Rian Johnson on Setting Up Episode IX, Plans for His New Star Wars Trilogy, Mark Hamill’s Mo-Cap Role, and More

The Last Jedi writer/director Rian Johnson recently took a moment to sit down with Wired to answer some of their questions about his cooperation with J.J. Abrams in setting up the final chapter of the Sequel Trilogy. He also talked briefly about his hopes for the new Star Wars trilogy he’ll be helming, the importance of humor in The Last Jedi, and a little bit about how a couple of characters were brought to life on screen (confirming Mark Hamill’s second credited role in the movie in the process).

 

Warning: Spoilers for The Last Jedi ahead…

 

 

From Wired:

 

On J.J. Abrams and Episode IX:

With The Last Jedi, you’re in the Empire Strikes Back part of the trilogy. You have to pick up where The Force Awakens left off and set up the next one. What’s the process?

Johnson: It’s very much a baton handoff, it’s a relay race. From VII to VIII and now VIII to IX, we sit down and have a conversation. From VII to VIII it was mostly me asking J.J. Abrams about The Force Awakens and the choices in it. What do you think this meant? What do you think that meant? Getting all the information I can out of him. But from there it’s a clean hand-off, and I think it’s something that’s very important in the storytelling in these movies, I had a free hand to take it where I wanted to take it and make choices about what I thought was going to be best for the dramatic situations and where the story went. The same thing from VIII to IX, and actually I couldn’t give you spoilers if I wanted to. J.J. and Chris Terrio are off writing IX right now and we had a conversation where I just kind of gave them a download of where I left things and the potential that I saw, but the truth is they’re picking it up and they’re going to tell their story and I just get to be an audience member now, to see how they bring it home.

 

It’s almost like Exquisite Corpse.

Johnson: Yeah. It’s a bit like that. J.J. was obviously conscious of setting up the possibilities of what could happen in VIII just the way that with the end of VIII I was interested in leaving it with very exciting potential.

 

 

On the new trilogy:

So, what can we expect with your new trilogy? It’s obviously going to be separate from the Skywalker Saga. But where do you see it fitting in with the franchise?

Johnson: Well, I don’t know. That’s kind of the exciting thing about it. My entire pitch to [Lucasfilm president] Kathleen Kennedy and Disney was “Let’s tell a new Star Wars story. Let’s tell one story over three movies, where we go new places and meet new people. It’s a brand new story that feels like a great Star Wars story.” That was the extent of it. I didn’t pitch an idea or a time or anything like that. It was just bright blue sky to tell a new story in, and they were so excited about it. Honestly, I’ve been the rigamarole of releasing this movie so I’m just starting to form clusters of ideas for the trilogy, but really the most exciting thing right now is the potential of it.

 

So is it possible there won’t be any crossover characters?

Johnson: Yep.

 

Is the new trilogy something you could bring other writers or directors in for? I saw a quote from you the other day where you said you’d like to see more women and people of color directing Star Wars movies, is this an opportunity to do that?

Johnson: Hell yes. Yeah, I’m thinking about that, absolutely. I know I’m going to write and direct the first one, I know I’m going to come up with the story for the entire trilogy. Beyond that, I just don’t know yet. We’re still figuring out how this going to go. But all of those things you just listed are very much on my mind right now.

 

 

On The Last Jedi:

Well, and you can tell me if I’m wrong here, but with The Last Jedi it felt like you were trying to push the idea of what a Star Wars movie could be a little bit further.

Johnson: That wasn’t a stated goal, pushing it forward or changing it or something. I just wanted to make a great Star Wars movie. The thing is I wanted to make a great movie also. That means creating drama with these characters, and that’s going to mean throwing tough stuff at them and taking it to new places. I wasn’t coming in thinking, “We gotta freshen this up! How do I evolve this?” That was the last thing on my mind. But I also came in trying to be unafraid of going to some places if that’s what the story ended up requiring.

 

On Mark Hamill’s second credit in TLJ:

Why does Mark Hamill have two credits? Who is Dobbu Scay?

Johnson: It was a mocap performance. He really wanted to try out motion-capture after watching Andy Serkis do it. So, if you remember the little drunk alien toad that tries to use BB-8 as a slot machine, that’s actually a mocap performance by Mark. That was just done in one day in a mocap studio.

 

 

On the Yoda puppet:

Yoda. Was Yoda a puppet or CGI this time?

Johnson: He was 100 percent puppet. We actually recreated the puppet from The Empire Strikes Back. They found original molds, and Frank Oz came out and puppeteered him. It was exactly the way they would’ve done it when they shot Empire.

 

On TLJ humor:

Talk about the humor in the film. Star Wars movies occasionally have funny moments, but this one had quite a few more.

Johnson: As you grow up as a Star Wars fan it’s easy to start leaning into the heavier aspects of it and the badass aspects of it. That’s a big part of what makes it cool, but I’ve always felt that the humor and the sense of fun, the banter between Threepio, Leia, and Han, is almost like it’s from a ‘30s movie. It’s always light on its feet. There’s always a sense of humor to it. So that was really important to me to get into it. Especially in this movie I knew we’d be going into some heavier places and I knew we’d be sitting on an island talking about religion for a big chunk of it, so it was important to me to get humor in there. For instance, with that prank call [between Poe and Hux] it’s meant to establish right up front to let the audience know that we’re going to have fun here. And if you’re not here to have fun in a Star Wars movie you’ve gotta open your mind a little bit because we’re going to have a good time during this movie. Hop onboard.

 

Whether you embrace The Last Jedi as a worthy eighth chapter of the Skywalker saga or not, it’s hard to deny that Rian Johnson has vision. Whether that vision will clash with that of Abrams remains to be seen, but it’s good to know that fans will get the opportunity to see what Johnson can bring when he gets the opportunity to fully express his vision in a unique corner of the Star Wars galaxy.

 

For the full interview go to Wired.

 

 

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Jordan Pate is Co-Lead Editor and Senior Writer for Star Wars News Net, of which he is also a member of the book and comic review team. He loves all things Star Wars, but when he's not spending time in the galaxy far far away, he might be found in our own galaxy hanging out in Gotham City or at 1407 Graymalkin Lane, Salem Center, NY.

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Jordan Pate is Co-Lead Editor and Senior Writer for Star Wars News Net, of which he is also a member of the book and comic review team. He loves all things Star Wars, but when he's not spending time in the galaxy far far away, he might be found in our own galaxy hanging out in Gotham City or at 1407 Graymalkin Lane, Salem Center, NY.

311 thoughts on “Rian Johnson on Setting Up Episode IX, Plans for His New Star Wars Trilogy, Mark Hamill’s Mo-Cap Role, and More

  • December 20, 2017 at 7:15 pm
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    Well despite not being overly keen on TLJ I’m still thrilled at the prospect of a new trilogy seperate from the Saga, even with RJ at the helm. I think he didn’t quite get the expectations and feel of the Saga, from my POV, but he certainly has style and could pul off something like a fresh trilogy focused elsewhere.

    Personally I would have it set in the Republic era, with a young Yoda making a cameo (since he was over 800 years old). Delve into some of the history of that period and maybe the reason for the prophecy or rule of two for the Sith.

    • December 20, 2017 at 7:18 pm
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      He’s already said it won’t be in the Old Republic era. They are going to a “new place in the galaxy”. Which leads me to ask, “Isn’t this just going to be a new sci-fi movie, and you’re going to slap ‘Star Wars’ on it so people will go see it?”
      Personally, after the Last Jedi, I won’t watch any new Star Wars movies. I’ll stick to my blu rays of the OT.

      • December 20, 2017 at 7:24 pm
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        That’s sad to hear and doesn’t make sense. There is so much to explore within that era, that links to the Saga to draw the fans back. Otherwise like you say its a generic sci-fi with the Star Wars logo, what is the point of that.

      • December 20, 2017 at 7:25 pm
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        He was responding to a question which mentioned the original KoTOR game which he said he loved. He said he wasn’t going to re-tell KoTOR, he also didn’t say it wouldn’t be in that era. In fact he hasn’t said where or in what time it will be based.

      • December 20, 2017 at 7:38 pm
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        Adios! Lewis is correct when he says Republic. The period between the Old Republic and the New Republic. Also, Johnson said he’s not making anything based on Knights of the Old Republic. He did not say it won’t take place during that time period.

  • December 20, 2017 at 7:16 pm
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    “I had a free hand to take it where I wanted to take it and make choices about what I thought was going to be best for the dramatic situations and where the story went.”
    Biggest mistake by Disney. There should have been an overall story arch. There usually is. Granted, Lucas changed his a lot, and that happens, but to tell a story, and then let someone uninvolved shuffle it all up, and have someone go back and try to tie it together is why The Last Jedi is the big mess that it is.

    • December 20, 2017 at 7:31 pm
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      It’s not a mess. At no point does the story not make sense. There are some scenes in the middle that feel like they suffered in the editing room but It’s a beautifully layered film with deep messages and weight that manages to surprise the audience despite years of unbridled speculations.

      • December 20, 2017 at 7:40 pm
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        If I read one thing over and over about TLJ then that it’s a “beautiful mess”. In terms of pacing this movie is all over the place at times. It seems like Rey spends days or even weeks with Luke while we simultaneously learn that the Raddus resistance ship has only about 16 or 18 hours of fuel left. The movie makes it seem as if those two storylines were taking part simultaneously. Another thing is how Leia is sucked out into space and apparently the Raddus stops in an isntant (or else it would fly past Leia) and for some reason during this time the Supremacy doesn’t catch up to them at all. It really is a mess, a beautiful one but a mess nevertheless.

        • December 20, 2017 at 8:14 pm
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          I see your point the ship’s fuel limits and Rey being on the island for days. Maybe RJ was going for something along the line of something that was done in Dunkirk. Part of the story took place over one week. Another over one day. And another over one hour. If so, it was translated poorly or lost in the edit. Those plot points do collide. The story would have been served better if the whole fuel running low plot point was just removed.

          • December 20, 2017 at 9:28 pm
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            If he planned something like Dunkrik than he intercut it pretty badly. The focus switches back and fourth between multiple plots and we are used to interpret this as “this is happening simultaneously” unless indicated otherwise.

          • December 20, 2017 at 11:15 pm
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            Goog God man. You could just say “Hey, here’s shit that happened in this movie” and stop racking your brain to come up with reasons to shit on the movie. Maybe Rey was on Ahch-To for 3 days before the First Order arrived at D’Qar. Maybe it was a week. How long was Luke on Dagobah? How long did Han and Leia spend in that astroid? Who freaking cares?!?

          • December 20, 2017 at 11:20 pm
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            I do when you have intercuts of the two storylines, some of which are happening while using forcetime. These are exactly the things that you notice on the long run and cramming a couple of days on Anch-To into 18 hours of getting chased by the Supremacy is pretty weak writing which will bug me whenever I watch this movie.

          • December 20, 2017 at 9:41 pm
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            Maybe, like on Dagobah, time moves differently there,

        • December 20, 2017 at 10:31 pm
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          Bob, it’s called inertia. Just because Leia got sucked out of the ship doesn’t mean the ship or Leia stopped. They both remained in motion. However, if physics is a sticking point for you, you might not want to watch any Star Wars movies at all.

          • December 20, 2017 at 11:09 pm
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            As soon as she got sucked out of the ship she started moving in relation to the raddus. If you throw an object out of the window in a vacuum and zero G environment while your spaceship is moving the object will move away from the spaceship and quite rapidly so if teh spaceship travels fast. Unless the spaceship is a closed system which it is not once the bridge explodes the object Leia stays behin the Raddus once she is sucked out of the ship. I have no problems with sound in space and gravity on board of spaceships but getting sucked out of a moving spaceship and somehow everything freezes and no movement takes place anymore breaks the suspense of disbelief like Indiana Jones fridge scene in Indy 4. Both are prime example sof bad writing.

          • December 20, 2017 at 11:24 pm
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            Alright, Neil deGrasse Tyson. There might be air pressure inside of that force field that you’re leaving out of your equation but whatever. Will you tackle the physics of Middle Earth for us next?

          • December 20, 2017 at 11:38 pm
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            Look this is like jumping out of a train and continue moving next to the train at the same speed all handy dandy. I don’t have to be Neil deGrasse Tyson to see this. But I guess you wouldn’t care if Luke dropped something and I just falls straight into the sky. F*ck physics man it’s just a movie. 18 hours is a week or so, maybe 2 and when you are sucked out of a spaceship you just keep up with the ship at the same speed because fuck that. Why write a believable scene when you can have a chase through space and superman Leia.

