark Hamill, ever open on the subject, has been one of the greatest sources of that information, frequently relaying bits of his conversations with Lucas over the years about what he had expected from subsequent films.  From the various comments, it seems the direction that Lucas envisioned evolved over the years, but seemed to always focus generally on Luke as a wiser and older Jedi.

 

 

This 1983 piece, while light on content, does get interestingly specific on a possibility that was once envisioned for Luke’s future.  And it ties into some popular theories for what people expect out of Episode VIII.

 

 

The piece itself is fascinating.   The late great Gene Siskel doing a feature on the release of Return of the Jedi.  It features some interesting commentary on the quality of the film and the evolution of the saga as it was seen at the time of release.  It also features some interesting comments from Anthony Daniels and Mark Hamill on some difficulties they had with the roles they were given by Lucas.  And while all of that content is great fun, it is the one comment from Hamill towards the end that stands out the most in light of the release of The Force Awakens.  George Lucas wanted Luke Skywalker to be a father in the sequel trilogy.

 

This isn’t a hugely shocking revelation, but it is interesting to hear from someone as in the know as Hamill would have been at that time.  Many years before Lucas ever dreamed up the commitments of the prequel era Jedi Order, and well before anyone knew that the sequel trilogy would occur about 15 years later than planned, Lucas intended to show Luke as the father figure, coming full circle from his redemptive role as the son of Anakin.  One of the more popular theories of Rey’s parentage has been that she could be the daughter of Luke, either left in hiding by Luke before he ran off to Ahch-to or possibly believed dead after the slaughter of Luke’s Jedi Academy (could that be her grave Luke stands in front of in the last shot of The Force Awakens?).

 

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The Rey as Luke’s daughter theories make quite a bit of thematic sense to the apparent direction of the trilogy, but have met some resistance due to the Jedi code or other issues.  But, if Lucas himself was considering this direction, it would seem to lend more credence to that possibility.

But there is also another possibility. Many fans think that Rey being Luke’s daughter is too obvious, especially given that the creators of VIII and IX seem to be treating it as a mystery. If she was Luke’s daughter, that wouldn’t really be much of a mystery or a revelation. Pretty much everyone walked out of their first viewing of TFA thinking that Rey was probably Luke’s daughter. Of course Rey not being Luke’s daughter doesn’t mean that Luke can’t be a father to someone else in the sequel trilogy, right? So think about this for a while as well.

 

We don’t know how much of Lucas’ original vision remains within the movies as we see them now.  How much of Lucas’s treatments are still intact, has been quite the topic of debate recently in light of Lucas’s 60 minutes interview.  But we do know one thing.  George still wants to know what happened to Darth Vader’s grandchildren (plural).  He said so, right here…

 

 

 

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166 thoughts on “George Lucas’ Initial Plan for Luke Skywalker in the Sequel Trilogy!

  • January 13, 2016 at 7:38 pm
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    She isn’t Luke’s daughter. They are ending the Skywalker saga in this trilogy.

    • January 13, 2016 at 7:46 pm
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      Kylo Ren is already a Skywalker.

      • January 14, 2016 at 2:57 am
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        Yes and he will be the last Skywalker.

    • January 13, 2016 at 7:49 pm
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      Sorry, but there’s not a chance that they are ending the Skywalker saga.

      Nada. As in zero per cent.

      • January 13, 2016 at 7:54 pm
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        Agreed,12 films in total I bet.

        • January 13, 2016 at 7:59 pm
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          I don’t think it’ll end at 12.

          • January 13, 2016 at 8:01 pm
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            I’ll take a million SW movies,but I hope they finish the saga ones before I die. Then remake the lot.

          • January 13, 2016 at 8:09 pm
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            I’m sorry, friend. Barring some global catastrophe, I doubt we’ll see the end of the saga films. If they could successfully bring back the old cast 30 years later, what do you think they’ll do with the new? And the generation after them?

          • January 13, 2016 at 8:42 pm
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            They’ll never finish anything before we die. Goes for all forms of entertainment.

      • January 14, 2016 at 2:57 am
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        It’s 100 percent done. They will continue making SW movies but not based on the Skywalkers. They wanted to move away before but they needed the old gang to sell the new movie.

  • January 13, 2016 at 7:40 pm
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    I really hope that George lets us know what his original story line for the sequel trilogy was. Not that I think that it would necessarily be better or worse than what we are getting, I am just curious to see where George wanted to take the series.

    • January 13, 2016 at 7:58 pm
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      I hope that after TFA that the story follows GL’s outline. It really peed me off that they ignored his ideas.

      • January 13, 2016 at 10:28 pm
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        Probably because they were terrible. i don’t know for sure, but if the prequels were any indication, they totally were.

        • January 13, 2016 at 11:37 pm
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          It would have had no plot or focus, and lucas would have completed a first draft of the script a couple of weeks before filming. Lucas would have done the same we’ll fix it post mentality. Revenge of the sith was the last movie he ever did that was enjoyable. He has been pumping out half assed garbage as of late

    • January 13, 2016 at 10:28 pm
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      The First Order would hold Imperial debates for hours on end about whether or not they should build Starkiller, until 9 year-old Rey walks in,

      “Now THIS is scavenging!”

