Updated With Official Description of the First Order Origins! Speculation: Origins of the First Order.

First OrderHaving already discussed the real world historical analogy  concerning the First Order here. Hit the jump to read speculation on the potential origins of the First Order and its leaders.



Let me preface the rest of the article by making it extremely clear that this is almost pure speculation, some well known rumors well be referenced but understand that what I am posting comes from my mind alone and is meant to provoke thought and conversation. In going into this I have outlined in my head three broad outlines of what the First Order might be. What will actually turn out to be in the film may be any of the following, none of the following, or bits and pieces from each.If you disagree with my ideas then that is a good thing, and I ask you to immediately respond in the comments with your own theories.


TFA Promo Art
Anyway with that disclaimer aside let’s get into the speculation shall we?


Andy Serkis SnokeScenario One –  Lord Snoke reborn.


Let’s assume here that Snoke is an ancient Sith Lord that has somehow been awakened. The awakening has actually occurred long before the film itself, the First Order being formed around the cult of a reawakened Snoke. A good analogy for this scenario is the Empire in Episode IV, an emperor is referenced but he isn’t any sort of driving force towards the plot. What really matters is his enforcer Kylo Ren, same as the villain of Episode IV was Darth Vader. In addition to this, Gleeson plays a Tarkin like role as the Big Bad whereas the Bigger Bad is the relatively unseen Snoke. So for the Serkis fans amongst us this would be a highly disappointing scenario as Snoke would have a cameo type situation at best. The question of who is Kylo Ren is relatively independent of requirements in this scenario. If one was to build any sort of Kylo Ren they want i.e.- spoiled aristocrat, son of Han, failed apprentice, etc; any one could fit into this scenario. The First Order itself is only as old as Snoke himself, and may even be separate from a greater Empire in this scenario.



Scenario Two – Prince Kylo.


Let’s assume here that the First Order is virtually the extent of what was once the Empire. It converted into a hereditary monarchy of sorts following the fall of Palpatine, think Roman Empire in a sense I suppose. Kylo Ren is the spoiled prince of this Empire and his father is on his death bed, whose death may even be the immediate driving force of the plot. Kylo’s power over his subordinates comes from his royal name, and he is well known as a bloodthirsty warmonger. Leia and other leaders of the Resistance view him as their worst political nightmare come true. Unknown to all but Kylo himself is that there is a malevolent entity influencing Kylo behind the scenes, Snoke. For those familiar with my infamous “Third Order” theory, this scenario ties most closely to it. For those unfamiliar with it here is a general overview of the idea. But that doesn’t mean Scenario Two needs the “Third Order” theory, it just requires a background of Kylo Ren as an Imperial aristocrat. This scenario could also offer more Snoke than Scenario One as we see him manipulate and twist Kylo towards some unseen agenda.


Kylo Ren

Scenario Three – The Cult of Vader.


In this scenario the First Order is a radical branch of the Empire centered around Kylo Ren. Here Kylo Ren is depicting himself as Darth Vader himself and uses his limited Force abilities to strike fear in both his subordinates and the civilian population. The First Order is gaining popularity as it promises a return to the glory of the old Empire and “Darth Vader” proves to be a powerful figurehead even if the figure behind the mask is unstable. Like in Scenario Two, Snoke is a behind the scenes influence on Kylo Ren and others. While any build-a-Kylo Ren works here, Kylo Ren Solo requires a lot of explanation that may plague the film with plot holes, in a sense Prince Kylo does similar just at a slightly lesser extent.


Star Destroyer

In conclusion I won’t even pretend to assume that any of these scenarios are correct. Even if they do luckily end up having elements of truth I would immediately go to Vegas if it ends up a 100% match. Think of this as throwing speculation at a wall and seeing what sticks. I welcome any and all conversation on the topic, are there any scenarios you have envisioned that I didn’t? The comment section and The Cantina are open to your own theories and comments upon my own






Only hours after we posted our speculation on the origins of the First Order, an official description hit the web, found on the side of the leaked packaging for one of the First Order Stormtrooper toys:


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  • June 26, 2015 at 7:39 pm


  • June 26, 2015 at 7:41 pm

    That was a fun read. Thanks for posting it! 🙂

  • June 26, 2015 at 7:48 pm

    very interesting

  • June 26, 2015 at 8:01 pm

    Snoke sounds so shit what a really crap name for a bad guy. Now Plaguis is so much more evocative don’t you think?