          • December 21, 2017 at 3:43 am
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            Except that they’re in a vacuum without any air resistance to slow her down. She would continue along with the ship but look this whole thing is stupid. It was incredibly unrealistic in Revenge of the Sith when Grievous escaped the bridge of the ship and it’s unrealistic here. Star Wars is fantasy.

            I may have been overly critical of your point of view in my responses. Dickish even. I apologize.

          • December 21, 2017 at 4:15 pm
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            That was an unexpected apology 🙂 thanks a lot for it though. Have a great day 🙂

      • December 20, 2017 at 8:07 pm
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        Of course, it makes total sense that Holdo would crash her cruiser at the Supremacy and everybody in there (Rey, Jylo, Hux, Finn, Rose, etc.) would be alive after that. Or that the Resistance fleet would keep a “safe distance” from the FO fleet for hours until they ran out of fuel and that the FO would not have any faster, lighter fighters that could outrun them. Or that Leia could survive more than 1 second in the vacuum of space. Or that Luke could astral project himself across the galaxy.

        • December 20, 2017 at 9:46 pm
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          Yeah but shooting lightning from your fingertips, jumping impossible heights, and moving heavy objects with your mind is ok? Lets not forget the Force impregnated Anakin’s mom. There has always been the need to put aside science, logic, and physics while watching Star Wars. It’s all pure fantasy.

        • December 20, 2017 at 9:54 pm
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          The scenario in which rebels have faster and more maneuverable craft than a much bigger and much more well-armed and -financed military is a classic one from war movies, and from real-life warfare. This is why guerilla tactics can help a tiny, under-resourced force survive and in some cases defeat a much bigger force.

        • December 20, 2017 at 10:26 pm
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          First of all you’re talking about characters that can summon lightning from their fingers and survive death and you’re arguing that they can’t project themselves across the galaxy? Mind blown. Secondly, did you not see the force field bubble created around the Raddus? Not a vacuum. Thirdly, they state that the rebel fleet is too far out and too fast to reach for any ship that the First Order has. FOURTH the Supremacy is HUGE. The Raddus carved out a small path through it. Most of the millions of people on that ship were not in the effected area. Either pay attention next time you see the movie or be fair and make the same nit picky complaints about the original trilogy. It is just as ridiculous as anything in the new trilogy.

    • December 20, 2017 at 9:03 pm
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      I’m sorry do I not recall that not that long ago people were having hissy fit because they thought Kathleen Kennedy was not letting her directors have own creative visions and let them do their thing?

    • December 20, 2017 at 9:40 pm
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      Lucas didn’t have an overall story arc.

      • December 20, 2017 at 10:08 pm
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        According to the post on the concept art he did for 7, 8 & 9.

        “I should absolutely stress that Disney and Lucasfilm ultimately did not use Lucas’s original pitch for a three-movie story arc”

        • December 21, 2017 at 8:54 am
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          He meas that Lucas didn’t have a pre-planned arc for the OT, which is correct.

          • December 21, 2017 at 9:17 pm
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            Yeah I get that and its brought up time and time again. However the original post is referencing the ST and in todays world a big franchise has some structured planning, such as Marvel, so LF should of thought ahead.

          • December 21, 2017 at 9:17 pm
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            Yeah I get that and its brought up time and time again. However the original post is referencing the ST and in todays world a big franchise has some structured planning, such as Marvel, so LF should of thought ahead.

          • December 21, 2017 at 10:57 pm
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            I disagree. It worked for Lucas, it can work again. And I think it has.

          • December 21, 2017 at 11:01 pm
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            Fair enough, at least you put that across in a reasonable way. 🙂

      • December 21, 2017 at 12:32 am
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        You’re right. Lucas didn’t have an overall story arc planned out for the OT, although he would always say he did. He always wanted an overall story arc, but absolutely didn’t have any specifics. Heck, he and Kasdan nearly had Luke put on Vader’s helmet in ROTJ, and Yoda was created only because Obi-Wan was killed prematurely!

        • December 21, 2017 at 1:08 am
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          Right and that’s all I am saying. People don’t seem to be aware that this trilogy is being made pretty much like the last two. That doesn’t mean you have to like it, but at least know your SW history.

  • December 20, 2017 at 7:51 pm
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    Well if this Yoda was molded off the original ESB puppet then something definitely got lost in translation. Because he just didn’t look right at all, and was incredibly weird and goofy looking. Strange that they couldn’t see that.

    • December 20, 2017 at 7:56 pm
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      You are used to fluid facial movements due to CGI and the bad resolution and overall blurryness of TESB hides quite a bit of how simple the Yoda puppet actually is.

    • December 20, 2017 at 8:31 pm
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      What was off? I thought it looked pretty spot on to the old one…

      • December 20, 2017 at 9:08 pm
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        I know RJ has said it’s 100% puppet, but the full body shots of Yoda when we first see him just don’t quite look like the puppet in the close up shots. Can’t put my finger on it. Different lighting or skin texture? Hey, I’m not a Yoda expert but it just doesn’t quite look right.

        • December 20, 2017 at 11:09 pm
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          Maybe when they say 100% they also refer to the lighting and touch ups that go with it. Which is technology that’s over 30 years old mixed into a movie made today.

        • December 21, 2017 at 2:40 am
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          I think the blue force ghost aura is much more heavily laid on in those shots, making them look odd.

      • December 21, 2017 at 4:00 pm
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        I think I figured it out. It had no teeth! But other than that yes pretty spot on.

    • December 21, 2017 at 8:53 am
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      His mouth didn’t move like a mouth; it was weird.

      • December 21, 2017 at 4:01 pm
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        Pretty sure it’s the lack of teeth. I was really analyzing the damn thing second viewing lol.

  • December 20, 2017 at 7:58 pm
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    Mixed feelings with TLJ. Very well acted, great arc from Rey and Ren and some good shots, but with some prequel nonsense situations with a really bad tempo. I don’t care the deaths but for being a central part of a trilogy is all precipitated. In my opinion, Rian forgot that conversation they had between 7 and 8 (interesting at least they spoke about projects). And if he can’t do anything about new script and just enjoy, probably JJ couldn’t do nothing to gave a plot equilibrium in 8. Probably de free way was precipitated for Rian ( and definetly TLJ is not his style like his other movies). Now they have had a conversation between 8 and 9, JJ can’t go probably where he thought, and he can’t ignore e8, to try explain missed points and well character development set in 7. I think JJ plays with disadvantage here but at the same time is the best choice for 9.

    • December 20, 2017 at 9:50 pm
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      Most of the things people say RJ didn’t pick up from TFA were fan inventions. It’s only an assumption based on the OT that Snoke must be the big bad of the trilogy. And, TFA suggested pretty clearly (in Maz’s speech to Rey) that Rey’s parents were never coming back, and that Rey had to look forward rather than back for answers.

      Still, fans obsessed for two years over ‘Who is Snoke?” and ‘Who are Rey’s parents?’ It’s not RJ’s job to placate such obsessive fans. I’m a pretty big Star Wars fan, and I couldn’t have cared less for either question.

      TLJ does set up some very interesting stakes for EPIX. The parallel between Kylo and Rey is beautifully set up, as is the scenario of the tiny band of Rebels on Millennium Falcon setting out to build a Rebellion from almost nothing. These are really cool emotional stakes for EPIX, and I would bet JJ is trying hard for his film to live up to the high standard RJ set in TLJ

      • December 20, 2017 at 10:52 pm
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        I’ll admit that I got caught up in the Rey’s parents theory. It would have been cool to find out she’s somehow related to one of the well known characters in SW. However, I could never come up with a viable scenario in my mind as to how Rey could be a Kenobi, Skywalker, etc. so I’m not really upset with Rey being a no body.

        I do wish we would have had a little more backstory on Snoke. I’m fine with his death being the catalyst for Kylo becoming the undisputed leader of the first order and a Sith Lord or whatever. Rose was given more backstory in a 2 minute scene than Snoke was in 2 movies though. I wasn’t looking for a half hour flash back into the life of Snoke (that’s what books, comics, and stand alone films are for) but some dialogue as to who he is/was would have been nice.

        As to seeing a tiny band of rebel’s on the Falcon building a rebellion against the big evil first order- It has been set up nicely, I agree. That’s kind of what the OT did though. Sure, the rebellion was already established by ANH, but the story of the underdog dismantling the big bad military regime has been done. That’s not necessarily one of my “issues” with the new movie, but it does go against the people saying they liked it because it’s taking the franchise in a totally new direction. Either way, I thought your comment was pretty well thought out and even if I probably don’t agree with your thoughts on the movie as a whole, it’s nice to read well formulated opinions on the other side as well.

        • December 20, 2017 at 11:12 pm
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          I didn’t mind the Snoke stuff, because I grew up on the OT, and never minded not knowing the origins of Palpatine there.

          As for your criticism of TLJ ‘taking the franchise in a whole new direction’, I agree. However, I understand why people are saying it: RJ managed to make a movie that took almost all of its plot beats from previous SW films, but used them in a way to subvert expectations and set up some interesting new things. I’m looking forward to more about how Poe grows from a great solider and pilot into a great military leader, and I’m really excited about the Rey-Kylo parallel. I’m not thinking Reylo exactly, but TLJ did a really good job of setting up a complex emotional connection between them

        • December 20, 2017 at 11:12 pm
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          I didn’t mind the Snoke stuff, because I grew up on the OT, and never minded not knowing the origins of Palpatine there.

          As for your criticism of TLJ ‘taking the franchise in a whole new direction’, I agree. However, I understand why people are saying it: RJ managed to make a movie that took almost all of its plot beats from previous SW films, but used them in a way to subvert expectations and set up some interesting new things. I’m looking forward to more about how Poe grows from a great solider and pilot into a great military leader, and I’m really excited about the Rey-Kylo parallel. I’m not thinking Reylo exactly, but TLJ did a really good job of setting up a complex emotional connection between them

      • December 21, 2017 at 12:38 am
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        “Does set up some very interesting stakes for…” where have I heard that before, oh, yes, December 2015.

        • December 21, 2017 at 1:37 am
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          You cherry pick with the best of them, Gerry. He’s right, and he made a very compelling argument you ignored to cry more.

          You didn’t get what you wanted. I knew that months ago. You won’t be happy with anything if Jar Jar isn’t in it.

          • December 21, 2017 at 3:02 am
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            You’ve got problems, man.

          • December 21, 2017 at 3:57 am
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            That’s the response you give? LOL.

      • December 21, 2017 at 10:21 am
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        “TLJ does set up some very interesting stakes for EPIX. The parallel
        between Kylo and Rey is beautifully set up, as is the scenario of the
        tiny band of Rebels on Millennium Falcon setting out to build a
        Rebellion from almost nothing.”
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        I agree on that. Rey and Ren are the strongest characters now and both actors are brilliant in their roles.

    • December 20, 2017 at 10:44 pm
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      i dont know is just me but some parts daisy ridley performs very well and then there a few that are wooden anakin style acting

      • December 20, 2017 at 11:07 pm
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        There’s one particular scene where it just felt like we were watching Daisy Ridley play Daisy Ridley. Took me out of the movie.

  • December 20, 2017 at 8:23 pm
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    Ohh, I’m really looking forward to this new trilogy. No connections to the saga so there won’t be any “fans” crying about Jedi masters not doing what they imagined, or parents being nobody or deaths, jokes or..I don’t know, you name it.
    Sick of these people calling themselves hardcore fans, no you are not!!!

    • December 20, 2017 at 8:37 pm
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      Who made you the gatekeeper of who are true fans?
      You disagree with our opinion. That’s fine. People can have different opnions.

    • December 20, 2017 at 9:01 pm
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      Curious … Prequel fan?

    • December 20, 2017 at 9:01 pm
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      Curious … Prequel fan?

    • December 20, 2017 at 9:24 pm
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      And a trilogie that actually connects because there is an overarching idea instead of improv. Yes I like that idea too.

    • December 20, 2017 at 9:34 pm
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      There will always be Star Wars fans crying. It’s basically our internet culture. I’m right or it’s not what I want then you are wrong.

    • December 20, 2017 at 10:03 pm
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      Hey Radko, I sent my Star Wars fan application to you awhile back. Still waiting on a letter of approval from you. You’ll notice that I made sure to list 5 references, and my assurance that my opinion will never deviate from your own. Anxiously waiting for my acceptance letter into your elite fan club!

    • December 20, 2017 at 11:06 pm
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      Telling people how to be a fan makes you a douche.

    • December 21, 2017 at 1:34 am
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      There will still be crying.

