Editorial – Rey: Heiress of the Jedi

Rey's AwakeningEver since Daisy Ridley was first announced to star in Star Wars: Episode VII, rumors surrounding the familial lineage of her character in the Star Wars universe have been popping out of every corner of the internet, especially since The Force Awakens failed to satisfy curious fans with any answers on the subject. While fan theories concerning Rey’s parents have ranged from the plausible to the down right ridiculous, I have found that often times, the simplest explanation is the best. In light of that, I want to submit to our readers yet another theory surrounding Rey’s parents. Read on for more.

 

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For a while, especially after having watched The Force Awakens, I held to the theory that Rey is the estranged daughter of the famed Jedi Knight Luke Skywalker. Considering the amount of prowess she exhibits in the film, and her natural piloting and mechanical skills, the notion of her being a descendant of Anakin Skywalker does seem to make a lot of sense. However, as of late, I’m beginning to doubt my initial leaning towards Luke as her father.

 

For one, Luke was most likely a very busy man following the death of the Emperor as he set out to restore the Jedi to their place as guardians of peace in the galaxy. In Claudia Gray’s novel Bloodline we discovered that just six years before The Force Awakens, Ben Solo (a.k.a. Kylo Ren) is at Luke’s side as the pair continue to search for ancient Jedi lore together.

 

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At this point in the timeline, Rey is a thirteen year-old girl living by her lonesome on Jakku. So, what could have happened to Luke eight years prior to his running around the galaxy with Ben Solo that he would’ve had to abandon his own five year-old daughter in a desert wasteland with the questionable caretaker Unkar Plutt?

 

Disregarding the ridiculous theory that Rey is Anakin reincarnated or that she is Poe Dameron’s sister (which is impossible considering that his mother died approximately five years before Rey was born), or the more contrived theory about her somehow being the descendant of the hermit Jedi Obi-Wan Kenobi, I am beginning to settle on a more simple theory.

 

Although I loved Rey’s portrayal in the film, one of the big eye-roll inducing aspects of The Force Awakens for many viewers was how powerful that Rey seemed to be concerning the Force. For instance, here was this girl who had no training whatsoever, and she takes down the offspring of Darth Vader, who was former student of Luke Skywalker and the “Master of the Knights of Ren”, in a lightsaber battle. And let’s not forget her ability to read his mind and her quick mastery of the difficult skill of Force persuasion on the hapless stormtrooper.

 

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I’ll concede that the situation with Rey does seem unlikely at first. Many fans have even reasoned that the only sensible explanation for such raw power could be that Skywalker blood flows in her veins. I’ll also agree that this would be a pretty valid explanation, but something about it just doesn’t feel right to me anymore. In fact, the more I think about it, the less I see a need for Skywalker blood to have any connection with Rey’s lineage whatsoever.

 

Follow this for a moment… Of all the Jedi in the history of the Star Wars universe, even the most powerful among them, how many of them were born to Jedi parents? The quick answer – none.  Although Force sensitivity could obviously come into play with both parents of a would-be-Jedi, it was forbidden that Jedi should marry or have any form of personal attachment to others. Although these “Jedi babies” existed in the EU, neither the films nor the television series ever really show the result of two Jedi having a child together.

 

Anakin and Padme

 

Even Anakin, arguably the most powerful Jedi in history, who was conceived miraculously by the will of the Force, was born to a mother that showed no signs of exceptional sensitivity to the Force. When he later fell in love and disobeyed the rules of the Jedi in taking a wife, the woman he married was no Jedi. While an argument could be made about Padme’s own connection to the Force, the fact remains that she wasn’t a Jedi. Therefore, even Luke and Leia do not fit the description of a “Jedi baby” on both sides of the family tree.

 

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The Skywalker line is further diluted in Ben Solo, as his own father – although formidable in his own right – was a normal man with no affinity for the Force. So where am I going with all this? Well, the question I want to pose is this – what if Rey is so powerful because her parents were both Jedi? We know that Luke set out to train more Jedi following the death of the Emperor, so would it be that much of a stretch to speculate that two of his students (maybe even his most gifted students) fell in love and started a family?

 

Even if both of her parents were just average Jedi, I would think this would still give her an edge over someone who was born to just one Force-sensitive parent. We also know now that Ben Solo’s fall to the dark side and his betrayal of the Jedi has nothing to do with Rey’s abandonment on Jakku as the events were separated by almost a decade. However, it is possible that Rey’s parents left her on the desert planet temporarily for some reason yet unknown and were met with tragedy before they could return.

 

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Luke and Ben could have known about Rey, but were oblivious to her location following the death of her parents or perhaps assumed she perished alongside them. Regardless of the specifics, I think it is very likely that there is some prior connection between Luke, Rey, and Kylo Ren – but I don’t think it’s necessarily a familial one. I also think that it stands to reason that someone with such natural Force talent as Rey has Jedi blood – but it doesn’t necessarily have to be Skywalker blood. So for now, that is my opinion on Rey’s lineage, which I’m sure will change slightly or be negated altogether as more on her backstory is brought to light.

 

What do you think?  Do you like this theory?  Do you have other ideas about Rey’s parents?  Share your thoughts in the comments below, or join us in The Cantina forums.

 

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Jordan Pate is Co-Lead Editor and Senior Writer for Star Wars News Net, of which he is also a member of the book and comic review team. He loves all things Star Wars, but when he's not spending time in the galaxy far far away, he might be found in our own galaxy hanging out in Gotham City or at 1407 Graymalkin Lane, Salem Center, NY.

Jordan Pate (Hard Case)

Jordan Pate is Co-Lead Editor and Senior Writer for Star Wars News Net, of which he is also a member of the book and comic review team. He loves all things Star Wars, but when he's not spending time in the galaxy far far away, he might be found in our own galaxy hanging out in Gotham City or at 1407 Graymalkin Lane, Salem Center, NY.

401 thoughts on “Editorial – Rey: Heiress of the Jedi

  • June 2, 2016 at 8:16 pm
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    “Of all the Jedi in the history of the Star Wars universe, even the most powerful among them, how many of them were born to Jedi parents? The quick answer – none.”

    This.

    • June 2, 2016 at 10:10 pm
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      “Of all the Jedi in the history of the Star Wars universe, even the most powerful among them, how many of them were born to Jedi parents? The quick answer – none.”

      Quicker answer Luke. Anakin was his father right? Luke is so powerful the Resistance and First Order were looking for him. To top it off Ben Solo/Kylo Ren is son of Leia, not sure how powerful he will become, but he shows promise.

  • June 2, 2016 at 8:21 pm
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    well…I thought you were going to tell us who you thought she is related to.

    And as a side note, it was stated by Lucas that Luke was the most powerful Jedi to have ever existed and that will ever exist. Whether Disney wiped that out…I don’t know.

    Personally I think it’ll take away if she is not related to Luke. And it would be amazing if we find out that Mara Jade dropped her off without Luke’s knowledge that he even had a child. Maybe Mara was hiding Rey and found out about Snoke and died confronting him??? That sounds more interesting than her just being some random person in the universe.imo.

    • June 2, 2016 at 8:33 pm
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      “well…I thought you were going to tell us who you thought she is related to”

      I did actually give my thoughts on who her parents were. I just don’t have names to assign to them since I believe they are new characters we haven’t been introduced to yet. I like your Mara Jade idea though. It won’t hurt my feelings if she does turn out to be Luke’s. They just have a little explaining to do.

      • June 2, 2016 at 8:36 pm
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        they could really do a great back story for Rey and mend some fences with Jade in it as her mother, even if only by name.

    • June 2, 2016 at 9:58 pm
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      i love this theory of the mother being a Jedi and the ex-hand of the Emperor. i ve seen in TFA some light “links” to EU stuff, and i m seeing in R1 aswell. Jyn Erso/Jan Ors, her acolyte who looks like a sud-american Kyle Katarn. i would forgive them for the EU erasing if they go that way.

    • June 2, 2016 at 11:02 pm
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      At this very moment, Mara Jade is not a character of Star Wars canon, it’s legend.

      • June 2, 2016 at 11:21 pm
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        Yeah…just saying it would be great if they made her canon and used this.

        • June 2, 2016 at 11:38 pm
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          Not so much. It would make Luke break the jedi code and you don’t found an academy when you are in charge of the whole jedi legacy if you don’t follow the rules. You don’t break the code for your own good. It’s not the jedi way.

          • June 3, 2016 at 1:50 am
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            He’d already broken from code anyways based on the flaws the order had made.

          • June 3, 2016 at 1:54 am
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            Which rule ?

          • June 3, 2016 at 2:11 am
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            You know, I think I’m still thinking about EU and not new canon….

      • June 2, 2016 at 11:55 pm
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        i am not so sure… i ve seen her name on a SW card game after Eu becoming Legends and long before TFA release. it was an article on this site. i couldn’t find the source though.

  • June 2, 2016 at 8:21 pm
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    Oh boy you’ve opened up this can of worms. Cue the cries of “Mary Sue” and “Kathleen Kennedy’s feminist conspiracy”.

    Her character was underdeveloped compared to some of the others but swung it with an engaging performance. I hope they do more to challenge her in VIII.

    Symbolically of course, Rey knows so much because she represents the new generation of fans — second generation Star Wars fans. She grows up amongst the wreckage of the OT, scavenging among the discarded toys of the previous generation, knows all the legends of Luke, Han and the Falcon and is at home with the way droids and Wookiees communicate.

    • June 3, 2016 at 7:07 am
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      Luke only studied for a few years before tearing Vader a new one. And now with all the comics and Rebels making Vader look ridiculously strong, it makes Luke’s increase of power look pretty extraordinary in so short a time. His dad had like 30-40 years of training on Luke.

  • June 2, 2016 at 8:29 pm
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    If we’re looking for a reason why Rey is so powerful, perhaps she is another “vergence” in the force like Anakin? In ROTS, Palpatine seemed to indicate that Anakin was created by the will of the dark side either through Darth Plagueis or himself. Perhaps Supreme Leader Snoke created Rey? Maybe that is why she was hidden away on Jakku?

  • June 2, 2016 at 8:31 pm
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    The movie suggests heavily in the opening scene that Rey’s origins are from the dark side. Kylo is in a dark scene, his origins are in the resistance, his path is light / dark. Rey is in a very light scene. She lives in the Empire’s wrecks, her path is dark / light. The symetry is too strong to be a coincidence.

    • June 2, 2016 at 8:47 pm
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      I like this theory, but “suggests heavily” is a reach.

      • June 2, 2016 at 8:48 pm
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        English is not my maternal language.

    • June 2, 2016 at 10:00 pm
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      Snoke saying the dark and the light awakened, there is nobody else but Kylo and Rey. Finn is still up in the air. The book did make her seem not so innocent as the movie did though, she bartered with Unkar Plutt over BB-8 and even turned off BB-8 to do so. Perhaps there is a push to keep her innocent. Could mean anything though. The fact that this is a discussion at all is a win for Disney

    • June 3, 2016 at 7:03 am
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      It is interesting that she lives in an AT-AT but also has a rebel pilot helmet and doll. Duality there. Maybe her parentage is someone from light and dark sides.

      Also, Snoke says there has been an awakening (singular). The dark, and the light. Is Rey both of these things? Where are the two sides coming from?

      • June 3, 2016 at 1:51 pm
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        In fact, in the movie there’s no mention on the dark, just an awakening. The dark side is in the first trailer and it’s Kylo

      • June 4, 2016 at 7:23 am
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        the trailer is misleading in that way. That dialogue is not actually in the film.

  • June 2, 2016 at 8:39 pm
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    Always believed Rey is not Luke’s daughter. The biggest reason being if Disney were to go do the route of Rey being a Skywalker, it’s basically a statement that only a Skywalker can be a Jedi in the ST. However with Rey not being one, opens up the possibility to lots more Jedi’s scattered throughout the galaxy awaiting to be discovered. It is also a chance to move away from the Skywalker bloodline.

    I believe Rey was left on Jakku because her parents were worried that someone with such strong force powers would end up taken away by the First Order, and they couldn’t protect her.

    • June 2, 2016 at 8:41 pm
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      But of all the places to hide her they pick a junkyard and Unkar Plutt? That’s the bit I never got with those theories. She’s going to grow up in crushing poverty and have to fight for every meal.

      • June 2, 2016 at 8:49 pm
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        I think they originally intended on leaving her there for a short amount of time, but they were captured or killed by the First Order and never returned. I also think her parents knew Luke, and perhaps Rey did too

        • June 2, 2016 at 8:58 pm
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          “-hey we need a daycare for our lovely daughter for today as we gotta attened this Jedi meeting Luke’s throwing somewhere out in the deep space. – right hun.. should we maybe try Naboo, or Hosnian Prime? – ive got a better idea, remember that uncle of mine who isnt really my uncle but a smelly ugly alien living on that junkyard backwater planet full of scavengers and bounty hunters that used to be a Hutts hideout and an imperial base? im sure shes gonna love it, and i would feel so much better if someone we can trust looks after her whole afternoon. – youre right hun, lets do it.”

          CUT to ship leaving Jakku’s surface to be annihilated in the upper athmosphere by the Star Destroyer of First Order

      • June 2, 2016 at 8:52 pm
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        I think youre right, Id bet she wasnt left on Jakku by her parents, but some sort of guardians or whoever at best.. I mean I dont see it plausible that she was abandonned on a planet like Jakku in the hands (literally) of someone like Unkar Plutt by anyone who cares about her. She was clearly dumped there by someone who didnt give two shits.

      • June 2, 2016 at 9:24 pm
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        Jakku, the perfect place to hide Rey, the First Order obviously have no interest in that planet. Perhaps Plutt promised to look after Rey, backtracked and exploited her.

        Let’s say Luke is her father, why would he leave her on Jakku with Plutt? Your same arguments could be applied to that theory.

        • June 2, 2016 at 9:42 pm
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          Yeah, that was kinda my point — it applies equally if we think Luke left her there. I don’t think that adds up either.

          I confess I don’t have a damn clue who she is I just really can’t see “hiding her on Jakku” making much sense.

          • June 3, 2016 at 7:00 am
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            And is the forceback about stuff she already knows or doesn’t know? Is the crying girl a memory that she already has, or is she being shown something she doesn’t remember? The point of view is weird, too. She is outside looking at her younger self. What about the other flashes? And why are all these things connected to a lightsaber that Maz has had locked up “for ages.” The lightsaber wasn’t at these places, was it?

        • June 2, 2016 at 11:01 pm
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          Hide Rey from what ? Luke is the most powerful being of the galaxy.

          • June 2, 2016 at 11:54 pm
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            Tell that to Luke’s dead Jedi students.

          • June 3, 2016 at 12:16 am
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            Rey was on Jakku 10 years before that.

          • June 3, 2016 at 12:21 am
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            “Luke is the most powerful being of the galaxy.” Yet he couldn’t protect his own students from being slaughtered.

          • June 3, 2016 at 12:35 am
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            And he had to let her there 8 years before ? He has a sister who is a rebellion general, she would have been safer in a headquarter than to steal to eat.

    • June 2, 2016 at 9:30 pm
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      I am not a parent actually, but never it will cross my mind to leave my child on a junkyard planet. Even i know she s the more skilled in the Force. She can choose to not use her power instead being left alone. btw she seems to discover her pwer by the time of TFA.

      So i think her parents have to be dead when she’s left on Jakku.

      • June 2, 2016 at 10:31 pm
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        Ruling out Luke being her father.

        • June 2, 2016 at 10:43 pm
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          Yes, but i was riding on your theory. sorry for thet.

          Indeed, i think Rey is the Lost daughter of Luke. I would love it to be true but i can understand people wanting changes.

          • June 2, 2016 at 11:57 pm
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            I can see why you want her to be Luke’s daughter, if Lucas was still involved, she would undoubtedly be, but as he’s moved on, I feel this is an opportunity to move away from the Skywalkers.

  • June 2, 2016 at 8:41 pm
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    I’m buying into all of your anti-Skywalker arguments.

