Collider Jedi Council! Should ‘Black Panther’ Director Ryan Coogler Direct A Star Wars Film?

On this episode of Collider Jedi Council:

Kristian Harloff, Ken Napzok, and Ash Crossan discuss whether ‘The Last Jedi’ backlash changed J.J. Abrams plans for ‘Star Wars episode IX; talk about if ‘Black Panther’ director Ryan Coogler is right for ‘Star Wars’; share their thoughts on last week’s episodes of Star Wars: Rebels “Jedi Night” and “Dume”; break down Poe Dameron #24 and more.




Collider’s team wants to hear your voices! Send your twitter questions and opinions to @ColliderVideo with the #ColliderJediCouncil. To check out more episodes from Jedi Council, check out their YouTube page.



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61 thoughts on “Collider Jedi Council! Should ‘Black Panther’ Director Ryan Coogler Direct A Star Wars Film?

  • February 23, 2018 at 1:45 pm

    He knows how to handle big productions, “Black Panther” is very well received and his previous movie was pretty good as well. Sure his portfolio is a little short but he would certainly be qualified for the job. Trevorrow didn’t have that much experience either when he was offered IX. I would certainly like to see him shoot a movie in the Rian Johnson trilogy. If he gets the job hope that Coogler will be involved in the developement of the new trilogy. Rian Johnson with complete creative control over SW for the next couple of years isn’t something I’m really looking forward to…

  • February 23, 2018 at 1:47 pm

    I think Ryan Coogler would do well well to steer clear of SW for the moment. Yes, the films are blockbuster hits, but all the behind-the-scenes shenanigans of Rogue One, Josh Trank, Lord & Miller, Colin Trevarrow is too strong a stink to get caught up in.

    Right now, Coogler will have his choice of projects – best not to get caught up in the Lucasfilm/KK quagmire at the moment.

  • February 23, 2018 at 3:48 pm

    I don’t know if I’d say he changed his plans, but he/they are aware of the backlash. Might make them look over every detail a bit more. Which would be welcome given the couple of poor choices made in TLJ. I don’t think TLJ was ruinous by any means. Just a few mistakes here and there that probably wont impact the future of Star Wars. Just make the continuity a little… off.

    I just wanted these characters to have an awesome story arc. Now I feel it’s too late to cram into one film. This is basically the wrap up movie. So confrontations and results. Not a lot of time for growth. Just please don’t make Finn feel tacked on this time.

    • February 23, 2018 at 6:43 pm

      Finn was tacked on? His story was the thematic thesis to the entire film

  • February 23, 2018 at 4:10 pm

    Despite all the paid Disney shills on these forums trying desperately to do damage control, the simple fact is that most SW fans were hugely disappointed with the malicious culling of some of the most interesting storylines and characters in TLJ. If Disney can’t take that feedback on board and change course, then there really is no hope.

    • February 23, 2018 at 4:54 pm

      See how is any of that constructive? When they delegitimize our distaste it’s just as frustrating. Why invalidate their love for the movie? Why claim “most” of anything. We can’t possibly know outside of a major poll asking every fan ever. It’s the internet. Of course it’s filled with complaints… but you can’t gauge a response based on that.

      I’m just saying taking pot shots at each other gets us nowhere. I find it completely believable a ton of people loved the movie. From all generations of fandom.

    • February 23, 2018 at 6:42 pm

      1. No proof anyone was paid
      2. No proof “most” fans were disappointed

      Your break with reality is sad.

      • February 23, 2018 at 7:22 pm

        I agree with both your points but I’d like to add 2 of my own.
        3. No proof most fans who disliked the movie are mysogynists
        4. No proof the people who disliked TLJ were just a vocal minority

        There’s a break with reality on both sides of the spectrum

        • February 25, 2018 at 1:29 pm

          What is very telling is how every quite Kathleen Kennedy has been since huge numbers of people of have shown their dislike of TLJ. The noise is getting louder as people can see on so many websites like this, Collider etc that the praise the film is getting does not match the actual product and it is making things worse! t would have been better if they had just admitted that this film has many problems instead of all the damage limitation they have been doing since and even before the film came out!

