Star Wars Rebels: “Wolves and a Door” and “A World Between Worlds” Review and Rebels Recon

Warning! Spoilers Ahead!

I’ve been a huge fan of this show since it debuted in 2013. The characters, the connections to other parts of canon, whether it be The Clone Wars, original trilogy, or prequels, it has always excelled in making the universe all feel connected. Which is why I’m in absolute awe of these two episodes. The connections are there. We finally get some sort of resolution or idea of plots that have been gnawing away at fans for years and it ultimately sets up Rebels for an absolutely grand finale that I don’t think any of us are quite ready for.

 

As I always do, lets start with what I liked:

 

Plot Twist! There’s a lot!

 

 

After complaining about those damn Loth-Wolves last week, I’m glad we finally got some type of answer on what they are and what they’ve been doing for the crew. They’ve always been guides, but I just really like the way they were utilized in this episode. They literally move the story along with Ezra and the gang on their backs, and I really loved how afraid Zeb was of them initially. The most “scary” and animal like member is afraid of these big furry wolves – maybe it’s just my humor, but I loved it. The hyperspace-like loop that recapped the events of the show was a really beautiful and effective moment for me that highlighted some of the most important moments throughout the show, and I thought it was a great tribute to the journey they have all been on.

 

 

Let’s talk about the Empire and it’s wonderfully evil leader, Emperor Palpatine, being voiced by the man himself Ian McDiarmid. I love Sam Witwer, and he does a great Emperor voice, but you just can’t beat the real thing. The moment he went on screen and I heard his voice I just couldn’t help but have a big smile on my face, he’s just so effortlessly evil and intimidating, and I didn’t quite realize how much I missed hearing his voice. I also quite liked the inclusion of Minister Hyden voiced by the equally legendary Malcolm McDowell. He was a different kind of Imperial, and you could easily see why he worked for the Emperor and why he would help him. He’s very inquisitive and while I don’t think we’ll see him again, he added to the episode.

 

 

The Empire itself in this episode had a very Indiana Jones Nazi feel. A force of evil looking for ancient artifacts to help it in it’s push to rule everything, sounds very familiar, right?

 

 

It seems like the last two major releases from Lucasfilm, have really been pushing the boundaries of what the Force can do, and I adore the weird places that Filoni and the writers have taken it. We got a continuation from the Mortis arc in the Clone Wars while simultaneously pushing that story a little deeper and seeing what else it can do. The temple itself was very cool to me and with the inclusion of quotes from prequel era characters, Obi-Wan and Yoda in the originals and even Jyn Erso and Rey really added a lot of depth to the mysticism that made these episodes really work for me. To me, that’s how the force works.

 

 

AHSOKA!?! Finally after two seasons of wondering what the hell happened to her, we finally saw it! If you had asked me, saved by future Ezra would not have been on my radar on how she made it out alive with her fight with her former master. It was so good to see something from her again and the sage wisdom she gives Ezra just feels like the best kind of Star Wars to me. I really enjoyed the similarities between Ezra and Anakin in the moment when we wanted to save Kanan. It sounded word for word what Anakin said when he wanted to do for Padmè and having Ahsoka talk him down was a nice touch and really brought it home for me.

 

 

The only problem I really had with these two episodes, are the exact opposite of what I had last week. While last week’s episodes were kind of top heavy, with the exciting stuff happening at the front, this week’s felt very bottom heavy. While the first half was setup, it did drag a little bit for me in places.

 

 

I’m incredibly excited to see next week’s series finale. This episode really highlighted for me just how much Dave Filoni gets Star Wars and how I’ll be very disappointed if he doesn’t direct or write a live-action film one day. He worked side by side with “The Maker” himself, and it just makes sense to me. On every level, his writing and knowledge of the lore make this Star Wars fan happy, and I’m positive he has one hell of a finale planned for us.

 

 

Score: 9/10

 

Also, be sure to check out this week’s episode of Rebels Recon before you go!

 

 

 

UPDATE

 

Twitter user and Star Wars fan, William Devereux, has created a comprehensive list of the voices uttered by Jedi and other significant characters from across the “Star Wars” galaxy heard in last nights episode of Star Wars Rebels:  ‘A World Between Worlds’. Ezra Bridger hears these voices when he falls through a doorway created by the Loth-wolf paintings and lands on a transparent pathway, suspended in a seemingly infinite starscape.

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126 thoughts on “Star Wars Rebels: “Wolves and a Door” and “A World Between Worlds” Review and Rebels Recon

  • February 27, 2018 at 4:38 pm
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    Definitely an homage to Raiders of the Lost Arc. Even the music.

    Where did Ahsoka end up? I happened so fast that I missed it.

    • February 27, 2018 at 4:52 pm
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      She went back into the portal she came out of. Back to Malachor walking towards that cave that we saw at the end of season 2.

      • February 27, 2018 at 4:54 pm
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        Oh, so we’re still left with the open-ended thought of ‘is she alive’ or not? Ugh!

        • February 27, 2018 at 5:07 pm
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          No it’s not open ended she is clearly alive.

          • February 27, 2018 at 5:11 pm
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            Yes, but won’t she be repeating the events that led up to her fight with Vader… and the fight. So, does she learn from her earlier choices, and make a different outcome now? Or not? That’s now the conundrum – right?

          • February 27, 2018 at 5:16 pm
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            It’s a separate part of the temple that she goes back into after the fight happens. You see her entering right after Vader emerges breathing his raspy, almost injured breaths and we see the convor in that moment.

