Editorial: “I am No One”: Why Rey’s Origins from The Last Jedi Make Sense

Over the last two years, there have been a lot of fan theories about the true origins of Rey, the scavenger from Jakku we all met in The Force Awakens. There were also a lot of discussions between fans about the various signs that seemed to indicate her relation to many of the Original Trilogy heroes (and even to the villains). However, we received a shocking revelation from Ben Solo himself (if Rey calls him Ben, I refuse to call him anything else myself) regarding her origins in the junkyards of Jakku…

 

Apparently, Rey was the daughter of two good-for-nothing junk traders who sold her to the despicable Unkar Plutt, allegedly, for drinking money. Some of the more contumacious fans that were attached to a certain theory are still in denial – speculating that the revelation was just an outright lie from the new Supreme Leader of the First Order to diminish the character of our heroine and convince her to join him. Sometimes I wonder if it was the same question fans made to themselves after watching The Empire Strikes Back about the revelation Vader made to Luke – was he lying to lure him into the dark side? And it might well be the case – depending on what JJ Abrams decides for Episode IX, but so far, it makes sense that Rey is unrelated to any known character (at least that’s how Rian Johnson sees it).

 

Why? Because so far, the choices our heroes in the Star Wars universe have made have turned out to be way more important than their lineage or their abilities. For example, let’s think of what Ezra Bridger (from Star Wars: Rebels) asks Princess Leia in the Season 2 episode “A Princess on Lothal”: “You’re a princess. You don’t have to risk your life doing this.” And she replies to him: “I feel like because I can fight, I have to for those who cannot. And I think you might be the same way”. So Princess Leia, even before we found out she was Luke’s sister and part of the Skywalker family, was special not because of her bloodline or her lineage, but because of her choices. And if you think about it, the same happens with all of our heroes, the old and the new; they are special and important because of their actions and their choices.

 

 

Some people argue that by doing this, leaving the Skywalker family out of the central focus of the saga in the new trilogy, the original vision of George Lucas is being betrayed. But I just think of the original drafts and the last-minute choice of making Leia Luke’s twin sister. If we want to talk about an original vision, the one that comes across on screen is simply this: ordinary people from different backgrounds (and species) can make a difference. If we look back at that Throne Room scene, we were celebrating that individuals as different as a Corellian smuggler, his Wookiee co-pilot, a farm boy from Tatooine and an Alderaanian princess saved the fate of the Rebellion helped by two droids and the sacrifice of a Jedi Knight.

 

But I can understand the obsession regarding the concoction of elaborated theories on how it’s possible that Rey might be the daughter of any of our beloved heroes, because in the beginning I was part of that trend. I would read the signs – or try to find any signs at all – on any piece of canon media I could get my hands on. But at one point, I realized that having Rey as a character who is not part of anyone’s legacy is such a great message for all of us.

 

Our heroes are important not because of who they are or a certain birthright they might possess: they are important for the choices they made to fight towards peace and justice for the galaxy. Compared to other sagas (like Game of Thrones, big fan here!) where we might care a lot about Houses, their allegiances and bloodlines, even then, there is a shared belief of the weight of our actions taken vs. where we come from. That’s why when J.K. Rowling mentions in the Harry Potter saga that it is our choices that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.

 

 

In this case, we could even add origins as well as another factor not as important as our own choices on defining who we are. Even what we heard from Maz Kanata in The Force Awakens expresses it clearer: “The belonging you seek is not behind you. It is ahead.” That’s a common motif on these sagas: a shared perception on how individuals often face significant conflict in the inside on their learning path towards finding their true self. And who we really are has a lot to do with the choices we make. No matter if you are a pilot born to a family of Rebels, a former Stormtrooper, a scavenger from nowhere or a broom boy from Canto Bight.

 

Maybe that is why George Lucas designed the Jedi Order that we know from the prequels: an organization formed by individuals from all across the Republic where admission was granted not on grounds of birthright, species or planet of origin – it was done based on Force-sensitivity. So at one point – the legacy or the origins of any member was not important – rather, it was one’s deeds and achievements that made them a vital part of the order. This is something we can also get from The Clone Wars animated series, where we had all these clones made from a bounty hunter: physically identical soldiers created with the same genetic code and made just with the sole purpose of fighting as part of the Grand Army of the Republic, but even so, we had great examples of individual heroism in clones like Gregor, Fives or Rex who broke the very mold of who they were designed to be.

 

Perhaps it will make more sense when we see the conclusion of this trilogy, but from a certain point of view, it makes sense that Rey is a hero in her own right, rather than based on her ties to any of our well-known and beloved heroes in the Star Wars universe.

 

 

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371 thoughts on “Editorial: “I am No One”: Why Rey’s Origins from The Last Jedi Make Sense

  • January 5, 2018 at 10:14 pm
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    I never really liked the idea of Rey being a Skywalker or Solo. Her being a Kenobi or Palpatine, would be too much of a coincidence, so I never really cared for that theory either. I was more upset by the direction they took Luke in than I was by Rey’s parents being nobodies.

    • January 5, 2018 at 11:13 pm
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      Luke was definitely abused by Ruin Johnson.

      • January 5, 2018 at 11:33 pm
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        How so?

        • January 5, 2018 at 11:38 pm
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          Luke’s character was deeply abused and then killed. Which was immature and impulsive on Ruin Johnson’s part.

        • January 5, 2018 at 11:38 pm
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          Luke’s character was deeply abused and then killed. Which was immature and impulsive on Ruin Johnson’s part.

          • January 6, 2018 at 12:08 am
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            How so?

          • January 6, 2018 at 12:10 am
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            I’ve never liked Luke more.

          • January 6, 2018 at 5:33 am
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            Same. He’s much more fun here than before.

          • January 6, 2018 at 12:11 am
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            You: “Luke was definitely abused…”
            Me: “How so?”
            You: “Luke’s character was deeply abused…”

            Sigh.

          • January 6, 2018 at 8:18 am
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            Kent made up his mind about hating this movie months before it was released. I’m not one to dismiss negative opinions of this movie; there are many valid ones. But all you need to do is go back to any Last Jedi-related article on this site dating back to the very first trailer to see that his opinion has been set in stone for practically a year now. He has no arguments, just bland whining.

