Rian Johnson Speaks on Luke Skywalker’s Finale in Star Wars: The Last Jedi
Joseph Campbell once said “A hero is someone who has given his or her life to something bigger than oneself.” In The Last Jedi, we see the return of one of the most iconic heroes in all of film: Luke Skywalker. It’d been 40 years since we’ve heard Luke speak in a film. What was going through the Jedi’s mind? Why was he isolated? What could one Jedi possibly do to help a broken galaxy? Talking with the Huffington Post, The Last Jedi director Rian Johnson gave some insight on the finale of the film.
From the Huffington Post:
I don’t want to get too explicit, because I like people being able to have their own interpretations,” director Rian Johnson told HuffPost, “but I think definitely the act of what he does at the end literally just takes everything out of him. That’s a huge thing. Also … he’s having his final act be something of myth-making in a way.
The idea of Luke Skywalker being a legend is something we’ve now seen in The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi. In The Force Awakens, Rey is surprised that Luke is even real, as she thought his story was just a myth. The galaxy doesn’t know what has happened to Luke. Han Solo barely even knew.
Luke knows he can’t take on the First Order alone and win. He even says so in the film. Rian Johnson elaborated more on Luke’s mindset:
It does go back a little bit to what he said at the beginning [of “The Last Jedi”]. “What do you think one guy walking out there with a lightsaber [can do]?” … The answer is: Create a legend that will spread hope. And once he’s done that, combined with the physical toll it’s taken on him, you can make the case that then there’s nothing more powerful that he could accomplish.
Johnson went on saying:
The galaxy needs legends. I think about the look in Rey’s eyes in ‘The Force Awakens,’ when she says, ‘Luke Skywalker, I thought he was a myth,’ and that gleam in her eyes.
To play on Kylo Ren’s words in The Force Awakens, Luke knows what he has to do, but DOES have the strength to do it. The fight is just beginning, and Luke knows there’s only one way Luke can truly help the galaxy: by creating a legend. Rian Johnson explained the decision to kill Luke saying:
When I realized that that’s where Luke was going to get to by the end of the movie, and when I realized this was gonna be an emotionally rich arc for him, it seemed like if there was a time to give him his moment, this would be it,” Johnson said. “I wasn’t looking forward to it. I was kind of dreading it, but at the same time it felt like the right moment. It felt like the right time in this trilogy.
Death is not the end in the Star Wars universe. It’s more of a stepping off point. We know that force ghosts play a large part in Star Wars, especially after Yoda’s appearance as a force ghost in The Last Jedi. Will we see Luke Skywalker appear as a force ghost in Episode IX? Rian Johnson also spoke on just that:
The idea of Luke having passed into another realm and what the potential could be there for his involvement, that seems like it just gives you a whole other realm to get into if [Abrams and Terrio] chose to in the next film.
I think we definitely will see Luke as a force ghost in Episode IX. Being one of the only characters left from the original trilogy, I think Luke will at least play a role in IX. Even a scene like we saw with Yoda in The Last Jedi would be extremely fulfilling.
In one of the best moments in the film, Poe Dameron says, “we are the spark that will light the fire that will burn the First Order down.” After watching the film, it’s clear to me that Luke Skywalker is indeed that spark. Because of Luke’s selfless act, a rebellion is born again. The galaxy once again has a new hope.
Johnson knows how to tell a story. He gets it.
totally agree.
Re: “know how to tell a story”
Not only that… but a story that continues & completes a story that completes events going back to PT. Is fitting & respectful for the OT characters & an amazing end / arc for them.
Agreed. It can be tough for some fans to relinquish “ownership” of a franchise that they hold near and dear, but RJ really knows what he’s doing.
The goal of the Sequel trilogy seems to be to kill off the Skywalkers. I care nothing about Rey now that I know she’s not a Skywalker because that means she has no connection to the first 6 films.
The first 6 films stared a Skywalker, it was a huge part of what made the Saga films what they are. Now in the sequel trilogy they are either dead, beyond redemption, or their actress has passed on :'(
Me thinks this isn’t what George Planned.
An episode still remains.
Directed by the guy who gave Star Trek a Beastie Boys soundtrack.
maybe we can have a dirtbike chase
maybe we can have a dirtbike chase
I think some of this is subject to when these movies started production. It’s possible that had these begun filming 12 or so years ago, we’d have had a different story.
That said, these movies were always about passing the torch. As it turns out, passing the torch sort of sucks as we want our heroes to remain the focus of the films. But the wheels turns, people pass on, and others come to take their places. That’s…getting older.
I think understanding and accepting that is key. I don’t like seeing my heroes pass on, but I also really enjoy seeing the journeys of our new heroes.
We don’t know for certain what George planned although I suspect that down the road we’ll see a graphic novel adaptation of his original treatments. It might be years before this happens, but it’ll happen eventually. But there are hints here and there that suggest that a lot of what happens in the ST isn’t too far from George’s plan. If you read the “Art of” book for TLJ, it suggests that George’s treatment included a storyline whereas Luke was alone and sequestered on a planet; having gone into hiding for some reason; perhaps being haunted by a Sith spirit of some sort. From what I’ve been able to gather, Lucas’s E7 would have looked a bit more like TLJ than most of us would think, whereas TFA was purely a Lucasfilm creation without his influence.
Everything points to them wanting to get rid of the old cast. Even JJ said that’s why he kept Luke hidden because he didn’t want him to dominate the Force Awakens.
Everything points to them wanting to get rid of the old cast. Even JJ said that’s why he kept Luke hidden because he didn’t want him to dominate the Force Awakens.
Or, they are re-telling Anakin and Padme but this time we’ll see a happy ending, with the Skywalker bloodline being preserved.
Wouldn’t that be what George would have done?
Good. How many generations of this family do we need go through the same shit over and over again? It’s time to move on. Otherwise, we can look forward to Star Wars Episode XXXVIII, when the great, great, great, great grandson of Luke trains to become a Jedi but has to save his (insert relative here) from being seduced by (insert galactic overlord here) who is in control of the galaxy with his oppressive (insert fascist/authoritarian regime here.)
How many? Countless sorta like Legend of Zelda. The Skywalker lineage is a huge part of the appeal of Saga films for me. I have no problem with them making other Star Wars movies but these movies were supposed to be continuation of the Skywalker Saga not Rey Poe and Fin’s big spin off.
Which is why you have a Skywalker as the central villain…
Okay? That doesn’t make Rey the central character a Skywalker.
The central characters of the trilogy are Rey and Ren.
The central characters of the trilogy are Rey and Ren.
Whatever way you wanna spin it I’m not interested because the main hero from the trilogy is not a Skywalker.
It’s not a spin. The force awoke in two people, the light side and the dark. The conflict is between these two throughout the trilogy. And it’s time for the Skywalker story to end. Otherwise it’s nothing more than a predictable soap opera, the same thing over and over again.
Well that’s fine if the films work for you. But my original complaint was Rey not being a Skywalker and all I meant by “spin” Kylo being a Skywalker doesn’t make Rey not being one better for me.
Re: “or their actress has passed on” “Me thinks this isn’t what George Planned”
Damn you Rian Johnson for killing Carrie Fisher!
“Damn you” “George”
Dude GL is awesome!
All of this is nice and all, but he should have at least fought before he died. We will never see Luke fighting again, showing all his powers and what he can really do. And to me, that´s a huge wasted opportunity.
All of this is nice and all, but he should have at least fought before he died. We will never see Luke fighting again, showing all his powers and what he can really do. And to me, that´s a huge wasted opportunity.
When Luke fought, he dangerously skirted the dark side. We see this in the OT when he confronted Vader. Luke wasn’t about to walk before those walkers and destroy everything. Would it have been cool to see what other powers Luke has developed? Sure. But this movie told a story and wasn’t really intended to deliver a resume on Luke’s abilities.
Instead we saw a greater power.
Re: “We will never see Luke fighting again, showing all his powers”
“You will know (the good from the bad) when you are calm, at peace. Passive. A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack.” – Yoda
No… we saw Luke utilize knowledge & skill to outwit an undefeatable foe/situation – (paraphrased) “what do you expect one guy with a laser sword to step out & take on the FO”?
He was calm, at peace & passive. He used his immense power for defense *not* for attack. He saved the Resistance & ignited the spark which would bring down the FO.
He truly acted as a Jedi.
Just not the “let’s kick ass & take names” the boom-boom super-hero flick addicted fanboys wanted to see attacking the bad guys.
Much more respectful of the character, story, lore & myth of the Jedi.
Simply brilliant & fitting end to Luke’s story/arc.
Dead on. Exactly.
Dead on. Exactly.
“we are the spark that will light the fire that will burn the First Order down”.
For my taste this sentence is too long, too much elaborate and really cheese, and this characteristics rest the whole epicness has to give. For me in the movie doesn’t work very well.
Is like we were saying “may the force to guide your soul to be with you”, or something like that.
Would not be better the simple “we are the spark that will burn the First Order down”?
The spark itself is a light of fire, so putting in the same sentence seems redundant and unnecessary.
Or…
Poe says “My name is Sparky and I’m Leia & Holdo’s bitch”.
I interpreted that is:
1. The spark is the handful of the Resistance who are left.
2. The fire will be the New Rebellion that’s we’ll see in Episode IX who’ll ultimately prevail.
For me this is problematic for IX. In ANH we knew the rebellion had been around for some time and had only just had their first victory against the Empire. The rest of the OT we got to know more about the rebellion until they ultimately beat the Empire in ROTJ. Episode IX has to explain the rise of the new rebellion and in a way to make us care when they defeat the first order in the same movie. The only way this may work to a degree (and to explain Leias absence) is if there is a time jump of at least 5-10 years. However this still wouldn’t make me emotionally invested in this new rebellion. I think JJ has his work cut out big time.
I don’t see it that way. The nucleus of the Rebellion are the returning characters from Episodes 7 and 8. We’re already invested in them.
The difference there though is the OT characters story intertwined with the story of the rebellion through 3 movies. Episode IX will be like starting from scratch. Im concerned that IX has so much to set up and explain that its gonna be completely crammed.
It is a bit worrying. It certainly feels like it’ll need to be the longest Star Wars film ever to not feel massively rushed. With the way JJ Abrams handled Hosnian Prime, I’m not confident that he’ll consider the need to satisfy the audience sufficiently about where these new rebels have been drawn from, and in sufficient numbers to defeat the First Order. He’s got the absence of Carrie to deal with too, where you could easily see her being the glue that binds these new rebels together.
I hope he pulls it off. Kenny’s right about the people we’re invested in already, but seeing a huge rebellion force without sufficient explanation or build up as to how they managed to bring them together is going to cause more disagreements and fracturing of the fan base. Let’s hope they already had that planned out and that Carrie’s absence doesn’t impact on it too much.
Thank you. You put that much better than I did.
Yes, yes, I absolutely agree with you and understand your point. Is just I found this quote not a normal way of speaking. Is not that agile and it seems a little forced to hear. 😉
Yes, yes, I absolutely agree with you and understand your point. Is just I found this quote not a normal way of speaking. Is not that agile and it seems a little forced to hear. 😉
Would dead / inter-demensional Luke still have an insatiable thirst for alien body fluids?
Does ghost Yoda produce green jizz, and if so, would creepy Luke wanna guzzle that too?
Sorry… that’s gross and unnatural isn’t it?
If a female Jedi died while pregnant, would her force ghost be able to produce blue milk? And would it be wrong for ghost Luke to suckle dead Jedi teets? Are mommy issues always going to be a thing for Jedi?
This post is just wrong, I know — but why put that fucking scene in the movie, Rian? It’s every bit as disturbing as the pictures I’ve painted above.
its very clear to me that you thought this out with way more depth than the entire Last Jedi script
Dont worry if people dont get it, well have someone tweet out why they should get
And believe me, this is the least of what my thoughts fixate on…
…as I currently come to grips with the notion that multiverse theory is true, and there’s one particular parallel universe led by dark forces that’s depleting all others (including our own) of all their natural resources to the point of existential armageddon.
Happy Sunday everybody!
I going with that
Admit
it Rian, you screwed up with Luke. The way Luke’s character behaved
was not the Luke I knew from the original trilogy. He wouldn’t toss
behind his back the classic blue lightsaber as some piece of worthless
garbage, I mean come on, that’s a family heirloom, he would not do that.
That wasn’t funny, that was poor writing not knowing the character.
And then for him to be a hologram on the final fight scene, seemed week,
and just a letdown. I’m so upset at this movie, overall i give it 2.5
stars out of 5. What JJ started in TFA seemed to be forgotten or just
not followed up on in TLJ. it’s as if Disney doesn’t have an outline
and guide their following for episodes 7, 8,
Cry me a river
Once again, there is no willingness to accept the idea that a person can change over the course of 30 years and after tragic experiences. Luke Skywalker simply should’ve been his 25 year old self, unchanged except for his beard and graying hair?
Once again, there is no willingness to accept the idea that a person can change over the course of 30 years and after tragic experiences. Luke Skywalker simply should’ve been his 25 year old self, unchanged except for his beard and graying hair?
The Myth is going to benefit Kylo Ren.
“After Luke Skywalker stops the First Order single handily in the battle for Crait. Kylo Ren faces Luke Skywalker to a duel to the death & defeats him.”
So it looks to me like Kylo becomes the new Legend.
I wanted to see Luke Skywalker powerful like in the Dark Empire comic series from the early 90’s, with him taken out star destroyers from land with the Force. He didn’t need to be a hologram at the end fight, he should’ve been super bad ass Luke, and dies in a bloody fight with Kylo, and the First Order military dumping everything on him, and he defends and saves the Rebels, but dies in the process, that would’ve been way better
So you wanted no tension.
So you wanted no tension.
Only problem there is with the Emperor being so powerful, why didn’t he crush ships with the force in RotJ. Though he could simply be just using his new toy, it would of been a great demonstration of power to Luke.
Heh. Have you actually read Dark Empire. It’s the worst.
I hope Kylo Ren stops being pussy Vader as my friends call him, or Emo Vader, and grows a pair and takes the bad ass crown for himself 100%. And let’s see him kill Rey in Episode 9, and have the First Order win, and the Resistance taken out, and have the movie end that way, with Kylo as the King Sith ruler of the Galaxy, and the return of the Empire, and ends on that note. The Empire is in control, and the Rebels completely destroyed and gone.
Worst choice you could have made Rian Johnson. Luke should have been kept alive and not killed off. He is the most important character in the saga. This was really predictable. I knew it was gonna happen long before I saw the movie. Really disappointed.
No you didn’t.
He was the most important character in the last trilogy. This trilogy isn’t really about him.
