Rumor: Star Wars: The Force Awakens Scenes/Characters Described – Part III.

Spoilerific

Way back in September we first posted about this piece from our message board, The Cantina. Where member King3000 gave a highly detailed description concerning a scene in Episode VII. Well we have received another update on what was previously shared and with MSW’s report there is some interesting interplay. Again these are rumors with nothing confirmed but still spoilers may follow so proceed at your own risk.

You can find our previous reports on these rumors HERE and HERE 

 

 

 

POTENTIAL SPOILERS

 

 

 

What follows is a summary of some of the new points by King3000

  • Lupita filmed her scene on her knees with CGI markers on her face
  • Lupita’s scenes were filmed twice, once with Lupita and once with a “little person”
  • There is foosball in Star Wars

 

This answers some of the questions arisen in regards to how King’s knowledge meshed with MSW’s on the “Rose” character Lupita seems to be playing.

 

Lupita Hat
“Lupita was filmed doing her scenes on her knees, she was wearing kneepads. She had CGI markers on her face and was wearing head apparatus with a camera and extremely bright light pointing directly in her face, this alone points towards only her face being used as opposed to CGI beig added to her face. Secondly each of her scenes were filmed twice over with a “Little Person” filming the same as her, this is either a place holder for a CGI character or Lupita’s face is being placed on a smaller persons body. I was told the “Little Person” was very forceful and pushing there way past the bar members legs and knocking them out the way, which still fits with the character being an authority figure in this establishment.”

 

 

Assuming both of these reports are true then we have an idea of how Lupita is playing Rose. The process seems at least somewhat similar to previous work by Andy Serkis such as Dawn of the Planet of the Apes.

Here are other parts of the report

 

“The wolfmen are almost identical to these guys seen in Ralph Mcquarries concept art below, there are at least 2 of them skulking around set and they are apparently ‘very cool'”

 

 

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“Lastly some small things, I mentioned this guy before, as being some sort of Butcher. He is, he is sat in the scene chopping “rats” with a meat clever.”

 

 

Hermi_Odle

 

“Also there is………..foosball in the star wars universe, well something similar being played, CGI will be added. There is also a really cool “Large Monster” sat almost in a throne type chair, the puppet is operated by 3 guys and is quite muscular, with only three fingers on each hand and is almost “oriental warrior” looking. There is an immense amount going on, alot of small stuff not even worth mentioning, but its looking fun apparently.

Mark Hamill’s beard is “medium length” <—–Spoiler of the year xD

Well a “Bit” shorter than this picture…..”

 

 

Mark-Hamill

 

 

This clarifies Lupita’s position as an “authority figure” somewhat since his last post and with MSW’s previous post we may be starting to get an idea of who exactly this mysterious “Rose” could be. Share your thoughts in the comment below or at The Cantina.

 

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117 thoughts on “Rumor: Star Wars: The Force Awakens Scenes/Characters Described – Part III.

  • February 24, 2015 at 10:24 pm
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    The monster in the chair with an “oriental” look sounds like one of the Jabba mockups. Go back and watch some of those making of RoTJ bits, I remember as a kid seeing a TV special with Billy Dee and Salacious Crumb, and George Lucas showing all the concept mockups. One had a giant fat Gehghis Kahn vibe.

    It’s cool, but isn’t it weird there is so much reliance on old Mcquarrie work? Is there no creativity left? Between this and rebels…

    • February 25, 2015 at 12:10 am
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      disney is running the show. They are rebooting this and dissing creativity the same way they are rebooting and starting over again with The Muppets. Personally I detested the 2011 Muppets.

      • February 25, 2015 at 12:18 am
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        Using Ralph McQuarrie is “dissing creativity”.
        Holy fuck, I HATE this fucking fandom.

        • February 25, 2015 at 1:24 am
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          That’s right. It is. If you want proof, take a look at any Rebels episode and tell me Disney is being original.

          Using your own logic, Disney’s The Black Hole was an original movie because it blatantly ripped-off Star Wars IV, which was also an original movie.

          • February 25, 2015 at 1:27 am
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            Pretty soon, Disney/Lucasfilm will stop making Star Wars films because the studio would have copied every single McQuarrie painting and there would be no more ideas left to rip-off.

            As a side not, isn’t Doug Chiang still alive? I would love to see Disney obtain more visual ideas from him.

          • February 25, 2015 at 2:25 am
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            Doug Chiang is alive and has been working on episode 7 for about two years now.

          • February 26, 2015 at 2:56 am
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            100% ownage.

          • February 26, 2015 at 7:06 pm
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            LOL you destroyed him

          • February 25, 2015 at 3:47 am
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            Rebels is a kids show … and it’s FAR less dumb than the Ewok/Droid cartoon from my childhood.

            Hate to burst your bubble, but SW is, was and ever shall be aimed at children and adults. If you (like me) were a kid when the OT was in the theaters, then you’re a hypocrite. If you’re not old enough to remember those days, then you are sorely misguided. If you’re older than me, then you should lighten up.

          • February 25, 2015 at 4:30 am
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            The OT was kid friendly. Everything since has been kid targeted. There’s a big difference. Adults loved the originals too. Everything since, not so much.

          • February 25, 2015 at 6:22 am
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            Dude everything since the OT has been kid targeted. The OT and the merchandising contracts Lucas got created the market for youth targeted entertainment. If not for those movies and the endless tie ins we wouldn’t have seen the craze that became the 80’s marketplace for that stuff. Now that whole ecosystem has reached maturity. Can’t blame Disney for that.

