UPDATE! New IMAX Display for The Last Jedi Raises Many Questions for Star Wars Fans
IMAX just dropped an image yesterday of their exclusive display for The Last Jedi and it has raised a few eyebrows to say the least. So much so that we didn’t even want to post the picture in our title image as to avoid any potential spoilers. Read on to see for yourself.
October 11, 2017
Light side or the dark? Feel the Force with our exclusive @StarWars #TheLastJedi display in select IMAX theatres! pic.twitter.com/Qs2iMJlyWM
— IMAX (@IMAX) October 10, 2017
My first thought: Oh that looks awesome. I want one…
…wait for it…
…What the heck IMAX?! Why is Luke on the right instead of Snoke?!
Okay, before we wade too deep in the ocean of speculation here, let’s consider a couple of things…
First off, it’s obvious that the marketing for The Last Jedi is deliberately trying to increase fan interest by playing to fan theories and confusing viewers with clever editing. In the recently released official trailer, we see two sequences in particular that are cut in such a way as to cause the viewer to think that Kylo Ren is going to kill his own mother and that Rey will eventually join him. But would they really reveal such things in a trailer?
In a recent interview with Yahoo!, director Rian Johnson spoke about how deliberate Lucasfilm is in their marketing…
“A year ago, maybe even more than that, my producer Ram [Bergman] and I sat down with the folks at Lucasfilm and said, ‘OK, this is what we’re going to reveal here and there, and this stuff we’re never going to reveal until the movie comes out.’ We came up with a ‘no-fly list’ of, under no circumstances is this shown or that shown,” says Johnson. “It is a fascinating process. It’s something that for me, just having been a fan my whole life, suddenly being behind the curtain and seeing how it works and seeing how deliberate it is, has been really fascinating.”
Such thoughts really make me question how much to take at face value at this point, especially considering Luke’s own words in the trailer (which Mark Hamill echoed on Twitter when sharing the trailer from his own account):
“This not going to go… the way you think!”-Luke Skywalker #TheLastJedi #WaitForVIII https://t.co/3rdJbpo2oS
— @HamillHimself (@HamillHimself) October 10, 2017
How much is true and how much is all just part of an intentional misinformation campaign by Lucasfilm to throw off our expectations?
Playing devil’s advocate, however, I think it’s also important to consider Hamill’s own thoughts that he has shared about his character in the recent past:
(from Vanity Fair):
“Likewise, after reading Rian Johnson’s script for The Last Jedi, Hamill said, “I at one point had to say to Rian, “I pretty much fundamentally disagree with every choice you’ve made for this character. Now, having said that, I have gotten it off my chest, and my job now is to take what you’ve created and do my best to realize your vision.'”
Also just for fun, you probably remember that back in 2005 during an episode of the show Dinner for Five, Mark Hamill revealed how he pitched the idea of evil Luke to George Lucas for Return of the Jedi. And guess who was on the table then…, yep – Episode VII and Episode IX director J.J. Abrams (watch from 11:50).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5EU5kM2pX0
Could Luke really have embraced the dark side as some fans have speculated? Is LFL just trying to throw us off the scent? Or is this just a simple mistake by IMAX in the design of the display?
UPDATE!
October 16, 2017
New similar standee for The Last Jedi was found by Reddit member DANgerClose614:
These standees will soon be available in theaters and it’s obvious that the publicity campaign for the movie will be depending on such contradictory pieces of information.
It’s also interesting to mention that just a day ago Mark Hamill made the following tweet:
The villains are always looming at the back… until they get the chance to loom on the front of a box of #KyloCrunch. 😋 #1stOrderOfBusiness pic.twitter.com/QIKNjW9ps9
— @HamillHimself (@HamillHimself) October 15, 2017
Obviously Mark is making fun with The Last Jedi poster where Luke is featured in the back like all the villains from the previous posters (except for Attack of the Clones). But we have to ask ourselves the question – If Luke is indeed the villain in the movie (as the latest standees suggest) will he be tweeting about it just like that? Definitely not. Especially after the trailer fiasco.
I think one thing is certain – Luke will not be the good guy in the way many of us imagined him in the past. But he surely won’t be the villain as well. There will obviously be some struggle and catharsis that the character will go through. Whether this will be fully resolved in The Last Jedi or in Episode IX, remains to be seen.
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Or – you know – Luke is marketable, so they put him on both covers.
Snoke overslept and missed the photoshoot.
Maybe the Bantha he was riding to the photoshoot got sick!
Banthas don’t get sick. They get even.
Maybe the Bantha was too slow
still think this is regarding the whole grey jedi thing
Completely agree. Was going to post the same idea. Luke embodies the “so much bigger” balance of the force.
It has to be an impossibility that it would be a design mistake.
I think its more like Hope on the left and Shame on the right. Same Luke, different attitudes towards Rey/Kylo.
Also, they probably just really want people to know Luke is in this one for more than 30 seconds. So he’s front and center on everything.
So here is another crazy theory.
I noticed Snoke is not on any TLJ poster, but he is not that big secret anymore, why they wouldn’t market him in the background mentoring Kylo while Luke mentors Rey.
Well, here comes the theory.
Because Luke and Snoke are the same person. No,not like that, stick with me to the end.
What if after ESB Maz took his lightsaber, while someone from Empire took Luke’s hand, and cloned Luke on Jakku. Hopefully Thrawn, if he is still around by that time. That’s why Jakku is so secretive in novels and comics, nobody is allowed to write about events on Jakku until they finish ep 8 or 9, ( I read it somewhere, and it was confirmed by someone from Lucas Film, just can’t remember who exactly ), and that’s the reason why they can’t write about that.