      • February 23, 2018 at 8:27 pm

        There is some proof that most fans were disappointed.

        We can point to the 48% Rotten Tomatoes audience score, which Rotten Tomatoes has confirmed wasn’t altered by hacktivists.

        • February 23, 2018 at 9:22 pm

          Except we can point to people who say they have bombed that score, therefore…we can’t say most because MOST fans don’t ever go to Rotten Tomato user reviews.

          • February 23, 2018 at 9:27 pm

            Yes we can, but people can say whatever they like. Never pay attention to what people say. Only pay attention to what people actually do.

            You do make an interesting point in that it’s possible that most fans don’t ever go to Rotten Tomatoes. But if that’s the case, and it may be, then any form of measurement like polls are not representative of the overall picture, and are worthless.

          • February 23, 2018 at 9:39 pm

            And what do most people do?

            They don’t go to Rotten Tomatoes.

            Yes, now you are catching on: user reviews are WORTHLESS

          • February 23, 2018 at 10:28 pm

            Some are, some aren’t.

            Some do go to Rotten Tomatoes, some don’t.

            The main point here to keep in mind is, that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

            Yes, people claimed to have hacked the Rotten Tomatoes score. However, there is no evidence that anyone hacked the Rotten Tomatoes score, and Rotten Tomatoes has publicly confirmed that no one has.

            So for all practical purposes, it appears that the people claiming that they hacked the Rotten Tomatoes score, are in fact lying. My guess is that someone made the claim with the intention of discrediting the score, or at least put it under the shadow of suspicion. This wouldn’t be too surprising, given that these types of activists are notorious for perpetrating hate hoaxes, in order to prove points that don’t exist.

          • February 23, 2018 at 10:30 pm

            It’s far more extraordinary to think most fans go to Rotten Tomatoes and post user scores. It’s a very small subset.

            The thing is, with such doubt cast, we can’t point to Rotten Tomatoes. It’s a useless metric.

          • February 23, 2018 at 10:47 pm

            And that’s certainly the sentiment that the activists who claimed to have hacked the Rotten Tomatoes score was hoping to create.

            But if Rotten Tomatoes is a useless metric, then all metrics are useless because no metric can then be representative of anything.

          • February 26, 2018 at 2:59 pm


            That’s an astounding thing to say.

            Some metrics are scientifically proven to be accurate.

            An optional, voluntary user review system that most moviegoers aren’t aware exists is hardly representative of anything but people with an axe to grind.

          • February 27, 2018 at 2:09 am

            Not any less astounding that what I was responding to.

            Particularly the metrics we find agreeable.

          • February 24, 2018 at 6:37 pm

            They are not worthless in the least. Even if your statement was true that the RT score is based on biased ratings it still gives us important information which is: How well does a movie perform IN RELATION to other movies?

            Let me give you an example: Let’s say you have a teacher who likes to rate his students a lot worse than they actually are. On average his students get a D- rather than a C (which usually represents average in the rating system). Even though the ratings don’t show how well a student actually performs you can still see that a student with a D+ is better than a student with an F.

            The same applies to TLJ. I’m not saying that half the people who watched TLJ disliked the movie. But it was rated a lot worse than TFA and R1 which means that far less people liked it than they did like previous movies.

        • February 24, 2018 at 2:02 am

          Exept when people are asked in exit polls, their responses don’t match the RT score. Also, more tellingly, the movie actual performance doesn’t match the RT score.

          • February 24, 2018 at 2:30 am

            Actually the movie performance does in fact match the RT score.

            Now, you’re undoubtedly referring to the impressive 1.3 Billion figure. however, there’s more here that needs to be recognized, in order to understand the full picture.

            In the first week after the highly successful opening weekend, TFA experienced a 77% drop in box office from TFA in is first Friday to Friday comparison. By the second week, TLJ was running 100 Million behind TFA. In the third week, it dropped to 3rd place behind the 4th sequel in a low budget horror franchise. In fact thanks specifically to TLJ, the Star Wars franchise now holds the record for the biggest sequel to sequel plunge in cinema history. Then of course, there’s the total disinterest in China, where they aren’t attached to Star Wars in terms of nostaliga, and therefore would only have interest in the movie’s film craft or lack thereof.

