Editorial/Speculation: Luke’s Role in Star Wars: The Force Awakens.

Screenshot_33What has undoubtedly been one of the biggest questions in the minds of fans of Star Wars is the one regarding how long Luke Skywalker will appear in the movie, and what his role in the story could be. Recently, I’ve come across some information from sources I trust that have really made me think about the character’s role in the movie; below is my argument/educated guess as to when and where we’ll see Luke in The Force AwakensOutright spoilers and potential spoilers ahead!

 

One of the biggest sources of controversy within the Star Wars fandom right now is the assertion that Luke Skywalker is either in the movie for the last minute before the credits roll, or that he’s in a brief flashback and then in the very last minute of the movie. In fact, I’ve seen a lot of bile from fans directed at Making Star Wars site-runner Jason Ward, who first reported that story. I do not think that fans should shoot the messenger here, but rather take a good look at every bit of evidence that could potentially prove or disprove the argument. Indeed, one of our own sources supported this rumor, while other sources have discredited it. I happen to disagree on this matter – with no disrespect to Jason Ward or any of our sources, of course – and I’m going to spend the rest of this article explaining why by looking over existing information, a few rumors, and some important leads that just came to my attention.

 

luke1For starters, a key reason why this rumor has been heavily criticized is that, from a narrative standpoint, Luke seems to be a living MacGuffin. Much of the plot – as far as we know – revolves around his lightsaber and figuring out where he is. So the idea of ending the movie right when they find him seems hugely anti-climactic. It would be akin to ending A New Hope as soon as they hand the Death Star plans to the Rebel Alliance, skipping over what we see the Rebels do with the knowledge that they’ve stolen from the Empire (namely, how to blow up the Death Star) and instead save it for a follow-up. To me, this development doesn’t have a pay-off and instead screams “See you in a year and a half for Episode VIII!” like a post-credits scene would. This does not seem like the kind of thing that J. J. Abrams would want to do as a filmmaker.

 

Right after the “one scene of Luke in the present” story broke out, there came a few reports that Luke would be conspicuously absent from the marketing in order to capitalize on the “Where is Luke?” mystery that the alleged ending would describe. If that was the plan, it appears to have changed radically. Not only was the teaser revealed at Celebration Anaheim narrated by Luke, but he also appeared in the middle of said narration, resting his hand on R2-D2. Luke also has not one, but two OT-era action figures that will arrive with the first wave of toys meant to promote The Force Awakensone for the “Build-A-Weapon” line and one for the “Armor-Up” line. If the “Where is Luke?” marketing mystery were to be preserved, then perhaps we would have seen OT-era action figures of Leia and Han instead. When interviewed, J. J. Abrams told a reporter that the question of “Who is Luke Skywalker?” was ultimately a deciding factor for getting him into the director’s chair. So as it stands, Lucasfilm is definitely not hiding Luke. Therefore, the question we should ask ourselves now appears to be “When does Luke show up in the new movie, and for how long will he appear?”

 

luke-and-yoda1Regardless of what the marketing does with presenting Luke Skywalker, taking a look at Mark Hamill’s shooting schedule is probably the best indicator of how involved his character is in the film. Hamill was present on the three days that they filmed footage of Skellig Michael Island – presumed to be the site of some of the last scenes in the movie. We also know that he’s been growing his beard again and that they’re going to do more filming there, which is either a sign that they’re adding content to the scenes that they have already filmed, or that they’re doing a little bit of early filming for Episode VIII (or possibly both). Looking toward The Cantina, one of our users made an estimate using a calendar of Hamill’s public appearances to establish that Hamill was at Pinewood for three weeks in late July and early August. Given that Hamill was absent from the public eye in October, there is also the distinct possibility that he could have been filming then, too.

 

Of course, interviews also help paint a picture of his involvement. Given that Mark Hamill apparently had time to play with BB-8 and give advice and words of encouragement to the new cast, it leads me to believe that he was on set for more than a few weeks. How much of that time was spent actually filming is up for debate, but still. It’s worth noting that Hamill walked aboard the Millennium Falcon, and for the days he did film at Pinewood, he had to wear robes over his costume to conceal it from potential leakers.

 

“You know, the security on it is just crazy,” he continued. “I’m surprised I can even admit I’m in it! …I like being surprised. It’s a whole different era now. When we made the original films, you had the odd reporter hanging around the studio bribing people to give them stories. Now, I said to them, ‘Do I really have to wear this robe and this hood that covers my entire head to go from the trailer to the soundstage?’ They said, ‘Yeah, there’s drones.’ Seriously! There’s drones flying over the studio trying to get pictures of whatever they can get pictures of.”

 

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Art based on the leaked photograph of TFA-era Luke by Eli Hyder. Some artistic licenses were taken with the image in relation to the original photograph.

 

With all this in mind, it’s worth re-evaluating existing information while adding new information into the mix. In other words, the rumors and the speculation that state that Luke appears in a notable portion of the movie really start here.

 

First of all, there’s the art piece above that is based on the photograph we revealed not too long ago, which we later took down. While Eli Hyder’s art piece above takes place in front of a rock fissure, the photograph taken was in a studio where Luke was surrounded by dozens of cameras (and he is not holding any lightsabers). Some have speculated that the presence of filming Luke from multiple angles would mean that he shows up in a hologram; a much more plausible explanation is that the image was taken in a 3D scanning facility, and that they would use it to render his appearance for a video game or for molding action figures. In any case, we now know that Luke wears at least two costumes in the film – the one he wears in the second teaser and the one he wears in the photo.

 

Artoo on JakkuI can now say, with confidence, that there is a flashback sequence in the movie, and that you will see a younger version of Luke in it. I have confirmation that the flashback sequence is one that spans multiple years, featuring a sequence that I can definitely say takes place on Bespin; I also believe – but cannot confirm – that the sequence later extends to a scene that takes place on the desert planet seen in the second teaser, based on MSW’s outline (more details on the flashback sequence can be heard tomorrow in our second podcast). From what I have gathered, two major focuses of flashback are Luke Skywalker and his first lightsaber – the one Anakin used. I believe that the flashback sequence described on MSW is framed by Maz Kanata using the power of psychometry on the lightsaber. This sequence exists so that the characters and the audience learn more about its user and his whereabouts, along with a quick history lesson about where the weapon has been in the thirty-plus years that have passed between The Empire Strikes Back and The Force Awakens.

 

This last section covers the climax of the film and Luke’s possible appearance in it. If you do not want to be spoiled, stop here.

 

In the early days of speculation, the famed “Mizzlewump Leaks” described what was at least a working draft of the script, a draft with many ideas present for the final film. Mizzlewump described Luke not having apparent offspring, his absence from the New Republic, and the apparent absence of a New Jedi Order in general long before anyone else brought such developments to light. One statement that is still unclear is one of the last ones he made – that Luke saves the day, but he has changed. Another rumor that came up was that Luke is powerful in the Force, but he is not entirely sound of mind. A trusted source has stated that both of these things are true in some capacity – Luke apparently appears in the last part of the movie, intervening in the final duel between Finn, Rey, and Kylo Ren just as it seems that all hope is lost. Luke apparently fights as if he is spiritually possessed by the Force itself – and while he is powerful, his abilities aren’t described as being insanely overpowered. (Nothing along the lines of being able to use the Force to rip a Star Destroyer out of orbit, but still impressive.) He is ultimately able to repel Kylo Ren. This source has also told me that Luke is seen in at least four different night shots in the movie; while some of these shots might be from the flashback battle, I believe that at least some of them come from the climax of the film.