  • December 20, 2017 at 9:07 pm
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    Will they be Ep. 10,11, 12 ?

  • December 20, 2017 at 10:32 pm
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    I just can’t see how having a trilogy where – from one movie to the next – you’re handing the baton over to the next writer/director is the best process. It just doesn’t make sense.

    It’s a little like the game Eat Poop You Cat. There’s just no way you’re going to get as strong an overall story arc as it one was planned out ahead of time (or at least, if you do, it’s damn lucky).

    • December 20, 2017 at 10:38 pm
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      This is probably why Kennedy brought back JJ Abrams for IX.

      • December 20, 2017 at 10:56 pm
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        Yeah, I guess. I am certainly interested in Rian’s new trilogy (as I’m guessing he’ll be writing it all – at last the highlevel outline) and there’s a lot to like about TLJ. I just felt that he pulled the rug from under the audience a few times and I’m not sure in a good way.

    • December 21, 2017 at 12:06 am
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      Psst…the baton was handed over to a different director for each original trilogy film, in case you didn’t know. ANH had Lucas, ESB had Kirshner, ROTJ had Marquand. Whereas there was just one single director for all the prequel films. So…..there’s that

    • December 21, 2017 at 12:06 am
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      Psst…the baton was handed over to a different director for each original trilogy film, in case you didn’t know. ANH had Lucas, ESB had Kirshner, ROTJ had Marquand. Whereas there was just one single director for all the prequel films. So…..there’s that

      • December 21, 2017 at 12:17 am
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        Lucas oversaw the entire process for ESB and RoTJ, he constantly flew to London to see Kershner, and fight Kurtz, and did the same, if not more, for RoTJ, where he even directed some parts. Boths scripts were supervised by him, completely different than today’s movies.

        • December 21, 2017 at 1:07 am
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          But, he made up each movie, one at a time, with the writers for each one.

        • December 21, 2017 at 1:07 am
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          But, he made up each movie, one at a time, with the writers for each one.

          • December 21, 2017 at 1:25 am
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            Trying to reason with Gerry is a terrible idea.

          • December 21, 2017 at 2:43 pm
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            I just wish Star Wars fans knew things about Star Wars.

          • December 21, 2017 at 2:56 pm
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            Wouldn’t that be WEIRD!?

          • December 21, 2017 at 2:39 am
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            Yes but george didnt discount the first movie while writing the second.Rian johnsons contempt for some of the storylines in tfa is blatantly obvious.He made some horrendous choices.

          • December 21, 2017 at 2:43 am
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            Kylo killing Snoke was in Kasdan and Abrams’ second draft of TFA.
            Rey’s parents being no one important was something Johnson agreed on with Abrams: Ridley knew about it from the beginning of production on TFA.
            Luke’s characterization in TLJ is straight out of the original story outlines George Lucas sold to Disney.

            But please, continue with this bullshit “contempt” narrative you have going.

          • December 21, 2017 at 4:22 am
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            The end of the force awakens showed the emotion on lukes face when he sees the lightsabre for the first time since cloud city,rian retrospectivley destroyed the impact of that scene by turning it into a “comedic” moment,Having him throw it over his shoulder,robbed that final scene of its power forever,do you really think thats what jj was going for.

          • December 21, 2017 at 4:35 am
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            Given that JJ knew all along that Lucas’ original story outlines had Luke as a bitter and unhappy Jedi living in exile and refusing the call to action, yes, I do think that’s what he was going for.

          • December 21, 2017 at 5:17 am
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            Wow,so you think the epic scene,which basically the entire movie was building towards of seeing Luke for the first time since Jedi,with Luke basically crying with the emotion of seeing the lightsaber for the first time since bespin,was all the build up to a joke.Lets not forget the importance of this weapon to the plot of the force awakens,and the fact it belonged to Vader,obi wan,Luke and now rely,and coveted by ren.And you honestly think that’s what jj was going for?…….I will always have the original trilogy,really hope your enjoying this farce of a new trilogy

          • December 21, 2017 at 5:25 am
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            I’ve presented evidence about why I think that’s what JJ was going for. Luke’s characterization in TLJ was IN THE ORIGINAL LUCAS STORY TREATMENTS for this trilogy. No amount of your fan fiction jerking off about a stupid lightsaber is going to change that. Lightsabers are just weapons. They don’t mean anything. Star Wars is about more than lightsabers. Grow up.

          • December 21, 2017 at 5:54 am
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            I’m not talking about Luke’s characterisation,I’m talking about the importance,the tone and the drama of the most important Star Wars scene in 40 years,that Rian turned into an appalling joke,that obviously and retrospectivley destroyed the power of TFA final scene,no way jj was going for that .Ha,and the fact that this lightsaber,which when touched by rey,resulted in an incredible powerful force back,is basically along with Luke coveted by both sides,was even a bigger plot point in jj’s original script,is described by you as “STUPID” and unimportant is Remarkable.Oh yes,and as maz,remember maz?,said,how we found it is a tale for another time,did Rian tell us?,guess he dropped that one too right.

          • December 21, 2017 at 5:58 am
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            Nothing can destroy the power of TFA’s final scene. Grow up and learn to watch films as separate entities, not one big story where everything has to fit together perfectly. The beautiful ENDING of The Force Awakens, which has to have some kind of closure, can coexist with the equally significant OPENING of The Last Jedi, where we need to learn about the characters and see where they’ll be going in the next two hours of the film. Luke tossing the lightsaber over his shoulder is integral to the place the character is now, and JJ couldn’t have set that up at the end of TFA because the film was about to end. In fact, it seems like most of your problems here are with Abrams and not Johnson. Abrams could have easily explained where Maz found the lightsaber, but he chose to push it off for the next filmmaker, who didn’t find room for it in the story he wrote.

          • December 21, 2017 at 6:13 am
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            O.k,so your explanation is that he didn’t drop the things jj set up,he just pushed them off to a different filmmaker,so he couldn’t find room for multiple storylines,characters,and answers to questions from a movie that he was making a DIRECT SEQUEL TO.He dropped them for his own sometimes ridiculous storylines,just like Luke dropped the “STUPID” lightsaber that sets off powerful force backs and was formerly of massive but still ended up being of significant importance in the force awakens.

          • December 21, 2017 at 5:59 am
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            Did I mention that the lightsabre was even more important in jj’s original script,it was even meant to open the movie with a scene of it floating through space.Did I mention that maz,remember maz?,told us she would tell us how they found it,did Rian drop that aswell,just want to make sure I mentioned these points about a “STUPID” lightsaber that’s,”just a weapon”.And you have the temerity to say I’m talking bullshit.

          • December 21, 2017 at 6:03 am
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            There’s no point trying to reason with you anymore. If you’re willing to throw the best Star Wars movie since 1980 out simply because it doesn’t treat a toy laser sword with more respect, you don’t deserve these movies. Grow up. Have a good night.

          • December 21, 2017 at 6:25 am
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            Ok,let’s just agree to disagree that it’s the best since 1980.The horrendous humour alone makes it borderline unwatchable,each to their own.The fact that you continually refer to the lightsaber as stupid and a toy,is beyond belief.Im not saying a lightsaber is the most precious thing about Star Wars,it’s not,but to dismiss its importance and what it means to fans is baffling.JJ obviously found it extremely important,Rian didn’t,yet another fucking thing he dropped from TFA.Bye byyyyeeeeeeeeee.

          • December 21, 2017 at 6:25 am
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            Ok,let’s just agree to disagree that it’s the best since 1980.The horrendous humour alone makes it borderline unwatchable,each to their own.The fact that you continually refer to the lightsaber as stupid and a toy,is beyond belief.Im not saying a lightsaber is the most precious thing about Star Wars,it’s not,but to dismiss its importance and what it means to fans is baffling.JJ obviously found it extremely important,Rian didn’t,yet another fucking thing he dropped from TFA.Bye byyyyeeeeeeeeee.

          • December 21, 2017 at 3:32 pm
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            The audience was meant to have the same reaction Rey had. It was unexpected and it moved the story forward.

          • December 21, 2017 at 4:47 pm
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            Every time I watch the end of force awakens,the AMAZINGLY powerful scene when we see Luke for the first time will now just be the build up to an appalling joke.It really is amazing what Star Wars fans will defend.

          • December 21, 2017 at 4:40 am
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            Zero mention of the nights of ren,why did luke leave remnants of a map,if he didnt want to found as rian would have us believe.More?

          • December 21, 2017 at 4:44 am
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            1) The Knights of Ren are mentioned: They’re the students of Luke’s academy that Kylo didn’t kill. They turned and joined him, and I’m sure they’ll be back in IX now that he’s the Supreme Leader.
            2) The map to Luke wasn’t a map to Luke; it was a map to the first Jedi Temple, where people speculate Luke went. Luke didn’t make it. This is all in TFA.

            All of the answers you’re looking for are in the movie. It’s not the filmmakers’ fault that you didn’t pay attention.

          • December 21, 2017 at 5:35 am
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            I have seen many people question as to whether Luke left the map,but you could be correct.The nights of ren were not mentioned,students were mentioned who indeed prob are the Knights of ren,but considering Kylo is the MASTER OF THE NIGHTS OF REN,you would think they would be fighting alongside him,no?,they were dropped by Rian,it’s as simple as that,even if they are in 9.The difference in tone and emotion between With Luke concerning the lightsaber in 7 and 8 is startling,there is no way jj intended that or did anyone expect that to be a comedic scene,it was appalling.

          • December 21, 2017 at 5:50 am
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            If Kylo is Master of the Knights of Ren, why do they not appear and fight alongside him in The Force Awakens? Do they need to appear in any film that he appears in? Weird that they aren’t with him there.
            You can believe whatever you want about how JJ intended Luke to treat the lightsaber, but I’ve laid out the firm evidence for my case and all you’ve given me is your baseless speculation about the inner workings of JJ’s head. You have nothing to back yourself up with.

          • December 21, 2017 at 2:43 pm
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            This doesn’t discount the first movie. It just didn’t do what you expected.

          • December 21, 2017 at 4:51 pm
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            The power of that final scene,will now forever to me be the build up to an appalling joke,why can’t Luke just refuse it angrily,and tell her to leave,no,Rian had to put yet ANOTHER awful joke into an important scene.

          • December 21, 2017 at 7:48 pm
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            I don’t know what you refer to?

          • December 21, 2017 at 9:27 pm
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            I thought you were talking about Luke throwing the lightsaber,which is what I was discussing with the other guy.

          • December 22, 2017 at 2:49 pm
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            Ah.

            Well, think about it: Luke leaves everything behind, goes to a place where no one can find him and this girl shows up with the very thing he is trying to leave behind…what else would he do?

          • December 22, 2017 at 6:01 pm
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            There’s no problem with Luke rejecting the lightsaber for what it is associated with,the problem is Rian ruined the scene with an appalling attempt at humour,which retrospectively destroys the power of the scene at the end of force awakens.Luke is basically crying when he sees the lightsaber,and in TLJ it suddenly turns into a sketch from snl.The amazing end scene of TFA is now basically the lead up to an horrendous joke,just have him refuse the lightsaber,and tell rey to leave,in other words treat the scene and the fans,who know how important that lightsabre is,with respect

          • December 22, 2017 at 6:47 pm
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            Basically crying? Give me a break. That’s not at all what happens and Hamill himself even said he gave several different emotions because he didn’t know what was coming next.

            It doesn’t destroy the emotion because it’s still seeing Luke again, having found him.

            It’s not about disrespecting the scene, the FANS (eyeroll) or the SABER (bigger eye roll) with disrespect.

            It’s about being true to the character and the story.

          • December 22, 2017 at 7:46 pm
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            Wow,so you think throwing the lightsaber over his shoulder like its from a fucking blooper reel is consistent with the tone from the end of TFA?,HA,it just goes to show that the denial in some Star Wars fans will force them to defend practically anything.Lightsabers are not the most important thing in Star Wars,but THAT LIGHTSABER gave rey a powerful force back,was at one point an even bigger plot point in TFA(an image of it was going to open the movie),has been in all 3 trilogies,belonged to.anakin,obi wan,Luke,and rey,and is basically the most important artefact in all of Star Wars canon,but Rian decides to use it as a device for YET ANOTHER appaling “joke”.Trust me,I’m not the only one super pissed about it,and if you think Luke wasn’t tearing up or on the verge of tears in that scene,then you’re misremembering.Luke could have taken a shit on it and fans like you in denial would defend it.

          • December 23, 2017 at 11:18 pm
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            No, but guess what?

            Luke getting his face mauled from a wampa is inconsistent with the celebratory tone of ANH. But I don’t see you whining about that so clearly you aren’t being consistent with your comparisons.