          • February 27, 2018 at 5:31 pm
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            Okay… I think I get it now. Thanks!

          • February 27, 2018 at 5:39 pm
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            Happy to help!

          • February 27, 2018 at 5:22 pm
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            The way it plays out is that it was always that way to begin with. That is why we clearly see her alive going deeper into the temple at the end of Twilight of the Apprentice. Ahsoka has always had her fight with Vader, vanished with the temple collapsing and returning after Vader had left thinking her dead.

            As one Doctor Who episode put it: “The destiny trap. You can’t change history if you’re part of it.”

          • February 27, 2018 at 5:23 pm
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            She’s returned to the sith temple after her fight with Vader. So there is nothing for her to repeat.

  • February 27, 2018 at 5:22 pm
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    I’m probably in the minority, but I wanted Ahsoka to be dead. I don’t like the idea there’s still two extra Force users running around.

    The Emperor though, can’t ever get enough of him. Awesome stuff.

    • February 27, 2018 at 5:35 pm
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      To be honest there are most likely millions or even billions of force users running around out there during the OT trilogy time. Let’s keep in mind that Jedi and Sith aren’t the only force users in the galaxy (i.e. the Bendu and the Lothwolves). I know what you’re saying though or at least I think I know what you’re attempting to say. You’re saying you don’t like the idea that there are possibly one or two other Jedi/former Jedi still out there running around is that right?

      • February 27, 2018 at 5:43 pm
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        I, for one, am really happy with Dave Filoni’s ‘expansion’ of the force. Jedi and Sith are a ‘religion’. The force is not exclusive to them.

        This is one of the big missed opportunities of Last Jedi – and perhaps it will be intertwined in Episode 9. Similar to how religion tells us that Good and Evil are in an eternal conflict – playing out all around us. Jedi and Sith are just small conduits for a greater war. (IMO)

        • February 27, 2018 at 5:52 pm
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          Absolutely, though I’ll say The Last Jedi did touch on it a little bit. With Luke telling Rey that the Force doesn’t belong to the Jedi or the Sith. Though, I definitely wished the film would’ve dived deeper into it but it was it is I guess lol. Also I will say Filoni has done a great job at expanding our understanding of how the force works and who can use it.

      • February 27, 2018 at 6:20 pm
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        Yeah I should have clarified Jedi/ex-Jedi.
        I just thought that the ending of Season 2 was a very poetic death for Ahsoka, I just felt she should stay dead.
        Ezra they can keep him tied to Lothal, cut him off from the Force, or something (if they’re afraid to kill him off).

        • February 27, 2018 at 6:39 pm
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          I definitely agree I absolutely love her “end” in S2. Here’s hoping her inevitable future end whenever that maybe (be it in the finale or at a later date) is equally as poetic. Though if Filoni is involved I’m sure it will be (and let’s be honest there is no way he would t be involved whenever she does meet her eventual end).

          ps.
          I like your name 😉

  • February 27, 2018 at 5:47 pm
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    So is Ahsoka in the past now? Time travel in Star Wars isn’t something I want or need to see. The shark is very close to being jumped right now.

    • February 27, 2018 at 6:06 pm
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      No, from Ahsoka’s point of view we only got a glimpse of what happened to her after her battle with Vader. Look at the scene again, it still ends with her walking into that triangle, just like in season 2’s finale.
      They talk about this in Rebels Recon.

      This wasn’t time travel. See it more like a different version of Yoda and Luke “things you will see” scene from ESB.

      • February 27, 2018 at 6:20 pm
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        But Ezra pulled her out of a battle that was taking place before Ezra went into the portal. So when Ezra leaves the portal he is in the present (season 4) while Ahsoka is back where we last saw her (season 2) unless somehow 2 years worth of time happened after she returned. It still doesn’t explain where she is during the OT and why she doesn’t want to stop the Empire. She was ready to give her life for the cause but now, Eh shes good.

        • February 27, 2018 at 6:27 pm
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          First Rebels isn’t finished yet. So who is to say she is still around during the OT? Second Ezra didn’t fully pss through the portal did he? I could’ve sworn he only reached in and grabbed her. hmm I’m definitely going to have to rewatch this episode for sure lol so much happens! Also if she does live past the series finale who is to say that she hasn’t seen a vision of the future from the Force telling her not to get involved in order for Luke to fulfill his destiny or? Or something like that (that’s just one way I can think of to explain her absence I’m sure the professionals at Lucasfilm can think of a bunch more probably a lot better than mine lol)

          • February 27, 2018 at 10:06 pm
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            even then when she fall into the portal there is what looks like broken glass (a broken reality maybe) so it looks like there may actually be a consequence to this.

        • February 28, 2018 at 5:43 pm
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          Again, from Ahsoka’s point of view, these events happened right after her battle with Vader in season 2’s finale.
          From Ezra’s point of view, these events happened in the present day, season 4.

          However, because they’re both in the “world beyond worlds”, it doesn’t really matter, because at the end, they’re both back in their own present time. So, no time travel, we still don’t know what happens with Ahsoka after her battle with Vader and meeting Ezra. Again, for her, it still is the end of season 2.

          I really don’t think there’s gonna be time travel. What’s important here, is the choices the characters make and what they learn from it.

          Regarding Ahsoka, she could be anywhere during the OT. Knowing Filoni, he’s probably not done with her, maybe he even has some ideas, as clearly he knew this scene would happen two years ago, when Topps released his series of cards.

          My two cents? She’s already (in the process of becoming) the new Mortis Daughter.