          • January 6, 2018 at 12:11 am
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            Luke wasn’t killed or abused. He willingly became one with the Force in an act of bravery and courage, redeeming himself and inspiring a new generation of Jedi and freedom fighters. If you can’t get behind that as a core concept of Star Wars from ANH on, then it’s your loss.

          • January 6, 2018 at 12:13 am
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            Yes, Luke couldn’t literally face down the whole first order on his own, but he could use his legend one last time to inspire the galaxy to join the fight, which is what he did with his showdown with Kylo on Crait. I loved that unexpected take. That was the whole point of the kids on Canto Bight at the end already telling the story about what had happened on Crait…inspiring the galaxy with the legend of Luke Skywalker.

        • January 6, 2018 at 12:37 am
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          Johnson told Luke to assume the position, obviously. Or was that someone’s childhood?

  • January 5, 2018 at 10:15 pm
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    I don’t understand why everyone keeps saying that it was revealed by Kylo. Rey was the one who confirmed it, Kylo simply agreed.

    – Do you want to know the truth about your parents, or have you always known? You know the truth, say it. Say it!
    – They were nobody.
    – The were filthy junk traders, who sold you of for drinking money.

    I only ever read it as Kylo being able to sense, through Rey, what she’s always known deep down.

    • January 6, 2018 at 5:32 am
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      Yep. Not to mention that the only reason Kylo knows is because he read Rey’s mind when their hands touched.

      • January 6, 2018 at 7:57 pm
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        Exactly. Which is also why I think he made that remark about their final resting place.

        I absolutely did not take that to be literal, it was simply something he filled in. His deduction from what he could sense from her. He sensed that she knew that they were nobodies, that’s it. The rest is merely assumptions he makes from knowing where she grew up.

        • January 6, 2018 at 8:01 pm
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          Yeah, that’s how I read it as well.

    • January 6, 2018 at 6:16 pm
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      But you stop short of the problematic Kylo line. “…buried in a paupers’ grave in the Jakku desert.” I’m 100% fine with her parents being nobody. But if in her heart, or the depths of her mind or whatever, she knew this, she would not have been scratching marks in the wall of her dwelling counting the days till they returned. She would not have been so resigned to staying there and waiting for them. When Solo offered her a job aboard the Falcon, she wouldn’t have told him she’s “already been gone too long.” No, as she was written in TFA, she believed her family was gone and coming back. That’s the only thing that would have kept her there. She aboslutely did not think that they were buried in the Jakku desert. If she did, she could have put that issue to bed and freed herself to leave Jakku. So Kylo’s line was either Rian deliberately ignoring who she was in TFA or it’s a lie/exaggeration from Kylo.

      • January 6, 2018 at 8:02 pm
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        On the other hand, neither Kylo, nor Rey, seem to consider that part of what was said to be very important. Because it isn’t. Because it is absolutley, completely beside the point.

        Her drive and character arc has been defined as “who am I” from the very beginning. The only thing in that whole exchange that matters in the slightest is the fact that she accepts that her parents were nobodies, and that Kylo can sense it.

        He could just as well have continued “They were pieces of shit.” and people would be arguing that it makes no sense, because nothing in TFA gave the impression that her parent were made out of actual fecal matter.

  • January 5, 2018 at 10:22 pm
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    She’s not related to anyone but she’s gonna make her way in the family by ending up with Ben. YEA THATS RIGHT I SHIP THE HELL OUTTA THESE TWO! FIGHT ME ILL CUT YOU!! Lol

    • January 6, 2018 at 12:42 am
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      Not my cup of tea, but I get where that ship of yours could sail from.

    • January 6, 2018 at 5:31 am
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      #ReyloForLife

  • January 5, 2018 at 11:11 pm
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    Nice try at retro-splaining. Star Wars is about LEGACY, not random-acts. Rey’s parentage reveal in TLJ was a monumental DISAPPOINTMENT for fans of literally all ages. We wanted something more substantial. But Ruin Johnson likes to be “edgy and bold” right?

    • January 5, 2018 at 11:26 pm
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      “Star Wars is about LEGACY, not random-acts”
      Correct.
      his set of films 1-9 should be able the Skywalkers, later films in the franchise should have been used to introduce these concepts.

      • January 5, 2018 at 11:32 pm
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        Agreed 100%. Acts 1 thru 9 should have been about the Skywalker lineage. Then if Ruin Johnson and gang want to make their “own brand new edgy trilogies” (separately), then go for it and make up new visions & random broom-boys all day long.

      • January 5, 2018 at 11:32 pm
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        Agreed 100%. Acts 1 thru 9 should have been about the Skywalker lineage. Then if Ruin Johnson and gang want to make their “own brand new edgy trilogies” (separately), then go for it and make up new visions & random broom-boys all day long.

        • January 5, 2018 at 11:33 pm
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          It’s about continuity, or should be.

        • January 6, 2018 at 12:09 am
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          Acts 1-9 are about the Skywalkers. Everyone seems to ignore that Ben Solo is a Skywalker. This trilogy seems to be about Ben’s rise in the dark side and Rey bringing balance to that.

          • January 6, 2018 at 12:14 am
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            I didn’t. Lots of folks here are talking about how 7-9 don’t deal with the Skywalker lineage and I’m over here laughing…

          • January 6, 2018 at 8:33 am
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            Exactly. How dare they make the Skywalker in this trilogy a complex, tormented outcast who feels lost and abandoned and turns to the false comfort of hate? And especially bc of a mistake made by the fallible and HUMAN Luke Skywalker ?? He obviously should have been the hero again, just like Luke, so we can see that, again. It’s almost as if they wanted to expand the storytelling of this saga and introduce new and emotionally resonant ideas that challenge the predictability of the saga while still adhering to themes of classical mythology rather than simply fulfilling the fantasies of fans who feel they own this franchise.