            Just goes to show how in denial some “fans” are that they find every thing wrong with the new, but don’t apply those same standard to the old.

            Go watch the movie again. No tears at all.

            I don’t have to defend anything. The movie speaks for itself.

          • December 24, 2017 at 1:31 am
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            Let me just explain how stupid your comment is.The end scene with luke in TFA,and the beginning scene with luke in TLJ,are literally A SPLIT SECOND APART,and the tone of the two scenes is completely inconsistent,the AWESOME ending of TFA is now the lead up to a terrible gag.The end of a new hope and the beginning of TESB are probably months apart and on DIFFERENT PLANETS.You win the award for dumbest comment in the history of dumb comments.I never said there were tears,i said it was incredibly powerful and he was basically in tears ,not the same at all.

          • December 27, 2017 at 1:51 am
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            Why, the end of one movie and the start of the other are tonally different?

            No wonder why they decided to split it off at the moment then…

            FFS, learn something about storytelling and then get back to me.

          • December 21, 2017 at 7:24 am
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            But had at least a basic overall idea.

          • December 21, 2017 at 9:35 am
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            This is the point, those movies had a unifying force behind them: Lucas, now every director does as they like, and we’ve seen the results.

          • December 21, 2017 at 2:43 pm
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            Eh…and if he did, it was subject to change. And it did. A lot.

          • December 21, 2017 at 3:36 pm
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            for sure

      • December 21, 2017 at 2:36 am
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        Its about the writing,when it comes to writing you have to be on the same page.Different directors dont even have to communicate,having different writers is just a bad idea,particularly when the second writer basically discounts everything from the first.

  • December 20, 2017 at 10:47 pm
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    I love the article, but I wish the people commenting would jump off a cliff.

  • December 20, 2017 at 11:03 pm
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    So – I’m guessing – the new trilogy will be based in the “outer rim” that’s constantly referred to in TLJ.

    A little like how Guardian of the Galaxy is in a different part of the universe to the rest of the Marvel stories.

    That way, LA have a reason to bring the current characters and the new ones together at some point.

    • December 21, 2017 at 1:06 am
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      Tatooine is in the outer rim.

      • December 21, 2017 at 1:33 am
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        Whatever, it’s in Jersey. Fake. News.

      • December 21, 2017 at 8:48 am
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        and your the other review I’ve been waiting to hear from……what did you think of TLJ?

      • December 21, 2017 at 8:48 am
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        and your the other review I’ve been waiting to hear from……what did you think of TLJ?

        • December 21, 2017 at 2:42 pm
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          I loved it.

          It has some issues; I think Poe’s failure should have been highlighted more and Finn’s quest, while thematically relevant, seems pointless to the overall objective in the end and was the weakest part of the movie.

          But I laughed, I cried and I was thrilled by it.

          Very excited to see where they take it next after they cleared the board in this one.

          I’m sure you hated it.

          • December 21, 2017 at 3:42 pm
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            lol….hate is a strong word. no, for me it was a good movie if it was a standalone film. it seemed more like a dark horse comic. But it just didn’t work in the saga. I think he got Luke’s character all wrong. Did you see video with Mark Hamill about how it wasn’t Luke to him at all….lol, he says he treated it like it was Jake Skywalker…

          • December 21, 2017 at 7:50 pm
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            I think Luke’s character was right, given the events that happened and 30 years later.

            Actors are precious with their characters. I understand Mark’s issues, but I think it worked.

          • December 21, 2017 at 8:02 pm
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            That’ll be the debate for the next 40 years…it worked for what Rian did, but was it any semblance if the Luke we knew in the other movies?

          • December 21, 2017 at 8:19 pm
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            Two things:
            1. I am seeing from one of the writers on this site, on Twitter, that the video you refer to was edited to make Mark Hamill appear to be saying something he isn’t. So that’s fake news, sadly.

            2. Yes, it absolutely was. In ROTJ, Luke has a similar moment of weakness and tries to kill Vader when he threatens to turn Leia to the dark side. No different here.

          • December 21, 2017 at 9:21 pm
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            In the midst of Battle wuth the most notorious sith and with the Emperor exerting his power on Luke is a little different than murdering a sleeping youth….Its not Luke at all.

            In addition he has force Yoda, obi wan and Anakin…surely they would have discussed how to deal with this?

          • December 22, 2017 at 2:51 pm
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            It actually is. He went to the Death Star with ZERO intention of killing Vader. “I will not fight you, father.”

            And then Vader dropped the Leia bomb and he went batshit crazy.

            That is Luke.

            We don’t know that they ever showed up until now.

            And using the ghosts as a get out of plot free card is bad storytelling.

          • December 22, 2017 at 3:35 pm
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            good lord, it’s not even close ….He went there prepared to fight as necessary.
            the whole movie was bad storytelling(TLJ).
            The whole point of the ghost, was so they could continue to communicate. Yoda says on CW show it is a way for the Jedi to win for all time.

            but whatever…theres never a way for you to see any other way.

          • December 22, 2017 at 3:35 pm
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            good lord, it’s not even close ….He went there prepared to fight as necessary.
            the whole movie was bad storytelling(TLJ).
            The whole point of the ghost, was so they could continue to communicate. Yoda says on CW show it is a way for the Jedi to win for all time.

            but whatever…theres never a way for you to see any other way.

          • December 22, 2017 at 5:40 pm
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            It’s very close.

            “I can’t kill my own father.” He went there to turn Vader. Watch the movie. It’s all there. “I will not fight you.”

            Until he brings up Leia. Then he loses his shit.

            I am providing evidence from the actual movie, so don’t “whatever” me because you are one just denying it and refusing to see the truth. You started out knowing you would hate the movie and surprise! You were right.

            It’s a lot better than Luke in the EU who just shrugged and ignored when Gantoris, Kyp, Jacen and all the others turned to the dark side. Gimme a break. What a crappy, weak Luke that was.

            Yes, the ghost can talk but we don’t KNOW how much they have since ROTJ. That’s what I said and if you rely on it too much as a storyteller, that would be boring.

            The Last Jedi was consistent and backed up everything it set out to do.

          • December 22, 2017 at 10:44 pm
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            no, if you check my comments. I had said the whole time about how much hope I had for this movie.

            sorry…it was a BIG let down from a saga perspective.

            go back and read the EU….no one cared more than Luke. But you have a love fest for the mouse and this depressing doppelganger on this island.
            but good for you…I like what I like and you do too. But my Luke and his universe would wipe the floor with the mouse version.

          • December 23, 2017 at 11:16 pm
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            I’ve been reading the EU since 1991, man. I have entire books practically memorized.

            Nothing to do with the mouse at all. It’s the movies. Better than Luke pretending to ignore Kyp going to the dark side or gantoris or Jacen, who killed his wife….ugh.

            Luke Legends isn’t even Luke. It’s KJA and his ilk.

          • December 24, 2017 at 8:48 am
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            blah blah blah….lol

          • December 27, 2017 at 1:50 am
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            Great rebuttal.

    • December 21, 2017 at 11:55 am
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      Why not in the unknown regions? In the EU there were stories of other governments than the Republic, such as the Chiss Kingdom or the Empire of the Hand. Why should the Republic be the only “State” in the Galaxy? – Maybe RJ is telling us the story of another state that is to some extend even affected by the Civil War in the Republic/Empire/New Republic (and I am not saying or implying that this other state should be the Chiss or remains of the Empire or whatever).

  • December 20, 2017 at 11:21 pm
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    Seeing the film for the second time today cemented my feelings about it. IT’S A DAMN GOOD STAR WARS MOVIE. I am over the haters. They can f right off.

    • December 21, 2017 at 7:22 am
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      Let them have their opinions openly just as you do, without the “f” off.

      • December 21, 2017 at 11:53 pm
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        No, I’d rather tell them to f off. Having negative opinions is fine. Hating the movie for reasons like, “It was feminist anti-male propaganda,” or, “this ruined my entire childhood and is the worst movie of all time.” I have no interest in hearing that BS.

      • December 21, 2017 at 11:53 pm
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        No, I’d rather tell them to f off. Having negative opinions is fine. Hating the movie for reasons like, “It was feminist anti-male propaganda,” or, “this ruined my entire childhood and is the worst movie of all time.” I have no interest in hearing that BS.

        • December 22, 2017 at 12:14 am
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          then leave….the forums are for everyone to express their views. Not just what you want to hear.

          • December 22, 2017 at 4:57 pm
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            What power do you think I have to prevent what gets posted here, exactly? Of course everyone gets to post their opinions. And I have the right to tell them how idiotic they are.

          • December 22, 2017 at 10:44 pm
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            fair enough

    • December 21, 2017 at 8:10 am
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      Just because some of us don’t like it doesn’t mean you’re not allowed to. Feel free to love it. Just as we’ll feel free to dislike it.

      If you want to discuss it… well that’s different. Then we can get into the “whys” of it.

      • December 21, 2017 at 11:54 pm
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        Hate is not the same as criticism. I was referring to the people who hate this movie for idiotic reasons, not people who simply had valid issues with it.

    • December 21, 2017 at 6:26 pm
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      to quote Luke, “I’m with you too”…

  • December 20, 2017 at 11:33 pm
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    Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
    The fact RJ wants to make a trilogy with no cross over….mmm
    Well he practically did this in TLJ by eliminating most OT elements without addressing matters properly. Look people say, get over it, it’s a movie and the issues with the OT and no back story as such then.
    Yes this is all true and the story needs to move forward but the difference now is that the fans have invested 40 years into this story and do deserve a better pay off. Yes again people will want different things but the underlying theme of The OT needs a better send off.
    The fact they are making a trilogy but having people write them separately concerns me that it’s just being made up as they go. It’s a cop out if there’s no explanation to what happens in 8. Like I said the difference is there’s 40 years of fans invested I this. Originally we could summise the human emperor came to power through politics but Snoke? Rey? Eh? This does now require some explanation, RJ’s cop out of trying to compare the situation suggests he has no idea or just cashing in.
    If they are desperate to to get rid of OT elements and so quickly why not just make a new space movie. Well it appears cashing in sadly. I watched ANH and 20 mins in you have deluge of iconic characters, tuskens, jawa’s etc.. can you name any in ep 7/8?
    My personal opinion,
    If you want to watch a space movie, ep 7/8 you will enjoy
    If you want to watch the Star Wars saga you will be disheartened

    • December 20, 2017 at 11:59 pm
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      Agree 100%!

      • December 21, 2017 at 12:03 am
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        Thanks, to me it appears very straight forward

    • December 21, 2017 at 12:23 am
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      I 100% disagree. You’re completely missing the point! TLJ is a true second act! Attack of the Clones was close and so was Empire but a true second act doesn’t answer questions raised by the first act! The second act is supposed to be filler which is entertaining and which extends the story and also raises even more questions! The third Act (episode 9) is the climax , the answers and the conclusion. Rian Johnson gets it. He set it up perfect for JJ Abrams’ conclusion! Why are some fans in such a hurry for answers? Episode 9 is going to tie everything together!

      • December 21, 2017 at 1:16 am
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        I would love for 9 to resolve 7 & 8 but Sadly I don’t think there will be any answers from what RJ has said. He’s implied you don’t need to know? There’s no cliff hanger like there was in empire. We’re back to where we were at ANH, But instead now led by women

        • December 21, 2017 at 1:33 am
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          There’s no cliff hanger? Are you serious? LOL.

  • December 21, 2017 at 12:19 am
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    I don’t personally hate on the guy, and attacks and threats are just dumb, but really, LFL has already fired directors for way less than this, I wouldn’t be so sure he’s gonna be around for that trilogy, maybe one episode out of it, but helm it? mmm… Maybe give it to Ron Howard?

    • December 21, 2017 at 1:20 am
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      I know Gerry, that this is a concept that is hard for you to understand. But your opinion isn’t the only one that counts.

      • December 21, 2017 at 2:58 am
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        And you try to make your point about my opinion by giving your – wait for it – opinion about my comment? Well done! Btw, if you were more aware of your punctuation than of my coments, you may one day sit at the adults table when they discuss movies.

        • December 21, 2017 at 3:58 am
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          LOLOLOLOL! It’s my opinion that yours isn’t the only one that matters? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

          • December 21, 2017 at 5:11 am
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            Don’t worry Gerry. I don’t think he knows how to make a point without trying to throw in a lame attempt at humor. Hey! Maybe he helped write the script.

          • December 21, 2017 at 8:10 am
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            You responded to the wrong person. I’m not Gerry.