      • January 13, 2016 at 10:41 pm
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        I do hope that this time they get into the economic debate, a cost / benefit analysis of building a doomsday weapon within a planet. I really think the bean counting is what was missing from Episode I. ;-b

      • January 14, 2016 at 1:22 am
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        George said himself in an interview that it´s about kids in their 20s

        • January 15, 2016 at 1:28 pm
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          George’s outline for 7 featured 2 kids in their teens.

      • January 14, 2016 at 2:31 am
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        You’ve got the wrong guy here. It wasn’t Lucas who ripped off one of his previous episodes in TFA.

    • January 14, 2016 at 1:21 am
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      If he sold it to Disney, is he even allowed to reveal his vision of the new trilogy?

  • January 13, 2016 at 7:41 pm
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    And the big reveal in The First Order Strikes Back:

    “No, Rey, I am your father”

    Get ready to have what’s left of your love of the OT die when Ep 8 comes out!

    • January 13, 2016 at 8:00 pm
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      I am your brother.
      Dun dun dunnnnnnnnn.

  • January 13, 2016 at 7:45 pm
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    Luke is still dressed like a jedi. I think he followed the code for his father felt to the dark side because of this. Rey’s been on Jakku for a long time, before the slaughter in his academy and it would have been terrible parenting for Luke to leave her alone on a desert planet for she had to scavenge to eat. She’s not protected, worst than Anakin with Watto, for Anakin was with his mother.

    • January 13, 2016 at 8:16 pm
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      When you’re being hunted down by a dark-side psychopath, I think the normal rules of parenting go out the window.

      • January 14, 2016 at 2:33 am
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        True. But one would think there’s a gazillion better options to hide and protect your kid in the GFFA than dumping her with the likes of Unkar Plutt on a place like Jakku.

  • January 13, 2016 at 7:49 pm
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    I still want her to be Luke’s, I don’t care how obvious it is. I want one good Skywalker in the Saga about the Skywalkers.

    • January 13, 2016 at 7:59 pm
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      Kylo Ren is a Skywalker already.

        • January 15, 2016 at 3:04 pm
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          He’s not totally evil, either. That’s why Snoke picked him. He’s all about the balance of the light side and the dark.

      • January 14, 2016 at 1:20 am
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        Ben Solo?

        • January 14, 2016 at 12:52 pm
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          Anakin Skywalker’s grandson?

  • January 13, 2016 at 7:52 pm
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    Rey is Leia’s daughter,I think Luke mind wiped both Rey and Han,why else would the falcon be on Jakku? Leia hugging Rey at the end,she’s ‘never even seen her before’ right? Luke and Leia are in on it,shes Kylo’s younger sister and the more powerful of the two.

    • January 13, 2016 at 7:58 pm
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      Leia doesn’t seem to really care about ‘the girl” being kidnapped by her son. She only talk about Kylo Ren to Solo. Bring him back. Not a word about Rey.

      • January 13, 2016 at 8:00 pm
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        Cover?

      • January 13, 2016 at 10:28 pm
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        That’s because she doesn’t know who Rey is. Everyone thinks she’s dead. and haven’t seen her for 15 years since she was a little kid. makes sense no one would regognizer her. Also when they are hugging at the end the music is the Han and Leia Love Theme. So….

        • January 14, 2016 at 2:35 am
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          …so it would make sense for smart people like Han & Leia to find out how this mysterious girl from Jakku appeared from out of nowhere. Especially Leia after Rey’s rescue, since I don’t think the number of Force-sensitive, 19/20-yr. old girls is too high on Jakku.

          Not saying Rey is Leia’s daughter. I don’t buy that for a second. I’m just saying that it makes sense for her to find out more about the girl given her overall makeup.

          • January 14, 2016 at 6:22 pm
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            You’re expecting Star Wars to make sense???

          • January 14, 2016 at 6:55 pm
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            No. But I don’t expect Star Wars to drop down to idiotic IQ levels either.

          • January 15, 2016 at 1:25 pm
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            Just out of nappies Anakin Skywalker flew a Naboo starfighter and accidentally blew-up a battle station with it.

          • January 15, 2016 at 6:19 pm
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            Yeah, he did. But by that point I already knew that Anakin was an exceptional character, capable of piloting vessels that human beings weren’t even supposed to touch (podracers), let alone at age 8 or 9.

            After doing that it wasn’t so hard to believe that he could fly a starfighter (with plenty of difficulty at first, too). And when he blew up the Trade Federation’s droid control ship, to me this was Lucas showing us how the will of the Force was acting through the kid.

            Was this the most brilliant of ways to illustrate Anakin’s potential? Probably not. But I have no problems with it, because by that point Lucas had already established that Anakin was the Chosen One. So it makes sense to think that a different set of rules would apply to the kid.

          • January 15, 2016 at 6:31 pm
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            I’ll take the botched pseudo-mystery of Rey over the ludicrous Darth Jesus.

          • January 15, 2016 at 8:28 pm
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            Fair enough. To me, neither Rey’s Mary Sue-ness nor “Little” Ani’s Marty Stu-ness work all that well. But at least Lucas didn’t turn Anakin into a sudden ace pilot in TPM’s final act, with no previous explanation whatsoever.

