Updated: Star Wars: The Last Jedi Dominates the Holiday Box Office Yet Falls Short of Expectations

Star Wars is still king of the cinema this holiday season, but The Last Jedi has struggled to keep up with the box office expectations set by its predecessors. Various reports like those from Forbes and Variety have attempted to shine some light on the successes and shortcomings of the new Star Wars sequel.

 

There is no denying that The Last Jedi is a successful film by movie-going standards, but in light of the other Star Wars movies, it doesn’t seem to have the same set of legs. There are a few factors that may explain the movie’s epic drop in its second week that other Star Wars films were not affected by, and it remains to be seen if the movie will have the longevity of the previous Star Wars titles.

 

As of this past holiday weekend, Star Wars: The Last Jedi will have grossed around $400 million domestically in the U.S. (compare that to The Force Awakens‘ take of $571 million in about the same amount of time) and $800 million internationally. This is no small accomplishment, as The Last Jedi dominates the 2017 Christmas box office. However, as Forbes points out, the new Star Wars movie has had to contend with some other tent pole features this year like the well-reviewed, kid-friendly Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle and Universal/Comcast Corp.’s Pitch Perfect which also took a couple of big slices of the Christmas pie.

 

 

The Last Jedi may have dropped less than projected in its second week, but it has still managed to break the record for the highest second weekend drop ever at over $151 million. No doubt the outcry against the movie by some of the franchise’s fans on social media has negatively affected its box office take by some degree, but just how much this will affect the film’s overall performance is unknown. While sites like Rotten Tomatoes depict an audience that is virtually split down the middle between those who hated the movie and those who loved it, we discovered in a recent poll of our own that (at least with readers of SWNN) there were a lot more who enjoyed the film than those that didn’t – with the results showing 70% rating the movie 8/10 or higher.

 

To sum it up, The Last Jedi is both a financial success and failure, with the box office ironically reflecting the feelings of many fans regarding the movie itself – loving some things and hating others. Of course, many others might just be like me and have been unable to visit the cinema for a repeat viewing of the movie due to sickness, holiday busyness, or just life in general. It will be interesting to see how the movie will perform when all is said and done.

 

 

 

Update:

 

After closer examination of the numbers myself, I noticed that some of the statements made about The Last Jedi and its financial take over its two week run may be slightly skewed. The only real news here seems to be the simple fact that the movie dropped so dramatically from the film’s opening weekend to the holiday weekend (which may or may not really mean much in the end). If you look at the numbers for The Last Jedi against those of The Force Awakens and Rogue Oneit’s pretty clear that The Last Jedi didn’t really face any tougher opposition than either of the two previous films had to contend with.

 

 

Another thing to consider is that the numbers for The Last Jedi from Box Office Mojo do not consider the earnings for Christmas Day, which is estimated to bring the earnings for the four day weekend (if you count the holiday on Monday) up to around $100 million. I think this might put things in perspective a little better, when you consider that people actually had an extra day to watch this movie over the weekend, and those numbers haven’t officially been counted yet. Where the holiday fell on the calendar this year might be affecting these numbers quite a bit.

 

The sequel definitely made a lot less in its second week than The Force Awakens, but it made a little more than Rogue One. The difference is that The Last Jedi made significantly more than Rogue One during its opening weekend, and because of this, the drop off is more noticeable. The Last Jedi was never going to top or even get that close to The Force Awakens. Only time will tell what kind of legs The Last Jedi will have in the end. Hopefully it will prove to be more the tortoise than the hare.

 

 

 

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Jordan Pate is Co-Lead Editor and Senior Writer for Star Wars News Net, of which he is also a member of the book and comic review team. He loves all things Star Wars, but when he's not spending time in the galaxy far far away, he might be found in our own galaxy hanging out in Gotham City or at 1407 Graymalkin Lane, Salem Center, NY.

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Jordan Pate is Co-Lead Editor and Senior Writer for Star Wars News Net, of which he is also a member of the book and comic review team. He loves all things Star Wars, but when he's not spending time in the galaxy far far away, he might be found in our own galaxy hanging out in Gotham City or at 1407 Graymalkin Lane, Salem Center, NY.

537 thoughts on “Updated: Star Wars: The Last Jedi Dominates the Holiday Box Office Yet Falls Short of Expectations

  • December 26, 2017 at 5:26 pm
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    “To sum it up, The Last Jedi is both a financial success and failure…”

    This is a ludicrous claim. It’s a failure because of a weekend vs. weekend comparison that Deadline says may not mean anything? It’s very difficult to compare weekend numbers during the holiday season.

    Overall it’s way ahead Rogue One and it’s behind The Force Awakens…. just like people were predicting. How is that a failure?

    • December 26, 2017 at 5:35 pm
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      Couple that with two family-friendly franchise movies on their first weekends that both performed well and you got yourself an explanation.

      • December 26, 2017 at 7:59 pm
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        It’s sad when Jumanji is competition for a Star Wars film.

        • December 26, 2017 at 10:12 pm
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          Was it really??? It made over 100 million it’s second weekend !! Jumanji wasn’t close to that. I have a feeling it will not drop as much the next couple weeks.

    • December 26, 2017 at 5:50 pm
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      You miss the point of the statement. It is a “failure” only in that it has failed to live up to expectations thus far. That doesn’t mean it won’t grow legs or that it is a failure as a movie. I’m just saying that it has not achieved the same success at this point as other Star Wars saga films. The financial success of The Last Jedi is obvious. I was just reporting the fact that it has dropped off more than any movie in history in its second week which is a stat that I’m sure Disney/LFL would have liked to have steered clear from. As I also pointed out though, the ultimate longevity of the movie is still unknown. No need to be defensive – I wasn’t attacking the movie, just reporting a fact. I hope it ends up doing very well and will be throwing some more of my own money at it eventually when I get the chance.

      • December 26, 2017 at 7:52 pm
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        “It is a “failure” only in that it has failed to live up to expectations thus far.”

        That still doesn’t make sense. What expectation? The week to week drop off is simply a misunderstanding of the box office/Christmas season.

        • December 26, 2017 at 8:38 pm
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          People imagined expectations just like Snoke’s identity

        • December 26, 2017 at 9:10 pm
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          In truth, I could care less about drop-off and all that. The point is that many had hoped it would make more money in its second weekend than it did. I think somehow Star Wars will survive. 🙂

    • December 26, 2017 at 9:24 pm
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      His statement is accurate. With the return of LUKE SKYWALKER after 34 years, this Film should be BLOWING AWAY everything at the Box Office. It IS a failure in terms of Fan Reviews (lowest RT score in SW history) and IS a failure in terms of a Box Office DROPPING at a rate that has Disney Execs sweating bullets like never before.

      • December 26, 2017 at 10:10 pm
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        Let’s give this movie it’s fricking time before we start judging it’s BO….damn, people love to cry the sky is falling. What’s the next big thing….to frickin tear down?? These sensationalist stories are all to get clicks . Social media, LIKE LUKE…….needs to die !!! LOL

        • December 26, 2017 at 10:39 pm
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          Amen to that. Kent’d have nothing to live for though.

  • December 26, 2017 at 5:47 pm
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    Weather may have also played a factor. It was very cold in much of the country this weekend, and many people got some wintery precipitation. Here in New England we got some snow, sleet and ice going into the weekend and then more than six inches of snow on Christmas Day. Certainly kept my family and I at home whereas we would normally have gone to see Star Wars again.

  • December 26, 2017 at 5:54 pm
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    TLJ is a very polarizing film as it has turned a portion of the fanbase off and that is why it is not seeing the same repeat business TFA did. This movie has the return of Luke Skywalker for the first time in 34 years, so it should be doing better in the context of a SW movie.

    In saying that, I firmly believe this movie will be reassessed better when it comes to BluRay/Streaming and fans can watch it at home and digest it better. Right now the fans have just dug in on either loving it or hating it (I’m guilty of it) and the movie has pretty much split the fanbase in half.

    • December 26, 2017 at 8:34 pm
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      Nothing against Luke, but TFA had the return of Han freakin Solo, who has always been a hugely more popular character with general audiences. So I’m sure that inflated the box office for that movie quite a bit as well.

      • December 26, 2017 at 9:14 pm
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        I disagree vehemately. While Han Solo is certainly one of the most popular Heroes of all time, I still believe the return of LUKE SKYWALKER is a bigger deal to fans, both hardcore and casual. If anything, TLJ should be doing far better than TFA.

        • December 26, 2017 at 10:06 pm
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          Sorry, but that is bad logic…TFA was huge because of a 10 yr layoff and it was kicking off a new trilogy. TLJ isn’t a great film, but it is not a bad film either. I have asked several of my coworkers who have seen it..and they ALL liked it alot, and were a bit sad about Luke. (Casual movie fans perspective) It is a portion of the die hard fans that seem to have an issue with this movie. This movie was NEVER going to break 2 billion, let alone 1.75 billion. It will do 1.4 billionish, which is still pretty good. I am curious what Solo does, just 5 months out..on opening weekend.

        • December 26, 2017 at 10:23 pm
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          General audiences care far more about Harrison Ford as Han Solo than they do about Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker.

        • December 26, 2017 at 10:41 pm
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          Biggest deal for hard-core fans, not the general movie-going audience. I believe you’re confusing the two deliberately.

        • December 28, 2017 at 4:35 am
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          That’s absolutely ridiculous. TLJ was never expected to do as well as TFA, because TFA was the first Star Wars film in 10 years,and the sequel to RotJ that took 30 years to happen. If you genuinely expected TLj to do better than the phenomenon that was TFA, you’re as cluless as everyone thinks you are. You vastly overestimate your own importance and the importance of characters you personally like. It’s called narcissism.

  • December 26, 2017 at 5:56 pm
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    We also had a standalone movie only last year, so you can’t discount the possibility of some SW fatigue setting in as well. A new SW movie probably doesn’t seem like quite the rare event it used to for many.

    • December 26, 2017 at 6:05 pm
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      Let’s not forget that ‘The Force Awakens’ was the first proper sequel in over three decades and ‘Rogue One’ the first ever cinematic ‘spin-off’. The novelty alone would attract additional audiences and repeat viewings.

    • December 26, 2017 at 6:19 pm
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      Very True. That’s what worries me about all the Star Wars movies Disney wants to churn out because each film affects so many others. Marvel is a whole universe of separate stories with separate subgroups within the fan base. So if you make a bad Incredible Hulk movie, it doesn’t hurt enthusiasm for the Spider Man films; however, you make a bad Han Solo movie, then it will make alot of people wary about future Star Wars projects (especially standalone films). Plus, Star Wars fans are use to a slower pace of production (which means slower change) than Marvel. So I worry Disney is trying too much, too fast which could cause alot of fan backlash.

      • December 26, 2017 at 7:44 pm
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        Well luckily, thanks to the Solo film coming out next May, we have all the way until Mid Dec ’19 for EpIX to allow negative opinions to cool off, should Solo generate poor reviews from critics and fans alike.

      • December 28, 2017 at 10:00 pm
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        It also doesn’t help that LF is clinging to nostalgia, even with TLJ going so much out of its way but in doing so is doing subversions of ESB and ROTJ which is fine.

        But really, as you said the Marvel Studios movies are still strong because of that diverse universe and because they are pushing the boundaries. People often attack the movies for being comedies and yeah, at times, the humor can be grating. But Kevin Feige runs a tight ship and is good to a lot of his directors.

        And those movies do innovate well while playing within their formula.

        Kathleen Kennedy, I don’t see that. And the divisiveness of TLJ showcases this in the sense that she gave Rian Johnson Carte Blanche when really she needed to hold him more accountable. Because, I find TLJ as a standalone fine, but as a sequel to The Force Awakens, it is piss poor.

        In many ways, this reminds me of Avengers to Age of Ultron which was just so jarring but worse given how interconnected the trilogy is. The MCU is very much interconnected but in a very different sense. Either way, regardless of the Box office, I hope that LF does some soul searching.

        Because, yeah; I like The Last Jedi, but the divisiveness extends way past the usual tribalistic stuff of this fandom. It goes much deeper than that.

  • December 26, 2017 at 5:59 pm
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    That poor dying kid who got to see the movie before he died, just so he could see his hero Luke Skywalker one last time… and the last thing this poor kid sees, is this horrid abomination and the tarnished hero…

    • December 26, 2017 at 6:05 pm
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      So the kid hated it then?

      • December 26, 2017 at 6:40 pm
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        LOL!!!!!!

    • December 26, 2017 at 6:08 pm
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      You really want to go there? Projecting your own feelings onto a dying child?

      • December 26, 2017 at 8:01 pm
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        Please don’t use the word “project.” It reminds me of Hologram-Luke.

        • December 26, 2017 at 8:18 pm
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          I really appreciate your attempt at levity, but I do have to disclose something rather personal in response. I have been in a children’s ward in a hospital to visit my sister some time ago. Thankfully, she had nothing life-threatening, but the glimpses I had of what other children who did have terminal illness and their families have to go through was heartbreaking.

          So please pardon me for genuinely finding it utterly deplorable that someone use dying children for their botched attempt at confirmation bias, just to bash one ruddy film they didn’t like out of an entire franchise. It begins to cross a line I am uncomfortable with.

          So please also allow me to use “project” however I see fit to express said appeal for humanity, mixed feelings about Holo-Luke be damned.

          • December 26, 2017 at 9:21 pm
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            Totally agree with all the above comments of disgust at such as a statement.

            Plus even ignoring such a revolting statement regarding a sick child, I’d like to say I took my 7 year old son to see this movie last week and he *LOVED* it. Absolutely loved it. I’ve spent 3 and a half hours today building him his Lego AT-M6 (with a few improved dad-mods to it, like I always do) that he wanted for Christmas because of it (along with the AT-ST and AT-DP so we could have a huge walker battle) and spent the rest of the day re-enacting the battles of Crait and Hoth with him. He also constantly hums Rogue One’s Imperial *Suite* whilst we play, never the Imperial March; he loves current Star Wars, it’s what he’s got into it with, it’s *his* in the same way I’m sure many OT fans feel about the originals having grown up with them in the 80s.

            And my boy is not wrong for loving them, it’s his choice and his alone.

            He’s never been a big Star Wars fan and I’d never cast my fanhood onto him, nor have I ever; it’s his life and choice of things to enjoy. It was my own personal copy of Battlefront 2015 that got him into it through enjoying Walker Assault split screen together and it steamrolled from there, literally only over the last couple of months.

            So not only never discuss a terminal child’s life in such vain, but also don’t cast your opinion onto what children you don’t know might have thought of the movie, because mine for one, loved it.

          • December 26, 2017 at 9:21 pm
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            Totally agree with all the above comments of disgust at such as a statement.

            Plus even ignoring such a revolting statement regarding a sick child, I’d like to say I took my 7 year old son to see this movie last week and he *LOVED* it. Absolutely loved it. I’ve spent 3 and a half hours today building him his Lego AT-M6 (with a few improved dad-mods to it, like I always do) that he wanted for Christmas because of it (along with the AT-ST and AT-DP so we could have a huge walker battle) and spent the rest of the day re-enacting the battles of Crait and Hoth with him. He also constantly hums Rogue One’s Imperial *Suite* whilst we play, never the Imperial March; he loves current Star Wars, it’s what he’s got into it with, it’s *his* in the same way I’m sure many OT fans feel about the originals having grown up with them in the 80s.

            And my boy is not wrong for loving them, it’s his choice and his alone.

            He’s never been a big Star Wars fan and I’d never cast my fanhood onto him, nor have I ever; it’s his life and choice of things to enjoy. It was my own personal copy of Battlefront 2015 that got him into it through enjoying Walker Assault split screen together and it steamrolled from there, literally only over the last couple of months.

            So not only never discuss a terminal child’s life in such vain, but also don’t cast your opinion onto what children you don’t know might have thought of the movie, because mine for one, loved it.

    • December 26, 2017 at 6:13 pm
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      Wow, you just found a new level of weird in expressing your displeasure. TLJ is great.

    • December 26, 2017 at 6:13 pm
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      Wow, you just found a new level of weird in expressing your displeasure. TLJ is great.

  • December 26, 2017 at 6:38 pm
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    The Force Awakens is just an outlier. I don’t think the box office of other films in the franchise should be compared to it. The Last Jedi will comfortably cross the $1B mark and that’s tremendous.

    It will be interesting to see how Disney responds though. Will they try to maximize Star Wars’ box office and just give us feel good rehashes in the future or will we get interesting stories like The Last Jedi? I hope it’s the latter.

    • December 26, 2017 at 7:04 pm
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      Hope so too!

  • December 26, 2017 at 7:00 pm
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    Here is another thought: the Last Jedi’s budget is comparable to Rogue One. At day 12 from the premiere, Last Jedi has earned 397 million, Rogue One had earned 318 million. Rogue One was considered an economic triumph. Forbes’ claims are questionable when considering this data. The Force Awakens was a unique popular culture item and no other films should be compared to it. Also, is there an error in this article? At day 12, TFA earned 571 million, not 936 as the article claims. Regardless, it is more revealing to compare Rogue One with Last Jedi. How is it possible for the news to report Rogue One as a success and Last Jedi as anything but the same when it is generating much more profit with a similar budget? Thanks for reading my ideas and for a great website!

    • December 26, 2017 at 8:00 pm
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      Hi John,
      Fair point. When you look at the films dollar for dollar, Last Jedi has generated more money than R1. However, the reason R1 is considered a success and TLJ a “disappointment” (a conclusion that’s too early to reach) is due to the expectations for the films. R1 is a standalone film with unknown characters. So it’s financial expectations were not nearly as high as the 2nd part of the Star Wars main series of films. Therefore, when you look at R1’s expectations versus its actual performance AND TLJ’s expectations vs. actual performance, you can see why some suits at Disney are probably happy with R1 while “concerned” about TLJ. Also, you have to add the divisive factor. R1 was liked or (at worse) given a “meh” by the fan base. On the other hand, TLJ is liked or hated by members of the fan base. You don’t build a fan base of consumers (with their $$$ for future products) by deeply dividing the fans. However, I should stress again that it’s too early to tell what the ultimate outcome is.

    • December 26, 2017 at 8:00 pm
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      Hi John,
      Fair point. When you look at the films dollar for dollar, Last Jedi has generated more money than R1. However, the reason R1 is considered a success and TLJ a “disappointment” (a conclusion that’s too early to reach) is due to the expectations for the films. R1 is a standalone film with unknown characters. So it’s financial expectations were not nearly as high as the 2nd part of the Star Wars main series of films. Therefore, when you look at R1’s expectations versus its actual performance AND TLJ’s expectations vs. actual performance, you can see why some suits at Disney are probably happy with R1 while “concerned” about TLJ. Also, you have to add the divisive factor. R1 was liked or (at worse) given a “meh” by the fan base. On the other hand, TLJ is liked or hated by members of the fan base. You don’t build a fan base of consumers (with their $$$ for future products) by deeply dividing the fans. However, I should stress again that it’s too early to tell what the ultimate outcome is.

      • December 26, 2017 at 8:37 pm
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        How can you know what expectations studio have? I only heared that they expected to get less money from opening than TLJ got.

        • December 26, 2017 at 10:18 pm
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          Good point. I don’t know the exact expectations Disney had, but I think two assumptions are safe: 1. Disney didn’t expect the film to have this level of drop off, and 2. Disney didn’t expect this much heated division. And as each of those goes to the film’s final gross, I think it’s safe to assume Disney expected things to be alittle better for TLJ.

      • December 26, 2017 at 11:22 pm
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        Hi Robert, thanks for the thoughtful reply and good ideas to think about. I have never had much confidence in the mythical expectations meme – corporations like Disney do not make public internal hopes, traditionally. The expectations of a movie that we usually read about are traditional what journalists or commentators think, not really what the studio thinks. My guess is that TLJ will be the number one film of the year, easily making more than a billion with all nations added. I don’t think anyone is unhappy with that result for a sequel. When adjusted for inflation, the Empire Strikes Back made about 68% of the original Star Wars as a fun fact and there was great vitriol by fans about the film being too different from the original and not having a real or satisfying conclusion. History, as it does, is repeating itself it appears again perhaps.