 

LukeI have heard very similar stories from two other sources. These statements paint the picture that the “search for Luke”, “destroy the superweapon”, and “save Rey” storylines converge at the snow planet where the First Order is stationed, which sounds like the classic set-up for a climax. I would speculate that Luke is introduced in this section of the story, and I believe that there could be a chance that he interacts with Han (since the October leg of the production would have been a perfect time for Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford to meet on-stage after Ford’s injury). Speculating here, if the Skellig Michael shoot is one of the last scenes in the movie, then perhaps Luke goes to that planet with Rey in order to train her for the coming battles against the Ren Knights.

 

The source told me that stuntman Rhye Copeman’s combat video was pre-visualization for The Force Awakens after all, in spite of Copeman officially denying this. (The choreography is almost certainly for the flashback if this is the case.) As far as cast testimony goes, Toth Gyula, Adam Driver’s stunt double, also mentioned that the movie is called The Force Awakens for a reason – and I’m willing to bet that the reason is that a certain hero goes Force-crazy on Kylo Ren. Following the pattern set by Han coming to Luke’s rescue at the end of A New Hope, it makes sense for part of the climax to have a heroic intervention. If Rey and Finn were able to defeat Kylo Ren on their own, then the narrative would most likely indicate that they would not even need to seek help from Luke in the first place.

 

Major spoilers end here.

 

Even if Mark Hamill’s presence in the film were to ultimately be limited, one has to keep in mind that stunt doubles could fill in for Luke in any action sequence that needed the character. Since Captain America: Civil War apparently had stuntmen fill in for Spider-Man before they even cast Tom Holland in the role, who’s to say that they couldn’t have done something similar for Hamill? Indeed, at least one set of reshoots for The Force Awakens only required the body doubles of several cast members, including Daisy Ridley and John Boyega’s doubles.

 

mark-hamill-pinewood-studios-star-wars-episode-7So, it appears that the answer to the “When does Luke show up in the new movie, and for how long will he appear?” question is “Absolutely nowhere in Act One, in a few major flashbacks in Act Two, and for a decent amount of time in Act Three.” Luke will most likely be in the movie both as a hidden mentor and as a driving force for the plot of the movie – a force which will arrive in time for the climactic battle.

 

It’s worth noting that the contents of this article were pieced together from multiple sources. While the information described may not necessarily play out exactly in the way I’ve described it, I believe that it is very likely that much of it will. In any case, I’m sure that information about Luke’s role in the movie will be made much more clear in the coming days leading up to December 18. It’s hard to believe that the movie is less than four months away!

 

And watch out for the 2nd episode of our podcast tomorrow for more on this subject…

 

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Grant has been a fan of Star Wars for as long as he can remember, having seen every movie on the big screen. When he’s not hard at work with his college studies, he keeps himself busy by reporting on all kinds of Star Wars news for SWNN and general movie news on the sister site, Movie News Net. He served as a frequent commentator on SWNN’s The Resistance Broadcast.

Grant Davis (Pomojema)

Grant has been a fan of Star Wars for as long as he can remember, having seen every movie on the big screen. When he’s not hard at work with his college studies, he keeps himself busy by reporting on all kinds of Star Wars news for SWNN and general movie news on the sister site, Movie News Net. He served as a frequent commentator on SWNN’s The Resistance Broadcast.

188 thoughts on “Editorial/Speculation: Luke’s Role in Star Wars: The Force Awakens.

  • August 25, 2015 at 11:12 pm
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    Wow. Mark Hamill is such a good man. I’m SO happy that TFA will revolve around Luke in a way.

    • August 26, 2015 at 1:13 am
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      You know, I’m not really into flashback scenes. I just don’t think I will be able to believe it.. especially given that Mark Hamill won’t be playing Luke in the flashback (of course).. I dunno. It just seems like a bad idea. Plus, flashbacks are kind of absent in Star Wars, too. I also HATE the idea of an oracle (Maz). It seems kind of like a cop out to me.

      • August 26, 2015 at 1:39 am
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        I agree. Hopefully if this is true, the flashback/vision will be mostly visual storytelling with little to no dialogue. I’m picturing an extended scene similar to Anikan’s vision of padme’s death. The screen is blured and we see a series of images that tell us what happened to luke and his academy without us cutting away to several scenes and then back.

        As for the existence of an oracle…I need some serious context on this. I hope she was a student of luke’s and not just some powerful force user / pirate that nobody knew about. Judging by the concept art of her she looks quite old, so I would like a bit of context as to why she was never trained in the Republic’s Jedi Order. Is she an Order 66 survivor? A grey jedi? a force acetic?

        Whatever the case. I am still sooo pumped for this moive!

        • August 26, 2015 at 5:46 am
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          Master Vos on the Clone Wars had a force power that allowed him to touch an object and see into the the person who touched the object. It was natural fit for Star Wars and convincing on the show.

          • August 27, 2015 at 7:57 am
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            kind of like Aragorn in the LOTR.

      • August 26, 2015 at 1:55 am
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        For the record, I think that’s Mark Hamill in the desert scene pictured up top. The only part that I know about where Mark Hamill isn’t playing Luke is for the OT-era scene(s), which is understandable.

      • August 26, 2015 at 4:33 am
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        Its also usually a vehicle to retcon things, either by saying it didn’t happen that way really, or these guys were there all along and you didn’t see them.

      • August 26, 2015 at 11:00 am
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        Mark could play Luke in flashbacks, no problem. It’s called movie magic. Mark would have to shave, put some movie makeup on, to make the skin look younger and to remove/hide some wrinkles. A corset and/or wide clothes, like Jedi robes, can do miracles. And also, the flashbacks do not have to go back 30 years.

        • August 26, 2015 at 12:40 pm
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          They did it to Michael Douglas in Ant-Man with impressive results.

        • August 27, 2015 at 8:07 am
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          There is plenty of OT footage; outtakes, behind the scenes, promos etc. With the CG of today, they can easily remake a whole story with it. If its a flashback, they can use the Analog style and feel of the 70s 80s to authenticate that it did happen in the past. SW Hologram scenes also give much flexibility for this and can bring back any actor.

      • August 27, 2015 at 12:02 am
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        Star Wars movies never had flashbacks or slow-mo shots, and rarely had shaky cams or lens flare shots. If JJ is as loyal to the OT as he says, I am thinking the rumored flashbacks might actually be just jumps forward thru time, similar to Ep 1 occuring 10 years before Ep 2. TFW might start shortly after the Battle on Endor was over, establish a few new story elements, then jump 30 years into the future. JJ did it in the first Star Trek reboot with the birth of James Kirk, and we all know how JJ likes to stick to proven formulas in film making.

  • August 25, 2015 at 11:16 pm
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    No comment

  • August 25, 2015 at 11:19 pm
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    Here is what I think I think that Luke isnt in hiding at all… that the Jedi Order exists, and like the days of old is affiliated with the New Republic.

    The NEw REpublic cannot engage with any imperial remnant due to a treaty with the remnants. Thus why the resistance exists.

    This is why the only Jedi known to be marginally affiliated with the resistance (even on the same planet) is pretending to be the owner of a bar.

    Luke advises via hologram. And near the end of the film, when the new Republic finally decides to send the fleet to aide the Resistance… Luke Skywalker comes along with the fleet.

    Thus is able to save REy and Finn during their fight with Kylo Ren.

    • August 26, 2015 at 2:17 am
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      Why do you REpeatedly capitilize the R-Es?