          • December 21, 2017 at 8:33 am
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            Yeah, I double checked. I was referring to you. I can respect that you have a different opinion from Gerry and others on this comment board. I’ve seen your other posts though, and you just seem to be a bully. Stating your opinion and disagreeing with someone else is fine and all, it’s the heart of a good debate. You seem to resort to name calling and questioning the intelligence of the posters who don’t agree with your line of thought. Maybe you just loved this movie THAT passionately, but there’s no need to be a prick about it.

          • December 21, 2017 at 3:00 pm
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            I didn’t like the film. Gerry has been posting the same empty criticisms without backing up his opinions or actually engaging in any debate with folks who disagree with him for years.

            FOR YEARS.

            You seem new here. I’m not. Let me tell you his theme. Hasn’t changed a note in tune since I first saw him post. “George Lucas is the only person who should write and direct Star Wars films. Because the prequels are superior to all films.”

            He’s part an elite cadre of toxic posters who come here to complain about Disney and start arguments then cry that people who have a different opinion dare post it beneath his own.

            So please. Go ahead and White Knight for him if you want. You reap what you sow.

          • December 21, 2017 at 9:40 am
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            Sure, for some reason he hates my guts, and that’s amusing, he must be really sick, just look at that mile long post up there, in upper case, how can one take that seriously.

      • December 21, 2017 at 7:19 am
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        there you are….well, what did you think of TLJ?

        • December 21, 2017 at 8:03 am
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          I didn’t like it. As a Star Wars movie. Otherwise I think he did a good job if it were anything but this franchise.

          • December 21, 2017 at 8:20 am
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            agree completely…ok, as a standalone Dark Horse type movie but definitely doesn’t belong in the saga.

    • December 21, 2017 at 8:47 am
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      “LFL has already fired directors for way less than this”

      For less than what? Making a movie that general audiences love and give their money to see? That’s a good thing.

  • December 21, 2017 at 1:31 am
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    Rian Johnson’s comments on humor are confirm to me why they come off terribly in the movie. Kershner said, “We needed humor but we couldn’t have gags as it had to be natural.” The cell phone attempt at humor is a gag and that’s why it sticks out like a sore thumb.

    • December 21, 2017 at 4:10 am
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      It’s really just terrible…. cell phone gag and ‘Your momma’ joke… then death of many Rebellion pilots and crews. The tonal shifts were weird and very off putting. Luke’s gags and one liners were bizarre in respect to the story they very trying to tell. Very disappointing….

    • December 21, 2017 at 4:14 am
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      The awful humor alone,is enough to make this movie unwatchable,despite its good scenes.

    • December 21, 2017 at 7:17 am
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      Disney’s going to pull this video and kill Hamill…..my God he nailed it. Jake Skywalker, not our Luke!

  • December 21, 2017 at 1:49 am
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    I will always stand with MARK HAMILL over Rian Johnson.

    • December 21, 2017 at 2:38 am
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      Wow, you’re such a hero.

      • December 21, 2017 at 3:33 pm
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        Back off, mate! Kent here has seen the film since 2016 and has been generous enough to share his dislike of Rose since then, for the rest of us to follow once we had experienced the dumpster fire ourselves!

        (‘/sarcasm’ in case it’s not too obvious)

      • December 21, 2017 at 11:27 am
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        Maybe it’s simply because he’s just the nicest guy, but Mark Hamill always seems to respect ‘Star Wars’ itself and the people who bring it to life with much more joy and self-awareness than most fans do.

        • December 21, 2017 at 11:53 am
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          Yes, I think you’re totally right.

      • December 21, 2017 at 4:59 am
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        Can someone check on Hamill. I mean Luke is dead so Disney don’t need him anymore. They are probably burying his corpse somewhere in Mexico because of this interview. All joking aside I think that interviews like this one explain the dislike/like ratio on Rottent Tomatoes better than some “angry botters did it” theories.

      • December 21, 2017 at 5:06 am
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        It all makes sense now! Luke wasn’t the quitter, it was his evil doppelgänger, Jake Skywalker! Ef that guy.

        • December 21, 2017 at 7:12 am
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          hilarious!

      • December 21, 2017 at 9:55 am
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        As much as you see in TLJ I can agree with Mark Hamill. Luke’s response to the situation as shown on screen so far is over the top. I think if you add to the dead in the temple his wife/lover and a child then the conflict he had about Ben Solo would become more realistic.

        Coming back to ROTJ, the thing that made Luke momentarily flip in the end was Vader threatening to turn Leia to the dark side. Taking that character aspect forwards if Luke could foresee not only the destruction of the temple but the murder of his family, then I could appreciate his mindset in TLJ more.

        I think Episode IX can still correct that in some way. Does not necessarily have to be his family, but I think a deeper personal loss or stronger premonition of the future (eg murder of Leia) is necessary to justify the place that Luke is at. From my perspective it is too early to judge TLJ because the Episode IX has an opportunity to put a lot of the story into context.

        • December 21, 2017 at 12:01 pm
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          “Coming back to ROTJ, the thing that made Luke momentarily flip in the end was Vader threatening to turn Leia to the dark side.”

          That’s a very good point. That’s why in The Last Jedi Leia’s son being full of the dark side was such a pivotal moment in Luke’s character arc.

        • December 21, 2017 at 12:01 pm
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          “Coming back to ROTJ, the thing that made Luke momentarily flip in the end was Vader threatening to turn Leia to the dark side.”

          That’s a very good point. That’s why in The Last Jedi Leia’s son being full of the dark side was such a pivotal moment in Luke’s character arc.

        • December 21, 2017 at 4:37 pm
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          So sick of hearing that. Thats what everyone said after TFA, “Wait till episode VIII, it will put everything into perspective than you will like TFA more….” TLJ did nothing to make TFA better and now people think IX will somehow save all 3? What a joke.

          • December 22, 2017 at 3:00 am
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            It is a case of special pleading which is a logical fallacy. I saw this with The Force Awakens. People have every right to judge a movie as it is in its current edition. And while it is nice for that stuff to be revealed later on, that kind of ad hoc reasoning only seems to highlight the issue.

            Because, if TLJ is any indicator, then getting answers for Nine might seem slim. Though, to be fair; it is the end of the trilogy. Unless, JJ Abrams wants to setup more stuff for some odd reason.

            For me, yeah; I enjoyed the movie, but really it doesn’t change the fact that when one considers The Force Awakens, it is a poor follow up in my view.

    • December 21, 2017 at 5:25 am
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      I ll stand with Rose, I love that character.

  • December 21, 2017 at 2:05 am
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    This movie is weird. I propose that Johnson purposely made an anti-war Star Wars movie.

    For example, the battle of Crait was hilarious: The FO rolls out all this impressive machinery — giant walkers with big cannons strapped on their tops, a huge Big Gun that they dragged across the landscape. Yet all they do is shoot down a couple of rickety Ski Speeders and then blast away at a Force hologram, as the last few remaining Resistance members sneak out the back door. (And the Big Gun was neither fired or destroyed.) lol

    And Luke admonished Rey that the Force wasn’t about levitating rocks. Yet Rey did exactly this in order to get the Resistance members out of the cave!

    When Kylo realized he had been hoodwinked, he screamed “Nooooooooooo…!!”

    The FO’s strategy was baffling. Didn’t Kylo want to find Luke? What happened with that? Instead, the FO picked off remnants of the Resistance, who were very few in number already. Why all the heavy armory deployed on Crait for less than a few dozen hold-outs? It all felt like overkill.

    After I watched the movie, I wondered if this was bad writing, an oversight on Johnson’s part. But now I wonder if he was mocking it all — all these big war machines. In TLJ they’re bigger than previous generation’s — ridiculously so, but they don’t do anything, really. It seems like Johnson is saying it’s stupid how these SW movies and the fans fetishize these massive “toys” of war. (Which would tie directly back to the war profiting talk on Canto Bight.)

    And the way the Resistance on board the Falcon behaved, as if they were victorious, with the rousing Williams score playing — what are they happy about?? There’s hardly any of them left. If anything, they should appear somber and scared about what the future holds, with a more appropriate music score.

    To help viewers “let go of the past,” it didn’t feel like Johnson was upending expectations in order to do this — instead, it feels like he was doing this by mocking Star Wars tropes. When you scrutinize the movie more, it starts to look like TLJ is a subtle parody and criticism of Star Wars.

    • December 21, 2017 at 2:15 am
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      i have one more… the chase of the fleet was really stupid.Ok they were out of range of their big guns but why not jump to hyperspace to one point a return in front of them with all those star destroyers

      • December 21, 2017 at 6:28 am
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        Exactly! Tactically speaking things weren’t lining up. It didn’t make sense.

      • December 21, 2017 at 2:36 pm
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        That’s the problem with ESB walkers, they make no sense tatically. They come walking slowly from the distace. In the Last Jedi should there be some technical explanation for these tactical choises, but they were ommited,like, most of the audiences and carachters don’t really care. Maybe they were sadistic choices of the crazy Hux

    • December 21, 2017 at 5:24 am
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      The most sold book in history, El Quijote, it is a Cavalry Book but more a parody of Cavalry Books.
      Obviously as the best book in Spanish language is much more than a parody, but initially it was a parody. Ended being more serious deeper than any Cavalry Book.

      • December 21, 2017 at 3:10 pm
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        The same can actually be said of Machiavelli’s seminal ‘The Prince’, if some historians and academics are to be believed.

        • December 21, 2017 at 6:28 pm
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          “The Prince” is a parody?

          • December 22, 2017 at 9:52 am
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            Well, not exactly a parody per se. There is a school of thought that Machiavelli was more of a liberal thinker than modern people give him credit for. ‘The Prince’ would thus not be his treatise about how a ruler should behave, but a warning to others about how he does.

          • December 22, 2017 at 10:13 am
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            Well, if a historic figure is usually linked to be the inspiration for “The Prince” is Fernando de Aragón.

    • December 21, 2017 at 6:08 am
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      I would be happy too if the entire existence of my faction was able to survive after a nearly being put to an end. I don’t think you realize just how fucked the resistance were before Luke showed up to give them time.

    • December 21, 2017 at 6:38 am
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      “…(And the Big Gun was neither fired or destroyed.)”

      The battering ram was fired, they blew the huge hole through the base entrance. You see Luke walking through it.

  • December 21, 2017 at 2:45 am
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    Everyone has vision. His was…disappointing

  • December 21, 2017 at 2:45 am
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    I watched it for the second time today. After the initial shock, and what I felt were some strange decisions, the movie worked a lot better for me second time around. Better than prequels for sure!

    • December 21, 2017 at 4:39 am
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      Absolutely. Second time viewing is essential. First time viewing was so overwhelming and perplexing to me. Second time viewing made me love it.

    • December 21, 2017 at 6:07 am
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      Things I can’t get past. Why didn’t the First Order just send a few ships in front of the Resistance Cruiser? If TIE fighters worked so well… why didn’t they keep sending them? I bet there were a few thousand on board that fleet.

      So I mean there is definitely some sloppiness going on in some places. Plus it’s basically about pivotal plot points. Half the movie hinged on that chase. Yet the chase made no sense.

      • December 21, 2017 at 6:21 am
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        My understanding was that the Resistance ships had their shields deployed, so fighters would have no effect. But, having the shields deployed meant they were using way more fuel.

        • December 21, 2017 at 6:24 am
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          Yeah and look how well Ren and his two fighters did. They tore that ship up. So what of the shields? Imagine a few hundred. Now that I think about it even more why’d they only make a single run? Problematic for me…

    • December 21, 2017 at 4:44 am
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      Monday is a work and school day and it made a “measly” $21 million. TFA was always going to do better business as the first SW back after 10 years. But, of course this feeds into the haters’ narrative that everyone and their mother hates the film.

      • December 21, 2017 at 5:53 am
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        Yup, I mean look at the numbers for TPM.

      • December 21, 2017 at 5:53 am
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        Yup, I mean look at the numbers for TPM.

  • December 21, 2017 at 5:44 am
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    I sometimes wonder if Universal, or any other hired a team of trolls to attack this movie. May be they are just haters… but I actually never understood losing time in that.
    Obviously anyone can criticize, I criticized the prequels, but where is the point of doing it everyday like an endless lament, these movies are made to enjoy them, it is sad reading the same comments from the same people for months and when the movie is out “See? I told you!”.
    ANH didn´t create any rule about Jedis, but mind tricks and lightsabers, and Obi Wan was not a Jedi anymore, according to him.
    ESB didn´t go further, telekinesy, telepathy. And added the lineage component, present in plays from Greek dramas, to Soap Operas, do we have to repeat the lineage stuff endlessly?
    ROTJ, we saw a Jedi in action, all in the same sequence, mind tricks, telekinesy, lightsaber, acrobatics, deep family matters drama.
    In all of them, Millenium Falcon like a meeting point, the A Team van in the space.
    And we have all that again in TFA and TLJ.