          • February 25, 2015 at 7:24 am
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            Adults didn’t love the PT because the writing was flat and the characters dull. Episode I is kind of a kid’s movie, but considering how much children of the 80’s loved SW, it made sense to me (even in 1999) that Lucas would make one of the films more for the youngsters. Episode II is a standard action-romp & III gets dark and graphic (though, alas, nowhere near as profound as it should have been). The PT has glaring flaws, but they weren’t geared solely toward children either.

            As far as “everything else” WTF do you mean by everything?

            Some of the most successful SW media are the video games, many of which are far from kid-oriented. KOTOR, Force Unleashed, Battlefront, etc.

            The novels, comics, RPGs and other subsidiary properties were seldom marketed toward children. Though there were—and have always been—things like coloring books for preschoolers … Hell, I had more than one in 1984. Usually that kind of stuff is aimed at teens and younger adults, though I know plenty of folks in their 40s and even 50s who’ve enjoyed those things.

            The cartoons? Yeah they are for kids … like the majority of cartoons. And like Star Wars cartoons have always, always, always been. Imagining otherwise is simply incorrect. Feel free to go watch episodes of the Ewoks and Droids Adventure Hour, if you disbelieve me.

            Really, I don’t see how any SW fan could be so spiteful about TGFFA. Personally, I’m excited as hell by everything I’ve seen to date regarding Episode VII, and your statement that “everything” SW has been made for kid is wrong.

          • February 25, 2015 at 2:16 pm
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            Guys, are you seriously doing this? Get over it already. Or at least have such discussions in places where you have actual accounts and aren’t all “anonymous”. — Open a thread in the Cantina.

          • February 26, 2015 at 7:10 pm
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            I concur. Good idea!

          • February 25, 2015 at 8:43 pm
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            I’m 35, I’ve liked Star Wars since I was 4. I didn’t mind the PT at all. I liked the movies as a whole. The special effects were really good. Sure the writing was kinda flat in. Ep1-3 especially in 2. The fantasticClone Wars series made me look at 1-3 differently.

          • February 25, 2015 at 10:35 am
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            Word!

        • February 25, 2015 at 7:25 pm
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          I am trying really hard not to read spoilers. I have not read this article either. I am just trying to sneak this question in…Do the rumors point to a great film??? That is the only thing I’d like to know. Please respond without mentioning spoilers. with Thank you!

    • February 25, 2015 at 3:35 am
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      Awesome! I have always hoped they would use one or both of those mockups in some peripheral and atmospheric way (both the Asian warrior and the caterpillar creature).

    • February 25, 2015 at 12:18 pm
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      Good Call i was thinking the same thing,JJ and company share the same love for Ralphs stuff and alot of the unused stuff from the classic trilogy as we fans do.. this should be one heck of a movie,lots and lots of eye candy.

      should make for great repeat viewing.
      lucas tried with the prequels but alot of it as you know was too,distracting,too show offish. keep the focus on the story and characters,let all of this stuff be in the background keep in mind like ANH we will be getting background character action figures for decades LOL.

  • February 24, 2015 at 10:31 pm
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    Ralph McQuarrie had a wealth of unused work that deserves to be in the movies. One thing I hated about the prequels was the lack of McQuarrie’s style. I am over joyed that McQuarrie is the foundation for Star Wars again. Just like how HR Giger is Alien, Ralph McQuarrie is Star Wars!

    • February 25, 2015 at 12:09 am
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      Why push the limits when you can just recycle McQuarrie till the end of time. Fine, if that’s how you like it. At least the prequels tried to think for themselves; say what you like about the screenplay and acting, but you are an idiot if you think the production designs for I, II, and III were “bad.”

      • February 25, 2015 at 12:20 am
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        I think a lot of the prequel designs were really cool. However, they just didn’t have the Star Wars vibe. They were too generic-sci-fi in some areas. Just my thoughts.

        • February 25, 2015 at 12:51 am
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          The prequels did not have that sw magic. They for the most part, were science fiction movies with a sw flair.

          • February 25, 2015 at 1:31 am
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            I’m sorry, but when I see the podracers, the battle droids, Darth Maul, and the Federation ships, I don’t think “generic sci-fi,” I think STAR WARS… AWESOME!!!!!!!!!

            If you’re looking for “generic sci-fi,” try Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek Next Generation, and Firefly.

          • February 25, 2015 at 2:04 am
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            The prequel designs were inspired by a PT Cruiser

          • February 25, 2015 at 2:53 am
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            Firefly? Dude, you need to take that back. Unnecessary smack-talk – just not true or called-for.

          • February 26, 2015 at 5:28 pm
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            Oooh c’mon, nothing is more generic than Firefly. An overrated piece of garbage, basically.

          • March 3, 2015 at 4:36 am
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            I’m fine with both moving away completely from OT designs or just blatantly copying them, just don’t mix weird mediocre stuff with good OT designs like the PT did.

      • February 25, 2015 at 12:33 am
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        I don’t think you could blanket call everything designed for the PT bad, but yes, a lot of it, particularly the ships, I found to be boring to look at. But I agree that relying on McQuarrie too much is not good idea either.

        The job of the PT designers was to grow toward the OT. So using more of McQuarrie’s designs would have made more sense. But the job of ST design should be to move away from OT.

        I have often thought that if the PT designs had been used for this ST, I would have had a lot less problem with them.