    However I wouldnt scrap the conceived by the Force one just yet because:

    a) it happened before in SW, and Anakin turned out to be the most powerful Jedi in history – the potential Rey did exhibit in TFA

    b) her remembering clearly the ship her “parents” took off on, but convieniently not the people themselves

    c) Maz implied that the parents deal is something she really shouldnt be worried about that rose my suspition (I mean its her parents allright? How cannot Maz not understand her urge to go back to Jakk… Unless. Unless Maz knows the truth. That there are real no parents)

    d) If this proves a thing, we would stay with what Kennedy confirmed as “family saga” cuz she would/wouldnt be Skywalker in a weird way

    The last possibility I see, alternative to that and the one from article above, would be the one hiding in the plain sight. She is Solo. From Bloodline we know Han wasn’t very much around post-Endor, and, not trying to undermine his love for Leia but, somethig might have happened along the way. Han in many ways, with all his faults, is the most human SW character so I say why not. He might not even know that Rey is his daughter, only sense it, in these rare instances when she “feels” the Falcon as well as he does and how Chewie instantly likes her (which wasnt the case even with Luke in ANH). Who’s the mother then? I believe we would learn that in some new canon material. This concept is particularly interesting as it would introduce a whole new dynamic to her and Kylo. Half sibilings, one of who, not even being a Skywalker, seems to be more powerful with the Force than the “rightful” one.

  • June 2, 2016 at 8:46 pm
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    I believe Rey is a lost daughter of Luke simply for Disney story convenience.

    However, I like this theory. Also, if this was the case I believe we would find Luke killed Rey’s parents or is responsible in some way.

  • June 2, 2016 at 8:47 pm
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    As far as I’m concerned with the nearly infinite number of humans in the Star Wars galaxy the odds that Rey is related to anyone we know of are slim. Just because some coincidental things line up doesn’t mean that she is related to Luke or Obi Wan or anyone. In fact, I think that such a plot point would be lazy and stupid. This is typical prequel stuff. C3PO can’t just be a droid, no, Anakin had to make him, etc. things that could have, and should have, remained unconnected just had to have ties. Rey’s parents ought to be people we no nothing about presently. Her history, sure– that should be connected as it flows with the plot, but her lineage shouldn’t be over-connected to established characters

  • June 2, 2016 at 8:48 pm
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    I like your reasoning from a thematic view, but let’s think about it from a story point of view. Does it make Star Wars a better story if Rey’s parent’s are just random characters we have never met? If that’s the case, then why make it a mystery at all? Making it a mystery serves no real purpose at that point.

    Even the second teaser trailer alludes that Rey has a familial connection yet to be explored. They specifically use the “The Force runs strong in my family” from ROTJ to frame the trailer. I really don’t think they are talking about Kylo Ren, nor do I think that it was included for dramatic effect.
    In Episode VII, Maz says “that lightsaber is calling to you.” She touches it and her flashbacks and luke’s flashbacks are intertwined. I don’t think that is a mystery.

    One way I think this might fall together is that Luke is not aware that he fathered a child. He fell in love with someone (a student Jedi perhaps?), and for whatever reasons she leaves, or Luke thinks she has died, or she does die and the child is left with a foster family who, being chased by someone, leaves her with Unkar Plutt.

    One odd point of this whole story is that Unkar Plutt apparently knows whose Rey’s parents are! Has she ever asked him??

    Rey’s parents HAVE to be consequential, because they are set up as a mystery. If they are not consequential, there is no reason to have them be a mystery.

    • June 2, 2016 at 8:49 pm
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      Yeah, this is why I believe she’ll end up related to Anakin in some way.

      I don’t think Disney/LucasFilm are ambitious enough to make her a random.

    • June 2, 2016 at 8:49 pm
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      Nobody knows if Luke is talking to Rey in the second trailer but in the last one, she said she’s noone.

      It can be a mystery because we didn’t met them yet.

      • June 2, 2016 at 8:53 pm
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        Well, she doesn’t know her origin so that’s not really important. The teaser trailer is all about the Skywalkers.

        • June 2, 2016 at 8:58 pm
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          We don’t see Rey in this one. Maybe he was talking to Kylo or to all of us

          • June 2, 2016 at 9:01 pm
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            The implication of the teaser is clearly not Kylo.

          • June 2, 2016 at 9:07 pm
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            Is it clearly Rey ?

      • June 2, 2016 at 9:01 pm
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        or maybe she’s Arya Stark?

        • June 2, 2016 at 9:03 pm
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          OMG…what if Luke is the many-faced god?

          • June 2, 2016 at 9:05 pm
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            that would also imply that she’s in for some Kanan Jedi experience in epsiode VIII

          • June 2, 2016 at 9:06 pm
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            A girl has no parents.

      • June 2, 2016 at 9:03 pm
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        maybe because she ve seen her mother dying and never knew her father. lot of possibilities.

    • June 2, 2016 at 9:01 pm
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      this^

    • June 2, 2016 at 9:02 pm
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      I am agree with you, a lot of things in TFA links Rey and Luke ; the lightsaber, the strong connection with the Force, the ability to pilot and repair things. But i would go on a simpler way than you : Luke shared his bed with one woman for a nigh t- we will call her Mara (wink wink) – he met on his typical Jedi’s journey – and he’s not bound anymore by the old Jedi Code – then he leaves Mara keeping what he was doing, Mara gives birth to a girl she calls Rey (pretty sure the real name will be revealed later), Mara is killed by a random thug on a random planet, a good soul helps the 4-year old girl as much as he can but he chose to let her on Jakku to Unkar plutt good caring. Bam you re set ! Luke and Kylo never met Rey and she neither. that would explain why she thinks Luke is a myth. Just my 2cts.

    • June 2, 2016 at 10:11 pm
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      JJ’s Mystery Box, no sense at all needed (did you watch Lost or Super 8?)

      • June 3, 2016 at 1:20 am
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        ST:ID….

    • June 2, 2016 at 10:57 pm
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      I know JJ as little as possible connection to the prequels but wouldn’t it have made sense during flash back to have some sort of tie in to Anakin as well since he made the light saber in the first place and he was it’s original owner? Ofcourse that could always be done in VIII as a lesson that Luke is trying to teach Rey.

    • June 2, 2016 at 10:58 pm
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      “because they are set up as a mystery. If they are not consequential, there is no reason to have them be a mystery.”
      .
      Pedro, meet JJ Abrams, JJ, this is Pedro. Well, now that you two are acquainted…

  • June 2, 2016 at 8:57 pm
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    How old was Rey when Ben/Kylo destroyed the Academy? For some time now I’ve assumed her parents were pupils there who hid her when they became aware of the revolt being planned, but I could be totally wrong based on Rey being 13 when she was abandoned.

    • June 2, 2016 at 8:59 pm
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      She looks like she was 5 when we saw her with Plutt in her vision.

    • June 2, 2016 at 9:00 pm
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      She was somewhere between 13-16 years old at the time.

    • June 2, 2016 at 9:06 pm
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      Let me clarify this. It has been confirmed that Rey was 5 when she was left on Jakku. And she was 19 in TFA. In Bloodline – six yrs before TFA – Ben Solo has not yet betrayed Luke and the Jedi. Rey would have been around 13 at this time and in her 8th year of her Jakku stint. So the events of her abandonment and Kylo’s betrayal are not connected.

      • June 3, 2016 at 6:33 am
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        We’re assuming that she was being left at that time for good, and that she spends all thise years in solitude. Couldn’t it be a tough separation, but not the ultimate one? For the record, I made the same assumption when I saw the film, even for the fifth time. Could be a clever trick to throw us off.

        A lot of people think a mind wipe is possible. That could really happen at any time.

    • June 3, 2016 at 6:28 am
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      I still think Ben might not be the person we see in the massacre. Masks are very convenient ways to hide the true identity of someone for a later reveal. Kylo Ren is a title for the Master of the Knights of Ren. Ben may have taken the mantle from someone else.

  • June 2, 2016 at 8:58 pm
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    She’s certainly looks like a heiress beacsue she didn’t work for the immense she has, it was given to her for free. There is no such thing as Jedi master without a training in Star Wars. Disney changed the canon rules for the poster child of the feminist 3rd wave. If you’re looking for the origin of her absurd powers, look for Kathleen Kennedy.

    • June 2, 2016 at 9:43 pm
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      I wonder how many gallons of botox she pumps into her face when she’s not holding rallies for Dear Leader and The Hildabeast.

    • June 2, 2016 at 10:36 pm
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      When I read something like this, I immediately think, “someone has a small dick.”

      • June 2, 2016 at 10:57 pm
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        Well, it’s odd that your immediate thoughts are of his penis, I’ll give you that. It may say more about you than you intended though.

    • June 2, 2016 at 11:05 pm
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      Who says she’s a Jedi Master?

      • June 2, 2016 at 11:42 pm
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        She pulled the Jedi mind trick on a stormtrooper without even hearing about it, let alone master it after only 2 trials on the same guy! Even Qui Gon and Luke Skywalker failed at times to do it. This is only done by Jedi masters. Then, without a single day of Jedi training, without even have lit a saber once, she beats a guy who has been trained by Luke Skywalker and Snoke for years. If she is not a Jedi master what is she? This makes the search for Luke pointless, the resistance already has the strongest Jedi in history, even Yoda wouldn’t be able to compete with her.

  • June 2, 2016 at 9:07 pm
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    She is Skywalker. Also teory of Anakin reincarnation is not stupid. It is possible.

    • June 3, 2016 at 12:07 am
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      It’s stupid and possible at the same time, it’s not conflicting for Disney.

  • June 2, 2016 at 9:09 pm
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    The saga films are the story of the Skywalker line. They wouldn’t subvert that just to keep fans guessing. Rey is somehow or other a direct heir to that line.

    • June 2, 2016 at 9:31 pm
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      Kylo Ren is already a Skywalker.

      • June 3, 2016 at 6:24 am
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        True. He has the blood, but he doesn’t carry the family name. Leia still goes by Organa. Kylo Ren used to be Ben Solo. The name dies with Luke? Possible, I guess.

  • June 2, 2016 at 9:11 pm
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    She’s a Skywalker because Star Wars is about the Skywalker family. 7,8,9 are IMO a passation between good ol’ Luke and Leia to their descendance. 10,11,12 will be about that heritage.

  • June 2, 2016 at 9:21 pm
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    On the last photo, there is a lot of resemblance on the construction of the figure. While Luke is the has the more feminine (at same age), they share same high, light hair and eyes, the same forehead and the same expression in the mouth. She has to be a Skywalker, for God’s sake !

    • June 2, 2016 at 9:29 pm
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      She’s just the hero. Jedis have no families. That’s the code.

  • June 2, 2016 at 9:26 pm
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    I am leaning towards a much deeper theory… If you pay attention to when Snoke finds out about her from Kylo, he sounds vindictive, “If what you say about this girl is true, bring her to me.” Almost like he has an idea of who she may be… Leia also discussed Snoke as if they all knew who he was. Maybe Luke and Snoke both had a love interest in this one girl(Rey’s mom) at the academy and Luke had an affair with her and had a love child. When Snoke caught them, he started a fight with Luke and lost, getting disfigured in the process. I could see Snoke falling to the dark side because of this and taking Ben with him in the process to get revenge. Luke then hid the child from Snoke the only way he knew how… Jakku. There seems to be many pieces of the puzzle that was left out during TFA. Waaaaaay too many pieces…

    • June 2, 2016 at 10:52 pm
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      “Maybe Luke and Snoke both had a love interest in this one girl”
      .
      Ewwwwwwww!!!!!!!

    • June 3, 2016 at 2:22 am
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      Please don’t make this a love triangle.

  • June 2, 2016 at 9:27 pm
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    There are two things the lead me to think why Luke knows who she is but is NOT his daughter… and one reason why Im totally going to be wrong….

    When you watch the end of TFA Luke appears to be looking at the lightsaber with tears welling in his eyes and NOT so much Rey. Watch his eyes. Watch that he looks at her briefly but then his eyes moves down to the out stretched arm. He knows at this point that he is being drawn back in whether he wants to or not. He failed Ben and failed who knows how many other Jedis just like Kenobi felt he failed training Anakin… now with the lightsaber in his sight he knows that the fight has come to him and he has to make it right again… so at the end of this shot he then slightly knows what is needed to be done now. Whatever that is…

    Secondly, and the one more obvious, is that she was at an age when she was dropped off to know if Luke is her dad. Sorry but she wasnt a baby like Luke was when he was dumped–er I mean– left. So she should know when she sees him “oh crap your my dad” instead of a complete blank face that shows no recognition at all…. Now if they do the whole “mind wiping” or any other Jedi mind trick on this part of the story Im going to yell foul.

    Now who is the Dad or Mom? You can say a clone of whoever or divine conception, but I go with the theory that she may not be anybody except the one to bring true balance to the Force. The Skywalkers maybe arent it… maybe she is the balance between the light and dark of the Skywalkers I dont know…. still working on this theory…

    Now for what will probably be the case… Disney will make her Luke’s kid…. again I will call BS…. and they better explain some things pretty well for me to buy it.

    I prey that the creative brain trust of this series now is NOT going to take the easy way…

    • June 3, 2016 at 6:50 am
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      Well said! I don’t care which way they go as long as it isn’t cheap.

  • June 2, 2016 at 9:33 pm
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    Maybe Kylo ren is the real protagonist, like Vader was…and Rey came to redeem him,..So Rey has no family conections, cos she doesn’t need that for the plot

    • June 2, 2016 at 10:50 pm
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      Better not be. Redeeming Kylo after he murdered Han in cold blood aint a thing.

      • June 2, 2016 at 11:10 pm
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        I agree. Kylo Ren has to be taken down. Or better yet, Kylo Ren should give himself the axe….I could easily see Ren eventually realizing just how monstrous his actions have become, and then just sacrificing himself for the benefit of the galaxy and the heroes in the end.

        • June 2, 2016 at 11:16 pm
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          Kylo Ren should be decapited.

      • June 3, 2016 at 12:38 am
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        Vader tortured Leia in ep4, vader cut the hand of his own son, and so on and on and on,…

        • June 3, 2016 at 1:19 am
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          Nope. Not even remotely comparable to stabbing Han Solo to death while he was trying to redeem his son.

  • June 2, 2016 at 9:33 pm
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    Does anyone think it’s possible that she hasn’t been left all this long. What if the memory wipe made her think she was left at 5 years old? Is it possible or is the theory stupid? You decide.

    • June 2, 2016 at 9:50 pm
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      at one moment i ve considered the theory of Rey having her mind locked to make her forget bad things of her past. but that was before knowing Rey abandon was not linked to the dismiss of Luke’s academy. Now i simply think Rey is the Lost girl of Luke. Easy way but this kind of things happens in real life.

      • June 2, 2016 at 11:32 pm
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        The main problem fans have is that they think Ep VII is the following of ep VI and it’s not, it’s a new start. The old crew is there to pass the torch and the Skywalker legacy will end with Kylo Ren. If you are a writer, it’s a deadend. Fans will go see the movies whatever and kids will have their own story. There is not much links to the Lucas era, it’s now Disney’s story.

        • June 2, 2016 at 11:50 pm
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          yeah you have a point. i think i ve not swallowed the loss of the EU yet. but whatever they do i will be fine with it. (i hope) i ve enough faith in what they do to know the 8 and 9 will be as enjoyable as the Prequels are (for the least) i didn’t like how 7 followed the same strings of 4, and it shows a certain lack of creativity (or was just demagogia and fear of the mass audience ?). despite this the movie ve brought a lot of new characters, places and stories to happen, and i am cool with that. like you said, it’s a restart.

          Getting back to the point, i think having the duel Jaina/Jacen or Rey/Ren is the same. i mean there always was some shakespearian thinking in Star Wars. Shakespeare is about tragedy and most important tragedy in families. i maybe will be disappointed but all i see in 7 or R1 make me think they are not too far from old EU.

    • June 2, 2016 at 10:17 pm
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      I think that kind of blatant misdirection would be seen as cheating. Then again it’s not a million miles from “Darth Vader betrayed and murdered your father”.

  • June 2, 2016 at 9:41 pm
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    Kudos to you for a well laid out theory, but there is no doubt in my mind that Rey is connected to the Skywalker family. If she is not directly a Skywalker she will be paralleled to the family somehow. IMO, her connection will be through how she was conceived: The reveal will be she was a creation of the living Force, just like Anakin was. So she may not be a “Skywalker”, per se, but she’ll be ‘related’
    At first I thought (and hoped) that Disney and nuLucasfilm were going to distance themselves from the Prequels, but the inclusion of Ewan McGregor’s disembodied voice during Rey’s vision at Maz’s castle indicates there are some Prequel concepts the Sequels will refer back to. Hopefully “Midichlorians “will never be uttered onscreen again but the concept of the Force being more than just something that wielders can manipulate to do amazing feats is an intriguing one that should definitely get expanded upon.

  • June 2, 2016 at 9:46 pm
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    A pretty obvious and simple option is that Rey grew up without a father present, and that father is Luke Skywalker.