      • August 26, 2015 at 3:03 am
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        shift-key sticks so it sometimes sticks too long and capitalizes both letters at the beginning of a word.

  • August 25, 2015 at 11:23 pm
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    Brilliant write-up. Bah…Is December here yet!!!

  • August 25, 2015 at 11:23 pm
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    I knew it! Darth Plagueis IS in the film!

  • August 25, 2015 at 11:25 pm
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    Great piece, Pomojema! This frames his role as much more dramatic than previously rumored.

  • August 25, 2015 at 11:26 pm
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    good article

  • August 25, 2015 at 11:29 pm
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    One thing that gets me, that I’ve not seen any one mention yet. During the trailer, when Luke speaks, his voice is echoed in that same whispey repetition of speech that accompanies Darth Sidious when anointing Vader and also replicates the echoing sounds of Darth Maul. What I’m ultimately questioning is Luke’s position within the force. The Force Awakens is the title, so it must be the true focal point of this film. Where does Luke fit in with this awakening? I think the echoed speech is possibly hinting towards Luke being more dark side or conflicted than many will expect.

    • August 25, 2015 at 11:54 pm
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      Actually, Hamill said himself at Celebration that was JJ using Hamill’s rerecorded lines as reverb.

    • August 26, 2015 at 3:22 am
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      They are all lines from ROTJ except you have that power too, which was probably edited from the origional. It’s nothingfrom ep 7

      • August 26, 2015 at 4:05 am
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        They’ve stated in interviews that those were newly recorded lines of dialogue

        • August 26, 2015 at 5:46 am
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          Mark stated in interviews that he asked JJ if he used the new recording or the dialogue from RotJ and JJ told him it was both. The echo was from the new recording and the initial spoken words were from RotJ. And yes, he did say you have that power too in RotJ, but it was before the rest of it. They rearranged it for the trailer.

  • August 25, 2015 at 11:30 pm
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    BOOP!

  • August 25, 2015 at 11:31 pm
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    You forgot the damning evidence of the tweet that Hamill was in that cast read to “narrate the non-dialogue parts” and the EW article that strongly suggested that Luke’s role would be extremely small and/or insignificant. I doubt that kind of damage control would be going on if Luke had some awesome force-demonstrating save at the end that would probably actually be substantial and satisfying for people.

    • August 26, 2015 at 2:19 am
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      I honestly think that people are looking too much into that. He’s a voice actor, inflecting upon lines is what he does.

      If Peter Mayhew or J. J. Abrams had been narrating, then nobody would have taken note of it.

      • August 26, 2015 at 1:00 pm
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        My main worry is that they are going to kill Luke off and have him as a force ghost for the rest of the films. That leaked photo does look a bit like that. hope not though.

        • August 26, 2015 at 4:02 pm
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          This is right on the money. Old Ben (read Luke) gets killed off allowing the young heroes to escape…

          • August 26, 2015 at 8:43 pm
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            Luke saves the day, but he is changed. Yes! It has been obvious and right before us all along. Luke is going to become a Force ghost, just like Obi Wan before him. He then instructs Rey to go to Skellig Michael, where he will instruct her as a Force ghost.

            Search your feelings… you know it to be true.

          • August 26, 2015 at 11:32 pm
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            Could be, hope not, that would be disapointing and a bit too predictable.

          • August 27, 2015 at 12:33 pm
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            Right up JJ’s alley though, me thinks.

  • August 25, 2015 at 11:35 pm
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    Brilliant!
    I hope you’re right!

  • August 25, 2015 at 11:37 pm
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    Thank you for posting this. I could NOT be any happier. I’m smiling so hard right now.

    • August 25, 2015 at 11:46 pm
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      I wouldn’t get my hopes up, yet.

      • August 26, 2015 at 2:20 am
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        I’m not getting my hopes completely up until I see something solid, but as it stands, there’s a lot of evidence pointing one way in spite of the prevailing rumor.

  • August 25, 2015 at 11:39 pm
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    Thanks for the great article. While we won’t know until the movie comes out, reading this keeps my hopes alive that present-day Luke will have scenes with other OT characters (especialy Han)in episode 7. It would be such an awful waste of an opportunity to have his character relegated only to the final scene of what may be the last Star Wars film for at least one or more of the OT characters.

    Also, podcast is great, really enjoyed it last week, will listen for sure tomorrow. Thanks for all the time and effort you put into this and sharing it with other fans.

  • August 25, 2015 at 11:40 pm
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    Has it actually been CONFIRMED that it’s Luke in the second trailer, with the metal hand? I haven’t seen any confirmation from any official sources. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

    • August 26, 2015 at 2:23 am
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      It hasn’t, but the thing is, Darth Vader was brought up when “my father has it” was mentioned, and Leia was brought up when “my sister has it” was mentioned (as confirmed via her outfit and the behind-the-scenes reel). I think they’re going three for three here with the “I have it” line.

      • August 26, 2015 at 8:28 am
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        Actually Hamill confirmed it in one of the interviews that was posted on this site when he was talking about the teaser.Even after that interview people were still questioning if it was Carrie fisher in there..it was very confusing to me, like his statements went right over everyone’s head when he clearly said it

      • August 26, 2015 at 3:30 pm
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        Why in the trailer, luke says, “my father has it” and not had it??

        • August 26, 2015 at 8:46 pm
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          Because it was a line from ROTJ that was re-used… before Vader was dead. Simple.

  • August 25, 2015 at 11:40 pm
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    This news is promising.

  • August 25, 2015 at 11:41 pm
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    id rather have him in a great film for a few seconds than a crap one for an hour.
    if the story requires that hes in it a lot then cool but i hope they dont do stuff just cos a few over serious (and frankly quite worrying) fans would get upset .

    • August 26, 2015 at 1:48 am
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      Why not just have GOOD film with him in it for an hour? Its not mutually exclusive. I mean I would rather he have a cameo then they cram Luke in where he dosn’t need to be, but I would be surprised if they chose a script with so little of him in it knowing he is such a big draw for OT fans. Imagine the next star trek movie only has spock in the last scene of the film. Dosn’t mean its bad…just a weird choice

  • August 25, 2015 at 11:43 pm
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    I’m pretty skeptical. I think it was in Variety where Kasdan said that people would be flummoxed by an abrupt ending which would lend credence to the rumor that Luke shows up in the last minutes of the movie.

    • August 26, 2015 at 2:28 am
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      I think his statement was more indicative of the movie being shorter than two and a half hours more than the story ending abruptly. His statement was specifically about the running time (to make sure the movie didn’t “feel too long”) and not the content of the story itself.

      • August 26, 2015 at 5:50 am
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        Sounds to me more like a cliff hanger type ending

  • August 25, 2015 at 11:43 pm
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    This is lame! Back in November of 2014, Kathleen Kennedy said Lucasfilm and Disney will be releasing fake rumors to throw us off. This is one of them!

    • August 26, 2015 at 1:55 am
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      Yeah I’m sure they want to trick us all into thinking Luke is in the movie only to be really disappointed and pissed off when he isnt in the movie, that’s great PR, a great way to generate excitement. I’m sure that’s the plan.

      There is no way they would plant false information like this. If anything it would be in reverse, make us think he isn’t in it only to be pleased when he is.

      Good lord do people twist logic around to suit preconceived notions. :/

      • August 26, 2015 at 2:39 am
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        The success of TFA will have nothing to do with how long Luke appears in it. How successful it is will depend on how GREAT a movie it is.