    • December 21, 2017 at 6:24 am
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      Jay Bauman and the RLM guys posted a lukewarm review and then some idiot on twitter told him to drink bleach because of it. So the lovers of this film can be pretty obnoxious. Just as people criticise, you constantly gush about this film… its all subjective.

      • December 21, 2017 at 7:10 am
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        my experiences have been that when I say I dislike the new SW films and even give legitimate reasons….I get attacked. But as you say, it’s fine for people to gush over it for years.

        There are a lot of legitimate complaints from many people concerning this film. It’s a shame they are discarded as they could help to improve future films if used properly…oh well, my 2 cents.

        • December 21, 2017 at 7:17 am
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          Amen ^^ the people who liked it are certainly entitled to feel the way they do. By the same token, fans who didn’t like it shouldn’t be written off as “entitled fanboys” or whatever other insult. Every movie has issues, and whether you liked this movie or not, some of the issues can be fixed by simply addressing them.

        • December 22, 2017 at 2:46 am
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          Having proper discourse and discussion across the Internet I find is hard. Namely, due to immature twats and the lack of face to face often times brings out unbridled emotions and feelings normally not accepted within society.

          In other words, our inner A-hole. But I digress.

          The Last Jedi is a flawed movie, but I enjoyed it. My thoughts could change, upon rewatching it, but really Rian Johnson much as I respect his ambition; I do think there are places he went too far.

          Namely, with the connections to The Force Awakens. And look, I have made it oh so clear how I wasn’t a fan of that movie. And am still not. But for those fans, the reasonable ones, RJ should have respected that setup a little bit more. Even if I wasn’t too big into it.

          Also, Luke dying’ I’m sorry I just hated that. I get why thematically and character wise, but it just rubs me the wrong way and highlights a big flaw I find in the ST.

          Overall, The Last Jedi as a deconstruction of SWs works in my view. I question why a Saga film needed to have this message as opposed to a standalone. But really, I see this movie as a weaker take on KOTOR 2.

          In terms of narrative, pacing and characterization.

      • December 21, 2017 at 8:22 am
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        I totally accept critics to this movie, how I couldnt?
        I criticize the Prequels. And I believe this movie is better than the prequels.
        We both accept and respect each other point of view because we are decent and open people, I don´t know you but I give you that from the begining.
        But I sometimes read people so persistent in time and severity that I wonder why is that.
        Even I read very bad critics months before the movie is released.
        Lets not be naive, it happens in politics and most things related to social media.
        The same LF could have comunity managers, bots, whatever you call it supporting the movie.
        Competitors could have the same kind of people doing the opposite. I am just wondering that.
        Sorry to discover you a new world, but yes, celebrities profiles are managed by comunity managers, and yes, that chick you like in Instagram is really selling perfum and clothes for Christmas.

  • December 21, 2017 at 6:03 am
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    I’m glad JJ is back. I hope he’s got the stones to be as flippant with TLJ as it was to his TFA.

    • December 21, 2017 at 6:21 am
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      Took me a second.

      Finn, Rey, Snoke, Jedi Tree!

  • December 21, 2017 at 6:52 am
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    As much as I may not have cared for the final result I really didn’t mind the humor. I thought Poe opening with a joke felt (one of the few times) a decent call back to TFA. Faced with danger Poe mocks the enemy. Definitely didn’t have a problem with that.

  • December 21, 2017 at 8:19 am
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    True story.

    The folks raging about Luke being given a flaw are the same folks on this forum who SCREAMED that Rey was a Mary Sue in TFA and then DENIED in the most hypocritical fashion ever that Luke Skywalker was a Mary Sue in the OT.

    MIND YOU. These are also the same folks who beat their fists against the wall and had tantrums about how TFA was a reboot and a complete copy of ANH.

    YET! Even though Rey was obviously modeled straight from Luke Skywalker’s character in ANH, he was not a Mary Sue and she was.

    Again. Slower this time.

    Luke wasn’t a Mary Sue, but Rey was.

    **************************SPOILERS************************************

    NOW that Luke is given a proper flaw, had a dark and dastardly thought about murdering a sleeping boy he was training then RAN from the entire galaxy and hid in shame to wait for death!!!!!!! He becomes interesting. He’s a living, breathing character that did something wrong that had not only an impact on his legacy and life, but those of his family members and friends.

    Now he’s not a Mary Sue.

    BUT OMG WTF WAS RJ THINKING NOT KEEPING HIM A MARY SUE NOT THAT HE WAS BUT HE IS AND NOW EVERYTHING IS WRONG AND BAD AND HORRIBLE AND REY IS A MARY SUE STILL! SHE IS! SHE IS! BUT LUKE SHOULDN’T BE BAD EVER. HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME CHARACTER WITHOUT ANY EVOLUTION IN WHO HE WAS AT THE END OF RETURN OF THE JEDI IN TLJ. PERIOD. WHO WANTS NEW STUFF? NOT ME, BECAUSE I COMPLAINED ABOUT HOW TFA WAS TOO MUCH LIKE ANH THEN GOT A MOVIE WHERE THINGS WERE DIFFERENT AND I DIDN’T LIKE IT. DO I MAKE SENSE? NO! OF COURSE NOT.

    The hypocrisy here is always righteous and amusing to watch. My only problem is the really annoying people never go away. They just keep coming back and making the same post over and over again. Why won’t it stop. Will someone stop it? Please?

    God knows I’ve been warned off by Mods and the site owner more than once. Why not the truly annoying people who add nothing to the conversation?

    I may be a dick, but I do spark appropriate debate and discussion.

    Disqus.

    • December 21, 2017 at 8:46 am
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      Dude…drink a beer, or stop drinking so many of them. Back to your roots! Troll the trolls….debate the discussion and respect all views of the same movies we all watch, even if we can’t agree and some (including me)keep shouting the same thing.

      Lots of respect for you! Now, slay those that need it! still say we start a new show debating all SW!

      • December 21, 2017 at 2:47 pm
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        Sorry man, but this complaint is valid.

        This argument alone shows people who just want to be toxic haters and bitch about the new films here instead of discussing them. Then whine about how they’re not allowed to have a contrary opinion to those who like the film while repeating the same trollish “This is sooo dumb” posts in new formats that they think are clever, yet aren’t.

        Again. I didn’t like the film. And I’ve discussed why in a civil way when people who did like the film here asked, “Why didn’t you?”

        When I state I didn’t like the film, I didn’t scream about Disney, Rian Johnson, JJ Abrams, or anything else RUINING EVERYTHING BECAUSE THEY’RE NOT GEORGE LUCAS OMG.

        And I still won’t. But if the mods here won’t try to dial back rabid fan feedback and toxic posting that starts verbal scrums in the first place, then they’ll lose a loyal visitor to the site who has supported them since nearly its launch.

        God knows I’ve been moderated. They burned down every one of my YAY TEARS posts when JJ was announced for IX, which is no different than what other posters have put up in every article here since premiere night.

      • December 21, 2017 at 2:47 pm
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        Sorry man, but this complaint is valid.

        This argument alone shows people who just want to be toxic haters and bitch about the new films here instead of discussing them. Then whine about how they’re not allowed to have a contrary opinion to those who like the film while repeating the same trollish “This is sooo dumb” posts in new formats that they think are clever, yet aren’t.

        Again. I didn’t like the film. And I’ve discussed why in a civil way when people who did like the film here asked, “Why didn’t you?”

        When I state I didn’t like the film, I didn’t scream about Disney, Rian Johnson, JJ Abrams, or anything else RUINING EVERYTHING BECAUSE THEY’RE NOT GEORGE LUCAS OMG.

        And I still won’t. But if the mods here won’t try to dial back rabid fan feedback and toxic posting that starts verbal scrums in the first place, then they’ll lose a loyal visitor to the site who has supported them since nearly its launch.

        God knows I’ve been moderated. They burned down every one of my YAY TEARS posts when JJ was announced for IX, which is no different than what other posters have put up in every article here since premiere night.

        • December 21, 2017 at 3:36 pm
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          understood

          • December 22, 2017 at 1:51 am
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            Thanks.

    • December 21, 2017 at 9:14 am
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      Thank you very much for pointing out exactly my thoughts.

      • December 21, 2017 at 2:42 pm
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        No prob.

    • December 21, 2017 at 1:00 pm
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      I’ve got mixed feelings on the whole thing. I liked TFA. It wasn’t perfect… but I thought it had potential. Now that TLJ has come out… I don’t know. I like them both less now.

      I could go into ridiculous detail but if people wanted to know why folks don’t like certain aspects I’m sure all of Geekdom has lists somewhere.

      Mine definitely range far more than just Luke. That said… not all of TLJ was bad IMO. Rian had a few great ideas like the mind bridge. Excellent way to build Rey and Kylo. That and Poe’s arc was a huge step forward for an otherwise forgotten character in TFA.

      • December 21, 2017 at 2:39 pm
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        It was a much better film, than a movie. As it turns out, most of us don’t want a Star Wars FILM. Which is funny, because we were never given one. I’m not a fan of TLJ. I think it was wonderfully Directed, I think the script was expertly written, and the visuals were top notch.

        But it’s an incredibly depressing affair that critiques hero worship. I go to a Star Wars film to worship my heroes.

        • December 21, 2017 at 3:58 pm
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          Sorry, but you think that TLJ was “expertly written”, you must have flunked creative writing in college. And I don’t get either why people say TLJ is visually stunning. Snoke’s throne room e.g, is one of the ugliest sets I’ve seen on screen and the Battle of Crait (which I had great expectations about) was incredibly Meh.

          • December 22, 2017 at 1:50 am
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            Actually I graduated with a 3.98 in English.

            You don’t get anything because you just want to complain. Again, I don’t like the movie, but I can recognize what it did well, which was most everything that simply didn’t fit into the Star Wars universe.

            Roll around in denial and rub your belly like it’s full if that’s what works for you.

          • December 22, 2017 at 9:19 pm
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            Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.

            ~Luke Skywalker, The Last Jedi

          • December 23, 2017 at 7:18 am
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            Cry more, son.

        • December 21, 2017 at 4:07 pm
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          Yeah see I can’t get past the plot holes… which makes me question the writing. I’m a part of the group that thinks Finn was wasted. Rose didn’t really have a chance given she’s tied to the same plot. I certainly don’t hate her. I was looking forward to her actually…

          I’m fine with Luke failing. Yoda was great on that topic. I’m just not sure I agree with how Luke failed… and then how he chose to deal with it. I digress… back to basic plot points. Not just major strokes of Luke.

          Simple things like how the entire FO chasing the Resistance worked. None of that makes any sense. How it played out or why it played out that way.

          • December 22, 2017 at 1:49 am
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            What plot holes? He filled most of them from VII.

          • December 22, 2017 at 7:09 am
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            See this is what amazes. It’s like people are distracted by other stuff and don’t notice these. Especially when they praise it as so masterful. I’ve listed it else where but I’ll give an example.

            The entire plot point of the chase. The way the FO pursues the Resistance makes absolutely no sense. It’s just… bad. Since that’s literally half of what the movie is built on… that bothers the hell out of me.

            To me destroying the deck guns of the Dreadnought was awesome and totally within canon. We’ve established before the big ships have difficulty hitting the snub fighters. Making way for the bombers. I loved the Dreadnought commander even making the statement that they should have launched the fighters 5 minutes ago. Noting their incompetence at letting it get this far. Basically that whole opening was brilliant to me.

            So then we get to the whole… FO fleet is behind the Resistance fleet. They are running out of fuel and can’t jump because of the tracker yada yada. So the FO can’t catch them because they aren’t fast enough (yet never actually lose pace with them). Their intent the entire movie is clear. They are not toying with them. They want them all dead.

            Why… WHY… out of their sizable fleet did they never jump two or three destroyers in front of the Resistance? They’d be caught. Resistance destroyed. Ok let’s pretend some plot point actually existed that prevented that. What about the TIE fighters?

            Which again is a little awkward. The Falcon was one of the fastest ships and in the OT supposedly Star Destroyers could catch them in a straight run. So the FO destroyers can’t catch the Cruiser… but the TIE fighters caught up easily. I’m willing to grant that the FO ones could be slower and I guess fighters are faster now. Fine.