      • January 5, 2018 at 11:57 pm
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        Anakin was a random kid, Amidala, random princess, Obi Wan : Random Jedi.. nothing Legacy about it untill the Skywalkertwins were born.. but then the OT.. random Han, Random Lando, Random Ewoks… Well.. guess that whole Legacy Vs random actions is a stupid debate to begin with.
        All trilogies are fine, different, the same… dont go to deep with this.. its a space fantasy story.

        • January 5, 2018 at 11:58 pm
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          Anakin was created by the force, that’s not some random kid in any sense of the word.

          • January 5, 2018 at 11:59 pm
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            so.. maybe rey is aswell.. we dont know that yet.

          • January 6, 2018 at 12:00 am
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            I hoped so, but the ‘reveal’ is her parents are junkyard people whom sold her for drinking money.

          • January 6, 2018 at 12:00 am
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            Yes and Anakin was a slave sold to gardilla the Hutt ..

          • January 6, 2018 at 12:00 am
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            Yes and Anakin was a slave sold to gardilla the Hutt ..

          • January 6, 2018 at 12:01 am
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            Yes – with a mother (no dad, do you recall the bit of no father). Do you really think they’re going to play that card again?

          • January 6, 2018 at 12:04 am
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            i don’t know, nobody does. But something was inside her and woke, luke’s saber called her, she hears yoda and Ben in a vision.. i think there is more to it yes.

          • January 6, 2018 at 12:08 am
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            I do hope so, or at least its explained better has another poster suggested its the light side of the force rising to counter the Skywalker blood. That’s not random like you’ve suggested above, but something special. Anakin had a higher midichlorian count than Yoda, it might be weaker now in his grandson, but we don’t know how strong Kylo/Ben is in the force.

          • January 6, 2018 at 12:16 am
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            that was my initial point.. Starwars is about lagacy and random acts.. im not debating it.. merely point out that all starwars films are a mixture.. and the way i see it the new trilogie is no exeption..i also hope that Rey is not random.. like Anakin.

      • January 6, 2018 at 12:13 am
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        They still are. Ben is a Solo. He’s Anakin’s grandson. So…how are these movies not still about the Skywalker lineage?

    • January 5, 2018 at 11:32 pm
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      “We wanted something more substantial.”

      Once again you claim to speak for all fans. I think Rey’s parents being revealed as nobodies was the right move. According to what we know about the timeline, it wouldn’t have made much (or any) sense to have had Rey’s parents be either Luke or Han & Leia. Don’t get my started on the silly theories of her being a descendant of Obi-Wan or the Emperor. There is something particularly powerful about a hero that comes from humble roots. Even a “nobody” can rise from nothing in order to become something strong and influential. If you don’t think that’s substantial, then you’re really missing the boat on what her character is supposed to be about.

      Quit waving the “we” flag and speak for yourself. You’re entitled to your own opinion, but claiming to speak for the entirety of fandom makes you sound silly.

      • January 5, 2018 at 11:37 pm
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        Judging by the EXTREME reaction online to this film, including the lowers Rotten Tomatoes fan score (in the history of SW), which is continuing to drop by the day, I think it’s safe to conclude that a substantial percentage of fans were deeply disappointment by the “answers” this film provided to “the big questions.”

        • January 6, 2018 at 12:00 am
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          Don’t bring up Rotten Tomatoes or IMDb or metacritic or allocine or the shitload of metacrtic websites that gave TLJ a mediocre rating. They will tell you how these websites have been hacked by a troll syndicate or something and bring up the only real scientific poll which is Cinescore and which gave TLJ an A rating. Oh yeah? Do you know what else got an A rating by Cinescore? Pretty much every god damn movie in 2017 including mootherf*cking Tyler Perry’s Boo 2!
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1e51fde3912f059586cb3adf24fd8917976ff9a29f687c5c80927f6f8386918f.jpg
          You and I had our differences in the past given that I was pretty much 100% happy with Disney before TLJ happened but the amount of excuses and ignoring the divide that is clearly happening in the SW fanbase is ridiculous. So kudo’s for you for being critical when noone else was.

          • January 6, 2018 at 12:31 am
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            Not interested in silly conspiracy theories. The fans have spoken.

          • January 6, 2018 at 12:34 am
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            That was my point…

          • January 6, 2018 at 12:41 am
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            Oh gotcha man!

          • January 6, 2018 at 2:13 am
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            Not a problem, trying to be sarcastic in a foreign language over the internet can easily be misinterpreted 🙂

          • January 6, 2018 at 5:30 am
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            …Because Cinemascore is actually polls real theater audiences and approaches scientific accuracy, whereas RT and Metacritic are a free-for-all-. Cinemascore doesn’t actually indicate quality, just audience reception, and audiences clearly liked TLJ.

          • January 6, 2018 at 3:10 pm
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            They like pretty much anything which makes the score useless. Metacrtitc websites might have slightly manipulated ratings every now and then but they are the best way to measure the general oppinion about a movie. MOre often than not they are quite accurate and there is no reason to think they are not representative of the general reception of TLJ unless someone provides factual evidence that some hackers have tampered with the results.

          • January 6, 2018 at 8:26 pm
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            Not hackers, just people who can easily make multiple sock accounts and rate a film before it comes out, or if they haven’t actually seen it. that’s just not a dependable way to gauge audience reactions, never mind the fact that you’re already skewing the data towards angry fanboys by having them go to the website to rate the film rater then polling everyday people as they leave a theater.

        • January 6, 2018 at 12:12 am
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          Even so, “substantial number” don’t equate to the entire fan base. So, once again, you can’t speak for everyone. Speak for yourself. You’d probably take rather strong umbrage with someone claiming to speak on your behalf. Why don’t you extend this courtesy to others.

          TLJ was most certainly divisive. Most of my friends liked it. Some hated it. If you’re talking about “EXTREME” reactions, those fall along both lines.

      • January 6, 2018 at 12:30 am
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        I personally can’t think of a Star Wars movie with more substance. I love that I kind of discover new themes, etc. each time I see it.

        • January 6, 2018 at 5:30 am
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          Oh yeah. There’s a lot to take in with TLJ, it’s really fascinating. one detail that i really liked was that when Rey and Kylo have their conversation in the elevator, each one is sure that the other will “turn”. If you listen to their dialogue, it turns out that they’re both right.