        • February 25, 2015 at 1:34 am
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          I absolutely agree with you on everything you said. However, I find it puzzling and a little bit annoying that the production designers are carbon-copying everything McQuarrie-related and are NOT moving away from The OT era the same way the PT gradually moved towards the OT.

          The Force Awakens is set thirty years after Return of the Jedi but everything still looks like it was one day after Vader died!

          The story may be good, but I’m afraid this new film is not going to be as exciting to look at. Let’s hope I’m wrong.

          • February 27, 2015 at 8:50 pm
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            Are you serious? there is no scenario where this thing isn’t visually stunning. I swear to god you people are suffering from brain trauma.

        • February 25, 2015 at 11:38 pm
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          The spherical federation ships – seriously terrible.

          Very “we don’t gave circle ships yet – yea yea that’s a good idea”

          I still love them. I mean Natalie Portman is doing some of her best work in Sith. You know – the kind of work that the audience never sees

      • February 25, 2015 at 3:52 am
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        McQuarrie IS THE MASTER! Everyone else tries to copy him! Those skinny battle droids were pathetic! Darth Mauls insane clown posse slip knot make up is pathetic! Yoda looked horrible! Jabba and his family looked so stupid! Watto? WTF?! General Grievous’ design was based of a SPRAY BOTTLE! Horrible design!

        Ralph McQuarrie, Frank Oz and the rest of the OT art team were the MASTERS! No one does art like them anymore! Everyone is taught in art school how to copy them!

        EDUCATE YOURSELF!

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlcjTqxzWEk

        • February 25, 2015 at 4:55 am
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          Talk about educating yourself, Collin Cantwell deserves some of the credit being given to McQuarrie. Don’t get wrong, McQuarrie deserves high praise, but Cantwell was there at the start right with McQuarrie and the two together helped Lucas create Star Wars.

          There is a series of interviews on youtube where he shows the paintings and models he created that reveal if anything McQuarrie adapted some of his designs such as the X-Wing and TIE fighter. Here is one of the interviews where he talks about his early SW ideas:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXmBnNQlejw#t=347

        • February 25, 2015 at 9:43 am
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          You say for us to “educate” ourselves right after the paragraph where you put Frank Oz in the art team?

          I suppose you are harshly critical of Mark Hamill’s camera operating in ESB, too.

          • February 25, 2015 at 10:06 am
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            Yes you’re the idiot because Frank Oz is an artist.

          • February 26, 2015 at 9:50 am
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            There are a lot of skills in play on a film set, and there’s certainly an “art” to many of them. There’s an art to directing, there’s an art to cinematography and costume design and set design and acting…

            But the term “Art Team” is the Art Department. For the design of Yoda, that would be guys like Joe Johnston and Ralph McQuarrie. For the physical production of Yoda, there was Stuart Freeborn and his incredible team.

            They conceived and fabricated a wonderful Yoda for Frank Oz to puppeteer alongside assistant-puppeteer Kathy Smee.

            Frank Oz performed Yoda on the sound stage *after* the Art Department did their wonderful work.

          • February 26, 2015 at 10:09 am
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            *Correction: Kathy Smee was assistant puppeteer, but for Episode I.

            For Episode V, it was Katherine Mullen.

      • February 25, 2015 at 7:17 am
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        You seriously just trolling, right?

      • February 25, 2015 at 4:53 pm
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        lmfao….i really wish people would get over themselves and get a god damn clue…Ralph IS Star wars buddy…sorry to burst your PT loving bubble but it is the factual truth. could you imagine the ALien movies without H.R Giger’s imagery?……….i did not think so….. so imagine the real Star WArs fan’s first feelings when they went to see the phantom menace. it might as well have been “Willy Wonka returns to NArnia”….if those movies did not have lightsabers- ,r2-d2 and c3-po they wouldnt have passed as star wars movies and would have just been video game cut scenes… now thankfully….we will get the real star wars back….and i cant wait to see your tears and hear your cries when it comes out….bite me

  • February 24, 2015 at 10:34 pm
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    “Foosball” Fussball=Football=Soccer? Whaaat?!

    • February 24, 2015 at 10:47 pm
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      In America Foosball (Tischfußball) is a tabletop type game like air hockey or ping pong. Sadly we aren’t talking about Fußball

      • February 24, 2015 at 10:50 pm
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        Never played it…Now it makes more sense…Danke!

      • February 25, 2015 at 2:58 pm
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        Oh, it’s just table soccer, nothing special. I really hope they thought that through, and that is something we haven’t seen before. It would be awful if they’ve created sport that is common in present day, or new but not practical just for the sake of being in the movie.

      • February 25, 2015 at 4:57 pm
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        Foosball is the Devil Bobby

  • February 24, 2015 at 10:36 pm
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    i guess mcquarrie in order to have it closer to the ot, right?

    • February 25, 2015 at 1:39 am
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      i see they’re recycling mcquarrie till the end of time. There are other talented artists out there, you know Disney.

      I hope they aren’t altering the storyline so that it fits the stories depicted in the McQuarrie paintings.

  • February 24, 2015 at 10:39 pm
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    pretty sure to know wich is Lupita’s character…. from the concept arts

  • February 24, 2015 at 10:51 pm
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    Too much secrecy. When directors, writers and actors go on record stating how wonderful this is and that is yet wont reveal the title of the spin-off or the character they’re playing is just odd.

    • February 25, 2015 at 3:02 pm
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      True, ATLEAST some ARTWORKS, or promotional poster would be nice. It doesn’t need to be spoiler heavy at all.