What if he looked exactly like Luke, and that’s how he tricked Ben to go with him, cause at the beginning Ben tought that was Luke, and Luke’s clone ( Snoke ) and Luke had duel, and that’s why Snoke is all messed up.
There is also theory that Snoke heals by taking power from Force sensitive’s, and how amazing reveal would be if he heals and we see Luke, and there is end credits with millions of questions. People would say ”Screw it, Luke is a villain now” but in ep 9, we would get all of this background story.
Now, some of You would say, but he looks much older, not only messed up, and he has both hands? Well that could be because clones get old pretty fast, and if they clone someone, they would definitelly make it with both hands obviously, and near perfection as possible and he was nothing but Empire’s secret project.
Just imagine that ending. Snoke takes power from Rey, he heals, and we see older Luke.
End Credits
Surely that’s not Luke…
S………………no……ke…
😉
Why would clone-Luke (Luuke in the old EU, if I’m not mistaken) be so much taller? And have a different voice? And be non-human? And why would that preclude Lucasfilm from marketing Snoke? Because even if Snoke is a Luke-a-like, he looks nothing like Luke.
Snoke is Snoke … an ancient Darksider from outside the known galaxy.
They could clone him in some ancient sith body, and use Luke’s hand to put kind of DNA in that body. Clone doesn’t need to be exactly tall and look exactly like Luke, cause they can experiment a lot with cloning
Say that out lout to yourself and tell me that doesn’t sound like drug-addled fan fiction. Where is it established that clones can look like other people? And who’s experimenting with cloning anyway (Disney EU, not old EU)?
It was a stupid idea in Heir to the Empire, and it should be left in the EU purge.
Well Snoke is 7 feet tall.
I wouldn’t read too much into pieces of cardboard in a theater lobby.
That is pretty interesting, because it is opening our mind to new possibilities.
The first though when I see that tweet I have is flashback.
Star Wars have not flashbacks, but it is known Rey vision was a kind of introduction to them, and may be in TLJ we will see some.
Years ago they were together.
What if they were playing with the dark side of the force?
In this case, Luke retirement would be because he is ashamed of himself, and how their practices developed to Kylo.
Remember we just know Han Solo version of facts yet, and even he did not say that student was Ben.
Just a theory from that tweet.
2 thoughts
1. What if Smoke is a clone of Luke? Luke defeated him at the Temple and one Luke was messed up.
2. Luke did have to look to the dark side in the EU to defeat a powerful opponent. What if he went to the island to learn how to control it.
Smoke the grey ninja of the lin-kuei that at the end turned into a cyborg assasin?.
Jokes aside, that would be the whole LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKE clone stuff of the heir of the empire story
I don’t think its so much that Luke is a part of the dark side, but that his legacy is on each side of the force. It is because of him that Rey will become Jedi-like and it is because of him that Kylo went to the dark side. So he is like the Godfather of the galaxy.
I like that! A damn impressive and appropriate title, “Godfather of the Galaxy”.
Yep. Mortis trio remade.
Is there another example in the last four decades of Star Wars promotional materials where good guys and bad guys were just arbitrarily mixed like this? Usually they are distinguished by placement, or coloration, or background/foreground… This is clearly more than just “Luke draws an audience, so let’s put him up twice.”
The question is, are they just messing with everybody? I see that as more plausible than they pasted an extra Luke up there because he looked cool.
Also, look again at the first poster for Last Jedi now in light of this. Maybe just me but I see it differently… Kylo and Luke both share same coloration, Luke actually has more menacing expression than Kylo, both contrasted against Rey’s lightsaber. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ad1eeb892e1073fd0b49377b9d2252bc93f2568a054943aaeb8f9273055c4819.jpg
non story. if luke was going dark, mark hamill would have super happy, not completely disagreeing with rian.
After that video clip, I was thinking that.
Well it’s pretty obvious isn’t it? The balance of the force. Luke is on both the light and the dark side. He has realized that it is wrong to divide the force in dark and light. So he is on both sides.
Yep. First teaser pretty much spells it out for us.
So luke is a gay Jedi
Huh? No, he’s not a Jedi at all any more. “It’s time for the Jedi to end” – my read is that he’s come to the conclusion that trying to hew to either extreme leads to destruction. I really hope they have the courage to explore this, whether Luke is ultimately right or wrong, because it would at least be something NEW.
I mean ryan Johnson said in no uncertain terms that “the last jedi” refers to Luke, at least at the beginning of the film so id say Luke at least tenuously remains a Jedi. I took his line to mean “the Jedi teachings die with me”
“Luke is a gay Jedi.”
I guess that explains why Mara Jade isn’t canon anymore. 😉
I hope he still remains a Jedi, just one that’s evolved. When you think about it he had attachments and wasn’t raised the Jedi-way as a youngling, so he started out as a new-type of Jedi in the OT.