      • June 2, 2016 at 10:47 pm
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        Luke broke the jedi code then abandonned his child on a desert planet. Maybe he went to Ach-To to stop death sticks.

      • June 2, 2016 at 11:04 pm
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        Her mother? Was taken? Believed to be dead? A bunch of different possibilities. Luke could either know that he had a child and wasn’t present, or didn’t know. I just think it’s hilarious that it’s such a simple concept, yet nobody seems to throw that one out there.

        • June 2, 2016 at 11:06 pm
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          Really, it’s a pretty common theory I thought.

          If he knew about her I can’t believe he’d either abandon her on Jakku himself or not be looking for her.

          • June 2, 2016 at 11:10 pm
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            Scenario 1)
            Man gets woman pregnant. Woman does not inform male of pregnancy.

            Scenario 2)
            Man gets woman pregnant. Woman tells man. Man is not present in child’s life for a million different possible reasons

          • June 3, 2016 at 6:20 am
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            Is it possible Luke was marooned on Ach-To? Maybe he left on purpose, but didn’t intend to stay for that long.

        • June 2, 2016 at 11:17 pm
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          Not the jedi way.

          • June 2, 2016 at 11:20 pm
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            Not according to any of the movies that were actually watchable.

      • June 3, 2016 at 6:18 am
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        Who says she was brought there? Maybe she was born there. All we know is that she was left there.

  • June 2, 2016 at 9:50 pm
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    Every Star Wars film ever seen (Episodes 1-6) were all about the Skywalker family… Luke is in TFA but not as much screen time than any of the Skywalkers in previous installments and Luke was the “Last Jedi” and who must have allowed Rey to be trained before fighting Kylo? No-One! Who allowed Leia to already feel that Luke is her brother? No-One!7

    – My theory on who really is the father.

  • June 2, 2016 at 10:18 pm
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    I get the whole “Jedi Baby” thing, I really don’t understand why she would have to be born from two Jedi to be so powerful. Luke is the most powerful Jedi in the universe only had one Jedi for a parent. Leia also has a pretty powerful force user as a son. The truth is there is no quick answer.

    • June 2, 2016 at 10:23 pm
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      That’s the point though. Of all of the most powerful Jedi, how many have two Jedi parents? None. Now imagine if Rey did have two Jedi parents. She doesn’t have to, necessarily, but it could explain her natural affinity in the Force.

      • June 2, 2016 at 11:04 pm
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        If the woman Jedi is red-haired in your theory, i support it.

  • June 2, 2016 at 10:30 pm
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    I like and like this theory above. Yes, the STAR WARS story is about the Skywalker family, but that does not dictate that Rey must be a Skywalker. Even though Luke may not have had much screen time, the whole point to TFA was to find Luke. Also, the Skywalker family lives on due to the birth of Ben Solo. Therefore, TFA, like the other 6 films, is about the Skywalker family.
    I personally think that just making Rey Luke’s daughter is too cliché. Why can’t she just be a nobody who has a very strong connection with the force???
    I look forward to finding out who Rey truly is! 🙂

    • June 2, 2016 at 10:59 pm
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      Having the Force linked to the Skywalker is a deadend if you want to make one Star Wars movie every two years.

    • June 2, 2016 at 11:02 pm
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      it’s maybe cliché but i think they want in sort of a thing to adress an hommage to Legends and revive the saga of Jaina and Jacen Solo. They were twins/siblings and now we will have cousins.

    • June 3, 2016 at 6:43 am
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      Luke was a nobody, too. We hear about Anakin from Obi-wan, but it doesn’t carry any real weight until we found out the truth about Vader. Interestingly, if you watch in chronological order, Luke is a MAJOR somebody when he is introduced in episode IV. Maybe Rey is the same. Right now we have no idea who she is, but there is plenty in the film to hint that she is somebody really important. Luke’s daughter? Only time will tell.

  • June 2, 2016 at 10:34 pm
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    I don’t think she is a reincarnation, thats just crazy. She has a relation with Leia and they recognized each other at the end of the movie and hugged. That fact has to be addressed sometime. She is either Han and Leia’s daughter or their niece. Maz asked Han “So who’s the girl” and he told her, but off camera. Maz knows who she is but didn’t share that with the audience. Rey was likely sent off for her own protection and some information was hidden from her. What’s Unkar Plutt’s role in this is yet to be seen… The fact the Falcon came to be in his possession may not be as simple as he just stole it.

    • June 2, 2016 at 10:58 pm
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      JJ adressed it saying it was a mistake in the movie.

      • June 2, 2016 at 11:42 pm
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        Regardless of what JJ said. It’s now cannon, it has to be addressed.

        • June 2, 2016 at 11:57 pm
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          Or we have to wait for SE…

          “Rey hugs first !!”

          • June 3, 2016 at 12:09 am
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            Maybe?

  • June 2, 2016 at 10:40 pm
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    That’s a nice theory, but it’s wrong, because Rey is Luke’s daughter.

    After Luke destroyed the first Death Star and then later converted the face of evil in the galaxy to the good side, he became quite popular with the ladies. Without pesky Yoda around to instruct him about the old celibacy rules of the Jedi, Luke was like “yipee!” Had Luke not taken the proper precautions, there would be a veritable army of little Jedis running around the galaxy.

    So on one fateful day, Luke’s “light saber sheath” failed. Luke was like “oh shit”, but she said, “don’t worry, it’s not the right time of month.” (Her name was Kara Blade.) So Luke’s like “I gotta bail” and he took off.

    A few weeks later Kara found out the truth — that she was pregnant with the Jedi Master’s child. But deadbeat Luke was off “looking for Jedi temples” (code for finding good hook-up bars). Kara tried raising the youngling herself, but after 5 years found that she could no longer handle it on her own.

    So Kara found an ad on Craigslist for the Unkar Plutt adoption agency. No questions asked and the child would have her very own apartment with ample future job training opportunities. She dropped off Rey and told her she’d “be right back.”

    Hopefully we’ll get to see this fully fleshed-out in a future Star Wars Story.

    • June 2, 2016 at 10:51 pm
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      haha i ve laughed how it is phrased. well done !!

      but in all seriousness, the fact that Mses Blade left her on Jakku is very plausible. Because as an the old hand of the Emperor she had to hide and can’t give a proper education to his child with the dangerous life she is living. i hope Kara Blade is red-haired.

    • June 2, 2016 at 11:17 pm
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      So when they say Luke was off searching for the first Jedi temple, he was actually looking for the very first hook-up bar in the galaxy!?!? Wow, imagine the kind of strange you could find there!

    • June 2, 2016 at 11:39 pm
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      Comments like this is the reason why I visit forums…

  • June 2, 2016 at 11:16 pm
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    I just don’t buy it. The whole theory is pinned solely on the fact that Rey is strong in the Force. That is all.

    Besides, Rey is Chewbacca’s daughter.

  • June 2, 2016 at 11:18 pm
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    I can say only this – If Rey is not Luke’s daughter, I will be terribly dissappointed

  • June 2, 2016 at 11:18 pm
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    I don’t think the reincarnation of Anakin theory is that far fetched…I agree that it would not be possible that Rey was dropped on Jakku in connection to the massacre that Kylo brings, but it is possible Luke learns this fact when Rey was a young girl and quickly dispatched her on Jakku for protection, hiding, waiting for the right time…whatever. The idea of Luke having a child is starting to make me wonder as well…who knows. Anything is possible. All I know is that this topic is starting to consume my life! Haha

    • June 2, 2016 at 11:19 pm
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      i am lurking here since 2 hours now.

      lol

      • June 2, 2016 at 11:42 pm
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        Haha, yes!

    • June 2, 2016 at 11:24 pm
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      The thing about the Anakin reincarnated thing that gets me is that Anakin is presumably still a living being in the Force. Like Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, and Yoda before him, he was able to hold on to his individuality in the Force after his bodily death. So how could he be “reincarnated” if he still lives in some way? He would have to either create a new body for himself (and for some reason he went female?) or he would have to somehow possess another living being. Both of these seem crazy to me. Now, I can understand the more plausible variation on this theory – that she was created by the force “like” Anakin was, although I hope that is not the case personally. But I just think that for her to be Anakin himself is about as far fetched as you can get.

      • June 2, 2016 at 11:41 pm
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        He may not still live as the spirit of Anakin though. If he’s reincarnated his higher conscious would no longer be available because it’s in Rey’s body. If he was still spiritually present I would think he would’ve appeared to Ben saying “Yo, cut this crap out, I was redeemed to the light”. Depending on what you believe in the higher consciousness, this is viable but You are right though, it is far fetched, at least in the terms of the general Star Wars fans. Honestly I hope she’s Luke’s the most but it is fun to ponder and wax about it.

  • June 2, 2016 at 11:24 pm
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    Brother, I think you’re onto something here.

    I couldn’t agree with you more – the simplest explanation is very often the correct one. I still remember the span between May of 1980 and May of 1983, when so much breath and ink were spent in mulling over the question, “Who is Luke Skywalker’s REAL father?!” I recall hearing folks speculating on everyone from Boba Fett to Ben Kenobi to the third stormtrooper from the left in the carbon freeze scene. And of course, in the end it was always Vader.

    And indeed, in the end Rey’s father could end up being Luke. “That lightsaber belonged to Anakin Skywalker, then Luke Skywalker, and now it calls to YOU!”

    But I actually prefer your theory about her parents being Jedi whom Luke was training, and who never returned to Jakku because Kylo/Ben and his goons ended up killing them. It makes perfect sense, and it would also give Luke a moral dilemma to wrestle with. He’s apparently in hiding because he feels responsible for what Kylo did to the new Jedi. Now the daughter of two of them turns up in his front yard holding his old lightsaber? An old “tortured hero” cliche, but a solid one.

    Here’s a further wrinkle.

    What if one of Rey’s Jedi parents ended up being one of Kylo Ren’s knights? It’d explain why she’s not only strong with the Force, but also very easily motivated by anger. Plus, it’d give Luke something else to worry about in deciding whether or not to train Rey.

  • June 2, 2016 at 11:29 pm
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    Rey is Disney’s typical orphant.

    • June 2, 2016 at 11:32 pm
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      i hope not but it’s true it’s their personal touch. they will adress the origins of rey in the Prequels-2 of Sequels in 2030.

      you see what i did there ?

      • June 3, 2016 at 12:18 am
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        Rey is gonna be the face of the force for a long long time, that’s why they took unknown actors and actress.

  • June 2, 2016 at 11:59 pm
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    “Even if both of her parents were just average Jedi, I would think this would still give her an edge over someone who was born to just one Force-sensitive parent.”

    -not sure if i agree with that statement.. that means we’re assuming all jedi are equipped with measurable units of power. i think the force is mysterious in its own way, and that someone who was born to non jedi parents can be equally as powerful as someone who has two jedi parents. still in the rey skywalker camp, but i enjoyed this well thought out post!!

  • June 3, 2016 at 12:05 am
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    She could have been left on Jakku by Luke long before he trained other Jedi, just for the fact he was afraid another Skywalker child would be at risk. A fact confirmed by trouble with Ben. Or the mother could have hid her from Luke after finding out about his father, something that would scare any normal mother.

    • June 3, 2016 at 12:20 am
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      Doesn’t fit the timeline and Luke would have left her with Plutt ? She had to fight to eat.

  • June 3, 2016 at 12:09 am
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    I regret I haven’t saved those rogue one lego set pics

  • June 3, 2016 at 12:16 am
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    Snoke is Kitster

    • June 3, 2016 at 12:27 am
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      Scrimshaw said that a few weeks ago on Forcecast lol

    • June 3, 2016 at 3:58 pm
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      That’s so wizard.

  • June 3, 2016 at 12:17 am
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    How could Rey be so powerful with the force without training? Maybe she was a youngling that trained under Luke, but was taken away too young to remember? Many people can’t remember much of their childhood by the time they’re young adults. Maybe a further memory block was put into place for reasons of hiding her from Snoke? Maybe desert planets are an ideal environment for the development of certain personality traits?

    As for lineage, there is a strong argument that Star Wars is about the Skywalkers. Not wanting her to be a Skywalker is having a problem understanding certain kinds of stories and objecting because it is “predictable.” The Dune series, for example, follows the Atreides line for nearly 20k years because they developed a particular genetic trait that simply doesn’t show up in non-Atreides. Maybe that is true for the Skywalkers as well?

    • June 3, 2016 at 12:19 am
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      She was already a fighter on Jakku. She took down 3 of the Plutt hunters alone and even Finn in one shot.

      • June 3, 2016 at 1:26 am
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        Finn, a trained soldier. Yeah, see, that’s not like a GOOD argument against her being a Mary Sue.

  • June 3, 2016 at 12:22 am
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    This time twist is that Luke killed Rey’s parents. And Kylo will tell her : I told you they were murderers and thieves !

  • June 3, 2016 at 12:23 am
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    I wonder if more of Luke’s past will reveal a lost love-interest and the mother’s child took her away due to a force vision of the future, or maybe was forced to leave her on Jakku as she was being chased by the First Order, or a combination of the two. Luke struggling with his grief failed to concentrate fully upon Ben.

    • June 3, 2016 at 2:04 am
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      And left tke kid in the most untrusful hands….

      • June 3, 2016 at 10:28 am
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        Well I did say possibly forced, as a father if it was a choice between leaving my kids with a less than savoury character or certain death, I would always go with that slim chance of hope that the kids would be found.

  • June 3, 2016 at 12:24 am
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    What if Rey was as powerful as she was simply because she was a poorly written Mary Sue character? Even before she had awoken to the Force, she was showing off her skills and proving to the audience, over and over again, just how strong and independent she was. Unlike Luke, Rey wasn’t allowed to truly fail in her first film. That was mostly Finn’s job, and boy did he knock it out of the park!

    I don’t like the idea of Jedi becoming weaker simply because one of their parents wasn’t Force sensitive. Was Luke weaker than Anakin because his mother wasn’t a Jedi? Was Ben Solo weaker than Anakin because Han and Padme’s blood flows through him?

    Let’s cut the nonsense fan theories and just admit bad writing when we see it.

    • June 3, 2016 at 12:26 am
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      Midichlorians is bad writing – it complicates something not complicated, and for no reason.

      Rey’s identity isn’t even fleshed out yet so jumping the gun isn’t necessary at this time lol

      • June 3, 2016 at 12:39 am
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        It makes sense though that the Jedi at that time would have a scientific instrument to help identify if force-sensitive children had the potential to be Jedi. In the time of the OT the Force was a hokey religion and the Jedi almost gone from the purge, any thoughts on Midichlorians long lost to the general public.

        • June 3, 2016 at 1:00 am
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          The OT gave me the impression that the Force was something spiritual that could be felt and experienced, not measured and compared.

          I hated the inclusion of midi-chlorians into the Saga. Among other things, it made it much easier to compare Jedi to each other. Bah.

          • June 3, 2016 at 1:27 am
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            I totally understand. One way to look at it was the Jedi had lost their way, said as much by Yoda, and the over-use of technology to measure the force was one of those misguided attempts to better understand it. Hence the lack of the spiritual nature is part of the inbalance in the force.

        • June 4, 2016 at 6:03 pm
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          Right. And that does what for the overall plot and themes? Its just unnecessary.

          • June 4, 2016 at 9:40 pm
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            Well yes, overall in the films it gives very little, other than support the notion of the Jedi turning into myths and legend. All depends on how deep you want to go I suppose.

      • June 3, 2016 at 1:01 am
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        I’m not focused on Rey’s identity. I’m focused on what she was able to do vs. what was previously established in Star Wars, especially the OT.

    • June 3, 2016 at 12:27 am
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      She was beaten by Kylo Ren during the movie and she let the monsters out by making a mistake in Han’s freighter. She’s not that much a Mary Sue. When she fought Kylo Ren, it was the force to chose his side. If Kylo won, he would have killed the last jedi.

      • June 3, 2016 at 12:32 am
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        Rey being captured by Kylo Ren opened the door to her awakening to the Force, beating him at the mind read, freeing herself using the Jedi mind trick and allowed her to defeat the main villain on her first try.

        Lucky her.

        Yes, Rey accidentally release the rathtars, but don’t forget that she fixed the problem herself while getting to save Finn. The rathtars also took care of the bad guys.

        Not too shabby.

        Ren’s victory over Kylo Ren was not earned. I would’ve been fine had Kylo Ren’s injury slowed him enough to narrowly allow Rey to get away with a few defensive lightsaber swings, but she should not have won that fight.