      • January 6, 2018 at 12:32 am
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        There’s no use discussing with Kent. He’s spent months dissing the film before coming out in full force against it after release. He makes it a point to misspell Rian Johnson’s name because that’s what real fans should do, apparently. Mature and/or rational, he isn’t.

        • January 6, 2018 at 12:43 am
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          You are right on one thing — I had DEEP seated fears about Ruin Johnson (that I did NOT have before any other SW film) —– and could “feel” that Luke was going to be abused, drastically. Which manifested itself 100% in the movie. I was suspicious of Ruin from the start, and he lived down to my expectations, sadly.

        • January 6, 2018 at 12:43 am
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          You are right on one thing — I had DEEP seated fears about Ruin Johnson (that I did NOT have before any other SW film) —– and could “feel” that Luke was going to be abused, drastically. Which manifested itself 100% in the movie. I was suspicious of Ruin from the start, and he lived down to my expectations, sadly.

          • January 6, 2018 at 12:51 am
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            You just don’t realise how silly your extreme feelings about this whole thing – and the incessant need to repeat them – sound, though, do you?

          • January 6, 2018 at 1:51 am
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            I don’t find my spot on ability at predicting Ruin Johnson to be silly at all. In fact, I’m shocked my feelings were so spot on (sans any really spoilers for the film.)

          • January 6, 2018 at 5:27 am
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            He has zero self-awareness. I blocked him ages ago.

      • January 6, 2018 at 2:02 am
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        I have no problem with her parents being nobodies and I have no problem with her being powerful. However it’s one serious problem that she has had no training whatsoever. All jedi without exception have had months & years of training before they can use the Jedi mind trick and move shit loads of stuff around with there minds!! It makes zero sense Rey can do it. I’m praying JJ explains it.

        • January 6, 2018 at 5:27 am
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          “All jedi without exception have had months & years of training before they can use the Jedi mind trick and move shit loads of stuff around with there minds”

          We don’t actually know if *all* Jedi required that, but regardless, Rey’s not a Jedi.

    • January 5, 2018 at 11:37 pm
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      @ weirdo Kent: anakin skywalker was a nobody on tatooine. same story perhaps.

      • January 6, 2018 at 12:19 am
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        LUKE
        No, my father didn’t fight in the
        wars. He was a navigator on a spice
        freighter.

        BEN
        That’s what your uncle told you. He
        didn’t hold with your father’s ideals.
        Thought he should have stayed here
        and not gotten involved.

        LUKE
        You fought in the Clone Wars?

        BEN
        Yes, I was once a Jedi Knight the
        same as your father.

        LUKE
        I wish I’d known him.

        BEN
        He was the best star-pilot in the
        galaxy, and a cunning warrior. I
        understand you’ve become quite a
        good pilot yourself. And he was a
        good friend. Which reminds me…

    • January 5, 2018 at 11:57 pm
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      To explain her use of the force with little to no training I’m in total agreement, she needs to be special. Otherwise just how is she better than Anakin, created by the force, and yet whom needed several years training under Obi-wan.

      • January 6, 2018 at 12:03 am
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        I think she is special in that she is basically the force’s reaction to Kylo Ren’s powerful Skywalker blood, she is the force’s attempt at balance. “Darkness rises and light to meet”

        • January 6, 2018 at 12:04 am
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          That would make sense, quite like that theory.

          • January 6, 2018 at 12:05 am
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            Snoke straight up says this in the throne room.

          • January 6, 2018 at 12:05 am
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            Snoke straight up says this in the throne room.

          • January 6, 2018 at 12:09 am
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            Looking forward to the Blu-ray

          • January 6, 2018 at 12:23 am
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            If you haven’t, you should treat yourself to a second viewing in theater. It was a totally different experience my second time. But I seem to pick up new/different things each time I see it so I’m looking forward to owning it too!

    • January 6, 2018 at 8:23 am
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      This WAS something substantial, because it was a choice that mattered to the character, instead of just a bullshit fan-wank moment. God, who did you want Rey to be? Luke’s daughter? Weird call for you, considering you’re extensively on the record as feeling that Luke is ruined in this movie. It wouldn’t have ruined Luke further to know that he abandoned his only child on a desert planet for decades without even giving her a second thought?

      Grow up and stop name-calling. You made your mind up about this movie months ago. Your opinion has no weight whatsoever.

  • January 5, 2018 at 11:32 pm
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    “I wonder if it was the same question fans made to themselves after watching The Empire Strikes Back about the revelation Vader made to Luke” – It was, people still didn’t believe it three years later.

    The more I think about it the shot of Rey as a little girl being held by Simon Pegg as the ship took off said it all. It may have been JJ’s misunderstanding of how the fans would interpret things like Luke’s lightsaber calling to her, not giving her a surname etc.

  • January 5, 2018 at 11:32 pm
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    I don’t mind her being a nobody but it did rub me the wrong way that they couldn’t have just said that instead of J.J. doing the whole mystery box around it. There shouldn’t have been a “reveal”, just give her a last name that isn’t solo or skywalker who is hung up on finding her parents and I will assume it’s a new character. Even in interviews they could have just clarified. It’s fun to have a little speculation about snoke and such, but when you lead fans on a wild goose chase to guess that the twist is that there is no twist, you can’t be surprised that at least a few fans feel cheated

    • January 5, 2018 at 11:35 pm
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      Exactly the point I just tried to make in my other post – but you made it better.

    • January 6, 2018 at 1:39 am
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      I didn’t feel cheated myself. I found it thought provoking.

    • January 6, 2018 at 3:36 am
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      Sure but it’s a reveal because they want to dramatically surprise the audience in order to reinforce the central theme that our past does not define us. It’s also literally the hardest thing for Rey to hear bc she desperately wants to be a part of the great mythology of the legendary heroes of the past. It crushes her to hear it, just like us. Can’t you just respect the artistic decision made there? It’s a choice, not a mistake. It’s literally the emotional climax of the film, Kylo reaches out his hand and in her lowest shame she somehow resists his offer to give her purpose. I was personally blown away, exactly because I like her hoped she was “special”, and was crushed by the revelation.