I think it would be foolish from a business and marketing standpoint to get rid of “jedi”, they will just be the “new” jedi 🙂
May I have a bit of what most people here seem to be smokin’? I’m tired, I feel like rolling up a big, fat one and the stuff y’all having seem to be GREAT!!
well maybe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4fI3TruAOw
Luke is Snoke, Snoke is Luke
OMG my childhood hero is a BAD GUY
Ok I was totally going to say that! He’s manipulating a puppet from off scene using the force, easier via hologram. The reason I think this? They need a I am your Father moment. With all of the movies we’ve seen since ESB came out, how will they shock the crowd? That’s the biggest question. Is Snoke some random guy like Palpatine? Is Ben the new Vader and Reys Father? Does Lando appear and HE’s Snoke?? What’s Leia’s connection to Snoke? Maybe…it’s Bail Organa! He survived Alderaan!
I feel like they’ve been pretty clear so far (well, as clear as they’ve been about anything on 8); Luke has reached the conclusion that neither light nor dark is the best path to take, that both lead to ruin ultimately, and instead that the best solution is to walk a more grey line between two absolutes. No huge surprise that he’s represented on both the side that Rey occupies and the side that Kylo occupies (incidentally, wouldn’t be shocked if “This isn’t going to go the way you think it will” is actually flashback, talking to Kylo).
I agree with this!
I agree with this!
Or the trilogy will end with Luke, Ben and Rey becoming the new Mortis trio. Light side Rey, Dark Side Ben and Luke the one in the middle, keeping the balance.
There won’t be any “Grey Jedi” in Ep 8. Calling it now.
What the hell is a “Grey Jedi”? The Jedi were a massively dogmatic order, that became so inflexible that they were easy pickings for the Sith. You can’t HAVE a ‘Grey Jedi’ because that’s not what the Jedi are. You certainly CAN have a philosophy that tells you to walk a line between those extremes. It wouldn’t be jedi or sith, but something else.
You didn’t know? Luke and Leia weren’t twins — they were triplets.
There is another… and another.
I know it sounds stupid, but George Lucas did in the 80ish say that ST would be the final show down with Darth Vader. So maybe Snoke will turn in to Hayden Christensen
My god! You’re right!!!!!
(about at least part of that 🙂 )
yes at first
OK,
(Putting aside, who or what Snoke may before a moment).
Luke effectively wiped out the Sith and was the last remaining Jedi at the end of ROTJ.
Leaving him free in his isolation to re-establish the ‘Jedi’ order, how he saw fit. Perhaps in his study of the force, he looked at the various aspects of the force, but not as Light or Dark, just aspects of the whole.
If you understand the whole force, then you might be able to achieve balance, but that would require more discipline that either training as a Jedi or Sith. Luke is the one who was to bring balance.
Perhaps during this, he came upon other force users, some of whom he recruited as teachers for his academy, Snoke being one of them.
Snoke saw a powerful, but angry boy in Ben, one envious of his Parents fame and who idolised his now (redeemed?) grandfather.
Snoke seems greedy for power, perhaps he exploited Ben to this end and brought about the end of the academy, to help him achieve this.
I suspect Snoke was nearly killed when they destroyed the academy. And possibly even thought dead by the resistance.
In this way, Luke stands with feet in either camps of the force, I suspect that for him, the universe is not that simple.
He likely blames himself for his distraction, missing what was going on with Ben & Snoke. And exiles himself as a result, somewhere he can safely continue his journey in the force, without putting others in danger.
Rey, was hidden to protect her in all of this, I think it’s pretty obvious that she has Skywalker blood, but which of the twins is her parent, I have no idea about yet.
Luke is awfully… gray in this image.
I really don’t want to see Luke wielding the dark side of the force.
If Luke goes bad, I will hate this movie. Luke Skywalker is our HERO and if Rian defiles this, I will never forgive.
I totally agree with this.
Falls to the dark side: No
Conflicted: Yes
Returns with Rey to rejoin The Resistance: No
Regrets his decision to not return: Yes
Redeems himself in Episode IX: Yes
I believe this scene of Leia, is her quietly contemplating that Luke will not be rejoining the fight against the First Order. It happens after Rey returns from Ahch-to without Luke in tow.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2015460e354d0531f5fd45a344ae50fb1176b5d034173d3d590c1247212bbf3e.png
Calling it now, the final scenes of The Last Jedi will include a dejected Luke alone and in pain and despair on Ahch-to. He’ll feel the aftermath of what happens to Leia and Rey through the force.
The tragic thing is of course we never got to see Luke and Leia reunite on the big screen, life had other plans for us.
I agree with your take on things. I do think the final scene will be on Acht-To, but it will be much different. I think it will be between Luke and Kylo- as it’s pretty clear that Kylo makes it to Acht-To during the film. Luke will duel Kylo and the KOR, kick their asses, and then turn Kylo back to the light after making him come to turns with his guilt over what he’s done to his family.
I think the scene we are seeing between Snoke and Rey is actually Snoke extracting Luke’s location from her. It’s quite reminiscent to the kind of torture that Kylo did to both Poe and Rey in TFA when he was probing their minds for information. It’s been emphasized from the marketing materials that Snoke is skilled in telepathy- and I would assume this would extend to “involuntary” telepathy, i.e. thought extraction. Then he gets the information, sends Kylo (who has a bit of guilt at this point- possibly because he has captured Leia) to kill Luke, and the events of the first paragraph go down.
I’ve always assumed the KOR on Ahch-to scene would appear midway through the movie, simply because Rey is involved in it. Luke instructs her to kill Kylo Ren, but she begrudges Luke for putting her in that position. The aftermath to that scene would be the fork in the road where Luke would have to choose which path to take, rejoin the Resistance, or stay on Ahch-to.