    • June 26, 2015 at 8:33 pm

      I get what your saying and agree but if snoke isn’t human which seems likely then it makes sense that his name isn’t human

      • June 26, 2015 at 9:03 pm

        He’s an old alien dark force user, not a Sith. He hid himself away similarly to how Yoda hid himself away.

    • June 26, 2015 at 10:33 pm

      Let’s snoke him out.

      • June 26, 2015 at 11:02 pm

        SNOKE: Where there is snoke, there is fire!
        YODA: Ready are you? What know you of ready?
        ANNOUNCER: Round 1… FIGHT!!!

  • June 26, 2015 at 8:01 pm

    I believe scenario 1 will be the closest to the script although I thought 3 was rather interesting.No 2 – no chance 😉 – A good read, Thanks

  • June 26, 2015 at 8:03 pm

    Snoke… that’s the best they could come up with – sounds like a character from Sesame St.

    • June 27, 2015 at 5:39 am

      Snoke, and Sheev have been brought to you by the letter S

      • June 28, 2015 at 12:35 am

        It’s not an S. It means hope

  • June 26, 2015 at 8:14 pm

    I am curious as to why we’ve been shown what Kylo Ren looks like unmasked. It doesn’t add up. It completely takes away from the mystery and also the intimidation factor of the character. I wonder if Kylo Ren (Driver) isn’t who we think he is in the film. Maybe there is someone else behind that mask and everyone thinks it’s Driver.

    • June 26, 2015 at 9:02 pm

      Incorrect. Ren is an X-Wing pilot that falls to the dark side. Similarly to how Finn’s character is a Stormtrooper who rises to the light side.

      • June 26, 2015 at 10:42 pm

        True. Vanity fair took that video, where those troopers were pointing Kylo with their guns as they walked. I think he turned to the dark side and then he tried to take contact First Order. Because Ren was former Resistance pilot, they were not convinced his change. That’s why they pointed gun towards him.

        Then he got FO’s trust and got also the sithcalibur from his new master.

        • June 27, 2015 at 6:21 am

          Actually the photo is a mash-up.
          The actual video / photo was just Ren by himself, the two snowtroopers are in their own separate photo, I have no idea who photoshopped the two together, but you can see how the snowtroopers are actually faded out / transparent through Ren’s background.

      • June 26, 2015 at 11:15 pm

        YODA: Hmm. A Vanity Fair photo shoot that misread could have been.

    • June 26, 2015 at 10:51 pm

      I also suspected this.

  • June 26, 2015 at 8:21 pm


    • June 26, 2015 at 11:10 pm

      Umm… This isn’t a thread… ^_-

      • June 27, 2015 at 5:50 am

        Yoda Hosier!

      • June 28, 2015 at 5:37 am

        Bump. Rec’d.

      • June 28, 2015 at 2:00 pm

        Bumping for interest

  • June 26, 2015 at 8:39 pm

    My sources have confirmed that Kylo Katarn= Star Wars version of George W. bush while Finn is an Obama influenced figurehead. also the invasion of Iraq comes into play somewhere.

    • June 26, 2015 at 9:01 pm


      • June 26, 2015 at 11:12 pm

        And Rey is Hillary Clinton. She’ll take over the Jedi Order towards the end of Hillary’s first term in office.

        • June 27, 2015 at 12:29 am

          Kill me. I can’t take another liberal democrat in office. On topic… I hope there is limited “message” and more scifi opera fun.

          • June 27, 2015 at 2:55 am

            Would you prefer a willfully ignorant, warmongering conservative, like Bush? Cause that was 8 banner years for the average American, right there.

          • June 27, 2015 at 5:55 am

            No. I prefer conservatives out of my life and liberals out of my wallet.

          • June 27, 2015 at 6:28 am

            I’d like to point out that Obama has killed just as many people as Bush did, except Obama opted for the less news-worthy [and probably less terrorist/civilian discriminatory] airbourne drones.