        Even if Kylo Ren had won his fight against Rey, that doesn’t automatically mean he would’ve been able to find and kill Luke.

        • June 3, 2016 at 12:33 am
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          Nope. She get in Kylo’s head when he tried to get in her mind. That’s the moment she get the trick.

          • June 3, 2016 at 12:35 am
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            I don’t get it. Was that supposed to be an argument in your favor? ^_-

          • June 3, 2016 at 12:38 am
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            Another one who gets worried for his balls after seeing the movie ? Anakin destroyed a fleet at 7. Luke destroyed a deathstar in his first flight. Where’s the difference. She’s a girl ?

          • June 3, 2016 at 12:56 am
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            I don’t care about my masculinity. I care about the film making sense compared to what’s been previously established. BTW, I’ve also criticized child Anakin for winning the pod race so easily and for destroying the droid control ship.

            Luke destroyed the Death Star because he had experience as a pilot on Tatooine and because he had lots of practice shooting womprats with his T-16. He just so happened to use the Force, along with guidance by Obi-Wan, instead of his targeting computer.

            Other than the Force part, Luke wasn’t doing anything the other Rebel pilots weren’t capable of. Contrast this to Rey defeating a trained and experience lightsaber and Force-capable villain on her first try without any training or considerable experience.

          • June 3, 2016 at 1:17 am
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            If you criticize evey movie, maybe you should do yours. What are you looking for realistic things in a movie about the Force, deathstars, jedis, lightsabers ? None of this is real … You can’t fly at lightspeed too.

          • June 3, 2016 at 1:37 am
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            Since when is criticizing one film criticizing them all? This isn’t about looking for realism in Star Wars. This is about the new story needing to make sense to the in-universe logic established by the previous films.

            This is Star Wars. There are rules. 😉

          • June 3, 2016 at 1:37 am
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            … but the fiction is grounded in its own reality, it creates ‘rules’ that the in-universe has to follow…. :o)

          • June 3, 2016 at 2:31 am
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            I know it’s been said before, but I have to throw my two cents in on this stuff. Rey has had training with ships plenty because it’s said in the movie that she’s flown plenty of times, just not off world because she didn’t want to leave, It’s fair to say she ha d just as much “training” as Luke would have had casually flying around with his buddies killing womprats.

            As for Rey defeating a “trained and experienced lightsaber and force-capable villain” I’d like to bring up that she’s had to deal with low-lives using melee combat so she knows her way around them, and Kylo Ren was very much dying after Chewbacca shot him in the gut with a bowcaster that makes regular people fly in the air. You try keeping your fencing skills in check after getting shot.

            I’ll also throw this in that I always think people overlook: The small training scene Luke has in ANH on the Falcon. Luke didn’t look like much of a fighter at all, he’s a farmboy after all. But after Obi-Wan tells him to just focus a little: Bam. Blocks 3 blaster shots perfectly. And even he got beat-up by a tusken raider which I’m sure Rey pre force awakens could wipe the floor with.

          • June 3, 2016 at 11:52 am
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            Low-level thugs are nothing compared to a trained Force user with years of experience with the lightsaber. Rey was a survivor, not a trained warrior. Chewie’s bowcaster was blasting stormtroopers up into the air. It should’ve knocked Kylo Ren clear off that bridge. He didn’t even see it coming. This weapon was inconsistent.

            Kylo Ren didn’t act like he was seriously injured during his fight. Did he limp around or swing his lightsaber sluggishly? No. He fought as if he was perfectly healthy. He even chased Rey around. He didn’t act injured until the script needed him to.

            Obi-Wan’s training wasn’t much, but at least it was something. Luke also received additional training by Yoda before he faced Vader for the first time. He still lost. Meanwhile, Rey, with no on screen or confirmed training whatsoever, defeated the main villain in her first film, on her first try. The filmmakers wanted Rey to look badass, but her victory was unearned.

          • June 3, 2016 at 2:42 pm
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            Ren did look injured considering he kept stepping back after a clash and hitting his wound because the pain was the only thing fueling him, also the bleeding that was all over to show the severity of his injury. This happend early in the fight too, not just at certain times in the fight. I remember the time Obi-Wan took a poke from Dooku’s saber to the leg and it decommissioned him. That’s at least a comparable injury to a direct hit from even a regular a blaster to the gut, Ren may have kept his composure well, but that doesn’t mean he was still at 100% speed and maneuverability.

            I’ll take that low level thugs aren’t a comparison for Ren, But that’s also guessing that she never fought any warriors in her days. It’s not like every encounter she would have had on Jakku would have been with people who all were terrible fighters. I’ll also throw in an argument I saw above that Snoke indeed wanted her brought to him, so there’s no reason he would try to land a killing blow, but just trying to beat her down.

            And as for training, how much melee training did we really see Luke have on-screen compared to Rey? Obi-wan showed him to deflect blasters on the Falcon, he took a wampa’s arm off, and we see him take three blows at force-vision Vader. We see more Luke training in how to use force powers, not combat techniques. I’d still bet money on Rey knowing better fighting styles to Luke if we’re just counting on or off-screen.

          • June 4, 2016 at 12:16 pm
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            Kylo Ren only hit his wound when he wasn’t fighting. It never affected his lightsaber combat. He moved about and swung it just fine. He only acted weak at the very end when the script wanted to wrap things up. Rey’s victory was unearned.

            Considering how powerful they made Chewie’s bowcaster out to be, it should’ve knocked Kylo Ren clear off the bridge. It was even a direct hit, unlike the one that knocked a bunch of stormtroopers up into the air. Plus, I think it should’ve ripped him in half.

            Kylo Ren should’ve been hit by an ordinary blaster, not Chewie’s powerful bowcaster. At least that would make more sense. Kylo Ren moved and fought as if he was at normal strength. No limping, sluggish movement or lightsaber swinging, etc.

            What we saw from Rey’s portrayal on Jakku was supposed to give us an indication of the type of person she was and what her strengths and limitations are. There’s nothing in her portrayal or background that leads me to believe she’s a trained warrior. She uses the staff on occasion to take care of low-level thugs who give her trouble. She’s a simple scavenger. Who else is going to give her problems?

            There’s a difference between not trying to kill someone and getting your ass kicked by them. Vader wasn’t trying to kill Luke in V. Did Luke kick his ass as a result?

            Luke’s training with the lightsaber was limited, but at least we got to see something. Plus, he didn’t lightsaber fight Vader until the second film. Most importantly, he still lost! Meanwhile, Rey, haven only demonstrated enough staff skills to defeat two low-level thugs, picked up a weapon she had never used before and defeated the main villain with it on her first try, in her first film.

          • June 3, 2016 at 7:48 am
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            “Luke wasn’t doing anything the other Rebel pilots weren’t capable of.”
            (?)

            ‘That’s impossible, even for a computer,’ so the line goes.

          • June 3, 2016 at 11:10 am
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            Yeah, then Luke corrected him. Besides, if it really was impossible for a computer to help the pilot hit his target, then those Rebels were just wasting their time trying. They had no idea a Force sensitive fighter was among them.

          • June 3, 2016 at 1:22 am
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            “That’s not how the Force works!”
            .
            Nonsense. In that case I expect that there is now a stormtrooper running around Mos Eisley who can perform Jedi mind tricks.

        • June 3, 2016 at 1:43 am
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          “Yes, Rey accidentally released the rathtars, but don’t forget that she fixed the problem herself while getting to save Finn.”

          How exactly did Rey “fix the problem herself”? There was a rathtar sucking on the Falcon cockpit until Han launched into light speed.

          • June 3, 2016 at 12:03 pm
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            Rey freed Finn while locking the rathtar. Accidentally releasing them took care of the bad guys. The remaining loose rathtar wasn’t a problem.

    • June 3, 2016 at 12:29 am
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      I think bad writing is a possibility. But, this aspect of the story, in particular, because of the force vision she had, is something that was discussed and planned around in length with JJ, Kathy, and Kasdan. Daisy Ridley has already confessed she knows who her parents are…this means there is a plan.

      Answering these questions has less to do with the Star Wars universe and more about getting in JJ, Kathy, and Kasdan’s heads.

      • June 3, 2016 at 12:39 am
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        I don’t care about the plan. I care about what we saw in TFA and its relation to what’s been previous established. It doesn’t make any sense for a person to learn the Force and demonstrate Force abilities the way Rey did. She was more powerful than Luke was at the end of ROTJ.

        It’s like Abrams chucked the established rules and did whatever he wanted, in-universe logic be damned.

        • June 3, 2016 at 7:16 pm
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          My “plan” comment is related to her lineage, not her quick study of the Force. But, I get the relationship between lineage and possible Force instinct. Anyway, if you don’t care about the plan that is fine. But, there clearly is one and so it is likely they will try to fit it all together.

          But, who knows Leia hugged Chewie and R2 “woke up” for no reason. Maybe R2 has the force and Leia and Chewie aren’t on speaking terms because he shot Ben Solo? Or maybe it’s bad planning/writing.

          • June 4, 2016 at 10:56 am
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            It’s not that I don’t care about their plan. It’s that I don’t see how they can rationally justify Rey learning the Force so quickly, without any on screen or confirmed training, or be so good at everything.

            Even if they could, it wouldn’t change the fact that a Star Wars character who keeps winning, showing off her skills and makes other characters look bad compared to her is annoying and boring to me. I want to see her succeed and fail sometimes, like Luke did.

    • June 3, 2016 at 12:34 am
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      Before we see Ep 8 and 9, it’s not bad writing.

      • June 3, 2016 at 12:36 am
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        ANH didn’t need V and VI to make sense. TFA shouldn’t need VIII or IX either.

        • June 3, 2016 at 12:37 am
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          What sense. A farm boy destroying a deathstar ? Luke didn’t even fly a spaceship on Tattoine.

          • June 3, 2016 at 12:42 am
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            Luke was established as a capable pilot on Tatooine. Obi-Wan said so. “I’ve heard you’ve become a good pilot yourself.” Luke had a local reputation. His buddy Biggs also vouched for him on Yavin IV.

            Luke was training to enter into the Imperial Academy. He was piloting and shooting womprats. That was his goal.

          • June 3, 2016 at 12:44 am
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            A spaceship is different of a speeder. Rey was a staff fighter what is the difference ?

          • June 3, 2016 at 12:47 am
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            I’m not talking about Luke’s speeder. I’m talking about two characters who established that Luke had a good reputation on Tatooine as a pilot.

          • June 3, 2016 at 12:49 am
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            He never left Tattoine … How could he has fly a spaceship ? He was supposed to join the academy but Lars always told him not to go.

          • June 3, 2016 at 12:50 am
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            It’s not about flying in space. It’s about ANH establishing Luke as a pilot prior to seeing him fly. I didn’t make the movie. I’m just telling you what it told me.

          • June 3, 2016 at 12:54 am
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            Well Luke took down a death star escaping all the Tie’s fighter on his first space flight. He never flied a X Wing ever. This is cinema.

          • June 3, 2016 at 1:03 am
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            And Poe was able to get a handle on the TIE Fighter because he was experienced enough with piloting. I find this much more plausible than a scavenger struggling to survive in a harsh environment being able to out manuever two experienced TIE Fighter pilots.

            Plus, Luke had help escaping the TIE Fighters (Wedge) and taking down the Death Star (Han, Obi-Wan’s Force ghost and Biggs)

          • June 3, 2016 at 1:35 am
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            Look to the ‘Art of TFA’ and all will/might be revealed….. early concepts had Rey with a sky-speeder, and it’s a pity that it got changed to a ‘tug’ land-speeder, since this would have immediately anchored her credentials as a pilot. BTW… it’s presumably harder to fly a craft in an atmosphere, than in the vacuum of space ??! So, as she admittedly says in the film, “flying but never off-planet” will have provided a basis for good piloting skills….. pity we never see it, and have to take her [and Kasdan’s] word for it :o)

          • June 3, 2016 at 1:15 am
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            No. No he really really didn’t. You need to watch the movie again because somehow you’ve missed that he 1)had cover from two other fighters for most of the run, both of whom end up being knocked out of the fight and then 2) Luke takes a significant hit, damaging his droid when 3) he is LITERALLY seconds away from becoming a quickly-expanding ball of gas under Vader’s fire if it were not for the fact that 4) Han and Chewie swoop in and save him just as Vader is firing. I mean, that’s just so astoundingly wrong that I can only believe you are being willfully ignorant to try to make some nonsense case about TFA.

          • June 3, 2016 at 6:27 am
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            Are you stupid? The film clearly stated that an X-Wing’s piloting controls are similar to bush-craft. What did Luke pilot? A Skyhopper bush-craft.

          • June 3, 2016 at 7:45 am
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            Key word here: “similar.”

          • June 3, 2016 at 1:08 am
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            The only person talking about speeders is you. Rey only used the staff once to beat up two low-level thugs. She wasn’t doing anything special.

            Rey was a survivor, not a warrior. He main concern was scavenging long enough to reunite with her family.

          • June 3, 2016 at 7:44 am
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            I’m pretty sure she beat up plenty of guys with that staff off-screen. Hence the reason why she carried it around with her on one of the most dangerous planets in the galaxy.

          • June 3, 2016 at 11:15 am
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            Rey was portrayed as a character focused on surviving. She only used her staff for self defense, not combat. She’s not a warrior.

          • June 3, 2016 at 1:58 am
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            Rey is established as good pilot by us seeing her be a good pilot. The idea that we must have someone say “I heard you’re a good pilot” before they are allowed to fly well is a bit silly. “Show it; don’t tell it” is a screenwriting axiom.

          • June 3, 2016 at 11:57 am
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            That doesn’t apply here. ANH showed and told Luke being a good pilot. I was simply explaining how it made sense for a farmboy to be able to fly a ship.

          • June 3, 2016 at 2:53 am
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            When we heard Rey say she was a pilot and then saw her fly…that was basically the same thing. So you just assume she knew how to fly. The how and why doesn’t matter unless you are looking to nitpick..

          • June 3, 2016 at 11:23 am
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            Using this argument, you can make any character do anything. Just demonstrate it. Their character backgrounds become irrelevant.

            It made sense that Luke knew how to fly, not simply because they took the time to establish it, but because it was consistent with Luke’s original goal to join his friends at the Academy. Rey is a scavenger focused on surviving. It doesn’t really make a lot of sense for her to know how to fly and understand all these languages. She had limited time, energy and resources. Plus, she mostly kept to herself.

            The film just gave her all these skills because they wanted a strong, independent female character for all the women and feminists in the audience. I’m not against female protagonists. In fact, I want to see more of them. I just want ones who make sense and aren’t overpowered. Make them lose sometimes and need saving, like Luke.

          • June 4, 2016 at 12:22 am
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            “Using this argument, you can make any character do anything. Just demonstrate it.”
            This is correct. HOW DOES HAN KNOW TO FLY A SHIP?

            BECAUSE WE SEE HIM FLY IT. This is how it works, haha.

          • June 4, 2016 at 10:43 am
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            Wrong. Han was a smuggler. His job was to transport illegal goods and people across the galaxy. That’s why he was a pilot, and that’s why Obi-Wan sought his services.

          • June 4, 2016 at 4:24 pm
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            He could have been lying to swindle travelers. Until we saw him fly. This is literally the dumbest argument. have a good weekend.

          • June 5, 2016 at 10:29 am
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            My point is a character’s actions need to make sense with their background. Han being able to fly makes sense given his background. Rey, not so much. But instead of recognizing that, you conveniently blow me off because you have no real argument.

            Bye.

          • June 3, 2016 at 6:23 am
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            No, he was preparing to board a ship to the academy, and then jump ship onto a Rebel one instead.

          • June 3, 2016 at 11:16 am
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            That only changed at the last minute after Biggs revealed his plans to Luke in a deleted scene.

    • June 3, 2016 at 12:40 am
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      Sigh. Rey had a big moment of doubt and ran off. Luke had no such moment. You say Mary Sue, but can never back it up.

      • June 3, 2016 at 12:45 am
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        Luke also initially rejected Obi-Wan’s offer to train as a Jedi. He only changed his mind when he had discovered his aunt and uncle’s remains.

        I just backed up my Mary Sue accusation in the same post. Pay attention.

        • June 3, 2016 at 2:45 am
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          He said no, but didn’t run off and say he never wanted anything to do with it. I just backed up mine. Attention paid.