    • February 27, 2018 at 6:10 pm
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      I mean yeah it’s my understanding that she is in the past now. Though I guess if you want to be technical lol and I’m not one to usually be technical. But I’m having a hard time stopping myself in this case lol. Did anyone even technically travel through time? I suppose what I’m getting at is that Ezra was in a place that was outside of time and was able to alter it however he didn’t fully travel to the past and save Ashoka. Likewise, Ashoka was saved and then briefly transported to a realm outside of time (so not the future, past, or present). So at least how I view it is nobody really travels through time. (I guess that’s just my interpretation of it maybe?). Also there are instances where characters have been placed somewhere where they experienced time differently then the rest of the galaxy (Mortis and even apparently Dagobah) So time being messed with isn’t anything new to the Star Wars universe. I’m not saying you’re wrong or anything for not liking the idea of time travel in Star Wars it does definitely feel weird in a way. Lol sorry if none of what I said made any sense I kinda had a thought when I read your comment and started commenting as I was having it.

      • February 27, 2018 at 6:30 pm
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        I kinda agree with you. I saw this as the ending of Interstellar (If you have not seen it SPOILERS AHEAD). Cooper travels to the fifth dimension, there he alters some events of the past. He never traveled back in time, he simply made some changes from a place where all time and space serve as a physical representation.

        • February 27, 2018 at 6:32 pm
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          Nice reference. Love that movie!

          • February 27, 2018 at 6:36 pm
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            Same here! Interstellar changed my life haha! I didn’t like much of last night’s episodes of Rebels, I thought they opened a door they shouldn’t have when they introduced time travel and all of that. But now that I’ve read a lot of different opinions and even Dave Feloni’s explanation I like what I saw. It wasn’t time travel per se. It’s weird. But I like it.

      • February 27, 2018 at 6:38 pm
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        This is my interpretation too. There really was no time travel.

      • February 27, 2018 at 6:47 pm
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        Ezra alter the past. Is that considered time travel? Also Ahsoka is now living in a time that is 2 years prior to when Ezra came in and left the portal. When you start altering timelines is when you get yourself into really messy storytelling.

    • February 28, 2018 at 4:19 am
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      She came out on Malachor probably. But as for when, we don’t know. She could be in the sequel trilogy time line. or even far in the past.

  • February 27, 2018 at 5:54 pm
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    One of my favorite Rebel episodes. As soon as Ezra gets into the temple and you can hear Qui-Gon speaking, I was on the edge of my seat. Then hearing Iconic quotes from characters from all over the timeline was just awesome. Star Wars is at its best I think, when there is an acknowledgement of all trilogies (I know that may not be a popular opinion, but that’s how I feel).

    • February 27, 2018 at 8:20 pm
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      Agreed. The sound editing was amazing.

      • February 28, 2018 at 2:56 am
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        Definitely very well done.

  • February 27, 2018 at 6:19 pm
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    I stopped watching after season 2, I feel curious about this last six episodes, if I pick it up just now, will I get it or do I have to go all through season 3?

    • February 27, 2018 at 6:19 pm
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      You’ll get it.

      • February 27, 2018 at 6:20 pm
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        Thanks!

    • February 27, 2018 at 11:30 pm
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      You can pick it up, but I would at least watch all of Season 4 or read summaries online of the season and a half you missed.

      • February 27, 2018 at 11:37 pm
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        Thanks, that’s a good idea, I’ll read some summaries to get up to speed, cheers.

    • February 28, 2018 at 1:53 pm
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      You will get it not much has changed, but I would recommend you season 3 finale to watch, on the rest summaries will do

      • February 28, 2018 at 4:44 pm
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        Thanks!

  • February 27, 2018 at 6:26 pm
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    While I enjoyed both episodes (really enjoyed the sound bits from various star wars media) I am still not understanding the Ahsoka bit where Ezra saves her. Time travel is a messy plot that can create many what ifs and holes.

    Either way, happy to see Ahsoka back and really looking forward to next weeks 3 episode finale!

    • February 27, 2018 at 6:36 pm
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      It’s not really time travel,Ahsoka was pulled out of her timeline to a timeless place and returned to her timeline (just before she walks down the steps at the end of Season 2).

      • February 27, 2018 at 6:45 pm
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        Technically correct, but Ezra altered the past. And Ahsoka is now living in a time that is 2 years before the time of Ezra going into and coming out of the portal.

        • February 28, 2018 at 8:03 pm
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          I don’t think she is living in a time 2 years before the time of Ezra going into and coming out of the portal. I had the impression that she came out of the portal two years, later…

          • February 28, 2018 at 8:23 pm
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            How so? They show her walking into the temple in season 2.

          • February 28, 2018 at 9:08 pm
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            This could also be a scene from the future, right?

      • February 28, 2018 at 11:47 am
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        How do we know, she entered her timeline, again? She could also have just entered the same place, but at Ezra’s current time?

        • February 28, 2018 at 12:20 pm
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          Mainly visual cues: her shoulder is hurt and she appears in front of a triangular doorway. The last time we saw her, she was descending down the stairs through triangular doorway holding her arm.

          I guess we will know for sure once Dave’s Q&A from the media screening is released after the season finale.