            Now, some argue that the sequel is expected to do less. Yes, but not that much less, and not that quickly. What this suggests is that viewers who normally go for multiple viewings, weren’t returning.

            But even if we want to dismiss all of this box office information, we can still cross reference this with the toy and merchandise sales, which were reported to have fallen 47%. In addition to multiple reports regarding this, we also have multiple videos on YouTube showing Star Wars toys sitting on shelves not selling. Some of the toys are even all the way back from The Force Awakens.

          • February 24, 2018 at 3:04 am

            That’s an awful lot of twisting to avoid the fact that the movie did very well. Gene Roddenberry would have sold Spock’s ears for half of that.

          • February 24, 2018 at 3:37 am

            It’s not twisting at all. The movie did very well on opening weekend, not so much thereafter where it showed diminished interest. Toy & merchandise sales are likewise waning. That’s pretty basic stuff, not twisty pretzel like logic.

          • February 24, 2018 at 3:54 am

            I suppose you can define success however you like. It sold more tickets than anything else in 2017.

          • February 24, 2018 at 4:13 am

            Perhaps it did, I don’t have those numbers in front of me.

            My main point is that the picture is a bit more complex than just the impressive 1.3 Billion dollar figure. There’s more data to take into account here.

            I’m not really arguing that it wasn’t successful. In fact, I’d argue that it was. But that was never really up for question I think. I think its success was always a given.

            I myself didn’t like TFA personally, but it seemed that most movie goers did, and it seemed to leave enough goodwill with the fanbase for them to return for TLJ. In and of itself, TLJ is a roaring success. But I’m not so sure it accomplished the job of leaving enough goodwill in a sizable portion of the fanbase for them to return again, and the facts I mentioned previously form the foundation of my suspicion. Only the box office for Episode IX will clarify that for certain one way or the other.

          • February 24, 2018 at 1:03 pm

            Prediction: If episode IX underperforms TLJ that will be seen by some people as evidence that TLJ wasnt liked by audiences. If episode IX outperforms TLJ the same people will also see that as evidence that audiences didn’t like TLJ.

            What will happen? Episode IX will sell more tickets than TLJ because it’s the last movie in the trilogy, general audiences know J.J. Abrams and it will be a feel good movie.

          • February 25, 2018 at 6:54 pm

            I would say that if IX sells more tickets than TLJ, that would be one heck of a feat. In that case, It would demonstrate that folks are really happy with the direction of the franchise. But sequels rarely outperform their predecessors, especially when adjusted for inflation.

            A moderate reduction in ticket sales would represent the norm.

            I predict however, that ticket sales for IX will crater. The ticket sales for TLJ demonstrate that after the highly succesful opening weekend, that fans who normally return for multiple viewings just weren’t, which shows an increasing disinterest in the franchise. Additionally, we have waning toy and merchandise sales that demonstrate that waning interest too. Moreover, JJ Arbams recently attacked critics of TLJ with bogus insults, compounding the problem. So whatever good will some fans have had with JJ, has now evaporated.

          • February 27, 2018 at 12:31 am

            First off, J.J.’s comments were taken out of context in some outlets. He was specifically addressing people who have a problem with female leads in Star Wars and he was correct in what he said. Secondly, the number of people who even heard this story is minuscule when compared to the size of the general audience for a Star Wars film. The number of people who read the quote and will be upset in 2 years is microscopic. It is not going to impact the box office of episode IX.

            Toy sales are down across the board. This is not an issue specific to Star Wars. Regardless, poor toy sales do not necessarily indicate that people are unhappy with the associated film. I think Hasbro just had a particularly poor lineup this year. Their were only a couple interesting Black Series figures and no one needs another version of Leia, C-3PO or Finn. From what I saw coming out of the recent toy fair they are putting out better products geared towards= collectors in 2018. We’ll see how they perform.

            In short, ticket sales are not going to crater for episode IX.