After the crap that was TLJ, and I am a huge Star Wars fan, I have very little interest in Episode 9 now. Normally I am foaming at the mouth for the next movie, but not now.
But you’ll be there opening night.
Unfortunately. Then we’ll have to hear him cry all over again.
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I not only dont care about E9, i dont care about the entire post E6 era from Disney and im going back to the original EU.
I not only dont care about E9, i dont care about the entire post E6 era from Disney and im going back to the original EU.
Too many complainers
too many excuses
Exactly
Disney is killing this franchise. At least Rogue One was awesome, that’s the only good Disney made Star Wars film so far. Ep. 7 and Ep. 8 were very mediocre at best, more like lame and just bad Sci Fi movies, if they didn’t have the Star Wars name and characters those movies would’ve bombed. But Rouge One is one of the top SW movies ever, out of 9 movies so far, it’s in top the 3 or 4.
R1 is my favourite without a doubt.
What was so great about R1? I genuinely have no idea what people see in that movie other than it was some fun SW eye candy. The characters were bland and forgettable. There was no great urgency in seeing a story about some people stealing a hard drive.
I feel the same way
sorry rian, your franchise dreams are done
I can’t wait to see your words proved wrong.
Can’t imagine the mess he’ll make with the new trilogy.
I’m worried & I’m someone that gives TLJ a marginal thumbs up.
He’s not tied to the expectations of demanding fanboys unwilling to accept change and only want safe Star Wars comfort food.
The Sequel films are the very definition of unoriginal ideas. What exactly is so groundbreaking with these films? They are both a rehash of the OT. Same old conflict. Boring.
Ikr. I hated the part in Empire Strikes Back when Darth Vader becomes the new Emperor and the Obi-Wan beams himself across the galaxy to save the last remnants of the Rebellion.
Oh wait….
Are you kidding? The entire concept of who can master the force has been changed with this movie. It’s no longer limited to the Jedi vs. Sith dichotomy, midiclorians, or lineage. It rejects the misguided dogma of the Jedi and proves that anyone from anywhere can experience the force.
Are you kidding? The entire concept of who can master the force has been changed with this movie. It’s no longer limited to the Jedi vs. Sith dichotomy, midiclorians, or lineage. It rejects the misguided dogma of the Jedi and proves that anyone from anywhere can experience the force.
not a new concept, watch rebels or clone wars, non jedi or sith force users everywhere, more in the EU, but that doesn’t count anymore
I don’t care about cartoon shows. I’m talking about the movies.
That was always the case… since 1977.
No it wasn’t. It was exclusive to the Jedi. To those of a certain lineage. To those of adequate training. To those with high midiclorian counts.
Personally, I never saw it like that. That’s your own interpretation. And I never heard of ‘midichlorians’….
I don’t mind change. I mind nonsensical scripts, plot holes, bad lines, bad acting, and poor visuals. TLJ is full of those.
You would say the same thing about Empire if it were released today.
The look Luke gave Rey at the end TFA was more than just a hermit being disturbed by a stranger. It totally looked like he knew her from his past and was sad and happy. I hope JJ fixes that.
I don’t know wtf johnson was thinking and tries to make sense of this choice killing off Luke in this really cheap way that says it brings hope. No it doesn’t. It just makes the rebels look weak and there’s no one there to help them now. Mark is right. Luke would never just give up. Should have gone with Rey or in his x wing reunited everyone and saved the day.
That’s the skywalker way.
So what are we gonna call this new trilogy. There’s original, prequel, sequel, now Threequel?!
how about “On hold”
Well I don’t want to disappoint you, but RJ & JJ collaborated on these movies to some degree, and on the end of VII & the beginning of VII especially. In fact, JJ is executive producer of TLJ. I’m sure they’ve had tons of discussions.
You mean like this discussion?
JJ – “Hey buddy, can you make a film so shitty that everyone will forget their trivial gripes with my mildly flawed, yet very lovingly-made revival movie?”
RJ – “Even better, sir — it’ll be so mind-mindbogglingly craptastic that those same nitpickers will beg to have you back.”
No. Not like that at all. Abrams and Johnson did work together; probably a bit more than people suspect. Johnson, in fact, was writing TLJ as Abrams was working on TFA. This idea being bandied about by some fans that Johnson wrote this movie in a complete vacuum just doesn’t bear up to scrutiny.
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Welcome back — you’ve missed so much fun here the last few weeks. 😉
I think lots of this stuff might have looked way better on paper. Rian actually put a few things in this film that I thought I wanted to see, but the tone and execution just didn’t work for me at all.
Yeah, I’m a bit out of the loop right now. My wife and I have started the process of moving and selling our house and purchasing a new one. I’ve owned my current home for 10 years and I’ve flat forgotten what a miserable process it all is. Talking (even arguing) about Star Wars is way more fun. And less stressful.
Yeah, moving sucks, especially in winter if that’s a factor where you are.
So… overall, you’re happy with TLJ? No gripes? Perhaps a few? Just curious.
I’m in Cleveland so, yeah, winter eats it.
I really, really liked TLJ. The first time I saw it, I wasn’t sure. But I thought about it a bit, had a couple beers with some buddies and jawed about it, gave it a second viewing, and came away very pleased. It’s not exactly what I wanted and it’s not exactly what I thought I would get, but I think it was a great character-centered story.
Gripes? Yeah, a few. I thought Holdo was sort of a waste (although I could stare at Laura Dern all day – she’s a fine wine – she gets better with age). And I thought the whole subplot of her keeping the Resistance aims from Poe rather clunky. I think some of the humor fell flat.
My biggest gripe is about the scale of the conflict. I’d rather have the First Order’s incursion into New Republic territory be limited in scope. The same human drama could take place, but without the galaxy-threatening scale. All of a sudden, the First Order goes from some Imperial remnant nibbling at the edges of the Republic to a new Empire. I don’t know…it all happened sort of fast.
That’s fair. You’ll see on the board, I can’t help how much disdain I feel for the film. I’ll probably continue to be grumpy about it and encourage like minds to do the same, in case putting the notion out there that we deserve much better somehow catches on with the masters.
(And that would be win-win for everybody, I’d hope.)
i’m with you there
So Rian is a liar, right, when he said so many times he wasn´t given any single instruction about this movie and he started with a blanc paper….
Relax.
Don’t agree, but that is so funny!!
Rian – Hey JJ, can I just ignore the McGuffin of the previous movie, you know – the map Luke left behind. I would really love Luke comes here to die, not to be ever find….Why of course, Rian, do whatever pleases you….
We don¨t know what¨s the deal with the whole map thing ,yet. I¨m sure there will be an explanation for hc fans who dives into every little detail,someday, in some form (comic,tv show, whatever). Hell, I would like to know. But for casual fan, or movie viewer, I don¨t think that backstory is important.
And trilogy is not over yet, wait till IX.
I just feel JJ handled the story better.
It is your opinion, I respect that. But for me, no way. And don’t get me wrong, I love TFA, but I think JJ had easier task to do. Introduce new characters, bring old, and throw here and there some familiar stuff for fans, which he did great. In TLJ, you already know most of the characters,so you have to develop what’s been established, and it’s the second film of the trilogy, so you have to challenge them. For me TLJ brings something new, opens more possibilities for future content.
And when I compare story arc and death of Han with Luke’s, Luke’s had bigger impact on me,it works better for me,but it is my personal view, don’t have to be yours.
Yes. I agree with that. This chapter had to have new conflicts and characters. But I just didn’t like the snoke part and fin rose adventure. I loved luke I wish he was in it more. I feel like he didn’t get enough and they could have used him and Rey training for most of the fin/rose
For die hard fans, yes. But for casual viewer it could be boring because when you think about it, they spent a fair amount of time on that island- Luke/Rey part, Kylo/Rey skype thing, Luke/Yoda sequence + the ending. For me? I would love it. For movie? I think it is better as it is.Remember Luke’s training in ESB, it wasn’t much longer and I think Rey’s training isn’t over yet. We will see something from Luke and Rey in IX. And also one of deleted scenes we will get was told to be Rey’s training. So as Snoke once said: “We shall see, we shall see.”
For die hard fans, yes. But for casual viewer it could be boring because when you think about it, they spent a fair amount of time on that island- Luke/Rey part, Kylo/Rey skype thing, Luke/Yoda sequence + the ending. For me? I would love it. For movie? I think it is better as it is.Remember Luke’s training in ESB, it wasn’t much longer and I think Rey’s training isn’t over yet. We will see something from Luke and Rey in IX. And also one of deleted scenes we will get was told to be Rey’s training. So as Snoke once said: “We shall see, we shall see.”
Yes. That’s a good point. I do hope we see more of the luke rey AND I hope obi wanfinally shows up and I feel he will reveal Rey’s true family just as he confirmed Luke’s and told him he had a sister. I feel like obi wan has been kept secret for this reason. Her parents may have been useless junk traders that sold her but one of them could have been related to him and she was the lucky one who got the force genes. Yes we shall see…
The choice for Luke to throw the lightsaber away just for a giggle was a cheap (writing) shot. Even Luke would understand the significance of the saber.
Yes, the worst scene ever. It looked like a scene from Space Balls. No point really and no dramatic effect.
Exactly! I was pretty shocked when did that
It would be interesting to know what stage directions JJ gave Mark for that scene.
It would be interesting to know what stage directions JJ gave Mark for that scene.
We know. Mark and Daisy said that after that look they embrace each other. When starting Last Jedi Mark went to Rian saying hey dude, this is wrong, it can´t continue this way…..Rian said Oh don´t worry I will ask JJ to cut it out. So there you go – the look was sad bud he knew her. Oh, wait, he doesn´t 🙂
I have this feeling they may have been some rivalry between Rian and JJ, and Rian just said I’m going to take everything you set up and ruin it.
JJ literally said the wished he could have directed TLJ’s script, which he helped produce by the way. So much for a “rivalry”.
JJ literally said the wished he could have directed TLJ’s script, which he helped produce by the way. So much for a “rivalry”.
I know right
She held out the saber and he didn’t want to be found. Nothing more.
Well that’s why that movie sucked. No explanation for anything. Force just chooses people. Lukes just there to hide and then dies. Nah…there is more. JJ can do whatever the hell he wants he’s the one who set this trilogy up and wants to finish it with s connection to all three. So Rey being no one makes no sense. It’s useless to the story.
I think it explained plenty.
Rian seems to want to out surprise Lucas. He easily could have left Luke alive or a mystery and let JJ decide what happened to Luke in 9.
I loved TLJ! There were problems i had but hey i hope JJ clears up those problems in Ep 9. I didn’t care if Luke Lived or died after all these movies are about the new characters not the old.
I expected Luke to die so i was not all that surprised i just thought that he might die in episode 9!
Not sad or mad i’m not going to complain about a star Wars movie i’m just going to sit and eat my popcorn and enjoy a movie not get all upset about what happens
There’s not much left for JJ to work on. But I’d rather have him at th helm than RJ.
Rian should have his own trilogy , Ya can’t mess up what nobody knows about!
Its a pity that a film has to be defended like this, it had its flaws, but overall the arc of Luke was fine. Luke is suffering from depression people.
Interesting hint at the end. I recall reading once, no idea where so don’t ask, but it mentioned the ST having the light and dark actually fighting on a different plane. Would be interesting to see JJ go that route IMO.
Bring in the Youzan Vong and have them fight both the First Order and the Resistance , having no other options join forces in a trilogy to fight a common enemy
Maybe Bring Thrawn into it, put Prince Xisor yes make him Cannon
Common enemy I agree – but we need something new and fresh than the Youzan Vong.
Not a big fan of the new Thrawn in Rebels tbh, though Prince Xisor would be amazing.
That’s a lot to cram into one trilogy, but I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing those various elements in future movies. Having the Chiss Ascendancy in IX or having the Yuuzhan Vong as the main villains of a future trilogy would be cool.
That’s a lot to cram into one trilogy, but I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing those various elements in future movies. Having the Chiss Ascendancy in IX or having the Yuuzhan Vong as the main villains of a future trilogy would be cool.
The last thing we need to see in Ep 9 are dark and light ghosts fighting each other ! I hope JJ simply forgets and ignores reality-interacting ghosts, astral projection, mind links and all the nonsense in RJ’s weird script,
“dark and light ghosts fighting each other” – shows the limits of your imagination.
In reality it doesn’t even need to be shown, Yoda or Luke could manifest and simply inform Rey of the bigger picture.
It didn’t work for me… but I just don’t get that upset anymore. It is what it is. I’ve still got my OT, R1 and other aspects of Star Wars to enjoy. I was always a Solo, Fett kind of guy anyway. I loved normal people dealing with super natural problems like the Force.
“I’ve still got my OT, R1 and other aspects of Star Wars to enjoy.”
This is a healthy attitude and one that kept me afloat during the Prequel era. I was fairly disappointed with those movies, but there wasn’t anything about them that tainted my enjoyment of the OT. Nothing ever will.
I had a similar experience with the Lord of the Rings films. While I feel that Peter Jackson did a lot right with those movies, I feel that he also dropped the ball here and there. That said, the movies are not the books and nothing in Tolkien’s literature was rewritten as a result of Jackson’s films. Nothing in the OT has changed as a result of the Prequels or the Sequels. You can still watch them as their own things.
Too bad I can only give you an up-vote once.
Too bad I can only give you an up-vote once.
Sabine Wren from Mandalore was/is(?) one of the founders of the rebels. The darksaber was/is with her. Say Boba Fett (from Mandalore) survived the Sarlacc, he could join the resistance bringing one favorite icon and the Slave One (!!!) back to the stage! To turn against the First Order that eventualy left him for dead.
He’d be one old dude. Still I’m willing to see Fett back in anyway I can get him. Yes even at the risk of it being bungled. I still hope that rumored Bounty Hunter thing is being kicked around.
Hoping we see Fett in Solo.
Without a doubt!
Forgot about that potentially happening. Fett in his prime!
After my first viewing, I came away with a sense of emptiness and unfillment. After a second viewing, I came away exhilarated and with faith renewed. I can now safely say I am a fan of TLJ. Having said all that, I do feel what they did with Luke was incorrect. I get that the angle was to have Luke become a legend, but what did he really achieve? Sure, he amazed us all with his force projection skills, he made Kylo look a fool too but he isn’t around to capitalise on his advantage. Luke put on a magic show, witnessed by only a few, where the ultimate outcome is that Kylo got exactly what he wanted – a galaxy without Luke Skywalker. I just don’t really see what Luke did that will incite the masses to rise up against the FO.