My thoughts on the Snoke/Rey scene is that she’s not being tortured, but instead is having her power consumed by Snoke. I get the feeling this happens near the end of the movie. Leia is there also. Being force sensitive, maybe Snoke is after her power too, or he is using her as a trap to force Luke out from Ahch-to, much like Darth Vader did on Cloud City. After all, Luke is the prize asset that Snoke is really after.
Luke in his isolation and studying the force realised the only way he could defeat Snoke is by ending the Jedi……and becoming the Sith…..you heard it here first….Star Wars Episode IX The Return of the Sith
My guess is it is more of a jedi = light, sith = dark, new jedi = grey, little of both without the all light or all dark that cause so many issues…ie the balance that the Jedi lost track of with their light only approach.
I don’t know if its that simple tbh. Luke is more like Qui-Gon in that he’s in touch with the living force, the here and now, and also has attachments. So Luke was always a new type of Jedi, using those attachments (his faith in his friends), to his benefit. It doesn’t have to be about using the light and dark side, but how you are as a person. The Jedi of old lost sight of that and acted all important and above certain matters.
Luke doesn’t need Dark Side to kick everyone’s ass.
“The Last Jedi is deliberately trying to increase fan interest by playing to fan theories and confusing viewers with clever editing.” Does this still work if we are aware that we are being played? (talking about fans, not regular moviegoers)
Have you read the Cantina Forum these last couple days? Lots of folks are buying into this stuff–in part, because the trailer is playing to fan theories, so the fans who had those theories are going to tend to ignore the suspicions of misdirection and take the trailer as confirmation…
Can’t say that I have, but I ‘ll take a look, I think that adhering to any theories at this point just sets one up for disappointment, I’ll just wait for Dec 15
Luke kills everyone in the end…
And people will still say Disney is just being Disney. 😛
on an unrelated note, anyone know any websites where the first episode of season 4 of rebels is uploaded?
Hasn’t hit the web yet. Airs on TV this Sunday, and will probably be on the DisneyXD website before that. I’d guess this Friday. You could probably find it somewhere on the internet a few hours after that.
Episode 9: The Re-return of the Jedi
Or…Revenge of the Jedi 🙂
Turn of the Jedi maybe?
The theatrical poster has the same theme, look at Luke’s face – blue one side red the other. I think it’s fairly safe to assume Luke has gone gray.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8fdec94f30d0fb3cd62340176bacf1a8c22f370c4e24df4e92fb542b73e1cfd.jpg
Well, he is older now – many men in his age go gray.
I think you’ll find that blue and red makes purple my good man.
Ahh correct you are – hmm Purple Jedi?
So basically the whole “Gray Jedi” thing is going to be canon, now. :/
No. Gray Jedi are not and will never be canon. If they are gray, they are not Jedi anymore. Pablo has said this pretty definitively. Besides, it makes sense. If you no longer believe in a religion, then you are no longer a member of that religion on a very fundamental level. So if one goes gray, then that person is a gray force user, but no longer a Jedi. So can people please stop using the term Gray Jedi? It’s not a thing, and won’t ever be one.
I hope you’re right, but I can see this adding quite a lot of fuel to that particular fire, so… yikes!
I dont know … what i know is that is a really cheap plot device to make an impact on the people… come on luke was on the edge of the dark side on ROTJ and he made its way to the light … please dont screw up the O.T no more thank you . im not waiting since 1997 to see luke again and turn evil
That’s like waiting 30 years to see the Big Three together again only to get TFA.
No way Luke goes bad.
I think we are all in for an heroic Luke.
YES PLEASE.
There’s a rumour/leak going around that Rey actually kills Luke with her powers by accident during her training and turns to the dark side in her rage, much like Anakin.
Just wanted to say that Dinner For Five is one of the best talk shows ever.
I wish they’d continue this format. As great as Favreau was as the host, he wasn’t needed. Just fill the panel with articulate guests, bring on the food and drinks, and let them run the show.
It’s simple. They are intentionally cultivating this sense that Luke might have gone dark and doesn’t want to train Rey for two reasons:
(1) In order to generate fan freak-out and buzz. (This is marketing after all, that’s its purpose. And it’s working like gangbusters, isn’t it?)
(2) In order to make it all the more dramatically satisfying when Luke actually does train Rey and proves to be the powerful Jedi Master we have all hoped to see for the last 34 years. If you go into the movie suspecting/worrying that you won’t see this, it’s all the more emotionally cathartic when you do, right?
I hope you are right. My feeling is that they are making him a weaker character to build Rey up.
I’m so happy to deduce that Rian has put together a parable on the dangers of black & white thinking (also known as splitting or having an all-or-nothing mentality). We (society) need this sort of moral lesson more than ever.
Luke won’t be “Gray”. Gray Jedi is a popular fan-masturbatory-thought — but mark my words it won’t be in the movie.
Don’t know anything about that — I doubt Luke is going to refer to himself by any label at all.
Gray is the new gay
50 shades of grey jedi.
Qui Gon will return as the Grey (Jedi) being chased by those ice foxes.
Luke Gaywalker mincing about in his poncho, becomes very scared of a girls crack and then upon seeing his house being burned down declares oooohhh beehive Kylo dear or you’ll be getting a taste of my lightsaber dahling.