          • February 27, 2018 at 2:24 am

            That’s precisely the context to which I refer, the notion that some poeple have a problem with female leads in Star Wars, which is of course entirely incorrect and thoughtless. Star Wars has had female leads for 40 years. Nobody’s blazing a trail here in that regard. Rather, we’re on a very well worn beaten path. A decades old path. So the notion that anyone would suddenly have problems with female leads in Star Wars, when there have been female leads in Star Wars for 40 years, is simply just preposterous. Believing this requires willful ignorance of the past, or letting the past die, as some might put it. What people were criticisng legitimately instead, was the feminist ideology. Remember, feminism and the female gender are now two separate things in the modern era, when men can claim to be feminists. So criticism of feminism does not automatically translate into criticism of women. I write about this extensively at my blog.

            I’m guess that the people who heard this story may be larger that you think. It’s been published not just at backwater blogs, but in primary news outlets. Moreover, JJ is unlikely to keep his mouth shut, particularly after the release of IX, so it’s likely that he’ll double and triple down on this thoughtless comments over the next couple of years.

            I’ve read those statements from the Hasbro CEO. It reminds me of the Iraqi Information Minister, or Kevin Bacon in Animal House. Of course Hasbro had a particularly bad line up. They had a particularly bad movie to base their lineup on.

            Oh, but they will crater, young Jedi…

        • February 24, 2018 at 2:34 pm

          Really, a corporation won’t admit their system being completely unreliable, thus risking immidiate bankruptcy?
          Who would’ve guessed…

          • February 25, 2018 at 6:45 pm

            Well, in this day an age, activists routinely perpetrate hate hoaxes like this in order to prove points that don’t exist. Since there is zero evidence to demonstrate that the score was hacked, the more likely explanation is that those claimine to have hacked it are lying activists.

        • February 24, 2018 at 3:57 pm

          In what universe does 48% = most?

          • February 25, 2018 at 6:44 pm

            In the Universe where 48% actually represents the people who “liked it”, and the remaining 52% represent those who didn’t.

            Why, what universe are you from?

          • February 26, 2018 at 12:05 am

            The one where 48/52 is almost half. I’d expect 80/20 to be the split before someone started using words like ‘most’. I’d call 52/48 a slight edge, even if the count could be trusted as totally honest and not tampered with.

          • February 27, 2018 at 2:08 am

            You are aware of course, that anything 51% or more constitutes “most,” right?

          • February 27, 2018 at 7:38 pm

            greatest in amount or degree.
            “they’ve had the most success”
            synonyms: nearly all, almost all, the greatest quantity/part/number, the majority, the bulk, the lion’s share, the mass, the preponderance
            “she spends most of her time in London”

            Regarding the synonyms – nearly all, almost all ….
            I agree that technically 50.000001% is most, but in general language it’s not really what you’d use to describe a slight lead (unless you’re a Brexiteer, then apparantly 51.8% = all).

          • February 27, 2018 at 8:01 pm

            Let’s be totally honest here.

            You initially thought that the 48% represented those displeased with the film, with the remaining 52% representing those who liked the film.

            Didn’t you?

          • February 27, 2018 at 8:20 pm

            Sounds like a pissy comment.
            It’s already been pointed out to you that others have bombed the score, and many have said that regardless of your refusal to accept it, so I don’t buy the score as being remotely accurate in the first place. You’re not worth my time.

          • February 27, 2018 at 8:51 pm

            In other words, I hit the nail right on the head.

            Yes, that’s been pointed out to me. But in turn, I pointed out to them the complete and total lack of evidence to support the claim of those who say they hacked the score, indicated that those who made the claim are lying activists. That’s the realit that’s not being accepted here.

            You may not buy the score as being remotely accurate in the first place. Abd yet it is anyway, whether you want it to be or not.

      • February 25, 2018 at 3:12 am

        Revenue for TLJ fell a whopping 60% from TFA primarily due to fans not coming back for repeat viewings.

        This is all the objective proof you need that the sequel trilogy is going to hell in a hand basket.

        • February 26, 2018 at 2:58 pm

          No, denial is a constant state of mind for you.