      Even a single shot of a movie character would suffice without spoiling things every once in a while.

  • February 24, 2015 at 10:58 pm
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    Without more information Rose sounds like a terrible character and seems like a complete waste of Lupita’s talents

    • February 25, 2015 at 12:18 am
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      people also said vin diesel wasted his talent by playing a talking CG tree in guardians of galaxy, but people still showed up. I have no problem with Rose… as long as that’s not her real name.

      • February 27, 2015 at 9:57 am
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        Vin deasal wasted his talent? What talent?

        • February 27, 2015 at 10:00 am
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          Reminds me of the snl skit where sanatra is telling Luther Campbell of 2live crew that he’s got talent.

  • February 24, 2015 at 11:31 pm
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    I too think i know who Lupita is playing. There is concept art out that shows a small character with BB8 Daisy Ridleys character and a man who i could not recognise

    • February 25, 2015 at 12:23 am
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      I think I know which character is being described too, but I don’t recall the face resembling a human at all. Hmmm

  • February 25, 2015 at 12:12 am
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    So are we once again under the impression that Rey is the main protagonist of the film?

    I think that would be cool if she was the main star… what annoys me is all this back and forth stuff.

    • February 25, 2015 at 12:18 am
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      The back-and-forth is only because of the rumor and spoiler community :p

      • February 25, 2015 at 1:14 am
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        so what’s the real story?

        • February 25, 2015 at 1:20 am
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          If Rey is the main character and if she stays consistant through Episode IX, this will be the first lead female character in Star Wars who didn’t die or turn into a sex object tied in chains.

          • February 25, 2015 at 4:33 am
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            The hate for female sex objects has gone too far. lol

          • February 25, 2015 at 4:51 am
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            Despite the fact that the sex object still did something heroic despite that.

        • February 25, 2015 at 11:28 pm
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          The real story is going to be revealed in a movie that comes out in December.

  • February 25, 2015 at 12:22 am
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    I hope they play foosball with a mini BB-8.

  • February 25, 2015 at 1:16 am
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    Authority figure alien being 3 or 4 feet tall? Kinda gives me Yoda vibes.

  • February 25, 2015 at 1:17 am
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    Can anyone explain why there’s a pub in the old castle?

    • February 25, 2015 at 1:21 am
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      maybe darth plagueis comes out of his tomb once in a while to get a drink.

    • February 25, 2015 at 1:28 am
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      There isn’t, it’s probably the Mos Eisley Cantina.

      • February 25, 2015 at 1:36 am
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        I assumed that too, but what about the rumors during the flashback scene reported by making star wars.com, where Rey storms out of the pub and immediately after, looks back to see the Castle being shot down?

  • February 25, 2015 at 1:41 am
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    One thing is for certain:

    Once we hear a sampling of John Williams’ awesome new score, we’re not going to hear the tiresome phrase: “It’s McQuarrie inspired!” Thank God for that upcoming day.

  • February 25, 2015 at 1:53 am
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    Lupita plays the small blue alien bartender we seen in the MF.com concept art leaks.

    Only King3000 described her and a wounded along with a wounded Chewbacca before the actual leak.

    MSW shat all over it at the time.

    The amount of info King3000 has dropped only to be confirmed and reconfirmed is astounding!

  • February 25, 2015 at 2:51 am
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    I’m starting to actively seek out other sources for rumors and leaving Making Star Wars Rumors alone.

    The only that lines up before Making Star Wars Rumors went on their let binge, is the Mizzlewump outline which lines up with a lot of stuff before last week. And there is some stuff here mentioned like the key character death.

    Like some have pointed out here and at TFN, the opening sequence with the flashbacks is Abrams using his Star Trek scenes with younger legacy SW characters. Its freaking hilarious. The Gleason Skywalker son rumor came from Making’s 4 different sources who and they actively admit this. Abrams is controlling his sources and he deny all he wants. Just tune into the next podcast/radio show for ratings/downloads.

    But Making Star Wars Rumors doesn’t seem to care they get clicks. True or false rumors, click the article. Awesome! This shit is so funny. Good god, I hope SNL does a skit on this soon.

  • February 25, 2015 at 3:52 am
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    I really hope Lupita isn’t this Blue Alien at the bar concept.

    That character is Blue, with red Hair, there are pictures of it out there. Now will it look the same, who knows!

    I’d rather have her play like Ventress or even Ahsoka… Come on JJ!

    • February 27, 2015 at 10:04 am
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      I’m just glad she not playing ventress of ahoske

  • February 25, 2015 at 4:29 am
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    Did some digging and found this on a few websites about Lupita and Andy’s characters?

    The ambiguity? There are two aliens. One is old and one is young. Both characters generally appear gender neutral in most of the concept art. The old character appears wise. One early iteration had the character crafting a crystal for (I presume) a lightsaber. The younger version appears to be related to that character and is younger and inquisitive. Just a wild guess, but it appears one is Lupita Nyong’o and one is Andy Serkis.

    I don’t know about you guys but it sounds like Andy is playing the Blue alien? And Lupita is playing the older alien crafting the light saber? Sounds like Ahsoka to me…

    • February 26, 2015 at 1:48 am
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      Based on recent plot rumors, I guess that’s Poe holding the lightsaber before he stores it inside BB-8.

  • February 25, 2015 at 6:21 am
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    So I would like to hear people’s interpretations on what the flashback scenes are about as reported on MSW.