          • February 28, 2018 at 7:56 pm
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            I agree we saw the same scene in this episode as in the last episode of season two. But that scene could have also been in the future (i.e. season 4), already

    • February 27, 2018 at 7:03 pm
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      My thought was that Ezra didn’t alter the past, because in the future he always was going to go back and save her, therefore nothing changed. When we see her re enter the temple originally, she can only do that because Ezra saved her already, but in the future. Confusing haha

      • February 27, 2018 at 8:14 pm
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        So that would basically confirm that every ones future is set in stone, which Yoda says isn’t “Always in motion the future is”. Lets just hypothetically say Ezra joins Maul in season 3 and goes dark. This changes every thing going forward and maybe he never goes back to Lothal and ends up saving Ahsoka.

        I’m really not trying to read to much into it. Its a cartoon and again was a very enjoyable episode. Its just altering timelines, time travel, what ever you want to call it can get very messy.

        I think they would be wise to avoid this kind of stuff in the main films.

        • February 27, 2018 at 8:19 pm
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          I doubt they’ll ever revisit it again simply by what we witnessed in this very episode. This is not an easy thing to encounter or use. Nor did we see anyone actually go to a different time or place. Not only that but the entire temple is simply gone. They basically dabbled in one of the most powerful Force “world between worlds” and now it’s lost forever.

          Which I believe was Ezra’s mission. Stop anyone from abusing it. He’s done that now.

      • February 27, 2018 at 8:42 pm
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        I think it’s a loop. The possibilities of timetravel, speaking from a physicists point of view, are:

        a) the creation of parallel universes. I this scenario anything goes.
        b) Timetravel is possible as long as the creation of the timemachine and the motive for using the time machine are not affected by the journey into the past. It basically creates a loop that can reach back in the past however only as far back as to the point where the timemachine has been created.

        Both explainations would be acceptable for this episode

        • February 27, 2018 at 8:53 pm
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          That makes sense. I’ll admit, my knowledge on theoretical time travel is non existent lol thanks for the explanation though!

          • February 27, 2018 at 9:19 pm
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            I’m not an expert on it either but I once wrote a story called “Purgatory” that involved timetravel (sort of).

            An astronaut lands on a remote planet to work on a spacestation built nearby an excavation site full of alien artifacts (an alien mausoleum to be exact with a massive monolith at its center). After a couple of weeks he starts seeing humanoid ghosts and realizes that his colleagues always give him the same answers whenever he asks questions and the weather repats itself every couple of days (like groundhog day). He leaves the excavation site and drives off into the desert only to return back to the excavation site without having changed the direction. In the end of the novel it turns out that monolith in the alien mausoleum was built to absorb the consciousness of the aliens who died there to grant them immortality in a simulated heaven. The protagonist died thousands of years ago in an accident that happened while working on the site. The monolith tried to copy his consciousness and save it for eternity but due to the different brain patterns of humans could only copy a fragment of his consciousness (his last couple of days when he was alive plus a few memories from his past). Hence the repeating wheather, the repeating behavioural patterns of his colleagues and, the fact that he cant leave the excavation site. The ghosts are bugs in the system that happened when the monolith tried to copy his consiousness. The story ends when the protagonist sees himself arrive on the planet in a spaceship but he dissolves before he can warn himself. It is implied that this has happened thousands of times and the cycle will repeat infintely. He is trapped in a purgatory.

            I wrote this story asking my brother for advice (he works at the university of stockholm as a physicist) and his nowledge was useful when constructing a convincing plot without plotholes (at least I am not aware of any)

          • February 27, 2018 at 9:39 pm
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            That sounds really interesting actually. Is it available in e-book format?

          • February 27, 2018 at 9:49 pm
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            I actually got it printed with a couple of other short stories (50 to 100 pages each) which I want to combine into a collection of short novels at some point in the future. Some of the stories deal with the relativity of reality like “Purgatory” others contain horror and/or sci fi elements. They are only availeable in German but one of these days I will try to translate them and ask one of my Canadian friends to proofread them. I do work as a sculptor but my dream is to be an author even though it will probably never come true 😛

          • February 28, 2018 at 3:27 pm
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            Ahh gotcha. That’s really cool though! You never know man, you could do it! When your book(s) are translated to English, let me know,I’ll buy the collection of short stories!

          • February 28, 2018 at 4:16 pm
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            Sure, I’ll let you know as soon as the translation is done. But it might take a while, writing is only a hobby and not my priority atm.

          • February 27, 2018 at 11:28 pm
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            This sounds very cool.

          • February 28, 2018 at 12:36 am
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            Thanks 🙂 I appreciate the feedback.

        • February 27, 2018 at 10:02 pm
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          Point b is very well explained in HG Wells “The Time Machine”. Basically after a man’s wife dies, he creates a time machine to go back and save her, but every time he goes back she just ends up dying in different ways. It is explained that she cannot be save because her death is ultimately what drove him to create the time machine. So if she lives, no time machine.

          This whole thought process is bringing me to the story of Darth Plaguies. Could it be, this is how he alters the midichlorians to prevent those he loves from dying? Also something Sideous could never figure out.

          • February 27, 2018 at 10:06 pm
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            Ah yes, the time machine is one of my favourite books. I love your theory but I don’t want to get too invested into the idea. It probably won’t happen 😛

          • February 27, 2018 at 10:10 pm
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            the movie was good too

  • February 27, 2018 at 6:26 pm
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    can anyone help out is minister Hyden the same guy in rogue one in Vaders castle???

    • February 27, 2018 at 6:27 pm
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      I thought the same thing, but have no confirmation.