Luke IS Star Wars for me. I feel his ‘death’ was a bit cheap, a bit too soon and not performed in the manner that the Luke Skywalker portrayed in previous films, Battlefront 2 etc would adhere to. He will no doubt be back in the next film, so I can only hope whatever part he has left to play is meaningful, awe-inspiring and gigantic.
The other thing that bothers me relates to Obi-Wan telling Ezra in Rebels that Luke is the Chosen One. This whole ‘Chosen One’ concept seems to have entirely disappeared, but Luke was not so long ago in current media confirmed as the one who would bring balance to the Force. How can he be the Chosen One if he’s not around? The Force wasn’t exactly in balance during his exile but rather the Force was in Exile at the same time, not to mention that Luke had closed himself off to the Force. So he really couldn’t have been the Chosen One. Essentially, the Chosen One concept does not exist in the sequel trilogy yet did exist last season in Rebels. Did they just forget about this?
I think TLJ will get a re-evaluation from everyone when it comes to Blu-ray this spring. I didn’t like it opening weekend and was pretty mad so I decided to wait til the spring and will watch it at home with a different context.
TLJ didn’t click for me like TFA did as I’ve watched this 20+ times. But I think I can find a context to enjoy TLJ just as I did with the PT as you appreciate the good things and tolerate the bad things. Right now I’m just not ready for that, but time heals all wounds!
Thats my reaction to viewing 1 vs 2 as well! I adore TLJ now more each time I see it.
The kids at the end were already telling the story of what had happened and reenacting it with their toys. The legend that will get told around the galaxy is that Luke Skywalker faced down the whole first order with his laser sword and won. That not even the full force of the first order can bring him down…that maybe the tiny rebellion can win!
These are the kinds of stories in the Legends of Luke Skywalker, things that seem so fantastic that you don’t see how they can be real, but which people talk about with awe.
Luke didn’t really win, in a very real way Kylo did. Luke put on a show, a demonstration to primarily Kylo that “this will not go the way you think” to coin his own phrase. But ultimately, Kylo got what he desired the most.
For me at least, and I’m honestly only stating a personal opinion, the scene would’ve been fantastic if Luke hadn’t passed on. He demonstrated his power and his renewed desire to help the Resistance all from the safety and comfort of Ahch-to. This act in itself was enough to really propel the legend of Luke Skywalker, as it showed cunning and guilde. He didn’t need to ‘die’. It was the death that, to me, felt pointless, from a narrative perspective. The trilogy would’ve been tantalisingly poised at that moment, with two powerful, force-sensitive characters facing off and the audience none the wiser as to who the victor would be in the next film.
It’s only the death I really feel was needless.
Its what happened in the eyes of the galaxy that matters though. The resistance was about to be wiped out and Luke Skywalkers faced down the first order and saved the the resistance. Its the kind of thing that will be a spark to get more people to support the new rebellion.
I can’t really imagine a situation that I would feel more satisfied with Luke going out in. I’d have HATED to see him actually be defeated by Kylo Ren. If he was actually on Crait he would not have survived the assault by the walkers. He went out on his terms doing something incredible awesome and new. And I have no doubt he will be back to help Rey further the “legend” of Luke Skywalker and the Jedi and further help the resistance grow..
The idea that the New Republic would have collapsed after the attack on the Hosnian system or that the hundreds of neutral systems would have bowed to the FO is completely nonsensical, especially after the Resistance had blown up Starkiller base. It was just lazy writing by RJ to basically reset the clock to the same state of the galaxy as in the end of ROTS.
Its been a week (if that?). I’m sure most systems don’t know what they are doing yet.
JJ is the one who wrote that the Resistance was all that was left once the NR was destroyed. Don’t get it twisted.
How could the kids on Cantonica know what had just happened on Crait ? I would imagine that the Resistance blowing up Starkiller base should have been far more inspirational than the debacle on Crait, which was a poor man’s version of Dunkirk.
How could the kids on Cantonica know what had just happened on Crait ? I would imagine that the Resistance blowing up Starkiller base should have been far more inspirational than the debacle on Crait, which was a poor man’s version of Dunkirk.
those kids were probably beaten or killed for letting those horse/dogs escape. Why didn’t Rose rescue those kids instead?
When did she give him the ring?
Why did they park on the beach?
Why was DJ in jail when he could have broke out anytime?
Was that a double-triple cross where the First Order knew they would be arrested for parking on the beach?
Where did all those pilots go at the end of Force Awakens
Does Rey have amnesia, and she cant remember Poe from the R2 map scene.
How did R2, 3po, and Chewie remain true to their characters, without Rian destroying their legacy?
How did Dj know what the resistance plan was?
How did DJ know but not Poe?
How did the top of that At-St come off, the Ewoks had a tough time with them?
Why didn’t the at-ats at the end open fire on Finn and Rose, there just sitting there in the open?
How did Rey get back to the Falcon?
How did Luke learn how to swim? How did Rey?
How did Finn learn how to fly? when? where?
Why couldn’t we get a shot of Rey and the bomber girl, establishing there relationship early in the film, I thought they were a couple, not siblings?
THe part about DJ knowing Admiral Holdo’s plan is the worst for me since no one ever told him or Finn about it.
Rose and Finn talks to Poe about it via their comlink, and DJ is sitting right behind them. They even give him a suspicious look after that… But yeah, it’s obviously a plot hole.
Most of the questions above are stupid, and a lot of them were even answered in the movie. For example, Rey is a young adult, we haven’t seen her life, there’s looooads of possibilities for how she learnt to swim.
And DJ said in his dialogue that he was sleeping when rose and finn came into the prison. Maybe he took the chance to sleep there when he got busted? You are really grasping for straws.
was that on the back of a cereal box? because it wasn’t in the film> I asked legit questions, I get no answers
Lots of water for swimming on a desert planet, you know all the ones Finn walked by just before he meets Rey. this film has looooads of bullshit compaired to the Force Awakens
I don’t know anything about the first 10 years of Rey’s life, do you? We don’t know she’s always been on Jakku.
There is literally a scene in the movie of Finn and DJ listening to Poe as he says Holdo is loading everyone on transports and abandoning ship.
I could answer almost every single one of there, but honestly did you even watch the movie?
I could answer almost every single one of there, but honestly did you even watch the movie?
Literally none of these questions matter in the slightest.
sure they dont, Mr Johnson
For example,
“How did the top of that At-St come off, the Ewoks had a tough time with them?”
I would assume that the FO AT-STs are a different build since they look different. But regardless, it doesn’t matter. i could just as easily say “Why doesn’t Darth Vader’s TIE fighter blow up? They don’t SAY that it has shields!”
Your stupid questions are just there to justify blind hatred for a film that proved your Snoke theory wrong. This is why no one will take SW fans seriously.
and nobody believes the Disney shills.
I asked some good questions, some tounge in cheek, whatever compairing last jedi to Force Awakens is like compairing a shit stain in the toilet to picasso
This has to win a prize for most inane list of questions regarding a Star Wars movie. Can you imagine a movie in which all of these boring points were explained when most of it can be answered by anyone with a modicum of common sense and imagination? It would be like characters narrating each and every move they make.
“Oh look, the top of that AT-ST is tethered to a wall, the force created by it the bottom moving tore the whole thing off!”
*massive eye roll*
IKR? Can you IMAGINE the dialogue in a movie like that?
“Leave this island Rey. Oh, and by the way, I learned how to swim a few years back. Just thought you should know that, as if it fucking matters!”
IKR? Can you IMAGINE the dialogue in a movie like that?
“Leave this island Rey. Oh, and by the way, I learned how to swim a few years back. Just thought you should know that, as if it fucking matters!”
And to be completely pedantic, if you look closely, Rey isn’t actually swimming anyway. She’s flailing and splashing around trying not to drown.
Simple….. They have no idea what they are doing.
After two viewings, I came out with no feelings at all. The movie is just bland and forgettable. There is no emotional connection either with the audience or between the characters.
Speak for yourself.
That’s exactly how I interpreted the finale, thought it was crystal clear. Been very surprised by some ‘fans’ reactions. In years to come I think TLJ will be seen as a great Star Wars film. And many more years after that when a new trilogy starts fans will say that the new trilogy sucks compared to the sequel trilogy. I’ve seen it all before it happens with Star Trek and Dr who too, it’s just a never ending cycle of bitching and moaning.
I agree. I think TLJ will get a much fairer treatment in years to come, especially as the kids of today grow up. They’ll be the ones who get inspired by this new trilogy without the hangups and preconceived notions that some older fans have.
Time will tell…..but I’d bet just the opposite.
He can come back as a ghost and set Kylo on fire when he’s asleep. Fin! It’ll only take a couple of hours to film IX. Maybe release it as a GIF?
Lol exactly!! Especially as we now know force ghosts can interact with the real world!
why they never helped Luke to fight Vader and Sidious? Why they didn´t save new Luke´s students from Ben?????? Why they didn´t kill Snoke?
“it felt like the right moment. It felt like the right time in this trilogy”
What a crock of crap.
After watching the film it felt completely premature and something that should have been left until Episode 9.
Along with Snoke, I just got the feeling that Rian Johnson was trying to be ultra edgy and turning Star Wars into a Game of Thrones-esque “Oh my god did they just kill that guy?” cheap shock schlock.
It would’ve been boring and repetitive if Snoke was kept alive. We get to see the apprentice become the master so to speak. Kylo has a much larger role than Vader ever did. And that to me is interesting.
Then you would’ve gotten another climactic Act 3 showdown with the supreme leader of the galaxy and people would say its just a rehash of Return of the Jedi. There is no way to do this thing without people complaining about it being too similar or too different.
The amount of “explaining” that RJ has been doing lately and the defensive tone he nornally uses are symptoms of how wrong his script was.
It’s a symptom of how needy and obsessed the fanboys are. No audience members *need* and explanation for much of anything in TLJ; it’s all self-evident. but people can’t be satisfied with anything they;re given.
Also, I don’t think some people paid attention very well. People seem to have missed MANY details that shed light on many people’s “plot holes”.
Yep. People have such short attention spans nowadays.
The most frustrating thing about the Last Jedi debacle is that now JJ is going to just put out an ultra-safe Ep9 that has all of the same issues as Ep7 did. Ep7 was too safe, Ep8 was too edgy. They both needed to be somewhere in the middle. I fear that Ep9 is going to be as bland as 7 now.
Not sure, because JJ liked Johnson’s take. And if he indeed plans to source from the prequels some things, it might be an interesting outcome.
Yeah, this is definitely what I gleaned from the end of it. Luke finally becomes the inspiring legend that Rey wanted him to be and that Yoda knew he could be; he restored hope in the Resistance, ultimately damaging the First Order more than he ever could have as a flesh-and-blood human. Plus, he “defeats” Kylo Ren without ever actually physically threatening him. It’s the perfect end to his arc.
And the perfect representation of a Jedi
Off topic here but it’s something that’s been really bugging me. If TLJ starts virtually straight after TFA where the hell is Black Squadron, Snap, Jess etc!? There’s no sign of them in TLJ. There’s no mention of them either. Did they get lost in hyperspace on the way back from destroying Starkiller? Does anyone know or have a good theory?
It is just another continuity error, like Poe introducing himself to Rey at the end of TLJ when they must have probably met before at the end of TFA given that they were in the same room when R2 displayed the map to Luke’s hideout.
Re: “when they must have probably”
Is that “must have” or “probably”?
Either way… “plot hole” because you’re convinced for some reason they were introduced is asinine.
Rey and Poe watching R2 and BB8 map out Lukes location
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You’ve never been in a room with someone and not officially been introduced to them?
I was happy to see two of our main characters first interaction. If they had just started talking like they knew each other I’m sure people would complain about that too.
well if that person had cared for my droid for the last few days, then I would go over and say hi, but your right everybody in Last Jedi is so superficial, I guess I could see that happening, like some twisted sense of entitlement
They spent a great amounf of time together on the Rebel base after just having blown up Starkiller base. It is inconceivable to me that they were not introduced to each other before. So, yes,they must have.
Poe: ” hey, I hear you took care of my bb droid for me, Thanks”
Rey: ” sure, it was no problem, thanks for trying to stop Kylo Ren from kidnapping me on Maz’s planet”
until you didn’t see the introduction on screen, it didn’t happen. Just as not seeing the death of a character because he fell down a pit in Star Wars it doesn’t mean he is dead.
Rian Johnson wrote the script for Last Jedi before they had finished Force Awakens…. thats right he didn’t even see the finished film, the film he was making a DIRECT sequal to.
What could go wrong?
Before the Force Awakens was *released*. the script for TFA had been finished for quite a while, actually. get your facts straight.
And Rian Johnson then had months to watch the completed movie to tweak things before filming began.
The completed movie has no scene in which Poe and Rey are formerly introduced, so watching TFA would have had no effect. The scene in which they meet is in the novelization. But regardless, I personally didn’t have a problem with the introduction scene in TLJ. I just assumed that Rey forgot that they met, which is why Poe says “I know who you are.”
I haven’t finished the Poe Dameron comics, though I suspect they either die before TFA, or die around Starkiller base. I don’t really know the ST pilot names, so can’t be sure, anyhow I recall JJ’s childhood friend was supposed to have a line like “I got shot!” and die, but the actor refused to say it. If he was one of those aforementioned pilots, he died offscreen. Maybe everyone died in the hangar explosion on the Raddus. I have to look up this.
“According to the Visual Dictionary, most of the pilots who remained after the Starkiller Base attack were sent to other evacuation points across the galaxy, or on other missions at the time of the fleet’s escape from D’Qar. So yes, there’s a good chance the likes of Snap Wexley and Jess Pava are still alive—and maybe not everything is quite so dire for the Resistance’s numbers heading into Episode IX.” – io9.com
On a related note, the end of TFA has a continuity problem that TLJ inherits. We don’t know how long it takes Rey to make it to Ach-To, nor how much later from the moment she leaves D’Kar that the Resistance starts evacuating. Or, for that matter, when the New Order musters their forces to retaliate.
There’s an unknown period of time where anything could have happened with Black Squadron.
wait theres actually an official source that explains sending off your protection detail instead of protecting the evacuation ships? and these pilots could have been recalled to help during that pursuit?
and if there was some secret location everybody went to , why didn’t come to help at Crait?
That’s great but we shouldn’t have to read the visual dictionary to find that out. Just a couple of lines in the movie would have helped.
I figured they were just off doing something in the background. Just because they’re not shown doesn’t mean they’re not there.
While I liked the whole force projection battle with Ren, I do not understand the need to kill him off. He could also have equally become a living legend. For me they could have left it as a cliffhanger whether Luke survived or not.
Would have been FAR better.