        • August 26, 2015 at 2:54 am
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          This is true, but you are missing my point…

          The above comment suggested that this report was a false leak. I’m not saying that the movie will fail without a large role for Luke, I’m saying that planting a false report that Luke is in the movie more than he actually is would be a foolish move, and makes no sense from a marketing standpoint.

          • August 26, 2015 at 4:15 am
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            He was trying to say that the rumor of Luke being in it briefly was a false rumor.

          • August 26, 2015 at 4:33 am
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            Reading it again, you could be right. He doesn’t really specify which rumor…If that’s the case apologies to John.

        • August 26, 2015 at 4:41 am
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          There are two aspects to that and one is more important than the other.

          It might be a great movie, with action and effects, and be a terrible Star Wars movie.

          If they butcher the lore or worse, retcon it to where its unrecognizable, then I won’t care how much adrenaline it creates.

          This whole “who is Luke Skywalker” question has me really worried that they’ll turn him into some kind of Force Jesus or Starchild, something along the lines of changing the prophecy of the chosen one from being Anakin destroying both Sith and Jedi, to just being Luke’s dad.

    • August 26, 2015 at 7:38 am
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      Did she really say this? I’m not questioning you just making sure you’re not being sarcastic since it’s hard to tell on the net at times…

  • August 25, 2015 at 11:43 pm
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    It’d be really lame if Luke just pops up out of the blue to save our heros. It’s been done before and it doesn’t add anything to the plot. I really hope there is more to it than this.

    • August 25, 2015 at 11:48 pm
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      Exactly, Luke just shows up from out of nowhere during the final duel to save the day? I doubt it.

      • August 26, 2015 at 1:51 am
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        I think it would be more along the lines of they FIND luke but he is too old and shaken from the loss of his academy to help. Then they leave and he has a change of heart (a la han solo) to leap in and save them

        • August 26, 2015 at 2:33 am
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          That’s more akin to what I have in mind, where his appearance would occur earlier in the movie – he’s not a Deus Ex Machina.

          I would have put this in there, but the article is fairly wordy enough as it is.

  • August 25, 2015 at 11:43 pm
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    Would be cool to see a scene in the movie where luke inscribes on a huge stone slab ten jedi commandments. And all new jedi he teaches have to follow these new ten commandments, to be initiated into the order. Any previous tablets made, he could break. Like tablets that followed a sith law.

    • August 26, 2015 at 3:17 am
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      Oh boy, religious dogma.

      • August 27, 2015 at 8:48 am
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        The ‘Jedi code’ was often alluded to in SW Literature( EU).
        Before it was lost.

        I think some of you commenters can benefit from the now forgotten “Jedi Code” of the Ancient forgotten scribes (SW EU Authors) and how they observed and understood the role of the Jedi!

        “There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.”

  • August 25, 2015 at 11:44 pm
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    Happu luke year! Soon to be 2016!

  • August 25, 2015 at 11:45 pm
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    Think outside the box – think ‘Mystery Box’!
    “To be, or not to be, that is the question”, or is it?

  • August 25, 2015 at 11:47 pm
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    Plaugeis confirmed.

  • August 25, 2015 at 11:56 pm
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    I appreciate the time you put into this.

    I’m in the camp of Luke Skywalker worship. To me he is Star Wars, and when I read MSW report that he was in one scene, I was disappointed.

    But the more I thought about it the more it seems like a risky move, but perfect–introduce the new cast while giving Han a send off (it seems like he’s a major part of the film) and don’t crowd a movie that has to establish new characters and give respect to the old. Then keep Luke as a major presence (the whole plot revolves around him without him being there) and then let him become a huge part of Episode 8 & 9, giving him a bigger arc.
    I know we all wanted to see Luke do some Force Unleashed shit and be awesome, and I think we will down the road, but Episode VII was probably very tricky to write well, and I’d rather have the potential to get more Luke in 8 & 9 then have the old cast appear in 7 and then it become all about the new cast.

    Even if you don’t believe/like MSW or their reported leaks, at the very least, keep them in mind. Because I think it’s highly possible that if they’re right, Abrams, Kasdan, and Kennedy put together a film that will satisfy ultimately and make us ready for more. And if MSW is wrong, and there’s a ton of Luke, but you went into the theaters not expecting it, you’ll be pleasantly surprised.

    • August 26, 2015 at 1:31 am
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      This x 1000

    • August 26, 2015 at 2:05 am
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      Finally, some sensibility in this sea of madness.

    • August 26, 2015 at 4:55 am
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      No it will be retarded if Luke doesn’t have a good role there is no way to make it ok that he has a bs cameo in the movie it is not a genius risk move it is a horrible screw you to the fans

      • August 26, 2015 at 9:14 pm
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        Yes, the sole purpose for Disney, Lucasfilm, JJ Abrams, and Kathleen Kennedy is to screw over Star Wars fans. Sheesh. This mentality is so ridiculous.

  • August 25, 2015 at 11:56 pm
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    Tuesday?

  • August 26, 2015 at 12:03 am
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    I’m hoping your right about Luke.

  • August 26, 2015 at 12:03 am
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    Not reading anything about the movie plot once October rolls around.

  • August 26, 2015 at 12:05 am
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    This would be great! Establish the new generation at the beginning, then connect it back to the characters in the larger mythos by the end. The Skywalker family should be at the center of the plot, methinks.. I’m happy to get a new Star Wars trilogy either way, but for me, I’d love to see Hamill back in a significant role.

  • August 26, 2015 at 12:13 am
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    I hope you’re right Pomojema. This is a much better amount of Luke. I honestly will be upset if he is just in a cameo for the final scene. He is the whole reason there is a continuing story to tell.

  • August 26, 2015 at 12:13 am
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    If these rumors are true than the force awakens sounds like it’s going to be pure AWESOMENESS.

  • August 26, 2015 at 12:13 am
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    I really dont mind if Luke has limited screen time like MSW reported because he’ll clearly be playing a big part in episodes 8 & 9 and he is a massive vocal point of the new trilogy if the rumours are to be believed, plus id rather him be given justice than shoehorned into Hans last hurrah and the introduction of so many new things and characters, that being said it makes no sense to me that Mark would be made to go through the hassle of losing weight and growing a beard for such a small amount of screen time. Also it seems like a massive risk for Disney to give him a small role because the immediate reaction from a lot fans will likely be outrage and anger even if the rest of the film is awesome.

  • August 26, 2015 at 12:13 am
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    I’m pretty sure Luke fights Kylo Ren near the end, & that he’ll be a hidden mover and shaker for much of the movie- I wonder how convincing that younger Luke flashback will be?-great article!

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      The flashback Luke concerns me the most out of any of this…Not because it is a flashback, I just think it will be very easy the flub up the scene. I’d prefer they left young Luke out if this.

      Hoping for the best tho!

      • August 27, 2015 at 12:37 am
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        Guess you haven’t see how well they made Michael Douglas 25 years younger in an early scene in ANT-MAN

  • August 26, 2015 at 12:16 am
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    Sorry, I believe MSW is right on the money. Abrams has said from day 1 that his Star Wars is about the new generation. To set up the entire third act of the film so that Luke is again the hero, that he is the one who has to jump in and save the new heroes, would be akin to Yoda flying into the trench and telling Luke to step aside while he destroys the Death Star.

    For this film and these characters to do what has to be done, Luke MUST be a peripheral character.

    If this bothers you so deeply you can’t enjoy the new canon there’s a ton of great EU material out there. I’m not even being snarky. I’m not really sure how I feel about the new canon and might still decide to just live as though Star Wars totally ended in 2013. Long live the EU!