  • January 5, 2018 at 11:47 pm
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    That’s great and everything and I’m okay with Rey’s parents being nobodies which wasn’t even that big of a surprise given that most Jedi we met had parents who were nobodies. But why the hell does Rey have to be this nobody who is portrayed like a somebody? If SW was “The Lord of the Rings” she would have the role of Frodo but for some reason fight like Legolas on steroids. I really want them to turn Rey into someone special in IX, a chosen one, not because I can’t live with her being a nobody but because her absurd powers need to be put into context. Whenever I watch TFA and TLJ I can’t help but wonder how the story would have looked like if a character like Ahsoka Tano was in her place. How much more would I be interested in her story when seeing her fail and struggle, a flawed hero who grows and achieves greatness through failing and getting up on her feet time and time again. In the Clone Wars series Ahsoka was nothing but a child but when I saw her again in Rebels I really enjoyed seeing how powerful and wise she had become. It’s a shame that a character in an animated kid’s show can evoke more emotions than Ms. “I’m good at everything but I’m just like you”.

    • January 6, 2018 at 12:47 am
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      Did nobody actually pay attention to the movie? Rey and Luke have a whole conversation about balance within the force…its a main theme of the movie. Rey’s powers are then further explained by Snoke in this movie, “Darkness rises and light to meet (he goes on to say more about how he new someone on the light side would grow strong along with Kylo…Skywalker he wrongly assumed)”. Her unbelievable powers are literally a response to Kylo Ren’s rise in the dark side…using his powerful Skywalker blood for evil. The force has always been inside of her, but it awakens in TFA as a reaction to Kylo Ren. Rian Johnson has described Kylo and Rey as 2 sides of the a coin. Thats probably why the Skywalker lightsaber called to her…so she could balance out the Skywalker blood being used for evil. Especially since Luke had cut himself off completely from the force at that point.

      • January 6, 2018 at 1:00 am
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        Which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Did Luke get superpowers because he was facing Vader and Palpatine who were both more powerful than him? Was Palpatine upgraded to a force god because it was only him and Maul vs 10.000 Jedi?.Darkness rises and light to meet it does not mean that a hero gets a magical powerup. You cannot interpret this statement literally at least not if you don’t want to conflict previous Canon.

        Oh Yoda died,*bading* you gained 300 more forcepoints to even out the score.The force never behaved that way. It didn’t feel the need to balance out 10.000 jedi for over a 1000 years. Rian just makes up shit as he goes along. Luke didn’t win because he got a force powerup so to explain Rey’s forcepower by using this vague Snoke statement might make sense to Rian but not the rest of the canon.

        It’s also ridculously stupid. It takes away all the suspense. No side can ever win because whoever is at a disadvantage gets a powerup and poof wer’re backto where we started. Dark side is getting stronger? Chill Rey’s gonna have another powerup soon. This is not a satisfying explaination.

        • January 6, 2018 at 1:16 am
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          I’m sorry, I was responding to your stated desire of, “I really want them to turn Rey into someone special in IX, a chosen one, not because I can’t live with her being a nobody but because her absurd powers need to be put into context.” Since that is basically what she already is (a chosen one to bring balance to the force) and what I was explaining, I guess that isn’t want you want after all? My bad.

          • January 6, 2018 at 1:24 am
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            I need context because if she is a chosen one ONLY due to the fact that light is weaker than dark which results in a powerup there would be massive problems in continuity. She could be a chosen one by an event in her past or because she had visions of the forc priestesses or there is a nexus of power on jakku which power she absorbed growing up there. She could have absorbed a part of Snoke’s power when he died, she could be wearing a powerful jedi holocron as a necklace which is revealed in IX. All these explainations require neither her parents as the source of power nor a “the force balances out the score” explaination. They wouldn’t contradict canon or TLJ’s explaination for Rey’s parents. I don’t have an issue with Rian’s esoteric approach to the force but it must not contradict previous movies. Anybody, within any timespan can master any forcepower because one side of the force is stronger than the other? Sry Rian but this goes against anything the Canon has taught us so far.

          • January 6, 2018 at 2:02 am
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            Is there canon on how the force would react to having the only 2 regular force users in the galaxy be dark side users? I know we’ve had many Sith and many Jedi, many Jedi and 2 Sith, the Mordis trio, 2 Sith and a handful of Jedi (Yoda, Obi-Wan, Kanan, etc), but I’m drawing a blank on a canon instance of only dark side users.
            I’ve also always been a bit hazy on what exactly balance in the force is, because in the prequels Anakin is supposed to bring balance to the force by destroying the Sith, which he finally does in RotJ, but thats another discussion.
            But whatever, I don’t think you’re ever going to like Rey just being a random person (like most of the Jedi we’ve ever known) who the force picked to counter act the current dark side situation.

          • January 6, 2018 at 2:08 am
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            I’m not aware of a Canon example either but if Rey’s forcepowers react so strongly to a relatively weak Kylo Ren then Luke should have been granted superpowers facing Vader and Palpatine who were both a lot stronger than Kylo. We would also have seen Rey become weaker after Snoke died due to the fact that Kylo did something good and a powerful dark forceuser was taken out of the equation.

          • January 6, 2018 at 2:08 am
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            I’m not aware of a Canon example either but if Rey’s forcepowers react so strongly to a relatively weak Kylo Ren then Luke should have been granted superpowers facing Vader and Palpatine who were both a lot stronger than Kylo. We would also have seen Rey become weaker after Snoke died due to the fact that Kylo did something good and a powerful dark forceuser was taken out of the equation.

          • January 6, 2018 at 2:16 am
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            But when Luke faced Vader and the Emperor, Vader/Anakin was the chosen one who would defeat the Sith and bring balance to the force. Luke didn’t need any more power.

            Kylo killing Snoke wasn’t necessarily “good”, Kylo killing Snoke was Kylo taking more power for himself.

            Rey is the light side to Kylo’s dark side. You don’t have to like it, but I don’t know of any canon it contradicts.