            Obama’s firing most of the military, I’ll give him that, but saving lives? not really, also, we STILL don’t actually know what happened to that one embassy, but by all appearances the US gov’ment went out of their way to make sure the diplomat got captured and killed, not that we know for sure, because Hillary erased all the data pertaining to this incident.

            Every President’s got dirt, Bush made the horrible mistake of being honest.

          • June 27, 2015 at 3:57 pm

            … and this all applies to Star Wars in what way exactly?

          • June 28, 2015 at 1:29 pm

            Ask the guy who brought up Bush^^

          • June 27, 2015 at 4:02 am

            There hasn’t been a “liberal Democrat” president since Star Wars (1977) was in theaters.

          • June 27, 2015 at 4:38 am

            … and he was a Baptist!!!

          • June 27, 2015 at 11:07 am

            I kind of like that Volurum guy. Sense when did this become a political forum. Enough with the trade negotiations.

    • June 26, 2015 at 11:59 pm

      And BB8 is what’s left of a transabled person, who went the whole hog and became a droid.

    • June 28, 2015 at 1:27 am

      Jakku is the Galactic version of Iraq

      • June 28, 2015 at 9:02 am

        And snoke is osama bin laden lol

        • June 28, 2015 at 8:30 pm

          Pirates = Taliban and Max Katana= Osama bin laden

          Snoke= leader of ISIS

          Jabba the Hutt= Iran

          It’s been confirmed that Star Wars is just a big analogy for the rise of George bush and the invSion of Iraq since episode 2.

  • June 26, 2015 at 8:43 pm

    I feel like the explanation over who he is and what the First Order is about will be more simple than complicated.

    • June 26, 2015 at 9:16 pm

      JJ wants to keep the spirit of the OT which means he doesn’t explain EVERY little detail and keeps you wondering certain aspects may or may not be. I bet there is little explanation of either in the first film….

      • June 28, 2015 at 1:35 pm

        I sincerely hope at least 30% of what’s onscreen will be UNEXPLAINED.

        Jawas are more awesome when you’re baffled as to what they look like with their hood off [is their head actually transparent like a ringwraith? does their skin absorb light?]
        The day I see a Jawa with it’s hood off, THEN and only then will my childhood die.
        It’s sorta like, you know, vampire rules…
        explain awesome shit – it evaporates into normal shit, i.e, shit.
        shit is better when you’re not sure what it is.
        Case in point, Jawas and/or Marcellus Wallace’s briefcase full of [SPOILER] both diamonds AND MW’s soul.

        Jeffrey, if you’re reading this, make sure you’re writing it down…

  • June 26, 2015 at 9:01 pm

    Nope. Not at all. Snoke is an alien Dark Force User exempt from the rule of two. He basically explains in the movie that he thought that Palpatine was a foolish idiot for even continuing that tradition.

    Over analyzing the issue is just idiotic. It’s going to be quite simple, really.

    • June 26, 2015 at 9:04 pm

      Also, any and all moronic speculation is a waste of time. Please only update when there’s an actual Episode 7-related update.

      • June 26, 2015 at 11:07 pm

        What, so we’re like a jukebox? Jam a quarter up our ass and we play you your favorite song? ;^)

        When there are TFA updates, you bet we’ll give them to you. And when there doesn’t happen to be any Episode VII news, we’ll continue to post Star Wars related articles that are of interest to us and, we hope, to most of our readers.

        Sincere apologies if that chaps your bantha, sir.

        • June 27, 2015 at 12:02 am

          I’m off to the bank tomorrow to exchange some deutsche marks for quarters. Bend over because I have a few favourite songs.

          • June 27, 2015 at 12:41 am

            You realize you don’t *have* to read any article you don’t want to, right? I skip most all none movie related articles…not my thing. Doesn’t mean others don’t want to read it.

    • June 26, 2015 at 10:25 pm

      Snoke was probably a rival of Palpatine, who went into hiding biding his time and working behind the scenes. Building his power base within the Empire, while Palatine was obsessed with the Skywalkers. It blinded him to Snoke’s machinations. He may have forseen the Emperor’s death at the Battle of Endor. So when the Emperor died he was perfectly positioned to take over with very little disruption in the chain of command. I’m sure there was some chaos that followed but he was able to quickly reassert control.