    • February 27, 2018 at 6:29 pm
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      No Vader’s castle guy is Vaneé

      • February 27, 2018 at 6:32 pm
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        that could be his first name, loosing the temple would mean a serous demotion maybe to Vader carer

        • February 27, 2018 at 6:34 pm
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          I mean sure that could be true. They definitely look similar. So sure whynot lol. Until told otherwise I suppose he can be the same guy lol

          • February 28, 2018 at 11:34 am
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            Didn’t he die, when the temple was taken down?

    • February 27, 2018 at 6:34 pm
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      In the early versions it was, but they decided against it. It’s in the episode guide on starwars.com.

      • February 27, 2018 at 6:45 pm
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        Nice that’s cool to hear that it was at least considered. Perhaps that’s why they look similar because they initially designed him as Vaneé?

        • February 27, 2018 at 6:51 pm
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          I think so. If you’d put a cowl on him instead of the hat, he’d be spitting image of Vaneé.

    • February 27, 2018 at 6:40 pm
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      Emperor has many similar advisers not just one

    • February 27, 2018 at 6:56 pm
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      I thought so too actually.

    • February 27, 2018 at 8:05 pm
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      Anyone know the voice actor. I know I have heard that voice before, but cant make my mind remember exactly.

      • February 27, 2018 at 8:23 pm
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        Malcolm McDowell, actor from A Clock Work Orange and many other film and T.V. projects.

        • February 27, 2018 at 8:25 pm
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          My god how did I not get that.

      • February 27, 2018 at 8:35 pm
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        Malcolm McDowell. The big bad in Star Trek Generations.

    • February 27, 2018 at 8:13 pm
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      No

  • February 27, 2018 at 6:54 pm
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    This was probably the worst thing they could have done to star wars. Filoni you ruined it all. And in december I thought last jedi’s hyperspace jump was out of star wars laws, but filoni turned it all around. Last jedi is a marvel against this. Time travel in star wars? Bravo so why not start rescuing all dead jedi, stop order 66 and so on? I take this as a dishonesty to a star wars story which was already told, he just created an insane way to rewrite it so it fits his needs. If it is like this then the Emperor can easily throw Luke of of his X wing and prevent destruction of the Death Star.
    Couldn’t he simply left Ahsoka dead? Was it that hard? She had a climatic battle with Vader, sacrificed herself and was killed, what is bad about that.
    Also the fact that he kills a jedi in one episode and inmediatelly ressurects another is also very stupid. And there I thought the Rebels unrealistic victories were the main problem in the past. No the new problem is time travel, ressurection owls and wormhole moving wolffes, that is what happens when open the cheat window in a game

    • February 27, 2018 at 7:20 pm
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      Okay woah there. You’re definitely entitled to dislike it if you want. Go ahead more power to you. However your throw away line about the Emperor and how he can throw Luke out of his X-Wing now and prevent the Death Star destruction is pretty flawed. It’s clear shown that the Emperor doesn’t have access and didn’t fully know how to gain access to this Force ability. The only way he gets close was because Ezra had gained access. Also Ezra clearly closes this particular portal to this realm of the force (for now at least). There is currently no way of knowing if there are other entrances (I’m sure there are but we simply don’t know) or even a way to access it again now that this particular entrances is closed (for the time being at least who knows what stories they plan to tell). So just pump those brakes for a second. Sure it definitely could cause problems in the future depending on what they do with it but for now I don’t feel like it causes a big problem or anything. I personally am not in love about the potential craziness this could cause but this could also lead to some amazing story telling. The word time travel is not synonymous with bad storytelling some really amazing stories can be told because of this just like some not so great stories. I personally am willing to give it the benefit of the doubt and give a chance for now. As for Filoni being the one to introduce this. He didn’t just say okay we are doing this and it was done. He ran it by everyone involved in the story group and I’m sure many other people high up in Lucasfilm heck I’d be willing to venture a wild (or maybe not so wild) theory that he even talked to Lucas himself about it who knows? So if you’re going to start blaming people don’t only blame Filoni lol

      • February 28, 2018 at 12:32 am
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        The problem is not the Emperor and X wing that was a sarcastic note, the problem is that until now time travel in star wars was tabu, but now they will start experimenting with it, because by this it was allowed. This completely ruins the star wars universe’s current base.
        I understand the portal is closed but the fact that they allowed this concept to happen. Also using time travel to save a character from certain but honorable death. I know many people will like this concept because it saved Ahsoka and they would like anything if it meant she lived. There is time for some characters to go and heroes are making sacrifices. As for Filoni I can say the same way that you have no proof that George Lucas agreed with it and Filoni is the project’s manager so he is responsible for it so it is his doing.

      • February 28, 2018 at 1:10 am
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        George Lucas is responsible for AT LEAST places existing in the Star Wars Galaxy that are outside of time. He was the creator of The Clone Wars series. Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Ahsoka go to Mortis in Season 3 Episodes 15-17, when they come back NO TIME HAS PASSED (Rex says “you were off the scopes there FOR A MOMENT,” Anakin says “we’ve been gone more than a moment,” Rex says “I don’t understand, you’ll need to explain,” Anakin says “You wouldn’t believe me if I told you”), on Mortis they were outside of time

        • February 28, 2018 at 1:46 pm
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          Yes that is true but a place existing out of time is something completely different than time travelling. I remember that scene

          • March 2, 2018 at 10:38 am
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            agreed. That is why I said “at least.” However, it makes sense to me that when George and Filoni were working on that arc in the Clone Wars they discussed who The Father, The Son, and The Daughter were and how they interact with the Force. George wouldn’t just throw something on the screen without a backstory (unless it’s just a random alien or something that looks cool), especially if it’s so unique.