    • August 26, 2015 at 2:48 am
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      On the surface I would agree with your logic if it weren’t for JJ’s comments about being brought into the fold to answer the question “who is Luke Skywalker?” That really flies in the face of the MSW take on this.

      So JJ comes on board after that conversation about Luke that excited him so much and proceeds to write a script which nearly excludes Luke? That is the part that makes no sense and gives me hope that Luke has a little more to do in this movie then get handed a lightsaber.

  • August 26, 2015 at 12:17 am
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    As much as I want to believe this, I cannot. Everything we’ve seen and heard supports the Making Star Wars outline. And, nothing suports this speculation.

    • August 26, 2015 at 3:06 am
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      MSW’s stuff is supported… for the first two acts of the movie. Very little has actually been unveiled about the third act (while the first and second acts have been shown front-and-center), which is why it’s worth questioning. We don’t have a true frame of reference for it from the marketing, and I suspect that the marketers will keep mum about it until after the movie comes out.

      • August 26, 2015 at 4:12 am
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        Yeah… but, if you agree that MSW’s outline for the first 2 acts seems to be spot on based on everything we’ve seen and learned, why would you question the validity of their 3rd act summary? Just because? To me, this is like religion in that you need to either believe everything your religion says is true or none of it. You can’t pick and choose what to believe despite evidence just because you have decided that you don’t like part of it. Until MSW is disproven or contradicted by official info or footage, I will continue to assume that it’s all accurate.

        • August 26, 2015 at 5:39 am
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          So you won’t pick and choose from the MSW report. Just take it on faith that the 3rd act is all right too? That sounds more like blind religious devotion to me…

        • August 26, 2015 at 11:01 am
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          Ever thought about the possibility that Luke is not hiding but that he is either on the run or actively looking for Kylo/Snoke?
          What if the scene in the second trailer is Luke arriving on “Jakku”, seeing what Kylo did to the village? Maybe he is out there to stop him and when the heroes reach the snow planet he is following them and he turns up there when Kylo Ren is fighting them?

          Imagine this: Kylo Ren is a Knight of Ren, he is trained in using a lightsaber and the Force and two people who just found a lightsaber and have no understanding of the Force have to duel him – and beat him? Really?

  • August 26, 2015 at 12:17 am
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    You guys here do a good job thank you for all your work you do. Star wars is awesome.

  • August 26, 2015 at 12:25 am
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    “So the idea of ending the movie right when they find him seems hugely anti-climactic.”

    … whAT? That’s a huge bloody climax to see a character the whole film has been leading up to!

    • August 26, 2015 at 12:52 am
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      Exactly. It’s great story telling. Which is why it will happen because these are real story tellers making the movie not fanboys coming up with ridiculous scenarios straight out of video games.

    • August 26, 2015 at 3:02 am
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      There’s no resolution in the alleged ending. Nobody would get to do anything with what they’ve spent the entire movie trying to learn, unlike in ANH. That’s my point.

      • August 26, 2015 at 1:07 pm
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        ANH was written as a stand alone movie. It wasn’t until it was a success that Lucas decided he could continue the story with ESB and ROTJ. The ESB ending left everyone hanging by a thread, with so many questions, and this movie is generally regarded as the best. TFA will mimick ESB for this reason…

  • August 26, 2015 at 12:26 am
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    Luke’s the only reason I’m watching this movie!! hope we see him wield his green lightsaber again!! also the scenes filmed featured a bearded Luke!! and then shortly after a photo of Mark on set said that he shaved to shoot the last scenes of the movie … so!!?

  • August 26, 2015 at 12:29 am
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    What annoys me about Jason Ward’s speculations is that he makes these assumptions from production documents, without having a clue how film productions actually operate. I haven’t believed his “Skywalker only in one scene” nonsense since the beginning.

  • August 26, 2015 at 12:32 am
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    Nice bit of speculation P-J…

    It appears that the search for Skywalker, continues. A nod towards Vader, if there ever was going to be one.

  • August 26, 2015 at 12:39 am
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    You guys have been pretty spot on with your articles in the past, as evident from what has been released in the teaser trailers. Is it possible that Luke does not kill Kylo Ren as doing so would be an act of hatred or revenge for Ren killing Han Solo?

    You mention the flashback scenes include Bespin. The D23 poster has what looks to be the Cloud City Carbon Chamber. J.J. Abrahams stated there were clues in the poster. I still believe that Finn with the lightsaber in his hand is very much a red herring; maybe he is forced to defend himself and his companions with it.

    Great article.

  • August 26, 2015 at 12:41 am
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    “Luke apparently fights as if he is spiritually possessed by the Force itself – and while he is powerful, his abilities aren’t described as being insanely overpowered.”
    Awesome, I wish they would have done the same with Yoda in the PT.

    • August 26, 2015 at 3:07 am
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      Huh?

    • August 26, 2015 at 5:22 am
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      I’m with you on this. I’m even hoping Luke doesn’t fire up a lightsaber, but manages to take out the opposition just using the Force.

  • August 26, 2015 at 12:50 am
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    I’m so happy you are putting this out there so, when the movie doesn’t do any of this, and MSW ends up right… yet again, you will have to eat major crow. Because you will… because this is fan-fiction and I’m starting to doubt your sources entirely.

    • August 26, 2015 at 12:58 am
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      Get in the sea

    • August 26, 2015 at 1:09 am
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      If it will make you happy I can eat one right now.
      I will tell you just one fact. I’ve seen Luke wearing 3 different costumes in TFA, and these were not concepts. Of course they could all be flashbacks, but it’s enough to be more than just a minute at the end of the movie.

      • August 26, 2015 at 2:15 am
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        Hey Viral, could you elaborate on Luke’s 3 different costumes? Not trolling, big fan on the site man! This article gave me renewed hope

        • August 26, 2015 at 2:57 am
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          +1

          I hope you guys share this with us at some point. 🙂

  • August 26, 2015 at 12:53 am
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    While I’d love to see ALOT of the original cast, Its looking like we may not. Not much has been said about Leia & her role in things or her use of the force (if any).
    Remember that luke reached out to her after his Bespin duel with vader

  • August 26, 2015 at 12:53 am
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    Has anybody considered that jaku mind the spelling is actually the surface of bespin that would explain how the lightsaber is found and also if there are clues in the poster it points to this also

    • August 26, 2015 at 12:57 am
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      The surface of Bespin is totally uninhabitable. It’s a gaseous planet.

      • August 26, 2015 at 1:00 am
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        Open your mind dude could make sense

        • August 26, 2015 at 4:22 am
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          No, it couldn’t make sense at all. Bespin HAS NO SURFACE as it is A GAS GIANT. Planets like this are MADE UP OF GASSES NOT SOLIDS. There is NO feasible way for this to not be a dumbass idea. Lay off the drugs.

          • August 27, 2015 at 8:40 am
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            So you’ve been to every planet in our universe to know that?

            If there are billions upon billions of star systems out there… and if you can imagine something theoretically possible, then it probably CAN exist. Were talking about billions of possibilities here . Not everything should revolve around our limited inter-galactic mentality. Let alone our terrestrial-centric and limited scientific capabilities that hinder our imagination.
            THINK ABOUT IT……

    • August 26, 2015 at 3:37 am
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      …then why wouldn’t it be called Bespin?

      Bespin has been established as a gas giant canonically, hence the gas mining.

  • August 26, 2015 at 1:00 am
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    I think Mr Abrams and Mr Kasdan may be creating problems suggesting Luke is in hiding. It seems unlikely Luke would be hiding for many years given the rumor Leia is leading the resistance against the First Order. Luke would want to help his sister, not be stuck in some castle or cave?!