    Much of this information seems well coded, and I hate to speculate. I would be interested in hearing what you all think of this.

    • February 25, 2015 at 7:29 am
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      Based on what was reported:

      Spoilers…?

      It reads like Luke starts a Jedi Academy, something goes wrong (I assume Kylo turns to dark side, which may not be really hashed out), he (or she) kills Luke’s jedi students (my assumption), perhaps confronts Rey.
      Luke and Rey split up because of “macguffin” reasons (whatever Kylo’s after –assuming lightsaber, but it could be something bigger).

      I realize flashbacks “never happen in SW” but really…it’s been 30 years. I don’t want heavy exposition by every character in every dialogue. The more I think about it, the more I see it being almost necessary. It should be done sparingly and succintly, but yeah…

      I still wanted Luke (Mark Hamill, that is) to be in it more than five seconds.

      One other thing:
      Where does Plageuis or whomever Andy Serkis plays comes into this? If Luke is not to be found until the last five seconds, what about this dark side that has been awakened?

  • February 25, 2015 at 7:42 am
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    What a bunch of wingers some of you are! Not happy unless your bitching about somthing!

    • February 25, 2015 at 4:31 pm
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      wingers? you mean like chicken wingers?

    • February 25, 2015 at 11:30 pm
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      Please tell me this is a reference to Bill Murray’s character in Stripes.

  • February 25, 2015 at 9:23 am
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    Not sure where else to put this so:

    Is Shadows of the empire canon? The outrider can be seen in the special edition so…

    And I also the more Mcquarie the better!

    • February 25, 2015 at 1:01 pm
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      The EU has become a mine of elements from which Disney and Lucasfilm extract anything that interests them, so legally, the use of isolated components from Shadows of the Empire doesn’t make the entire story canon, only the existence of a vehicle that looks like the Outrider (and may indeed be that exact craft).

    • February 25, 2015 at 4:00 pm
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      I had always understood Shadows of the Empire to be official sanctioned canon. I thought it was an orchestrated multi-media universe expansion directed by Lucas personally.

      I didn’t get broke up about blowing up the EU because I always understood even going back to when Heir to Empire was first released, that Lucas was letting people play in his sandbox, but he would never be bound by anything the created. With the sale to Disney it would make sense that they exert the same right.

      I haven’t seen any mention of Shadows of the Empire one way or another, but my understanding at the time was it was official canon. I’m guessing that has changed with the new structure.

      • February 25, 2015 at 5:41 pm
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        With the new structure it is indeed no longer canon. That doesn’t mean elements of it can’t be brought forward. The Lucasfilm Story Group can canonize elements that they deem fit into the larger picture. I think at best only the outrider will be canonized. Without even telling us who the pilot is.

        • February 25, 2015 at 11:35 pm
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          Fair enough, I was just wondering and I hadn’t seen anyone else discuss Shadows of the empire. I remember at the time I was excited to find out what happened between empire and Jedi. Stuff like Leia getting her boussh bounty hunter gear etc was cool.
          Out of all the EU stuff it strikes me as the only release that could be considered canon but if it’s not so be it, I’m not going to cry about it.

  • February 25, 2015 at 9:29 am
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    That photo looks like probably car-retailer JJ and Lupita are having a lot of silly jokes. Threre is much laughing and bantering on the set. Fantastic

  • February 25, 2015 at 4:40 pm
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    Holy whining about everything batman. Good lord. sigh. ah the internet… I just can’t wait to return to the galaxy far, far away. Complaining about too much McQuarrie now?? really?? Its star wars, it has a look, a feel. yes some things will be the same, some things new, and overall we hope itll “feel” like star wars. if you desperately desire so much change or tired of this and that blah blah blah, then watch something else? Try another franchise? Thank god I grew up when I did, when we actually enjoyed this stuff, warts and all, and were able to suspend disbelief for a few hours and just get lost. Im not making excuses for bad story telling, acting etc etc, but good lord these movies work better when watched through a child’s eye. cant wait for more xwings, tie fighter, jedi, light sabers, mythological-like stories. cant wait to ENJOY. the greatest thing they could have done was mine Mcquarrie paintings for all their worth. hell yes. so many see every tiny flaw, i see starships, distant worlds and heroes and villains, and for a while, im transported off this cynical rock…cheers

  • February 25, 2015 at 5:40 pm
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    So, do we all believe that Luke has only three to five seconds of screentime?

    • February 25, 2015 at 6:04 pm
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      I really hope not. I always wanted to see him as the Jedi Master in action. To think I’ll have to wait until episode VIII for that is maddening.

      • February 25, 2015 at 11:32 pm
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        It seemed cheap at first, but, knowing that there will be more, the way they reveal Luke might be really cool. Like….”THE CHAMP IS HERE” cool.

  • February 25, 2015 at 6:31 pm
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    It was cool to see mark hamill on screen again on the kings man even tho it was only like 5 mins and he dies. I hope the next trailer gives us some kind of plot details or something more so we can stop guessing. Hurry up Star Wars celebration!!!

  • February 25, 2015 at 6:35 pm
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    Yea right, Disney and JJ are gonna waste the unique and beautiful features, elegance and grace of Lupita on a cgi alien dwarf.
    This would be a crime in any universe.

    • February 26, 2015 at 5:40 pm
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      Agreed!! I’ve loved the diversity of this cast and it would be a shame to put an Oscar winning black actress behind a mask, whether it’s digital or physical.