          • January 6, 2018 at 2:25 am
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            If the force already knew that Vader would turn and calculated “a redeemed Vader + Luke = Palpatine” then this would result in predictable storytelling meaning that whenever we see a character not get a force powerup we know that someone will be turned to the opposite side or someone unexpected will show up to assist the side which is at a disadvantage. Also I don’t see how Snoke’s statement and Rian’s statement indicate that only the light side of the force gets powerups. It would also make no sense that the force prefers one side over the other. Why one side of the coin is mor eimportant than the other. Also if the living force only gives good guys powerups and can predict the future than the Jedi could not have fallen. Balance is what the force is looking for and this goes in both ways, light and dark. There’s a fundamental problem with a literal interpretation and Snoke’s statement in Canon if you think about it. For Snoke’s “light to meet dark” to be true in a literal sense the living force would have to be biased and also pretty powerless since it failed to protect the Jedi.

          • January 6, 2018 at 2:25 am
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            If the force already knew that Vader would turn and calculated “a redeemed Vader + Luke = Palpatine” then this would result in predictable storytelling meaning that whenever we see a character not get a force powerup we know that someone will be turned to the opposite side or someone unexpected will show up to assist the side which is at a disadvantage. Also I don’t see how Snoke’s statement and Rian’s statement indicate that only the light side of the force gets powerups. It would also make no sense that the force prefers one side over the other. Why one side of the coin is mor eimportant than the other. Also if the living force only gives good guys powerups and can predict the future than the Jedi could not have fallen. Balance is what the force is looking for and this goes in both ways, light and dark. There’s a fundamental problem with a literal interpretation and Snoke’s statement in Canon if you think about it. For Snoke’s “light to meet dark” to be true in a literal sense the living force would have to be biased and also pretty powerless since it failed to protect the Jedi.

        • January 6, 2018 at 1:50 am
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          SLAY

        • January 6, 2018 at 3:29 am
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          She is more advanced than Luke at this stage, but why is that so crazy? And Did you not see Snoke toy with her? Her powers were no match for him, not even close, so she’s literally demonstrated to not be overpowered. Yes, she learned mind control quickly, give you that, but her lightsaber technique is not advanced, no backflips no force push, no force jumps. At the end of this film she for the fitst time truly harnesses her power but she has a long way to go still . Shes only ever fought a severely injured Kylo and the red guards were not force users. Still one almost beat her while Kylo handled three at once. Stop it already. It’s ok for the hero of a movie to be a prodigy, but they have also balanced it out sufficiently. She still has a fascinating arc in the film.

          • January 6, 2018 at 3:46 am
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            Look at where Luke was in TFA after 2 years of knowing about the force. How he trained hard under the supervision of Yoda who had trained Jedi for 900 years. How he had troubles moving a little stone while Rey moves a landslide of saltstones on Crait with ease. Rey defeated Kylo again. She left in Snoke’s shuttle with both parts of the lightsaber, while he was unconscious. Again. She could have killed him rigth there like she could have on Starkiller base. So in a fight where Kylo is constantly losing Rey gets even more powerful?

          • January 6, 2018 at 3:19 pm
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            She is supposed to be weaker than Snoke! That doesn’t meant that she is a prodigy for no reasonw hich is also untypical for a heroes journey. They struggle, they fail, they grow. Rey never struggles. Even in TLJ KYlo did not stand a chance vs her. SHe took the sword, spared his live since he was unconscious stole Snoke’s ship and saved the day on Crait. Am I supposed to be thrilled where she kicks Kylo’s butt again? For the third freaking time!

          • January 6, 2018 at 6:39 pm
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            That is indeed a massive, MASSIVE problem Johnson has left for Abrams. How is that final confrontation supposed to carry any weight when we’ve seen Rey best Kylo again and again?

  • January 6, 2018 at 12:23 am
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    Can someone explain to me why this is a “bad movie”?

    Explain to me this is a bad movie because of X, Y, & Z.

    Not because: Rey is a Mary Sue with no lineage, they killed off Snoke, They ruined light speed, Holdo is a worthless Character and so is Rose, I’m sick of this SJW feminst crap, and they ruined Luke Skywalker.

    10 years from now, try explaining your problems about this movie to a 9 year old. See where that gets you.

    I can tell you Attack of the clones is not a good movie because:
    The editing is terrible. The movie is slow and plodding, and there is not much kinetic energy to the cuts. There is also continuity issues, particularly during the Geonosis asteroid scene.
    The who tried to kill Padme mystery is terribly written. Padme knows who tried to kill her, and sure it enough Count Dooku had something to do with it.
    The love story makes little to no sense, there is no chemistry between either of these people, and she hot for him after he tells he just slaughtered a bunch of sand people. What?

    • January 6, 2018 at 2:36 am
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      I agree with your complaints listed for both movies, dont let anyone that you have to like one to dislike the other.
      But just to tighten up your complaints a little – Rey is a MarySue because she has no character flaws, therefore can have no development, no crushing defeats followed by uplifting victories.
      The storytellers have failed her character, see more by Joseph Cambell – The Heroes Journey for more

      • January 6, 2018 at 5:19 am
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        “no crushing defeats”

        Heroes don’t have to get the shit beaten out of them to have flaws, that’s an extremely basic way of thinking. Rey fails to turn Bern to the Dark side, and that’s not only a personal loss (cause no she can’t have an emo boyfriend), it’s also one that will spell continued subjugation of the galaxy by the First Order.

    • January 6, 2018 at 3:14 am
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      It’s sad to find out that the great part of SW fans that commment insistently are just retarded. The reasons they don’t like the movie are the most retarded anyone can imagine. it’s like “I paid for Mcdonnald’s, so give me Mcdonnal’s”) They are definitley not nerds, nor genius like Big Bang theory wants to sell.

  • January 6, 2018 at 12:46 am
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    I just think it’s odd that fans continually want to compare Rey’s Force abilities with Luke’s in the OT. Yes, he was a Skywalker, but I don’t remember anyone in those movies ever stating he was some super powerful, incredibly gifted Force user. In fact compared to most of the Jedi in the prequels he didn’t seem very impressive at all!

    So I see nothing wrong with Rey starting out with a bit more innate ability than he did, especially after all the years fending for herself on an inhospitable desert planet. Not to mention she was on the retreat during most of her battle against an injured Kylo anyway in TFA.