  • January 13, 2016 at 8:10 pm
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    Luke and Rey in Ep VIII

    “Rey, I’m your father”
    “HEEEEELL YEAAAAAAAAAAAAH”

    • January 13, 2016 at 9:20 pm
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      There is also this to consider: Disney would probably like to be able to continue the “Skywalker family saga” ad inifinitum, for generations to come. For this reason alone, a Skywalker must be available to have children later. Even if Kylo Ren is ultimately redeemed, it will probably only be to die shortly afterwards, just like Anakin. I don’t think audiences would accept the murderer of Han Solo as a new “hero” (who then even goes on to father the next generation of Skywalkers).

      Unless there are other children we haven’t heard about yet, it seems that Rey is the only character that can potentially carry on the Skywalker like — provided she is, indeed, the daughter of Luke or less likely Han/Leia.

      • January 14, 2016 at 3:14 am
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        in 2014 i remember i ve seen spoilers of TFA from john williams list songs. One part was called “The Decapitation of Ben Skywalker”. Kylo Ren is going to die in 9 for sure.

        • January 15, 2016 at 12:14 am
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          They haven’t written 9 yet, bro.

          • January 16, 2016 at 12:13 am
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            yeah and it”s only my opinion. but he has already got a scar that crosses his face. it’s a sign lol. he will loses his head. haha. after all he killed Han Solo to accomplish his journey to the Dark Side. i m afraid there is no redemption for him. though i love his character

  • January 13, 2016 at 8:14 pm
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    “Luke, the Force runs strong in your family. Pass on what you have learned, Luke.”
    Go back and re-watch Yoda’s death scene, he’s pleading with Luke to have children of his own.

    • January 13, 2016 at 8:20 pm
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      The whole PT “Jedi can’t have families and love” thing is completely idiotic and Lucasfilm (sans-Lucas) knows that, so I’m pretty sure it’ll be scrapped for the new trilogy.

      • January 13, 2016 at 8:33 pm
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        It’s not just a Jedi thing it has basis on real world groups, such as Monks and the like. But perhaps Luke no longer lives by the old Jedi code.

        • January 14, 2016 at 2:40 am
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          Everything seems to indicate that he does stick to the code, at least loosely. He’s become a loner, just like Obi-Wan and Yoda, he’s wearing traditional Jedi robes (which is a powerful symbol of acceptance) and he’s had plenty of time to learn a lot about the old Jedi Order.

      • January 13, 2016 at 8:34 pm
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        1. The whole attachment thing can actually be traced back to the OT (Yoda spoke a lot about being careful about attachment and the dangers about that). Did you forget that, or did you conveniently leave this detail out?

        2. (And this ties with the 1st point) There are story reasons why the PT Jedi had the rules that they did. This is why Yoda spoke about being cautious on matters of attachment and whatnot (it’s all connected).

        3. You’re assuming things (and perhaps trying to “read between the lines” when there’s probably nothing to read into at all) without really knowing the facts. Let’s wait till the entire trilogy is laid out story-wise before we assuming things.

        4. It’s all canon, with ties being made not just in the movies, but in other materials such as Rebels and whatnot.

        • January 13, 2016 at 8:49 pm
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          Perhaps the old Jedi code is flawed and is the reason the dark side has prevailed?

          • January 13, 2016 at 10:46 pm
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            Exactly. When looking carefully at how the Jedi were like in the PT, they were essentially showing us how some of the dogmatic teachings that the Jedi Order practiced eventually contributed to their downfall, to the point that they were able to be wiped out and left in the condition as described in the OT, “all but extinct” (that and how they got themselves involved in the Clone Wars to the point where they became militarized).

        • January 13, 2016 at 8:51 pm
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          Not becoming too attached to the material world is one thing. Prohibiting having families is another entirely. For a group that is supposed to be guardians of peace and justice, it seems odd that they aren’t supposed to feel love for those they serve. Monks and the like in the real world become isolated from the world. That’s the whole point. Nuns and others however give up sexual love, but not platonic love, because they are expected to serve their fellow man. It was just lazy writing by Lucas to explain Anakin’s fall to the dark side. Forbidden love is easy to write, but there are much better ways to explain it that actually make sense and allow the audience to connect with the characters more. And just because something is canon does not mean it will be further pursued as a story element. (see Jar Jar Binks, midichlorians, etc.)

          • January 13, 2016 at 10:59 pm
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            1. Perhaps you should study things further rather than using your biased views and your own personal preference of how things “should have been” (as it’s easy to just be an armchair filmmaker and critique rather than 1. realize that it’s not your story and 2. coming up with your own story of similar idea) and quickly dismissing things as “lazy” (and no, it didn’t fall flat for me).

            2. Who said the Jedi didn’t care about the individuals of the galaxy as a whole? It’s not so much as “love” but rather caring for individuals. Maybe you should watch TCW for examples of this.

            3. SW is essentially fantasy. One can’t try and apply real-world logic 100% of the time because we’re talking about the GFFA. One can’t say about how “falling to the dark side should look like” because it essentially is something nonexistent in the real world because again, the Force in a SW sense is not real (we’re talking about fiction here), it’s something that we can’t use a real-world example of since it’s fantasy. Now you can try relating it to something in the real world (after all, good people have the potential to do bad stuff) but again, the fantasy aspect of SW trumps over everything else and we fans don’t have the right to make the rules and steps on how a Force user in SW falling to the dark side is “suppose to look like”.