    I feel the idea of Luke totally alone, isolated, may not work in the context of the overall storyline. Let’s hope Abrams/Kasdan have seen sense and Luke does return to fight Kylo Ren. I think it’s IMPERATIVE Luke has a hero’s return. That’s what fans want to see. Luke returning to help his friends, to save the day. 🙂

    • August 26, 2015 at 1:12 am
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      Nope.

  • August 26, 2015 at 1:08 am
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    Thanks for the great articles/speculating/etc – your site is the first thing I check when I get my lazy arse outta bed and having coffee

  • August 26, 2015 at 1:10 am
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    I know the idea of having a flashback sequence has some people’s panties in a twist, but I think it could be brilliant and a lot of fun (if done right). After all, ‘Empire’ had a slow-motion hallucination sequence in a cave, so for anyone to say that this-or-that just isn’t ‘Star Wars’ enough is totally unfounded.

    Star Wars is whatever it needs to be. I think a film that takes place 30 years after the previous installment has some justification for bringing people up to speed through a flashback.

    I’ve loved these films for nearly forty years, but I still can’t understand some of the “fans” in this franchise, and their fickle fetishes. (Wow! Say that 10 times fast.)

    • August 26, 2015 at 1:20 am
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      Flashbacks, flash forwards and flash side ways, now where have I seen that before?

    • August 26, 2015 at 1:25 am
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      May not even be flash back alone. Possibly visions of past present & future..?
      “Thru the force, things you will see, other places, the past the present old freinds long gone”

      • August 26, 2015 at 2:31 am
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        A flash back to happier days like when Luke had a normal looking mechanical hand, why the machine looking hand he’s got now?

    • August 26, 2015 at 11:32 am
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      There is no doubt that one of the worst aspects of Star Wars is some of its fans

  • August 26, 2015 at 1:18 am
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    editorials like this is what keeps me coming back to this site.

    • August 26, 2015 at 1:22 am
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      To be Star Wars, or, not to be Star Wars, that is the question?

  • August 26, 2015 at 1:28 am
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    Man, I just hope your speculation turns out to be true. I really hate the idea of Luke just being the McGuffin with 2 minutes screen time at the end.

    But there is hope as JJ is known to lay false tracks with trailers and rumors. He did this with Star Trek into darkness quite a bit trying to hide that Cumberbatch is really Kahn. Seems to me he is trying to apply the same pattern here?

    • August 26, 2015 at 5:14 am
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      2 minutes of screen time at the end…? If MSW’s outline is accurate, it’s ONE SHOT at the end. …So, brace yourself for like 5 or 10 seconds at most, probably. People will throw popcorn at the screen. But, I’m reluctantly accepting it as a likelihood.

  • August 26, 2015 at 1:30 am
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    What has kept me skeptical of the MSW report despite their record of being right was that Hamill was on set at Pinewood, played with BB8, was on the falcon, etc. The flashback scene wouldn’t involve the Falcon or BB8 and it doesn’t take all that to just receive a lightsaber hand-off. Hamill has a family and more going on in his life then just to grow a beard that he hates and fly over to England just to hang around a set he’s not needed on and play with the props.

  • August 26, 2015 at 1:46 am
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    Well this site has been a great appetite-whetter for me and good fun and nostalgia – but it’s just getting a bit close now and I don’t want to know any more or have any more ingredients in the rumour soup. The idea of flashbacks in Star Wars really bugs me too and I don’t fancy getting another itchy feeling like this before 18/12. So I’m going cold turkey as of tonight… I hope. For a while I was able to stop reading posts with spoilers but now I’ve become weak, so cold turkey it is. Best wishes to site staff and all non-bickering commenters.

    • August 26, 2015 at 2:00 am
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      To Lee…….. For “flashback” read (PT) “Force Vision” : does that sound better now ? :o)

  • August 26, 2015 at 1:58 am
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    I’m torn…. I’d hope Luke is in TFA, or in Act III….. but narratively it would make sense to throw us the hook of the Episode VIII Hero showing up at the end of Episode VII ; not to mention a Han-in-Carbonite type cliff-hanger where we had to wait THREE YEARS to find out what happened to a hero character !

  • August 26, 2015 at 2:03 am
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    I wouldn’t care at all about Luke’s limited screen time unless the rumors of han’s demise are true. I wanted the Big 3 to share the screen one last time. Otherwise I am happy to have luke take a back seat.

    The reason I like your theory is because we know there is very likely to be a lightsaber fight at the end of the film in true Star Wars fashion…but who would fight? I’m sure Finn will step up, but he seemingly JUST picked up his lightsaber and would get his butt handed to him in a duel with a vet like Ren who may have bested luke in a flashback. I think it will be finn and luke vs Kylo and Rey, Poe and Han racing to stop the “Superweapon”. That way we would be cutting back and forth between battles like in RotJ

  • August 26, 2015 at 2:08 am
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    With regards to this report… there’s a major contradiction to what everyone already agrees upon. The whole point is to go find Luke – which happens at the very end. Why do that if you already found him and were fighting side-by-side with him??? If Luke is around and fighting at the end of the movie — then why would all of the other “good guy” characters be deciphering code about the lightsaber and trying to find him…? Why would Rey fly to that planet at the end and climb the steps to hand Luke his lightsaber at the end if they have already met him and he was already around. Not buying it AT ALL – as much as I’d love to.

    • August 26, 2015 at 3:21 am
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      “then why would all of the other “good guy” characters be deciphering code about the lightsaber and trying to find him…?”

      MSW has admitted that that’s largely an educated guess on their part. As far as the call sheets they’ve released have shown, the only scene that takes place after the last battle that they have is the scene of Rey approaching Luke – which doesn’t necessarily confirm that that is Luke’s only scene in the present.

    • August 26, 2015 at 3:32 am
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      I’m putting my money on this… Some of these rumors about ‘deciphering Luke’s location’ are probably false. Considering the history of Star Wars, my hunch is that R2D2 is once again the man with the plan… considering Han, Rey, Finn, and co. go to wherever this resistance base is to meet General Leia Organa, and subsequently R2D2 and C3PO, R2 becomes alerted to the new events, the eminence of the First Order, Kylo Ren, etc. R2D2, being ‘the man’, knows exactly where Luke is and is probably the only one who knows, and once he becomes aware of these new events he likely would sneak away, hop in an X Wing, and fly out to Luke. It’s the first ‘sensible’ thought that comes to mind to explain the quick R2 & Luke shot in the trailer. This could quite possibly lead to this ‘Hero Intervention’ that some speculate on. …………..End Of Line……….

    • August 26, 2015 at 5:40 am
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      i’m guessing here- but it seems highly likely that the movie will cut to Luke meditating or Luke being a shadowy figure doing shady things- and then he will be revealed as Luke at the end-

      that sounds weak but it DOES seem like they are trying to hide Luke from the marketing. Not so much to keep him hidden but to reveal what they want to reveal when they want to reveal it- I think there will be a “who is luke skywalker” type marketing push in november and early dec.

  • August 26, 2015 at 2:46 am
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    A flashback is when you take scenes from a previously released episode and cut it into a new episode for story-line context. So unless there is a piece of episode 1-6 remastered and put into TFA then there is no flashback.

    If they are filming something for the new Star Wars that tells a story about something we, the audience, require for context to fill in the gaps of the last 30 years you can’t really call that a flashback.