  • June 26, 2015 at 9:25 pm

    We used to call a crafty ciggy behind the bike shed at school a snoke! Sneaky + smoke= snoke!

    • June 27, 2015 at 9:36 pm

      This is it. The whole new trilogy now makes sense. SW7N can be closed now.

  • June 26, 2015 at 10:01 pm

    This is a small issue, but regarding #1: I don’t think Serkis will have a small/cameo part. He was at the first table read, right?

  • June 26, 2015 at 10:37 pm

    Kylo Ren and his limited abilities … I always thought that Luke would eat him for breakfast. But I guess it’ll be the apprentice(s) who’s got to deal with him. Like Luke had to deal with Vader on his own. If Kylo and Kira are brothers and sisters then maybe they also got separated as it was the case with Luke and Leia. But hiding from whom?

  • June 26, 2015 at 10:46 pm

    He may have been at the table read but that doesn’t mean he’s in the movie a lot, mark hamill was at the table read and there is a lot of speculation that he won’t be in the movie a lot

  • June 26, 2015 at 10:53 pm

    Is it free to join Cantina? Can I join? I’m interest in Star Wars and it would be nice to get to talk about it more profoundly.

    • June 26, 2015 at 10:56 pm

      No, it’s two payments of 29.99 a week plus you must send the admins consistent nude pictures of yourself.

      • June 26, 2015 at 11:05 pm

        Understood, there is no requirements 🙂 🙂 🙂

      • June 26, 2015 at 11:21 pm

        Cool! But does it have to be consistent?

  • June 26, 2015 at 10:54 pm

    Scenario D: The true identity of Vader becomes known and the Empire/First Order fall in line fearing Kylo Skywalker who decided to follow in his grand-father’s footsteps

    • June 28, 2015 at 1:39 pm

      Now I wonder if Rey IS a Skywalker, only [SPOILER] she KNOWS she is a Skywalker,
      think about it, her badass attitude, weapon experience, she’s sort of like Luke but with WAY more ethically consistent guardians…

  • June 26, 2015 at 11:05 pm

    I think the big clue they keep offering us is that this movie will be about family. My thoughts are then that Kylo is the son of Han and Leia and has become obsessed with following in his grandfathers footsteps. I think he will survive all three of the new movies and it will end with his symbolic gesture of giving up his sithcalibur and bringing peace to the galaxy

  • June 26, 2015 at 11:58 pm

    I hope all these theories are not true and it turns out to be more Star Trek (understanding what George Lucas means by … IN A GALAXY FAR FAR AWAY (opening three dimensional read before the movie)! There will be skirmishes in each galaxy but WHAT’S OUT THERE COULD BE MORE EVIL AND DANGEROUS THAN ANY CONJURED SITH LORD. But, let there be the historical nation building skirmishes of earth’s history until we learn by finding out: WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE FIND OUT EXPANDING OUR UNIVERSE!

  • June 27, 2015 at 2:27 am

    My two cents (five if you count for inflation): The First Order could have been established after years of power consolidation by one or more of the stronger regional governors (which is probably what Star Wars: Aftermath might be referring to about a “secret Imperial meeting”).

    The First Order would then reestablish a unipolarity in the galaxy and become the new superpower forcing the former Rebel Alliance to become the Resistance.

    As for their connection with Snoke and Kylo Stimpy..i mean Ren: Snoke could have been awoken (awaken? awakened?) either by the Imperials in their meeting or by Kylo by collaborating with the First Order.

  • June 27, 2015 at 2:51 am

    Random theory. Threepio and Han are killed, and Kylo is directly responsible. He battles Luke in the end, but is no match. He tries to taunt Luke into killing him, but Luke only responds with, “I’m not your problem”, as he turns away and we see Chewbacca approach.

  • June 27, 2015 at 3:02 am

    I really like all. It makes sense with each one. I like 2 or 3 the best. 3 seems to be what everyone is betting on with that vader influence. Empire returning to its glory days but also very much more militant and pissed off. I seriously cannot wait 6 more months for this fucking movie. I’m so tired of waiting hoping and reading I just wanna seeee itttt!!! Ahhhgghh!!!