            So about that. Three. THREE of them tore the hell out of that ship. Why did they stop? Why was there only one run of three fighters? This was entirely contrived just to vent Leia? Sorry that’s not masterful writing. That’s… weak. They could have swarmed them with Fighters/Bombers.

            That’s just one example but I feel it’s a big one since half the movie is dedicated to the premise of the fleeing fleet. Don’t get sloppy with our understanding of Star Wars just because you want to create moments. You make great moments out of the rules we’ve come to understand.

            Easy fixes… have a moment where an officer suggests they jump ahead and cut them off. Hux is like… “No. Snoke has a plan. We are to harass them for now.” Would be a call back to the Emperor in RotJ as well. The whole trap thing.

            See everyone is wrapped up with Luke. I’ve got problems with that too but some of the basics messed up too.

          • December 22, 2017 at 7:30 am
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            These aren’t plot holes.

            They already said the Resistance ships were too far out for the Fighters to receive any support from the First Order fleet, so they were called back. The Resistance ships also did a good job of blowing the handful of TIEs to shit that went out there so perhaps they decided that would not be the best way to engage the Resistance. By the time the Resistance was losing ships, it was pretty obvious that Hux was toying with them on purpose. Prolonging their suffering, so to speak.

            I don’t think it was the smaller Resurgent class Star Destroyers that couldn’t catch up to the Resistance, it was the Mega class that was holding them back. And obviously they didn’t want to break formation.

            If you’re really going to complain about a lack of TIEs, why didn’t the Empire launch more at the Battle of Yavin and Hoth? I think you know the answer.

            There’s no canon for Micro jumps to light speed. They may not be able to occur.

            As for the writing, he did a great job. It’s the first Star Wars film to ever have a theme, let alone one that literally connects every character to the narrative and even the factions, all while taking a jab at hero worship.

          • December 22, 2017 at 7:30 am
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            These aren’t plot holes.

            They already said the Resistance ships were too far out for the Fighters to receive any support from the First Order fleet, so they were called back. The Resistance ships also did a good job of blowing the handful of TIEs to shit that went out there so perhaps they decided that would not be the best way to engage the Resistance. By the time the Resistance was losing ships, it was pretty obvious that Hux was toying with them on purpose. Prolonging their suffering, so to speak.

            I don’t think it was the smaller Resurgent class Star Destroyers that couldn’t catch up to the Resistance, it was the Mega class that was holding them back. And obviously they didn’t want to break formation.

            If you’re really going to complain about a lack of TIEs, why didn’t the Empire launch more at the Battle of Yavin and Hoth? I think you know the answer.

            There’s no canon for Micro jumps to light speed. They may not be able to occur.

            As for the writing, he did a great job. It’s the first Star Wars film to ever have a theme, let alone one that literally connects every character to the narrative and even the factions, all while taking a jab at hero worship.

          • December 22, 2017 at 9:05 am
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            You’re right. I missed that they said the fighters would pull back at certain ranges/fire support etc. So we can take that one off the board. They did specifically say they couldn’t catch them… or lose them. Hux was not toying with them. He was annoyed. He said “What’s the point of all this if we can’t kill three little ships?” That’s when the other guy pointed out weight differences and what not.

            I guess that’ll be a thing then. You can’t make smaller jumps. Seems odd given how fleets can jump with precise formations. You seriously did lighten my distaste for the situation though.

            I have more… but ugh. I’m exhausted. I do thank you for the TIE fighter clear up. I feel stupid I didn’t remember that.

          • December 22, 2017 at 8:01 pm
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            You could still argue they should be able to launch enough TIEs to take out the fleet. But the Empire, and the First Order, seems more concerned with using capital ships to annihilate things.

            And I did say by THE end of the chase, Hux looked as if he was toying with them. We now know whole fleets travel in the same worm hole in of hyperspace, so they can jump in formation. But how far? Or close? Given that the initial jump to light speed has enough power to split the Mega class Star Destroyer in two, I would assume that the shortest jump a large capital ship could accomplish would still put them far, far away from the Resistance fleet, perhaps too far to continue tracking through hyperspace.

            I dunno, that bit makes more sense to me than the rest of your concerns. There’s always garbage like this in Star Wars films, you learn to deal with it.

          • December 22, 2017 at 8:51 pm
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            You’re saying there are no plot holes,why didn’t Laura derns character just tell Poe about her plan,it would have stopped a mutiny and countless firefights on the ship,it makes no sense whatsoever.Not really a plot hole but dropping bombs in zero gravity and the pilot not being sucked out into space,really.

          • December 23, 2017 at 7:20 am
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            It’s Star Wars, man. Space. Fantasy.

            Space Wizards. Laser swords. Moon sized space stations with super lasers that destroy planets. Space ships that fly like their WW II air planes in Zero G. And you’re complaining about bombs dropping in space?

            You’ve lost all credibility in my eyes that you’re not just a Sequel hater instead of someone who has actual beef with the film that can be quantified in a post here and discussed logically.

            Bu-bye.

          • December 23, 2017 at 2:06 pm
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            Ha ,I was obviously joking about the bombs dropping in space,but I like the way you tap out of the arguement when I point out an OBVIOUS plot hole.You don’t even try and refute the holdo and Poe plot hole silliness,and I’m not a sequel hater,they have their moments ,but it’s lost me after the last Jedi.Byyyyeeeeeeeeeee.

          • December 30, 2017 at 9:26 am
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            You were obviously joking? LOL? Pathetic.

          • December 23, 2017 at 7:28 pm
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            Poe And holdo plot hole ,any response….hello …are you there…I thought there were no plot holes……hello.If she just told him the plan there would be no mutiny….hello……can you hear me.

          • December 30, 2017 at 9:24 am
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            If you can’t figure that one out for yourself, man, I’m not wasting my time to explain it to you.

            You just want to hate the film. Then hate it. But don’t be a moron and say there are plot holes when there really aren’t any.

      • December 21, 2017 at 3:56 pm
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        TFA had great potential, TLJ just wasted it.

    • December 21, 2017 at 3:03 pm
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      I agree. Internet became a toxic waste. So sad that right now people who call themselves fans spend so much time trying to destroy a movie from a franchise they say they love.

    • December 21, 2017 at 3:39 pm
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      It’s a shame that the negative remarks seem to be outshining the positive when it comes to this film. I hope it doesn’t affect anything moving forward.

    • December 21, 2017 at 3:55 pm
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      Luke was not a Mary Sue in the OT, so case closed.

      • December 22, 2017 at 1:50 am
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        LOL.

        LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL I say.

    • December 21, 2017 at 9:23 pm
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      I don’t think Star Wars fans expect Luke to be perfect.Retreating to an island after he loses Kyle to the dark side definitely a flawed response for a Jedi.Bou to Come close to CUTTING HIS GODDAMN NEPHEWS HEAD OFF,because he sensed some darkness,IS FUCKING RIDICULOUS,especially considering he voluntarily walked on to Death Star to confront the two most evil men in the galaxy to try and turn DARTH VADER to the light.Youre talking crap.

      • December 22, 2017 at 8:07 pm
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        Some darkness? He saw what Ren was to become. The man who murdered his father, nearly murdered his mother, and became first the enforcer for the First Order, and now it’s Supreme Leader. That’s more than some. That’s Vader level Dark Side. Luke fought both Vader and the Emperor, nearly died doing it. Fought in the Rebellion, saw what the Empire did the Dark Siders who commanded it. He’s not allowed to have a moment where he believes he could keep all that from happening again by ending it now?

        You wanted him to bend over and cuddle the Dark Side away? Your suggestion is ridiculous, sorry.

        He voluntarily walked on to the Death Star to save his father. He nearly lost his life in the process and Vader did not turn until the last minute. Luke likely would experience more than a little trauma from that harrowing event. He stood on the brink of the abyss and looked down into it, and nearly fell in for his trouble.

        • December 22, 2017 at 8:35 pm
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          There is just no way we are gonna agree or change each other’s opinions,we just have VERY different takes on it.Whatever,one more time.He walked onto the Death Star,confronted the two most evil men in the galaxy because he saw little light in his father.He refuses to kill his father,who has killed thousands of people and threatened to kill Luke’s sister,vaders own daughter,and eventually turns him,so he KNOWS even the worst can be turned.Then he comes VERY close to chopping his nephews head off who hasn’t killed anyone,as far as we know hasn’t threatened to kill anyone,and is asleep in bed,but COULD turn evil.And your saying he is traumatised by his past,so it makes sense for LUKE SKYWALKER to come very close to chopping his nephews head off,instead of trying to save leias and Han Solos son.And by saving him I don’t mean a cuddle as you stupidly say,I mean use his power as probably the most powerful Jedi of all.Star wars fans in denial will defend ANYTHING.

          • December 22, 2017 at 8:40 pm
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            And I think the most egregious thing in the ST story, is that even if Luke had a single moment of weakness and wanted to snuff out Kylo, I could accept that. But the fact that he goes and runs away and never comes to think about the idea of trying to now redeem Kylo or at the very least take him and stop Kylo and Snoke. I just cannot get over the idea that he would retreat in shame to die. He inadvertently creates a monster, so he just gives up at that point? That doesn’t seem like Luke to me. Even at the end of TLJ, he just confronts Kylo, says he failed him and then uses trickery on Kylo. Yeah, that’s really going to help the situation.

            Good bye, Star Wars. You’ve failed me for the last time.

          • December 22, 2017 at 8:56 pm
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            Couldn’t agree more,I’m done giving Disney money.Even if they had showed Luke trying to save kylo from his dark future over time,maybe then him trying to kill him might make a little sense.Just because Luke seen darkness in kylos future,it does not make that future inevitable.

          • December 30, 2017 at 9:39 am
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            This is the best way to speak about this situation. With your wallet. Stop giving them money, it’s the only way they’ll listen.

            Which means please stop making posts like this. It will be awesome when you do.

          • December 26, 2017 at 4:27 pm
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            Funny, Yoda retreated, Obi-Wan retreated, but Luke can’t…

          • December 30, 2017 at 9:38 am
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            Lucas, it’s not. It’s not going to miss you man. Sorry.

          • December 23, 2017 at 7:24 am
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            I didn’t read your post. You’re an idiot who just wants to hate Disney and the sequels. Enjoy it.

          • December 23, 2017 at 2:16 pm
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            Of course you didn’t,I point out a glaring plot hole with Poe and holdo and you use my JOKE about bombs to tap out of the arguement.I gave this trilogy a chance,it’s lost me after the last Jedi,byeeeeeeeeeeeee

          • December 30, 2017 at 9:25 am
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            Thank God. I won’t have to hear you drivel ever again.

        • December 22, 2017 at 8:44 pm
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          By the way,just because Luke sees darkness in kylos future does not make it inevitable,just like the emperor and Vader sensed Luke could turn to the dark side,but it didn’t happen,because it’s not inevitable.I mean the film doesn’t even show Luke trying once to save ren.Im all for Luke showing moments of weakness,retreating to the island being one,but to not have him leave the island and try to kill his own nephew before he’s basically done anything evil was ridiculous.You know even Mark Hamill disagrees with you

  • December 21, 2017 at 10:36 am
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    Anyone else as sick of Threepio as much as me? He’s become actually annoying, rather than funny annoying.

    • December 21, 2017 at 1:02 pm
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      Only time I ever hated 3PO was… Attack of the Clones? I think one of his lines was… What a drag. As he was being dragged away. I can’t remember which prequel that was in. I thought he’s been handled well by Disney so far. Even in TLJ.

  • December 21, 2017 at 2:17 pm
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    I enjoyed the movie quite a lot, particularly after the second viewing. I do understand people who feel offput by it or are disappointed by the reveals. However, this didn’t bother me in the least. I’ve been watching Star Wars for 30 years now and consider myself a huge fan. I think everyone is allowed to like or dislike the movie, just….be civil to one another. Let Qui-gons be Qui-gons.

  • December 21, 2017 at 2:59 pm
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    I honestly don’t get all that wave of hate. Sure, people can dislike the movie, it is a matter of personal taste. But the arguments are in 2 ways for me:

    > The person misunderstood the ideas, themes and intentions from the movie. I saw that a lot of that in the complaints. “Full of plotholes”. Many could be understood with some deep thinking.

    > The person wanted the events to go on in different ways. Including answering EVERY question from TFA, and following the same formula from the other Trilogies. The fullfilment of their own expectations.

    I personally understood the movie. I always try to respect the vision of the author, and found great enjoyment in that film. I had some expectations, but could accept the wildly different final product. Much better than what I imagined.

    Nowadays I try to apreciate a movie for what it is, not for what I want it to be. Understand the message it brings. For me it’s better this way.