  • February 25, 2015 at 8:14 pm
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    I kind of hope that Luke Skywalker is like the Dr. Manhattan of Jedi. Who needs force choking or lightning when he can make people explode at will? Or teleport to any location in the galaxy in an instant? Experience every moment of his life simultaneously as he has developed a non-linear view of time itself? Yet he struggles to maintain a connection to sentient life in the universe as he has become enlightened to the deeper matters of the force…Okay, so maybe not as extreme as the blue Dr. but you get the point. I hope Luke has a sizable role and that he rocks.

  • February 25, 2015 at 8:44 pm
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    And now something completely different, could she play a Yoda’s species character?

  • February 25, 2015 at 9:23 pm
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    I am still finding around that she is playing “An elderly orange skinned alien female”.

    These new reports of Lupita doing some puppet stuff? While sounds like it could be the head part of Ahsoka her tentacles…(So called practical effects right)

    Also there was reports some time ago of Lupita having mo-cap dots on her face? There are lines and markings on Ahsoka’s face so perhaps they mo-caped them, also the aged of Ahsoka’s skin?

    Now I remember a while back there was reports of Lupita trying on sith eyes?

    In that picture there Lupita has a green tape on her teeth? Is it a joke or does her Character have a missing tooth…

    All these hints scream an old Ahsoka tano, it makes sense to merge Clone wars into the new and also Ahsoka is popular. She also is at Disney’s star wars weekends.

    My 2 cents..

  • February 25, 2015 at 9:54 pm
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    Ya know, I’m a life long fan, since 1976, when the novelization of a new hope came out. I had every toy possible, I even applied for the early bird action figure set. I know these films as well as I know myself, and could teach a class on them, but I don’t care what anybody says, I cannot shake the feeling that this movies seems like expanded universe stuff. The definition of EU is anything not written or produced by George Lucas himself, and these new movies fit into that category without a doubt. I just can’t get too excited about it now that Lucas’s stories have been replaced, no matter if Kasdan is involved. I will see it dozens of times, but, it just will not have the same effect on me as before. So, go ahead and trash me Lucas haters, I don’t care. It’s the honest truth.

  • February 25, 2015 at 10:15 pm
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    I wasn’t a fan of 12 years a slave…so I’m not real stoked about N’yong in Episode 7 in any capacity.

    Her inclusion is just another clue that TFA is most likely going to suck. Fanboys will say I’m hating, but I’m just being realistic.

    TFA will be like the new Robocop reboot…all style, zero substance which eschews all of the deeper aspects of the OT in favor of special effects, which will be compounded by shabby acting from overrated actors like N’yong.

    The writing is on the wall…people are going be calling for George to comeback, and lamenting his selling of LucasFilm to Disney.

    • February 25, 2015 at 10:31 pm
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      You’re right, it’s going to suck. People are happy that lucas is gone, but without him it’s just EU crap. 12 years a slave sucked, shouldnt have won best picture. LONG LIVE AMERICAN HUSTLE!!

      • February 26, 2015 at 1:05 am
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        EU is precisely what TFA will be…it’s gonna to be big, it’s going to be dumb, and it’s going to be clunky….and a lot of fans are going to absolutely hate it.

        All of the things that made the OT, and some bits and pieces of the PT great, will be totally absent in JJ Abram’s adaption.

        Fans are going to be pissed off when they leave the theater…and of course, there will be a segment of fandom that takes to the internet and praises JJ’s shitfest as pure genius…

        So expect an action packed round forthcoming of OT diehard fans vs newbie ST fans…which should prove to be very fun =)

        • February 26, 2015 at 6:51 pm
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          I’m glad there are still people that think like me, there will be plenty of people that try to praise J.J. for the film. What I can’t wait for is the people that come out of the woodwork to cry and whine about Lucas being gone, the same people that dissed him just a few years ago will be wishing he was back. Wait in see. I’m looking more forward to that than the movie. I just pray John Williams lives long enough to make it through these movies. He’s the last thing left. If he goes, I go. LOL

  • February 25, 2015 at 11:11 pm
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    “Rose” is the one bringing forth the visions or flashbacks with her alien psychic abilities if you are to believe the reports . A very sneaky way to bring in a new style of story telling in Star Wars movies i say. Don’t know if I like it or not , feels out of place somehow. Just have to wait and see the movie i guess. Could be cool and could be horrible . All I know is that the awesome flashbacks in the intro too lord of the rings are some of my favorite scenes of the movies. If they do it well with some evil Vader scene it could help set an epic tone and depth to the story. If they do it wrong it will just be clumsy over explanatory storytelling that will further demystify the Star Wars universe like much of the prequels did.

    • February 26, 2015 at 6:58 pm
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      Man, flashbacks have no place in Star Wars. Another sign of how they are going to mess this up. I would rather have Jar Jar Binks as the main character than screw with the “Star Wars style” Such a bummer. My fingers are crossed that Lucas’s stories being thrown out is just a clever rouse by the man to get everyone to leave him alone about Star Wars. That could very well be true. It wouldn’t be the first time he’s done something like this. The people at Disney have yet to confirm this, so, there is still hope. This is generic star wars folks. Would you rather have cheap knockoff brand of cookies from the dollar store or the real keebler kind? LoL

      • February 27, 2015 at 12:45 am
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        “Now matters are worse.”

        “I’ve got a bad feeling about this ”

        I get why fans are throwing those lines in now.

        I keep looking at the concept art released months ago and it all looks exciting
        but I’m not thrilled with some of the plots being revealed in them..