            3. I didn’t say anything about pursuing old ideas for future movies.

            4. To each their own I suppose.

          • January 15, 2016 at 1:17 pm
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            Fantasy works best when it’s working in relatable situations and consequences not when it’s overly esoteric; falling to the dark side and killing kids because he thinks his wife will die is not dramatically convincing. It also makes Anakin less of a fallen hero and far less tragic. He ends up as just some selfish, backward asshole and the Jedi idiots.

          • January 14, 2016 at 3:42 am
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            Two words for you, kid: Knights Templar. One of Lucas’ main sources of inspiration for the Jedi Order. Google them.

      • January 13, 2016 at 8:47 pm
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        I think as well that it will be scrapped, but not because it’s a bad idea, but because in “Return of the Jedi” Vader redeems himself through the love and caring of his son. So, I think Luke will rewrite the code that love and caring are a good thing sometimes and can keep someone on the light side of the Force.

      • January 13, 2016 at 8:49 pm
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        Doesn’t the canon have certain exemptions to the rule. I’m sure one of the Jedi Masters are allowed due to customs.

        • January 13, 2016 at 10:25 pm
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          Ki-adi-mundi had two brains that allowed to him to become in tune with the force, and stable enough to have a wife.

          • January 14, 2016 at 7:06 pm
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            more than 1 at that lol

      • January 13, 2016 at 8:50 pm
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        That crap was added merely for plot reasons. So Anakin and Padme’s love would be a forbidden fruit or something bullshit like that.

      • January 13, 2016 at 10:59 pm
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        We have Monks in the real world I guess it was meant to be like that

      • January 13, 2016 at 11:21 pm
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        We knew the Jedi were doomed to failure going into the PT. Having their rigid rules be a possible contributing factor to this was a nice touch IMO. If they had been more open minded then maybe they would have seen the plot right in front of their faces. That’s pretty smart writing, I think. Cut Lucas some slack.

        • January 14, 2016 at 3:38 am
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          I’d say: Love and personal bonding=good. Obsessive attachment=bad. This plays right in the saga’s overall concept of balance, IMO. But all in all, great comment.

          • January 14, 2016 at 4:01 am
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            Agreed, and strict abstinence isn’t exactly true balance either. It’s just another type of extreme. I think that’s what Lucas what sort of hinting at.

          • January 14, 2016 at 4:21 am
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            Definitely. Plus the real tragedy of the Jedi, IMO, is that they became so attached to their own code that in the end, they fell prey to the very thing the were preaching against. And I think Lucas was also perfectly aware of this.

      • January 14, 2016 at 2:43 am
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        Hmm, idiotic, yes. This is why so many knightly orders in real life and fantasy both demanded vows of chastity, poverty, loyalty, etc. from their members for CENTURIES.

      • January 14, 2016 at 3:04 am
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        You failed in bashing the Prequels i guess

  • January 13, 2016 at 8:36 pm
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    I don’t think the Jedi Code argument is a big problem, because either Luke wasn’t aware that Jedi weren’t allowed to have those attachments (I doubt it was a priority for Obi Wan or Yoda to discuss) OR he didn’t believe that the “No Attachments Clause” was important to continue. Some could argue that it’s the reason for the fall of the Jedi… on one hand, it’s why Anakin turned against them. But if he didn’t have to hide it, he could easily have consulted Yoda and Obi Wan about his nightmares and wouldn’t have had to turn to Palpatine for help.

    • January 13, 2016 at 9:31 pm
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      Right. When you’re the last Jedi, who’s to stop you from changing the rules?

    • January 13, 2016 at 10:58 pm
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      They all had fleshlights shaped like lightsabres

  • January 13, 2016 at 8:40 pm
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    My (wrong) theory: She is either Luke’s or Han and Leia’s daughter. She was also training under Luke (hence why she is strong with the force) When Kylo killed all of Luke’s students, he didn’t have the heart to kill his sibling/cousin since he was still struggling with the lightside. So he left her on Jakku. Since it’s shown that Rey is being left in the (care?) of Unkarr Plott, who isn’t the nicest person in the world, especially since she has to scavenge to live and eat only quarter portions of food. Luke/Han Leia wouldn’t do that. Luke was left in the capable hands of Owen and Baru, while it wasn’t the life he envisioned, it was a quiet safe life, not one of struggle and danger like Rey.

    • January 13, 2016 at 8:47 pm
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      I like this idea. It also explains why Kylo reacts so violently when he chokes the officer and says “What girl?”

    • January 13, 2016 at 9:02 pm
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      This sounds reasonable.

    • January 14, 2016 at 3:01 am
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      you have dig out something

  • January 13, 2016 at 9:25 pm
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    that disney infinity line? why did it get ignored?

    • January 13, 2016 at 10:06 pm
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      Because he was saying “Curses!”.