    • February 27, 2018 at 8:04 pm
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      I loved it. It elevated the Force as a concept and what it means as well as showing that even some of the most powerful users don’t remotely understand it. Thinking this can easily happen again and again… seems foolish. I’d say that place is incredibly difficult to access and that literally the presence of the Mortis family is about the only thing allowing this to take place.

    • February 27, 2018 at 9:17 pm
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      I love how there is always one naysayer, just to throw a wrench into things. I honestly don’t think our opinions can be that far away from each other… some people just want to antagonize to antagonize.

      • February 28, 2018 at 12:19 am
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        Now we are 2 naysayers. Going to look through the discusion if i find more of us.

  • February 27, 2018 at 7:40 pm
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    Makes me wander if they might springboard off this episode to make changes in 9, that will fix many of the issues that lot’s of people had with 8?

    If not, then this is a interesting but strange choice to put into an episode.

  • February 27, 2018 at 8:00 pm
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    Ok… first off forgive me but this is exactly my problem with TLJ and now retroactively TFA. What happened in the saga? What major pieces made us look at the universe and give us a sense of something great going on? Something beyond even our heroes?

    To me having the Empire trying to control possibly the fate of everything through understanding the very Force that binds us all together is one hell of a story element. Sure we’ve heard it before but it elevates what’s happening.

    Just like the OT wanting to free itself from evil and tyranny. What is it the new saga is doing? Two fragment factions are still nipping at one another and we get an awkward send off for most of the heroes from the OT. Seriously… what does the FO want? Just more control? Snoke wanted… power?

    To me Rebels carried such weighty ideas right here and now more so than those two movies even dared too.

    It was freaking awesome! Time and space all bending to a single point. Plus the whole Mortis (spelling?) family. To me it felt like something profoundly important was happening and stopping the Empire/Emperor from getting anywhere near it was fantastic. More direction than anything I’ve seen in the new trilogy.

    Anyway… it was beautiful and I loved it!

    • February 28, 2018 at 5:14 am
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      It’s a case of Dave having planned this stuff out. I will admit; I have disagreed with some of his choices in the past. But I cannot deny that the man is very ambitious and I commend that.

      It is something the movie side could learn from. Because, in my view, most of LF’s new movies have always been stuck in a box of what a Star Wars movie is. Rather, than just telling a good story set in the SWs mythos.

      It is why something like the MCU has lasted. Different sub-genres all for the sake of attempting to tell a good story. Also, from a lore perspective; I felt like these two episodes accomplished that.

      But that’s just my view. People can like whatever they want.

  • February 27, 2018 at 8:06 pm
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    I prefer Mr Spock’s sling shot around the sun form of time travel. Just saying. But last night reminded me of the Star Trek episode with Joan Collins where Kirk, Spock and McCoy jump into a mirror type object like last night. Even Ashoka getting Ezra letting Kanan die was similar to McCoy stopping Kirk from saving Joan Collins from car accident. I wonder if that episode inspired this episode

    • February 27, 2018 at 8:13 pm
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      The City on the Edge of Forever.

    • February 27, 2018 at 11:20 pm
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      One of my favorites. 🙂

  • February 27, 2018 at 8:35 pm
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    I enjoyed Rebels immensely, even more than the new trilogy. I know there are “low points” with every thing, but if Dave Filoni does this well with a weekly series, imagine what he could have done with Episode VIII (I can’t even bear to call it by its proper name).

    I only wish The Last Jedi was even half this good.

    One thought I had: Could the “viewfinder” in Episode VIII be similar to the portal we saw in these episodes???

    • February 27, 2018 at 11:34 pm
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      Sure cos if Rian Johnson put time travel in TLJ you people would have loved that

  • February 27, 2018 at 8:37 pm
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    I think time travels are always a difficult thing to pull off for two reasons: a) the chain of cause and effect is often turned into one big, messy plothole. b) timetravel tends to make previous events irellevant.

    a) was avoided pretty nicely. We never saw what happened to Ahsoka so there is nothing that would be impossible since she hasn’t influenced the overall plot since her “death”. Basically Ahsoka I dies since there was no help for her, Ahsoka II survived and so will every Ahsoka after her due to a loop that’s created when Ezra saved her. Unless Ahsoka did something that saved Ezra’s life before he got to a point where he entered the portal the story is “plausible”

    b) they already showed an example of how fate cannot be changed. They could probably always pull the “the force doesn’t allow it” card similar to how fate couldn’t be changed in “Life is strange” but I feel like there need to be more rules to avoid the question “why didn’t they travel back in time and change X”

    • February 28, 2018 at 5:16 am
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      Agreed. This was surprisingly well thought out for I am of a similiar mindset that time travel is so hard to do in fiction and do it well. It is why I love examples of stories, like Life is Strange or even Steins Gate, can handle the concept and do it well.

      And Rebels to my surprise handled this very well. For I have had disagreements with Dave on some of his stuff. But even I will admit; this is a stroke of genius. If only the movies could have had this much foresight and vision. Sigh… Oh well; at least I can treasure Rebels and its final season.

  • February 27, 2018 at 9:29 pm
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    Earth shattering episodes; especially from hearing the voices across all eras in “A World Between Worlds”.

    The revelation of what happened to Ahsoka after her duel with Vader on malachor was mind blowing, Like “Jedi Night” very heartbreaking that Ezra can’t save Kanan again, but as how the force wills it, it’s pretty much for the best; especially after knowing the consequences and what Ahsoka said to Ezra when he attempted to save Kanan from his destiny (echoing Anakin).