          TFA was an anomaly and basing future movies off that is the wrong thing to do analytically.

    • February 23, 2018 at 8:26 pm

      As much as I dislike the Disney direction of Star Wars, I’m skeptical that there’s any paid shills on the site. I think a good number of fans genuinely liked the movie. Although I do think there’s a tiny vocal minority who like the film exclusively for the politics it pushes rather than considerations over film craft.

      But I’m willing to consider evidence if you can point to any.

    • February 24, 2018 at 8:47 am

      Are even serious? You think there are paid Disney “shills” on these forums? Do you think this forum affects the box office success for Star Wars at all? You’re totally delusional…

    • February 24, 2018 at 12:44 pm

      I bet Disney is even desperate enough to drive up the box office of it own movies that they buy tickets for people and pay them to “enjoy” it. Think about that the next time you’re in a packed theater and you’re the only miserable person there.

    • February 25, 2018 at 4:22 pm

      I know of 3 that receive a paycheck from Disney . ..that are frequently on this forum.
      As time goes on, more people have seen how awful this movie is.

  • February 23, 2018 at 5:20 pm

    Perhaps all remaining Star Wars sequels/interquels should be credited to Alan Smithee, and you’ll have fun guessing who was the director that started the film, as well as the director that finished it.

    • February 23, 2018 at 8:24 pm

      What about Allana Smithee? Equality!!

  • February 23, 2018 at 10:04 pm

    How about the person that directed…
    *grabs an AMC “Now Playing” brochure, closes her eyes, and places her finger on a random movie*

  • February 23, 2018 at 11:15 pm

    Yes if they fire Kathleen Kennedy, TLJ stunk of her hands all in it, why she need to mention 6 out of 8 of her writers are female?

    • February 24, 2018 at 8:45 am

      Do you have something against women?

  • February 24, 2018 at 12:05 am

    Depends if he is even into Star Wars, all I know is I want a Lando & Lobot movie with Han & Chewie as side characters, cloud city guards, scoundrel to responsible storyline, with plenty of bumps and shadiness along the way. Cameos: Billie Dee as an older character (Lando’s dad?), Neil DeGrasse Tyson as Willrow Hood aka Ice Cream Maker guy; lots of in-universe music, Max Rebo Band

  • February 24, 2018 at 1:28 am

    I’m glad that we’re going to have 18 months of no Star Wars films. I think we all need to cool down and the fans who didn’t like TLJ need time to get that bad taste out of their mouths. Hopefully the Solo movie is what they’re looking for and they can enjoy a new film and have a bit more hope for the future of our favorite franchise

    • February 24, 2018 at 3:13 pm

      I concur.

    • February 24, 2018 at 4:04 pm

      Yep, but don’t be surprised if there’s a ton more whining from the ‘Ruin Johnson raped my childhood’ types if it’s not exactly what they envisage Star Wars should be.

  • February 24, 2018 at 1:49 am

    Am I the only one that didn’t particularly care for Black Panther? Not saying it was a bad film, but, to me at least, it was grossly overhyped.

    • February 24, 2018 at 9:50 pm

      Wonder Woman was another movie that was way overhyped.

    • February 26, 2018 at 1:11 am

      I didn’t hate it – and it’s certainly not a bad film, but it didn’t really engage me the way other MCU films did. I’d put it just above Incredible Hulk.

  • February 24, 2018 at 3:15 am

    Black Panther wasn’t a good film, it was in fact terrible. But in a way that was still entertaining, just not in the way the creators were aiming for.

    So how this guy could help Star Wars….um, he couldn’t.

    • February 24, 2018 at 7:43 pm

      Kathleen kennedy produced so many films that you probably love. You have no idea what you are saying.

  • February 24, 2018 at 5:29 am

    If Ryan Coogler is to take on a star wars project, it would be great to see him do a Lando solo film set between ROTS (or Solo) and ANH. Or perhaps a solo film for Finn taking place before TFA.

  • February 24, 2018 at 8:45 am

    The answer to the question is YES! Ryan Coogler would make an amazing Star Wars movie. Make it so!

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