  • January 13, 2016 at 9:26 pm
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    I’ll put my two cents worth in. My theory is as follows: Rey’s mother could have been one of Luke’s apprentices or a close ally of some kind, maybe even his wife. She died at the hands of the Knights of Ren. Luke blames himself for her death. To me, the look on Luke’s face when he sees Rey is pure guilt. Seeing Rey again has brought back memories of the loss.
    He no doubt placed Rey on Jakku with the intention of keeping her as far away from himself and the Jedi way as possible. It seems likely that Luke sees himself as a failure as a teacher, father and brother. He has isolated himself from everyone and suffers from overwelming self doubt.
    Episode VIII could be the beginning of Luke’s redemption through his daughter who can reach him like no one else could. Through teaching her he begins to realise that perhaps he can do some good again. He may finally acknowledge to himself that what happened wasn’t his fault.

    • January 13, 2016 at 10:11 pm
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      This is the best theory, I think. It brings Luke’s character arc to a new level, so that the redemption he gave to his father is given to him in a much different way by his daughter.

      • January 14, 2016 at 9:39 am
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        it also answers the question, who is luke skywalker now.

    • January 14, 2016 at 12:45 am
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      But Maz says to Rey, “The person you are waiting for is never coming back, but you can still bring back another(Luke)”. I don’t think Luke left her on the planet at all.

      • January 14, 2016 at 1:11 am
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        What if the one who left her on Jakku was her mother, and the new adventures would be the search of missis Skywalker…

      • January 14, 2016 at 5:07 am
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        Another way you could wriggle your way out of this senario would have Luke adopt-out Rey and the adoptive parent(s) leave her on Jakku.

    • January 14, 2016 at 4:50 am
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      But why would Luke, who is suppose to be the best person, who has risked his life to save his family, would leave his daughter in the hands of someone as awful as Unkarr Plott and have a difficult lonely life for her? At least when he was abandoned as a child he was left in the care of people who cared about him. It wasn’t the life that Luke dreamed of but at least he was safe and secure.

  • January 13, 2016 at 9:30 pm
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    LastOfTheDeji dillene • 3 hours ago
    Its not that they’re the only family in the galaxy with force powers. I think they’re just the most important family when it comes to bringing balance to force. Considering that I highly doubt they’re going to just let the prophecy of the chosen one be reduced to “Anakin brought balance by killing the main bad guy but WAIT that was just a small evil, there’s something way bigger”, I think they’re reinterpreting it because even Yoda mentioned in episode ii that the prophecy could have been misinterpreted. Considering Anakin is a virgin birth of the force, I’m starting to think its fair to say that he is indeed the chosen one, but we’re not fully understanding what it means to bring balance to the Force. It seems in the SW Universe the Force is similar to one of the natural forces in the universe (strong nuclear bonding force, electromagnetism, etc we have four in our universe), as such it predates the Jedi, Sith, and anyone who would choose to use a specific side of it for good or evil. I think the birth of Anakin was so that he would create a family of powerful Force users and that THEIR family line would be destined to always bring balance back to the force when things got out of hand. That way it would work in context of this new series. In the prequels the Jedi/Light side was too strong so Anakin tipped it toward the dark side, in the OT the Sith/Dark side was too strong and thanks in part to another Skywalker (Luke) he was able to tip it back to a more even playing scale. And in the new trilogy the dark side has come back under a different name and it will have to be balanced by the next in the Skywalker line.
    With that in mind, Rey doesn’t necessarily have to be a Skywalker to have balance be brought back to the Force by the end of this trilogy. She just has to be the catalyst for Ben Skywalker to make an action whether intentionally or unintentionally aware of the consequences that results in things coming back into order.
    tldr – Anakin was conceived by the force as the chosen one to bring balance meaning its not just the actions aboard the 2nd death star, but the fact that the force wanted him to be the one that creates an ongoing family so that the skywalker line exists to bring balance back to the force whenever things get out of hand.

  • January 13, 2016 at 10:12 pm
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    Rey is Ben Solo’s sister, she is like Jaina Solo from EU. Luke is her uncle

    • January 14, 2016 at 12:52 am
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      Yes. I’m torn over whether she’s a Skywalker or a Solo….. but Leia’s interactions at the end of TFA with Rey [and the supposedly legitimate script sent to the awards judges recently] implies she’s a Solo. Oh, and I wasn’t sure if the music cue is Leia’s Theme then, too ??

  • January 13, 2016 at 10:32 pm
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    I hope it’s this:

    Kylo turned evil and killed his fellow Jedi apprentices, except for Rey. He couldn’t bare to kill her. So, he wiped her memory and dumped her on Jakku. Everyone, including Luke, thought Ben had killed her. Distraught, Luke went to the first Jedi temple (possible to attempt to reconnect with Rey’s spirit), and built Rey (or possibly Kira) a grave.

    • January 14, 2016 at 2:33 am
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      There’s no evidence that you can simply wipe someone’s memory in Star Wars. Rey is not a droid.

      Besides, Rey clearly does remember her family leaving her as a child. If Luke or Kylo or anyone from SW7 were her family, she would have recognized them.

      • January 14, 2016 at 3:00 am
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        There was also no evidence that you could freeze someone in place or read their mind. they’ll make up some new Force powers, obviously.

        No, because he would’ve wiped her memory. Obviously.