    All in all, very wonderful episodes; and so we have come closer to the end of SWR. Can’t wait to see how all things will play out in it’s finality. ^_^

    • February 28, 2018 at 2:37 am
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      Is this the secret Palpatine told Anakin about Plagueis? Is this how he could keep people from dying? If so, Palpatine had been chasing this for a long time. And Ezra shut it down.

  • February 27, 2018 at 10:11 pm
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    These episodes are amazing. Rebels is on next level storytelling

  • February 27, 2018 at 11:40 pm
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    If anything I can say that Filoni raises the bar for Abrams in Episode IX. The films really need to dig a little deeper in terms of plot. I feel like the motivations behind the protagonists and antagonists in the sequel trilogy are small time compared to what we’re getting in Rebels right now. I mean, I like the movies, but I want something more on those terms. What ancient Force artifacts was Snoke after? What new secrets of the Force will Rey unlock? These are things we need to see. I’m super excited to see the conclusion next week. 🙂

    • February 28, 2018 at 4:33 am
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      Abrams and Johnson don’t seem to care, really. They just let Filoni, and the writers of the novels and comic books, do the heavy lifting when it comes to character backstory and motivation for the movies. The next animated series will likely be more of the same, where Filoni and his writers will do the work that Abrams and Johnson failed to do, nor were interested in doing.

      • February 28, 2018 at 6:52 am
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        Guys, you only have two hours in a movie. How long has Rebels been going on?

    • February 28, 2018 at 6:55 am
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      Guys, a movie has two hours to tell a story.

      • February 28, 2018 at 6:02 pm
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        The original 6 movies had the same time frame but was able to pull off a continuing rich arc from it’s previous film…thus, a Saga. The new sequels don’t even connect well with each other let alone the Saga, thus they have spent their time foolishlyl

        • February 28, 2018 at 8:46 pm
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          the trilogy isn’t even done yet and you already have a conclusion regarding an arc. The arc comes in the third act and apparently the 3rd act in a trilogy is the third film… I’m sorry, but I think TFA and TLJ connect very well.
          And also, the connectivity between the PT and OT feels very much forced at times:

          – C3PO being the pet robot of Anakin on Tatooine (which later had to be retconned/fixed in literally the last second with a memory wipe because apparently GL doesn’t know his own continuity)

          – Boba Fett being a clone of Jango Fett (who in turn is the blue print for the Clone army, which in turn is the blue print for the empire) for no reason whatsoever

          – Boba Fett meeting Obi Wan (WTF is Boba Fett even in the Prequels at all?!)

          – Yoda meeting Chewbacca

          – Chewbacca giving Yoda a space ship (same as with Boba Fett, why is Chewie in the movie???)

          – Obi Wan Kennobi never meeting Owen Lars, but still handing him baby Luke for adoption

          – And also the Tantive IV had to be forced into the prequels. But not only that, Yoda had to be on it!!

          In other words, dont even…

          • February 28, 2018 at 9:37 pm
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            Yes, I have a conclusion based on the 2 installments they currently have.
            I don’t argue about some issues within the original 6. But the story flowed well and built arcs.
            Thus far we have thin characters in sequels, with TLJ ignoring TFA and it’s setup for further development of story points or potential plots.

          • March 1, 2018 at 8:37 am
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            At least the Sequels are well done, well shot and well written films.
            The PT may have a good plot, but the way it’s written with it’s atrocious dialogue, green screen overkill and overall bad acting (which is a result of that) makes the movies almost unwatchable.
            I had to turn off ROTS after 30 min the last time I tried to watch it. It made me feel embarrassed of Star Wars.

            While most people’s problems with the sequels are with some of the plot “decisions” (which is a non issue for casual moviegoers because they are not “married” to the franchise) my problems with the Prequels are a result of craftsmanship and screenwriting, which are more universal problems. And a good plot can’t fix that. That’s why I prefer the PT novels.

          • March 1, 2018 at 6:55 pm
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            Ok, the new films are shot well…but the writing is just horrible. The entire story to this point is horrible.

            I will agree that some poorly written lines and acting in the prequels. But, the characters (minus Jar Jar) were pretty solid and the story was just wonderful and enriched what was already existing…The sequels not so much. IMO

      • February 28, 2018 at 9:50 pm
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        Each season of Rebels does not have more content than your average movie if you cut the filler. The difference is that Filoni actually thought things through from the beginning and now that it paid-off it’s worth it whereas the film division has no overarching narrative and are just flying by the seat of their pants. Rebels doesn’t have more time than the movies (and has less resources) they just use it better.

  • February 28, 2018 at 5:10 am
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    Honestly, I have to say this: what Dave did was ingenious a bit this could have gone horribly wrong. Having Ezra enter this void world where time intersects and him saving Ahsoka I argue was fantastic.

    It helps that we never saw Ahsoka die and that her disappearance from the series actually makes sense. I also loved the bit of wisdom that she gave to Ezra about wanting to save Kanan, basically saying he needs to let go. And I believe that is such a perfect moment.

    I have doged on Rebels from a story point of view, but characterization has never been its problem. And in Ezra’s case, I saw this moment much like Luke’s in that he grew up. Ezra learned that sometimes bad things happen and will continue to happen. But he needs to let go; remember and cherish those he has lost and move on.

    The rest of the episodes I thought were good. Sabine proves to be one of my favorite characters in both her ability to improvise and her witt. And while it dragged from a lore perspective; I enjoyed this episode.