    It would be like saying the cartooned story of the three brothers in The Deathly Hallows Part One was a flashback. It was new information about something that happened in the past.

    A flashback is old information being reiterated for those who may not have been following the story closely. Since what we learn in this historical sequence will be new information then it cannot be called a flashback.

    • August 26, 2015 at 3:01 am
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      flashback

      noun: flashback; plural noun: flashbacks

      a scene in a movie, novel, etc., set in a time earlier than the main story.

    • August 26, 2015 at 3:07 am
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      WTF!

    • August 26, 2015 at 4:18 am
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      You are dead wrong. A flashback is jumping to a timeframe prior to the main narrative. The timeframe of the narrative is all that matters; It doesn’t have to be from a previous episode. The idea of a flashback not only predates film, but the notion of “sequels” altogether.

      Thanks for trying

      • August 27, 2015 at 11:18 pm
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        Thank you for straightening me out. I shall stop calling episodes 1-3 prequels and start calling them flashbacks.

        lol

  • August 26, 2015 at 2:46 am
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    Ok hear me out, my theory is that Luke has become a “Sui Generis” in Force and has somehow learned how to use BOTH sides of the it. He goes in hiding to learn how to control it but thing is that it has changed him as a person as well. Kinda like what Naruto Uzumaki went through.

    I’m thinking that the flashback scene with Luke is when he was still a Jedi, but I think the pic of the masked cyborg with Vader’s helmet is…Luke.

  • August 26, 2015 at 2:53 am
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    FYI regarding Maz… Being able to use the force to touch an object and glimpse past events of the person it belonged to is a legitimate force ability. Jedi Knight Quinlan Vos had this ability in The Clone Wars and Dark Disciple.

    • August 26, 2015 at 3:24 am
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      Exactly! While I don’t think that J. J. Abrams or Lawrence Kasdan would have necessarily watched TCW before writing the movie, I don’t think there’s any reason why they couldn’t have another character use the same power when it has a history of being used within the myths of various cultures.

      • August 26, 2015 at 5:30 am
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        Although I haven’t read it, didn’t one of the recent comics have Darth Vader using the Force to find out about Luke and Obi Wan by visiting their homes on Tattoine?

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          You are referring to issue #7 of the Darth Vader series. In this issue, Vader visits Kenobi’s hut on Tatooine to find clues about Luke’s training. He sees signs of a struggle inside the hut and as he touches the lightsaber slash on the wall and sees blaster marks, we get a flashback panel of Luke fighting Boba Fett inside the hut from issue #6 of Star Wars. It seems to me like Vader is using deductive reasoning more than the actual ability to see the past event with the force. He knows what went down inside the hut as he was the one who sent Boba Fett after the boy. It is possible that he did see the event as it has been established that through the force one can see events past and future. However, in this case, I don’t think he is using a force ability like Vos to glimpse into the past. In context, it feels more like he is just surmising what took place in the hut using what he knows already and some detective skills. I think the flashback panels are to show readers what happened before.

  • August 26, 2015 at 3:20 am
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    I’m actually kind of interested to see exactly where this is all going. And to be fair I think the back flash sequences are really going to help the movie as far as helping everybody to understand what is been happening in the last 30 years and how the story has reached the point where it will be. I’m as big a fan of Luke like anybody however with this being the first movie of a new trilogy I don’t think it would be wise to overuses character , especially if it’s going to have something major it down the road

  • August 26, 2015 at 3:37 am
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    Might as well tell us the info your going to tell about in the podcast tomorrow because I can’t stand listening to upward inflection guy

  • August 26, 2015 at 3:52 am
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    Great article.

  • August 26, 2015 at 4:34 am
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    Mentioned JW one too many times.

  • August 26, 2015 at 5:01 am
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    MSW= Mis-derection Star Wars

  • August 26, 2015 at 5:04 am
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    Have any of you seen ANT-MAN? Michael Douglas has the beginning scene in it where he is seen 25 years younger via digital effects and it is amazing. I think they may do the same with Mark by making him look younger for that scene.

  • August 26, 2015 at 5:36 am
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    Postings like this is really where this site fails. Ok, post news, great, we really appreciate it, but an “editorial” here is just a waste. Many fans take what this site post as the gospel so throwing out vague theories or even trying to dispute other vague theories without giving any facts at all to support an argument is simply misleading and weak.

    Such as this “resting his hand on R2-D2” – Ok, its most likely Luke but can that be presented as a fact yet? No. If you are going to do an article like this than you should really have a section at the bottom where sources are cited.

    This whole thing comes of to me as unfocused speculative fanboy dribble- which maybe that is what it is supposed to be? but it just doesn’t seem like as much thought went into the posting as the author thinks he/she put into it.

    • August 26, 2015 at 6:27 am
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      RE: Speculation.

    • August 26, 2015 at 6:31 am
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      Ooooh be careful James. This is NOT the site where you want to upset the status quo, especially where an Admin is involved hehe…

      There are some “sensitivities” here that don’t take too kindly to being disagreed with or countered.

      From this site’s inception, it has been a cobbled together range of so-called rumors, guesses, speculations and just flat out gobbledy gook news to entertain an insatiably rabid element of the SW fan community that fancies such style of reporting because December can’t get here fast enough for them lol. JJ locked this story into the mystery box very tightly, and this site’s info or lack thereof is the result of it lol.

      • August 26, 2015 at 10:41 am
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        And yet, we gave you 7 production photos from the movie with 7 different characters, and the first leak from Pinewood…

        • August 26, 2015 at 11:39 am
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          Now, now, VH, lets not go getting all defensive about a certain point of view of the reality of the situation. Production photos are nice and all but lets not pretend that most of those so-called leaks (if you can truly call them that) originate from sources within SW7N’s media operations, and/or are not shared or sourced from other so-called spoiler sites first (such as MSW and SWU).

          Also, let’s not pretend that any of this data gives a reader any solid or concrete information about the plot of the film. Sure, we can speculate all day long, but has anything really been learned or accomplished afterward? In-so-far, the most substantial info about the film, this trilogy and the spin-offs has come from the creators of the said projects, themselves, via designated media outlets that they are in league with. Just because you keep a watchful eye on that reporting, doesn’t mean you’re doing or accomplishing ANYTHING particularly special in what you report and/or post. Regurgitation of INFORMATION isn’t outstanding journalism by any stretch of any reasonable person’s imagination. In that vein, I’m glad that “james” made his post in this thread. He wasn’t exactly “hating” on what’s going on here, but he was pointing out some very salient truth about the so-called “news” that is being reported here (-even if he was just stating what should be considered the “obvious”).

          And let’s not kid ourselves about what MOST folks are actually frequenting (religiously) this site, and, others like it, for- SPOILERS- about Ep 7 (in particular), along with the other films in the pipeline. With the way that Disney/LF is handling the production and secrecy of this film, nothing- and I do mean- NOTHING can or should truly be considered a “spoiler” because none of the speculation has been rooted in hardcore fact with evidence. Most everyone here, and, everywhere else on the net, understands the term and notion of “clickbait”, and, for the most part they accept it as part of the game of the hunt, so, there’s no need to get all indignant about it when it’s called out for what it is when it’s validly presented. Just accept the truth- that you already know it to be- with grace, and keep it moving. Your readership isn’t gonna automatically dimenish completely, overnight, just because someone that’s partially frustrated about a half-assed presentation of information, comes in and states an obvious. Everybody’s standing in line waiting to get info and waiting to see this film and the new set of movies all the same. Exercise some grace and dignity about your journalistic position in this process. BUT, whatever you do, stop.getting.into.your.feelings.about.it. It’s not what your position calls for.