        • January 14, 2016 at 1:25 pm
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          Nonsense. A “force memory wipe” is completely unlike the more limited abilities the force confers. Imagine what battles would be like if force users could just erase someone’s entire memory with a wave of the hand.

          • January 14, 2016 at 5:29 pm
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            I dunno, the Emperor fooled thousands of Jedi that he was living right next to and a group of ‘masters’ that he interacted with everyday.

          • January 14, 2016 at 7:20 pm
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            Is that because he very cleverly used others as pawns and didn’t use the force that much until in a position to take power.

          • January 15, 2016 at 12:12 am
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            Also the whole “Dark Side” of the Force had grown so malevolent and strong, tipping the balance its way, the Jedi were no longer able to use it to sense more ambiguous dangers.

    • January 14, 2016 at 2:58 am
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      There’s NO way Luke could’ve thought that his daughter was killed if he didn’t feel Rey’s death. The films have proven, time and again, that Force-sensitives can feel the death of their loved ones, even if the other party’s not Force-sensitive and if they’re far away (see Leia’s reaction to Han’s death.)

      • January 14, 2016 at 3:00 am
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        Meh. They can get around that somehow. I’m not saying I believe that this is what happened, I’m just saying it would be cool.

        • January 14, 2016 at 3:06 am
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          If they did got around that, it would make for terrible storytelling, even worse than fan-fiction written by a 15-yr. old, lol. This is not how good stories are told, doing stuff on a whim that contradicts the rules set in stone for your fictional universe, time and again.

          • January 14, 2016 at 3:09 am
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            Good thing I’m not writing the movie.

          • January 14, 2016 at 3:34 am
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            Well, if writing was easy, everyone would be doing it, I guess.

            I just didn’t see any signs of recognition in Kylo after he found out how strong the Force is in Rey. If anything, he was shocked. And I don’t think he would’ve run to tell Snoke about the girl, if he did spare her life back at Luke’s Temple and dumped her off on Jakku.

          • January 15, 2016 at 3:20 am
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            “It is you”
            “I feel it too”

      • January 14, 2016 at 6:53 pm
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        thats not completely true darth vader didnt realize he had a son and a daughter till empire strikes back and return of the jedi a good 20-23 years after he thought they were dead along with padme. and he couldnt sense obi wan was still alive till he boarded the death star and this was after vader’s star destroyer was sitting above taatoine

        • January 14, 2016 at 7:17 pm
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          That could because the Dark side clouds judgement in sensing life though, something more linked with the Light side of the force.

        • January 14, 2016 at 7:42 pm
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          Vader didn’t know his children from birth. He had no chance to get attached to them and moreover, given the devastating loss that he suffered, it makes sense to think that he completely shut himself out emotionally. That’s a totally different scenario to Luke raising and getting to love his daughter for 5, 6, 7 years, assuming Rey is his indeed.

          Vader didn’t feel Obi-Wan’s presence till he came aboard the Death Star, true, but Obi-Wan wasn’t dying when Vader’s Star Destroyer was orbiting Tatooine. Ditto for Luke and Leia; neither one of them has died yet. Please note that this is what I was talking about: a Force-sensitive’s ability to sense the death of a person close to them, the way Leia felt Han’s death or Yoda Order 66.

  • January 13, 2016 at 10:50 pm
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    Occam’s Razor says that between multiple explanations, the simplest one is usually the most correct one.

    My money’s on her being Luke’s daughter, since that is the least convoluted explanation. Think about it, if she was related to Han/Leia, there would have been some recognition from either of them in Episode 7, which there wasn’t. Luke was on his own, training the Jedi, so it isn’t inconceivable if he had any offspring that his friends wouldn’t know anything about it. The only thing remaining is – who is the Mother?

    If they go this route with the storyline, it will probably be confirmed fairly early on in Episode 8 as she is training with Luke. We may or may not find out about her Mom until later. YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!

  • January 13, 2016 at 10:57 pm
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    I think having Rey be Obi-Wan’s granddaughter makes the most sense in terms of keeping a secret and Rey’s vision. Obi-Wan was the one calling her name and saying these are her first steps.

    • January 14, 2016 at 9:44 pm
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      Obi-Wan also said this to Luke, but of course, it’s possible. Although I tend more to the Luke-daughter-theory. Curious how it will turn out 🙂

  • January 14, 2016 at 12:06 am
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    “An Jedi’s like the punchline”

    So Mark Hamill admits that Return of the Jedi was a joke?

    • January 14, 2016 at 12:29 am
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      Mark is not saying Jedi’s a joke.
      He’s comparing it to the *structure* of a joke.
      “Setup and payoff” are other terms for pretty much the same thing.

      • January 14, 2016 at 12:58 am
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        My comment was a joke.

        • January 14, 2016 at 1:37 am
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          So was Attack of the Clones.

          • January 14, 2016 at 2:58 am
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            Burn…

        • January 14, 2016 at 4:08 am
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          “So Mark Hamill admits” reads pretty serious to me. 🙂

          • January 15, 2016 at 3:19 am
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            oops.

  • January 14, 2016 at 12:09 am
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    Atch-to. What the heck is up with that name? I hope no one tries to say it in VIII or IX unless another character responds with “Gesundheid!”