    As for the movies, Abrams, Johnson TAKE NOTES. This is exactly how you expand the mythos. Because, in my view, these filmmakers are so stuck with making a Star Wars movie fit within that box of Star Wars; that they fail to take risks. Or in the case of The Last Jedi; just subverting expectations for the sake of doing so.

    Well, I cannot gripe too much, though. For really, if the movies are going to be on an isolated island, cool. I will take Rebels and whatever new stuff Dave comes up with. So really, I happily look forward to those.

    Easily a ten out of ten episode for me.

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  • February 28, 2018 at 10:56 am
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    I’m still wondering, why Yoda told Ezra to find Malachor.
    How did the Emperor see into the temple – and why could he not enter it?
    I think it’s astonishing that at the end of season 2, when we see Ahsoka walk in the shadows, she already knows about Kanan’s death and just faced Vader and the Emperor – but we knew nothing about it! I hope, she finds Ezra.

    • February 28, 2018 at 12:26 pm
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      About the Emperor, he knows where the temple is, but you have to be let in, like Ezra was by Mortis gods or, I presume, you have to go through someone who is already in, which is why he chases Ezra and Ahsoka and almost manages to enter. Mind you, this is only my guess.

      • March 1, 2018 at 6:30 pm
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        Then again, Ezra is in a place with no time, so he can see all times and all places he likes. This in turn means, the Emperor can try again to catch Ezra. He can try ten years later and still succeed, because Ezra is still in there

        • March 1, 2018 at 6:35 pm
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          Where did you get that Ezra is still there? We see both Ezra and Ahsoka exiting world between worlds and Ezra sealing the door and temple disappearing.

          • March 1, 2018 at 8:58 pm
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            Yes, he is exiting, but remember: he could not only see into the past, we also heard whispers of the future. Supposed this is an equivalent relationship, whenever he sees something from there, they could possibly see him. He could see the Emperor as a little child and dying above Endor. So, the Emperor could possibly see him all the time. Ezra got out of the temple, yet he is still inside, since the temple is timeless … actually the one entering the temple becomes god, because he is out of time, literally.

          • March 1, 2018 at 9:08 pm
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            I don’t think that’s how this works (to paraphrase Han Solo). I don’t think Ezra gained any abilities by entering the world between the worlds. I think he hears the past, the present and the future while in there, but some copy of him doesn’t remain within when he exits. And with the destruction of the temple, the Emperor can no longer look into it nor attach himself on someone with Ezra and Ahsoka out of it. That’s at least how I see it, we’ll see what Dave says once the show is over – and you know he will.

  • February 28, 2018 at 4:01 pm
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    Too bad Rebels did not have the type of storytelling all along. One thing Filoni needs to learn is to eliminate the fluff episodes during the course of a series and get rid of things that do not drive the characters or overarching direction. And get off the Disney XD channel.

    • February 28, 2018 at 5:15 pm
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      Agreed. I will admit; I wasn’t the biggest fan of The Clone Wars series. I preferred the microseries and even the dark horse comics. But I argue that show is a lot better than Rebels as I found it more ambitious and had some genuinely interesting concepts, like Mortis.

      Rebels, my biggest issue as you say is fluff. The characters are genuinely good, but the storytelling has been so mixed. First season I argue(besides this one) is the strongest season due to how focused it was. It had bits of filler, but it made use of its episode count very well to tell one story. Second and third season suffer from a lack of focus.

      Second Season, in particular, due to a lack of main narrative through line. But the season finale was great. Third season irritated me due to a combination of missed opportunities, bad depictions of characters(cough, Thrawn) etc.

      This season I argue has been much better namely in that much like first season; the narrative has been laser focused. It has issues, but overall this is a big improvement.

      I don’t know if it is Disney XD that is holding Dave back, but really Rebels I find is a mixed bag. Though, in my view; a lot better than the current movies.

    • February 28, 2018 at 9:46 pm
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      You seriously think Filoni doesn’t know that? He works for a station that demands for a certain amount of episodes each season and so fluff is a necessity. This is not just a passion project where he can do whatever he wants, he works for Disney and has to produce a tv show with 20-something episode seasons for a target audience of children.

      • March 1, 2018 at 12:14 am
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        Eh, I’m not so sure about that. While there are a number of episodes that are contracted for, that does not mean Disney is controlling exactly what each episode entails. If Filoni decided that each episode’s plot were going to be part of the overall narrative, Disney is not going to force him to produce “filler” episodes. He could well write 20 impactful episodes, rather than 10 impactful episodes and 10 meaningless ones.

        Don’t forget, these are extremely short episodes — only 20 minutes apiece. It’s not like writing 20 hours of television. 20 episodes is less than 7 hours of television.

  • February 28, 2018 at 4:17 pm
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    I for one absolutely loved these two episodes. The Loth-wolves finally paid off, the Force and the Lothal temple got expanded upon, the Emperor was great and, of course we finally got a great – in my opinion – confirmation about Ahsoka’s fate so far. It also helps that we once again got some great visuals and some Raiders of the Lost Ark vibes.

    The only question now is what becomes of Ahsoka. Will she come back in time for the finale, find Ezra or is she being saved up for whatever series follows Rebels? Either way, as said as it is to have reached the last episodes of the series, I just can’t wait for next week!

  • February 28, 2018 at 7:54 pm
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    I liked the concept of the minister: he has power only by the Emperor, it’s a similar concept to the Emperor’s Hands from the old EU.

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