And you know this how?
bECAUSE THE DIRECTOR SAID SO
Because one’s his nephew, and the other is his daughter. The REAL question that nobody seems to care about is, who is it that Luke knocked up? I’m with Daisy, it’s obvious from TFA who her father is – duh. It’s who her mom is tthat’s important, but it gets totally overlooked/dismissed. Sad. SAD
Like Anakin, Rey could have been conceived by the force. Unlike Anakin who was born without father, Rey could have been born without a mother.
Uh…how can you be born without a mother?
A cabbage patch?
Luke was obviously pregnant.
I WAS SURE 2 YEARS rEY IS HIS DAUGHTER. THE MORE tlj IS COMMING THE MORE i THINK SHE REALLY IS A NOBODY…AND IT WILL BE SO DISSAPPOINTING TO ME..
Who is it that’s obvious? Maz? The old lady she was cleaning what she scavenged with?
Hey Luke, I’ve got an idea…. if you’re confused and all. Why don’t you go kill the murderous Nazis that are killing your friends? I mean, after your vacation and all.
Maybe he just couldn’t get his ship out of the water haha. Just like back on Dagoba. Hahaha. HAHAHA. He’s been trying to leave that damn island for 10 years! You know what Luke? If you think you’re not good enough well then you’re probably not.
“It’s impossible!!”
Right side is clearly past Luke training young Ben Solo.
Somehow I get the impression that we will be utterly disappointed by Luke. The more I watch the trailer the more I get the impression that he is not the powerful Jedi we all hope to see. He seems to be a fearful, uncertain hermit who seems to be surprised that someone can master the Force in no time (wasn’t it the same with him during his short training?).
This doesn’t seem to be the Luke I know from the OT. A brave young man who takes on Darth Vader and the Emperor, trying to master the Force so that he can save the galaxy.
I can even imagine Luke becoming the theme of many memes – from hero to zero or something like that.
My take is that Luke’s story act is being setup for some kind of redemption in Episode IX. He’s clearly very conflicted in The Last Jedi. Perhaps after the massacre of his jedi academy he’s suffering some kind of survivor’s guilt. I believe it will take whatever the planned events of The Last Jedi ending for him to snap out of it, and reveal our beloved hero again in Episode IX.
Exactly what I was thinking
If it goes that way I hope we see a glimpse of our hero at the end, even if its simply he picking up his lightsaber and igniting that green blade.
That would be cool.
Yeah, these people have never heard of an arc before.
your arc theory is spot on, but its not Luke’s arc
I see what you’re saying but I think we will see Luke become the powerful master Jedi he once was. We only have seen a few quick shots of him I’m sure the closer we get to release more tv spots will show the real Luke.
Yes, that is my concern also. Rather than get to see the original hero in his full power, we get to see the sniveling, wimpy, whiny dork that he was in ANH and ESB. I remember Mark himself saying how, at the end of ROTJ he was like a 16-year old getting his driver’s license, and then the movie ends and we never get to see him use his powers. So fast forward 30-something years, and now we get to see him as an old, uncertain, cranky, porg-eating hermit, just to build up Rey’s story arc. Could be very disappointing. Hopefully it’s just marketing mis-direction.
I agree, I think that Rian Johnson will metaphorically-rape the Luke Skywalker character and twist him into something Luke is NOT and has never been.
30 years later, that would make sense.
And have you seen the movie? Because, if not, you are jumping the gun. Luke being a gray character makes sense, especially in the context of what TFA setup. The question will be what will Luke’s response be and how that relates to the plot of this movie.
And really, it has been 30 years. So really, his turn into this, I argue is more palpable than even Han and Leia’s, as Luke you could argue had a ton of emotional baggage on top of his temple being destroyed.
Well first off he’s not young anymore. He’s 60 something years old. Second you haven’t seen the movie so really you have no idea how Luke really is. Just what you think he is now. But if you think a 60 something years Jedi is gonna be bouncing around kicking ass and the same well that’s too predictable and boring. Plus, I’d say you are another spoiled rotten reader from the EU era.
I think Luke will be powerful and wise. Probably even kick the Knights of Ren in their nuts, but he will be more like Obi Wan in ways.
Hmmmmmmmmm…
If Luke goes Dark i am out…….Fuck that.. I already am not looking forward to seeing him in this movie because the last 2 teasers alone… besides the fact that this looks like a total TESB clone…people can argue against that all they like…but it is undeniable…you can compare each scene in that trailer to scenes in TESB….. # NOTMYLUKE
I really don’t understand how people can seriously expect that kind of ActionMan/machist crap in a hero who has always been described – consistently and from the beginning – as good hearted, emotional (in the best sense of the word), sensible and, by the end of his arc in RotJ, averse to fighting.
I mean, the guy burst into tears when Vader tells him the truth in ESB and, in RotJ, the titular “Jedi” does “return” the *second* Luke decides NOT to fight the Emperor, *without* knowing that his father will eventually save him.
That moment, throwing the saber away knowing that the Emperor can kill him on the istant (and he, and his friend, could loose everything they fought, and died, for) is the *Entire Point of the Freaking Trilogy* .
Now, you have a 30-something yrs older Luke, who saw his academy destructed, his pupil (and nephew) turned against him and is at a point where going after Snoke, or joining the battle in any way, would almost certainly culminate in a kill-or-be-killed situation with his nephew – the son of his sister and his best friend – and… he should be, what? All gung ho about going to war and in full Warrior Hero mode?
C’mon 🙂
Also, jumping on the “TESB rehash” bandwagon – before the movie is even out – is… sad, really (and the exact opposite of ‘critical thinking’). But that’s your problem 🙂
Heh heh. Mic drop.