They killed him off to prevent the mistake of the EU. In which Luke was the focal point of every event and overshadowed all other characters.
exactly why he wont be back in ep9. Now that its been established that force ghosts can destroy things, whats to stop Luke from just destroying that new Death Star from the beyond.
Why does his robotic hand vanish with the rest of him?
Why does his robotic hand vanish with the rest of him?
Good one! Not sure… I’d guess that it was an integral part of him through the Force by that point in his existence. But who knows – Pablo Hidalgo, maybe? You make an excellent point.
If Disney wants a fresh start with the new characters, why does anyone think they will bring back luke? This is just damage control now, not just this film but the entire franchise.
Bold ?,.. no just lazy storytelling
I pretty much agree with the whole thing. That’s definitely the coolest way Luke could have died: by projecting himself from across the galaxy on a planet and walk in front of a fully weaponed army. A moment that reminded me much of the Old Republic, that is a,ong the most epic ones of Star Wars as a whole.
Why the rush to PREMATURELY “kill off” Luke though? Couldn’t his grandiose, myth-making-death be held off for 9? So we could get at least two films of Luke being a hero? Oh wait, Ruin Johnson doesn’t like satisfying storylines, he likes frustration and disappointment. I’m calling it now — Disney will PAY for this at the Box Office. Without LUKE or HAN to draw the masses, your average, casual movie-goer is currently looking at Rey like Ruin instructed us to: She’s a nobody.
we didn’t even get one film of him being a hero, he pouted the whole time, never did anything to help anyone, and when it came down to crunch time he didn’t even show up.
Exactly why I am so disappointed in this film. The ENTIRE TFA sets up Luke as this “messiah” that they need to find, and then Ruin give us Pouty-Mean-Luke.
Disney pulled a classic bait and switch with the fans.
Ruin Johnson did. Yes.
TFA didn’t set him up as a messiah. Han literally said he left out of guilt and shame.
The whole “we have to find Luke” was setting him up as a messiah. You don’t search for a disappointment.
“Ruin” Johnson had to find an explanation, why Luke was on that island. What would have been your answer to that question? Why was he taking a sabbatical/exile if he knew there was a Snoke and a Kylo Ren in that galaxy?
God forbid they make the character interesting
God forbid they make the character interesting
So pouty and mean = interesting? gotcha.
So pouty and mean = interesting? gotcha.
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If Luke was the messiah he wouldn’t be exiled there on the island to begin with.
He wasn’t exiled. He was on a sabbatical. HUGE difference and invalid comparison.
Wrong. He disappeared without informing anyone of his whereabouts despite the growing threat of the FO.
We got 3 films of Luke being a hero. Did you also want Yoda or Kenobi to save the day in the OT? It’s not Luke’s story. Im sorry, but if you can’t get over that then you were always doomed to hate the sequels.
i liked Force Awakens very much, but that film and Last Jedi are far from equal
Shame you cant see the difference
“we didn’t even get one film of him being a hero…never did anything to help anyone”
Not only is your comment shallow, you completely ignore the fact that Luke did help. Just not in the way you wanted. Rewatch TFA, there is no indication that Luke would be the hero you wanted him to. He was hiding on an island as millions suffered at the hands of the First Order. If you hate Luke’s direction then go blame TFA and Abrams. This movie only followed on what was established with Luke’s arc.
Luke literally phoned it in at the end.
JJ and Rian had 180 degree differences in Luke direction, I just preferred JJ’s. remember the opening crawl to Force Awakens?
I agree! TFA is fun, but TLJ is a much more interesting and just an all around better film!
He did show up in the end didn’t he? Don’t say no he phoned it in.
haha, too late, I already said he phoned it in,
Jedi style, too lazy to get up and actually go there
I know you did lol!
“never did anything to help anyone”
So literally saving the entire Resistance and creating a legend that inspired countless people across the galaxy is nothing now?
the six people at the end on the Falcon, or the entire fleet when Rey asked him to leave at the beginning?
the six people at the end on the Falcon, or the entire fleet when Rey asked him to leave at the beginning?
How could Luke have helped the fleet?
hurry Luke theres only 300 of us left
what do you want me to do about it?
hurry luke were running out of fuel
what do you want me to do about it?
hurry luke were down to escape pods
what do you want me to do about it?
hurry luke theres only 10 of us left
ok, im coming, time to be Rian Johnsons idea of a hero
That’s not an answer. Don’t dodge the question; how is he supposed to have helped the fleet? What could he have done? it’s not as if he and Rey even knew that the Fleet was having fuel problems anyway; Rey left before the resistance evacuation was even finished.
first start with a sensible script, dont let the story pingeon hole the characters. Develop a story that flows, not all over place.
Dont ask me to answer a question to clear up a plot point, that should have never developed to begin with
I’ll tell you why. It’s because the story is getting set up so Rey and Ben will be together. That is the end point. The happy ending that we will see. The saga will come full circle. That’s why there was no physical lightsaber duel between Luke and Ben, because if Luke won, there would be no Reylo, as Ben would be dead. Likewise if Ben had won, there would be no Reylo as Rey would never have forgiven Ben. All of these things are happening for a reason.
dude, your not serious – Reylo? really?
even if you are, he is going to die in the next film, no Skywalkers past ep 9
Reylo?
I’m very serious. Their union will preserve the Skywalker bloodline. Why else do you thing Rey is a nobody? Look how close they almost became in The Last Jedi. We’re constantly being teased this. Two sides of the same coin that will end up together.
Good lord this is going to be so lame…..
my God, its turning into some teen angst drama.
complete with hissy fits
They don’t have to be lovers for Reylo to be the end point. That just means that Rey is going to save Ben from the dark side…Calm down lol
oh good, for a minute I thought this was a Twilight fansite
I’m a bit concerned at how hard you’re gonna take it when this doesn’t happen in IX.
My speculation is always right, except when it’s wrong.
Sure hope not. It’s time for the Skywalkers to end.
I no longer believe there is an established overall 3-movie arc.. THey are making it as they go, which explains the disconnection between JJ’s and RJ’s visions in Eps 7 and 8. Abrahams and Terrio can pretty much do whatever they want in Ep 9. So, I would say that Reylo might happen or might not at this point.
I simply don’t believe that. Lucasfilm will have a high-level outline mapped out, given directors a fair amount of creativity to work from. They’ll have an end point, this is where we’re heading.
Despite Johnson repeatedly said he wasn´t given a single story point? Anything?
Despite Johnson repeatedly said he wasn´t given a single story point? Anything?
KK & Rian Johnson have both said that’s not the case. There is no story outline.
Sad but this is true and it shows
No stories exist until they are written. And people are often surprised to hear how little Lucas had planned going forward with his movies.
Are you sick, dude? She witnessed him to kill his father, her friend. She would fall in love with this guy? 🙂
Kylo killed her father figure, kidnapped and mind-raked her, hospitalized her best friend…… and Ruin decides to make them Force-Flirt for 2.5 hours. Right.
and that happened like two days before
The story is an inversion of Anakin and Padme. They were together then the dark pulled them apart. Rey and Ben started apart but the light will bring them together.
The story is an inversion of Anakin and Padme. They were together then the dark pulled them apart. Rey and Ben started apart but the light will bring them together.
Cheesey AF
There’s always been a romance in the saga trilogies featuring a Skywalker and another main character, Anakin and Padme, Leia and Han. It’s part of what makes SW SW.
I don’t mind a well used romantic undertone. But Kylo and Rey? Good lord…….
I don’t think we’ll see a redeemed Ben. His big chance came in Snoke’s throne room. That was the genius of killing off Snoke so early. When Rey offered Ben his chance at redemption, he decided to continue down his dark path without anybody leaning on him. Snoke wasn’t there to pressure him. The only thing tempting Ben was an empty throne. And he took it. That decision was solely on him. Nope. He’s gone.
I hope you are RIGHT on this. I don’t want to see Kylo redeemed, I want to see him PAY.
The thing is though, he’s got everything that he thinks he wanted, yet he’s miserable as sin. In Episode IX his house of cards will come crashing down around him. Perhaps The First Order will turn against him, leaving The Rebellion his only salvation. Or, there’ll be some act where he’ll have to save Rey. What ever happens I do believe he’ll turn to the light, like Anakin before him.
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I’m still unsure about turning to the light, but we definitely know Hux absolutely hates Kylo and would have killed him if he hadn’t been slower. I expect to get some sort of betrayal from him at some point.
Well, you’re absolutely right about him getting what he wants as well as being utterly miserable. We see the same thing with Vader. Under all that armor was a man suffering under the weight of regrets…at least at the moments where he was honest with himself. Or so I’d imagine.
Still, what do you do with Ben if he were to be redeemed? He’s still responsible for the deaths of an untold number of people as well as the murder of Han Solo. He’s still subject to whatever form of justice exists in that society. Anakin died immediately after his conversion so that wrapped up rather neatly. I don’t know…options seem a bit limited there.
That said, even if the character were to be redeemed, I can’t see the audience accepting him as a “good guy”. He killed Han Solo, so from an outside, meta perspective, he’s going to remain a villain for a lot (if not most) folks.
We’ve got 4 films with Luke being a hero. And he will return as a force ghost, I’m 100% sure. It’s time for the new generation to have it’s own heroes.
Actually, it’s not. A more fulfilling Trilogy storyline would have been REY AND LUKE fighting side by side. That would satisfy every fan from age 5 to 75. But yeah, we gotta kill everything off for the “newbies” right? The fact of the matter is — if Luke has to be killed so we will “care about Rey”, then maybe she’s not that engaging in the first first place.
Actually, it’s not. A more fulfilling Trilogy storyline would have been REY AND LUKE fighting side by side. That would satisfy every fan from age 5 to 75. But yeah, we gotta kill everything off for the “newbies” right? The fact of the matter is — if Luke has to be killed so we will “care about Rey”, then maybe she’s not that engaging in the first first place.
watch how everybody is featured equally in the Avengers this summer. Could have done the same thing here
BAM you nailed it Chris. Sharing the spotlight makes the light shine on ALL.
Luke had his trilogy, time to move on
so did Iron Man, Capt America, and just recently Thor, no need to toss them aside now, write a better story and watch them work together to make the best movie yet.
Im not getting the whole, need to move on thing at the expense of characters people still like
BS – Luke’s story ends when writers decide as such. Luke still had incredible story-telling-value (and box office draw) regardless of his age and I cannot subscribe to your age-ist system of values.
BS – Luke’s story ends when writers decide as such. Luke still had incredible story-telling-value (and box office draw) regardless of his age and I cannot subscribe to your age-ist system of values.
LOL
I understand your point and actually I partially agree with you. It would definitely be satisfying to see the big three back in action together….
…in around 1995.
Yes, our heroses got old. It is deeply sad and really hard to get over with, but they are not the young energetic people we used to know. This is the only thing I hate George Lucas for, that he did the prequels instead of the sequels. Not because the prequels sucked or anything, but just because there were so much more potenitial in the old cast that we could never see.
But now I understand why they give them these type of roles. A 60 yeras old Luke won’t go to jump arund and kill troopers with his lightsaber like Yoda did in the prequels. 20 years ago it would work, but now? I like the secondary roles they got, like the new Ben Kenobi type of role, but I have to say again I didn’t want Luke to die. I think his send off was very well made, but the fact he died was a bit disappointing.
But the new generation sucks.
Rey, Finn, and Poe — none of them are memorable characters.
Agreed. A more wholistic Trilogy with new characters Rey, Finn, & Poe SIDE BY SIDE with Luke, Han, & Leia would have been FAR more entertainting and FAR FAR FAR more profitable.
That would have been the right course of action. Disney however thought the OT big three could act as training wheels in TFA and by TLJ, the new guys would be ok on their own. This was a HUGE miscalculation though. These new characters haven’t been embraced by the fanbase, and now the GFFA moving forward is on shaky ground, to say the least.
And see I hate that mentality you just mention. USING the OT big three as “training wheels” instead of telling a much more ICONIC story with the OT “big three” and the NEW “little three” — SIDE BY SIDE against the First Order.
I thought the new characters (Rey, Finn, Poe, Snoke, Phasma, Maz, Hux, Ben/Kylo) had great potential in Ep 7. RJ, however, basically either ruined them, wasted them, or killed them off,
All of them have amazing potential. But why is it “pick one and KILL the other”? how about a Trilogy with the NEW character interwoven with the Original Characters ?
“These new characters haven’t been embraced by the fanbase”
[CITATION NEEDED]
Their toys and Halloween costumes seem to be selling well, so your revisionist history seems to be on shaky ground, to say the least.
The TFA new characters were embraced — but definitely because of their connectivity to OT characters. Had this relationship been better maintained — you would not just have “new characters”, you would have “new icons.” With Luke, Han, and Leia now gone, you have an entire generation of SW fans that certainly won’t be rushing to see Ep 9 on Day 1 — and won’t be taking the kiddos to see it multiple multiple times 😉
The new characters are very popular. You are a liar.
Not their trilogy. It never was. Get over it. Go back and watch 4-6 if you want to see those people.
Actually, Ep 7 did a great job of utilizing both sets of characters effectively. And made FAR more money than TLJ because of that 🙂
It made far more money because it was a massively hyped return to Star Wars after a decade.
“But the new generation sucks.”
You sound like my old man talking about the music I listened to when I was a teenager. These new movies served to introduce younger folks to the saga while at the same time allowing older fans the chance to glimpse their heroes one last time.
You might think the new characters suck, but I’m assuming you’re not the target audience. By all measures that count, these new characters are holding their own quite well. I can’t tell you how many girls came to my door dressed as Rey this Halloween. Last March, Disney World’s Star Wars exhibits were peppered with children dressed as First Order Stormtroopers and Kylo Rens.
So, you might not like them, but it doesn’t matter.
Still would have been better to utilize both Generations TOGETHER in tandem, instead of this absurd “let’s kill off all the OT guys” mentality.
Enough of Luke already. We’ve spent two movies now handing off to the next generation, focus on doing Rey and Finn justice.
Rey and Finn are not nearly as engaging as Luke and don’t have remotely the Box Office draw either. If the Force Awakens has been “Rey and Finn are buddies” without the OT characters, the film would not have set box office records.
Disapearing just because you’re all forced out seemed a bit daft. Will we see more Sith and Jedi diapear after excessive straining in future films.
just like Elvis
Kylo Ren literally says in the film that the effort required to ForceTime across the galaxy is enough to kill a person; it’s the type of thing you would only do in a real moment of need.
can you force choke someone accross the galaxy?
can you force choke someone when you are already a force ghost?
Are there any limitations now?
We’ve already seen Vader force choke someone remotely.