          • August 26, 2015 at 12:50 pm
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            Well, sorry to disappoint some of you guys, but we will continue to report such rumors that we’ve heard from sources. The article was clear that we’ve heard these from several sources, and we have a reason to believe in them. Also this article has info that is 100% legit and was not discussed before, but we intentionally didn’t stress on it. Of course the rumor part might not pan out, but that’s what rumors are – you never know. I can assure you that we’re not making things up just for the clicks.

          • August 26, 2015 at 1:33 pm
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            Just the way kids are these days…

          • August 27, 2015 at 8:29 am
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            This site, Like it or not… tops all the other sites because it attracts fans and trolls alike. It Keeps them interested and fed in the ways of SW!! Spoiler authenticity or not, i think it does a service to the Property because the fandom is moving and growing quickly.

            1. SW7news.com
            2. SW Underworld.com
            3. The force.net

            This Site has the feel of the old Jedi.net and Supershadow.com rolled into one.
            Congrats!!

      • August 26, 2015 at 5:32 pm
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        Go away “embarrassed”, why are you even here?

  • August 26, 2015 at 7:06 am
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    Thanks, man. Always enjoy these editorial musings. You’re doing a great job with this site.

  • August 26, 2015 at 8:20 am
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    It is possible that Luke could pop out in the middle of the movie and then the adventures really begin….. im just going by what Mark Hamill said himself…. he said that when filming it was crazy for him and others that had to always hide in blankets, etc from drones while they were getting ready to shoot some film… we do know him and Daisy was on that island filming a couple days… but, he also was filming scenes inside the studio many times… so i doubt if we see Luke in just one scene cause that will suk badly for many fans…..

    • August 26, 2015 at 8:14 pm
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      Luke popped out at the end of E III

  • August 26, 2015 at 8:26 am
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    I think the OT figures from Hasbro just happen to be good sellers and Hasbro loves repacks, so I don’t think they have anything to do with the film.

  • August 26, 2015 at 8:27 am
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    LUKE FOUNDED THE KNIGHTS OF REN AND THATS HOW KYLO LEARNED ABOUT VADER AND THEN KYLO WENT ROGUE ALL CAPS BAM SOLVED IT

    • August 27, 2015 at 1:17 pm
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      If Luke trained Kylo then why is Kylo’s lightsaber so lame?…

  • August 26, 2015 at 9:04 am
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    “I am a LADY. Like my Mother, before me!”

    And there you have it- MYSTERY solved. Luke was like a multi-gold medal winning Olympian after destroying the first Death Star and then redeeming his father from the Dark Side. But, over time, he grew increasingly tired of forcing himself to heed old Obi-wan’s advice about “Burying his feelings deep down”, and thusly went into a long seclusion. He sensed that the galaxy had a long way to go before it would be ready to accept who he really was. Now, the galaxy is in desperate need of his prowess with the Force once again. However, similar to other famous figures that broke through a similar dilemna, there were some things of his former self that he decided he just couldn’t part with, chiefly, his beard.

    It’s ok to get some sleep now folks. We now know the big reveal.

    {{ Disclaimer: This theory is just as credible as any of the other horse shit theories that have been hypothesized thus far ^_- }}

  • August 26, 2015 at 9:14 am
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    When will the next trailer be released?

    • August 26, 2015 at 10:47 pm
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      October

  • August 26, 2015 at 9:17 am
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    I wouldn’t worry about the flashback sequences involving the Young Luke. The idea of a Young Luke being in the moive in such sequences has been talked about sine the movie first went into production so I kind of always believed it. Technology nowadays is a marvel, and a good example of this — if you’ll exuse the pun — is Ant-Man’s opening scene. Essentially they used a body double and CGI to turn the clock back on Michael Douglas and literally make him look like he walked right out of shooting scenes in Wallstreet. I have no doubt these scenes will be great and honestly I’m looking forward to finding out what Luke was up to.

  • August 26, 2015 at 9:39 am
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    Very well-written and thoughtful article, Pomojema. In one of the earliest articles when filming first started, wasn’t it JJ or Kasdan that noted the first script didn’t have enough Luke, Han and Leia, and the new script rectified that, with Han being a major character? JJ and Kathleen are very smart film makers, and I can’t imagine they won’t spotlight our OT favorites, too. I really need to see Luke, Han and Leia in at least one scene together, even if it’s a bittersweet one. Overall, great article…. Gives me hope!

  • August 26, 2015 at 9:58 am
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    Long read, gave up a bit early and haven’t read the comments.. But Mark Hamil was shooting kings men in England around that period so….

  • August 26, 2015 at 10:12 am
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    I would speculate Finn is a Calrissian, or just someone from Bespin, and he has Lukes/Anakins saber. An Ugnaught found it ha ha. Perhaps he joins the First Order as a foot soldier. Kylo finds out about Finn, hunts him down for the saber. Then again I have a had a couple of whiskey’s.

    • August 27, 2015 at 1:32 pm
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      I had a similar thought after una bong’o…

  • August 26, 2015 at 10:53 am
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    Wednesday?

  • August 26, 2015 at 11:38 am
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    “To me, this development doesn’t have a pay-off and instead screams “See you in a year and a half for Episode VIII!” like a post-credits scene would. This does not seem like the kind of thing that J. J. Abrams would want to do as a filmmaker.”

    I have to say he did do exactly this with Lost Series 1. They spend the whole series building up to the Hatch being opened and as soon as they open it, it leads to darkness and no reveal. What a waste of time. I quit watching directly after that.

    • August 26, 2015 at 1:10 pm
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      Worst idea I’ve heard in a long time… Lost happens to be some of the best story telling on tv in the past 15 years.

    • August 26, 2015 at 8:23 pm
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      JJ didn’t have much to do with the story telling of Lost after the pilot episode,it was all down to Carlton Cuse and Dammon Lindelof.

    • August 26, 2015 at 10:14 pm
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      You should of kept watching,the revelation of who was down there and why had a big impact on what was to come later on in the series.
      You missed out on one of the most inventive and intriguing series on TV.

  • August 26, 2015 at 5:15 pm
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    Luke with Starkiller like power?

  • August 26, 2015 at 5:24 pm
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    Oh Mooey Mooey. Mesa love you Mark Hamil
    Mark love Jar Jar too
    🙂

  • August 26, 2015 at 7:30 pm
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    I’ve always thought it would be foolish for for the filmmakers not to have a huge reveal for Luke Skywalker in this movie at a moment that would have everyone in the theatre rocking out and cheering.

    I get all the arguments about story and they should tell the story they want to tell.

    However, if Luke doesn’t show up and save our heroes in the end, it would be a missed opportunity in creating one of the most special moments in a movie theatre – Luke showing up with lightsaber in hand would bring the house down. I don’t think Abrams is stupid – my opinion – Luke shows up to fend off Kylo.

  • August 26, 2015 at 10:20 pm
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    What to expect from the TFA, take the best plot, action elements from ANH,combine them with said plot, action from TEPSB, and BINGO.

    I wan’t people to remember this post when they walk out of the theatre in December.

    • August 27, 2015 at 1:37 pm
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      Yes, we will remember The Empire Probably Strikes Back reference for certain… thanks!

  • August 28, 2015 at 4:41 am
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    I still think Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher are still too overweight to do action sequences. Which is too bad because I would have liked to see a little bit of them in action, even at this stage without it looking cheesy.

  • September 3, 2015 at 10:59 pm
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    Sounds good to me.

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