          • June 3, 2016 at 11:39 am
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            I thought Rey’s rejection was a bit over-the-top. I get that the lightsaber had traumatized her, but no one was forcing her to take it. Running away looked silly. What the hell was she thinking…

            I’m not talking about paying attention to Luke. I’m talking about my Mary Sue criticisms in my original post.

        • June 3, 2016 at 2:46 am
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          Also, Luke’s wasn’t of doubt, but obligation to his aunt and uncle. Slightly different (but he did still reject it, yes)

    • June 3, 2016 at 1:54 am
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      “Mary Sue” is such an american construct. The name and the implied character type does not make sense in the rest of the world, which happens to be the majority.

      • June 3, 2016 at 2:15 am
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        The force awoke in me when I met my soul-mate wife who is good at everything and can read my mind and bend my will 🙂 “Mary Sue” is code for, “I’m a sexist and can’t admit chicks can be amazing”. You never hear females using the term “Mary Sue”…wonder why?

        • June 3, 2016 at 2:43 am
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          Don’t even bother with that one dude, he comes here just to bash. He enjoys it.

        • June 3, 2016 at 6:13 am
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          I never hear people refer to know-it-all men who rarely lose “Gary Stus.” Instead, they’re usually called “Han Solos.”

      • June 3, 2016 at 11:57 am
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        I’m sorry. Do you have a point?

    • June 3, 2016 at 2:52 am
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      How did Luke truly fail?

      • June 3, 2016 at 11:34 am
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        Glad you asked.

        First of all, when I say “truly fail”, I mean make a mistake you can’t fix yourself, get captured and not be able to save yourself or lose a fight.

        In ANH, Luke:

        – made a mistake by spying on the sand people. He then needed Obi-Wan to save him.

        – tried to play it safe at the Cantina bar, but he still needed Obi-Wan to save him from the bar aliens.

        – succeeded in freeing Leia from her cell, but he had no proper exit strategy. He needed Leia to get them out of the blocked corridor.

        – needed Wedge to save him from one of the TIE Fighters.

        – needed Han to save him from Darth Vader during the Death Star trench run.

        In contrast, Rey fixed her own problem with accidentally releasing the rathtars by sealing them up again after they took care of the bad guys. She also saved Finn in the process. Kylo Ren had captured Rey, but she later freed herself. Rey left the safety on her blaster, but she quickly fixed this and killed all the stormtroopers shooting at her. Every time Rey technically needed to be saved (air strike; Starkiller Base about to blow up), Finn was right there to look worse off by comparison.

        Luke was allowed to succeed and fail. Rey just succeeded. Even when she failed (got captured by Kylo Ren), it worked out in her favor. Boring.

        • June 3, 2016 at 4:42 pm
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          With respect, I think you’re bigging up Luke’s supposed failures and playing down those of Rey, which do happen.

          • June 4, 2016 at 11:32 am
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            I’m not bigging up Luke’s failures. I’m recalling them from ANH. I’m not saying Rey was perfect, but when did she fail?

        • June 4, 2016 at 12:23 am
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          Wow, those are mistakes,not failures. And yeah, Rey kind of skirts by, but a different story is also ok.

          • June 4, 2016 at 10:40 am
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            I mean fail as opposed to succeed. Luke was allowed to fail and make mistakes he couldn’t always fix himself. Rey was not.

            A different story where the main character keeps winning, looking good saving others, showing off her skills and defeating the main villain (mind read and lightsaber fight) is boring and predictable.

            Having Rey lose sometimes and need others to save her makes her more relatable and adds tension to the film.

    • June 3, 2016 at 7:51 am
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      Star Wars fans often jump the gun and call an independent female “bad writings” but are perfectly ok with the recycled Death Star III plotline, which I call “bad writing,”

      • June 3, 2016 at 10:52 am
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        Yeah. I call them both “bad writing”.

    • June 3, 2016 at 10:37 am
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      Bad writing is bad writing. An incomplete story is an incomplete story. The “Mary Sue” affaire is becoming very annoying. Actually, I didn’t know the term before it became popular to destroy a good SW film. Or to justify mysoginist attacks. Rey was a classic SW character type, and everything she did in TFA could be easily explained with a more introspective and narrative screenplay (a.k.a. Episode 8). Until then, every “Mary Sue” accuse has the same weight of the “nonsense fan theories”.

      • June 3, 2016 at 11:05 am
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        We shouldn’t have to wait until VIII to properly understand TFA. We didn’t have to wait until V to understand ANH because it told a complete story. V built on that story, in part, by providing an iconic twist. With VIII, we’re hoping to have some holes filled in, such as who Rey’s parents are and what the New Republic’s role is in the galaxy. This is an unsatisfying process.

        I won’t speak for all people (esp misogynists), but a lot of us are making the “Mary Sue” criticisms because Rey kept demonstrating how good she was at practically everything while never making a mistake she couldn’t fix herself and almost never needed to be saved. She even got to defeat the main villain on her first try. Finn was pretty much her complete opposite in terms of competency and skill levels. It’s ridiculous.

        Rey is not a classic SW character type. Take Luke, for example. Luke was allowed to make mistakes, lose and need saving, all in his first film. He needed Obi-Wan to save him from the sand people and the Cantina aliens. He needed Wedge to save him from the TIE Fighter and Han to save him from Vader during the Death Star trench run. He succeeded at freeing Leia from her cell, but he needed her to get them out of the blocked corridor. Luke didn’t regularly show off his skills to the characters around him.

        Unlike Rey, Luke was allowed to succeed AND FAIL. He was reasonably balanced out in overall competency. Rey and Finn were not.

        • June 3, 2016 at 1:11 pm
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          Oh, no. I’m not going to enter in this swamp again. Ep.7 is clearly uncomplete. And it needs Ep.8 because it is already born as the first chapter of a trilogy. Ep.4 didn’t. I think Abrams’ work was not to show an heroic and powerful character just because yes, but to tease fans about the actual origins of her great powers. This is a story setted backward. It’s pretty obvious. So, fans can like or not this kind of writing, but jump to these radical conclusions just because something didn’t match is wrong. It’s serial language. If something doesn’t match, probably is because of a lack of information, not because of an illogical writing.

          • June 4, 2016 at 12:31 pm
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            This is Star Wars. There are rules.

            Rey’s sudden ability to perform all these Force abilities, without any on screen or confirmed training, is inconsistent with what was previously established. A lot of people have commented on this.

            Whether they make sense of this or not, I don’t think it’s compelling to show a character consistently win, show off her skills and save others while almost never need saving or make a mistake she can’t fix herself. I want main characters who experience a mixture of failure and success, like Luke. Rey and Finn are way too one-sided. He kept losing while she kept winning. Even when she needed to be saved (air strike and Starkiller Base about to blow up), there Finn was to always look worse off by comparison.

            Rey had just awoken to the Force in TFA. She hasn’t even been trained yet. How could she possibly be as strong, if not stronger, than Luke was at the end of ROTJ? More importantly, who would want a hero who’s already that strong at the beginning of their journey?

            Kylo Ren had used a lightsaber for years. Rey used it for the first time when she defeated him. How could you possibly compare these two?

            Rey was not losing the fight. She was on the defensive. Notice how she was the only one to walk away without a scratch. And Kylo Ren was stupid to let her meditate. What was he expecting her to do? Dumb characters written to do dumb things.

            Rey is clearly a Mary Sue character. Even without the Force, she started off with a bunch of skills and kept demonstrating how she was an independent woman who didn’t need a man to save her. Finn was allowed to be unskilled and incompetent so that Rey could look good at his expense. She saved him twice, and he kept standing there clueless as she understood Chewie and worked and talked mechanics on the Falcon.

          • June 4, 2016 at 2:37 pm
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            “How could she possibly be as strong, if not stronger, than Luke was at the end of ROTJ? More importantly, who would want a hero who’s already that strong at the beginning of their journey?”

            Ehhmmm… Episode 8?

            Rey was actually loosing. Look at the scene, simply. Rey used the lightsaber just as it was her staff. Nothing fisically impossibile, no super-choreography.

            Rey’s very strong, but they could develop her in very itneresting ways. She’s the Force, but, maybe, the psichological development of this character will follow this fact. Luke had to discover the Force through an entire trilogy. Rey has a “natural” Force. They are different characters in different stories. So, what’s the problem?

          • June 5, 2016 at 10:36 am
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            Rey’s staff skill isn’t anything special. She only used her staff once to defeat two low-level thugs. Someone with her background should not have stood a chance fighting Kylo Ren. She wasn’t winning the fight at this point, but she succeeded in defending herself and not getting injured or captured.

            Rey’s abilities are inconsistent with the established rules in previous Star Wars films, and having a protagonist who’s this strong doesn’t make for a compelling story. Luke was an underdog throughout the OT, which helped rally fans to see him overcome his challenges. Meanwhile, Rey defeated the main villain in her first film, on her first try. This removes a lot of tension from their rematch because we’ve already seen her win against him.

        • June 3, 2016 at 4:40 pm
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          “We shouldn’t have to wait until VIII to properly understand TFA. We
          didn’t have to wait until V to understand ANH because it told a complete
          story.”

          Well, yes and no. When ANH came out it wasn’t a given there would be sequels and there was equally no franchise history. Empire leaves things hanging and so the questions in 1981 would have been the same as they are today.

          The TFA pattern is actually pretty similar to the prequels in that as Eps I & II came out we knew the rough direction of the story but how it all fit together was still a mystery.

          So I actually think the precedent is already there.

          • June 4, 2016 at 11:47 am
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            TFA purposely left Rey’s parents’ identity a mystery and didn’t take the time to explain the political situation in the galaxy. How large and influential was the New Resistance compared to the First Order? Did they control different territories of the galaxy? How much did the destruction of the Hosnian system affect the New Republic?

            In ANH, we were told that Luke’s father was a Jedi who had been killed by Vader, and we knew the Empire ran the galaxy, with a small band of Rebels struggling to overturn them. We understood the galactic situation, and we were surprised by the twist in TESB because they didn’t go out of their way to make it some big mystery in ANH.

            We knew where Episode I would eventually end up. We don’t know how TFA will end in IX, unless Disney rehashes too much from the OT.

    • June 3, 2016 at 4:35 pm
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      I’ll caveat my comment by saying I do tend to agree that TFA is poorly scripted (in terms of plot and character development rather than dialogue, on which the prequels will take some beating).

      However, Rey struggles against Kylo until the very end of their fight, and the fight is very much ended by the broken terrain rather than her being victorious. Plus she also was captured. In contrast, in New Hope Luke is pretty much the hero throughout and it’s only in Empire that he fails when facing Vader. There’s no reason Rey can’t “fail” in Ep 8.

      • June 3, 2016 at 5:57 pm
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        ” the fight is very much ended by the broken terrain rather than her being victorious.”
        Have to dispute you there. Rey (literally) kicks Ren’s ass. She meditates (for too long), then beats the ever living shit out of him, ending the fight by literally kicking him to the ground. He’s done, she’s victorious. THEN the ground splits open and separates them.

        On the topic of Luke, again, in ANH his plan to rescue Leia goes tits up, with he and Han only making it out alive because she saves their asses, Luke necessitates the chasm swing because he shoots the bridge controls, and he only survives the DS attack because Biggs and Wedge are running interference for him, and Han and Chewie arrive just as Vader is about to destroy him.

        Rey is not so much any kind of feminist plot to take over SW as she is just a lazy piece of writing who is and does stuff because the plot needs her to, who, as she stands now, is a pretty boring character as a result.

      • June 4, 2016 at 11:56 am
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        I don’t care if Rey struggled against Kylo Ren if she was able to defeat him. That should not have happened. She was untrained in the Force and had never been confirmed to have used the lightsaber before.

        The fight was over before the earthquake happened. Rey won the wrestling contest, destroyed Kylo Ren’s lightsaber and put him on his ass with a slash to the face. He stood there in a daze while she looked all kinds of badass.

        The fight was over.

        Yes, Rey was captured, but let’s not forget that it also opened the door to her awakening, allowed her to defeat Kylo Ren at the mind read, free herself using the Jedi mind trick and put her on the course to defeating the main villain of the film with a lightsaber.

        No. Luke wasn’t a hero throughout ANH. He needed Obi-Wan to save him from the sand people and the Cantina bar aliens. He succeeded in freeing Leia from her cell, but he had no proper exit strategy, which motivated her to step in and get them into the garbage compactor. He needed Wedge and Han to save him during the attack on the Death Star.

        Unlike Rey, Luke was allowed to fail and have other characters look good saving him. Every time Rey needed saving, Finn was always there to look worse off by comparison.

        I’m not focusing on Rey in VIII. I’m focusing on her portrayal in TFA. She’s way too skilled and powerful. Finn was her polar opposite in terms of skills and competency. He was there to make her look even better than she already was.

  • June 3, 2016 at 12:28 am
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    She doesn’t have to be related to anyone and I really hope she isn’t of Skywalker, Solo descent. Why can’t she just be someone that has a s***ton of Force happening in them? No virgin birth garbage….just like Yoda, who probably had parents, was also a cesspool of Forciness. So is Rey, that’s all you need, and honestly the more fan-service garbage they use like she’s Obi-Wan Kenobi’s sisters grandchild the more you tarnish the story. Not everyone has to be related.

    • June 3, 2016 at 12:30 am
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      It’s not that a big deal. Who cares who Obi Wan parents are ? Who were Palpatine’s parents ? In Rebels there was a plot about Ezra’s parents and they were dead and everybody moved on.

    • June 4, 2016 at 7:01 am
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      Its true, she may not be related to anyone at all, but if thats the case, why anger fans with all this tease and mystery? Just come out and say she is a new character like they did with Snoke and Poe. We aren’t speculating on their parents. I won’t be mad at lucasfilm because she isn’t a skywalker or a fan-service characer. I will be mad that they fueled speculator with hints and teases just so we could have the “reveal” that she is someone we never heard of.

  • June 3, 2016 at 12:39 am
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    “Of all the Jedi in the history of the Star Wars universe, even the most powerful among them, how many of them were born to Jedi parents? The quick answer – none.”

    We don’t know the parents of many of the Jedi we see. This is conjecture.

    • June 3, 2016 at 12:40 am
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      Jedis have no families. Easy guess. You know, the jedi code and stuff nobody cares about.

      • June 3, 2016 at 1:28 am
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        I vaguely recall PT tie-in stuff that said Ki-Adi_Mundi had had many wives ??

        • June 3, 2016 at 1:55 am
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          Never heard of that.

        • June 3, 2016 at 2:09 am
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          I read a book that said that his two brains made it so that he was emotionally stable enough to have one wife, but that may not be canon anymore.

          • June 3, 2016 at 2:41 am
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            I thought it also said because his people’s population were dwindling.

        • June 3, 2016 at 2:51 am
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          Another reason it had to die

        • June 3, 2016 at 2:42 pm
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          This is true. But that is no longer canon.

      • June 3, 2016 at 2:51 am
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        Indeed.

      • June 3, 2016 at 4:33 am
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        in time of the republic you are right. but the code as vanished since the death of Yoda IMO.

        • June 3, 2016 at 4:52 am
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          So what define a jedi ? Having a lightsaber ? On what are you building a jedi academy if there are no rules ?

          • June 4, 2016 at 12:37 am
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            Being able to manipulate the force, primary, and not falling to the dark side

          • June 4, 2016 at 3:13 am
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            The dark side is about passion isn’t it ? Love is acceptance not passion. The feeling you got for a girl is passion, nothing to do with love. Having attachment leads to fear to lose the loving ones. Fear leads to the dark side, ever see the movies called Star Wars ? The fall of Anakin Skywalker ? This is what it was about. Letting go his attachment, living in the present and this is what the jedi code is about.

        • June 3, 2016 at 6:21 am
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          The code hadn’t vanished with the death of Yoda. Yoda didn’t found the religion; so the rules still remain. That’s like saying with the death of a Pope, there doesn’t have to be a Pope anymore.

          • June 3, 2016 at 8:49 am
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            Maybe seeing how well Luke did (being the son of a Jedi, and starting his training at a very unconventional age) was enough to convince Yoda that it’s time for the Jedi to evolve in their ways. When Yoda told Luke that the force was strong in his family and to pass on what he had learned I had always thought he meant for him to have children and pass on the strength the Skywalker bloodline offers the Jedi.