Well, we have evidence that force choking someone across the galaxy causes no distress to a person, so there’s that. Come TLJ, we clearly see Luke sweating and out of breath when projecting himself LIGHTYEARS away so I’m left to assume that’s a pretty strenuous task wouldn’t you? Are visual cues not enough anymore? These are the real questions we should be asking. Just how much does a movie audience need now a days?
Also, everything and everyone has limitations.
Well, we have evidence that force choking someone across the galaxy causes no distress to a person, so there’s that. Come TLJ, we clearly see Luke sweating and out of breath when projecting himself LIGHTYEARS away so I’m left to assume that’s a pretty strenuous task wouldn’t you? Are visual cues not enough anymore? These are the real questions we should be asking. Just how much does a movie audience need now a days?
Also, everything and everyone has limitations.
He was probably shitting his pants when he saw Rey, HOW FUCKING STRONG ARE YOU?!
That explains the waist-high pants later.
Lmao, probably.
I also foresee Luke in IX haunting Ben. That would be very interesting.
No Luke in ep9, they want to cut all ties to the original trilogy, they had a chance to do Luke right and they fumbled, now here comes all the spin control,
I cant believe how naive some are to buy this Disney damage control BS.
You read the script? Amazing.
No, it would not. Star Wars is not supposed to be a ghost movie, BTW, when Luke talked about Ben being haunted if he struck him down in anger, he meant if figuratively. That is why he also referred to Ben being haunted by Han, who obviously is not a “physical” ghost.
Not necessarily. Luke would have the ability to haunt him differently, and Ben hated Luke, he didn’t hate his father the same way.
Han obviously can’t haunt him, but Luke can indeed.
Me too…..in a funny way…..BOOOO Ben…..you can´t hide, here I am too!!!! Yup, even in the bathroom….
haha creepy uncle luke and pull my force finger gags
Ben is not trained to see Force ghosts. If he would see it, then there were already 3 of them he could have interact so far……and didn´t.
Luke wasn’t trained to see force ghosts and yet there they were.
Luke didn’t receive training for that in the OT… plus this is different. He didn’t personally meet Yoda or Obi wan. Also Luke mentions the possibility in TLJ
Yeah maybe Luke could zap him with lightening every now and then to really piss him off, as force ghosts can interact with the real world now.
Well considering the fact that Ghost Obi-Wan sat on a tree, I think they could always interact with the real world.
Also, plants on Dagobah were left swaying in the breeze he made as he passed.
Pretending to sit on a tree or making a little breeze is quite a bit different to calling down a lightening bolt. Anyway I like the idea of Luke winding Kylo up throughout IX. It would be funny as hell! Zap! “Told you I’d see you around kid!”
He literally became a new hope.
Damn.
Touché, Rain Johnson, touché.
he already was the new hope
“Help me obi wan kenobi your my only hope”
Did anybody here ever see Star Wars?
Obi wan isn’t the the “New” hope, Luke is.
Obi Wan is literally the old hope.
And now he is again.
And now he is again.
You don’t have to die to create hope.
You don’t have to die to create hope.
I get that you guys aggressively don’t want to like anything about this movie but, I think this is pretty cool. Luke, of course, was the new hope. He became a legend. In the Star Wars universe as well as our own. It would have been easy to bring him back as a super powerful Jedi master. The movie sets up a scenario where that isn’t really what was needed. The SW universe needs a spark of hope. A new hope, if you will. Luke’s selfless act saves what’s left of the rebellion/resistance and inspires a new generation of heroes (as we see in the last scene with the stable boys).
He grew beyond the knight he had been. He grew beyond his (to himself) failure as a master. He became the legend — the spark that “that will light the fire…” that was needed even more than a superhero with a lightsaber. Poe has a similar arc, he grows from being a war hero to a leader. It’s one of the themes running through the movie.
I’m not saying this was a perfect movie, but I do think that there was a lot to like.
TL;DR
Young Luke is the new hope because of how he lives. Old Luke is the new hope (again) because of how he dies.
Re: “Old Luke is the new hope (again)”
“No, there is another”
:'(
Sad now to think about Carrie.
Otherwise, perhaps Rian had something great in mind for her character such as also being a great ‘new hope’ through her actions/sacrifice.
Leia inspired hope through her leadership.
Rian clearly meant for Luke to be succeeded by a new generation of heroes & Leia to be succeeded by a new generation of leaders.
She literally says “Follow him”, about Poe.
I’m sure that both were intended to continue on as mentors. This movie was very much about one generation giving the next what they needed to succeed. Hell, even Yoda had one last lesson for Luke. That enabled Luke to do what he needed to do to help Rey, and more importantly, inspire even more heroes.
“This movie was very much about one generation giving the next what they needed to succeed.”
Yep. This. I think a lot of the negative reaction to this film is a visceral reaction to seeing our heroes move on. It sucks, but it has to happen. I hated seeing Luke move on (although I thought it was done very, very well). He’s Luke Skywalker. He’s my biggest childhood hero. But time doesn’t stand still for anyone and the wheel turns. Creaky, at times, but it turns nonetheless.
When these movies were announced and it become evident that the Big 3 were going to return, it was widely understood that this would be their swan song: one last chance to see them before the torch is grabbed by others that will carry it forward. People were largely elated at the chance for one last glimpse of these folks. But now some of them are losing their minds about it.
Growing older sucks. People need to realize that and get over it. But if it’s difficult, then some folks might get this movie more than they’re willing to admit.
OH how exciting an revolutionary. Luke self sacrifice is the spark that allowed the rebellion to flee. Never seen that in SW before. If they were gonna kill Luke in 8, they shouldn’t of hid him in 7. They set it up to be a anger inducing death. Especially since most of the deeds he’s ever done have now ended in failure. Bad uncle Luke.
You are exagerating a little bit here……come on…..those 6 person on the Falcon are……THE REBELLION??
Not to mention that defeating the Galactic Empire and restoring the Republic 30 years ago proved to be completely useless in the end as the post-TLJ status of the galaxy is pretty much back to where it was when Palpatine first became emperor.
Sorta off topic but since we’re talking about the climax of Luke’s story, does anyone know of the twin suns he sees as he dies are a mirage or a hallucination or something, or does Ach-To really have two suns?
I would guess that was thown in during post, just to force some connection, no real though was given at the time, but I’m sure we’ll get a tweet about what it really means and how some cant get the symbolism.
I’m waiting for the official word to come down, if you dont like this film youre a hitler
In the visual dictionary it says Ach-To has 2 suns. A bit disappointed in that, as I thought it was sort of a moment of death hallucination of home. Oh well.
I understand your question. I asked myself so many more when watching this movie…..
I understand your question. I asked myself so many more when watching this movie…..
**** you Rian Johnson.
There’s my insight on how you treated Luke.
Yet another intelligent comment
I feel ya. ABUSE of Luke Skywalker was my worry for the entire past year.
Almost as good as your definition of what a “real Star Wars fan” is.
Oof.
I definitely didn’t want to see Luke die, but his send off was very well made in my opinion. Not being cut in half or falling down to an endless hole or being killed by a giant explosion, but dying in peace and harmony. His last look at the binary sunset left me speechless. He became one with the force after saving the resistance and giving hope to the whole galaxy, a perfect ending to our great hero.
“but his send off was very well made in my opinion.”
Son, lay off the drugs.
“but his send off was very well made in my opinion.”
Son, lay off the drugs.
He’s right. Luke was treated right and with the utmost respect.
You must be joking? Luke was treated with complete and utter DISRESPECT for 2 hours — then had a wonderful last 10 minutes. That doesn’t negate the WASTEFUL ABUSE levied onto the character for the first 2.4 hours.
He was treated like a human. Not a god. Get it out of your head that he was a superhero. He was a guy who failed just about as much as he succeeded.
He’s a guy who failed as much as Ruin Johnson decided. Prior to Ep 8, Luke had a tenacity and drive to succeed which was both awe-inspiring and unstoppable.
Good lord. Have you ever seen the Empire Strikes Back?
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Kent and some of these other victimized grumblers are going to continue complaining about the movie and how Disney ruined Star Wars and how they could have made a better movie and so on and so forth.
But what they don’t realize (I think) is that the best way they could protest against the direction this brand is going it to utterly refrain from discussing this film. Internet-wide, there has been a passionate discussion going on over this movie. Whether negative or positive, to Lucasfilm this is a good thing. If people are talking about it, it’s current, it’s relevant. Any attention is good attention. If fandom shut down over this movie and Lucasfilm/Disney heard nothing but crickets, they’d have reason to worry. Right now, that’s hardly the case.
But everything Luke did after blowing up first DS is pretty much pointless for the rebels, he created only problems for them. Evacuate Hoth, Han being carbonized, everything is Lukes fault.
Redeeming Vader for killing Emperor who is gonna die anyway when they blow DS2 is yeah, pointless!
I would even argue that the last 10 minutes were disrespectful. Luke manifests as Billy Mays Hays, hands Leia some Cheech Marin pimp dice, does his best Neo impression from the Matrix, and then, for some unknown reason, inexplicably disappears — becoming one with the Force. The entire sequence was completely absurd and not respectful at all. As Luke was obviously being killed off by Disney in the most ridiculous fashion in order to make way for She-woman REy.
i’m having traumatic flashbacks, I put that whole Neo thing in a deep dark part of my brain. Now thanks to you I have to relive it, all of it.
i’m having traumatic flashbacks, I put that whole Neo thing in a deep dark part of my brain. Now thanks to you I have to relive it, all of it.
Was literally hilarious to watch Ruin Johnson rip off everything from Mary Poppins, to Harry Potter, to the Matrix…..
WOW! most intelligent comment of this year! Congratulations man!
It must feel wonderfull to bash a movie till death with your friends here, and not adding anything to the conversation. I would be even more honored if you could tell me how this is the best thing you can spend your time on!
Well, I for one loved Luke’s portrayal and send off (especially after my second viewing). Yes, I always admire the young Luke dawned in black with that green lightsaber, but to me, Last Jedi just made Luke more “real”.
I grow tired of heroes who act like..well..heroes instead of human beings, even in a world of a fantasy. Luke felt responsible for his past actions, and felt he was repeating the sins of the past; he fled. He showed weakness, cowardess, failure, things that all people can and will have to endure in life. And he did eventually go back to fix things.
Sure, it’s great to have heroes and legends to look up to, but I think it’s better to create heroes that can still falter, never perfect, yet learn and overcome. It makes Luke that much more of the “hero” in the story.
you must really hate Rey then, shes perfect
Rey is not as interesting as Luke, but I don’t consider her perfect. People say she has no training as a Jedi to do half of what she does, but I disagree to an extent.
– Have people seen the way Rey wields her bo-staff? I love the scene where she stands on the cliff, training with the staff, then switches to the lightsaber, it’s almost similar in flow and movement; weapons are universal to an extent. So to say she doesn’t have at least an understanding in weapons combat is an understatement.
– Rey tends to succeed a lot naturally..but honestly, there are people like that in real life. And she she still fails. She didn’t succeed in turning Ben. Or convincing Luke right away to come back with her.
Don’t get me wrong, I have nitpicks. Sure, some people are just naturally gifted. But I hope we see Rey flop a little more in IX. But I don’t think she’s as godly as people think. And she is still young, if we are to see her grow and change in ways similar or different from Luke, she can get interesting (sorry my comment is so long).
I liked seeing what a total flop Rey was against Snoke. He threw her around like a rag doll.
A main theme of this movie was the failures of our characters and Rey had plenty.
Right! How could I forget? And while minor, lightsaber hilt to the back of the head by Snoke was a nice touch too.
Re: “lightsaber hilt to the back of the head”
I loved that touch!
Rian really shut-down that Mary-Sue thing.
Loving it.
Exactly. Not to mention that after all the trouble she goes through, she fails to turn Ben. That’s a personal loss that hurts more than severed hand; it’s the type of thing that will have real ramifications for the characters moving forward.
At the end of TLJ, Rey and Leia seem to have lost any hope that Ben may be turned back (or, at least, that is what they say in their last lines in the movie). But, as I said before, I believe JJ and Terrio can now do whatever they want in Ep. 9, so anything is possible.
Stop, you’re making too much sense.
I really liked that this movie was about failures.
Learning lessons/evolving as characters, following those failures.
It tied nicely into Yoda’s lines:
* “The greatest teacher, failure is” *
And about one generation teaching the next. Learning from their failures & moving beyond / building upon that wisdom. Hope being – it’s a better generation (parent&child, teacher&pupil) that’s learned from the previous generation’s mistakes.
* “We are what they grow beyond” *
And failure is life’s greatest teacher.
We don’t learn/move forward/grow by success.
Great to see flawed characters.
I agree; I really liked that theme of the movie. It really deals with just how painful failure can be, but how our failures can teach us too. that’s why I think the Canto Bight subplot was anything but pointless.
Re: “Canto Bight subplot was anything but pointless”
Agree completely again.
For me the Casino also felt very SW, a different kind of hive of scum&villainy. Took us to something we hadn’t seen in SW universe before. And appropriate for character arcs Finn&Rose story.
Canto tied-in their story locale at the end, impacted by Luke’s arc some well.
The last Jedi, spreading new hope into galaxy.
When not just a Jedi w/laser sword, but ‘nobodies’ such as Finn&Rose(Et al) were igniting fire/spreading hope.
Nitpicking Canto decisions or disagreeing with story decisions, fine. But it’s just not accurate to say it was not necessary to the story/narrative/character arcs as sub-plot.
Interesting new planet exposing dark side of galaxy on both sides in the war.
I actually didn’t care much for the Canto Bight scenes after watching the film first time. After realising the purpose they serve (especially for Finn’s overall character arc), it all actually played out a lot better on a second viewing.
Don’t forget the Praetorian Guard too. Kylo is facing three at one point and Rey is having a really hard time with just one.
Re: “But I hope we see Rey flop a little more in IX”
Just imagined a scene:
After an early (guessing sexually charged) run-in w/Kylo again, **she loses an arm.
Then her final battle against Ben, upon his seeing her cyborg arm, she says “This usually runs in your family.”
Until we get sub-titles (/special ed readout on Leia’s screen) for BB-8, so we know his opening answer to Poe was “I’ve got a bad feeling about this”…
and…
More importantly main character limb hacked off…
This trilogy can’t come to a satisfying close.
[ **If not Rey’s then I’d settle for Poe/Finn’s ]
“Rey is not as interesting as Luke”
She’s not even as interesting as a random Jawa.
…well…Jawa’s are my favorite alien species so it doesn’t affect me.