        • December 26, 2017 at 11:45 pm
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          Great comment, John. You could be right. I only have one doubt concerning the comparison of TLJ and TFA to ESB and ANH. In some ways, New Hope was a once in a lifetime movie that had so many elements working for it that nothing could ever duplicate or even come close to its level of success. After all, New Hope was the first stylish space movie (with decades of corny or poor special effect movies before it), the second(?) movie to feature Dolby surround sound, and it just came at the very best moment in the post-Vietnam haze of America. So obviously, no sequel could possibly match New Hope’s novelty, timing, money and legs where it was in movie theaters for a year and re-released in ’82 (and I believe several times later not including the special edition). Also when ESB was released in 1980, the economy was at or near it’s lowest point so funds were tight for alot of movie goers.
          I’m not so sure it was farfetched to expect TLJ to be closer to TFA in total gross than it currently is. In many ways, I thought TFA was a beatable film for fan interest (story-wise), and Johnson seemed to generate a bigger hype among diehard Star Wars fans than they had for J.J. Plus, the economy is even better than in 2015. Long story short, I don’t think anyone thought TLJ would top TFA, but I think we’re all surprised by the drop-off. Of course, it could mean nothing if the average person will go see this film for months to come, but it could spell trouble if the legs give out further. Personally, in the end, I don’t think TLJ is another ESB. I think it will be the Temple of Doom of this trilogy where some will like it, some will dislike, but after a few years of reflection, not many Star Wars fans will hate it like Crystal Skull.

          • December 27, 2017 at 1:40 am
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            Thanks Robert! Your ideas make me think about how much about movies have nothing to do with the film sometimes as much as sociological factors of the economy, etc. Thanks for the great discussion!

          • December 27, 2017 at 1:40 am
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            Thanks Robert! Your ideas make me think about how much about movies have nothing to do with the film sometimes as much as sociological factors of the economy, etc. Thanks for the great discussion!

          • December 27, 2017 at 5:10 pm
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            Glad I could contribute, and thank you for your responses. In the end, I think time will tell regarding box office receipts and the ultimate legacy of TLJ.

    • December 26, 2017 at 8:34 pm
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      Exactly. $936 for TFA is wrong number, it is overall domestic gross, not two weekends gross.

  • December 26, 2017 at 7:33 pm
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    3rd paragraph is in error. TFA was at $936 million at the end of its run. Not after its 2nd weekend.

    • December 26, 2017 at 8:59 pm
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      Thanks for the catch! The original article from Variety was a little confusing on this as it mentions TLJ’s take after two weekends and TFA’s $936m in practically the same breath. Sorry for the confusion. 🙂

    • December 26, 2017 at 7:43 pm
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      At least read the article first ..

    • December 26, 2017 at 7:47 pm
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      I thought you had fucked off.

      • December 26, 2017 at 8:42 pm
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        We can only be so lucky. I am sure we are in for a lot more comments containing witty gems like “Ruin Johnson” and “SLAY!” – god, do I hate the internet sometimes.

    • December 26, 2017 at 7:52 pm
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      Lashing out like a wounded animal.

    • December 26, 2017 at 8:10 pm
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      Yeah, you’re wrong.

      Disney was quite aware of this. This was being talked about almost a year ago. TLJ was going up against Jumanji, Pitch Perfect 3, All The Money In The World and Greatest Showman from week 2 on. This was never a secret or surprise. 60% plus drop second weekend was the prediction

  • December 26, 2017 at 8:07 pm
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    Great article but there’s another information that I think it’s very important: The Phantom Menace was a huuuuuge success because of the hype that created (with people in line a month ago and everyone absolutely crazy). Attack of the Clones fell short in expectations.

    What I mean is that nobody is pointing out that The Force Awakens may be one of the causes as well. Those regular cinemagoers that just felt a seventh episode wasn’t offering much new, may have decided not to re-visit the franchise.

    There’s a lot of #ruinedmychildhood noisy reviewers on this film, but around me I have lots of friends and family who not only loved the film but they also liked it more than VII and for the first time watched it twice in the theater.

  • December 26, 2017 at 8:25 pm
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    TLJ was great! While I don’t like how Luke was ready to slice and dice Ben Solo just because he sensed darkness in him, I enjoyed the dark story about Luke having a crisis of faith and then redeeming himself at the end with the ultimate sacrifice. It wasn’t perfect though. Canto Bight sucked, and Rey in the cave was handled very stupidly.

    • December 26, 2017 at 8:45 pm
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      I know that it’s not very likely, but I would love a standalone movie about the falling out between Luke and Ben. Much like how TCW fleshed out Anakin and Obi-Wan’s relationship and added more fuel to the fire of his dark side descent, I think a movie that focused on Luke and Ben in this time period would be really great. This would be a good opportunity to show the audience exactly what that darkness was in Ben. Maybe then we’d even be sympathetic to Luke’s choices regarding his nephew. In any case, more Luke and Kylo Ren seems like a good idea to me as I enjoyed these characters the most in TLJ. Again, this is just a personal wish and I’m not holding my breath or anything – but I would welcome it before any other standalone movie idea.

      • December 26, 2017 at 9:10 pm
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        That would be phenomenal! Just as long as Ruin Johnson isn’t in charge!

      • December 26, 2017 at 9:10 pm
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        That would be phenomenal! Just as long as Ruin Johnson isn’t in charge!

      • December 26, 2017 at 9:14 pm
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        Or as part of the live action series, with more time to work with.

        • December 26, 2017 at 9:23 pm
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          Star Wars: The Adventures of Luke and Ben (title pending) starring Mark Hamill and Adam Driver will make me subscribe to Disney’s streaming service in an instant. 🙂

          • December 26, 2017 at 9:28 pm
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            I’m in.

      • December 26, 2017 at 10:32 pm
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        Clap, clap. And you just pointed out the biggest issue that I have with The Last Jedi: Show don’t tell. To be fair, I tend to have this issue with a lot of blockbusters, even ones that I love.

        Luke being worn and defeated for me wasn’t the problem, the issue was why he went into exile. That flashback, while creative from showing it from two POVs fails because it provides still very little context. Namely, with Kylo Ren. Had the movie shown us the darkness within Kylo from the past.

        Because, from Kylo’s perspective, he is justified against turning against his uncle. Because, even with Luke’s moment of doubt; it still comes off as really disingenuous and lack of a better word, forced(no pun intended).

        Maybe, a movie would have done better. But really, knowing Rian Johnson, there should have been a Looper style flashback that went in-depth. And not fully focus on Space vegas with Finn and Rose.

        Much as I like Canto Bight.

    • December 26, 2017 at 8:47 pm
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      See, I have seen that comment about Luke being ready to kill him many places and I don’t understand it. Luke admits that he had one moment of weakness and overcame it, choosing NOT to kill Ben… which, to me, shows his humanity and is somewhat the same thing as his giving in to hate and attacking the Emperor in ROTJ. Ultimately, he quickly decided against killing Ben due to the heroic aspects of his character that we all love.

      Maybe that’s just my opinion or the way I saw it. I thought he clashed sabers out of self-defense, not as an attack.

      And I think I’m one of about 7 people who actually enjoyed the chase on the Fathiers. LOL

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        I think having a man sneak into his nephew’s room and hover over him with his sword drawn is not a good way to show his humanity…I think its a good way to show that he’s a psychopath…

        …IMO

    • December 26, 2017 at 9:15 pm
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      Rey’s cave was merely a Carnival-Mirror-Maze. Highly creative stuff from Ruin Johnson.

  • December 26, 2017 at 8:39 pm
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    If I liked TLJ, I would have seen it 4 or 5 times by now. I watched it twice, and I doubt I’ll see it again. So they’ve got less than half the money they got from me last time. That’s anecdotal, but might be a reflection of many fan experiences.

    • December 26, 2017 at 8:56 pm
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      Saw TFA 4 times, only seen TLJ once. At this point I’ll wait for Bluray and give it another try as I just have no desire to see it again in the theater.

    • December 26, 2017 at 9:08 pm
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      Precisely, my friend at the ArcLight Cinema said that with TFA, fans were coming BACK again and again — to see the film with Parents, with Kids, with GrandParents, with Friends —- but with TLJ, it feels “one and done” with the crowd 🙁

    • December 27, 2017 at 7:25 am
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      My situation, too.

  • December 26, 2017 at 8:48 pm
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    “Star Wars movie has had to contend with some other tent pole features this year like the well-reviewed, kid-friendly Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle”

    trying to say that an unwanted sequel to a 20 plus year old film is a threat to the most popular franchise in the world is pretty hilarious.

  • December 26, 2017 at 8:48 pm
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    “Star Wars movie has had to contend with some other tent pole features this year like the well-reviewed, kid-friendly Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle”

    trying to say that an unwanted sequel to a 20 plus year old film is a threat to the most popular franchise in the world is pretty hilarious.

    • December 26, 2017 at 8:57 pm
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      The fact it did well proves it is.

    • December 26, 2017 at 9:09 pm
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      What’s Jumanji? haha

  • December 26, 2017 at 8:52 pm
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    I enjoyed the movie, but I feel I likely need to see episode IX before making any real opinion on movies in this trilogy. None of us know how this will play out, things I may not like about what happened in VIII may be rectified or explained better in IX. Specifically things like Snoke’s origin. If they don’t explain this, the whole sequel trilogy goes down the tubes for me, there’s no way he was around to see the rise and fall of the empire while everyone knows Snoke’s ship when it shows up in VIII like they have tea with Snoke in the afternoon. I know Rian said that there are elements of the movie that wouldn’t make sense to the characters in the movie e.g. Yoda instead of Ben Kenobi. Rian failed to understand we are all watching a movie while the characters know things we don’t, we should be privy to information that explains what we are watching. I have no problems with the outcome of the movies. Snoke was a cowardly chump hiding away on a ship everyone recognizes. Soo looking forward to episode IX. There will likely be more appreciation for VII and VIII if IX is done right. Which is why before I go too crazy on Snoke, they have one last chance to fix it. By itself I feel both movies were cool to watch, but more is needed because there are still too many questions to be answered.

    • December 26, 2017 at 9:10 pm
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      Snoke needs something. Too bad he didn’t make reference to something in the past….the emperor, “i remember when the Jedi failed” something. Some context if not a backstory.

    • December 26, 2017 at 11:01 pm
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      I know it’s an old subject, but my response to the treatment of Snoke in TLJ was so heavily affected (for me) by the treatment of that first Rey/Kylo fight. Had Kylo won or Rey found a way to escape, then their future battles would hold greater meaning for me as Rey can still be trained and build herself up to top the already trained Kylo. But because Rey won (yes, I know Kylo was wounded but we’ve debated that before), it was like Luke beating Vader in ESB. If that had happened then the only threat to a trained Luke in ROTJ would be the Emperor just as Snoke was the only believable threat to Rey. Now, with Snoke gone, I fully expect Rey to win (and thus it’s far too predictable) and if Kylo wins, it’s not believable. Without an overall head of this Trilogy’s storyline, I worry the committee of writers have painted themselves into a corner.

  • December 26, 2017 at 9:16 pm
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    The more you have to explain a movie the better it is.

    • December 26, 2017 at 9:18 pm
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      I would disagree. The more you have to explain a movie to yourself and see it 7 more times in order to “like it” is a Red Flag. If a film requires that much work (bordering on therapy) to “like it”, then something is fundamentally awry.

      • December 26, 2017 at 9:24 pm
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        Precisely, hence the sarcasm.

        • December 26, 2017 at 9:26 pm
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          Hahaha gotcha !

  • December 26, 2017 at 9:20 pm
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    FORBES has even devoted coverage that this film’s Box
    Office is DROPPING at a rate that is alarming to all involved. From Rotten Tomatoes to Box Offices nationwide, Ruin
    Johnson has certainly set SW records…..of shame!

    • December 26, 2017 at 10:17 pm
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      Maybe you should comment and reply 10000 more times bro, I don’t think you got your points across yet on this page.

      Please go more in depth about how Ryan ruined Star Wars for you personally. And how “casual” fans “hate” it (not). Just make sure you don’t run out of lotion klenex, the really soft ones for your tender snowflake heart.

      • December 26, 2017 at 10:28 pm
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        Yeah – give us all a laugh. Keep cryin’ Kent! LOL

  • December 26, 2017 at 9:32 pm
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    I guess it’s safe to assume that it won’t even reach $700 million domestically. By no means a ‘bomb’, it’s nothing for the record books. This doesn’t bode well for Disney’s plans for releasing a new Star Wars movie every year until who knows when.

    Bottom line is this: most people are going to see these movies for the classic characters. The new characters are hardly iconic. With Han Solo dead, Carrie Fisher dead (and essentially Leia, for that matter) and more or less Luke Skywalker ‘dead’- there’s really no reason for people to rush out and see Ep. 9.

    Couple that with the movie-going audience souring on left-wing Hollywood, Kathleen Kennedy might want to rethink any plans to inject her brand of leftism into the next Star Wars movie.

    • December 26, 2017 at 9:33 pm
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      SLAY !

    • December 26, 2017 at 9:33 pm
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      SLAY !

    • December 26, 2017 at 10:25 pm
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      I feel like with The Last Jedi’s divisiveness extend beyond just its controversal choices, but really how LucasFilm didn’t really plan the sequel trilogy. And note; I liked The last Jedi a lot.

      Contrary to some, I enjoyed how much of a deconstruction it was of SWs. It isn’t the best SWs movie I have seen nor it is the worst. It’s decent. But really, when you consider The Force Awakens; it isn’t very good.

      You could argue that the mystery box elements were to blame as JJ Abrams in my view is someone who leaves them and barely gives any indicator of how he’d resolve them(hence why I am nervous as heck for Episode Nine), but really LucasFilm should have known better.

      In hindsight, if I were in charge, I would have given Rian Johnson an anthology film with this deconstruction aspect and just let Abrams finish the trilogy. For in my view, the Saga films; the Skywalker Saga should have stuck to the more romance options, while mixing some things up. And leave the experimentation to the anthology films.

    • December 26, 2017 at 11:54 pm
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      There’s only ever been two movies to surpass the $700million domestic, The Force Awakens and Avatar. Only 8 movies have ever passed the $500million.

      The Last Jedi is currently sitting at $400million domestic.

    • December 26, 2017 at 11:54 pm
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      There’s only ever been two movies to surpass the $700million domestic, The Force Awakens and Avatar. Only 8 movies have ever passed the $500million.

      The Last Jedi is currently sitting at $400million domestic.

    • December 28, 2017 at 5:15 am
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      “I guess it’s safe to assume that it won’t even reach $700 million domestically. By no means a ‘bomb’, it’s nothing for the record books.”

      Even reaching $600 million domestically would literally make it the 5th highest grossing film in all of domestic history, LIERALLY something for the record books.

  • December 26, 2017 at 9:43 pm
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    Space battles are now by rote and are hardly fresh anymore, ‘new’ planets don’t leave much of an impression- even when they aren’t rehashes of previous planets in the saga, and another ‘epic’ ground battle that really can’t hold a candle to the Battle of Hoth- it’s all been seen before. Ships more or less variations on the classic ships. More humans milling about than any aliens- I swear, I must’ve counted two (2) aliens in the Resistance in these new movies. Hell, even the Empire seemed more evil than the First Order.

    • December 26, 2017 at 9:51 pm
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      All your observations are 100% ON POINT. You brought up an interesting fact I had not even thought about — LASERS and SPACESHIPS are no longer a “rare commodity” — the film landscape has them EVERYWHERE these days. Those aren’t the “draw” they used to be — however, ICONIC OT Characters are ASSETS that can still pull in crowds from age 5 to 65…. however, they are now all dead 🙁

      • December 26, 2017 at 9:52 pm
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        TLJ could have been any generic sci-fi movie just change the name,switch the characters and change a couple lines.

        • December 26, 2017 at 9:53 pm
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          Precisley. BIG special effects and EXPLOSIONS but low on coherent story.

  • December 26, 2017 at 9:49 pm
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    I’ll say it again. A new Luke Skywalker Star Wars movie should have been huge.

    And on a side note, I did see it a second time. I have been taking my nephew to see Star Wars since he was 4 (TPM). This is our thing. This year, I already pre-ordered the tickets months in advanced, but unfortunately he wasn’t getting leave (army) until the 20th. I didn’t want to ruin it for him. So I kept my mouth shut so he could enjoy it, and decide for himself.

    I honestly tried to go in with an open mind. When we walked out of the theater, I could just see the disappointment on his face. And for me seeing it a second time, validated even more all the issues with this movie.

    • December 26, 2017 at 9:52 pm
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      Preach it. Your words are exactly how most casual fans felt leaving the theater. DEFLATED.

  • December 26, 2017 at 9:53 pm
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    Ruin Johnson = The Michael Bay of Star Wars

  • December 26, 2017 at 9:59 pm
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    I just can’t believe haters on this film:

    – The way Luke is pictured: People, just grow up. Mostly any war hero, futballer, singer, politician etc that has been admired in this world in their youth, at some point of their life they fail, because they play with high expectations and they can’t always be as genuine and strong as their young version. Unfortunately they just feel debastated because they are not used to fail. This is exactly what happens to Luke and this is what the damn movie talks about from their first 10 minutes (Poe’s mistake).

    – It’s just not Star Wars: Can you all haters write a book on what Star Wars is? I mean: ALL OF YOU. You create a discussion in the cantina and you do a kind of rulebook: I want all of you signing that book. I bet not even 10 people would be agree on what Star Wars is and what’s not. Star Wars is whatever a passioned director hired by LFL imagines it to be. The Last Jedi is, at least, Star Wars going forward, in opposition to its predecessor sequel / remake.

    – But Luke should be on Kraith phisically: So HE’S NOT. And that’s the whole point: putting Kylo in a point where he focuses all his energy towards his hate, yet he fails to kill Luke, which debastates him.

    – But Snoke… : Everyone seems to prize Game of Thrones unexpected way to kill characters out of expectations, I don’t get what bothers you so much about it. Lack of a backstory? You feel these movies have to be a damn contained enciclopedia. The Emperor was never explained in the original trilogy either.

    – Phasma useless again : What does Boba Fett do in the OT? 1. He drives his ship towards the falcon 2. He picks up a human-sized ice-cub to his ship. 3. He uses his blaster with not much success 4. He fails to use his jetpack and falls in the Sharlakk…………… Just stop whinning.

    – But Luke milks a topless alien: I can’t believe this is more offensive than an Eopie farting on Jar Jar’s face. He’s just following a bizarre daily routine and it works in the story to explain that Rey is not going to give up on Luke whatever her expectations were.

    – But Rey is a noone: As someone said in the cantina, she’s an anyone. This is what these whole trilogy is about: Finn, Rey and Kylo they are all frustrated by their shameful origins (in the case of Kylo I mean because of his father), but as the trilogy advances, they create their own story and show that no matter who you are or where you are born, you can become someone relevant.

    – But Leia Poppins: Look, I was confused when I saw that scene too, but it’s far to be the first time a scene in Star Wars confuses me.

    – Canto Bait sucks: This planet is a fun excuse to explain the context of the war and how the untouchable elites participate by selling weapons to both sides. Perhaps you prefer talking heads in the senat discussing galactic politics as in the prequels. I don’t.

    • December 26, 2017 at 10:26 pm
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      I concur

    • December 26, 2017 at 10:33 pm
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      Look at the freaks you’re trying to reason with. Don’t bother.

  • December 26, 2017 at 10:14 pm
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    You can thank the media for blowing out of proportion the old school haters’ options for this. “Luke didn’t end the Galaxy’s savior till the end of his days, my fantasy is gone wah wah”….

    • December 26, 2017 at 10:26 pm
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      Just look at people as @kentkaliber in this comment section. Click on his name and see how his comment story shows more than 100 messages dedicated to insultate this movie and Rian Johnson.