  • June 27, 2015 at 3:44 am

    I think I read somewhere a theory that Snoke was around before Palpatine and may have even influenced his actions including the building of the 1st and 2nd Death Stars to meet Snoke’s ultimate purpose. Maybe he is the ancient Sith Emperor that needs death and destruction to gain strength to come back. A battle station that destroys entire planets would go a long way to giving him strength. Just a thought….

  • June 27, 2015 at 4:27 am

    First let me say I liked the name Uber his ‘nickname’ before we knew who he was but I am sure Supreme Leader Snoke will grow on me as the others have.
    I believe Supreme Leader Snoke is the one that on here and on MSW was written as resembling a Sandperson. Also the twigs of what ever as the hair don’t remember much of the description. Tried to draw him at the time when I read the description. Also think he is on the snow planet concept art with Rey etc. Sabers drawn. That wasn’t a very clear drawing. Nor was it perhaps the final draft. I remember here or MSW said the one concept of his was on white paper…nothing else but his face.

  • June 27, 2015 at 6:29 am

    Wonder if Palpatine had any kids or family?

    • June 27, 2015 at 9:22 pm

      No Woman could have loved this man.

      • June 28, 2015 at 4:30 am

        I don’t think Palpatine would have let a little thing like love stop him from getting what he wanted.

  • June 27, 2015 at 6:39 am

    I think Adam Driver IS NOT Kylo Ren.

    Think about it…
    the only evidence we have to suggest he’s Kylo is that ONE photo of him, by himself.
    For all we know, this was a one-off thing for when Leibovitz showed up.

    I’m just saying, Adam is either an X-Wing Pilot or a Sith Lord.
    One or the other.

    If he were BOTH, that would constitute a pretty big twist IMO, a twist big enough that they WOULD NOT DARE let out it in Vanity Fair.

    If Mystery Box is a thing, I would think “The baddie is initially in close quarters getting friendly with the heroes” would place very deep inside said box of secrecy,
    the VF “release” that Driver’s the baddie, nuh-uh. i’m not buying it, If there IS a mystery box trick, this is it.

    Also of note, does anyone actually recall an interview with Driver post-Kylo-ID?
    If he hasn’t had an interview since then, that SHOULD be considered quite suspicious [though I may be wrong]

    If THIS IS a baddie-ID fakeout, It’s actually a genius move on JJ’s part.
    It’s sort of a reverse-Khan move.
    Last time denying who the villain is failed, but you don’t have to deny who the villain is if he’s already been “identified” 😉

    the little grey cells, they never fail…

    I could be wrong, but what the hell, I might be right.

    • June 27, 2015 at 9:17 am

      I kind of agree. Except when we see the pictures of Driver in Kylo Ren’s black outfit without the mask. This kind of ruins your theory….

      • June 28, 2015 at 3:01 am

        I thought it was so ‘obvious’ that supreme chancellor Palpatine in AotC was Darth Sidious that there would have to be a twist in RotS.

      • June 28, 2015 at 1:41 pm

        I’m pretty sure I implied- actually no, I outright said that the photo with his mask off was staged.
        But yeah, I agree with you agreeing with me.

  • June 27, 2015 at 7:54 am

    I think Snoke is Plagueis

    • June 28, 2015 at 1:50 am

      I hope not. I hate the recycling of dead characters. Then you have a universe where no one dies.

      • June 28, 2015 at 1:42 pm

        Arguably Plagueis has yet to actually be USED, so it’s not really recycling, more like “nothing goes to waste…”

  • June 27, 2015 at 4:09 pm

    The dark side has blinded all of you.

  • June 27, 2015 at 5:06 pm

    G.Walton Lucas was all about Darth Plagueis being the BIG baddie ALL along, but that wasn’t good enough for KK and JJ so they scrapped that to give us some dude named Snoke.

    Next thing we’ll know, Vader is back and he’s being played by Adam Driver.

    Jariah Syn: “Waht.Teh.Kark”

  • June 27, 2015 at 5:12 pm

    Snoke = Dumb like Sleazebaggano

    “Wanna buy some dark side?”