  • January 14, 2016 at 12:37 am
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    The outlines that Lucas wrote for the ST that he sold to Disney might not be based on the same (possibly very vague) ideas he had in the ’80s.

  • January 14, 2016 at 12:38 am
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    I think originally Rey found Luke earlier in the script so it wasn’t intended to be a mystery. But in the version filed she doesn’t find him until the end so they didn’t have time to address the father/daughter thing.
    Everything works so much better with her as his daughter, from her interactions with Han to even going and finding Luke. I mean who cares if some random girl finds him. Plus, they are clearly playing with the idea of Vader’s grandkids – one representing light, the other representing dark – fighting against each other.
    I think the bigger question isn’t if Rey is Luke’s daughter, it’s how did she get separated from him and does he know she is still alive? If not, how will he find out?

    • January 14, 2016 at 7:16 pm
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      She was pulled away when Kylo turned on Luke. They had to smuggle her because she was the only survivor from the Knights of Ren perhaps.

  • January 14, 2016 at 12:47 am
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    Can’t wait to read George’s script for Episode VII – It’ll be hilariously awful!

    • January 14, 2016 at 3:54 am
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      Language might be, but I bet the story is spot on perfect.

      • January 14, 2016 at 4:38 am
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        A-yup. Guaranteed that no matter how stilted the dialogue inevitably is (and, oh, you KNOW it’s bad), it’s far more thematically complex, and a better structured story than what Disney is interested in doing.

        • January 15, 2016 at 12:10 am
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          Aw. Snark loves you. Again. You have the internet AIDs. Try to wash that off.

          What you said makes little sense. Stilted dialogue that we know is bad, yet the film is more thematically complex…

          I’m sorry. Could you pull out the thematically complex elements that were in the prequel trilogy for me? Shit, even the OT, because those movies weren’t all that artistically brilliant either.

      • January 15, 2016 at 6:25 am
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        What gives you that idea? The prequels had far from perfect stories.

        • January 22, 2016 at 4:12 am
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          What was wrong with the stories? I know the delivery was off, but the story and mythology was terrific.

  • January 14, 2016 at 1:01 am
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    Off topic: I’m not saying that it will happen but the likeliness of Anthony Ingruber being cast as Han Solo isn’t out of the realm of possibilities, Kathleen Kennedy is a smart person and kind of like the Boba Fett fiasco I’m positive they might listen to fans, after all they have started a new universe and happy fans mean more business

    • January 16, 2016 at 11:39 am
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      He went back and forth on that a lot over the years.

  • January 14, 2016 at 1:20 am
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    Don’t care, as long as Gugu Mbatha-Raw’s character is Thane and Ciena’s daughter.

    • January 14, 2016 at 2:54 am
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      YESSSSS!!!!

    • January 14, 2016 at 3:20 am
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      She HAS to be in Star Wars. I don’t care if shes Jabba’s daughter. Get Gugu in.

    • January 14, 2016 at 4:08 pm
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      Makes too much sense for her not too be, especially since they have given Claudia Grey so much responsibility building the new universe on the literary side.

  • January 14, 2016 at 2:32 am
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    I suspect that if Luke did have a child, it was the boy being killed by Ren in Rey’s vision.

  • January 14, 2016 at 3:33 am
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    As a millenial, it’s easy to forget that Star Wars was made in the early 80’s, I almost never think of Star Wars in terms of how people saw it when it was brand new.
    This video is an interesting time-capsule, helps remind me “Wait a minute, this was made back when MTV was still cool, when people still used VHS, heck, this was before friggin’ Mario headlined a game.
    Nowadays, we can nit-pick about graphics and acting and furry dwarves, but watching this; I suddenly remembered why Star Wars was such a big deal as it was.

    • January 14, 2016 at 12:16 pm
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      Mario was in Donkey Kong and Donkey Kong junior so he was around before Jedi came out

      • January 14, 2016 at 2:35 pm
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        “Headline”, as in starring in a game where you are the titular character. Also he was Jump-man at the time.

    • January 14, 2016 at 3:37 pm
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      Heh, you’re half right but of course it goes even further back than that video – SW was made in the mid-70s, which was before most of us even had VCRs, and Empire was released before MTV even existed!

  • January 14, 2016 at 4:26 am
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    I’m left wondering what story Lucas had offered up that was rejected. It had to be better than this because I’m guessing it didn’t involve a third deathstar and Jek Tono Porkins’s doplleganger’s son as a character.

    This was always far more the callous tapping of a cash-cow than it was the creation of art through great writing and filmmaking and as a True Blue-milk Star Wars fan, I’m incredibly disappointed. You came back from the grocery store with green-milk, Mickey, and that wasn’t the flavor I asked for. Green-milk tastes like $h$t, its like non-fat but even worse. THIS WAS STAR WARS!!!!!!

    http://stereoembersmagazine.com/star-wars-episode-vii-force-disney-corporate-greed-awakens/

    • January 15, 2016 at 12:08 am
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      Collin. You upvoted yourself.

      You have no idea how hard I’m laughing.