      I can see why individuals who choose hating The Last Jedi as a way of life haven’t get this film at all.

      • December 26, 2017 at 10:35 pm
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        I bet every moment he hasn’t spent here he’s spent bitching and whining on a million other SW boards.

      • December 26, 2017 at 10:57 pm
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        Kent, I argue should be considered and outlier in this entire discussion as he made his dislike of this movie perfectly clear. Especially, calling Rian Johnson, “Ruin” Johnson. How pathetic.

        I disliked when people called JJ Abrams Jar Jar Abrams due to how juvenile and belittling that is and the same goes for Rian Johnson. It is okay to disagree with their vision but to basically spam these people, threatening them, namecalling them and treating them as if they had murdered their pet or hurt them; is pathetic.

        And really just reinforces the terrible narrative of how SWs fans can be entitled and whiners. When it isn’t all of us. A good chunk of us can express are like or dislike of a movie without being a colossal dick.

        • December 26, 2017 at 11:05 pm
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          And you forgot George Lucas, the most bashed one and ironically the creator of all this.

          • December 26, 2017 at 11:06 pm
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            Agreed on that front too. For yeah, I disagree with him but without him, this franchise would have never existed. It doesn’t matter how people spin that claim. For really, those people are denying reality. That isn’t to say GL should be completely respected. No. But from the creation point of view of SWs, yes; he totally should be.

        • December 26, 2017 at 11:18 pm
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          I loved TFA and R1. I, and about half of the fan base at large, are upset at this film. My opinion is not a minority and is being reflected in both Fan Response and STARK Box Office droppage.

        • December 26, 2017 at 11:18 pm
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          I loved TFA and R1. I, and about half of the fan base at large, are upset at this film. My opinion is not a minority and is being reflected in both Fan Response and STARK Box Office droppage.

          • December 26, 2017 at 11:43 pm
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            The pain in your fanboy eyes.

          • December 27, 2017 at 1:21 am
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            You decided to hate the film months before it came out. You threw any objectivity out the window before going to the theater.

          • December 27, 2017 at 2:06 am
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            Nice deflection. I’m not questioning yours or anyone’s dislike or like of a movie. It’s a vanilla or chocolate discussion in terms of a subjective judgement. But when you use terms like “Ruin” Johnson it doesn’t bolster the validity of your claims.

            Rather, you come off as immature and entitled to a massive degree. And the same applies for anyone who uses these terms.

            And no; your appeal to popularity does not aid this endeavor. Just because the majority of dissenters their views in a vitriolic, an odious way does not it right.

            That’s all.

        • December 26, 2017 at 11:24 pm
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          “When it isn’t all of us. A good chunk of us can express [our] like or dislike of a movie without being a colossal dick.”

          AMEN, AMEN. Very well-said.

          Personally, I think using hyperbolic and broad negatives labels about other Star Wars fans should get someone banned. Most TLJ fans are no more Disney stooges than most TLJ critics are “childhood-destroyed haters.” So let’s put away the broad paintbrushes and discuss actual issues.

          • December 27, 2017 at 2:09 am
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            Yup. Rational discourse is preferred and no amount of petty insults or broad labels will change that. 🙂

  • December 26, 2017 at 10:22 pm
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    Putting aside everything about this movie, that Forbes article is disgusting and in very poor taste. Comparing a movie’s financial performance to natural disasters that have claimed hundreds of lives is simply unacceptable. I know we care about these movies a lot, but let’s keep things in perspective. No one is going to die if Star Wars makes less money than Rob Cain expected it to.

  • December 26, 2017 at 10:22 pm
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    Putting aside everything about this movie, that Forbes article is disgusting and in very poor taste. Comparing a movie’s financial performance to natural disasters that have claimed hundreds of lives is simply unacceptable. I know we care about these movies a lot, but let’s keep things in perspective. No one is going to die if Star Wars makes less money than Rob Cain expected it to.

    • December 26, 2017 at 10:24 pm
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      I don’t think anyone here is comparing TLJ’s poor performance to any natural disaster — are they ?

    • December 26, 2017 at 10:27 pm
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      I agree. I regret now even linking to their article, but I did get a lot of info from it so credit where credit is due. But I also thought that the comparisons to real-world disasters were ridiculous and as you say “in poor taste”.

      • December 26, 2017 at 10:29 pm
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        Definitely not your fault, man. It’s part of the narrative surrounding the movie’s release and you were totally right to include it here. I appreciate the disclaimer, as I found it sickening to read.

      • December 26, 2017 at 10:48 pm
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        Nothing wrong with Linking to the article, as this is a Major Media Outlet with a voice that “counts.” That said, the earthquake comparison was absurd.

    • December 26, 2017 at 10:47 pm
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      Yep, I thought the comparison was odd and extremely hyperbolic. I get his point that it’s hard to understand by simply comparing it to other movies, but comparing it to deadly earthquakes? Rob Cain obviously isn’t a sports fan because I think there are plenty of comparisons you can make to teams in the past. That’s how I look at Star Wars; it’s like my favorite sports teams. Every now and then, my team makes (what I consider) a bad or boneheaded move, and I’m critical as hell, but I still love them, and I still remember that it’s just a game.

    • December 26, 2017 at 10:32 pm
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      Well Star Wars started a internet war between fans… “How ironic” would say Palpatine…

    • December 26, 2017 at 10:49 pm
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      LOL. This made my day, thank you.

  • December 26, 2017 at 10:28 pm
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    In my case i didnt want to go to the cinema a 2nd time…i got a decent copy online and watched 2nd time in my home. this movie murdered my SW hunger and i think theres a lot people like me who is not going again to the theater

    • December 26, 2017 at 10:47 pm
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      SLAY

    • December 26, 2017 at 10:49 pm
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      Why do you guys need to expose this in such a dramatic personal way? “not going to the theater again”

      You are explaining this story for the second time in this comment section. You are not the center of the universe and no Star Wars film will ever be made for you individually.

      If you won’t go to see a SW anymore why the heck do you spend your time whinning in this message board? Perhaps you think that as much messages you write with stories such as “how hard was not to tell my nephew TLJ was a horrible film so that he could decide by himself” Disney may hear you and make a film of your taste.

      Even if that happened, your nature would make that film unlikeable to you as well.

      • December 26, 2017 at 10:56 pm
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        Couple of drama queens.

      • December 26, 2017 at 10:59 pm
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        Probably the same reason people talk about how much they liked it…sometimes people like to discuss their views and feelings on things.

      • December 26, 2017 at 10:59 pm
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        Probably the same reason people talk about how much they liked it…sometimes people like to discuss their views and feelings on things.

        • December 26, 2017 at 11:01 pm
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          Bleating the same crap over and over again is not discussing views; it’s the kind of behaviour that used to get kids sent to bed without their supper.

          • December 26, 2017 at 11:57 pm
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            Repeatedly calling people’s criticisms of the movie “crap” could also be considered childish behavior. It’s all from a certain point of view. It is actually possible to disagree without demonizing opposing viewpoints.

      • December 26, 2017 at 11:18 pm
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        you cant stop whining dude, you reply to every comment against this film, just accept that theres people who didnt like it. and what the matter of me being here? i still love SW. get a life man

      • December 26, 2017 at 11:35 pm
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        You do realize you are being every bit as dramatic as the person you are criticizing, right?

      • December 27, 2017 at 12:33 am
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        I can answer that question easily. Cause I loved TFA and was jazzed for this Trilogy. Now we have a middle movie that I don’t like, which has led me to not care about Episode 9 and has ruined TFA in the process. RJ has pretty much ruined the Trilogy for me so that’s why I’m posting on a section where SW fans post their opinions.

        • December 27, 2017 at 12:38 am
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          Dan, I don’t think it’s you the kind of “dramatization” i’m talking about.

  • December 26, 2017 at 10:30 pm
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    It’s fine! TLJ was never expected to do what TFA did! It’ll fall somewhere between Rogue One and TFA. Anyone who hasn’t seen it, don’t listen to the haters. It’s an amazing Star Wars film! Go see it!

    • December 26, 2017 at 11:34 pm
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      I just saw the film and posted my opinion above. I feel it’s my responsibility to tell anyone who hasn’t seen it to save their money and catch it on TV in a few months.

      • December 27, 2017 at 12:42 am
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        Clearly you don’t feel it’s your responsibility lol.

  • December 26, 2017 at 10:30 pm
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    The hate that we are dealing with here…is immeasurable.

  • December 26, 2017 at 10:55 pm
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    Terrible movie. Save your money.

    Luke drinks space milk from a space cow and Leia can space fly for no reason…ohh and there is gravity in space. And every male is an idiot. Yay.

    • December 26, 2017 at 11:58 pm
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      Gravity in space… really? Explosions and sound in space have been always there but I’m sure you didn’t care about it much until women got to be the leads in these movies.

    • December 27, 2017 at 2:06 am
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      Oh, God not space milk. Haven’t seen that in a Star Wars before. And no one has ever used the force to move themselves in any fashion, either. And we all know the actions of men are always perfect and never impulsive and questionable, especially in a time of war. Give me a freaking break.

  • December 26, 2017 at 10:57 pm
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    Ghost Yoda shoots lightening and there is a casino planet that will put you to sleep.

  • December 26, 2017 at 10:57 pm
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    Big ships are slower in space because of their weight. Duh.

    • December 26, 2017 at 11:11 pm
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      Using a single post for every bit of criticism I spit. Duh.

    • December 26, 2017 at 11:59 pm
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      Also, you can hear sound in space. Duh.
      Star Wars was never correct in terms of physics. The very first SW scene ever is already wrong.

    • December 27, 2017 at 7:20 am
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      This is a joke, right?

  • December 26, 2017 at 11:33 pm
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    Okay, I just got back from a 12:30 screening of the movie.

    Here are my thoughts: (By the way, I’m 47…7 years old in ’77 when A New Hope came out)

    It was disjointed, full of plot holes and felt the least “Star Wars” out of any of the movies. Uninspiring characters, uninspiring plot, and the comedy fell flat. I was in a theater with what I would guess were about 45-50 people, and the only time anyone laughed, and I mean anyone, was when C3P0 spouted out the odds, Poe Dameron told him to shut up, and C3P0 finished with “to one.”
    This will be the first Star Wars movie that I won’t be buying or watching again. I was hoping the negative reviews would be wrong, but they’re not.
    And please don’t start with the “hater” crap. I have as much invested in this franchise as anyone here who liked the movie. I really, really wanted it to be a good movie, but just stamping Star Wars on it doesn’t make it so.
    I can say that there is one good thing this movie does; It gives me a better appreciation for the prequels. While full of faults of their own, they certainly felt like Star Wars and they made me want to see “what happens next.” After The Last Jedi, in all honesty, I really don’t care what happens in the next episode. There was nothing in this movie that made me want to.
    I guess the beauty of all this is at least one can believe what they want as to what happened after Return of the Jedi. I might start looking around for fan fiction and see what’s out there.

    The Last Jedi – 2 out of 10

    • December 27, 2017 at 12:03 am
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      Or you can take a look at the old Expanded Universe now called Legends. It’s an alternative timeline if you don’t like what they are doing with the new movies.

      • December 27, 2017 at 12:11 am
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        Yeah, I’ve read a bunch of them over the years. A lot of it was pretty good stuff. Thanks.

        • December 27, 2017 at 12:12 am
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          Dark Empire comics were awesome, perhaps the best Star Wars story ever… I’d like to read those again!

    • December 27, 2017 at 12:13 am
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      Your opinion is as valid as anyone’s. Thanks for sharing, sad you didn’t enjoy the movie. This is EXACTLY how I felt watching each prequel in theaters. I like the new stuff a great deal more, personally.

      • December 27, 2017 at 12:16 am
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        I’m glad you liked it. Good to know that Star Wars will still have another generation of fans.

      • December 27, 2017 at 12:18 am
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        Happens the same to me. I like when Star Wars is driven by characters rather than by story events as in the prequels, and I like the inclusiveness of the new movies.
        What I like after a whole life watching these movies (I’m 31) is that each generation owns its own bunch of stories. I think this is why I actually try to enjoy this trilogy and not to be as cruel as I was with the prequels, because now I understand that there’s a whole new generation growing with the sequels, and I think the messages they are sending to kids through these movies are important.

        • December 27, 2017 at 6:36 pm
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          Going into TFA I wasn’t paying attention and thought Finn was going to be the next Luke from the trailer. I was so pleasantly surprised by Daisy Ridley. I really like that new fans are getting strong female leads in Star Wars like Rey and Jyn.

          My generation didn’t have that growing up. You can say Leia was strong but to be honest, we were more interested in Han, Luke and slave Leia.

          I don’t mind Disney mining the OT era, but I would rather see an Oshaka movie than Solo.

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          Going into TFA I wasn’t paying attention and thought Finn was going to be the next Luke from the trailer. I was so pleasantly surprised by Daisy Ridley. I really like that new fans are getting strong female leads in Star Wars like Rey and Jyn.

          My generation didn’t have that growing up. You can say Leia was strong but to be honest, we were more interested in Han, Luke and slave Leia.

          I don’t mind Disney mining the OT era, but I would rather see an Oshaka movie than Solo.

      • December 27, 2017 at 6:30 pm
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        Yes EXACTLY how I felt watching the PT in theatres, and frankly, many parts of ROTJ. After stewing for 30 years I really didn’t want to see TFA but it did bring me back…maybe that’s why I like the new stuff so much as well.

        Hopefully Disney will keep the pedal down and we’ll get more material that can appeal to all fans.

    • December 27, 2017 at 12:29 am
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      I’m scared to see this again because I felt exactly like you did the first viewing. I’m hoping if I do see it again that it works better (this has happened on certain films for me), but if it doesn’t then this will be the first SW movie I hate. I never hated the PT movies as I just found them frustrating as there were really good moments overshadowed by really bad moments. I couldn’t find many good moments in TLJ that have me running back to see it again.

      • December 27, 2017 at 12:43 am
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        That’s pretty much how I felt about the PT too, didn’t “hate” them, they just didn’t inspire me that much, although they were good enough to keep me coming back. I can also name several movies where seeing them a second time made me appreciate them more than the first time (The American (G. Clooney), No Country For Old Men) but there was something in them that was at least good enough to get me to watch them again. I hate to say it, but TLJ doesn’t do that for me at all. In fact, if I knew that I was going to have to sit through it again, I’d be frustrated at being bored for 2 1/2 hours. I hope if you do see it again it grows on you, as I hate seeing something so disappointing with the Star Wars name on it.

      • December 27, 2017 at 1:47 am
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        I’m “one and done.” I won’t be returning to the theatres to see this. I’ve agreed, with all the plot failures, horrible jokes, meaningless character insertions (for no other reason that to push a political agenda) and even character assasinations, this movie is insulting to a life long Star Wars fan. I too, now, could care less what episode IX brings to the table, because short of a Dallas dream sequence, Star Wars is dead.

      • December 27, 2017 at 2:55 am
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        I’ve seen it four times now. Due to see it at least once more. Once I’d accepted the Rey-parentage-reveal I’m finding i’m enjoying it more…… but not without its faults, some of which I’ve listed above here. I’m sorely disappointed with it, but I’d still loyally accept it as an entry into the canon.

    • December 27, 2017 at 7:18 am
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      Welcome to the bot club (those of us that feel as you described, are bots, it seems)

    • December 27, 2017 at 7:03 pm
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      Do what I have done…go back to the EU. It was a much more natural flow from ROTJ, than anything Disney has given us.

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        I may do that. Thanks!

  • December 26, 2017 at 11:36 pm
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    what i don’t get is why the conversation on this film is being dominated by the catfight between the “lol this movie sucks, i’m glad its underperforming” faction and the “TLJ is a masterpiece, leave brittney alone!” faction. is it because they scream the loudest? i suspect the majority of people thought the film was somewhere between ok and good and would like to have civil discussion about it.

    • December 26, 2017 at 11:49 pm
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      Because unnecessarily killing off our Hero was metaphorically an ACT OF WAR by Ruin Johnson.

      • December 27, 2017 at 1:16 am
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        Oh please. Go light another candle on your Luke Skywalker shrine, drama queen.

      • December 27, 2017 at 2:02 am
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        You do realize that you don’t control these characters, right? That the people who make it determine what is and isn’t necessary? That you can choose to watch and enjoy it, or not, and that if you choose not to, that’s not a filmmaker or a company actually DOING anything to you?

        Because it seems like you don’t. And the way you express your entitlement only makes creators understand even more why fans and what fans want shouldn’t dictate how a story is made.

      • December 27, 2017 at 2:07 am
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        Interesting. I thought Star Wars was about killing off heroes?In Episode IV killed off Obi Wan Kenobi in the second act of the movie and nobody blinked an eye. Lukes adoptive parents are killed off in the First Act! . Episode VI kills off Yoda in its second act and again, nobody blinks and eye. Also in VI Anakin Skywalker is killed off and its a great ending! Rogue One kills off ALL the heroes and everyone said its great! Han Solo killed off in Episode 7, and Force Awakens is applauded! Prequels kill off , Qui-Gon, Shmi Skywalker, Padme and virtually all of the Jedi. Its then a bit hard to understand why, when Luke Skywalker is given an emotional and powerful send off and a big fuss is created. How can this be about a writer director unnecessarily killing off the hero when its been done in a bunch of Star Wars films already?

      • December 27, 2017 at 2:44 am
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        I’d agree with this…. in so far as if he was to be killed off, why couldn’t they wait until Episode IX ? As a writer, surely you don’t want to box yourself in too tight, knowing that you have at least one other movie to allow for (if not more), it makes creative sense to give yourself ‘wriggle room’ to provide options. For example, the last shot of Luke could have been him fatigued and struggling to get back up, and as far as I can tell, that wouldn’t have altered the end of the movie in any way. The reason why Luke was killed off, I think, is simply that LFL intended TFA to be Harrison’s film, TLJ was Mark’s, and 9 was to have been Carrie’s ; hence the writing was structured that way. I came out of TLJ so wishing that Carrie had not tragically died.

      • December 27, 2017 at 6:10 am
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        to quote our beloved director of Rogue One. It’s called:
        Star…..WAAAAAARS !! So an act of war we get, deal with it ! btw, you do need a hug !!

      • December 27, 2017 at 6:24 pm
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        What is this Star Wars or Dora the Explorer?

        Do you need a cry room, a puppy

        Snowflake

      • December 28, 2017 at 7:49 pm
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        Stop crying; your make-up’s running.

    • December 27, 2017 at 12:23 am
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      You are right. Let’s talk about the movie instead.

        • December 27, 2017 at 12:58 am
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          I don’t know if I have a favorite part, but the moment Luke shows Rey what the force is was great. It was our first glympse to Luke Skywalker as a jedi master and loved the irony, as well as how the force was showed through great shots of the island.

          I know this divided fandom… but I truly liked the portray of Luke Skywalker in this film. I know Hamill preferred to play the evil clone of Luke Skywalker, but I just like where Rian brought the character. For me the caracter left in great dignity.

        • December 27, 2017 at 12:58 am
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          I don’t know if I have a favorite part, but the moment Luke shows Rey what the force is was great. It was our first glympse to Luke Skywalker as a jedi master and loved the irony, as well as how the force was showed through great shots of the island.

          I know this divided fandom… but I truly liked the portray of Luke Skywalker in this film. I know Hamill preferred to play the evil clone of Luke Skywalker, but I just like where Rian brought the character. For me the caracter left in great dignity.

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            cool, i enjoyed luke/rey stuff as well. my favorite moment was holdo’s suicide lightspeed maneuver. worth the price of admission by itself.

          • December 28, 2017 at 5:05 am
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            I agree; he felt like a very real person, and he actually reminded me a bit of the real-life Carrie Fisher. He was cynical and matter-of-factly while still having a big heart. He doesn’t SEEM like the Luke we know at first, but in the end, he reveals that he’s still the hero everyone wanted him to be, kind of like how Holdo is the Admiral Poe wanted her to be, Poe is the leader Leia wanted him to be, and Finn becomes the Resistance hero that Rose wanted him to be. Unexpected heroism is a big part of this film.