…besides the fact that this looks like a total TESB clone…people can argue against that all they like…but it is undeniable…you can compare each scene in that trailer to scenes in TESB…
Good christ. I’ll deny it right now. How? Because I’ve haven’t seen the dang movie. Listen, if you’ve made up your mind about this flick three months before it opens, then you’re probably going to watch this movie looking for little other than affirmation of your suspicions. Have fun with that.
lol, I deny it.
How is it an ESB clone? lol Whatever you say, whinebag
While I understand your view on the matter,I actually do think you are jumping the gun, much as I hate to agree with the truly odious individuals, like Bobby Sharp and company. While there are similarities, I do not think that this movie will end up being ESB.
And truly, I believe you are being super presumptuous. If LF truly does recreate ESB, I will eat my words, but I trust Rian Johnson. I expect there will be aspects of Luke that I will disagree, but much like TFA; I will keep an open mind.
And I urge those people to do so. Heck, I argue that given my response to TFA, it may make the movie better as it got away with all the crappy mystery boxing. But I digress. Overall, to you and all the ESB gripers; take a chill pill.
Especially, with your pedantic comparisons of the trailer scenes.
You think this is a clone of TESB?
This is not going to go the way that you think 🙂
Yoda had predicted it back in ROTJ
Possibly, but that’s open to debate. Was Yoda assuming Luke would die, leaving Vader and the Emperor unchallenged, or was he looking even further ahead to Luke’s own demise?
I stand by my prediction that this is a remake of Empire with the “what if” Luke had joined Vader. https://youtu.be/e8FaXdlTb0A
I think people are putting too much into this poster….The film is called The Last Jedi…. Luke Skywalker IS The Last Jedi……thats why he will be in most promotional material
Still pushing for them to get wild and make Finn Obi Wan’s grandson. Which they could explore in the Obi Wan standalone film. Boyega would only have to pass for a quarter white which is possible. You show most people pics of Obama daughters and people see them as 100 percent black when they are actually 75 black 25 white from their grandmother. It would be a bold move by Star Wars.
Finn Kenobi! Star Wars 2019!
I think people are just reading into this standee incorrectly. I believe it is simply all about perspective, or as Obi-Wan would say looking at things from a “certain point of view”. Considering Rey and Ben are the protagonists of their own respective stories, it would make sense that Luke would be present in both. In Rey’s, Luke is unconcealed and presented like a monk-like teacher more or less which seems to play into how we expect to see him. On Ben’s side, Luke is more of a villainous figure more than likely because that is how Ben sees him ever since whatever happened to cause the rift between the two and this has to be a significant part of the puzzle we’re not seeing yet. If you remember Palpatine’s seduction of Anakin, it wasn’t enough to offer him power, he also had to make him see his friends and mentors as enemies. With that in mind I think it’s fair to say Snoke used a similar method in turning Ben. Considering how much distaste Ben seemed to have when describing his own Father to Rey I can only imagine how much he hates Luke. And also in order for a character to see themselves as a protagonist, they have to see someone else as their antagonist and I have a feeling that is exactly how Ben sees Luke. There has to be something Snoke twisted in his understanding of the Jedi and the Force that made him believe that rejecting the Light is the morally right thing to do and that following the Jedi or Luke’s way was inherently wrong. At least that’s my opinion.
Tl;dr Luke is the lynch-pin between our two main characters and as each tower is helmed by one of them LUke is presented the way they see him. Helpful teacher to Rey and a dark enemy to Ben.
Well said! Luke IS the villain of star wars…from kylo’s point of view.
Agreed – unless Ben is a complete idiot, Snoke must have weaved a clever web to shift his point of view to hate and murder his own father. Mind you, Kylo Ren killed innocent villagers at the start of TFA when he didn’t have to but then accused Rey’s friends of being ‘murderers’… it doesn’t make him sound all that bright.
I hope that gets properly explained in this trilogy.
Luke is experiencing cognitive dissonance & PTSD — that’s all.
It’s only natural that he’s a torn mentor. He doesn’t want to find himself (once again) in the position of having to kill his closest kin.
The real question that nobody’s asking is why Leia seemingly has few qualms about continuing to fight directly against her own son.
I think Leia is clearly torn, as evidenced by her telling Han there is good in Kylo, and that he should bring their son home.
However, I also think that very few people in the galaxy actually know that Kylo Ren is Ben Solo, due to the mask he wears. Maybe she doesn’t want that info revealed to the general republic, especially now that she is not only the daughter of Vader (which was a massive political scandal when revealed in the novel Bloodline), she is also the mother of the kid who blew up the New Republic with his new friends. Not a good look!
Maybe the poster is meant to show how Luke was mentor to both Kylo and Rey, but one chose a path of anger/hate and the other will choose a path of good, but with the mentorship of Luke looming in the background for both. Wonder if either one will take up Luke’s habit of eating porgs. Roasted, bioled, fried, ten of them rotating slowly on a skewer over a fire. Mmmm.
your comment is the most rational explanation I have read. Prepare for the Fan Backlash!
Love it!
Guys, guys, guys. Just think about it for one microsecond. They are not going to reveal a “Luke goes Dark” plot via a theatre display. They’re just messing with us.
This will turn out like last time, with the “Finn is the Jedi” fakeout.
Keep in mind that you’re addressing a bunch of masochists
Except Anakin wasn’t the villain of Attack of the Clones so this whole theory is bullshit, even before Mark commented on it which he wouldn’t be allowed to do if it even there was a hint of truth in it. People need to f**king relax with this nonsense. Star Wars fans are literally the worst sometimes.