  • February 26, 2015 at 2:25 am
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    I would like to see an article with all of the most recent ideas put together in a plot synopsis.

    Theres been rumors of Hutts and all kinds of things, but I have YET to see a comprehensive article of the plot points.

    • February 27, 2015 at 2:15 pm
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      OPENING CRAWL: Blah blah blah…something about trade negotiations, clans, and Tarkins…

      Camera follows floating lightsaber down to SAVANNAH PLANET
      A Coke bottle…errrr…lightsaber falls from the sky, and Naka the Peasant sets stuff on fire. Hilarity ensues on the Savannah planet.
      Naka takes the lightsaber to the Vicar (MvS), and he calls the Rebel police force
      Later than night, Poe shows up to get the lightsaber from the Vicar— and the bad guys show up too. First appearance of Kylo– it’s spectacular. He burns the village down with the help of flame thrower troopers.
      Poe hides the saber in his droid, BB-8. The droid rolls away, while Poe stays behind to kick ass and to get captured.
      During the fight, Finn’s best friend gets offed. In his despair, Finn allows the innocent villagers to escape.
      Angered, Kylo stops the battle and arrests Finn because he just isn’t evil enough to be a good stormtrooper.
      Finn is thrown in a Star Destroyer brig with a captured Poe— and they hatch an escape plan to trick the guards and hijack a ship.
      Finn & Poe escape in a TIE fighter— and presumably crash because Finn is sitting on Poe’s lap, obscuring the control panel.

      SAND PLANET (AKA: NOT TATOOINE)
      The duo crash on a sand planet—not called Tatooine.
      Poe’s X-wing crashes into the sand planet when BB-8 tries to bring the ship to his master and realizes he’s an astromech, not a pilot.
      Rey finds the Poe/Finn and helps them salvage their ships
      Kira lives in an AT-AT, and rides her speeder down ‘Main Street’ looking for parts and engaging with pirates
      The group goes to a star port, and Kira and Finn contemplate stealing a ‘hunk of junk”: yes, the FALCON. Before doing that, they stop into a cantina for a drink.
      In the cantina, the group meets an old smuggler and current general of a star destroyer: Han Solo. Meanwhile, Chewbacca is ripping patrons’ arms off (including Simon Pegg’s). Rey doesn’t know Han, but maybe she does (we’ll find out in Episode VIII)
      The trio start rambling about a lightsaber, and Han agrees to introduce them to an old buddy who knows something about lightsabers. But no one knows where Luke is!
      Outside the cantina, a star destroyer blows up and crashes into the desert
      Poe takes off, and leaves his lightsaber-carrying mech droid behind. (will show up again in Episode VIII?)
      Rey, Finn, and BB-8 steal the Falcon! As they escape the planet in the Falcon, TIE Fighters chase them down- SPACE BATTLE!
      The Falcon gets swallowed by a GIANT freighter filled with Han, Chewie, and GANGS!
      Han wants his ship back. Han and Chewie board the Falcon. Han says : “Chewie, we’re back home!”
      Rey sabotages the Falcon by pulling out the circuit breaker and Finn plays some chess.
      Meanwhile, the Mods and Rockers are starting to rumble ala West Side Story. All hell breaks loose.
      Rey plugs the circuit breaker back into the Falcon, Chewie gets shot, and the heroes narrowly escape– smashing a few aliens on the windshield in the process.

      JUNGLE PLANET/YAVIN
      They all fly to Yavin to ask Leia where her brother is. Leia is wearing grey. She tells them he might be a crazy cyborg in an evil castle on an ice planet not called Hoth. Han and Leia are mad at each other, and she stays behind to lead the Republic and to finalize the plans for using her new super weapon
      Everyone (except Leia,her droids, and Poe) hop on the Falcon and fly to the evil castle on the ice planet.
      The chrome trooper commander (CAPTAIN PHASMA) and her jungle troopers show up to blow stuff up, but they’re too late. The heroes escape.

      ICE PLANET
      On the ice planet, Han starts going through withdrawal, so they go to Rose’s Pub for a few drinks.
      Rocker #3 followed the group to the planet, and hangs out at the pub.
      Rose is a motion-captured puppet who offers up peyote. They have a vision quest in her pub’s basement.
      While they’re tripping into the past and seeing scenes of dead bodies, looting, the 7, and clans attacking each other, Kylo and his fur-coated stormtroopers are attacking her pub.
      In the vision, Kylo walks up to Rey and reminds her how evil he is—and they knew each other when they were kids! Also, she knew a 20-something Luke Skywalker and a sad R2. She was part of a Jedi cult that was wiped out by Kylo and/or a rich man (who many or may not be the Vicar)— it’s all a little unclear on PURPOSE since it’s a vision quest. There’s a voiceover that will explain the vision.
      Rose shows Rey the lightsaber that’s been hidden in BB-8; Rey throws up in disgust, and Finn discards his pacifist ways to embrace the laser sword. He’s much better at using the sword, than the blaster. (Will be addressed in Episode IX).
      Everything’s in chaos. Kylo chases the group into a secret passage, and Rose uses the FORCE to kill some storrmtroopers
      A moon gets blown up while they’re in the pub— Han reacts! Chewie rips off another arm and goes back to the Falcon, but is shot AGAIN in the process, losing his arm. He’s a cyborg wookie now.
      Kylo goes outside and shoots down the Falcon AND captures Rey and takes her to the evil castle. There’s Force-filled Jedi mind-trick failures between the two of them.
      Kylo talks to holographic ZOMBIE of Darth Ruin (CODENAME: UBER), who commends him and encourages him to go be evil in his castle.
      The group (minus Rey) navigates the tunnels, fly the Falcon, and converges at the evil castle…which is also a Sith temple!!!
      Han and Finn are trying to take down the shields. Han hides in the shadows.
      Meanwhile Luke’s son (Domnhall Gleeson) is an Imperial commander who has decided to use Death Star 3 to destroy the ice planet. Death Star 3 is there only weapon that can destroy the planet with the super-weapon. The Jungle Planet is really some type of un-describable super weapon.