  • June 27, 2015 at 5:52 pm

    Couple thoughts have hit me while I read the comments.

    1. What if Snoke is just Serkis’ character’s first name? Like Sheev is for Palpatine.

    2. (This is way way out there) but what if Snoke IS the undead Emperor from SWTOR? I know it’s supposed to be none cannon but if he “looks like the undead” he cold be drained by sustaining his body with the Darkside, just like Sideous couldn’t maintain his image anymore after his fight with Mace Windu. This would explain his look as well as the title “The First Order”

    Doesn’t necessarily have to be the Emperor from SWTOR but any old Sith Lord who previously had a Sith Empire and he goes by Snoke in the same way that Sideous went by Palpatine.

  • June 27, 2015 at 6:00 pm

    By the looks of the symbology: Saturn


  • June 27, 2015 at 8:33 pm

    My theory: The First Order is the direct continuation of, not necessarily the Empire, but the 501st Legion. That is why the First Order has a “cult of Vader”.

    These guys are paramilitaries, who don’t necessarily have government support. They are being funded, backed by a powerful, mysterious entity who may or may not be a Sith (or connected to the Dark Side). Their mission appears to be to restore the Empire… but this may not be the entire truth as will be revealed in Episodes 8 and 9.

    They were the 501st — now they are The First. That is where they get their name: “first”.

  • June 27, 2015 at 8:42 pm

    My theory..Snoke is not his full name. It’s short for Snowflake

    • June 27, 2015 at 9:01 pm

      Cue Disney’s Star Wars / Frozen crossover.
      “Do you wanna build an Empire” – It’s going to happen, it’s our destiny!

      • June 28, 2015 at 1:45 pm

        Let it go! Let it go! Let the storm rage on!
        The hate never bothered me anyways…

        seriously Jeffrey, write this down.

    • June 27, 2015 at 9:31 pm

      “My theory..Snoke is not his full name. It’s short for Snowflake”

      Snoke is Snowflake, and Kylo Ren spelled backwards is neRo lyK (“Nero-like” = Rome set ablaze).

      In other words, Team Icy Hot.

      • June 27, 2015 at 9:35 pm

        Snoke mastered his training by removing the “flaw”.

        • June 28, 2015 at 2:52 am

          That’s more clever than my original pun

  • June 27, 2015 at 9:25 pm

    It’s Salad Snoke pretending to be Iroquois Plagueis.

  • June 27, 2015 at 10:32 pm

    what if kylo was the dark lord name for ezra from rebels?? star wars always seems to repeat itself, the young, cocky, fearful padawan maybe our next anakin. remember ezra collects artifacts for instance darth vaders helmet??

    • June 28, 2015 at 1:51 pm

      it’s disturbing how they even come up with this, like these guys got serious problems.
      I enjoyed it, but still, that’s a pretty messed up sense of humor.

  • June 27, 2015 at 11:16 pm

    So, basically this update tells us what we already know.

  • June 28, 2015 at 12:07 am

    Duh, the “first order” is the order that must be executed when the Emperor is killed. Just like order 66.

  • June 28, 2015 at 2:54 am

    It confirms the Empires Fall.The First Order is a reorganization of Imperial forces to try to restore the former Empire.

  • June 28, 2015 at 2:56 am

    So you gave a resistance probably within the first order territory trying to keep at bay similar to the Contras in Nicaragua in the 80s.

  • June 28, 2015 at 3:42 am

    reference is the noun, refer is the verb. “referencing” should be “referring to” and “reference” should be “refer to”. There is no sense is verbing a noun that is itself the noun attached to a verb.

  • June 28, 2015 at 4:43 am

    I suspect we may be learning about how the Sith started as we discover how the Dark Side is re-surging in the galaxy.

    The Dark Side is the Force that awakens and it’s Snoke who rediscovers it first and uses the disgruntled Imperial loyalists to seize power for himself. I don’t really think it’s any more complicated then that.