  • January 6, 2018 at 1:08 am
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    I still wish she had been a Skywalker. They’re making the next trilogy without Skywalkers. This is the Skywalker saga. Sure, Ben Solo has Skywalker blood, but it looks like the only ‘Skywalker’ remaining will be a half-delusional maniac. Not the way one would want to see the conclusion of the Skywalker family’s contribution to the galaxy.

    • January 6, 2018 at 1:13 am
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      There is no contribution. Anyone is now special, remember? Max Rebo’s nephew could suddenly discover he is a force-sensitive. After sparring with a rock for a couple of days he would be ready to lift a whole landslide of rocks and defeat evil.

      • January 6, 2018 at 1:39 am
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        “Anyone is now special, remember?”

        Poe, Finn, Rose are Force Sensitive?

        The message of TLJ is “you don’t need Skywalker blood to be force sensitive or strong with the Force”, and there’s nothing new with that: in the OT, prequels and EU whe have powerful force sentive that are not Skywalkers.

        • January 6, 2018 at 1:42 am
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          Poe is implied to be a forcesensitive which result in his supernatural piloting skills (in the comics this is explained pretty well). As or the rest. Who knows? Why not? Maybe in IX. Isn’t this the message of TLJ. Rey isn’t special so why should her powers not awaken in someone else. That’s what you get if you turn the rules upside down.

          • January 6, 2018 at 1:49 am
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            Can the Falthiers be force sensitive too? Don’t want to leave out animals in the new canon.

          • January 6, 2018 at 2:02 am
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            Absolutely! In fact Porgs can’t fly which is quite clear when looking at their ridiculously tiny wings. They use the force to push themselves constantly off the ground, a technique adapted by Leia to survive in space 🙂

          • January 6, 2018 at 2:18 am
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            You KILLED ME DEAD LOL

          • January 6, 2018 at 5:16 am
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            What rules? That you have to be Skywalker to be powerful? Ever heard of Yoda and Darth Sidious? They’re not Skywalkers, dude.

          • January 6, 2018 at 5:16 am
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            What rules? That you have to be Skywalker to be powerful? Ever heard of Yoda and Darth Sidious? They’re not Skywalkers, dude.

          • January 6, 2018 at 3:12 pm
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            No that you need to have training, quite possibly assisted by some mentor. A family tree with a long history of using the force does help as well. In TLJ we learn that force works randomly. No training, no mentor, no family members or friends are needed to guide you towards the force.

      • January 6, 2018 at 1:48 am
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        SLAY

  • January 6, 2018 at 1:15 am
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    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5e425ef4041ecb280ead4104a5abfc04b636db9966e43fcdc57bcb9aacbf5128.jpg

    Matt Martin of the Lucasfilm Story Group:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6fa1e65b5d01a7c0bf7fa0612aed21da6ce3e27877632bc80c69d01de3e9d6bf.jpg

    Ben counts as a Skywalker, he has Skywalker blood, it’s because he’s the grandson of Anakin that he’s force sensitive, Episodes 7,8,9 are still the story of the Skywalkers because he’s in it, oh and Rey can become part of the Skywalker family just like Padmé and Han: by making childrens with Ben.

    • January 6, 2018 at 1:20 am
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      I repeat. It would have been better had Rey been a Skywalker. They could have brought in Mara Jade as a background character (flashback) and explain her death, etc. I still really enjoyed TLJ. However, I am disappointed about Rey’s lineage. But, I understand it’s their vision, not mine.

    • January 6, 2018 at 1:57 am
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      Yeah seen that. When Luke says that the Jedi’s Legacy is rooted in failure, it’s not hard to understand why.

  • January 6, 2018 at 1:54 am
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    I disagree. Star Wars saga is a story about Skywalker familly. What is the point of having Rey in these movies if she is not a Skywalker. They can make spin-off movies about ”No ones”, but leave star wars saga to Skywalker familly. Rey as ”No one” destroys everything in first 6 movies. First 6 movies now make no sense.

    • January 6, 2018 at 1:58 am
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      So spot on and 100% accurate.

    • January 6, 2018 at 2:48 am
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      SW makes no sense. The old trilogy makes no sense at all, if you submit it to this crazy internet scrutinitty today, the old trilogy would be destroyed. Ben hide, Yoda
      hide, Ben died for nothing, Luke not even started to train, ATST make no sense, Hoth battle, no sense, Death star can’t be destroied, r2d2 being bought EXACTLY by luke, in te entire planet?????? talk about coincidence. I could go on forever.

    • January 6, 2018 at 6:37 pm
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      How many generations of these people going through the same shit do we really need?

  • January 6, 2018 at 1:58 am
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    TFA purposely made Rey’s heritage a mystery. Then they continued to play into that mystery the last 2 years. Combine that with all the secrecy and the campaign against spoilers for TLJ and now you have a public expecting some great reveal. But, there wasn’t. Her parents were nobody. Throw in the mystery and lack of story surrounding Snoke and you now have a lot of ticked off fans. The reason her parents are/were a big deal is because that’s how they set it up.

    • January 6, 2018 at 1:59 am
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      SLAY.

    • January 6, 2018 at 1:59 am
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      SLAY.

    • January 6, 2018 at 2:03 am
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      Or, people chose to see only what they wanted to see, insert your family of choice -Skywalker, Solo, Kenobi, Palpatine.

      • January 6, 2018 at 2:23 am
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        Not at all. In one of the first interviews given by KK & Daisy even before TFA came out they were asked why Rey had no last name and who were her parents. They smiled and refused to answer. Daisy eventual said the one thing she could say was that Rey was SOLitary. She emphasised the SOL leading some to think she was a Solo. Why do that when there is no point to it! Anyway my problem isn’t so much her linage but what she can do with no training. All Jedi have had to be trained to use the force. She hasn’t.

        • January 6, 2018 at 2:32 am
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          Kathleen Kennedy also said before the movie’s release, that The Force Awakens deals with orphans.

          Maybe Daisy Ridley was just having a little fun. Has been known to happen.