          • December 28, 2017 at 5:05 am
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            I agree; he felt like a very real person, and he actually reminded me a bit of the real-life Carrie Fisher. He was cynical and matter-of-factly while still having a big heart. He doesn’t SEEM like the Luke we know at first, but in the end, he reveals that he’s still the hero everyone wanted him to be, kind of like how Holdo is the Admiral Poe wanted her to be, Poe is the leader Leia wanted him to be, and Finn becomes the Resistance hero that Rose wanted him to be. Unexpected heroism is a big part of this film.

          • December 28, 2017 at 11:55 am
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            Interesting! haven’t thought on that comparison

      • December 27, 2017 at 6:59 pm
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        best scene…Chewie about to eat a porg, 2nd best was when the credits at the end arrived! lol

    • December 27, 2017 at 12:25 am
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      Actually, the ‘Masterpiece’ crowd was the critics who started the hyperbole war from the onset. The early glowing reviews were ridiculous as they were saying this was the next ESB, so fans took exception when they didn’t like it and now you have the hyperbole war.

      • December 27, 2017 at 12:46 am
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        i think going forward it would be better if premieres were just fun events for the cast and fans. critics should only go to press screenings to keep them as unbaised as possible.

      • December 27, 2017 at 1:15 am
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        This IS the best Star Wars since Empire. Nothing about those statements were absurd.

        • December 27, 2017 at 2:39 am
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          Hahahaha, you’re quoting Luke from TLJ 🙂

        • December 27, 2017 at 6:17 pm
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          As a fan from ’77, I agree

      • December 27, 2017 at 6:17 pm
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        When internet-bashing fades and the dust settles, this critically acclaimed movie will be better remembered.

      • December 27, 2017 at 6:17 pm
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        When internet-bashing fades and the dust settles, this critically acclaimed movie will be better remembered.

  • December 26, 2017 at 11:49 pm
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    Superman Leia = nuke the fridge.

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      Yes, someone floating through space is super inbelievable in Star Wars.

  • December 26, 2017 at 11:54 pm
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    Lucas must be observing this backlash towards the new Star Wars with detached amusement.

  • December 27, 2017 at 12:52 am
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    I am still looking for these famous plot holes everyone is ranting about… the only one I found I realised wasn’t a plot hole by second viewing.

    • December 27, 2017 at 1:52 am
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      Most people don’t know what a plot hole is.

      • December 27, 2017 at 1:58 am
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        Or they don’t realise what thry find bringn a plot hold is actually implied or explained…

        • December 27, 2017 at 3:08 am
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          Or that all 9 films have had plot holes yet all of a sudden its only a bad thing with TLJ…

          • December 27, 2017 at 10:32 am
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            Sounds like the CGI argument on prequels: everyone is convinced the Prequels used 90% of times CGI while it was mostly miniatures and sets

          • December 27, 2017 at 10:32 am
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            Sounds like the CGI argument on prequels: everyone is convinced the Prequels used 90% of times CGI while it was mostly miniatures and sets

          • December 27, 2017 at 10:40 am
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            PT is very beautiful in many ways. I never had a problem with the cgi – even where it was used. It was more the decisions they made with some characters and sequencies. Nevertheless, I watched AOTC and ROTS again these last few days and thought that the PT was brutally rated by the fans.

          • December 27, 2017 at 12:41 pm
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            Agreed. ROTS is a very good Star Wars film, and AOTC has some of the best Wiliams score themes. The prequels aren’t bad films; I’m pretty sure it’s all about fan expectations: they all havr imagined their own prequel story and the one provided by Lucas turned out to be different; same with the sequels: they turned out to go on a different route than the one “fans” expected; all the crap about plot holes or CGI is just the justification they try to give;

          • December 27, 2017 at 6:13 pm
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            I agree for AOTC and ROTS…some overuse of CGI and bad dailog and acting notwithstanding.

            TPM though, it desrves the hate.

          • December 27, 2017 at 6:11 pm
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            Having just rewatched them, I have to argue with you there. Lucas’ use of extensive CGI was out of control. Even in scenes with one or two clone troopers he couldn’t be bothered to suit up an extra in white plastic.

          • December 28, 2017 at 12:11 pm
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            Go check the backstage; CGI was mostly used on creatures: even the Geonosis arena was a model, as well as the kamino interiors. A lot of miniatures were used.

          • December 27, 2017 at 3:25 pm
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            Plotholes are a bad thing and the OT and it is now. I would also expect a higher standard from the ST than the OT simply because the OT was made up pretty much on the fly (they didn’t know if they would be able to earn enough money for continuing after ANH…). The ST however is created by a financially stable company with their own dedicated storygroupd to avoid plotholes and inconsistencies in comics, books, games, animated shows and movies. One would expect Disney to come up with a carefully planned out, trilogy spanning, consistent plot…

      • December 27, 2017 at 3:21 pm
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        I agree. Leaving out information that you can easily figure out yourself isn’t a plothole. Poe didn’t know Holdo isn’t a pliothole for example. Ic an think of many ways how they haven’t met before. However, if there are contradictions in a movie or inconsitencies then we have a plothole and there are still plenty of them in TLJ.

      • December 28, 2017 at 5:00 am
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        I KNOW, RIGHT? So many people go around shouting about “plot holes” and then end up talking about information that either doesn’t matter or that they just weren’t given (like Snoke’s backstory).

        • December 28, 2017 at 4:14 pm
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          “I didn’t see Luke go to the bathroom. Plot hole.”

          • December 28, 2017 at 6:22 pm
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            Exactly. Sometimes, movies don’t spell every little detail out for us, just as the original trilogy didn’t. I think the prequels really conditioned people into wanting origins and over-explanations for every little detail, but films don’t HAVE to give us that stuff. As long as we can follow the plot and make reasonable assumptions about things that get glossed over (and there aren’t any GLARING, unexplained plot holes) it doesn’t really matter.

            Also, a lucky coincidence doesn’t count as a plot hole.

          • December 28, 2017 at 6:31 pm
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            Which is amazing because there are some PLOT HOLES in the PT.
            I mean, the Jedi just accepting a random clone army?

          • December 28, 2017 at 9:18 pm
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            I wouldn’t necessarily call that a plot hole, but it’s INCREDIBLY stupid on the part of the Republic, which is funny because characters acting stupidly is a line that a lot of TLJ haters trot out.

          • December 28, 2017 at 9:58 pm
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            I would say it is a plot hole because I don’t know WHY they do it and being dumb is too simple an explanation. But you see my point haha.

        • December 29, 2017 at 2:24 am
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          Sorry, I shouldn’t have said “plot hole”, rather “plot distraction” 🙂 …. I find it pulls me out of the viewing experience if I have to stop and question something that could have been clarified with a line of dialogue. I found TFA lazy in its writing, and I found TLJ the same, but thankfully less so. I’d have thought the writing could have been much ‘tighter’ and still not hindered the film.

        • December 29, 2017 at 2:24 am
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          Sorry, I shouldn’t have said “plot hole”, rather “plot distraction” 🙂 …. I find it pulls me out of the viewing experience if I have to stop and question something that could have been clarified with a line of dialogue. I found TFA lazy in its writing, and I found TLJ the same, but thankfully less so. I’d have thought the writing could have been much ‘tighter’ and still not hindered the film.

    • December 27, 2017 at 2:37 am
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      …. unless you mean : where does purple-haired Holdo (& the bombers) come from ? Bombs drop vertically when there is no gravity [unless the bigger ship creates a gravity well ??] ? How does Poe know Maz ? How is Maz transmitting a hologram, and how is she moving in relation to it [a droid presumably ?] ? How does a bridge corridor not fall victim to the effects of space ? [and I’ll throw in, how does Starkiller drain its own sun twice ? 🙂 ] How do you destroy a command bridge only to return to it moments later [TBF, I spotted this resolution on the 3rd viewing with a zoom-in on Holdo in the underside secondary bridge later in the story]. I enjoyed the film, it was probably better than TFA, but once again what I’d call the laziness in the writing really stands out to me, and as a fan and audience member, I *don’t* want to be *distracted* by these things whilst I’m watching it. Now that I know the [disappointing] Rey-parentage-reveal, all subsequent viewings have been far better than the first viewing.

      • December 27, 2017 at 7:09 am
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        Where did Rey how learn to swim? How come Poe did not know Holdo if there are only 400 rebels left?

        • December 27, 2017 at 7:11 am
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          We don’t se her swim. Even a person who can’t swim could manage to get back to the surface. Maybe she used the rocks to climb up.

        • December 27, 2017 at 10:36 am
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          There was water on Jakku. Finn even drinks some. The folk do need to get clean somehow.

        • December 28, 2017 at 7:57 pm
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          Nobody said she was born on Jakku, did they? The flashback scene we saw in TFA showed her being left with Unkar Plutt; she looks easily old enough to have learned to be a proficient swimmer there.
          For all we know she was born on Kamino 🙂
          Not a plot hole.

          • December 29, 2017 at 4:48 am
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            Well, when one has to make elaborate answers in one’s head that just come out of nowhere, of course there a no plot-holes. So where does it say Luke died? Maybe he just evaporated, right?

          • December 29, 2017 at 6:02 pm
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            Just pointing out that not seeing Rey learn to swim on screen doesn’t mean she never learned to swim. No need to get ratty.

          • December 29, 2017 at 6:02 pm
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            Just pointing out that not seeing Rey learn to swim on screen doesn’t mean she never learned to swim. No need to get ratty.

          • December 30, 2017 at 1:34 am
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            LoL, no harsh feelings, we’re all SW fans here, with different views and opinions. Peace.

          • December 30, 2017 at 5:37 am
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            We cool!

      • December 27, 2017 at 7:09 am
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        To answer your second question: The bomber itself has gravity that causes the bombs to start falling. Once the bombs enter the vacuum of space their momentum keeps them moving in the same direction. If they stopped moving it would make no sense.

      • December 27, 2017 at 7:09 am
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        To answer your second question: The bomber itself has gravity that causes the bombs to start falling. Once the bombs enter the vacuum of space their momentum keeps them moving in the same direction. If they stopped moving it would make no sense.

      • December 27, 2017 at 8:54 am
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        Holdo was the commander of one of the other cruisers.They said itnin the movie. Those ships as well as the bombers arrived to help with the evacuation of the resistance base.
        Maz seems to be a pretty well known being who was running one of the more notorious establishments in the galaxy. I’m sure he’s probably heard of her. Not to mention that he was, you know, just at her castle.
        I’ll agree about the transmission part. Maybe it was some type of portable transmitter? Honestly, I don’t care lol
        I think there was a door that closed behind her before the one that she puts her hand against opened. Could be wrong about that one, in which case you’d be right haha
        It didn’t drain the same sun. It was a different one.
        After seeing it a 3rd time it’s moved ahead of TFA for me and is now behind only the originals but is real close to ROTJ.

        • December 29, 2017 at 1:56 am
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          I just wish Holdo’s arrival had been clarified a bit more. I know her ship is named, but it’s not clear that it was one of the ones in orbit, or where that had come from (D’Qar or elsewhere) ; also, we don’t really know the TFA-TLJ timeframe, it could be moments, hours, or days. It’s moments like these where I’d prefer for an extra line of dialogue rather than be distracted and pulled out for the viewing experience.

      • December 27, 2017 at 10:14 am
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        Bombs dropped vertically without gravity in ESB too. Don’t see many complaints about that.

        There are plenty of other interesting gravity moments throughout the saga, before we get to the physical implausibility of a lightsaber, not to mention the bizarre light bending design of the ANH and ROTJ Death Star weapon. Star Wars – a story about a force that does not exist – was never precise physics.

        Surely this point shows the alignment between Original trilogy and the sequels. It is homage to the OT and PT.

        I would not bother yourself with this. I mean somehow there is gravity in all ships in star wars. And there are plenty of ships crashing into or landing on the surface of space objects. In R1 also a ship crashes on the energy shield at Scarif and does not bounce back into space.. just skims along the surface of the shield.

        Magnetize Magnetize 😉

      • December 27, 2017 at 10:30 am
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        You do realise you answered to most questions yourself? 🙂 To be precise most of these are not plot holes, but can be considered mistakes of various degrees. I assume the bigger ship fid create a gravity well, or there was some sort of pushing mechanism for the bombers (note: Y-wings bombed on Star Destroyers defying physics in Rogue One too), Maz might be simply known to the Resistance after Takodana (TFA was supposed to have her on the Resistance base); you provided the other answers. As for the space vacuum, this ain’t the first time that I see something similar, an opening to space that should suck everyone out (ANH’s hangar bay seems to have a giant opening to space), at this point I suppose that there is some sort of atmosphere container system on the ships. But, either ways, star wars never really followed physics, and that is the strongest argument against it being a Sci-fi in the pure sense and more a Space Fantasy.

        • December 28, 2017 at 4:55 pm
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          Of the ship shields, I’d argue – thanks to ANH – that it’s *only* hangar bays that are sealed from the vacuum of space, and thus the rest of the ship would suffer a catastrophe if breached. Yes, we have the TESB spaceslug, which has always bugged me, but I’d equally argue that there may be enough of an atmosphere inside the creature to allow breathmasks only. Yes, SW is sci-fi fantasy…. but, but, but, it still needs to be ‘grounded’ in reality otherwise such things will only distract and pull the viewer out of the experience ; it’s one of the charms of GL’s original vision that not only was it a ‘beat up’ and familiar world, certain rules still applied. You can’t go off on flights of (too much) fancy, otherwise you lose the self-imposed rules of the world you’re trying to create.

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            Dude, I think the only think they got scientifically accurate in Star Wars is the shape of the planets. If it had to be scientifically accurate, there shoudl be the following: rotating ships for artificial gravity (saying that ships have gravity generators is lazy script-writing), rockets instead of laser shots, laser swords cannot exist (I mean, a light beam that cuts and is powered by a crystal?), and most of all, there cannot be the Force: how can people use telekinesis just by believing that everything is somehow connected (of course if we want to ignore the midi-chlorians explanation provided in the prequels). But if we want to go less ground-breaking, I’m confident that you shouldn’t be able to see stars in space the way we see in various shots, especially near objects that reflect light, like planets. Star wars is very far from reality, even the fact that ships fly very fast is inaccurate.

            A very easy explanation to the space vacuum thing is indeed that there’s a system that avoids even internal corridors not to be influenced by vacuum (this can even be a door that closes behind Leia, I don’t remember the fra,e being particularly clear about the background of the princess as she arrives to the door); afterall it is a military ship, so the necessity of resisting to hits and to space vacuum in case of hit ambients is a very plausible evenience to foresee and to solve, especially if your ship has multiple bridges in case of necessity).

            The point stays, this ain’t a plot hole. A plot hole could be Finn randomly using the Force when proven he does not have it, and even that could be arguably a plot hole and rather a continuity error.

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            Thanks, I’d whole-heartedly agree with you….. but even fictitious fantasy worlds need ‘ground rules’ for both the author and the audience, otherwise *anything* can be allowed for. We accept lightsabres and gravity-defying spaceship interiors, for example, because that’s what GL gave us in his world ; but there are still general physics and astro-physics that ‘shape’ that world, and which are accepted in general terms by the average audience.

            I’d also concede, and apologise, that I lazily continued to use the word ‘plot hole’, when I perhaps should have said ‘plot distraction’. For me, anything that’s going to cause me to question the unfolding drama is going to pull me out of the immersiveness of the film, and therefore the enjoyment. With TFA, and now with TLJ, I just feel that even *one* line of extra dialogue might be enough to ‘cover one’s back’ for the film-maker : so, for example, when Poe and Finn run to Leia (and as far as I can recall, there’s a hiss and the door starts opening just before the scene cuts), Poe calls out something ; but he *could* have said something like, “Close the blast doors !” or “Seal the corridor !”, and that in itself would have been enough for me.

            I’ve spent the last 10 years co-writing a post-ROTJ Sequel Trilogy fan-fic, and in doing so, I’ve discovered all sorts of nuances in plotting and character that are required in writing, and I just feel that a production house as big as and with as many resources as LFL should be able to ‘quality check’ scripts and make sure they are as tight as they can ever be before they are green-lit. SK Base draining its own star *twice* for power is such an example of what I’d humbly call “lazy writing”. Heck, if you’re saying that anything goes in fantasy writing, and we have a military resource that can re-align star power to be an offensive projectile, then ANYTHING can happen in subsequent stories, and surely that would make for some very boring stories indeed ? The fact that obstacles exist (in this case, some real-world physics) produces the dramatic tension and plotting challenges that makes the Hero’s adventure all the more interesting : it forces the writer to be a bit more creative, rather than simply say, “Oh, the hero can do this, the hero can do that”.

            George Lucas once said he did not want to make his Jedi invincible because that makes for a very boring story very quickly ; they (and their circumstances) have to be fallible to give us the drama.

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            Ah, damn. I had posted a big reply, but it didn’t seem to have taken it. Firstly, I had carelessly re-used the phrase “plot hole” where “plot distraction” would have been better, for which I apologise ; my point still stands though, that for me such things unnecessarily distract and pull me out of the viewing experience. Secondly, even fantasy worlds need ‘ground rules’ to contain the drama, otherwise ‘anything goes’ and the author is free to ‘get away’ with anything he wants to do. There are certain physics that are generally accepted by the typical viewer, and the vacuum of space is one of them ; it has always bothered me about the TESB spaceslug, but I’ve rationalised that by saying there was enough of an atmosphere inside it to allow for the humans to move freely ; SK Base was implied to have drained its own star *twice*. GL has said that he understood he could not make his Jedi invincible as that would result in a very boring story very quickly ! Heroes need to have weaknesses and parameters, and their circumstances help allow for that. I had also said that I’ve been co-writing a post-ROTJ sequel trilogy fan-fic and that’s given me an insight into character and plot development, the challenges of such, and how they affect the drama.
            A passing line of dialogue could explain something, such as Poe calling out, when Leia arrives, an instruction to close the blast doors, for example, and that would have been enough for me !

    • December 27, 2017 at 3:14 pm
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      The one that’s bugging me the most is this. The Raddus has fuel for 18 hours. Simultaneously Rey stays multiple day and night cycles on Anch-To. At first I though it was like Dagoba, a planet where time moves faster than elsewhere in the Galaxy. But then I remembered that Rey was forcetiming with Kylo Ren in realtime who was located on the Supremacy and thus in close proximity of the Raddus. The failure to pay attention tp the timeline continuity of the two MAIN plots of the story is a pretty glaring plothole.

      Another plothole: Once Leia is sucked out into space why does Raddus not pass by her and she’s left behind in space? Did the Supremacy and the Raddus both stop within the fraction of a second to wait for a presumably dead Leia to fly back to safety? A beautiful shot, no doubt about that. But ridiculously stupid. in terms of storytelling.

      • December 27, 2017 at 6:06 pm
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        This one irks me too.

        If you assume that the Raddus was not steadily accelerating, Leia’s momentum would have her moving at the same relative velocity when she was spaced. You have to squint on that one…like other Star Wars gems such as seeing the Hosnian system destroyed real-time from Takodona, or sliding around in Grievous’s ship becasue it was tilting.

        • December 27, 2017 at 8:01 pm
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          Even if the Raddus wasn’t accelerating there would still be a problem. We saw Leia move at a relative speed to rest of the ship when she was sucked out of the ship and quite likely in a different direction relative to the direction of the Raddus. Without any air to slow down her movement she would definitely not keep at such a steady distance from the Raddus.

          The Takodana incident was weird too but they explained that away in scfi fi terms. Starkillerbase shot itas laser through sub hyperspace. Sub Hyperspace is like a wormhole, it doesn’t move along space but rather through it. So the explosion that could be seen on Takodana was caused by laser being scattered upon impact and leaving sub hyperspace, not the actual destruction of the planets. It’s silly but not as obvious as the Leia scene 🙂

      • December 28, 2017 at 4:58 am
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        I don’t know the exact explanations for those, but honestly, I don’t care very much. I’m sure there are canon reasons, but the main reason is that it’s better for the story that way. Kind of like how the space worm in TESB conveniently waits for the gang to walk around and explore before slowly closing its mouth. it happens that way because the plot demands it, but the canon explanation is that the thing is just slow or insensitive or something.