I think Luke’s death exposed a raw nerve in some folks, realising they do have limits and can’t be/do anything when they grow up. Jedis were killed by blasters, sabers, explosions. He couldn’t just take on an army by himself.
Rey is the audience, expecting John Wick saber kata, but that wasn’t Luke’s way. He probably knew his weaknesses after getting defeated by his dad but credited with killing Vader and Palatine.
Luke was great — but that greatness had very human limits on what it could achieve for others. Sacrificing himself and vanishing into the sunset (nod to the twin sun finale) made sense. He became an even greater legend after people witnessed him “surviving” than any direct fight could’ve been.
He ascended without leaving a corpse.
I think Luke’s death exposed a raw nerve in some folks, realising they do have limits and can’t be/do anything when they grow up. Jedis were killed by blasters, sabers, explosions. He couldn’t just take on an army by himself.
Rey is the audience, expecting John Wick saber kata, but that wasn’t Luke’s way. He probably knew his weaknesses after getting defeated by his dad but credited with killing Vader and Palatine.
Luke was great — but that greatness had very human limits on what it could achieve for others. Sacrificing himself and vanishing into the sunset (nod to the twin sun finale) made sense. He became an even greater legend after people witnessed him “surviving” than any direct fight could’ve been.
He ascended without leaving a corpse.
It doesn’t make sense that Kylo Ren couldn’t sense Luke wasn’t really physically on Crait, Leia probably knew it.
I’m assuming he was too pre occupied with his emotions that he didn’t think anything rationally. Now was the time to come face to face with the man he hated, the man responsible for his turn. At that point I don’t think anyone can think clearly.
That’s what I got from the scene before he confronts Luke directly. The reactions of the people around him were in response to a man too emotionally charged to think rationally.
If he had really thought things trough, a lot of things were actually off about the Luke before him: Not having aged a day since they last saw each other; not affecting the salt surface; and using the same lightsaber he and Rey blew apart minutes or hours before.
That’s what I got from the scene before he confronts Luke directly. The reactions of the people around him were in response to a man too emotionally charged to think rationally.
If he had really thought things trough, a lot of things were actually off about the Luke before him: Not having aged a day since they last saw each other; not affecting the salt surface; and using the same lightsaber he and Rey blew apart minutes or hours before.
Darth Plaguies could apparently fool Darth Sidious with force projections, so I don’t think it’s a stretch that Luke can fool Kylo with them.
Leia must have known when Luke kissed her forehead and she couldn’t feel it, i still don’t know how he projected the dice into her hand so she could physically grab them. There is no point in RJ continually commenting on the movie and trying to justify what he did…the movie is out and is probably 50/50 love/hate with fans, people slating it and loving it in equal measures will make no difference now but i think it will make a huge difference for Star Wars going forward, no product can upset 50% of their fanbase and not get some kind of reaction to that going forward…whether you think the movie is good or not this whole episode is not good for Star wars going forward…look at what the movie has done to this board for a start, i only hope Solo can unite the fans again and give us all something we can be proud off.
50% is a wild exaggeration, not to mention the general audiences who are the real moneymakers. Rian has nothing to “justify”, he wants to calm down the whining nerds.
Nor his artificial hand….
Well, TLJ has already made US$ 1.2 billion worldwide with the China box office still to be added to that column if I understand it correctly. It won’t get to TFA’s US$ 2 billion plus, but it may well make close to 1.4 billion in the end, which is honestly better than I expected for such a bad movie. Audiences won’t be so forgiving though if JJ and Terrio don’t get itheir act together in Ep. 9.
Well considering the fact that any dependable audience scores seem to be pretty positive and Episode IX will probably be pretty good, I think its immense success is basically guaranteed 😉
are you on those collider videos? part of the council?
Lowest RT fan score of ALL TIME for Star Wars. Countless online petitions AGAINST TLJ, and a box office that is good, but won’t touch TFA. Not the best report card here 🙂
Completely Non-scientific. Scientific polling of viewers of the movie are overwhelmingly positive.
Avoiding spoilers, which is now a thing of the past, allowed them to bank most of that.
TLJ did about 28 mil in its opening weekend in china, down from 52 mil for TFA. for whatever reason star wars can’t solve the chinese market.
China got word about how BAD the film was — via social media, Rotten Tomatoes, etc — and they said “EFF IT, we are staying home!”
if that was the case chinese audiences wouldn’t embrace such legendary stinkers like transformers 4 and terminator genisys. besides the fast and furious franchise no one seems to know yet what china likes.
Well they DONT like the Last Jedi, that’s for sure! GO china!
Yes please China, we want Star Wars to fail you know, cause we are the REAL fans. I have a shelf of unopened toys that proves I’m more qualified than Disney to write for this franchise.
China has NEVER been into Star Wars. It has never done well there. They never got the OT, and the first SW movie released there was TPM, so obviously they had no interest in seeing any more after that.
Luke wasn’t treated with respect by Disney.
The possibilities were literally endless — and they were ALL squandered.
Shame on you Robert Iger.
I dont know if you can blame him , sure Kathleen Kennedy, but we will see how much longer he keeps her around.
If she stays on after all this, then def. shame on him
I don’t blame Bob Iger. I blame one man: RUIN JOHNSON. He wrote it and “sold it” to the Disney suits.
Don’t forget Kathleen Kennedy is the puppet master. (and yes the puppet is a girl)
Still dealing with your women issues, I see.
No doubt a large portion of the blame falls squarely at Johnson’s feet.
No doubt a large portion of the blame falls squarely at Johnson’s feet.
Kent,
Must be easy for you to prolifically comment on TLJ.
Copy-paste from before you saw it, only on occasion changing to present tense if need be.
But that’s lazy posting. 😉
Well he was right. No need to make extra work for himself.
HAHA you are amazing!
Bob Iger stumbling around the set put his hand on an x-wing:
“is this a stars war”
“yes, it is bob, lets get you some pudding”
“oh, pudding, hmmm”
Excerpt from a Disney boardroom meeting dated January of 2016:
“Ok, guys, here’s the plan for Episode 8. We’re going to transform Luke into a scared little b*tch who’s given up on the galaxy. We are confident the fans will LOVE it.”
” most are all emo hissy fit spoiled brats anyway, lets make them feel at home, in there safe spaces”
“great idea, lets also have the hero fight by avatar”
” like a keyboard commando?”
“exactly”
PS, the Huffington Post sucks. It’s a liberal propaganda rag that promotes bullshit and nothing but. Fitting that Rian Johnson’s interview is with them. To tell us all the deeper “truth” behind what happened with Luke in TLJ.
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take no prisoners, the gloves are off
Huff Post = Fake News.
100%
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Re: “Your hate has made you power”
All this hate posted here….
“Consume you, it will.“
You know how you know someone is guilty? They keep trying to convince you they are not.
You know how you know someone is guilty? They keep trying to convince you they are not.
Is that why you, Kent, Jason and a few others are trying to vindicate your personal opinions by continuously posting inanities you peddle as concrete facts?
Go back to Alex Jones and the other right wing conspiracy lunatics that you love.
Ah, what a surprise…you dislike the movie because it cucked you.
was Admiral Holdo on the rebel base during the force awakens? or was she just on the rebel cruiser during the evacuation? why was she dressed like she just came from Canto Bight? was she a 1 percenter?
Holdo usurped Jar Jar for worst GFFA character ever.
Holdo usurped Jar Jar for worst GFFA character ever.
There will never be a character in any franchise that equals the level of shit that was Jar Jar Binks. Even the stupid elf from Harry Potter was better realized
There will never be a character in any franchise that equals the level of shit that was Jar Jar Binks. Even the stupid elf from Harry Potter was better realized
Women really freak you out huh?
News you won’t hear on this site: Rian Johnsons turd just got beat out by Insidious part 20.
PS: My family calls taking a shit, taking an RJ now. Great for the kids.
You’re an inspiration
Wow. It got beat on its 4th week in release. What a shock. And it only made $23 million, bringing its domestic total to $572 million, becoming the 6th highest grossing movie in American history. How pathetic.
Luke won everything in the Original Trilogy.
He defeated the Empire and brought his father back to the light-side thereby saving his immortal soul.
That’s as much WIN as you can possibly get!
Yet Johnson portrayed him as some shell shocked lunatic who was scared of his own shadow and living in exile because he failed everyone.
WTF? Did this idiot even watch the Original Trilogy? God I feel bad for Mark.
To be brought back into the GFFA only to go out like this — Jesus H Christ.
I’m just waiting for the, “creative differences” news to drop about his now defunct trilogy.
very similar to what I asked when I wondered what the reason would be when they get rid of KK
LOL that’s not happening. Rian is a white dude We are expendable.
Grab your tiki torch, poor white man.
OMG I will REJOICE if they DROP the “Ruin Johnson Trilogy”!! PLEASE BE TRUE
OMG I will REJOICE if they DROP the “Ruin Johnson Trilogy”!! PLEASE BE TRUE
if they were confident in him, we wouldn’t be getting almost daily damage control articles, tweets, etc.
I dont think they will issue anything publicly just let the idea fade away
Would that change miraculously last jedi into a better movie and save the sequel trilogy? No? So what difference does it make? This trilogy is beyond redemption..
NO, but it will leave space for someone else to do SW movies. Someone who can treat SW with respect.
But if #Di$ney want to throw out budged for a SW movie that will earn half of its potential – its they Golden Goose, not mine – they can cook it and eat it, instead of farming golden eggs.
You’re screwed if your caps lock ever breaks.
look at it like Mark Hamill does
one is Luke Skywalker, who accomplished everything you pointed out.
the other is Jake Skywalker, the character Rian created.
played by the same actor, not the same character
Yep, I feel TERRIBLE for Mark Hamill seeing his life’s creation abused like that. SHAMEFUL!
Seriously, he’s a B-Movie actor that just turned his greatest performance thanks to a character that was finally flawed and interesting.
B-Movie actor?
Mark Hamill’s life’s creation? Strange.. I though this was all created by some guy named George Lucas and that Mark Hamill was this actor they hired to portray the character. But, evidently, Mark Hamill created Luke… it was his “life’s creation”
E9 will explain that this was a clone Luke from the hand (like in
Thrawn trilogy) – after all the saber was found so the hand has to be also. And we will get the great Jedi Luke – go JJ
Bu seriously i dont care about ST, the damage is already done and finished. I just fight for a better OT, PT era content, so that i can continue to support SW and enjoy it again.
If i dont care, stop complaining then Di$ney will ruin SW.
Hey you know that’s not a bad story idea! Big twist, real Luke shows up in IX!
SLAY! I agree, it’s as if Ruin Johnson didn’t even watch the OT, he just wrote Luke to be whatever perverse image HE wanted Luke to be.
You don’t understand the film and it didn’t play out how you expected or wanted it too
The Last Jedi is so full of thematic and narrative callbacks to the original trilogy that you have to know it’s absurd to imply that he didn’t even watch the movies. Your hyperbole has been going on for so long that it’s hard to be annoyed by it, but you keep reaching new lows, name-calling and whining constantly.
Well when you put it that way, it even makes MORE sense that he would have been that shell shocked.
Everything you mentioned about Luke was about his constant success. He was put pretty high on a pedistal, a living “legend”. Yet when he committed an act that he thought was never possible, he didn’t know how to handle his failure.
Luke never truly failed anyone until this point, anyone with that kind of lifestyle and hailed a hero would be out of their mind at that point.
We’ve seen characters before that recieve far too much praise and totally go out of character when they don’t do wgat they normally do.
Right. Real people have problems. This Luke was way more interesting than the do-gooder white knight character some of these fanboys propped him up to be.
Lule teams up with Rey after training her for a minimum of 45 minutes on screen and save the day. Yawn.
Yup, as awesome as Luke is, it took a lot of guts to hold him back and do something people were not expecting.
Did you?
You people who post here every day (you know who you are) to keep reiterating how much you dislike the last Jedi really need to get laid. Grow the fuck up you manchildren. It fair to hate the film, but to keep coming here, daily, hourly, for weeks, just to tell people who liked it that you think it sucks, and to circle jerk with fellow haters, is pathetic.
You won’t change anyone’s mind. You are screaming in an echo chamber and no one is listening. No one cares.
Move on with your life. You are infesting this site.
Meanwhile, I love this movie. Three times, keeps getting better. I applaud every decision Rian made. His explanations are unnecessary. It’s all in the movie. It’s all great.
oh, so your that guy
The guy that knows how to spell “you’re”…?
Yes.
“your “side is dwindling daily, more and more fans realize they have been robbed, not just of a good story, but by a hack film maker who faked you all out. I enjoy coming here to read the lastest spin doctors try to continue the delusion, but people are wise now, and I dont think it will last much longer
You can be miserable all you want. We’ll keep enjoying the hell out of the movie that we loved. You’re not going to convince anyone who liked it that it was a bad movie, so you’re just wallowing in your own misery. I guess misery loves company, so you can join with the other malcontents here who can’t get over it and move on with their lives. Have fun being miserable.
“Your side”? I thought this was a website made up of Star Wars fans
Interesting personal attack after preaching about not being negative toward a fake film. Your priorities are screwed up. Also, check your own grammar before correcting others. Snowflake.
Bravo! I don’t understand wanting to use your time to spew such negativity into the world. You hated a movie, get on with your life.
Also, I’ve just discovered the blocking feature here. Comments are about to get so much more bearable.
please sit in corner then and put your fingers in your ears, sometimes its tough to hear that what you believe is wrong
“lalalalalalala”
I don’t care either.
I’m not going to stop bashing TLJ.
Or any of the other Di$ney War$.
And I encourage everyone else to do the same. 🙂
Tears of salty butthurt fanboys are soooo declicious! Stay miserable, Jason. And keep upvoting your own posts.
I want Star Wars to fail…said no real fan ever
Go ahead waste you life you pathetic being
Jedi John kanjiklubbed
We have to sacrifice part of our lives to get a better SW content. And i like the term Di$ney War$ 🙂
If we dont speak loud enough, Di$ney War$ will continue and ruin the franchise we love.
They have a golden goose and instead of golden eggs we are getting the bad/smelly eggs.
1) fire Kathleen Kennedy
2) take away the SW license from EA
3) give Dave Filoni more decisions rights and space for creativity
4) use the Story Group to guide every damn SW product so that the universe is coherent as we were promised when old EU was wiped out
5) put out old EU stuff to please the fans which are not happy with new ST and are ignoring it now
Jedi John kanjiklubbed
We have to sacrifice part of our lives to get a better SW content. And i like the term Di$ney War$ 🙂
If we dont speak loud enough, Di$ney War$ will continue and ruin the franchise we love.
They have a golden goose and instead of golden eggs we are getting the bad/smelly eggs.