      • January 15, 2016 at 12:14 am
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        Hey dawg, thanks for the kind words, I’m happy to have brought a smile to your face as a fellow Star Wars fan. Us fans of filmmaking and storytelling need to stick together so I definitely appreciate the support and you are welcome for me putting a smile on your face. 🙂 May the force be with you bran

        • January 15, 2016 at 12:15 am
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          And now you upvoted me! I’m going to wet myself.

          • January 15, 2016 at 12:26 am
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            I gave you a second up vote American_Ignorant, make sure you bring plenty of towels! 🙂 May the force BB with you, and again thanks for all the attention! You are too kind and a good Star Wars fan!

        • January 15, 2016 at 6:22 am
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          I just wish you’d been around to tell George the same thing when he was making the prequels – film-making and story-telling.

    • January 16, 2016 at 8:56 pm
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      lol Porkins Jr. the new Wedge Antilles! “Noooooooooo!”

      I think indeed Lucas would have come up with a more mature, intelligent storyline. His problem was rather finding the right people to bring a good execution worthy of the OT. Now they got the best team imaginable, with a questionable screenwriting job…

      Poe abandoned his mission on Jakku coz he fell on his head? Hmmm… Weak.

      And yeah let’s now make a new Super Star Destroyer in episode 8 so we’ll have a new, bigger, badder Starkiller in episode 9.

      Sighs

    • January 15, 2016 at 12:52 am
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      Great video!

  • January 14, 2016 at 6:20 am
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    I bet Lucas’ screenplay was Abysmal.

    Opening crawl~

    After years of oppression from the Empire, the Senate finally gains control over all trade and invests heavily in medical supplies and post-war building contractors.

    Luke Skywalker has a 7 y/o named Anikin jr. who has been learning the ways of the force and has just entered the Boota Eve podrace.

    Han Solo , accompanied by his new sidekick, Jar Jar Binks, has his own Shipping company, transporting food and water from Naboo to Tatooine in hopes to offer the first ever crops to be grown on this desert planet…

    • January 14, 2016 at 8:21 am
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      It wasn’t a screenplay he had written, it was a treatment. Basically, a plot summary.

  • January 14, 2016 at 11:59 am
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    The Rey is Luke’s Daughter theory makes sense in the sense that A) Rey herself joke’s about origin being a mystery when she tells BB-8 it’s a “Big Secret” B) Mas Kanata tells her that her family isn’t return to Jakku and that what Rey is looking for lies ahead of her to which she acknowledges Luke.

    Honestly the only mystery is who her mother is.

  • January 14, 2016 at 12:45 pm
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    oh this is fascinating, how genuinely in love with SW are these people, its not all hype and excitement like we saw in media this time around, more like a true admiration.

    another interesting thing was the mention of people complaining that the only black character in ANH is bad, kinda amazing, that, just based on the voice actor they went on to identify Vader’s ethnicity haha

    to be honest, I still stand by my theory that Rey came to be exactly like Anakin, she is Skywalker in that sense but no Luke’s daughter. that might explain both Snoke’s (provided he’s Plagueis) and Ren’s interest in her.

  • January 14, 2016 at 3:25 pm
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    They filmed some of episode 8 already. The trailer with Luke’s dialogue was not just created for the trailer, it’s from Ep 8. I would not be surprised if the entire scene where Ep 7 ended abruptly, the meeting and discussion between Luke and Rey, was shot and will be inserted into the beginning or a flashback of Ep 8.

    • January 14, 2016 at 4:30 pm
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      The trailer with Luke’s dialogue is from return of the jedi.

      • January 14, 2016 at 6:46 pm
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        he also recoreded more onto it for force awakens not the entire thing was from return of the jedi

        • January 15, 2016 at 3:17 am
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          Yes, yes it was. His voice doesn’t sound like that anymore.

          • January 15, 2016 at 5:47 am
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            Well technically it’s his old recording, but they re-recorded and played it as an echo in the trailer.

            So it’s both old and new.

          • January 15, 2016 at 3:30 pm
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            “re-recorded”? It’s the same line from VI, same recording and everything; ripped straight from the movie.

          • January 16, 2016 at 8:32 am
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            Same recording. But they re-recorded it and played the new recording over the old one (as an echo). But eh it doesn’t really matter, don’t worry about it.

          • January 16, 2016 at 9:06 am
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            Oh, I see what you mean.

    • January 16, 2016 at 8:49 pm
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      There are no flashbacks in SW films… stop with this fanboy crap. What Rey has seen when touching Luke’s saber was a vision, of the past and future.

      Star Wars has always been written in a linear, synchronous way

  • January 14, 2016 at 4:17 pm
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    Rey was left on Jakku before Kylo Ren’s slaughter of the Jedi Academy. Só Luke cannot be standing on Rey’s grave.

  • January 16, 2016 at 8:46 pm
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    Wait… are you crazy!?

    TFA makes it quite clear (although not SAID) that Rey was Leia’s daughter. If her dad’s Luke, then it means she’s the love child of Luke and Leia’s incest love affair (in between ESB and ROTJ).

    So no…. ain’t gonna happen in a Star Wars film! Yikes!!!

    • February 2, 2016 at 8:28 am
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      I know we didn’t get to see them much, but there are other women in the Galaxy besides Leia.

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