      • December 28, 2017 at 12:13 pm
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        About the time continuity: that is so because the two plots don’t take place simultaneously: Rey had already gone to Anch-To several days ago when Hux and the FO attacks So there’s a time difference between the two storylines like in Dunkirk; about the Leia one, that’s not a plot hole, it can count as an error but a plot hole is when something in the plot is not explained, like when a character knows something he was not informed of, or when a character dies and comes back later on

    • December 28, 2017 at 4:56 am
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      People often use “plot holes” (which stem from willful ignorance) as scapegoats for their real (less legitimate) faults with film. Most people complaining about plot holes probably coincidentally hated Luke’s portrayal, or a lack of Snoke theories, or “SJW themes”, etc.

    • January 1, 2018 at 8:49 am
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      Not that it’s a plot hole (I guess) but a lot of people are annoyed about Snoke’s lack of backstory..
      A lot of people say ‘oh but the emperor never had a back story in the OT’ but that’s ok because from ANH all we ever knew was that there was an empire run by an emperor. The difference with Snoke is that we are meant to believe that he existed the whole time during the PT/OT and was supposedly more powerful than Palpatine/Vader and yet no one knew about him… and yet here he was ready to turn the remains of the Empire into the first order, with more power than the empire ever had! (Look at the new weapons they posses) it just makes no sense and it basically undermines the whole palpatine/Vader story.. it makes them look stupid now because someone more powerful existed and they didn’t even know.. Nor did Snoke ever interfere or do anything until now.

      This Character deserves a backstory. An on screen movie one that everyone who watches these films can learn, not some book EU one.

      • January 1, 2018 at 11:53 am
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        I think Snoke’s backstory will be explained in the next film. I recall, a while ago, that Abrams intended to make several connections with the Prequels in IX. Until then, the only one I heard saying he’s the most powerful dark side user was Serkis, who, while portrays him, is not really a star wars canon expert. I need Pablo Hidalgo to tell me he is more powerful than Palpatine.

  • December 27, 2017 at 1:15 am
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    24 hours after we posted our Christmas poll, the results show that 70% of our readers rate TLJ with score between 8 and 10. That’s even better than TFA and R1. Very interesting…

    • December 27, 2017 at 1:50 am
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      Its OK remember that probably people who didnt like it are not coming back for some time… just check for example metacritic,imdb, and well hmm rotten tomatoes lost credibility, here on SWNN is the only place i know where a poll got positive results, reddit is one fight after another, youtube full of people bitching even the request to remove it from canon reached 65.000 people in very few days
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7373bd9f7d6eaff0dca2f643a6c62fb533ad39c9457436c973d2605708afe477.jpg

      • December 27, 2017 at 2:01 am
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        Scientific polls of the movie are overwhelmingly positive. Critics are overwhelmingly praiseworthy. As vocal as the critics are, their miserable attitudes will not destroy the love for this fantastic new episode of Star Wars.

        • December 27, 2017 at 8:04 am
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          You just won’t give up Crixxxx…. The bottom line is that a significant number of people just didn’t like the movie. Deal with it… It’s like you’re so hurt by this fact, that you’re going through the five steps of grief Seems like you’re still between the Denial and Anger stages. (See: https://grief.com/the-five-stages-of-grief/)

          • December 27, 2017 at 8:16 am
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            Yeah, I’m not hurt at all. I got a wonderful new Star Wars. I’m overjoyed at what I got. Grief would be my reaction if I hated what I got. If you choose to be miserable and angry about it it’s your problem, not mine. I have the critics on my side, and the scientific surveys. What do you have? A bunch of nobodies on the internet that take out their fanboy frustrations on online rating sites. The same brilliant people who thought Rogue One was a great movie because Darth Vader showed up to slash a bunch of Rebels in a hallway. So if anyone needs to “deal with it,” it’s you.

          • December 27, 2017 at 9:24 am
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            So it’s denial then. lol I’ve seen your other posts and its clear that other’s dislike of the movie has consumed you. Your ‘happy go lucky, not my problem’ fascade contradicts your fool idealistic crusade to seek out and belittle with psychotic belligerence anyone who opposes your cult-like sad devotion to The Last Jedi. If you are truly overjoyed and believe that others dislike of the movie is not your problem, do yourself a favor: don’t reply to this message and stay off the message boards.

          • December 27, 2017 at 6:36 pm
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            Sweet Jesus. Spare me your over-dramatic, hyperbolic psychoanalysis. I don’t deny for a minute that you or other people disliked the film. And debating the reasons for why I liked it vs. why you didn’t is one of the reasons why discussion boards like this exist. These are opinions about a movie for Christ’s sake. This is not a holy war of religious factions. My God, calm the f down. If you get that rattled by someone defending a critically acclaimed movie that you didn’t like, maybe it’s you who need to take a break.

          • December 28, 2017 at 4:54 am
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            “Let me bitch about the movie; you’re dumb unless you give me the last laugh!!”

          • December 28, 2017 at 5:25 am
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            I’m sure you know that I’m not bitching about TLJ. I just wasted my time calling out the “Let me bitch about people that I assume didn’t like the movie; you’re dumb unless I get the last laugh” guy…

    • December 27, 2017 at 2:07 am
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      I voted 8-10 but honestly I still don’t know how I feel about this movie. I thought it was a great movie BUT at the same time I totally see why some people said that Luke’s character was destroyed and that the whole movie is an insult to Star Wars. I now wonder what this trilogy could have been like if they had put more thought into it before making Ep VII so fast.

      The Last Jedi made me nostalgic for the prequels which I something I never thought would be possible. I seriously can’t wait to watch them again. I mean they’re terrible but if I’m making a conscious effort to like TLJ, I might as well do the same for the prequels. And I liked them as a kid. 🙂

      • December 27, 2017 at 3:45 am
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        I wish the sequels showed more of the galaxy like the prequels did. But I am the exception to the norm around here in that I actually love the prequels, particularly rots.

        • December 27, 2017 at 3:05 pm
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          I have always liked the prequels and spoken out against the haters of GL because I think they do one thing very well which is worldbuilding. The story and dialogues suck at times and the acting can be terrible but the prequels explore many interesting aspects of the “world” of Star Wars. We wouldn’t know much about the Jedi if it wasn’t for the prequels. We wouldn’t know about the fascinating ecumenopolis that is Corsucant or the widespread influence of Jabba the Hut on Tatooine if it wasn’t for his brief appearence during the Boonta Eve Classic. The amount of worldbuilding in the prequels is immense and it baffles me that we are seeing very little of this in the ST considering how our technology has advanced since the release of the PT.

          • December 27, 2017 at 4:11 pm
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            It comes down to LF learning the wrong lessons from those movies. GL just could not write politics very well and had he entrusted those movies to other directors, the movies would have been fine.

            Really, LF is just banking on nostalgia/ nostalgic elements when in truth a little world building would do this ST good. As it would add in to the lived in quality of these movies.

          • December 27, 2017 at 7:53 pm
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            Yeah, I am glad I could finally use this word. Whenever I learn a new language I do a lot of reading and watching foreign TV shows and whenever I stumble across a word I am unfamiliar with I write it down and try to memorize it. After all these years of expanding my English vocabulary writing down “ecunenopolis” on my list has finally paid off 🙂

        • December 27, 2017 at 6:38 pm
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          I guess that means you’re not one of the cool kids. Neither am I then!

    • December 27, 2017 at 2:33 am
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      The silent majority have spoken.

      • December 27, 2017 at 7:06 am
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        The majority is voting where it matters: At the ticket booths, not in random SW fansites

        • December 27, 2017 at 11:02 am
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          Much the same as The Avengers and its sequel. Age of Ultron had a drop of 27% of its predecessor, The Last Jedi is currently sitting on around 30% drop of The Force Awakens.

          I do wonder if The Last Jedi had instead been made as a rehash of a rehash of a rehash. I’m not so sure it would have measured up financially against The Force Awakens, what with the hype of it being the first decent SW movie in 32 years.

          • December 27, 2017 at 6:54 pm
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            Nothing will top TFA, at least for the time being, it’ll be interesting to see how Avatar 2 does

          • December 27, 2017 at 7:53 pm
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            and The Avengers: Infinity War. Think that land somewhere around/between Age of Ultron and Captain America: Civil War. All those story arcs will be its downfall.

    • December 27, 2017 at 2:51 pm
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      Over the christmas holiday I decided to a little poll to find out the average age of people in my country. So I went to my grandma’s nursing home and did some polling there. Turn’s out the average German is 78 years old. Who would have thought? It’s almost like the sample of people I polled was biased. Keeping this little story in mind, maybe making a Star Wars related poll on a website for Star Wars fans doesn’t meet the criteria of objectivity either 😉

      PS: Why did you create categories for you poll like “8-10”. What kind of rating system is that supposed to be? Seems like you are trying to skew the numbers by making it impossible to see if the highest rating (8-10) is dominated by 8s or by 10s. There’s a huge difference in quality between a movie rated 8/10 (really good) and 10/10 (flawless) so why combine these categories into one unless you want to deliberately make the movie look better than it is?

        • December 27, 2017 at 8:04 pm
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          Oh, my bad I thought you had categorized it into 8-10. My apologies then. As for the biased group of people polled in the survey I still take an issue with that. Especially since you bring it up in your articles when it shouldn’t be considered a viable poll for discussing the overall impression TLJ left on audiences outside of the coregroup of fans.

    • December 27, 2017 at 6:42 pm
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      Could depend on which fan base is actively participating in the poll. I do believe the casual fan will like it, but closer to a 50/50 split of older fans. IMO and just based on many comments and discussions that I’ve been involved in.

    • December 28, 2017 at 4:52 am
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      At this point, the online hate is too venomous for the majority to consider voicing their thoughts while the vocal minority is in rage mode. Hate always screams the loudest.

    • December 27, 2017 at 5:01 am
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      Disney must’ve found those pics of him naked with a goat. What a pussy.

    • December 27, 2017 at 5:01 am
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      Disney must’ve found those pics of him naked with a goat. What a pussy.

    • December 27, 2017 at 6:36 pm
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      Ah good, Luke will be returning as a Force ghost I was a little concerned with Mark making his opinion known but it looks like they have come to some sort of agreement.

      • December 27, 2017 at 6:38 pm
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        yeah, stop talking if you want a career. lol

    • December 27, 2017 at 6:37 pm
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      looks like the mouse threatened to make him disappear for real…

    • December 27, 2017 at 8:45 pm
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      His agent just reminded him that he gets a % of the gross.

  • December 27, 2017 at 2:03 am
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    I think the Last Jedi box office numbers will be pretty much the norm for the franchise moving forward (similar territory to Rogue One). Much talk made of the second week drop, but if you look at the only movies to make more than $80million in its second week (The Force Awakens, Jurassic World, Marvel’s Avengers, and Beauty and the Beast), the first 2 were franchise reboots, The Avengers had origin stories beforehand building up to it, and Beauty and the Beast was a live action remake. I think that’s very telling that no Marvel movie has come close to capturing the financial success of The Avengers, much like no SW film will come close to capturing the success of The Force Awakens. Will be interesting to see how well Jurassic World Kingdom does at the box office, but I expect it to be in a similar financial situation to Star Wars and Marvel.

  • December 27, 2017 at 2:24 am
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    The two extremes:

    Pro TLJ = numbers were expected. Nothing to see.

    Anti TLJ = big loss, told you.

    Truth is, both are a tad bit hyperbolic, but one is ignoring or excusing the data completely. Because all the holiday weekend talk was long ago baked into the projections. Starwars first real return of Luke Skywalker was supposed to shatter those expectations. It’s only being used as a crutch now to try to defend off the blitz if negative press.

    Truth is, the die hard fans are split on this, which is amazing considering a certain segment is unwilling to criticize anything Star Wars.

    This movie can be saved if it’s handled right in 9, but considering the parties involved and their massive denial of a problem, fans should expect anything.

    The Hollywood hipsters don’t get why this movie is so divisive because to them it’s just art. They brilliantly told you the same story but boldly tweaked it where you’d least expect. They see making the OT legends into failures a win. Disney was hoping to kill off the most costly characters in the franchise and to shove their new more depth characters into the beloved roles.

    Don’t worry untrained Rey has the books and a broken light saber. She can succeed where all other crappy skywalkers of the past failed.

    • December 27, 2017 at 6:57 am
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      SLAY

    • December 27, 2017 at 4:09 pm
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      Great analysis, man. I enjoyed The Last Jedi, but really yeah this movie is very polarizing. And really speaks to a bigger problem which is a lack of consistency. I do not believe for a second that the story group had planned this ST out.

      And now realizing that Rian Johnson didn’t even watch The Force Awakens when he penned the script for TLJ is more than evident. And really, this is an alarming situation when you consider that Star Wars wants to be like Marvel Studios.

      And say what you will about that franchise, but Kevin Feige runs a very tight ship and is good to his directors. Kathleen Kennedy, unless she is being strung by Iger or any top Disney brass, has not displayed that.

      As for this situation, Episode Nine could in fact be great and bring together the trilogy. But knowing the history of studios, if this pattern continues then the studio is going to take the wrong message and basically we may get a ROTJ style movie from Abrams. I hope not. I want a more middle ground movie that takes elements from TLJ but also returns the franchise back to basics just a bit.

      But yeah, I agree with you, man.

      P.S: As for Rey, you are so correct. A part of me held out she would be better and for granted, Rey was a lot more likable. But beyond that, power wise she is still a Mary Sue, if anything because she is a very passive character.

      And really, there are much better examples of Rey, such as Aloy from Horizon Zero Dawn, who follow similiar paths, but ultimately achieve this in my view a lot better.

  • December 27, 2017 at 4:53 am
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    The wind is coming out of TLJ’s box office sails because word has gotten around the camp fire that the film sucks.

    Which it does. It’s so bad it makes me pine for “the good old days” of 1999 and The Phantom Menace.

    • December 27, 2017 at 12:40 pm
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      Let’s not get crazy! 😛

    • December 28, 2017 at 4:50 am
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      Actually, Christmas was just on a Monday this year. The four day weekend is only a drop of 54%. Cry me a river.

  • December 27, 2017 at 5:06 am
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    I spent lots of time with family and friends this holiday, and of course Star Wars came up quite a bit. I not only polled them, but asked about their own conversations with other people in their little pockets of the world. The overwhelming consensus from these very real individuals is that this entry is a disappointment. The one person who loved it was my friend’s dingbat wife who typically hates Star Wars films. Go figure.

    The spin is strong with this movie.The harder the internet tries to sell TLJ, the more it skeeves me out. People will combine on social media to insist that a film or song or food is tasty or good or cool and you know in your soul they’re all wrong. A critical thinker will not be persuaded in the least to accept the sub-par when they know they’re right. Be that person.

    • December 27, 2017 at 6:42 am
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      You know in your soul I’m wrong because I like it and because i do I’m not a critical thinker? Jesus, get over yourself. It’s a f****** movie. Like it or don’t. Don’t try to pretend you’re a better person because you know deep down it’s a bad movie and everyone who is anyone should agree with you.

      Idiot.

      • December 27, 2017 at 7:04 am
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        “I’m not a critical thinker” you ask and then proceed to insult him, as your closing argument. I think you answered your own question

        • December 27, 2017 at 7:05 am
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          Sometimes they make it too easy.

        • December 27, 2017 at 8:41 am
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          Please. We said the same thing, he was just more passive and pretentious about it. So yes, he’s an idiot. I just said it in five characters and didn’t blanket an entire fanbase with a holier than thou attitude.

        • December 27, 2017 at 8:41 am
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          Please. We said the same thing, he was just more passive and pretentious about it. So yes, he’s an idiot. I just said it in five characters and didn’t blanket an entire fanbase with a holier than thou attitude.

    • December 27, 2017 at 7:41 am
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      SLAY

      • December 27, 2017 at 5:53 pm
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        SLAY SLAY SLAY

        Troll lol

      • December 27, 2017 at 6:33 pm
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        Santa’s Sleigh

    • December 27, 2017 at 8:35 am
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      I thought the movie was great. Guess I can’t think for myself.

      • December 27, 2017 at 8:46 am
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        I dunno — is that a statement or a question?

        • December 27, 2017 at 9:10 am
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          Sorry, I was trying to be sarcastic. I do think the movie is great but I’m not gonna try and convince anyone otherwise. If you didn’t like it that’s cool. It’s your opinion and nothing I say is most likely going to change it. I just wish people could have a civil discussion about it instead of being all extreme and rude lol

          • December 27, 2017 at 9:26 am
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            I hear you loud and clear. But when they put out a film that could have easily been titled “Extreme Star Wars”, it’s naturally going to evoke extreme feelings either way.

            As for rudeness, don’t worry — the mods here are great at keeping that in check (that’s certainly not sarcasm on my part).

    • December 27, 2017 at 2:44 pm
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      I had a similar experience over the christmas holiday. I am known to be a star wars fan among my friends and family so when I asked them what they thought of TLJ they seemed to be very carefutl with their criticism. I guess they didn’t want to upset me knowing that I am a big SW fan, which must have made them assume that I would love anything with the logo of SW on it. When I told them how I felt about the movie (which is pretty similar to Dekka’s “beautiful mess” review) they no longer held back with their oppinion and almost everyone I spoke to seemed to think the movie was ok at best. Of course this is annecdotal evidence and thus worthless. But one cannot deny that we are having a discussion about TLJ the likes of which was unheard of when TFA and R1 came out.

      • December 27, 2017 at 3:52 pm
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        That’s funny — I experienced the tip-toeing as well.

        PS
        I wouldn’t call real-world experience anecdotal or worthless.

    • December 27, 2017 at 4:22 pm
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      I totally agree. I was looking forward to TLJ so much and felt numb leaving the screening. Star Wars has been damaged yet again and JJ has his work cut out for him for Episode IX

      • December 28, 2017 at 1:51 am
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        The weirdest thing is that years back, J.J. claims that Kathy Kennedy finally sold him on the idea of directing TFA by pointing out that he’ll be responsible for telling Luke’s story, yet he sat out the one film (of the three) that actually would have given him that opportunity.

    • December 27, 2017 at 5:52 pm
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      And yet all my friends, family and co-workers have loved it. But I guess we’re all wrong. Tell me what else I should think

    • December 27, 2017 at 5:52 pm
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      And yet all my friends, family and co-workers have loved it. But I guess we’re all wrong. Tell me what else I should think

    • December 27, 2017 at 5:59 pm
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      agreed! My wife fell asleep for the first time in a SW movie, my sons were laughing at how stupid elements were and I just sat quietly in disbelief. If this was a one off movie, it would have been fine…but as a saga…it was a mess.

    • December 28, 2017 at 4:48 am
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      “People will combine on social media to insist that a film or song or food is tasty or good or cool and you know in your soul they’re all wrong. A critical thinker will not be persuaded in the least to accept the sub-par when they know they’re right. Be that person.”

      Because it can’t just be that we have a different opinion. We just haven’t “accepted” how bad the film is. We’re not as intelligent as you, of course. Could you be more narcissistic and condescending if you tried?

      • December 28, 2017 at 7:54 am
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        You bore me.

        How’s that?

  • December 27, 2017 at 5:29 am
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    I finally got around to seeing TLJ last night. It has it’s warts, but I thought it was an overall nice addition to the SW Universe. Take it for what it is , entertainment, and remember that George Lucas was never in the frame of mind that an odd-ball space soap opera would endear generations of people. Relax and take a deep breath, fanboys.

    • December 27, 2017 at 5:50 pm
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      Too right

  • December 27, 2017 at 7:02 am
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    The real question is, how will Solo perform after this fiasco (TLJ wont reach 1 billion in the US by Far) Since it is not a saga movie, and with the summer competition.