  • June 28, 2015 at 11:08 am

    I think we’re really long past the point when we need some crunchy plot info. All the different leaks, by themselves, paint a pretty bad picture. I am not saying I personally expected Shakespeare, but I expected quality. “Snoke”, “cult of Vader”, First Order, First Order grapefruit logo, EU retconned, no New Republic, no screentime for Lando, Wedge, and little more than a cameo for Luke… Just doesn’t make for a very compelling picture, just as of yet.

    TLDR: Disney, if you want me to buy your products, give me something to be excited about. Like a basic plot synopsis.

    • June 28, 2015 at 12:11 pm

      O my, i think you put disney under stress with this post..

    • June 29, 2015 at 4:30 pm

      they still make you? ” sigh….ummm. see the movie before bashing it. disney doesnt “owe” you a plot synopsis.

  • June 28, 2015 at 2:00 pm

    I just heard the new name for Independence Day sequel.

    Independence Day – Resurgence

    WHY do they keep on giving us movies with dumb “smart sounding” names?
    Divergence, resurgence, oblivion, insergence, ultimatum,

    Whatever happened to just slapping a number on stuff?

    Or at least use a word that, you know, MEANS something.

    Independence Day Resurgence is just plain boring AT BEST and unimaginative at worst, it’s like, if you asked JRR Tolkien what the aliens are doing, he’d say “I do believe they are resurging…”
    Literally no other person [IN THE WORLD] would actually use this word. oh, no one except that marketing guy with a thesaurus and a need, a need for ripping off other films I don’t know about.

    IDK about you, but I’m feeling pretty happy with The Force Awakens about now… because at least “awaken” is still a thing.

    • June 28, 2015 at 7:36 pm

      uhm… still I don’t feel ‘Oblivion’ stands in that category of “‘smart sounding’ names” (mostly ending in -ence) (notice that -ence sound and -ens sound from ‘awakens’ sound similar), and I don’t believe this is the problem with nowadays films.
      The real problem is that in the past years they made far too many film adaptations of distopian sci-fis featuring teens that somebody decided that are “awesome” and “better than star wars because they’re newer” (quoting directly ex-friends of mine). This really disturbs me a lot more. Luckily this new bunch of star wars films will bring people back on the right way.

      • June 29, 2015 at 4:32 pm

        the “-en” in “Awakens” shifts the adjective “awake” into the verb “awaken”; making a description into action.

        the “-ence” in “resurgence” shifts the verb “resurge” into the noun “resurgence”; making action into a description.

        So no, -ens is not the same as -ence. At All.

        Also it’s a different etymology.
        There’s “awaken” from the Old English “awæcnan”,
        “Resurgence” from the latin “resurgere”

        So, if anything, they’re polar opposites.

        New, Hope, Strike, Back, and Attack, are all Old English.

        Phantom, Menace, Return, Empire [fittingly], and Revenge are all Latin.

        And I believe Clone is derived from some botany term in Greek.

        So basically, bad-guy stuff like the Empire or the Phantom Menace are Latin,
        good guy stuff like Hope and Attack are Germanic.
        This all fits the old literary technique called “don’t use Latin shit, it’s boring” – google it, this is an actual rule that most great works of literature follow

        PS, every time I hear “Oblivion”, I think of the fantasy RPG about such issues as cult-mentality, class-division, the literal Pits of Hell, and the dangers of being a hobo.
        I don’t actually know what Tom Cruise’s “oblivion” is about, so for the moment I’ll assume Tom Cruise also encounters class-ism and hobo-living and the pits of hell. Come to think of it, that would make a good movie, if they can get Pat Stewart and Sean Bean, I’M IN.

  • June 29, 2015 at 11:40 pm

    So i guess yoda never ended up traing the one who would bring balance to the force? The prophecy was fals.

    • July 2, 2015 at 9:54 pm

      Not true. As seen in the teaser vaders charred mask. Vader/ Anakin’s spirit could be an influence to Finn or any other good guy. Remember Obi Wan’s ghost? And how it helped Luke? Same thing could be with Anikan ghost helping someone for the greater good. I mean, it WAS Vader that saved Luke and destroyed Emporer Palpatine. Sooooooo it IS possible he will still bring balance to the force.

  • July 3, 2015 at 11:18 pm

    Snoke -> Snooke -> Snookie

    This movie is a metaphor for the Jersey Shore. This is truly evil.

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