          • June 4, 2016 at 12:35 am
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            no man i am sorry, but religions and codes are established by men. When all mens knowing and applying these rules are dead, these rules no more exist. like NOOOOO say it just below, maybe Jedis have to change in their way of thinking their religion. it’s going into philosophical argument and i am tired righy now lol

          • June 4, 2016 at 9:30 am
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            Considering that it would be a major change, the religion should no be Jediism or whatever anymore. The religion has been changed to the point where it almost nothing like the original. By marrying, and/ or having children, a Jedi can feel passion, anger, rage. This is expressively forbidden. The Jedi code is centered around the light side. The light side requires one to feel little to none of these emotions.

    • June 3, 2016 at 2:41 pm
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      The code would have forbidden Jedi to procreate. Jedi younglings were plucked from normal families. That is not to say that the parents of any of the Jedi could not have been Jedi if their lives took a different path. But it is not conjecture to say that Jedi had no families of their own. It’s just how it was within the order. Of course, there’re always those who go against the grain, but aside from those rare couples like Revan and Bastila in the EU, the practice of two Jedi having children together was unheard of, especially in what is now considered canon.

  • June 3, 2016 at 12:45 am
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    I don’t know about this. It seems kinda rushed that in only 30 years Luke could find two Jedi, train them, and then they get married and have a child. Isn’t Rey supposed to be 19?

    • June 3, 2016 at 3:05 pm
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      But the article doesn’t mention “only two Jedi”. Luke created a new academy, and then two of his apprentices fell in love and had a daughter. It makes sense, but I don’t know how good it could be as a motivation.

  • June 3, 2016 at 1:30 am
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    The theory could make sense, but I don’t know. Why abandon her on Jakku? Maybe to hide her to Luke? According to the Jedi Code, a Jedi could not love someone else. So, they abandoned Rey just because of the fear to be thrown out from Luke’s Academy? It seems a little banal.

    • June 3, 2016 at 1:59 am
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      There is no Jedi code after the end of the Jedi Order

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        I like the idea of the new jedis partying all night and getting death sticks. There’s no more jedi code so who cares ? Maybe Luke had some slaves and he had a baby with one and get tired with this shit and left them on a planet to die. Of course, there is a jedi code. It’s timeless.

      • June 3, 2016 at 10:23 am
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        If Luke tried to recreate the Jedi Order, of course he restored the Jedi Code. The first reason two Jedis would abandon their daughter, could actually be the fear to be thrown out from the Academy. To suppose other things, we have to get more informartion.

  • June 3, 2016 at 1:30 am
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    I think they cherry pick from EU and she is Ben Solo’s sister…daughter of Han and Leia , thats why she is so familiar with the Falcon and has this copilot job offer from Han

    • June 3, 2016 at 1:56 am
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      Han wants to put her on an escape pod. Nice dad.

    • June 3, 2016 at 2:02 am
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      She’s familiar with the Falcon because she has been working for its owner most of her life. Han offers her the copilot job because she is familiar with and “appreciates the Falcon,” to quote Han.

    • June 3, 2016 at 2:51 am
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      I think the writers had no clue about the EU, so no.

      • June 3, 2016 at 5:35 pm
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        I know George Lucas did not write Ep. VII, but he said his idea of what happened after ROTJ is nothing like how the EU played out. However, he was convinced to at least read briefs about the characters Jacen and Jaina. (Those two are what made the EU so entertaining, at least to me. There are tons of other great parts of the EU but to me they are the foundation of it.) And if George was asked to at least consider their characters, I’m guessing its because he had an idea similar or its something the writers of this trilogy were semi-following. And I’m thinking if GL was asked to consider them, the subsequent writers of Ep. VII – IX would be asked as well.

        So I agree, I don’t think they really took the EU into consideration, but its hard to say that they ignored it completely.

        • June 4, 2016 at 12:21 am
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          “However, he was convinced to at least read briefs about the characters Jacen and Jaina.”

          Where did you hear this?
          Pablo Hidalgo said JJ and Kasdan have no idea who Jacen is. So I would say they ignored it.

          • June 4, 2016 at 7:35 am
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            It was in an article on this site. Pretty sure. I’ll try to find it. I honestly can’t remember but am 95% sure I didn’t make it up… Can anyone back me up here??

          • June 4, 2016 at 4:25 pm
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            Regardless, the actual writers of TFA didn’t even know who Jacen was.

        • June 4, 2016 at 6:54 am
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          agreed! Also, in that joking bit at the end of JJ’s Q&A video, George asked what happens to Darth Vader’s Grandchildren. Plural. As you mentioned he didn’t write episode 7 but I feel like the creator of star wars would at least be a little in-the-know even if they didn’t use his ideas.

    • June 3, 2016 at 6:18 am
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      That’s stupid. Do you honestly believe that Leia would cheat on Han, or Han on Leia? If Rey was either of their children, they would have told her.

    • June 3, 2016 at 10:29 am
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      This doesn’t make any sense. Han would have recognised her, and if not, he probably would have remembered that, “a long time ago”, he forgot a daughter on the same system where he discovers the Falcon.

    • June 3, 2016 at 4:02 pm
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      I’ve had this same idea. Look closer at a lot of Han’s reactions when talking to Rey. For me, it’s the one where he asks her name, almost looking nervous for her response, and when she says “Rey” he beams like a proud parent. Maybe coincidence or maybe I’m just trying to see that, or maybe not.

      My thoughts are that if they are brother and sister, they were separated a la Luke/Leia style. Ben Solo is 10 years older than Rey, is it possible while Ben was training with Luke that Han & Leia had another child that they did not tell Ben about? Did they have concerns about training their children as Jedi, and their fall to the dark? Did they decide to hedge their bets and keep one isolated from the Force, and the temptation of the dark side?

      While it may be a stretch, I do think its possible. A pretty hard and cold thing for Han & Leia to do, leaving their kid in isolation, but they’ve always made the hard choices and put duty above their own interests and if they thought it was their duty to protect Rey from either herself or others, I believe they would do it.

      • June 3, 2016 at 4:20 pm
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        Leia would have no reason I can think of to abandon her daughter on Jakku with Unkar Plutt. Besides, Leia and Han don’t know Rey or remember her, so, unless their memories were somehow wiped, they can’t be their parents. I agree though that Rey and Kylo seem to share a connection when they are together.

        • June 3, 2016 at 5:02 pm
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          I think there are plenty of reasons, as mentioned above. I wouldn’t use the word “abandon” so much as I would say “safeguard”… If I was one of the most influential / public faces in the galaxy, I wouldn’t want anyone knowing I had children. Ben had always been with Luke, so Leia had nothing to worry about. Except, obviously, what ended up happening. With Rey in a hidden corner of the galaxy there are less threats for her to encounter than if she was at her mother or father’s side.

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            But couldn’t they have “safeguarded” her on a planet that wasn’t a wasteland with someone more trustworthy than a thug junkboss?

            Its still possible you are right- but there has to be more to the story than just hiding her to keep her secret.

          • June 4, 2016 at 7:30 am
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            That makes sense. There are plenty of places to hide/protect someone in a galaxy, so if that’s what is happening there has to be a reason for her being on Jakku and not some palatial-safehouse-castle type thing. Haha.

            I guess I’m more convinced that Han & Leia know Rey’s story of her parents rather than being her actual parents. Either way, I can’t at this point envision her as a non-family member / no family ties. Even if she’s not related I want her to at least have history with the Skywalkers.

      • June 3, 2016 at 4:26 pm
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        I just posted this theory above literally just a few minutes before you did.

        You say it’s cold and hard of Leia and Han, but both were leading separate lives by the time she was abandoned (subject to what Bloodline says). Han’s life was decidedly dangerous and Leia, operating a position of power in the Republic, may have been concerned about negative influences impacting the children so, as we have both suggested, treated Rey as an insurance policy against her elder child turning out like Vader by sending her to a remote location.

        • June 3, 2016 at 4:58 pm
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          Great minds think alike! There are other things, like the Falcon being on Jakku. I know that was explained by this guy stealing it from this guy stealing it from that guy, blah blah.. its a good cover story. And the second Rey leaves the planet, Han is there to assist. May or may not be coincidence. I always made the parallel of Obi-Wan in Ep. IV being what Han Solo is in Ep. VII… and there are a lot of instances, if you start connecting the dots. Han may have went back to smuggling, but he was still keeping tabs on his daughter. IMHO

          • June 3, 2016 at 5:15 pm
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            Yeah. Both the Falcon and Han’s freighter showing up are awfully convenient. Plus:-

            1) Han has been screwed over many times, yet he’s prepared to give a job to a girl we are to believe is a complete stranger to him and also arm her with weapons.

            2) Leia consoling Rey over Chewie at the end of the movie

            3) Han’s willingness to tell Rey about Luke and the Jedi

            4) Kylo can sense her and read her mind almost as if he’s family (ok, this one’s a bit weak, but still).

            5) Her familiarity with the inside of the Falcon

            6) Han taking her to Maz. Surely Han knew in advance that Maz had Luke’s lightsaber, which in turn means that Han must know that Rey is strong in the force. How could he if he doesn’t know her?

            In contrast, there are very few, if any, clues to her being Luke’s daughter.

          • June 4, 2016 at 6:47 am
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            I don’t quite see those puzzle peices fitting together though.

            1.) Han so how good she was in a fight and how she helped chewie so he offered her a job. He also offered luke a job (at the time a complete stranger) after the events of episode IV, saying he was good in a fight.

            2.) JJ abrams has said that he wanted chewie to focus on saving Finn and that it was an oversight of his that leia consoles rey over chewie.

            3.) Agreed here, but it could just be Han venting.

            4.) Kylo can also read Poe Dameron’s mind

            5.) She is familiar with the falcon because it “belongs” to Unkar Plutt and has been sitting on Jakku most of her life

            6.) Han took her to see Maz in hopes of offloading her onto another “clean” ship and not having to face leia. The lightsaber was a coincidence. Han even asks where is the world she got it when she takes it out.

            I’d say at this point the clues are scarce that she is a skywalker or a solo, despite me wanting her to be.

  • June 3, 2016 at 1:43 am
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    Has anyone considered the possibility that Rey was actually a Padawan herself before being dumped on the planet at such a young age? This could explain why she has some ‘force powers’ already. But for some reason, through some circumstance she has been separated from her parents and the other training Jedi and sold into slavery so to speak.

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      Yes.

    • June 3, 2016 at 10:20 am
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      It’s the first thing I thought after the Jedi mind-trick scene.

  • June 3, 2016 at 2:11 am
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    I’m going to throw out a crazy theory which will probably be laughed by all here, including myself sometimes.

    What if Rey is the force? With the force always comes the darkside and its a never ending cycle of good vs bad.

    What if the force needs to be destroyed, via Rey, to end this destructive conflict? If Rey were to sacrifice herself that would essentially end the force and will end any chance of future Palpatine’s, Darth Maul’s, and now Kylo Ren.

    Maybe Rey’s parents knew this and dropped her off on Jakku so she would never be exposed to the force which will eventually lead to her death to save the galaxy.

    Just like Ripley in Alien 3 or Arnold in T2, the final image is Rey jumping to her death. How about that for a 9 movie Saga arc?

    • June 3, 2016 at 4:10 am
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      So, like reverse-Jesus? When she dies, her religion dies with her?

      I think it’s a safe bet that Lucasfilm have no plans of extincting SW’s primary faction.

    • June 3, 2016 at 6:15 am
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      That’s utterly ridiculous. Considering that there is a force aspect that is partially made out of dead life, and another aspect generated by life. The only way to defeat the force would be to eliminate life and death. In other words, you would have to wipe out everything in existence. Atoms, energy, everything!

    • June 3, 2016 at 2:13 pm
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      I have had similar thoughts. Rey and Kylo are the “children of the force” we learn about in the Clone Wars – one light, one dark. Luke will be their father-figure that will keep them in balance. All three must find a way to coexist in order for that balance to be maintained.

    • June 3, 2016 at 4:20 pm
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      If she’s the force that means she’d have to be in existence before her birth. If she’s just a midi-chlorian influenced manifestation of the force, explaining why the force existed prior to her, then it means the force can continue after her demise.

      So I’m afraid I don’t see your theory as workable in the overall canon.

    • June 4, 2016 at 6:35 am
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      I like the imagery, and I do hope episode 9 brings a “resolution” to the entire skywalker saga, but I don’t think they would go that route to destroy the force.

  • June 3, 2016 at 2:13 am
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    I like this theory because it’s a rather simplistic one and doesn’t have a dictionary of information to support it. I think the easiest explanation of Rey’s lineage is that she’s an offspring of luke, but in this canon luke seems pretty set on being a true Jedi. You can’t tell me that force ghost Yoda or Obi wouldn’t pop up one day and tell him how he shouldn’t be fooling around, especially when he’s trying to train a new generation of Jedi.

    I think for the sake of mainstream Star Wars fans though, one of her parents almost is forced to be in a movie somewhere. Introducing two new force-wielding parents around the post-empire era might be too much for audiences to wrap their heads around instead of just “It was Luke!”

    • June 5, 2016 at 3:08 pm
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      This is why I question Rey being Luke’s daughter. The Jedi code says they must remove external distractions and not be married. I see Luke as taking the code very seriously knowing how his father turned to darkside.

      With that said there’s a possibility one of his Jedi’s in his academy had a child. Since Jedi are only allowed to train one padawan at a time, Luke would have had to had other Jedis in his academy helping.

  • June 3, 2016 at 4:06 am
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    I think she’s Luke’s daughter. I think she was presumed dead by Luke for whatever reason and hidden from him. Maybe Snoke led the Knights of Ren against Luke and got whipped but “killed” his wife and daughter in the process. Since Snoke couldn’t do it himself he seuduced Ben to the dark side. Kylo had an idea who she is right from first time he heard a girl was involved. In the novel he even says “it is you” when she used the force to call for the lightsaber. Who knows but at this point it will be a letdown if she’s just some random scavenger.

    • June 3, 2016 at 4:29 pm
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      I believe “it’s you” in the novel is supposed to mean Kylo realizes Rey was the “awakening” he felt.

  • June 3, 2016 at 4:08 am
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    Yup, this theory makes the most sense. It’s pretty much the same as I had suspected a few months ago, (child of Luke’s former students, I mean), however my thoughts were more trivial Hard Case’s case has a firm foundation and in-canon logic to back it up.

    The only question is whether two Jedis produce a Jedi kid? Is it Wizard rules or dwarfism rules? I’ve heard of plenty of little people that went on to have regular-sized kids. For all we know, Jedis are the same way? Like in the movie “Sky High” where one superhero parent will make a super-powered kid, but two super-parents tend to produce non-powered kids, maybe the same paradox lie with the force-genealogy? Then again, maybe not, Sky High was a stupid film after all.

  • June 3, 2016 at 4:43 am
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    I think that the whole forceback scene is purposely ambiguous. It is the place where the filmmakers obfuscated the plot the most, and Rey’s origin. Here is just some food for thought:

    1) Are the events in the forceback chronological? There seem to be a lot of assumptions about the timeline based on the forceback, but no one knows for sure how it was pieced together.

    2) The “massacre.” Are we sure that the Kylo Ren we see is actually Ben Solo? Isn’t the name a title for the Master of the Knights of Ren? Maybe it is someone else that Ben inherits the title from. (Dread Pirate Roberts style). Is it possibly Snoke? May explain why Snoke is so messed up. Luke fought him and maimed him.

    3) Do we know that the little girl crying is the exact moment of abandonment for Rey? Is it possible this was a painful separation, but not when she was left on her own?

    4) Was Rey brought to Jakku? Or did she always live there? Where was Luke training Jedi? Did we ever find that out? Maybe Rey is crying because she wants to go with Ben and Luke, but is left behind because it is too dangerous. Maybe Ben betrayed Luke on this mission, and Luke never came back (or couldn’t for some reason).

    5) I totally appreciate Rey as a brand new, non-related character. I personally like her as Luke’s daughter, but I won’t be crushed if she’s not. So I guess this is the big question for me? Why have all this imagery that connects her to Luke and Anakin? Seems like an elaborate set of red herrings with no real payoff. If they’re red herrings, then what is the real trail of breadcrumbs? If it’s a well-written twist, im hindsight we should be able to see the clues staring is in the face.

    I have so many more thoughts about the ambiguity in the film. It is a brilliant marketing technique. It gets people talking!

    • June 3, 2016 at 6:38 am
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      4), as I know timeline of Bloodline makes that not possible.
      As many people I though Ben Solo went dark as a young teen, and there was a whole theory of him leaving Rey on Jakku instead of killing her.
      But the new book seems to make clear that 24 years old Ben Solo is still with Luke. So Ben Solo went dark less than 5 years ago, Rey was supposed to be left in Jakkuaround 15 years ago…

      • June 3, 2016 at 7:14 am
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        Interesting! I just started Bloodline.