    • December 27, 2017 at 7:14 am
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      Regardless of the film’s quality, there’s definitely going to be a drop in opening weekend sales until word-of-mouth proves it safe to jump in the water.

    • December 27, 2017 at 7:19 am
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      infinity war is two weeks ahead of it and deadpool two a week behind. solo could be star wars’ lowest grossing film.

      • December 27, 2017 at 7:31 am
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        I’m not a huge fan of Deadpool by any means but a lot of people are waiting for this one, and the sequels from within the MCU now that Disney owns Fox, that’s gonna hurt Solo, which by the way, has been more divisive than TLJ since it was announced.

        • December 27, 2017 at 7:33 am
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          It’s time for Disney shills to amp up the TJ Miller backlash.

          • December 27, 2017 at 3:39 pm
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            Is it TJ Miller time?

        • December 27, 2017 at 11:58 am
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          Solo: A Star Wars Story.

          The most divisive SW movie since the last most divisive SW movie, since the last most divisive SW movie.

      • December 27, 2017 at 7:32 am
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        It might sound counter-intuitive, but I think if the studio really believes in the film, they’ll push it to December. If they know it’s a dud, at least they’ll have an excuse for its underwhelming performance by leaving it in its current crappy release slot.

        • December 27, 2017 at 7:45 am
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          i think they just want it over with, not much more they can do to salvage it.

        • December 28, 2017 at 4:47 am
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          Mary Poppins comes out in December, so that’s a no-go. Solo might end up being bad, but it would have to be pretty terrible not to make Lucasfilm a boatload of money.

      • December 27, 2017 at 7:49 am
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        Especially with you negative, anti Star Wars folks ripping these films to shreds.

        • December 27, 2017 at 7:50 am
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          We always hurt the ones we love, John.

        • December 27, 2017 at 7:58 am
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          i haven’t ripped anything. but even if i did, i don’t owe a multibillion dollar company owned by another multibillion dollar company anything.

        • December 27, 2017 at 8:03 am
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          So because some people were disappointed and didn’t enjoy TLJ, you mark them as anti-Star Wars??? I think it’s because people actually care about the franchise and don’t blindly love any crap with the words ‘Star Wars’ attached.

          • December 27, 2017 at 3:50 pm
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            Yes, the sign of a true fan is how much you hate it.

          • December 27, 2017 at 5:55 pm
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            we hate to see a film that falls so short in so many ways. We love SW so much that we hate to see SW sub par when it should be greatness!

          • December 27, 2017 at 8:00 pm
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            Well, I suffered through the subpar EU for decades and the subpar prequels, so I think you will live.
            And I did it without whining online constantly and start petitions and asking for the movie to be removed from canon like a little child.

            You did not like it: noted. Then why are you talking about it so much still? Move on.

          • December 27, 2017 at 10:19 pm
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            same reason you are here promoting it. Move on if you don’t like opinions other than yours.
            Fyi…internet wasn’t the same during a good bit of the EU as it is now and you didn’t hear as much bitching because it wasn’t as bad as the Disney stuff. That’s why people get excited about characters like Thrawn!

            prequels lacked good dialog and some stiff acting to be sure. And were not perfecy.The story however blew this new stuff put of the water.

            To be honest, this is so bad as a saga film…they should take it out.

          • December 28, 2017 at 2:48 pm
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            Promoting it? I was here to comment on the holiday box office and lo and behold, I find a bunch of manbabies still whining about a movie they didn’t like.

            Oh, I was on theforce.net Jedi Council Forums starting in 2000, so I am well aware of what the internet was like back then.

            And a lot of that EU stuff was plain awful. Waru? Jacen turning to the dark side? DARK EMPIRE??? Egads.

            That last sentence right there destroys any credibility you have haha. What a whiny, entitled thing to say.

          • December 28, 2017 at 5:33 pm
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            Sure, you promote your point of view just as people who didn’t like it promote theirs. Except I don’t call you names because of your opinion.

            Hey, sure the EU wasn’t perfect. It was still better than what Disney is selling us these days. IMO, Jacen turning was much more interesting than Ben Solo’s turn to the dark side.

            Say what you will, but this movie doesn’t belong in the saga. It’s not just people whining. It has genuine issues that go completely against previous installments. You sure like to sling mud about people’s opinions. Entitled…lol! These new movies paint such a narrative of political undertones, it really makes your comment funny.

            There has never at any point in SW been such a divisive movie. I’m 47 and a hard core fan, collector and SW has been a huge part of my life. I’ll watch, read and play it ALL! But, I can also tell you the good from the bad. And there are many reasons why so many are calling this movie out. I don’t know why you are so protective over the new stuff. But the fact is, you are. Instead of seeing valid points, you call others names because they don’t subscribe to your view of the film. Financially, these movies have become too big to fail. The critics, well do I really need to get into what their opinions amount to? You are on many boards, you see what is taking place. So, don’t pretend it is a vocal minority. This movie will go down as the most hated SW movie ever…just wait and see!

          • December 28, 2017 at 6:36 pm
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            I didn’t call you a name. I was referring to the whiny people who can’t let a bad movie go. If that shoe fits, wear it.

            Nah, the EU wasn’t even remotely Star Wars at times. This is made by people who know SW inside and out, from the art design to the post production. It’s much better than the EU, say what you will.

            Jacen was a joke and Luke acted like a moron, even worse than he did in TLJ. So that’s hilarious.

            It belongs in the saga. People said the same about Empire, haha. You have no leg or argument to stand on besides “I didn’t like it.” Which is fine!

            But since you didn’t like it, it must be removed from the saga? And you laugh at my “entitled” comment? What a joke.

            You haven’t shown me a single valid point, yet. I’ve given you multiple examples of things and you just dismiss them without a proper argument.

            It is a vocal minority because most people are too busy living their lives to worry about this. I think Rogue One’s first half is a mess, but you know what? I said as much and I moved on.

            As long as AOTC and TPM exist, that won’t happen.

            Just wait and see.

          • December 28, 2017 at 7:35 pm
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            It being better is ALL your opinion as mine is that the EU is better. Got it. I was certainly there during the time of release of Empire and don’t ever remember saying that. It was not thought to be as good as ANH…but that was understandable.

            What do you consider valid arguments? You completely try to discredit the force ghost when it is 100% valid. I bring up Luke being out of character, you swat it aside. So, until you are open to reason, why bring up anything else. You have an elitist point of view in that ALL of your comments are 100% accurate and anything or anyone else’s are not.

            And AOTC AND TPM have more depth in story than your beloved TLJ….

            I know that it will never be taken out of canon. I’m just saying in my opinion it should. Call it what you want.

          • December 28, 2017 at 7:35 pm
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            It being better is ALL your opinion as mine is that the EU is better. Got it. I was certainly there during the time of release of Empire and don’t ever remember saying that. It was not thought to be as good as ANH…but that was understandable.

            What do you consider valid arguments? You completely try to discredit the force ghost when it is 100% valid. I bring up Luke being out of character, you swat it aside. So, until you are open to reason, why bring up anything else. You have an elitist point of view in that ALL of your comments are 100% accurate and anything or anyone else’s are not.

            And AOTC AND TPM have more depth in story than your beloved TLJ….

            I know that it will never be taken out of canon. I’m just saying in my opinion it should. Call it what you want.

          • December 28, 2017 at 9:10 pm
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            Yeah, I understand what opinions are. I also understand the origins of the EU and how they weren’t really in line with anything Lucas was doing.

            It was divisive and some people hated Empire. It wasn’t seen as universally great until years later. Time will tell on this one.

            The Force Ghost? What about it? You can’t have ghosts just get your characters out of jams all the time.

            I didn’t swat it aside, hahaha. That’s what you do. I provided an example of Luke in ROTJ doing the very same thing, having a moment of weakness. Try to keep up, sir.

            My comments are accurate because I provide evidence when I say something. You say it has no depth, I show how it does. Someone says it is nihilistic, I point out the movie has a clear message, which is the opposite of nihilistic.

            Please let me know when you come back to reality because you seem to be misremembering things here.

            TPM and AOTC have dense stories, yes. They don’t really make sense or hold up to scrutiny, but I was speaking of thematic depth, of which TLJ has in spades.

            Ok: your opinion is bad. That’s what I want to call it. Entitled and bad.
            Sorry you didn’t like this one, maybe Solo will be more for you.

            or, since you decided to hate everything new now, you will probably dislike it as well.

          • December 28, 2017 at 10:08 pm
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            I also understand the origins of the EU…and over time how Lucas incorporated parts of it.
            You are correct, time will tell. Although Empire cannot be compared to TLJ in divisiveness.

            They wrote the ghost in,,,so why wouldn’t they show? Ben showed to assist Luke and connect him with yoda? Qui Gon spoke and helped Yoda. They all showed up at the end of ROTJ…FOR WHAT, THEY PARTY ON ENDOR? No, they are valid because they were included in many formats of media. Now, they have Yoda just show up to drop lightening on the ancient tree and hit Luke with his cain???

            Your evidence seems to be based on your perspective of the film. And sure, I may not remember the entire conversation, as I answer these in short moments (no excuse).

            Thematic depth?? Really? Attempted thematic depth maybe, just as many of the jokes fell so flat. His attempt at the depth was just an effort that could easily be seen. Rose and Finn…thin, very thin attempt at giving Finn an arc. His arc would have been better if he would have sacrificed himself for the resistance and Rose, instead of her saving him.

            Your opinion of mine is funny . really funny!!! I hate that I didn’t like it either. Of all the new films, I had hoped Rian would really show up. He didn’t. I have no expectations for the Solo movie and that could be a good thing! It won’t have a hard time impressing me.

            on a separate note, you don’t think they could have used characters like Jaina, Mara Jade or Ben Skywalker in these sequels? Everyone cheered when Thrawn was brought into canon…

          • December 29, 2017 at 3:32 pm
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            The ghosts can’t show up all the time. Remember Obi Wan to Luke in Empire: “I cannot interfere.”

            They can show up to give advice when needed, but maybe they aren’t needed until that moment. it worked out in the end.
            Lucas’s own outline of Episode 7 did not have Mara, Jacen or Jaina.

            And no, because I know their stories already. I have a library full of them. I would like to see NEW stories with new characters.

            Thrawn was a cool touch, but his story is now very different. That’s fine by me. I have the old story already.

          • December 29, 2017 at 3:56 pm
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            You said it…they can show up to give advice when needed. I’d say that Luke would have needed that advice in the building of the new Jedi order and more specifically in Ben’s turn to darkness. It is something that can’t be ignored, but was. A flaw or something that will need explaining. If Luke shows back up to assist in 9 as a ghost, then it really adds to the problem.

            They spent a lot of time at the end of clone wars series for Yoda to have this training to pass on. It just makes no sense for them to passively dismiss what the training was for. Or we need to know exactly what kind of interactions they are allowed to have and who does or doesn’t sets these rules. Obi Wan couldn’t interfere physically but was always there to give advice, and council even with Yoda on Dagobah.

            I know Lucas did not have them, I’m just saying it would have been nice to introduce them in a new way. Powerful characters that could have added something, imo of course. And like Thrawn, with a different story to a degree.

            This is just me,,,I would have loved to find out that Rey was Mara’s daughter and Luke never knew. Mara hid her there with intention to return but was somehow killed by Snoke. Then have them both find out together of their relationship. But, that’s just me.

          • December 29, 2017 at 4:50 pm
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            I think the ghosts are a storytelling crutch that should be used sparingly. That’s my take on it.

            As for the other characters, I would submit that altering them does them a disservice. Mara Jade’s acr from Emperor’s Hand to Jedi and Luke’s wife is what makes her great. Undoing that and just having a woman named Mara Jade be in it feels like pandering (which is what some want).

            Mara Jade in name only isn’t Mara Jade.

          • December 29, 2017 at 5:30 pm
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            Oh no, I would have her as being the hand, that met Luke, fell in love and got pregnant and left Luke…she would still very much have been Mara Jade. We just would not have seen her except for possibly in visions of the past. Of course it doen’t matter, just wishful thinking on my part.

      • December 27, 2017 at 5:50 pm
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        it’s going to bomb…I have a bad feeling about this.

      • December 27, 2017 at 9:23 pm
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        Kasdan wrote the script, Ron Howard directed it, so those are two good reasons to think the movie will be humorous, well paced and plotted, and be a solid addition to the SW film canon.

    • December 27, 2017 at 8:12 am
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      The Force Awakens didn’t reach 1 billion in the US. No film has. The highest grossing film is TFA at $936 million.

    • December 27, 2017 at 3:50 pm
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      “fiasco” HAHHAHAHAHAHAHASHHA

    • December 27, 2017 at 5:51 pm
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      ignore the Disney PR bots that always show. They will not admit any faults to these new movies.

    • December 27, 2017 at 6:30 pm
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      Given that we are being told that this incarnation of the character is going to be different to what we are used to (Not to mention a totally different actor) combined with the fallout from how the character of Luke has been received, I have to think that some of the suits at Disney are a little nervous.

      To be honest, I’d be surprised if it didn’t make a barrel load of money anyway.

      Star Wars numbers …hmmm?

    • December 27, 2017 at 6:30 pm
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      Given that we are being told that this incarnation of the character is going to be different to what we are used to (Not to mention a totally different actor) combined with the fallout from how the character of Luke has been received, I have to think that some of the suits at Disney are a little nervous.

      To be honest, I’d be surprised if it didn’t make a barrel load of money anyway.

      Star Wars numbers …hmmm?

    • December 28, 2017 at 4:45 am
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      “TLJ wont reach 1 billion in the US by Far”

      No one expected it to. Grossing (probably) $1.6 billion and garnering critical acclaim is not a fiasco. I know that TLJ haters love to inflate their own importance, but you’re not as special as you think. Solo will do just fine.

      • December 28, 2017 at 6:30 am
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        I’m sure Disney expected it to, or they would’ve tried a little harder. Before seeing this film I thought it was gonna make at least 800-900 US, seriously I dont think it’s got the legs to do $1.6 worldwide, stating the facts is not inflating, saying this was great movie, is.

        • December 28, 2017 at 7:02 am
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          1. If you expected that, good for you, but no one else did. Star Wars sequels (the second in each trilogy) routinely see a drop of 30% financially from the first film. TLJ is no different, and you shouldn’t have expected it to be.

          2. Well it’ll be at a billion basically by 2018, so we’ll see, won’t we? It’ll definitely do 1.4 to 1.5.

          3. Opinions are not “inflating”. They’re opinions.

          • December 28, 2017 at 6:25 pm
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            Ok then, it’s a huge success, whatever.

  • December 27, 2017 at 7:15 am
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    Christmas being during the weekend for the previous two films is something I hadn’t considered. I would say that is probably the main reason for the low 3-day weekend.

    • December 27, 2017 at 7:40 am
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      She’s gonna find a horse’s head in her bed tomorrow.

    • December 27, 2017 at 10:25 am
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      “Non partisan”?!

      She’s a DC fan girl who pushed the whole anti-DC narrative over Batman V Superman, and continues to do so. I know she enjoyed The Last Jedi, but she’s loving the movie not doing as well as The Force Awakens. She comes across as anti-Disney to be honest, guessing because she got canned from Marvel.

      https://youtu.be/kfGTO1rV_pk

        • December 27, 2017 at 7:57 pm
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          So the critics were paid off by Marvel to trash Batman V Superman?
          ]

  • December 27, 2017 at 8:10 am
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    Here is something people never talk about. When this film was made FOX owned distribution rights on the original trilogy. I think FOX owns ANH in perpetuity and even if 5,6 are part of the new Disney/Fox deal it still isn’t totally theirs. So we have Disney plagiarizing a movie and in a sense replacing it. Then we have Disney destroying the characters, stakes and other two movies and wanting to replace them. If Disney acquired them in the FOX deal, they also weakened FOX’s position at the bargaining table since their property was damaged. So the deconstruction may not be all because Rian Johnson simply hates the original Star Wars and everything about it. Some of this may have been calculated. They probably figured they could release despecialized for the “old fans” and the “new” fans would only accept Disney Star Wars as Star Wars. I think they underestimated the new fans.

    • December 27, 2017 at 3:50 pm
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      This is false.

    • December 27, 2017 at 5:21 pm
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      That’s tin foil hat speech, do you want to throw some ancient alien stuff and NASA is false as well?

    • December 27, 2017 at 5:48 pm
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      When the aliens abducted you…did you get the probe too?

    • December 27, 2017 at 6:25 pm
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      Nothing wrong with thinking outside the box but be careful of the tinfoil hat when standing too close to the microwave.

  • December 27, 2017 at 8:12 am
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    With these new characters nothing is earned, there is no real struggle and there isn’t much difference between “good” and “evil”. It’s complete nihilism, with narcissist writers (which is why some characters are just good at everything) and some misanthropy thrown in. Even the darkest of the Star Wars movies left you with hope. Luke held his sister with his new hand. You knew they were going to go after Han. You knew Luke was going to have to confront some things. What is there to look forward with in 9? Why should we care? I don’t care who romances who because nothing has been set up for it. I don’t care if Rey wins. I don’t care if Kylo Ren is redeemed. There is no threat that Rey will fall to the dark side because Yoda basically said she was perfect and knows everything.The heart and soul has been ripped out of the franchise. Nothing really matters. The original trilogy victory meant nothing. The messiah prophecy and balance meant nothing.

    • December 27, 2017 at 12:21 pm
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      Very well put. Sums up very well how I felt about it. The whole thing feels sterile and lazy to me.

    • December 27, 2017 at 12:36 pm
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      I had hope… but it slipped away with TLJ. Now I’m like you. Left wondering why I should care about any of these events.

      It’s at the point now I treat the NT like I do the PT. I don’t really count them. They’ve moved too far away from what Star Wars was. I still like Rogue One even if it’s characters are more concepts than actually developed.

      I’m more looking forward to original ideas. Yes even the Rian trilogy. If nothing more than it’s no longer beholden to the saga. We’ve wasted enough time there. Let’s explore this galaxy and stop damaging the legacy.

      The Solo movie? I… wish they’d never even attempted it.

    • December 27, 2017 at 3:49 pm
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      You don’t understand anything about the movie.

      • December 27, 2017 at 5:44 pm
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        Oh… an intellectual! Haw Haw….

        • December 27, 2017 at 7:57 pm
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          Well, you are the one throwing around nihilism, without knowing what it means.

          You really think the movie is nihilistic? Given the very obvious themes it puts forth? That’s laughable.

          This movie also leaves you with hope and if you missed that, then once again: you did not understand the movie.

          You can insult me all you want, but at least I know what the words I use mean.

          • December 27, 2017 at 10:40 pm
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            So clearly everyone who is disappointed with this film just does not understand it…
            And mate, you are the one throwing around the insults.

          • December 28, 2017 at 2:45 pm
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            I didn’t say that. Don’t make things up.
            Learn how to read, MATE.

            I’ve stated several times that many people have valid reasons for disliking the movie. And that some people, like you, just don’t understand the movie and maybe if you did, you might like it better. or you might not. But you clearly don’t get it.

            Learn what words mean.

          • December 28, 2017 at 5:22 pm
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            Oh, I do understand the movie. I understand the themes. But a Trilogy movie needs more than just themes. It needs a goddamn story that is not a rip off of the original films. It needs a main protagonist that actually has a real challenge and does not make everything she does look incredibly easy. Compare Luke’s trial in Empire and Jedi with Rey’s journey…. Luke really suffers in that film, he barely escapes Vader and is traumatised significantly. In TLJ I was never in the slightest doubt that Rey was in any real danger. She escapes with a slight wound to her shoulder and now, apparently, she has everything she needs to rebuild the Jedi. It’s lazy storytelling and character development. Finn, one of the best characters, gets basically nothing to do and no real development. Additionally, I could list the tonal problems, story structure problems and inappropriate, flat humour as detrimental to telling a good story.

      • December 27, 2017 at 5:47 pm
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        here we go…I know you hate it, but there isn’t as much depth in this movie as you think there is. Why do you think it is receiving so much hate? Is everyone wrong?