    • December 21, 2017 at 3:53 pm
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      The problem is not the audience doesn’t “understand the film” (which doesn’t require any “deep thinking” really), or that the story didn’t “turn out the way we expected”. People dislike it because the writing, the script, the acting and even some of the visuals are just plainly bad,

      • December 21, 2017 at 3:56 pm
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        The majority of the specialized critics disagree with you. Why is that?

    • December 21, 2017 at 5:49 pm
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      “Deeping thinking” more like wishful thinking.

      • December 21, 2017 at 5:59 pm
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        Yes, I wish the audience could understand more some things about Star Wars, or that a movie does not have the duty of explaining everything…

      • December 21, 2017 at 5:59 pm
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        Yes, I wish the audience could understand more some things about Star Wars, or that a movie does not have the duty of explaining everything…

    • December 22, 2017 at 8:28 pm
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      I understood the ideas, themes and intentions. I also came into the theatre open to anything. However, just because you’re open to something, doesn’t mean you have to like at the end of the day. And all the ideas didn’t resonate with me, so I guess, there are plot holes in your arguments.

      Not all of us haters can be just written off and put into buckets, Fred. I wouldn’t even say all of us are “haters”. I just five the movie a C minus (very generously). If you’re 12 years old, I can see totally loving this movie. But as someone who grew up with OT on VHS and now 32, I no longer have much interest in future star wars. Granted I’ll still see future installments, I just won’t see them opening weekend, and i won’t be glued to my computer screen waiting for more star wars news, new trailers, announcements, etc. My fandom has completely waned.

      Before TFA came out, my fandom was at 100%, totally Star Wars obsessed. After TFA, I was 50%, and willing to stick around to see what the next installment could bring, and now I’m at 10%. I’ll still give Disney my money, so I’ll give em that, but as little of it as possible.

      • December 26, 2017 at 4:25 pm
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        Well, I am 31. I watched every movie lots of times, and know the franchise very deep.

        The thing is: Star Wars have a message, and a progression. It is not a simple rehash, or fan service.

        To tell the truth, I don’t see any argument from you. You only said that you disliked the movie. I don’t know really if you got the idea of the film… And I am sad for you losing the passion for the franchise… I really can’t understand that. (for me you are still included in one of the groups I listed…, you just ratified that 😉 )

        But feel free for dislike the movies. Your choice.

  • December 21, 2017 at 3:27 pm
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    The movie works if you turn the volume completely off. Everything (this is sarcasm) worked great but the script. I loved the visuals, but anything having to do with the story, plot, character development, …jokes… was completely off/wrong/horrible. I will watch this movie again, on DVD with the sound down and I’ll play Mystery Science Theater 3000 to make up a story line in my head. I guess I’d have to buy the Soundtrack too for the musical score, because that’s obviously worth keeping. But nothing more. Even with the sound off, I’d have to stretch my imagination to explain some things; like why the top of the Chicken Walker ripped off for no other reason than to expose that “yes, it’s BB8 to the rescue!” when obviously one interior shot would have sufficed. Why Finn’s ski speeder guns melt in the heat of the “Super Weapon” but his face doesn’t? When Hamill calls this version of Luke “Jake Skywalker” I’m behind that “theory” 100% because this isn’t really our Star Wars no matter how Disney brands the products on the Toy shelves. Yeah, I’m disappointed to the point of not believing this trilogy can be saved, salvaged, or redeemed. Prove me wrong, please….

    • December 21, 2017 at 4:36 pm
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      There needs to be a phantom edit to delete Canto Bight entirely. Otherwise I disagree, the story was great and the humor bearable.

      The rest, like melting speeder guns, is nitpicking. Every episode is loaded with ridiculous crap like that.

    • December 21, 2017 at 4:36 pm
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      There needs to be a phantom edit to delete Canto Bight entirely. Otherwise I disagree, the story was great and the humor bearable.

      The rest, like melting speeder guns, is nitpicking. Every episode is loaded with ridiculous crap like that.

  • December 21, 2017 at 3:42 pm
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    After leaving the theater moderately disappointed after the first viewing, after a week of reflecting on what I saw and then seeing again, I have to say it is a good story. Daisy Ridley was right in the BTS footage saying it is “unexpected.” I think that’s why so many of us reacted negatively at first – hardly any of it went as expected. (Cue the “we expected it to be good replies.”) Anyways, the second viewing helped to tone down some of the humor and the questionable events (Leia’s space flight, Maz) and allowed me to really dig in to the message of the film. TLJ took a huge leap forward in establishing the balance in the force that has been hinted at for 40 years. We all just took that to mean that the good guys always win, Luke Skywalker was immortal, and the Jedi are necessary for peace. But, that is not balance. I realized that in some ways, Sidious was right, that sometimes you need to “embrace more than the narrow-minded, dogmatic view of the Jedi” when it comes to the force. Luke basically told Rey the same thing. Anakin equated that with more power and more control and acted on it out of fear of loss. Luke did the same in his moment of question about Ben Solo, “creating” imbalance in Ben. We’ll see if Rey goes through the same thing – but so far, she has very little, if anything, to lose.

    • December 21, 2017 at 3:58 pm
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      I believe that lots of people will come to like the movie with subsequent views.

    • December 21, 2017 at 3:58 pm
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      I believe that lots of people will come to like the movie with subsequent views.

      • December 22, 2017 at 8:17 pm
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        pff, not worth my time. any movie requiring subsequent views to actually like it is such a waste

        • December 26, 2017 at 4:32 pm
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          I absolutely disagree. Lots of movies really clicked with me on a second view, not because they where bad, but because I could watch them with more atention and less expectations. And that film in particular, is a very strong case of that. I see you and lots of other people complaining because you all WANTED the events to be different, dreamed to be other way.

          But, watching the movie as it is, not as you wanted to be, can be enlightening. The ideas can mature more in the mind.

  • December 21, 2017 at 5:25 pm
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    This ain’t going away. I liked the original trilogy because it had boundaries. It has some unexplained thing called the force that could stop lasers, move stuff, bit of mind control and force users could sense one another…great I could buy that, it was subtle enough for the cynics to watch. NOW!! You can fly through space, project yourself to other planets and have conversations. Don’t sweat it Rebels, if ever you’re in a pickle we’ll just invent a new force power at the last minute.

    • December 21, 2017 at 5:29 pm
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      The dark side has had “new” powers too – in the OT, force lightning was not seen until ROTJ. In TLJ, Snoke manipulates the connection between Rey and Kylo, in TFA Kylo seems to transport himself ahead of Rey and Finn after leaving the oscillator.

      • December 21, 2017 at 5:47 pm
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        TFA had the freezing a laser in a mid air too but I could ride with it to a point as it wasnt too much of a game changer, the same applied to old lightning fingers. Cross planet projection, force skyping and flying was just jumping the shark for me.

        • December 21, 2017 at 6:09 pm
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          what about Luke calling out to Leia at the end of Empire? The way the Jedi leap about in the prequels or run at super fast speed? or hold their hands next to molten metal as their sabres cut through with super high temperatures? those didn’t make you jump the shark?

          • December 21, 2017 at 10:20 pm
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            I would never jump a shark and I don’t think think ESB did either, it was subtle and left something to the imagination plus they were pretty close. Also they didnt engage in a full question and answer session. You make some good points though and I’m happy to concede that maybe SW just isn’t for me these days. Younger generation is more open to change and I’ve always believed that’s a good thing. Not forgeting lots of people genuinely love the film and fair play to them.

          • December 21, 2017 at 10:25 pm
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            P.S. prequels don’t count

    • December 21, 2017 at 5:40 pm
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      Something so supernatural and mythical lyke the Force, studied for millennia… And It must be limited by a few movies… A thing that can even give visions of the future (bending time and space)!!

      And you are impressed with someone pulling herself into vaccuum (where minor propulsion is required), or comunication (when someone could choke others from another Destroyer, miiiles away).

      We are really talking about the same franchise? You bought Star Wars from Disney?

    • December 23, 2017 at 4:18 pm
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      “we’ll just invent a new force power at the last minute.”

      Like Force Lightning, you mean?

  • December 21, 2017 at 6:24 pm
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    Very Happy about all of this. Very happy Rian got on board with Star Wars.

  • December 21, 2017 at 6:46 pm
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    “Yeah, I’m thinking about that, absolutely. I know I’m going to write and direct the first one, I know I’m going to come up with the story for the entire trilogy. Beyond that, I just don’t know yet. We’re still figuring out how this going to go.“

    His humble nature is broaching hubris now, think. I’m betting this so called new trilogy is just a moonshot.

  • December 21, 2017 at 9:16 pm
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    Disney insane for giving this guy a Trilogy. The choice to use and old puppet after seeing Yoda in PT was a poor choice, as he looked goofy.

    Notice every controversial choice Johnson made was because it’s what he would have wanted.

    • December 27, 2017 at 4:12 am
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      Yoda looked fine to me

  • December 22, 2017 at 2:28 am
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    Yeah. That’s a no from me dog

  • December 22, 2017 at 3:30 am
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    Ryan ruined this entire trilogy. He answered all of the Ep 7 questions with wasted answers and huge plot holes. It was if he never watched TFA or didn’t watch the flash backs. Disney, please terminate his contract for the new trilogy, RJ is destroying the star wars brand,

    • December 23, 2017 at 4:17 pm
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      Mmmm…no. Sorry your Snoke theory was wrong, but no.

  • December 22, 2017 at 8:52 pm
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    Can we agree that some of the negative response to TLJ is not just relegated to this particular movie but the ST in general not panning out that many fans “expected” (I know that apparently have “Expectations” is apparently a crime in the Star Wars community, so I guess, uh, Guilty as Charged)?

    Kylo’s motivations: It’s never been clear why he even strayed toward the dark side to begin with. They say Snoke “got to him” but can give us a least a scrap of information as to why Snoke is able to tempt Kylo and keep his hold on him? Anakin’s turn was to keep people from dying, what was Kylo’s motivation? It seems that Kylo growing up with heroes for parents and the most special Jedi in the galaxy for an Uncle would have the most potential for being a generally good-person. Look at ENVIRONMENT that Kylo grew up in. Why would Luke not sense the Dark Side in SNOKE immediately and take any and all steps to shield Kylo from him immediately.

    Rey’s motivations: In direct contrast to Kylo, Rey is abandoned by her parents on Jakku at a young age. But somehow she’s not bitter about even though she has to scavenge and fight to survive day by day for years and years??? Even any Force user has motivations to go to the dark side, I would just intuitively think it would be Rey, I mean look at the ENVIRONMENT that she grew up in. She was surrounded by thieves, junkers, etc, so how did she have grow up so amazingly pure?

    So these are the new characters, obviously I have disagreements with the choices they made for the Big 3 as well, but apparently as Star Wars fans, we’re not allowed to have Expectations or Our Own Thoughts about those characters, we’re just supposed to eat up whatever Disney serves us.

    My Fandom growing up with OT was 100%, and then after the Prequels was 0%. After the Disney acquisition it shot back up to 100%, then went to 50% post TFA, and is now at 10%. It’s fine, as many stated, Star Wars isn’t for everybody anymore, so I guess that’s it for me. I’m sure I’ll go see IX in two years and my fandom will be at 0% and the circle will be complete.

    • December 23, 2017 at 1:12 pm
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      I thought it was clear on the Kylo bit. Ben was a naive kid, and Snoke gave him some doubt about the jedi/told him of his grandfather, whatever, but it was Luke (in the hut) that pushed him in to the arms of Snoke completely. In the brief second of waking up to his Uncle with an ignited saber….. all the shit Snoke filled him with about the Jedi, etc. probably clicked. and that was that.

    • December 23, 2017 at 4:16 pm
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      It wasn’t clear why Vader turned to the Dark side in the OT either, because that’s not really important. What’s important is how he developed from that point on.

    • December 23, 2017 at 4:16 pm
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      It wasn’t clear why Vader turned to the Dark side in the OT either, because that’s not really important. What’s important is how he developed from that point on.

  • December 24, 2017 at 11:30 pm
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    OMG I hated that freaking creature, And it was Mark?? Argh!!!

  • December 24, 2017 at 11:30 pm
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    OMG I hated that freaking creature, And it was Mark?? Argh!!!

  • December 27, 2017 at 4:19 am
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    JJ has the power to improve or change people’s feelings on Episode 8 by what he does in Episode 9. Things can be changed (for example Luke or Snoke could still be alive..Maul was cut in half lol) and explained in episode 9. I think we should judge episode 8 after 9 comes out.

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