        Trying to think about a plausible reason for Rey to be abandoned, especially by Luke, who has been characterized as an extremely upstanding, moral person in the last.

        Unless he doesn’t know that he has a kid…

        • June 3, 2016 at 7:45 am
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          True, I don´t know why I think everyone supposed that Luke was long time (more than one decade) disappeared, and Ben became Kylo many years ago when he was still a teenager.

          What I have learned is that many times the streams of these threads are far of what is going to happen… most people in the threads made Ben passing to the dark very young as a fact!
          Same about Rey being Luke daughter, obviously it could be, but I think writers cannot make it so clear… because it would not be a surprise. May be, they made it clear to twist it later.

    • June 3, 2016 at 3:53 pm
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      Rey was abandoned on Jakku when she was about 5, Ben turned to the dark side when he was 23, meaning Rey, who is 10 years younger than Ben, was already about 13 at that time and had been living on Jakku for almost 8 years.

      If I had a choice, I would make Rey the offspring of Ezra Bridger (who is about the same age as Luke), but I know that is not likely to be the case.

    • June 3, 2016 at 7:02 pm
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      Kylo Ren = Revan and his successors? Maybe?

    • June 3, 2016 at 8:28 pm
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      A lot of questions…

    • June 4, 2016 at 6:31 am
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      5.) My thoughts exactly. I won’t mind if she isn’t luke’s daughter, but if she is someone totally new, then this whole mystery setup is going to have some backlash from disapointed fans.
      They were smart to point out that snoke is NOT plageius, and that he is a new character, so fans can get invested in the character, rather than speculate who he really is.
      It would just seem so odd for her to inherit luke’s saber, have memories of luke’s hidden island when she dreams, have Maz and everyone inquiring her lineage and then she has a force vision of lukes duel in empire, as well as being strong in the force herself, with all of it leading to … nothing … she is just a new hero we have never heard of.

      I’m running out of theories at this point.

  • June 3, 2016 at 5:28 am
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    A while back, another member (sorry, can’t recall who it was) suggested Rey is a clone created from the dna from Luke’s severed hand.

    I liked that theory the most.

    • June 3, 2016 at 6:56 am
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      OF COURSE!! it was the RIGHT hand isn’t?

    • June 3, 2016 at 12:31 pm
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      Well, if you change the gender is not exactly the Clone… from the hand they could make an almost female clone or even a daughter if they use more parts of the mother DNA.
      It is SciFi they can do anything.

      • June 3, 2016 at 4:21 pm
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        Right. Not an exact clone, but ‘of the cloning process’ with Luke’s dna serving as the starting point.

        • June 3, 2016 at 7:46 pm
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          They could have inserted some ewok dna too, just to make her more fluffy 🙂

      • June 3, 2016 at 6:59 pm
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        You can make a woman out of a man’s DNA but not a man out of a woman’s. A man has an X and Y chromosome, but a woman has two Xs. So take out the Y, double the X and you’ve got female Luke.

        • June 3, 2016 at 7:44 pm
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          XXY, XYY (that would be Super Luke), epigenetics…
          so Rey is going to grow beard sooner or later?

        • June 3, 2016 at 8:25 pm
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          thx for the reminder. i am out of biology class since… oh whatever.

    • June 3, 2016 at 3:39 pm
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      Don’t forget that there was an article about the original opening scene that got cut due to it being leaked early. It might have been Hamill himself that described it? Can’t fully remember who, but it went something like this:

      “A hand gripping a lightsaber, floating through space, that then begins to burn as it enters atmosphere and we see it plunge into the sands of Jakku.”

    • June 3, 2016 at 4:05 pm
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      If she’s a clone, what is she not a copy of Luke?

      • June 3, 2016 at 4:12 pm
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        I wouldn’t say clone, but of the same DNA. Essentially a daughter in theory, but not born of a mother and father. Created rather by some kind of process similar to cloning.

        Perhaps this would also give them a new answer as to Anakin’s existence, instead of the “Virgin-Mary-born-of-the-force” explanation.

  • June 3, 2016 at 5:57 am
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    I believe trailer 2 with Luke’s voice over talking about the force being strong in his family points to the very fact that Rey is of Skywlaker lineage. Not to mention it has been said time and time again that the trilogies follow the Skywalker family story.

    • June 3, 2016 at 6:31 am
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      I cannot remember if in the trailer we knew about Ben Solo, but that quote of TROTJ could be about Ben Solo:
      “The force is strong in my family, my father has/had it, I have it, my sister has it…” …her son (you) has it.

      • June 3, 2016 at 10:30 am
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        While possible I truly hope not as Ben Solo/Kylo Ren isn’t a very strong character in the franchise at the moment.

        • June 3, 2016 at 11:01 am
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          Why not?
          They need a villain.

          • June 3, 2016 at 9:30 pm
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            It seems at odds because if focus is suppose to be on the Skywalkers then currently its not as its on Rey. If the continuation is only going to have Ben/Kylo as a Skywalker, then currently he’s not a strong character IMO and the focus will need to shift from Rey.

          • June 4, 2016 at 7:15 am
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            If in your opinion, he is in not a strong character, they have made many efforts to make him protagonist.
            And there are many facts we don´t know.
            Luke or Kylo can have offspring and we don´t know them yet or they still can have it in the future.

            So, if “Skywalkers” are essential for a 4th trilogy, there are different solutions, the writers will pick one.

          • June 4, 2016 at 10:38 am
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            I think its on record now that the main Saga episodes follow the Skywalker story, so yes while there are different avenues the writers can pick, it would be at odds if the main character in TFA (that of Rey), wasn’t a Skywalker IMO.

          • June 4, 2016 at 12:24 pm
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            Well, you are totally right in that, mostly because the PT developed, it would be weird if she wasn´t a Skywalker. But she could be a Kenobi or anything else that could please us.
            It is not easy clearly, but bringing kenobis back to the saga could be seen nicely from many people. Luke training a Kenobi!
            Parents don´t train sibblings in SW.
            The trunk joining all SW movies is Skywalkers, but there are other branches people love, Solo, Kenobi, Palpatine, Calrissian…

            Look the opposite point of view:
            Luke, Leia, Kylo, Rey, all Skywalkers, so which MAIN characters are left?
            They should work then so much on Finn, Snoke, Hux, Poe… to not make them movies only about Skywalkers.

          • June 4, 2016 at 2:20 pm
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            If Luke takes a major role in the next 2 episode movies and she is a Kenobi I would be fine with that. However, he really does need to be centre stage with the new young stars. Which might be their overall strategy, as Han was a major role in the last, it would of been too much to have Luke and Han in one movie.

            Then it might be a good story arc to have the Skywalker line finally ended by a descendant of Kenobi.

          • June 4, 2016 at 3:03 pm
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            Well, I want them to surprise me, plot twist, thrill!

            About the new characters, Poe for example, had an indispensable role in TFA (he was partly the Luke of ANH), but not that same weight in the movie.

      • June 3, 2016 at 1:14 pm
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        This is true. He could of been saying this about Ben Solo back when he first started training him. So it is either Ben or Rey. Since Rey is the hero of this trilogy, I am putting my money on her, unless, it was smoke and mirrors by Kathleen Kennedy and JJ.

        • June 3, 2016 at 3:50 pm
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          Yeah, that s what makes people suspect, all clues are so evident that she could be Luke daughter that it would not be a surprise at all… and movies are about surprising, plot twists, thrill…

          Well, they did their job having us talking about it here 🙂

      • June 3, 2016 at 8:22 pm
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        i ve seen the first trailer in french version and we have two “you”, the you for one person (tu) and the “you” for two or more persons (vous). in the trailer when luke says “You have that power too, its translated by “Vous avez ce pouvoir vous aussi”. However french use “vous” as a polite “you” for a single person. i don’t see Luke using polite formula to speak to his descendants. So i think he’s speaking to 2 people, but who ??? maybe this phrase was just for teasing. i hope not. And remember it was JJ driving the TFA wagoon. Tchoo tchoo !!

        • June 4, 2016 at 7:10 am
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          How was the original sentence of ROTJ in french?
          How did he talked to Leia? “Tu” or “Vous”?

        • June 4, 2016 at 8:13 pm
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          Good point about language choices.

          Anybody else hear it in other languages to compare singular vs. non-singular? Vernacular vs. formal?

        • June 5, 2016 at 2:56 pm
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          Isn’t the I have the force line Luke says in trailer from Jedi when he’s telling Leia that they are bro and sis before he goes and turns himself into Vader?

    • June 3, 2016 at 4:04 pm
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      Agreed, albeit just to be a pedant he says “you have that power too” rather than “my daughter has that power too”.

  • June 3, 2016 at 6:14 am
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    Couldn’t Luke have had a relationship that ended without either him or her knowing the love interest was pregnant? Later she realizes, obviously, and for reasons that are not clear the mom has to abandon her some years later. Luke may only realize this much later when he has essentially exiled himself. Anakin was somehow unaware of Luke and Leia. Maybe it happened to Luke as well.

  • June 3, 2016 at 6:49 am
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    I see Rey as a R3V3RS3 of Anakin story.
    Male – Female.
    “Rescued” from scavenger slavery in a desert – Left in a desert for scavenger slavery.
    I ignore the meaning, if there is any. But it cannot be a coincidence.

    If as it seems, Plagueis created Anakin, probably Jedis (Luke, Yoda and Kenobi ghosts) could see taking him from Tatooine as the mistake that finished with the Jedi Order… as he always belonged to the dark.

  • June 3, 2016 at 7:56 am
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    If Rey is not of the Skywalker line then it’s going to be one of the least satisfying reveals in movie history.

    • June 3, 2016 at 12:26 pm
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      And if she is… there will be no surprise, because they have made it so expectable and clear.
      People would ask, so why you didn´t reveal it in EP. VII?

  • June 3, 2016 at 8:28 am
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    I see that people tend to forget one thing about the final duel: Kylo had just been shot by chewie’s bowcaster, a weapon that previously made jump in mid-air its victims. That’s somewhat relevant in explaining how Rey defeated Kylo…

    • June 3, 2016 at 9:15 am
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      AND he was under orders from Snoke to “bring her to me” so wasn’t supposed to kill her.

      • June 3, 2016 at 10:49 am
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        Vader was under orders from the Emperor to bring Luke to him in V. Did Vader get his ass kicked by going easy on him during their fight?

        • June 3, 2016 at 5:00 pm
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          Was Vader bleeding out from being gunshot with a bowcaster?

          • June 4, 2016 at 11:17 am
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            1. That bowcaster blast should’ve knocked Kylo Ren off the bridge. Otherwise, it’s inconsistent.

            2. How did Kylo Ren’s injury affect his ability to fight with a lightsaber? Was he limping around during the fight? Did he have trouble swinging his Jedi weapon? Was he out of breath?

          • June 4, 2016 at 11:25 am
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            If you pay attention to the whole scene, every move made by Kylo is slow, and followed by a pause. Right before doing that awesome spin in front of Finn (awesome, but slow, and very heavy) he punched his chest, moved backward, and then spinned the lightsaber in that way. He never did a complete choreography without stopping himself and have some kind of pause.

            Watch this fight, and then watch Obi-Wan vs Anakin in Ep.3. You will notice the difference. Abrams considered Kylo’s bowcaster wound in the fight as well as the fight itself is slow, labored and imperfect in terms of choreography.

          • June 5, 2016 at 10:45 am
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            Jedi in the PT fought fast, so it’s not fair to compare their speed to the OT or TFA’s fight in order to conclude that Kylo Ren moved slowly because he was injured. I remember Abrams saying he wanted TFA’s lightsaber fight to more closely resemble the OT in that they were generally slower with heavy lightsaber swings.

            Moving slower doesn’t automatically mean you’re injured. Again, Kylo Ren was severely injured. However, he never limped around, swung his lightsaber as if he was in any pain, breathed heavily like he was exhausted or anything to demonstrate how his injury affected his ability to fight. He fought as if he wasn’t injured until the very end when the film wanted to wrap things up.

            Kylo should’ve been knocked off the bridge if Chewie’s bowcaster was as strong as they had made it earlier in the film. What are your thoughts on that?

          • June 7, 2016 at 1:33 pm
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            Chewie did only a scratch to Kylo’s hip. Kylo’s not been hit frontally.

            I think you should watch movies in a much more relaxed way 🙂

          • June 7, 2016 at 10:07 pm
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            How do you scratch someone’s hip with a direct hit from a weapon that blasts stormtroopers into walls and tosses them up into the air like rag dolls?

          • June 8, 2016 at 3:39 pm
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            No. It was a direct hit. Notice how the blast ends at Kylo Ren’s hip instead of traveling past his body. He was hit directly, but he wasn’t knocked off the bridge or anything.

            Chewie’s bowcaster was inconsistent in this film. IMO, Kylo should’ve died on the spot. He didn’t even see it coming.

          • June 7, 2016 at 9:50 pm
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            What if Chewie didn’t want to kill Ben, I mean he is Han and Leia’s Son. Chewie would have been around Ben as a child until he left with Luke. He purposely didn’t shot to kill.

          • June 7, 2016 at 10:05 pm
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            If Chewie didn’t want to kill Ben, then he should not have shot him with the bowcaster… while he was on a bridge. -_-

            SMH ;B

      • June 3, 2016 at 2:02 pm
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        He wanted to capture her alive, not to the point of letting himself killed by her, he didn’t look that desperate to please Snoke.

        • June 3, 2016 at 4:56 pm
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          Oh of course. I don’t think he’s even on the same precise agenda as Snoke.

      • June 3, 2016 at 8:13 pm
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        right! See, I forgot about that one!

    • June 3, 2016 at 10:47 am
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      Chewie’s bowcaster was inconsistent in this film. We saw how powerful it was when it blasted stormtroopers up into the air, but it had no such impact on Kylo Ren, even though he didn’t see it coming. It should’ve knocked him clear off the bridge.

      Even though Kylo Ren had been severely injured, he was able to catch up to Rey and Finn. He also fought them both without showing any signs of weakness. No limping, no sluggish movements, nothing. Kylo Ren had no problem swinging his lightsaber or even chasing Rey. He only moved about like a drunk near the end when the script called for it.

      Chewie’s weapon was used to justify Rey’s victory, but it still felt cheap. She didn’t earn her badassery. If anything, Rey should’ve barely survived the fight before the earthquake separated them. That way she gets props for surviving while Kylo Ren remains respected as a villain. This also builds up anticipation for the rematch.

      • June 3, 2016 at 12:10 pm
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        Great point – people point out “oh Kylo was shot, of course he couldn’t fight well” – but he did manage to quickly overtake the uninjured Rey and Finn.

        I would have settled for a draw / a lucky Rey escape, but for her to dominate Kylo to the point where she really could/should have killed him was a bit much in my opinion.

      • June 3, 2016 at 2:54 pm
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        If they go after old lore in the Jedi Knight games, a bow caster could charge to make more powerfull shots, but quick shots would be equivalent to a normal blaster. If that is the case its actually not that inconsistent and makes good sense.

        But I agree the transition from not knowing how powerful she was too wielding the force like a pro was pretty quick and sort of boring

        • June 4, 2016 at 12:02 pm
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          If that’s the case with the bowcaster, then they should’ve mentioned or demonstrated that in the film. Otherwise, it comes across as inconsistent, especially when the film goes out of its way to show us how powerful it is.

          I never saw Han charge it up.

      • June 3, 2016 at 8:13 pm
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        Really? That expression he had during the whole duel wich he didn’t have when he was earlier unmasked in the mvoie looked really a painful expression… About chewie’s bowcaster not killing Kylo… he got hit in the side, not with a direct impact.

        • June 4, 2016 at 10:50 am
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          I don’t care what expression Kylo Ren had on his face or that he occasionally pounded on his side when he wasn’t fighting. I want to see HOW his injury affected his ability to fight. I saw nothing. No limping around, no sluggish swings of his lightsaber, no stumbling about, etc. He had no problem dealing with Finn, and he even chased Rey around. Kylo only moved about like a drunk when the script wanted to end the fight.

          Chewie’s blast made direct contact with Kylo Ren. That’s even worse than the blast that hit the ground and blew away the nearby stormtroopers. No way in hell Kylo Ren should’ve remained on that bridge. Inconsistent weapon.