This forum proves they’re the worst full time; 24-7.
what was the trailer fiasco?
Mark Hamill tweeting out that we should watch the Football game oct 9th, about a month before the trailer, then he quickly deleted the tweet, though I’m pretty sure he knew what he was doing.
It was the “get ready” signal for SW fans…no one else was paying that close attention. Worked perfectly!
Though I have made my dislike for the current administration quite known, one thing I do not think they’d dare to do is make Luke go dark and destroy the OT’s legacy. I do not like the depressed Luke we have been seeing, and I do hope he snaps out of it, but going full time dark? I don’t think so.
Where’s the update?
Another reason why I think Luke doesn’t leave Ahch-to in the Last Jedi. Hasbro have launched Forcelink-activated action figures, one of Luke’s lines of dialogue from his action figure is “May the force be with you”.
That famous line of dialogue is usually spoken in the 3rd act prior to main characters parting to go their separate ways:
A New Hope: Han to Luke before the battle of Yavin
The Empire Strikes Back: Luke to Lando and Chewie before they both head to Tatooine
The Force Awakens: Leia to Rey before she heads to Ahch-to
I assume Luke is saying this to Rey before she leaves the island without him.
of course, hes not leaving. no green lightsaber, no great battle scene, NADA. Rey will leave in the middle of her training to go and try to save her friends. I hope nobody was hoping that was Luke piloting the Falcon in those scenes from the trailer. Luke will be cast aside for these new characters. People will love this movie at first, then the Phantom Menace Phenomenon will slowly creep into everyones thinking.
You’re hilarious.
I actually watched The Phantom Menace on tv the other night, and sure it’s not perfect, but I really enjoyed it.
It’s weird, because everyone said that about VII and it never happened.
Cry on, son. Cry on.
Well, I ask you this, Mark Hamill is the greatest voice actor of our time, so they cast him in a movie with no speaking role.
In fact lets see who had more lines then him thoughout the series.
Mos Eisely Bartender
The Sarlacc
The Wampa
The Rancor
R5-D4
There will never ever be a scene with Luke, Leia and Han together again, EVER. That is the greatest sin that JJ could have given us. Defend on, oh keeper of the torch
Hyperbole. I enjoy Mark’s voice acting as well but to say he is the greatest is pure bullshit. He doesn’t have the range of Jim Cummings who trumps him considerably in talent.
Also, a voice acting performance differs wildly from live action. So comparing the two is apples to oranges. Not really an argument to be had there in your favor.
Last, Abrams and Kasdan had to balance new characters against old while giving Ford and Solo one last film to shine in. Adding in Luke would have made it busy and potentially over shadow Han’ s death.
Instead Luke becomes one of the coolest Macguffins in a film ever. The whole movie is about how important he is, the mystery surrounding his disappearance, and what finding him could mean for the Resistance or the First Order. Smoke even fears him.
So, Mark had the best launch ever to re establish his character in canon. That isn’t a sin, it’s good script writing.
But cry more.
well, there have been people much more critical of 7 then when it was released…still time.
I haven’t seen more criticism. If you use this forum as a metric it’s the same people complaining.
We will see what the opening weekend for TLJ is. If it’s big, it’s because people cared enough about the first film to see what happens in the second.
well maybe, people are gonna go just due to it being SW. Me, for instance….I love SW and just hope it stands on it’s own and will fix the issues that I had with ANH…I mean TFA. lol
it looks promising!
And that’s true, but for me to declare I AM SO RIGHT ABOUT THIS YOU GUYS the opening would have to be significant. Second film in a trilogy usually drops but if it’s a hard drop I’d say you guys were right, maybe people started hating on VII.
But I haven’t seen or heard that in almost any community I reside in, be it real life or the web. I’ve certainly had people say they liked Rogue One more, which I don’t get, but more power to them. We’ll see.
lol, I do like Rogue One. should be an interesting movie either way.
Luke is one of the big 3 in this movie, with a complex story arc. I don’t agree he’ll be cast aside, or that the movie will be of a similar quality to TPM.
The Phantom Menace Phenomenon is referring to fact that everyone leaving the theater thought it was the best yet, then over time… reality snuck up. Its happening right now with TFA, and possibly this trilogy. I desperately want something new and great to come out in December.
If they are trying to squash rumors of this being a rehash of ESB, they are doing a lousy job of it.
I’m aware of the whole Phantom Menace phenomena that you speak of. I was bitterly disappointed in the movie when I first saw it. Likewise its two sequels. On the other hand I loved The Force Awakens, have seen it seven times. I get why some people don’t like it, mainly because of its parallels to A New Hope. I can see from your your comments that you’re one of these people. But that’s the big difference between that movie, TPM, and the TPM phenomena. People didn’t see through TPM on its release, whilst people like yourself didn’t like TFA when you first saw it, because you saw a rehash.
I never thought Luke would be “in the fight” in Ep8, but him staying behind on Ahch-To, like Yoda/Degobah, seems like a huge missed opportunity in the story.
I think there is nuance between Yoda and Luke. Yoda hit on Dagobah from what would become the Empire. Luke went to Ahch-to in search of the first jedi temple. Both their state of mind seems different, Yoda remained true to the Jedi order, while Luke is conflicted.