1) fire Kathleen Kennedy
2) take away the SW license from EA
3) give Dave Filoni more decisions rights and space for creativity
4) use the Story Group to guide every damn SW product so that the universe is coherent as we were promised when old EU was wiped out
5) put out old EU stuff to please the fans which are not happy with new ST and are ignoring it now
sorry, but the rot started with the Ewoks. If GL had made these they would of probably been as bad as 1-3
Preach it! The Last Jedi deserves the negative attention it was so horrible. #LiberalsTears #HanShotFirst #Triggered
Then you should be banned if you are not going to stay on the topic and just troll people.
So you admit you are gonna be troll? We can ban you for that, I think.
You people who respond to posts here every day (you know who you are) to keep reiterating how much you dislike other peoples opinions about the last Jedi really need to get laid. Grow the fuck up you manchildren. It fair to hate others opinions, but to keep coming here, daily, hourly, for weeks, just to tell people who didn’t like it that you think it their opinion sucks, and to circle jerk with fellow haters, is pathetic.
You won’t change anyone’s mind. You are screaming in an echo chamber and no one is listening. No one cares.
Move on with your life. You are infesting this site.
Meanwhile, I hate this movie. One time, and it still sucks. I disapprove of every decision Rian made. His explanations are pathetic. It’s not in the movie. It’s all shit.
go circle jerk with your friends who love it….right?
All this hate, in lieu of intelligent discussion/debate, that’s posted here, particularly anything remotely positive about TLJ….
All I gotta say –
* “Consume you, it will.” *
Why don’t you go plant a tree.
just dont call me a manchildren ?
just dont call me a manchildren ?
Re: “manchildren ?”
How many are you?
see below
A Force-tied one like at Poe’s parents, gifted by Luke (if I’m recalling correctly)?
I like that idea.
did dead yoda blow that one up too?
Hey, guys,lets look on the bright side: JJ will be back for Episode 9.
Oh, wait…..never-mind.
While I disagree with everything else I’ve read that you’ve written.
We can find some minimal common ground on this being disappointed about JJ being brought back.
So at least can try to intelligent discuss the whys/why-nots.
But then again, I’ve probably got something nice in common with Hitler (didn’t he love animals or something?), so who knows. 😉
One benefit, hopefully, will be to bring a more consistent look to the trilogy, with one writer/director getting the bookends.
Not sure what the Hitler reference is about
JJ will definitely make a better SW film than Ruin
Question: Is it possible for Star Wars fans to hate the sequel trilogy even MORE than the prequel trilogy?
Survey says…..YES.
Conducting surveys with the imaginary friends in your mom’s basement again?
Yes it is possible. I dont like ST – recently was happy about added scenes in Ep1 (Pod racers) when i watched it with my kids for the first time and then 2times more – it was the first SW movie they watched with me. I start now to appreciate PT trilogy more – not for the movie quality (which is not that good), but for what it added to the SW lore.
And im an adult, not living in mamas home – have my own flat.
I talked to my friends and there is a mixture maybe 50/50 who hates or dislikes the movie and those who likes it. But some of those who likes it will turn probably as i have put a bug in their mind by pointing out all the stupid things in E8.
Every kid I’ve talked to about Ep. 8 loves it. You can nitpick every Star Wars film to death if you wanted to.
probably just as imaginary as yours, since you are on the same site…at every waking moment.
Except I can cite actual reviews and surveys, not made up ones like this clown.
fan reviews are a valuable source…But, I understand.
fan reviews are a valuable source…But, I understand.
Personally, I enjoy reading Rian Johnson’s explanations, even if they don’t redeem the film for me.
There were a few times in the movie where I felt like decisions were made simply to shock the audience, without providing any real progress to the overall story.
When Leia was blown out of the bridge, I thought that would be when they killed of the character. Yes, I know Carrie Poppins was obviously filmed before her death, because, duh. Instead of editing that scene to end her chapter, they still went on with the original plan to have her Star Lord her way back to the ship. I just thought it would have been a cool way for Leia’s imminent death to serve as some sort of catalyst to move Luke into action or something.
Snokes death felt pretty underwhelming. Fighting the praetorian guards was a cool scene afterwards, but to me it just felt like he was killed off in that fashion simply to stun the audience. Wasn’t opposed to him dying per se, just wasn’t a fan of the manner it was done. I’ve always really disliked when movies do something strictly for shock factor without a strong progression to the story, and I felt like that’s how it went with Snoke.
I actually really liked the PT (save your insults, haha) and while I don’t hate the ST, I’m not loving it either. While I really enjoyed the PT, I hated how Padme was killed off. Dying of a “broken heart” is pretty lame. My first thought after Luke died of exhaustion was, “Well, it looks like Luke inherited the heart problems from the Amidala/Naberrie side of the family, because that was kind of lame.” Force projecting himself was pretty cool, but to die from exhaustion afterwards, was not.
But hey, if you liked this movie, I’m glad! Regardless, it’s an exciting time to be a Star Wars fan between all of the new material coming out and the DW theme park.
Regarding Snoke’s death – they needed him dead to suit the story they wanted to tell. But how could either Rey or Kylo even put up a fight against him, let alone beat him or kill him? They couldn’t. He was way too powerful. The only option was a cheap death like that.
Here’s a suggestion, Disney: do something original and quit plagiarizing the original trilogy.
All your supposedly “new” characters are just copies of OT characters (and lame ones at that.)
Snoke is the poor man’s Emperor.
Kylo Ren the poor man’s Vader.
And Rey the poor man’s Luke Skywalker.
Yes do something original Disney. BUT, it better be exactly what I am projecting the story to be in my head, otherwise it will suck and fail and I will copy and paste my troll-hate comments incessantly on SWNN, occasionally changing my user name to keep it fresh.
Never a truer word spoken.
… and stormtroopers are the poor man’s stormtroopers.
Phasma definitely isn’t the poor man’s Boba Fett, though. Not with that chrome finish!
Ha Ha.
No, just sucks at a bit more of the cost….
You didn’t watch the movie even a little did you?
Snoke isn’t the Emperor and Kylo, in TLJ, is no longer trying to be like Vader.
At least have one thing be true in your snide, sad attacks.
You mean like The Last Jedi?
First: When you have to continually explain your movie to justify your decisions and make sense of them to the fans, you failed. Miserably. This film is a miserable failure at being Star Wars in every way.
Second:
“When I realized that that’s where Luke was going to get to by the end of the movie…”
So Rian didn’t decide to kill Luke right away. It came later in the creative process. Perhaps there’s truth to the speculation that Mark didn’t know they were killing off his character, at least not until late into the process. What is most interesting is how adamant Mark was about Luke’s treatment–until the speculation arose that Mark didn’t know Luke’s fate, then suddenly Mark is backtracking on every statement he made prior to the rumor. Seems like Disney strong armed him to me. Wouldn’t be the first time Disney strong armed.
“First: When you have to continually explain your movie to justify your decisions and make sense of them to the fans, you failed. Miserably. This film is a miserable failure at being Star Wars in every way.”
Tell that Lucas. EVERYONE GIVES INTERVIEWS DUMMY.
“So Rian didn’t decide to kill Luke right away. It came later in the creative process.”
This is baseless. He doesn’t say where in the process. You must not create anything to not understand this. You are full of lies.
“First: When you have to continually explain your movie to justify your decisions and make sense of them to the fans, you failed. Miserably. This film is a miserable failure at being Star Wars in every way.”
Tell that Lucas. EVERYONE GIVES INTERVIEWS DUMMY.
“So Rian didn’t decide to kill Luke right away. It came later in the creative process.”
This is baseless. He doesn’t say where in the process. You must not create anything to not understand this. You are full of lies.
Don’t listen to the trolls that can only understand their opinion of the movie or call out all the negative as lies and deception. They are Disney PR people…a few of them show up here to monitor and spin appropriately.
Nowhere did Uncle Deadly call out any “negatives as lies and deception.” He simply pointed out that directors of big films tend to talk about those films after they’re released. And he’s right.
But..you called out some folks as liars, then said that some of them are paid by Disney. Interesting. Ironic.
Did I call him out specifically? Who did I call a liar?
and yes, make no mistake…Disney PR has a whole department of people that work on social media and do exactly that. Spin the negative.
Where’s the irony?
Just finished watching Rogue One while building my Lego UCS Millennium Falcon… that movie is so underrated…
Years from now it will be a cult classic. So far, it’s really the only “original” movie of the new films while still being utterly respectful of the GFFA that Lucas created. It’s a humble movie… not pretentious like TLJ. Hopefully “Solo” follows suit.
Rogue One had its moments for sure. I’m not holding out hope for Solo however. This movie is going to be a train wreck.
Rogue One had its moments for sure. I’m not holding out hope for Solo however. This movie is going to be a train wreck.
I have good hope for Solo being a “fun flick” — not anything life change, but popcorn fun.
I think you’re right. I hate to see Star Wars go the way of Marvell turning out comedies. The latest Thor was great, but the gritty and serious tone of R1 was a better fit for SW.
I think you’re right. I hate to see Star Wars go the way of Marvell turning out comedies. The latest Thor was great, but the gritty and serious tone of R1 was a better fit for SW.
my expectations are so low, that it will probably end up making it to be a welcome surprise.
Because…you saw the first cut, read the script, talk only from your anus
Do tell me where you and your ilk get access to the super-early screenings you base your predictions on when the rest of us haven’t even got the first teaser.
He’s just running his mouth. He has very little idea of what he’s talking about.
Yep. Gotta love somebody who upvotes every single one of their posts as well.
Does he? Oh man, he does! Haha! That’s amazing. : D
Oh, I know.
Agree about R1, which is the only positive thing from Disney so far.
I really hope that Solo is a good SW movie, but as im angry about the misuse of SW brand, i will first watch cam-version before i decide to go to cinema or not.
“…i will first watch cam-version before i decide to go to cinema or not.”
Good lord. It’s going to the movies, not selecting a university.
Nope, its voting with your wallet.
The fact im a SW fan does not mean i will pay for whatever shit they produce.
We will see with Ep 9, if all the Ep 8 haters will stay true – 9 will be a lot behind 8 in B.O. sales.
Maybe even with SOLO is more people unhappy with the SW movie direction adopt my thinking.
Not sure a movie that made over $1bn at the box office could qualify as a cult classic.
It’s the most fanboy movie ever made. The whole premise was taken from a line from A New Hope’s opening scroll. Original, not so much.
Not sure a movie that made over $1bn at the box office could qualify as a cult classic.
It’s the most fanboy movie ever made. The whole premise was taken from a line from A New Hope’s opening scroll. Original, not so much.
The difference is that it’s original in it’s structure compared to TFA and TLJ. These movies lift scenes right out of ANH/ESB/ROTJ and just move a few chess pieces to make them appear different. Rey is stranded on a sand planet named Jakku, while Luke is on a sand planet named Tatooine. Rey/Kylo/Snoke have a Throne Room scene just like Luke/Vader/Emperor Throne Room Scene in ROTJ. Benecio Del Toro turns on Finn/Rose the same way Lando turned on Han/Leia in ESB. The Battle of Crait is similar to the Battle of Hoth. Rey goes to find Luke to train her just as Luke went to find Yoda to train him in ESB. TFA is a crowd pleaser, while TLJ is a downer just as ANH & ESB were, and I assume with JJ back for Episode 9, that will be a crowd pleaser like ROTJ.
Rogue One (while the story was taken from ANH Death Star), has a different structure then the other SW movies, and doesn’t take storylines straight from other movies. My only beef with the movie is the CGI Tarkin and Leia just don’t sit well with me.
I mean “cult classic” in the sense that most people have all but forgot that movie even happened but at some point there will be a resurgence of love for it. It’s a very solid movie IMO … I’ve found myself putting it on more and more lately. (maybe it’s therapy after TLJ let down as well?)
Rogue One is a solid SW movie, and doesn’t have any dopey humor like TLJ had. The humor from Rogue One mostly comes from the C3P0-like droid, and it is sporadically placed in the movie at the right time. TLJ just has humor that is literally thrown in and sticks out like a sore thumb.
Rogue One is a solid SW movie, and doesn’t have any dopey humor like TLJ had. The humor from Rogue One mostly comes from the C3P0-like droid, and it is sporadically placed in the movie at the right time. TLJ just has humor that is literally thrown in and sticks out like a sore thumb.
I still can’t believe just how bad TLJ was. It reached the final frontier of shit filmmaking. Boldly going where no Star Wars film had gone before.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1aca03a949149a65fb67fe130aa1f332b34d485346a30ee80bcd07d4e63e4c46.jpg
you mean from the people that can’t understand why the bad reviews?
No, the people who bitch endlessly about this thing with one lame gripe after the other.
we find your love for the film, equally as lame. Please go pet the mouse some more. He likes when you rub his head.
we find your love for the film, equally as lame. Please go pet the mouse some more. He likes when you rub his head.
Great. You can continue to wallow in misery. I’ll continue to be thrilled at what I got.
no wallowing here…just stating that it sucks. Enjoy your movie.
Those complaints are very legit.
Most of the complaints have to do with the movie not matching the one one they already wrote in their heads, the presence of yucky women, and petty nitpick stuff. Very little of it is legit.
Aren’t you the guy always complaining here for Prequels ? TLJ and TFA are as much failed as Prequels are. Not for the same reasons but the level of criticism is pretty the same, on this site to begin with.
And the loop keeps looping…
Nothing in the sequels approaches that level of ineptitude. Not even close. Those movies fail in the basics of moviemaking 101.
You are 100% right. Not only one of the WORST SW films I have seen, but one of the WORST films in general. It’s like the worst of the fan-fiction come to life. In fact, I have read FAR better fan-fic.
90% positive reviews.
Cinemascore polling: The Last Jedi earned an 89% overall positive score and a five-star rating from moviegoers. That’s in the wheelhouse of what Force Awakens earned (90% overall positive/ 4 1/2 stars) and Rogue One (91% positive, 4 1/2 stars). These are scientific, statistically accumulated audience exit polls.
Read it and weep.
The exit pool, its only after the premiere of the movie when all the biggest most excited fans go ?
Is it performed for all visitor of the particular screening or just a sample of each screening – if not all then you can pick up only those happy looking people to get batter result and really avoid those angry looking.
Does the pool have questions to find out whether the person is a hardcore SW fan or just a casual movie visitor ?
It is conducted at various theaters around the country, not the premieres, upon initial release. No distinction is given to whether or not people look happy. No questions about hardcore fandom. They ask how would you rate the film on a grade scale. Then they ask demographics questions like age, gender, etc.
Thanx for explaining, but my question about selection of people was not fully answered.