        • December 27, 2017 at 7:59 pm
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          “Everyone” (Not everyone)

          “So much” (a vocal minority)

          No, kid, I think people are allowed to dislike something, but the reasons THIS person stated are blatantly wrong and based upon ignorance or a misreading of the movie.

          How many times do I have to repeat this?

          There is plenty of depth in the movie, just happens to be some that people didn’t like. That’s fine.
          But at least understand it, unlike Godlikesaliartoo.

          • December 27, 2017 at 8:40 pm
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            people may not fully understand their own reasons for disliking it. It doesn’t make them any less valid.

          • December 27, 2017 at 8:46 pm
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            That’s true, but when they say them out loud to others, I am allowed to take them at face value and rebut them.

          • December 27, 2017 at 10:10 pm
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            of course you are. But it doesn’t make you right. I’m glad the movie was all rainbows and sunshine for you, and had this artsy depth you believe exist.
            it wasn’t that way for a good many. And the line “kill the past”, well…theres no doubt that DOES have a depth in meaning. Kill the old hero’s and fans of the old SW….and accept this new version Disney gives you…..no thanks for that kind of depth

          • December 28, 2017 at 2:48 pm
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            That line comes from the VILLAIN. Which Rey REJECTS because she turns away from him and ALSO saves the Jedi books.

            SHE IS EMBRACING THE PAST AND FORGING A NEW FUTURE AT THE SAME TIME.

            Did you even watch it? Honestly?

          • December 28, 2017 at 5:20 pm
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            Twice…same conclusion. They are killing the past and she (we) are to embrace the new future. This is more than a vocal minority regardless of what some say. This movie has major issues as a saga film. Sorry man, I just can’t buy into it.

          • December 28, 2017 at 6:37 pm
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            I give you evidence and you provide none of your own. How is her saving the books “killing the past?”

            It isn’t. You have nothing hahaha. Nothing at all.

            It’s a great movie with some flaws.

            Disliking it is fine and understandable. Wanting it removed from canon is whiny baby bullshit.

          • December 28, 2017 at 7:05 pm
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            I’m not in a court of law or in a debate forum. I don’t need to provide anything to you, except my view of the film. Killing the past within it’s characters, fan base and the way the movies are perceived… your smart enough that I shouldn’t have to spell it out or talk a little slower.

            My opinion of wanting it removed from canon to keep the saga intact is no different than your high praise of it. It is all opinions. Grow up with the name calling, kid. Understand we don’t all subscribe to your point of view.

          • December 28, 2017 at 9:14 pm
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            If you want to argue properly, you need to provide something other than just an opinion, which is what I am doing. I am not saying “THE MOVIE IS GREAT AND YOU HAVE TO LIKE IT!”

            I am saying the things you say are not accurate and here is why.

            I provided an example on killing the past and how Rey rejects it. You just swat it aside haha.

            High praise? I said it had flaws and I didn’t care for the whole Finn thing and a lot of the moments that earned are not expanded on enough. I said I loved the movie, but show me, please, show me this “high praise” you have imagined. Seriously: go through my comments and find me high praise. I will wait.

            “Grow up with the name calling, kid.” hahahaha what a hypocrite. You can call me names all you want, having seen how you argue, your POV means so little to me.

            I never said you have to subscribe to my point of view. I have said over and over that you can dislike the movie. Can you read? Has that sunk in yet? Dislike it all you want. Just don’t make things up or act like your entitled viewpoint is the majority or because you think you are a bigger fan that it makes you right.

            Stay on target.

            Kid.

          • December 28, 2017 at 9:14 pm
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            If you want to argue properly, you need to provide something other than just an opinion, which is what I am doing. I am not saying “THE MOVIE IS GREAT AND YOU HAVE TO LIKE IT!”

            I am saying the things you say are not accurate and here is why.

            I provided an example on killing the past and how Rey rejects it. You just swat it aside haha.

            High praise? I said it had flaws and I didn’t care for the whole Finn thing and a lot of the moments that earned are not expanded on enough. I said I loved the movie, but show me, please, show me this “high praise” you have imagined. Seriously: go through my comments and find me high praise. I will wait.

            “Grow up with the name calling, kid.” hahahaha what a hypocrite. You can call me names all you want, having seen how you argue, your POV means so little to me.

            I never said you have to subscribe to my point of view. I have said over and over that you can dislike the movie. Can you read? Has that sunk in yet? Dislike it all you want. Just don’t make things up or act like your entitled viewpoint is the majority or because you think you are a bigger fan that it makes you right.

            Stay on target.

            Kid.

          • December 28, 2017 at 9:42 pm
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            I will look, maybe I am assuming high praise because your defense is so stiff. I haven’t called you any names…the “kid” comment was a swat back at you from a previous conversation. I’m not arguing or even trying. Hell, I’m at work as I send these little comments. But, if you’d like …we can have a proper debate on the film. But only if you will concede when a point is made. I will certainly make more time to be thorough in my replies to you. But you will need to be patient in response.

            I absolutely know without doubt that my opinion is not the majority, nor that I am the biggest fan. I do not see me as being entitled at all.Though, I am a lifetime fan and it is my escape and passion as a hobby.

            You are certainly an intelligent person and I owe you better responses than I give most on here. So, I will do better in that regard.

          • December 28, 2017 at 9:57 pm
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            I agree and I will do the same.

            Look, I have no issue with you not liking it. Again! Haha, I am not trying to convince you. But when you (or someone else) base it on something that I find to be a misreading, I might point out how I saw it. That’s all.

            I have a friend who says that Finn didn’t change at all during the movie. That’s astonishing to me because it’s obvious he did. Pointing it out didn’t make him like the movie any more. But he understood what I saw in it a little better.

            That’s all I am trying to do. Continue disliking it, by all means. I’ve hated Dark Empire since I first read it and will never stop hating it. But I’ve moved on haha

      • December 27, 2017 at 6:32 pm
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        Quite the opposite. We understand everything about the movie – we see exactly what Rian Johnson was aiming at, and the final result is hollow and disappointing. He wanted to subvert everything about SW, and he accomplished his goal. I don’t have a problem with him or Disney doing that with SW in the long run, but doing it with the core story of the Skywalkers is problematic – especially after so much was set up in TFA. Not only does TLJ deconstruct and subvert I-VI, it seems to throw out everything in TFA, too. I didn’t have any expected outcomes or arcs for TLJ before seeing it (other than I wanted to see heroic Luke again), but what I saw wasn’t satisfying in terms of story, character arc, or character development.

        • December 27, 2017 at 7:56 pm
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          I was speaking specifically to Godlikesaliartoo, not to anyone else. Based on what he is saying, he did not understand the movie.

          There are plenty of people who dislike the movie who do. But I am going off what he said.

          I disagree with your assessment, but you are free to feel that way.

        • December 27, 2017 at 8:24 pm
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          You might want to tell that to this guy:

          https://wizarddojo.com/2017/12/15/star-wars-the-last-jedi-early-thoughts-spoiler-free/

          A quote from that article shows he’s willing to listen to you guys:

          “I also can’t wait to see how fanboys will find the stupidest reasons to hate The Last Jedi due to it not being a part of their childhood nostalgia, while also trying to rewrite history and pretend that the prequels were ever any good. You know it’s going to happen. No matter how good these new Star Wars movies get (and they’ve been great so far), Star Wars nerds will find any reason to whine. Oh well, their loss.”

        • December 28, 2017 at 4:46 am
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          Rian would have been far better suited for a SPIN OFF movie — and kept AWAY from the Saga. Give him a “spin off” and let him screw up whatever he wants!

    • December 27, 2017 at 5:46 pm
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      I don’t agree but I took my wife to see TLJ last night and she was saying something similar…that now the trilogy has recycled to do it all over again like the OT.

      Maybe a whole new, fresh and unassociated trilogy is what the franchise needs.

    • December 28, 2017 at 7:34 pm
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      Nothing you say makes sense.

      Hyperbolic nonsense.

      Nothing earned? No struggle?

      Nonsense.

      There is nothing nihilistic about TLJ.

      No Misanthropy either.

      I think you are using words you don’t understand.

      (inconceivable!!)

      No hope? That final shot was the most hopeful thing in the ENTIRE series!

      Why should there be a threat that Rey will fall to the dark side??

      Rey and ren are compelling characters. If you don’t think so then clearly these new Star Wars films are not for you and you should just step away from this entire new trilogy.

      • December 28, 2017 at 8:34 pm
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        And your blind love for these films is hyperbolic nonsense too. It works both ways.

      • December 28, 2017 at 8:38 pm
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        You can’t honestly say that Rey’s journey is anywhere near as compelling as Luke’s in the OT. Exactly what challenge or struggle has she faced?

  • December 27, 2017 at 8:40 am
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    Empire got a similar reception on release. In time people will come to see this film as fantastic.

    • December 27, 2017 at 11:53 am
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      Agreed.
      I wonder how ESB would’ve fared if the 80’s had the internet..

      • December 27, 2017 at 5:43 pm
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        Exactly. Moresoe ROTJ probably would have received some TLJ – like “it’s a mess” hate.

    • December 27, 2017 at 5:23 pm
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      I keep reading this recently, but so far I am aware only of a couple of readers letters from a copy of Starlog.

      I was 14 years old when TESB came out and I don’t remember anyone who cared about the original or SciFi in general being remotely disappointed. All I can recall is that there was a lot of debate about whether Vader was telling Luke the truth.

      I simply do not remember this being an issue. If you look at ROTJ however, there was a sense of disappointment with that picture, but that was more to do with Ewoks and a second Death Star.

      • December 27, 2017 at 5:37 pm
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        Being there I can tell you that the early reception of ESB was good but was noted that it was not as good as ANH. But everyone was blown away thinking Han was dead and couldn’t believe “I’m your Father” moment.

        At the time ROTJ was loved by the majority and only over time did it start to get beat up on a bit.

        • December 27, 2017 at 5:41 pm
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          I remember ROTJ was a mixed bag for me and my friends at the time. We were 10 for Star Wars in ’77 and it felt like ROTJ hadn’t matured with us. Some of it was truly awesome, but Boba Fett’s comedic demise in the Sarlac pit, excessive muppetry and teddy bears with spears…was hard to take. Lucas lost it on Endor.

          • December 27, 2017 at 5:44 pm
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            we liked it…although looking back, Boba deserved better…lol

          • December 27, 2017 at 6:55 pm
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            Boba Fett, BOBA FETT, where is he?!

            Phasma got a better end.

        • December 27, 2017 at 6:14 pm
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          The thing which separates TESB and TLJ, is that Empire was the sequel to a bona fide phenomenon. We see a lot of films these days that have earned more (Not counting for inflation of course), but the original Star Wars was something special in a way that has never been repeated. Nothing following that had a chance to meet the impossibly high expectations, but somehow with Empire they did it to the extent that I can’t remember a single person disliking it at the time.

          Regarding ROTJ, I’ve never had a cinemagoing experience like it. Cheering and applause at each spectacular moment was unveiled*. Definately a fan favourite at the time.

          *We’re talking a normally reserved British audience!

      • December 27, 2017 at 5:37 pm
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        I had the same reaction to both for the same reasons. I remember being angry at the end of ESB but only because it was a true cliffhanger and I knew it would be years to wait for the next one…a few repeat trips and VHS put it on a pedestal over the years.

      • December 28, 2017 at 2:43 am
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        I’ve got similar memories, except I don’t recall anyone being disappointed with RotJ either.

        • December 30, 2017 at 2:42 am
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          I was 9 when Jedi was out and in Spain it was a big success. Never heard a complain. And I loved the ewoks. Still my most beloved episode…..no desire to rewatch Last Jedi ever…

    • December 27, 2017 at 5:32 pm
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      I disagree…I think it will only get worse. TFA has even suffered as time has gone on. This new Star Wars is an empty shell.

    • December 27, 2017 at 5:32 pm
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      I disagree…I think it will only get worse. TFA has even suffered as time has gone on. This new Star Wars is an empty shell.

      • December 27, 2017 at 7:16 pm
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        I actaully agree with that mostly because George Lucas isn’t involved anymore. They’re basically fan films. Films by Star Wars fans for Star Wars fans. They’ll never live up to the first 6 films. But I still loved TLJ it was miles better than TFA.

        • December 27, 2017 at 7:54 pm
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          Actually, they’ll never live up to the first 3* films! 😉

    • December 27, 2017 at 7:00 pm
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      No it didn’t. I was there.

        • December 27, 2017 at 7:19 pm
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          An apologist piece written 37 years after the fact. People loved Empire and were excited about all the revelations. I think if you were to inject the humor found in TLJ into Empire back then, the reaction would have been different.

      • December 27, 2017 at 9:33 pm
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        So was I and your right it didn’t. There were genuine shocks in Empire that we had to wait for Jedi to be resolved. There’s nothing like that in TLJ. All TLJ has done is yank the carpet out from under episode IX. I don’t envy JJs job. He’s got his work cut out now.

  • December 27, 2017 at 8:44 am
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    Top ten meaningless indicators of how good a movie is:
    1. How much money it made in the first weekend.
    2. How much less money it made the second weekend.
    3. How much money it made or lost in total.
    4. How much more or less money it made compared to another film.
    5. Online rating systems.
    6. Online surveys.
    7. Comments on YouTube videos.
    8. Comments on fan sites.
    9. The opinions of your circle of friends.
    10. The degree to which it met or parted from your expectations.

    • December 27, 2017 at 9:01 am
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      Conclusion: there are no meaningful indicators… Especially when you realize that others disagree with you.

      • December 27, 2017 at 5:02 pm
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        Not at all what I’m saying.

        • December 27, 2017 at 6:59 pm
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          I’m anxious to see the list of valid indicators of how good the movie is. (And please note, I’m not being sarcastic, I’m truly interested.)

    • December 27, 2017 at 2:24 pm
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      The only one who can say wether or not you like a movie is yourself. That’s pretty obvious since movies are art and liking/disliking art is subjective. There is however a tendency in the general public to like some movies and dislike other movies. If you ask people if they think “Paul Blart: Mall Cop” is a better movie than “Citizen Kane” then the answer is probably 99% no. Of course you can ignore this feedback and decide for yourself, which of these two movies is better. But to expect people to not disagree with you, especially if you visit a website dedicated to “Paul Blart vs Citizen Kane” is naive. So your list means very little unless you think that (art)critizism is useless in its entirety.

      • December 27, 2017 at 5:17 pm
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        I like Paul Blart 🙂
        Funnily, the sequel to that also threw away all that he achieved in the original film.

    • December 28, 2017 at 2:42 am
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      But we aren’t talking about some subjective notion of ‘how good it is’. We’re talking about how much people like or dislike it, which is ultimately what Disney cares about because it speaks to the health of the brand. If that’s the question then ALL of those things are good data points.

      • December 28, 2017 at 10:30 am
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        What about people like me ? Enjoyed it, but disappointed in plotting, yet will have seen it 5 times ? 🙂

    • December 28, 2017 at 7:15 pm
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      The only true indicator of a films merit is its longevity.

      Cinema is full of films that made no money, that no one saw, that were critical disasters that are now regarded as classics.

      In this respect I believe that TLJ, while not a classic, will age just fine along side the other chapters. Not as a perfect piece of cinema like Star Wars, or as a sequel as perfect as Empire, but as a solid and interesting film in the series.

  • December 27, 2017 at 9:01 am
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    One point that no one has yet raised – The trailers for TLJ had roughly half the views as the Force Awakens did and less than movies like Thor Ragnarock and the New Avengers. A possible indication that there simply wasn’t as much anticipation for this movie going in as we might have thought. You can come up with theories as to why that was, but it’s worth considering that whether people thought the film was good or not, considerably less people (outside of the fan base) were interested in seeing it in the first place.

    • December 27, 2017 at 2:14 pm
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      It simply means that the trailer was rather boring and not something that people felt like rewatching over and over again. Just look at the statement concering the TLJ trailer which was made on the official starwars.com website: In just 24 hours, the trailer was viewed more than 120.1 million times worldwide, making it one of the biggest trailer debuts of all time => people saw it, they didn’t care too much about it.

      The presales for TFA and TLJ were almost identical which means that there was similar interest in the movie to begin with but it rapidly dropped after people got to see the movie. Personally I have only seen TLJ twice. I saw TFA 4 times in cinema (same with R1) but TLJ only made me come back once, mainly because I wanted to process what I just had seen and not because I wanted see it again.

      I will watch TLJ again once it comes out on blueray which means that I can skip some of the parts of the movie that just keep dragging on and on without adding much to the story. I can imagine that a lot of people didn’t feel the need to sit through almost 3 hours of Star Wars for a only a couple of really good scenes compared to the fast paced TFA and R1. Not even Bladerunner 2049 managed to do that, a movie far superior in most aspects compared to TLJ.

      • December 27, 2017 at 5:16 pm
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        I’ve only seen TLJ once which is a first for me. I was so disappointed with it that I can’t bring my self to go to the cinema to watch it again. I will wait until the blu-ray and hope it seems better then.

      • December 27, 2017 at 6:24 pm
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        Both trailers had less than half of those as TFA. And of course the die hard SW fans bought tickets in advance and were there on opening night. I’m talking about less interest that was evident in the general public regarding the film leading up to release.

  • December 27, 2017 at 9:59 am
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    I liked the movie, Rose was pointless though and only added for PC reasons, Finn is badly under utilised, he should be getting sent on under cover SF type missions using his knowledge of the First Order.

    The main thing that got me mad was that they destroyed Luke’s character. If they hadn’t trashed Luke I could’ve gotten past any other minor faults with the film. Hell this could’ve easily been my favourite film if they’d written Luke properly.

    • December 27, 2017 at 3:49 pm
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      If you think she was pointless, then you missed the point.

      As for PC reasons, that says it all about you right there

      • December 27, 2017 at 5:30 pm
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        Point is…there was no point to miss. She was a worthless character in the film. Cringe worthy…

        • December 27, 2017 at 6:41 pm
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          If Holdo was deleted from the story, they could have worked together to engineer something more direct for Rose and Finn to do on Snoke’s ship…more like in the infiltration mission on DS1 in the original Star Wars.

          I though Rose and Finn had great chemistry. Their useless side mission to the PT was cringe worthy

          • December 30, 2017 at 2:35 am
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            Wow….but I was speechless when she kissed him and many in my theater laughed….some of us were not convinced…

        • December 27, 2017 at 8:02 pm
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          That shows you also don’t understand it.

          Rose is there to show Finn a different side of the galaxy, one he hasn’t seen. She exposes him the inequality that the First Order thrives on and gives him a reason to not just fight for Rey, but to fight for all the people who need a hero, the downtrodden.
          That’s why he ends up fully joining the Resistance at the end.

          “No point to miss”

          “Worthless”

          The only thing that makes me cringe is your lack of understanding.

          When you actually showcase that you have grasped the depth of the movie, then we can talk. Because right now it seems like you didn’t even see it.

          • December 27, 2017 at 8:38 pm
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            twice…there is NO DEPTH. Did they attempt it, yep. But it missed.

          • December 27, 2017 at 8:47 pm
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            Just keep telling yourself that.

          • December 27, 2017 at 10:04 pm
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            I have, twice!

      • December 27, 2017 at 8:47 pm
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        You know who is pointless? Han in ROTJ. Does nothing after getting rescued.

    • December 27, 2017 at 5:33 pm
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      Luke having a moment of weakness and self-doubt hardly trashes his character. It made him more real and interesting. Yoda kicks him in the ass and he redeems himself. I thought his struggle to come back around was a highlight of the movie and Mark was awesome.

      • December 27, 2017 at 5:45 pm
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        Mark was awesome…Luke…meh

        • December 27, 2017 at 6:38 pm
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          Fair enough.

          For me, I loved his portrayal as an uber powerful (possibly Ach-To amplified?) Jedi master

      • December 27, 2017 at 9:27 pm
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        It wasn’t just a moment of weakness. It was 6 YEARS of weakness. Even after he finds out Han is dead, Leia is in trouble, and the Republic was destroyed he still was bent on suicide rather than helping.