          • June 4, 2016 at 3:56 pm
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            You’re kinda blind, because It was quite evident throughout the duel that he’s not on top of his abilities…

          • June 5, 2016 at 10:32 am
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            Anyone can call somebody blind. That doesn’t mean anything. Kylo Ren did not fight like he was injured until the very end. No limping or anything. Someone not at the top of their abilities would not be able to chase someone around while swinging their lightsaber.

    • June 7, 2016 at 2:19 am
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      One thing no one seems to bring up in the final fight… Was Kylo Ren even trying to kill Rey? His initial intention was to bring her back to Snoke… After he kills Han Solo, nothing has strategically changed for him. He needs Rey alive to find Luke Skywalker. Vader failed in bringing Luke alive to the Emperor the first time he tried. Ren is much less experienced than Vader is, Rey is less experienced than Luke was in Empire. The analogy seems to hold — it’s very difficult to capture a talented, plucky, force sensitive fighter. You can’t just kill them straight out, so you’re at a strategic disadvantage the whole fight… you can’t just agressively dispatch them and call it a day.

  • June 3, 2016 at 3:59 pm
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    Rey’s parentage frustrates me a little. On the one hand if she’s not a Skywalker then it’s underwhelming in terms of the continuation of the family legacy. If she is then it’s equally underwhelming from the point of view of predictability. Given that they will no doubt try and go for an “I am your father” moment in the next movie and given that such a moment will almost certainly be connected to Rey, I have been trying to come up with an idea that would be a surprise, but still allow for her to be a Skywalker. I’ve caveat the thoeries below on the fact that I have yet to read Bloodline or the other new EU stuff.

    So how about that she is actually Kylo Ren’s younger brother? That through TFA Han and Leia knew all along who she was, or at least suspected. That she was born after infant Kylo was sent to Luke. That she was placed on Jakku to provide an insurance policy against Ben Solo if the latter fell to the Dark Side? Not only would that be less predictable than Luke being the father, but it would allow an additional symmetry between the OT and new movies with the “new hope” being sent into hiding for a reason.

    How about an even wilder theory? What if Snoke is her father? What if Snoke is also Anakin’s father? That Shmi Skywalker’s pregnancy was either somehow influenced by Snoke (no, I’m not saying he’s Darth Plagueis) or she simply lied about the virgin birth? We don’t know how old Snoke is. What if Rey is Vader’s sister, albeit born many years after his death? Bonkers theory, I know. But it would certainly offer an “I am your father” moment.

    Just a couple of ideas….

    • June 3, 2016 at 4:14 pm
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      I don’t see Snoke being Rey’s father as he seems to be completelely unaware of her. There is a far-fetched theory that Rey may descend from Palpatine, which would be interesting, but Palpatine is not known to have had any children or grandchildren. Rey and Ben being siblings would still be the best plot solution going forward as far as the overall trilogy is concerned, but TFA seems to have dismissed that possibility barring any unexpected and rather contrived plot twist.

      • June 3, 2016 at 4:28 pm
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        “I don’t see Snoke being Rey’s father as he seems to be completelely unaware of her.”

        True, but then Vader was unaware of Leia and seems pretty unaware of Luke in New Hope!

        It’s the less confident of my theories.

        • June 3, 2016 at 4:43 pm
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          It is different. Vader thought his wife had died before giving birth and had no other children after that. The moment he met Luke, he sensed he might be his son though. The reason why he didn’t sense anything about Leia, despite having met her probably several times before, is probably just a result of Leia not being originally supposed to be Luke’s sister when ANH or ESB were written.

          • June 3, 2016 at 5:22 pm
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            If Vader didn’t know he had a son in ANH, how does he know he has one by the time of Empire? You’re simply saying he guessed it. Well, that’s hardly concrete is it?

            As for Leia, the off camera reasons he didn’t sense her are obvious. But it’s canon now that he didn’t sense her in universe, and what’s canon is all part of what influences these latest movies. So it contradicts your suggestion that he made an accurate guess over Luke. Clearly if he got Leia wrong, he could’ve got Luke wrong, but by Empire he is certain.

            All I’m saying is that there is precedent for the parent to be unaware. That said, we’re only one movie in. How do we know that Snoke is genuinely unaware? He could be manipulating Kylo and just flat out lying. If Obi-Wan and Palpatine can lie, I’m sure Snoke can.

            All this said, if I have to put money on it it’s not the one of my two theories I’d go for.

          • June 3, 2016 at 5:36 pm
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            In the 3 years between ANH and ESB, Vader searched for Luke and gathered information about his past until figuring out who the boy was. That is well documented in old EU (Legacy) and, now, in the new canon.

      • June 3, 2016 at 4:59 pm
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        Would it be the best solution, though? We’ve already seen that with Luke and Leia.

        • June 3, 2016 at 5:37 pm
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          Yes, but imagine a scenario where Luke and Leia are enemies… aka, Ben and Rey.

    • June 3, 2016 at 8:57 pm
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      Kylo and Rey cannot be brother and sister. If you read Bloodlines, Leia has so much care and love for Ben that it’s unbelievable that she wouldn’t feel the same way about her daughter, let alone the fact that they would leave her on a desert planet to live out an awful existence of scavenging.

      • June 3, 2016 at 11:04 pm
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        You’re assuming they made the choice to leave her there. What if Luke insisted? What if Leia does love her that much but still did what she thought best for not just herself or Rey but for the galaxy? I don’t think it’s a given that just because an EU book says they loved their son then the rest is impossible. Their son is Vader’s grandson, and will be strong in the force by default. There was always a risk he would turn and if he did turn there is a risk he would be as powerful and dangerous as Vader. I don’t think your argument negates that possibility at all.

        • June 4, 2016 at 5:30 pm
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          So by that logic, I should abandon my son in a another country due to the fact that my wife is half German and I’m afraid that he grow up and become Hitler?

          That makes no sense. Then why have children to begin with if you’re that afraid of them turning evil? Han and Leia left their son in the hands of Luke, but they wouldn’t do the same thing with their daughter?

          • June 4, 2016 at 8:01 pm
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            “So by that logic, I should abandon my son in a another country due to
            the fact that my wife is half German and I’m afraid that he grow up and
            become Hitler?”

            You know Star Wars isn’t real life, right? SMH

          • June 4, 2016 at 9:18 pm
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            What? Are you serious? It’s not REAL?

            Yes it’s a space opera but people make real human decisions. No rational person just abandons one child and keeps another because they are afraid one will be evil. Use your head, please.

          • June 4, 2016 at 11:59 pm
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            Riiiiiiiiighhhht.

          • June 5, 2016 at 8:45 pm
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            Sorry =(

  • June 3, 2016 at 4:58 pm
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    Kathy Kennedy already said the “main” movies will focus on Skywalkers. I don’t think she meant Ben Solo. I personally like and think the choosen one reincarnation fits with Lucas ideas and is the “weirdness” Kasdan was referring to when he talked about Johnson’s script.

    However, I do like the idea of Rey’s parents going out and disappearing because it presents a mystery for Rey to solve – what happened to her parents? What did they get themselves into. But I don’t see why anyone – let along her parents – would leave her with, of all people, Unkar Plutt?

    The only way I see her being dumped with Unkar Plutt is if it was supposed to be for like a few days or if she was born to someone not necessarily very compassionate who couldn’t understand what she was (strong Force user) and just dumped her.

    But the idea of her being “the chosen one” ties nicely into themes lingering from the PT and totally explains her otherwise inexplicable sudden Force abilities (which I actually never had a problem with), not to mention the lightsaber calling to her. It’s just a shame it leaked.

    • June 3, 2016 at 5:01 pm
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      The voice talking to her on the forceback, saying “we”ll be back, sweetheart, I promise” sounds compassionate enough to me. Maybe leaving her on Jakku was indeed supposed to be a temporary arrangement, but,whoever left her there got killed later and couldn’t come back.

      • June 3, 2016 at 5:21 pm
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        Killed, perhaps, by the Knights of Ren? That indeed would be one way of bringing things full circle between Ben and Rey. And this is something she would probably discover through Luke… or possibly through Ben/Kylo, that maybe Luke had not yet told her.

  • June 3, 2016 at 4:59 pm
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    Another theory – maybe Shmi had another child before or after Anakin that gave birth to Rey?
    Nah…

    • June 4, 2016 at 8:23 pm
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      Anakin had a Twin Sister who was force sensitive

  • June 3, 2016 at 8:53 pm
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    If she isn’t a Skywalker then this whole thing is a complete waste of time. Why keep people guessing if the answer is, she is an entirely new character. If it’s the truth then it’s not exactly a spoiler since there is no twist to it. The story group is deliberate hiding of her parentage has to mean that there is sort of twist to her lineage. It doesn’t take away from her as a character if she is Luke’s daughter. She is still badass and a likeable one. I am just tired of the debate already. The fact that we have another year and a half of speculation is exhausting to think about.

    • June 3, 2016 at 9:47 pm
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      The twist was that you should have thought that the new lead was a black boy by the trailer and the promo posters. The big reveal was that the white girl was the lead and the black guy was Jar Jar Binks. Disney must be embarassed about Rey identity, they didn’t even thought about it. They’re probabaly currently trying to figure out what dumb lineage they could invent.

  • June 3, 2016 at 11:20 pm
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    The reincarnation thing isn’t just a theory. Someone ‘supposedly’ involved with the production actually leaked the scene where Luke tells Rey that she is a reincarnation of Anakin, or the Chosen One. Similar to how the entire third act of TFA was leaked 10 months before it’s release; which ended up being 100% accurate all the way down to the deleted scene where Kylo Ren boarded the Millennium Falcon. So don’t disregard the reincarnation theory as ridiculous quite yet…..

    • June 6, 2016 at 6:20 pm
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      Pablo Hidalgo already shot down the reincarnation theories on his twitter account and called it nonsense months ago…..This isn’t The Matrix….it is Star Wars….

  • June 4, 2016 at 12:52 am
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    I couple of things to admit before I share my theory. I haven’t read all the comments so I apologize if this is repeating someone else’s. Also, I haven’t read Bloodline yet so based on one comment I read my theory has changed slightly but still might not fit with the events of Bloodline. That being said…

    I think Rey is Luke’s daughter. As he was training new Jedi he fell in love with one of his padawans. We know as Jedi they’re supposed to not give in to their passions so he lost focus on what was happening with the trainees. Together they had a child, Rey. After Rey was born, around the time she was left on Jakku, Rey’s mother, Luke’s love, began to see changes in Ben, maybe saw him worshipping Vader or something, and realized that she needed to do something to protect her. She took her to Jakku to be safe which Luke disagreed with, still believing in Ben. Shortly thereafter Ben did turn and killed all the other trainees, including mom/love. This completely devastated and he realized that he had failed in training Ben and seeing what was going on by giving in to his passions. He believed that he wasn’t strong enough to try again, and perhaps thought his daughter might be better off because of the love she had for her and his previous failings so he left her wherever she had been taken and he went into hiding. When she appears at the end with his lightsaber his force sense has let him know that she’s close so he’s standing at mom’s/love’s grave (it’s a gravestone at the end) thinking about her and his past. She holds the saber out and he’s trying to decide if he can try again, want’s to be in his daughter’s life, especially seeing that she’s started along the jedi path, so convinces himself that he will be stronger and train her…go to helicopter shot with credits and music.

    Just my thinking. Probably lots of holes be seems to make some sense in my mind.

    • June 4, 2016 at 6:05 am
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      I hope you are right since rey skywalker would be aweosome, but it just dosn’t seem to line up. Rey was on Jakku for almost 13 years before Ben presumably helped kill the jedi, so I can’t see luke missing out on his daughters childhood and not asking his wife where their daughter was for over a decade when things were presumably fine.

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      actually according to bloodline though Ben didnt know about vader until he was 23. so the worshiping part of your theory might not fit. also ben destroyed everything at 23 and rey was left in jakku at 5-6 meaning ben would be 15 at the time. but we know that he was actually 23 when he destroyed everything and rey at the time would have been 13 and still on jakku. we also know that rey being dropped and the Ben’s betrayal happened on separate occasions. honestly this theory make’s luke look terrible as well, so he knows he has a daughter, she is alive possibly where she is and he just gives up and lets her grow up in jakku of all. actually that’s not a grave, it actually is a stone, the grave thing is debunked.

  • June 4, 2016 at 6:10 am
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    I hope she is a skywalker, but Its look less and less likely as we find out more. To me the part that adds up the least is that she was left with Unkar. Rey seems to have loving memories toward her parents (though this might just be wishful) but who in their right mind would leave a little girl with a junk dealer on a graveyard of a planet like jakku. The rebels won, lukes academy was in full swing at the time…who could be so dangerous or desperate to do this?

  • June 4, 2016 at 7:05 am
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    She is Luke’s daughter.. Otherwise why would Anakin’s saber call to her, instead of Leia’s son? Why did she go to find Luke instead of Leia, who was searching for him for decades?

    • June 4, 2016 at 6:15 pm
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      That’s exactly what I think too. The light saber calls to her and now Luke will train her. It would be a pretty boring reveal to show her parents as some no name Jedi.

      • July 1, 2016 at 11:39 am
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        i wouldnt think so, i think they have more creative freedom to tell a interesting story if she werent, if anything her being luke’s would be a pretty obvious reveal and standard storytelling.

    • July 1, 2016 at 11:38 am
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      same reason why kanan’s saber called to ezra in rebel, it was the force around it. its not like leia can up an leave the resistance since she is the leader of it, if rey wasnt their then she might have sent poe instead, actually he has been missing for possibly for 6 years according to bloodlines.

  • June 4, 2016 at 7:20 am
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    I think you might have nailed it, right there. Totally makes sense, is simple, and besides, we already have the Skywalker line continuing with Ben Solo. Your theory also makes for a good launchpad for future SW tales. It can’t all be about Skywalker’s.

  • June 6, 2016 at 6:11 pm
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    I’m sorry, but I disagree with about everyone on here… I think it is a no brainer and quite obvious that she is a Skywalker.
    and this is why:
    Before I go into the movie details I will point out that Kathleen Kennedy claimed this is a continuation of the Skywalker story…Ben..although he has SKywalker blood in him…is NOT a Skywalker..he is a SOLO. Daisley Ridley looks pretty damn close to what Mark Hammil looked like in A new hope…I don’t think her being cast was an accident…sure her talent helped…but those looks sure helped as well I would say. then I go to just two major points in the movie… That lightsaber would have not made her react that way if she was just some jane schmoe lost Jedi, when she touched it. Maz says..that belonged to Lukes father, and then to him…and now it calls to you! When she gets the saber at the end of the movie..the Skywalker Theme plays in the background….and lets please not forget Lukes voice over in the trailer. That voice over from Return of the Jedi was put in there for a reason…and it wasn’t because of Leia or Ben.

    • July 1, 2016 at 11:34 am
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      yes, KK did say that, if you notice closely TFA already has 3 skywalkers in play, luke,kylo and leia with anakin/vader’s legacy hanging over them. they are all heavily involved in the story that is unraveling especially with their family drama that we will see more of in the next two movies. so it is still a continuation of the skywalker story. given what pablo said i doubt they care what his last name may be, he still is a skywalker, not only that, he is the summation of all the characters that came before him, great grandson of shmi, grandson of anakin/vader skywalker and Queen padme amidala, son of leia organa and Han solo and nephew of luke skywalker and he is also named after obi wan kenobi “Ben”. if any thing Daisy looks more like keira knightly who just so happened to be natalie portmans handmaiden in the PT, therefore she must be related to her s/. that’s not really solid evidence considering they could get any young pretty British white women and people would still say the same thing. as for the saber calling out to her, it actually hasnt been shown to call either luke or anakin, it just belonged to them and was held on to by obi wan as well for a longer time then even luke. it has more to do with the force remnants around the saber just like from rebels how kanan’s saber seemed to call to him except it was the force around it. and we all know ezra is not related to kanan. rey’s force started to wake after she left jakku as well. as for the line. the skywalker theme is actually the force theme and no doubt would be played for the hero/protag of the story. as for luke’s voice in the trailer he could be talking to ben or its just for marketing and was aimed at the audience. i understand you really want her to be a skywalker even if its in some round about way, but we will have to see who is discounted as being her parents in ep 8. im personally of the idea that she isnt a skywalker and we havent seen her parents before, however her backstory and what her parents may have been a part of is important the the story that’s being told in the trilogy and she is part of something much larger..

  • July 1, 2016 at 9:16 am
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    You might want to check out this theory then, as it posits that Rey’s parents were both Dark Side users aligned with the First Order and that Luke and Ben have everything to do with why she was left in Jakku https://youtu.be/ngNBmp18Qh4

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