Do they ask all people of the screening OR is there just a selection of group / sample ?
If a selection is made – there IS a possibility to pick people as i described.
Is the survey done automatically be leaving papers in the cinema or its done by people who are paid for it as its a job for them ? If by people, then what hinders the employer to give them a specific instruction to pick certain group of people – the are paid to do a certain job according to a certain request. And the employer can be paid by Di$ney to collect specific data to their liking.
They want a range of people that demographically represent the moviegoing pubic. So I don’t know how they go about selecting the people in the screenings, but it’s weighted to reflect demographics. As far as I know, they aren’t paid. They are only concerned about genuine reactions, not fake ones. It doesn’t benefit them at all as a polling firm if they get purposefully inaccurate results.
So u admit there is a human factor in it and there is a possible selection. If u see a sad teenager and a happy teenager – u can always pick the happy one.
Wow, the pople who are spending their time questioning someone at the cinema are doing it for free ???
If u get paid u can make up any pool results – happening all the time with elections (at least in my country 🙂 ).
So how come the did not catched the big part of the fandom which does not like TLJ ??? The people are there for sure yet the pool results were a bit off with that.
The selection is based on demographics that reflect the moviegoing public, like any scientific poll does to improve accuracy and wide representation.
They don’t decide who to ask based on what expression is on their face. That’s ridiculous. They want honest opinion – the more honest opinion they get, the more accurate their data is. If they try to be selective about it, their data would be inaccurate and they would no longer be trusted as a polling firm.
Maybe it didn’t catch discontented fans because they aren’t in the same numbers you assume they are. The most angry voices speak the loudest, despite their actual numbers. Secondly, a percentage of the people in the theater may be casual fans or casual moviegoers, there is no certainty that they are all diehard fans.
50% and DROPPING fan reviews.
Fans matter more.
The reviews are absolutely the best reading!!!
fan reviews mean nothing when trolls online mass up to make them. Try again
fan reviews mean nothing when trolls online mass up to make them. Try again
except they were all used when they were high praises for TFA …and they are in line with some of the prequels. Yeah, we all lined up just to do that…dumbest shit ever said.
Oh you mean those completely non-scientific online ratings? Please.
but they were fine for all the other films…no one cried about those numbers until now. Give me a break.
There wasn’t any evidence of angry butthurt fanboys swarming those sites or bot attack activism from alt right losers until now.
And if you want to talk RT audience scores:
Check out the audience scores of these amazing movies :
Transformers: 85%
Justice League: 77%
Man of Steel: 75%
So that means jack shit to me.
there’s no evidence here except for crying libs like you.
No, there’s scientific polling that backs me up, plus a vast critical consensus. But keep touting your unscientific online rating sites.
yep
🙁 When did a Star Wars movie become a Trump conversation?
just firing back…I should know better.
Wow how wrong could you be.
Wow how wrong could you be.
There is nothing wrong with this comment. This is how you feel about the movie.
Trying to convince people who liked it that it sucks and rooting for the film to tank…sheer stupidity
The movie sucked. sorry if that triggers liberal social justice purple haired feminazi warriors, #notsorry #notmylukeskywalker
Ah, the deplorable…
now that’s funny!
now that’s funny!
So we can’t bring up how a majority of white middle aged men are calling Rian Johnson a faggot on social media and brigading movie sites to lower the films rating.
But we can justify our not liking the movie because those who do are liberal?
I’m disappointed Cw. And this is why I don’t come here anymore.
Yay. he’s back…
(finished reading post)
awww. nvm.
Purging ignorance from your mind and soul can hurt.
But it’s worth it to the let the light of truth in.
you know, I was just firing back. I stay out of that stuff as much as possible. Just get sick of being labled….I should have passed, but a moment of weakness.
btw…glad to see you!
Sounds like you’re the one triggered.
Little boy who can’t deal with women in space fantasy movies about magical wizards.
Grow the f up.
I’m very sorry you don’t get the point of Star Wars.
I do get the point of Star Wars, which is why I despise the Last Jedi. It didn’t “feel Star Wars” at all. Ruin Johnson watches far too much Anime, Hunger Games, Mary Poppins, Harry Potter, and the Matrix. Those are not Star Wars.
LOL, you just proved my point.
LOL, you just proved my point.
We all have, with the exception of the Disney PR guys that show up here to counter the negative opinions.
Well at least this comment had anything to do with the article
Honestly, it’s just not the same without Shatner.
Honestly, it’s just not the same without Shatner.
Banthas like Star Wars and 16-bit video games.
https://youtu.be/oFfMN6lPnlA
If there is any SW movie better suited for 16-bit lameness, it’s this one
If there is any SW movie better suited for 16-bit lameness, it’s this one
John Williams’ work is like music to my bantha ears. (heehee)
https://youtu.be/ZHb9T6WvvW0
https://youtu.be/U9e5JcKxHaA
Two of my favorite tracks! “Battle of Crait” and “A New Alliance” are pretty good, too.
Luke and Ben at the end. Both equipped with lightsabers, facing off against one another = a duel.
Order of events:
Avant-premiere (vip guests and chritics invited): Absolute success, great rating.
Premiere: Star Wars hooligans (most of them white male) begun a campaign to underrate the movie by creating multiple social media accounts and spamming official accounts from Disney, LFL and SW. Basically against the fact that Luke Skywalker (peace-maker Jedi, by the way) rejects the endless fight and sacrifies himself to save what he loves, not to destroy what he hates.
Christmas and beyond: The SW hooligans haven’t got their goeal to b+tch the movie. The Last Jedi remains critically aclaimed and regular fans and movie goers go to the theater in mass. It becomes number 1 film of 2017. Rian Johnson shouts his instagram comments and goes peacefully on vacation while dreaming about his future trilogy.
thats great, cant wait to see it
For a Star Wars trilogy movie, the box office, albeit Impressive, was nonetheless disappointing. Believe it or not, but here in Brazil for example TLJ will actually gross less than Justice League ! In China, it opened below R1 and it made only half of what TFA made in the opening weekend. Rather than blindly defending RJ no matter what, people should acknowledge he made mistakes and wrote a very bad script. The franchise would benefit from that exercise.
You are insane…
Nothing will ever match TFA because it had 30+ years of hype building up to it.
TLJ has already made 1.2 BILLION in less than a month in theaters..
It has already surpassed RO in box office.
The movie is more than meeting box office expectations..
You are insane…
Nothing will ever match TFA because it had 30+ years of hype building up to it.
TLJ has already made 1.2 BILLION in less than a month in theaters..
It has already surpassed RO in box office.
The movie is more than meeting box office expectations..
Actually no TFA didn’t have 30+ years of hype. The last Star Wars movie before that was ROTS which came out in 2005. At that time we were told it was the last ever. Disney bought Lucasfilm in 2012 and we were then told they were doing Episode VII so really only 3 years of hype.
Did any of the prequels continue the story after VI? People had been waiting since 1983 for Episode VII.
Don’t be obtuse.
Wasn’t trying to be obtuse. I was just pointing out that you can’t get hyped for something you didn’t know was coming. I know Lucas initially said there would be 9 films but he denied that soon after Jedi came out and had constantly said since then that there would only be 6 films. I happen to agree with you that TFA had more hype than TLJ for a number of reason but to say it’s because it had 30+ years of hype is seriously over exaggerating.
here are all the numbers…decide for yourself.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=starwars.htm
“the box office, albeit Impressive, was nonetheless disappointing.”
The fifth highest grossing film in all of America is a disappointment…?
to the average person, no. but when you are a hollywood bean counter who expected 1.6-1.7 billion take and it “only” gets 1.2 its considered some what disappointing. personally its no skin off my nose either way.
The Hollywood bean counter needs to get it together, because $1.6 billion would be a far better hold than any previous SW trilogy sequel. $1.3-1.4 is more realistic, and TLJ is basically guaranteed to get there, so yeah.
what non sense….real reviews by real people. Blame the white guy??? really?
I said mostly. And I said it because there’s a huge difference between not liking this film and actually calling “asian b*tch” to the new lead, or writing down “liberal faggot” at Rian’s instagram (these are the ones I’m calling hooligans).
mostly…still an issue to call out a whole race based on a few stupid comments.
Just because it’s white people you are referring to, doesn’t make it any less of a racist statement.
So don’t blame me or others for what idiots say. Just call out those people that are actually the one’s saying it.
You misunderstand my point. I’m a white male as well and I’m not insulting myself. I’m not saying all white male are SW hooligans, I’m saying SW hooligans are mostly white male, which is different.
it shouldn’t be brought up. period.
Order of events: movie made, fans excited, fans watch film, fans have mixed reactions, world explodes, fans continue arguing in the nuclear winter that follows.
never a good idea to fall back to racebaiting, NEVER
takes every other point of your arguement invalid
please crawl back into your hole
Looking forward to the first full week after the holiday break, and can expect some major announcements soon, stay tuned
“we are the spark that will light the fire that will burn the First Order down.” is almost as eyerolly as “We fight to save the things we (long pause) LOVE *(faints)
I fundamentally disagree with killing Luke Skywalker and the specific journey TLJ had for him, but I also understand the importance of passing the torch and propping up the new characters and we really couldn’t do that if Luke Skywalker was still around battling evil. This entire new sequel trilogy and soft reboot of the franchise has been a critical and commercial success but I can’t help but feel that something is missing. I can’t say that I enjoyed TLJ as much as I hoped I would, but I am curious to see where they can go from here and if they can actually do something different because they really painted themselves into a corner with where they left off.
100% agree with you. I like Rian Johnson as a film maker and I was more excited about seeing TLJ than I was about TFA and that’s saying something. I couldn’t believe how disappointed I was when I came out of the cinema. It made me feel so despondent about Star Wars that it’s taken me a few weeks to get back into the novel and comic I was reading before hand.
I can’t imagine being so disappointed in a movie that it would take me a few weeks to read a comic. I suppose you must be one of those millennials I’ve heard about…
I received the novel Phasma and the latest Doctor Aphra comic the day TLJ came out. I got about half way through dr aphra and about 8 chapters into Phasma before going to see the movie. I couldn’t get back to reading them till about 2 weeks after that due to the bad feelings TLJ left me with. As for being a millennial, lol no I’m a bit older than that!
Ah I see, in context makes sense 🙂
I agree, TLJ put me into severe “Star Wars Depression” and I commend you for sharing your story.
U can throw Phasma away – pointles character now.
As for the Aphra – its OT era so its better and i start to like that cyborgized female imperial officer – cant wait for the story to continue
I think Aphra is fantastic! She’s one of my top favourite characters. I’ve finished Phasma and yeah it was a struggle to get through after her being killed in TLJ. Doing a novel (and comic) of her was kinda pointless now. Even Boba Fett hasn’t had a new canon novel and he’s more popular than Phasma ever was or will be.
Why now *GASP* have a Sequel Trilogy with the OT character SIDE BY SIDE with the New Characters? That would satisfy EVERY fan from age 5 to 75 — and make a HECK of lot more money at the Box Office. A more wholistic, multi-generational Trilogy would be far more satisfying than this silly “killing off” of OT characters to supposedly make us care more about Rey and Finn…..
Lucas is missing.
if they where gonna kill off luke they could have atleast had him battle one last time in person and not him out to be a huge coward .
if they where gonna kill off luke they could have atleast had him battle one last time in person and not him out to be a huge coward .
There’s hasn’t been a decent lightsaber fight since Disney tookover.
very true and we know we wont see one on the han solo movie either .the last jedi really made me appreciate the prequel movies.
very true and we know we wont see one on the han solo movie either .the last jedi really made me appreciate the prequel movies.
I quite liked the brutality and simplicity of the fight from 7. But nothing will ever compare to Vader vs Luke on Bespin.
The sooner you Dorks realize Star Wars is and has been written for Kids the better. I have been a fan since 1977 but you Idiots just don’t get it. The powers that be do not care what you Nerds think. Here’s a suggestion, get off the internet and figure out how to get laid you 35+ year old pathetic wastes of space. You idiots don’t even realize just how sad your existence really is. If the high point in your life is to exhaust yourself with beating down Star Wars movies then you are the same A Holes that need to be placed on the Front Line and 1st to be killed in a war against A Holes like North Korea. Bunch of pathetic Dorks. What a Sad Lot you are. If you idiots were put in the same predicament as the characters in these movies 99.99999 % of you morons would be dead within a day.
The sooner you Dorks realize Star Wars is and has been written for Kids the better. I have been a fan since 1977 but you Idiots just don’t get it. The powers that be do not care what you Nerds think. Here’s a suggestion, get off the internet and figure out how to get laid you 35+ year old pathetic wastes of space. You idiots don’t even realize just how sad your existence really is. If the high point in your life is to exhaust yourself with beating down Star Wars movies then you are the same A Holes that need to be placed on the Front Line and 1st to be killed in a war against A Holes like North Korea. Bunch of pathetic Dorks. What a Sad Lot you are. If you idiots were put in the same predicament as the characters in these movies 99.99999 % of you morons would be dead within a day.
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Sounds like you need to get laid my man
Sounds like you need to get laid my man
The irony and lack of self-awareness in your post is astounding.
You wouldnt happen to be running for president would you? Im just saying you sound very presidential.
One thing we can all agree on… the Original Trilogy films are still better than anything that has come after 1983. Try as they may, Disney will never equal or better the original films or characters.
Agreed. My top 3 SW films are still all from the original trilogy. But 7 and 8 have far surpassed the Prequels in my humble opinion especially TFA
Luke act like a god by the end of the movie. He will be remembered as a god among new jedis
I think JJ Abrams understands SW fans more than RJ. Rian should have listened to Mark Hamil. Completely unnecessary to do what he did to Luke, especially since he only had a few seconds in TFA. I’m hoping JJ will do something in Epi 9 to turn things around 180° or at least finish off with a great film. JJ is our Last Hope
We dont need someone who understands Star Wars fans, because Star Wars fans as a whole are a manic and schizophrenic people.
We dont need someone who understands Star Wars fans, because Star Wars fans as a whole are a manic and schizophrenic people.
So much this.
And everyone explains their movies in those interviews. You failed to inference, moron.
But good lack of reading comprehension.
“Everyone explains their movies…”
Wrong
“You failed to inference…”
You’re using the word wrong. Moron
“Good lack of reading comprehension”
I’m now convinced I’m either arguing with a 12 year old or an illiterate.
Take a break before you hurt your brain.
That fukker should not say one word ever. he destroyed the best saga in the history of film with this abomination. he was a suck up to Kennedy and did this feminist propaganda movie. It was a parody. An insult to fans all over the world. Shame on those who allowed this to happen.