        #NotMyLukeSkywalker

        • December 27, 2017 at 10:37 pm
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          The moment of weakness was when he was standing over Ben considering, for a moment, striking him down. It’s what followed that was his personal struggle.

          Sure, it took a kick from Rey and Yoda to shake Luke from his depression, guilt and pacifism. I don’t think his perspective regarding personal failure and lost faith (Jedi order) in this movie is at all inconsistent with someone who has hit rock-bottom. In his eyes he failed hard, like other Jedi masters before him…and he feared that to get involved again would make it worse.

          TLJ has to explain why he is “vanished” at Jedi central but unreachable. I think what we got is more interesting than he was just out of cell range or had the comm off or was screening caller id for the Resistance or the Solos. The magnitude of the force power he used to confront Kylo justified Snoke’s fear of his return.

      • December 28, 2017 at 4:24 am
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        The Yoda-Luke scene was horrid. What should have been amazing and emotional turned into Yoda coming back, cracking jokes, and basically playing a Practical Joke on Luke. This is not Star Wars, this is the perversion of Ruin Johnson.

        • December 28, 2017 at 4:32 am
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          Did you even WATCH The Empire Strikes Back? Yoda is introduced as a muppet that wrestles R2-D2 for some food for like 5 minutes. But yeah, TLJ perverted the character. Okay, pal.

          • December 30, 2017 at 2:31 am
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            Tud, my friend, I very often like your opinions but in this you are not remembering ESB correctly. Yoda was testing Luke and his patience by pretending to be a fool. He actually was not. From the moment Luke realizes he’s the Jedi Master Yoda was just the wise old master. So the thing in TLJ was not coherent…

          • December 30, 2017 at 2:44 am
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            All I was pointing out was that having Yoda make a joke about boring Jedi books is nothing compared to some of the flat-out ridiculous things the character has already done, like that hilarious fight with Dooku.

    • December 28, 2017 at 10:50 pm
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      Rose served to show that heroism can come from the most (seemingly) mundane of places and she’s a symbol of the type of people that the Resistance is really fighting for. If you think she was ONLY hired for diversity’s sake, prove it.

  • December 27, 2017 at 10:49 am
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    And the clothes iron? I have been to various threads and few people seem to give importance to the clothes iron. Maybe it’s the point that has divided the SW community and no one knows

    • December 27, 2017 at 11:50 am
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      A much as I loved the movie, that was my second least favourite scene. Straight out of the parody handbook.

      My 3 least favourite scenes:

      1. Maz Kanata
      2. The clothes iron
      3. Screaming CGI alien that Finn and Rose almost mow down in the Casino

      • December 27, 2017 at 5:17 pm
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        None of those are dealbreakers for me

        • December 27, 2017 at 7:55 pm
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          No. Me neither. They were just the main 3 scenes that didn’t work for me.

      • December 27, 2017 at 5:30 pm
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        add 4. Fathiers to that, hated them all.

        None are dealbreakers for me either.

        • December 27, 2017 at 7:54 pm
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          I didn’t have a problem with the Faithers themselves. But, I can see why people did.

        • December 27, 2017 at 7:54 pm
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          I didn’t have a problem with the Faithers themselves. But, I can see why people did.

        • December 27, 2017 at 8:51 pm
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          I swear I’m the only person who loved the fathiers.

          • December 27, 2017 at 10:15 pm
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            The concept was ok, but when you put recognizable emotions on a beast…you lose me. I did laugh at the porg campfire scene, so I guess I’m all over the place

        • December 27, 2017 at 10:17 pm
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          Forgot one…the drawling PT alien “I told those two not to park that shuttle on the beach”…why?

    • December 27, 2017 at 5:14 pm
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      It’s a nod to Hardware Wars, the first ever fan film.
      Personally I can do without nods to this, that and the other.

  • December 27, 2017 at 6:20 pm
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    It’s very much a case of ‘The Emperor’s New Clothes’ here. For some reason everyone is applauding TLJ as some sort of high-brow art film. When in reality it is simply a remake of the OT. Yes, I agree their were many striking visuals and Mark Hamill was great. But for god sake, give Rey an actual ‘Heroes Journey’. Give her a challenge… let her stumble and fail… injure her physically and psychologically. Her ‘perfection’ in the story just makes me yawn. And please give John Boyega something to do. He is brilliant in the role, but ultimately wasted in a nonsensical storyline.

  • December 27, 2017 at 8:31 pm
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    So I saw this movie for the second time a few days ago with my dad. For those that haven’t seen my previous comments, I wasn’t a huge fan.
    After seeing TLJ for the second time, my opinion on it being one of the weakest entries into the SW universe hasn’t changed. HOWEVER, I wouldn’t say it’s a terrible movie and found that it does have some redeeming qualities. It’s a really beautifully filmed movie, maybe the best in the Saga. While I didn’t like the direction Rian Johnson took with Luke Skywalker, Hamill played the part phenomenally. Also, even though Luke is a quitter, I can respect the tremendous power in the he force it took for him to projects himself across the galaxy, so he’s a bad ass quitter, I guess. The dynamic between Rey and Kylo is interesting. I still hated the lack of backstory given to Snoke. Rose was given more backstory in a 2 minute scene, would it have been THAT hard to drop a few bits of info about Snoke whilst he was talking to Rey? It just felt lazy to me. Biggest WTF moment is still and always will be Super Leia flying through space. I understand the point trying to be made, but it felt cheap and unauthentic. I enjoyed the Yoda scene the first time around, and enjoyed it even more this time.
    It was my dads first time seeing the movie, and afterwards I asked his thoughts. He really enjoyed it and said he would rank it in his top 3 SW films. My dad has seen every SW movie in theaters since ANH, and collects some memorabilia. He never read any EU novels, (though I told him about the ones I really enjoyed) and I think because of that he was able to go into this installment and ride out all of twists, and even enjoy them. He had his issues with a few things (Space Leia, Snokes Backstory) but found the movie to be enjoyable.
    While my opinion towards it remains the same, I can understand why fans have enjoyed this movie. Although I don’t like a lot of the decisions made, I’m glad that Star Wars is alive and well. I may not love the movie, but I love the universe to which it belongs.
    Also, TOTALLY MISSED the Jedi books being aboard The Falcon at the end of the movie the first time I saw it. I took some satisfaction in finding out that Yoda was being quite literal when he told Luke that “That library contained nothing that the girl Rey does not already possess,” before burning it to the ground.

    • December 28, 2017 at 7:02 pm
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      In my opinion your base hypothesis that luke is a quitter, is fundamentally wrong.

      Luke is no more a “quitter” than obi-wan was. Both were Jedi past their prime. Both were victims of their own ego, their own Jedi zealotry. They both created monsters. They both chose their exits wisely. Both became one with the force for the greater good.

    • December 28, 2017 at 7:02 pm
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      In my opinion your base hypothesis that luke is a quitter, is fundamentally wrong.

      Luke is no more a “quitter” than obi-wan was. Both were Jedi past their prime. Both were victims of their own ego, their own Jedi zealotry. They both created monsters. They both chose their exits wisely. Both became one with the force for the greater good.

      • December 28, 2017 at 10:43 pm
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        Me using the term quitter to describe Luke was more or less a lazy description because I didn’t want to go into it and write an even longer post. I just haven’t really been able to buy into the idea that Luke Skywalker abandoned his friends, family, and the galaxy he fought to save because he sensed darkness within Kylo Ren/Ben Solo. I understand that he felt like he failed Ben, but I just felt it was very uncharacteristic of a Jedi to leave because he failed, and essentially doom the galaxy to the mess he helped create.

        After Obi-Wan realized Anakin turned to the dark side, he didn’t run off to Tatooine and hide in his hut out of shame. He went to Mustafar and defeated Vader, then decided to take Luke to Tatooine and watch over him because he knew the Skywalker twins were some hope in someday defeating Palpatine. Kenobi’s exile was vastly different from Luke’s, in my opinion.

        Regardless, I know that my opinion is just that- an opinion. Some people share it, some people disagree with it, and that’s fine. I’ve never claimed this movie “killed” Star Wars for me. I still love it as a whole, I just wasn’t a huge fan of this movie.

        • December 29, 2017 at 1:06 am
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          You could also argue with the two different states of the Galaxy – I mean, the earlier one was under a 20 year Imperial tyranny, the later one was under the benign New Republic with the First order *moving in the shadows*. OB1 and Yoda had a longterm plan and purpose, while Luke appears to have decided that the historical actions and arrogant pride – including his own – meant that to him the Jedi Order should come to an end with his death.
          …. Also, what I think would really help us, would be for some backstory to reveal the dynamic between Han and Leia and Luke and Ben with Snoke – not only the latter’s apparent injuries, but also how it was that H&L knew of Snoke on such ‘intimate’ terms as implied in TFA.

      • December 28, 2017 at 11:26 pm
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        Yeah, i don’t really get this criticism either. Are Obi-Wan and Yoda bad people for turning their backs on the galaxy for 30 YEARS? Luke was only in hiding for like 6 years and everyone wants to say that his character has been ruined somehow.

  • December 27, 2017 at 9:44 pm
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    after 11 days, some interesting comparisons for the US theatrical take
    TFA $571m, Jurassic World $414m, Avengers $380m, TLJ $395m so this may well end up somewhere between JW and the Avengers, which would be 30% or so less than TFA. This is entirely consistent with the drop offs seen by ESB and AOTC in the previous trilogies, and I reckon globally somewhere between $1 and $1.5 billion so, in other words a v big success

    • December 27, 2017 at 11:50 pm
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      It’s not a box office bomb, but is not performing up to expectations set by ‘those in the know’.

      • December 28, 2017 at 12:09 am
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        I’d be interested to know who those who are ‘in the know’ actually are. Its just when you look at the history of the Star Wars movies AOTC and ESB grossed 60-65% of the immediate original, R1 grossed 50% of TFA so how is grossing 60-65% of the previous movies taking (incidentally the 60-65% as been something of a hollywood benchmark for sequels in the past) anything other than being entirely predictable business?

      • December 28, 2017 at 5:38 pm
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        SW is to big to bomb at the box office. Critics are not a reliable source….the movie will forever split fandom.

  • December 27, 2017 at 11:17 pm
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    I’ve figured The Last Jedi out. It feels like the pilot for a Saturday morning cartoon that establishes a status quo in which the First Order and Resistance fight perpetually, like GI Joe and Cobra or the Autobots and Decepticons, with no clear victor.

    • December 28, 2017 at 4:20 am
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      There were many episodes of the GI Joe and Transformers Cartoon series that were written better than TLJ.

    • December 28, 2017 at 4:20 am
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      There were many episodes of the GI Joe and Transformers Cartoon series that were written better than TLJ.

      • December 28, 2017 at 4:31 am
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        You’re funny, as usual.

        • December 28, 2017 at 7:59 am
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          And I was so spot on right about Rian Johnson for the last year —- that I have even shocked myself on that one 🙂 And the divided fanbase echoes my words louder than I could ever amplify them.

        • December 28, 2017 at 7:59 am
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          And I was so spot on right about Rian Johnson for the last year —- that I have even shocked myself on that one 🙂 And the divided fanbase echoes my words louder than I could ever amplify them.

          • December 28, 2017 at 12:53 pm
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            Why you keep complaining all the time how bad was the movie for you? It is fine, you don’t like it, I respect that, completely understandable. But is is necesary to remind it every 10 minutes even when comments are not about that? You won’t get to change my opinion that it was a good Star Wars movie, and I’m not interested in making you think the same. Let’s go for better topics as good Star wars fans 😉

          • December 28, 2017 at 2:45 pm
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            Spot on?
            About a massive box office? Massive critical acclaim?
            A “divided” fan base that’s more or less on par with every Star Wars film in the last 20 years?

            Wow. Brilliant.

            Eyeroll.

          • December 28, 2017 at 2:45 pm
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            Spot on?
            About a massive box office? Massive critical acclaim?
            A “divided” fan base that’s more or less on par with every Star Wars film in the last 20 years?

            Wow. Brilliant.

            Eyeroll.

    • December 28, 2017 at 6:57 pm
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      You have clearly figured out nothing.

      • December 28, 2017 at 8:32 pm
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        Hilarious.

    • December 29, 2017 at 6:18 am
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      I’m cool with that, as long as in a future SW movie we see Destro and Sargent Slaughter have a face-to-face throw down WWE style. Only to have Hulk Hogan come in and save the day. Then all my 80’s childhood fantasies will FINALLY come true!

      Bayformers pretty much ruined Transformers for me. But if Lucasfilm threw in some Ninja Turtles…..

      (I assume) you are not a screenwriter. You are not part of Lucasfilm. You have nothing to do with the development of Episode 9. So please spare us how you’ve “figured” everything out for Star Wars going forward. A lot of people didn’t see what was coming in TLJ – there’s no way to know what’s coming in the next movie unless you’re JJ Abrams, Chris Terrio, Kathleen Kennedy, or Bob Iger. Unless……….Bob? Is that you? No, I didn’t think so.

  • December 27, 2017 at 11:54 pm
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    OT aesthetic is beginning to wear pretty thin. Ep. 9 better have some really new and unique things for the saga because ‘Star Wars Fatigue’ is setting in for a lot of people..

  • December 28, 2017 at 12:35 am
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    I was planning to see this twice, but I didn’t enjoy it too much. I’m not outraged at Luke or anything, just found it a little slow in the middle and lacking in explaining the how and what. I can wait to see this again until before I watch Ep 9. I have never seen a Star Wars film only once, I’m not the only one of my friends who feel the same. I bet that is part of the reason on a wider scale.

    • December 28, 2017 at 6:55 pm
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      See it again. I was mixed on first viewing. Much less mixed on second.

  • December 28, 2017 at 4:15 am
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    I really wish Star Wars would get back to being Star Wars instead of social justice warriors in space.

    • December 28, 2017 at 4:31 am
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      In what way is it social justice warriors in space?

      • December 29, 2017 at 5:42 am
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        “Social Justice Warrior” = “doesn’t complain like a stuck pig if not all the heroes are white people (men).”

        ….And I’m a white person (man). It’s an overused a phrase as “Millennials” and “Snowflakes.”

        Uh oh. I think I must be a SJW Snowflake Millennial….

        (even though I was born in 1978)

        Although….I will admit that I had problems with Rey in TFA. I did make arguments of why I didn’t like how she seemed so incredibly good at everything without explanation or justification. Terms like “Mary Sue” got thrown around a lot – although I don’t much care for that term and never used it myself. They handled her much better in the “The Last Jedi” I think. Before TLJ, I was accused of being a sexist nonetheless. But who cares?

    • December 28, 2017 at 6:54 pm
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      Explain your reasoning. back this up with intelligent, reasoned commentary.

      Or do you just like to express hyperbolic nonsense?

    • December 28, 2017 at 8:23 pm
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      Perhaps Luke should’ve had a mullet and a lumberjack shirt. He could’ve given Rey a good beat-down just to put her in her place.

      • December 29, 2017 at 5:29 am
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        “Alabama Luke!” (Comes complete with bowling ball and “Correllian Light” beer can – get yours today kids, while supplies last!)

    • December 29, 2017 at 11:17 pm
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      That would bring Star wars back to the old era. Come on now. Are you living in the old era without the internet or are you to advance forward…. It is so strange that ppl keep wanting to live in the past. Then why are you still here dude?

  • December 28, 2017 at 6:39 am
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    Disney is and has been strong-arming theaters running their Marvel and Star Wars brand movies. Each theater must run Disney’s “blockbuster” in their largest auditoriums for a set period of time no matter what.

  • December 28, 2017 at 6:39 am
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    Disney is and has been strong-arming theaters running their Marvel and Star Wars brand movies. Each theater must run Disney’s “blockbuster” in their largest auditoriums for a set period of time no matter what.

    • December 30, 2017 at 2:19 am
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      One month

  • December 28, 2017 at 6:39 pm
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    From Forbes:
    “Well, that was close. After a few days where The Last Jedi was trailing the day-to-day cumes of The Force Awakens (duh), Jurassic World (from day eight to day 12) and even The Avengers (on day ten), Star Wars: The Last Jedi is back in second place among the fastest-grossing movies of all time. The Walt Disney sci-fi actioner earned around $22 million on Wednesday, a drop of 21% from Tuesday, which brought its 13-day domestic total to just over $445m. Not only is that the fifth-biggest non-opening Wednesday of all time and the second-biggest “day 13″ Wednesday behind The Force Awakens ($28m), but its $445m 13-day total is the second-best such cume behind only The Force Awakens ($629m). Say it with me now, #YesThisFranchiseIsSaved.”

    Sorry, Kent.

    • December 28, 2017 at 8:25 pm
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      SLAY. lol

    • December 28, 2017 at 9:56 pm
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      Shocking…. a Star Wars film makes money! Who could have guessed!

      • December 28, 2017 at 11:02 pm
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        With all the people crying doom and gloom after the supposed 70% drop (which failed to account for 2017’s holiday calendar), I feel that this little reminder was a needed one.

    • December 28, 2017 at 11:28 pm
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      Just as I knew it would. It’ll be way over $500 million by Monday.

      • December 28, 2017 at 11:37 pm
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        And some people tried to say that the film would struggle to get to $550, lol. Some haters are just delusional I suppose. it’s fine not to like a movie, but no amount of fanboy backlash is going to sink TLJ.

        • December 28, 2017 at 11:48 pm
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          Agreed. I think politics has something to do with it. I am very conservative, but I really enjoy the ST. The forced diversity doesn’t bother me. It’s like “water off my back”. Plus, they bitch about Luke. Okay, but it’s not their vision. It really isn’t ‘their SW’. It was Lucas’s vision who brought us SW and now it’s up to Disney/Lucasfilm to imbue their vision. Yes, if I were writing for Luke, I would have wrote something different. However, I’m not writing it. In the end, he returned to the heroic Luke that we knew from the OT. Yoda snapped him out of his funk. It’ll be interesting to see how they do IX without Leia (Carrie).

        • December 28, 2017 at 11:48 pm
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          Agreed. I think politics has something to do with it. I am very conservative, but I really enjoy the ST. The forced diversity doesn’t bother me. It’s like “water off my back”. Plus, they bitch about Luke. Okay, but it’s not their vision. It really isn’t ‘their SW’. It was Lucas’s vision who brought us SW and now it’s up to Disney/Lucasfilm to imbue their vision. Yes, if I were writing for Luke, I would have wrote something different. However, I’m not writing it. In the end, he returned to the heroic Luke that we knew from the OT. Yoda snapped him out of his funk. It’ll be interesting to see how they do IX without Leia (Carrie).

  • December 29, 2017 at 2:27 am
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    I went and saw TLJ for a second time. I will admit, it is better on second viewing.
    Perhaps it’s because after seeing it once, that already lowers your expectations?

    I felt a lot better about this movie second time around. But it still isn’t one of Star Wars best installments.
    The middle part of the movie draaaaaaaaaags something shocking!
    I actually didn’t mind the Canto scenes, but that whole part of the movie takes so long.
    I’m still not sold on Yoda, I desperately wanted force ghosts to return in these new movies but I dunno about Yoda in TLJ, he just seemed too cray cray and care free.
    Also space Leia didn’t bother me second time around even though I hated it first time around!! It was actually a very emotional scene. Opening scenes are epic! Snokes death scene epic! Luke’s force time scenes epic!

    Was really disappointed with this film after first viewing, I can happily say I am LESS disappointed after the second viewing.

    Do it if you haven’t already.

  • December 29, 2017 at 5:27 am
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    From BoxOfficeMojo:

    “Right now we’re looking at a drop around 18-21% and a three-day weekend around $57 million as Last Jedi will end the weekend as the highest grossing domestic release of 2017”

    BAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    Literally the biggest film of the year in three weeks.

  • December 30, 2017 at 1:08 am
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    A drop of only 18-21% or less we’ll see in it’s third weekend – haters are going to hate that !

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