I think the big three (Rey, Luke, and Kylo Ren) will all struggle with conflict-ion and loyalty in The Last Jedi, as they are the underlying themes of 3 Outlaw Samurai. Most probably leading to redemption is Episode IX.
Yes, but Han then returns to save the day at the last minute. Which I was hoping Luke would do in TFA.
There’s every chance Luke leaves Ahch-To in this movie, but if he does, I’m glad they didn’t show that in the trailer.
True, but A New Hope was made as a self-contained story. There was no green light for a sequel at the time. The Last Jedi looks to be a much more complex film.
Agreed, but even if Rey leaves without Luke, that doesn’t mean he won’t change his mind later and follow anyway.
That said, there was an early leak that suggested Luke took on the Knights of Ren on Ahch-To (damn I always have to look up how to spell that!). I’d settled for him staying on the planet if we at least get to see him in combat.
Then again, if he fights on Ahch-To, he’d probably be happy enough to leave it, also.
It’s a long wait till December… good thing there’s plenty to speculate on in the mean time!
Yep, the speculation is half the fun.
EXACTLY! There was a series of threads on Reddit where “Spoilerman” was an insider and leaked a bunch of spoilers about TFA. Reading it now, some of it is true, but much of it is absolute garbage. Fun to read nonetheless.
Check it out for a good read.
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/2nyd64/rumor_potential_4chan_episode_vii_leak_possible/
Lol.
Honestly if luke turns to the dark side i will leave the theater
He doesn’t, you won’t.
Nah, he’s not a villain.
No you won’t.
Grey, sure. Conflicted & maybe even blunt to the point of being mean to Rey, likely. But evil? Doubtful. Snoke is the big bad and there is very little credence to the whole luke = snoke theory. With leia’s future in doubt and han dead, having luke turn full palpatine evil is unlikely. This Luke seems more broken than evil. Plus then would they just totally scrap snoke and make him a total waste of a character? If luke was the big bad then that should have been the twist of TFA, instead of wasting a movie running around looking for a map to yet ANOTHER villian. Also, the theme of this trilogy (at least in both 7 & 8’s marketing) really seems to be “finding the balance”. I think luke himself was an idealist, always pure and good and now he too must find balance. Turning evil would ruin that character arc for him as we already have a conflicted villain who may or may not be redeemed.
The closest I think they would go is have luke start acting very morally grey and then he snaps out of it at the end when he sees he is too much like snoke.
There is just the force now, no light, no dark. Just how it is used and to what ends.
Bringing balance to the force does not mean light winning over dark.
Let’s think about this: They have said many times that Ren thinks himself a hero. According to that maybe Luke is a villain….from a certain point of view.
That’s actually a very good point
I want to say if they turn Luke dark or make him a coward then I’m out. It would piss me off to no end. I know that I will be right back in the theater when episode 9 comes out.
however this turns out, mark looks really badass in that outfit. much better than that dirty old robe he was wearing in TFA.
It is funny because watching TFA trailers and teasers I imade my own theory where Poe was a mole as the movie showed totally wrong.
Even we though the one force skilled was Finn!
Not talking about “the force is strong in my family…” when Luke didn´t say a word in the movie.
So, no way guessing plots evidents or not so obvious.
Ok may be just for fun.
A couple things came to mind when I saw the IMAX lobby standee.
First, I’m fairly certain I had read somewhere back in summer (unsubstantiated rumor, of course) that the marketing for this film would attempt to play up the “Luke has gone bad/dark/is the villain” angle, but that it was untrue and was just obfuscation/intentional misdirection.
Second, here’s a quote from Lucas that was taken from an article in Rolling Stone magazine in 1999 that references his intentions for episodes 7-9 as far back as 1983:
“The third (trilogy will) deal with moral and philosophical problems”, Lucas said in 1983. “In Star Wars, there is a very clear line drawn between good and evil. Eventually you have to face the fact that good and evil aren’t that clear-cut and the real issue is trying to understand the difference. The sequels are about Jedi knighthood, justice, confrontation and passing on what you have learned.”
While it is certainly much too soon to state with any veracity that the above quote is going to play out exactly as he intended, it does seem like that is the general direction that the Luke/Rey/Kylo story is heading in for the final two episodes.
We shall see.
Only on this forum are people going to spend hours arguing over cardboard marketing materials.
Just go watch the film. Bitch after it. Or cheer.
I thought you checked out until the release???? lol, glad to see you back!
I can’t leave stupid alone to propogate.
Actually- most likely hundreds of Forums on the web, and isn’t it fun to speculate? I remember talking with my friends whether Luke may turn to the dark side before Jedi came out (yes I am old) it was fun!
In the trailer we see Rey exit the water and dark Luke is there. I think it’s a premonition/warning like the Luke/Vader fight in the dark side cave in Empire Strikes Back.
Everything in the trailer & posters are misdirection. And it’s working. Luke’s no villain…lol.
I have given up any hope of getting any kind of EU type of movie …but, I do have hope that Rian will give us a more fleshed out story then TFA did. I am still hoping that we get to see Luke be a total badass with the force and a lightsaber!
I reject this idea that Luke is a flawless, perfect person incapable of becoming jaded, disillusioned and withdrawn. The safe, predictable thing is to make him a superhero badass. What’s a hell of a lot more interesting is to make him doubt the renewal of the Jedi Order after a horrible massacre has left young Jedi dead and him devastated. Luke needs to discover why the Jedi need to still exist. He’s on a journey of discovery the same as Rey is.