      SPACE BATTLE!

      In the evil castle/sith temple, Kylo busts in and reveals he’s Han’s son. Rey shouts, “You’ll never be as powerful as Darth Vader!”
      Kylo takes out his pent up aggression, and murders his dad in cold blood showing he may be as evil as Darth Vader, and proving himself to be evil to his new Master: Darth Codename Uber. The Han scene is moving/ everyone will cry (and wonder why he wasn’t in a scene with Luke).
      Everyone runs away. The Falcon is taking off and Rey and Kylo have an epic duel on a snowy mountain. It’s a draw, and Rey escapes on the Falcon.
      A chrometrooper commander, wielding a wampa lightsaber, shows up with some snow troopers, but she’s too late to the fight. She gets back in her new TIE Fighter and heads home (saving her for Episode IX)
      Leia is involved in the 3rd Act and has one of the most powerful scenes in the movie….
      The droids use their computational power to crack a code and learn where Luke’s been all along— guarding the tomb of the Unknown Sith! It’s clear that the crystal opens a tomb.
      Chewie quickly repairs Falcon. Rey learns to fly the Falcon and takes off with Chewie to see Luke.
      Luke’s son, fires the Imperial super weapon and blows up the planet. It’s hard core. (more of him in Episode VIII)
      Kylo is holding Vader’s mask on the bridge of a star destroyer (the scene of him returning to the star destroyer will be added in the SE). He puts the mask on and laughs. When Kylo’s not chasing down random a stormtrooper for being a *****, he’s a Sith relic hunter. Darth Ruin is in a hologram, and tells Kylo “We shall watch your career with great interest.”
      Rey returns the lightsaber to Luke, they spar, and then they hug and she implies “I love you…dad.” There isn’t any dialog. Luke gets creepy and there’s a Phantom of the Opera moment. Luke uses the saber crystal to open the Tomb of the Unknown Sith. In it DARTH PLAGUEIS awakens….
      pan out, cue music, roll credits.

      • February 27, 2015 at 7:45 pm
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        Does not seem to be right about Luke opening a Sith tomb.Unless he is crazy old Luke after all.

        The rebels having the super weapon now?
        And Leia is in charge of it?

        Carrie Fisher said she was miscast in the movie.Interesting comment to make.

  • February 26, 2015 at 3:59 pm
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    This bored me considerably. But on a more positive note to raise your mood. Maybe there will be an Aliens 5 !!!!!!! yipeee

  • February 27, 2015 at 12:40 am
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    I think I have those concept art prints .
    Anyone who was a fan back then could have bought the sets .
    If you were lucky to find them.

    The blue green hunchback alien looks like the blue alien in ROTJ that appears in the Jabba palace scene before the band plays.

    I’m suspicious of these rumours.

  • February 27, 2015 at 4:29 am
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    This flashback business is off the wall BS, if you look at the shear number of the scenes, it would take up 20 or more minutes of the film.

    To have Luke in one scene at the very end, BS, fans want to see him more than Han and Leia combined. The negative reactions coming from moviegoers afterwards would bust the B.O.

    The graceful and gorgeous Lupita reduced to a old orange cgi alien dwarf is ludicrous. Her physical talents and features scream Sith. This would be a waste and horrendous casting.

    These so called leaks are misdirection, they have to be Arndt’s old script, the OT three reduced to supporting cameo’s, focusing on the young ones. After reading about this, I can not fathom them taking place and therefore can see why JJ trashed the script and rewrote it keeping some elements.

    Everyone seemed to have forgooten (including myself) with all the leaks, etc. the leaked enhanced photo of the Nightsister from late May last year. Not a hint or word since June, misdirection going on since with apparent success by Disney, because our attention has been directed elsewhere.

    I do like the idea of “The Seven”, who are they, some suggested pirates, but just those two words and how they are used hint at something more ominous and mysterious, not worldly. The first thing that popped into my head if someone said The Seven, would be the Seven Sisters, I will leave it at that.

  • February 28, 2015 at 10:07 pm
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    Hey, you guys are talking about The Seven in the flashback scenes. Could it be The Seven are reference to Dark Jedi from the old EU, but in this case Sith? I know its obvious since all the students at the Academy are slaughtered but this concept was present int he Jedi Knight computer game. The Seven Dark Jedi are associated with Jerec, the main villain of the game.

  • March 1, 2015 at 1:42 am
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    I see now, the pirates are the Seven. Pirates who can kill Jedi younglings. Not cowardly in the least.

  • March 1, 2015 at 6:25 am
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    Kybo Ren is the leader of the pirates/Seven who slaughters the Jedi at the temple. He kidnaps Adam Driver as a child. Kylo is not his real name. Driver is adopted by Kybo who names him Kylo. Kybo is prematurely killed and Kylo eventually raised by Serkis/Darth Gollum/Nero.

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