          • January 6, 2018 at 3:36 am
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            Quite possibly but pretty stupid when they must have know the shit storm of speculation it would cause! Anyway it wasn’t the only thing said to cause speculation. Still doesn’t explain why they couldn’t have just said from the start Reys last name is “such n such” and her parents are no one special!

          • January 6, 2018 at 3:52 am
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            Rey’s family and her desire to find them is her big vulnerability in the story so far and is important to her character’s arc and therefore important for the viewer in understanding her motivations.

            In TFA she wants nothing to do with the saber and just wants to go home to wait for her family. In TLJ, she wants to be trained by Luke but she also seeks out the darkness in the island in the hope that it will show her parents. The failure in that leads her to increasingly open up to Kylo and finally let go of the thing holding her back so she can move forward and become the next Jedi.

      • January 6, 2018 at 3:34 am
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        Even if you didn’t have a theory you were vested in they still made it a mystery. The most glaring example is Maz asking Han “who’s the girl?” then cutting away. Even with the complaints I have with TLJ I still love Star Wars and I’ll see Solo. However, I will say there are some cracks in my fandom’s foundation that could cause me to move on in the future. It’s not just this movie but the entire franchise is starting to feel different for me. Maybe I should let the past die like Kylo says.

        • January 6, 2018 at 3:40 am
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          JJ Abrams can’t help himself with the mystery. And while Maz said that, she also told Rey that the belonging she seeks isn’t behind her (the search/waiting for her family), but ahead (finding Luke/becoming a Jedi).

    • January 6, 2018 at 2:30 am
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      I chalk it all up to lazy, sloppy writing. The writers simply didn’t care enough to do things the right way.

      • January 6, 2018 at 2:36 am
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        Let’s call the spade the spade —- its Ruin Johnson’s fault.

        • January 6, 2018 at 6:36 pm
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          It’s your own fault for not liking it because you decided to hate it even before you saw it. It didn’t match the movie in your mind that you had already constructed, so you saw it with a completely closed mind and had no chance of liking it.

      • January 6, 2018 at 5:13 am
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        And what is this “right way”, since you seem blessed with the easy knowledge of it?

      • January 7, 2018 at 6:37 pm
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        They totally did.

    • January 6, 2018 at 2:48 am
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      Many of the surprises in TLJ (not all of them but too many for my taste) felt like this.

      A: Whoa dude you’re getting an awesome present for your next birthday. You won’t see it coming I promise! You’ve never got something this surprising before I swear!
      B: Yay, I can’t wait!

      *spongebob narrator voice*
      One.. Year.. Later

      A: C’mon dude open up your present.
      B: I can’t wait to see it, you’ve been talking about my surprise nonstop since my last birthday… Oh… It’s a dead fish.
      A: Didn’t see that coming did you?
      B: No but, uhm…
      A: Hah, I knew it would surprise you. No need to thank me!

    • January 6, 2018 at 3:48 am
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      “The reason her parents are/were a big deal is because that’s how they set it up.”

      “They” didn’t set anything up. We didn’t know Rey’s parents in TFA. She mentions them once or twice. That’s it. The a large segment of fandom went nuts over the last couple of years theorizing about whose daughter she was, that’s on them.

      • January 6, 2018 at 11:49 pm
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        Sorry I disagree. Her family and her past is a mystery. Maz even asks Han about it. The fact she even mentions her parents once or twice leads viewers to wonder about her family. She was not given a last name and J.J. said that was on purpose prior to TFA coming out. People left TFA wondering who she was. You point out that a large number of fandom went nuts theorizing about it. Why would they do that if it didn’t seem important? I stand by my original post that the combination of mystery and expectations led to a lot of ticked off fans.

        • January 7, 2018 at 2:13 am
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          “People left TFA wondering who she was.”

          Of course they did. In fact, much of what you said is true. But none of that was any sort of promise that Rey was going to be related to an already established character. Was Rey’s origin a mystery? Sure was. Was the mystery solved? Apparently so.

          People wanted to know Rey’s origins. And if we can take Ben’s information as true, people got what they wanted. Having Rey come from a humble background is just as much a revelation as if she was Luke’s daughter. Maybe you don’t think so, but plenty of folks do.

          I think this movie suffers from a deluge of disappointment from folks that wrote the movie in their head, then headed to the theaters with some half-cocked idea that what they’ll see on screen will match that. We see this time and again here. “This movie will be good only if ___” – “I’ll hate this movie if this, this, and this happens.” – “I wanted __ to happen and it didn’t so I hate the movie.” It’s an incredibly embarrassing and unsophisticated way to talk about art.

    • January 6, 2018 at 5:13 am
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      A big deal…to her. Maz flat-out says “your parents aren’t coming back so get tf over it” (paraphrasing). Rey’s parents matter *to her*, because she thinks that if they’re someone important that she’ll find her place in life, but she doesn’t get that satisfaction, just as the audience doesn’t.

    • January 6, 2018 at 8:16 am
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      “Whoever you’re waiting for…they’re never coming back.”

      TFA was very clear that Rey’s parents were not important. Her ENTIRE ARC in that film is moving towards letting go of her past and stepping into the future, instead of waiting around for someone who doesn’t matter. This is the text of the film. Whatever fans added to that, it’s their problem.

    • January 6, 2018 at 4:12 pm
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      Have you tried rewatching the film itself? Their identity really isn’t important or set up as a mystery to be solved.

      • January 6, 2018 at 11:51 pm
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        Really? Have you? Seems like Kylo and Rey mentioned it a few times.

        • January 7, 2018 at 12:15 am
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          I have actually. The most Kylo does is ask who she is (“What girl?”). Rey mentions them a couple of times but only as people whom she’s waiting for. The conversation with Maz makes it pretty clear that the waiting is futile as they weren’t coming back and her future lay with Han and Luke. Her parents’ identities are immaterial.

    • January 6, 2018 at 5:49 pm
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      “Then they continued to play into that mystery the last 2 years.”

      How? I don’t recall any marketing or publicity that played on the mystery of her parents. That was mostly carried by fan chatter. Lucasfilm isn’t responsible or held to crafting their movies around our online conversations.

      “Combine that with all the secrecy and the campaign against spoilers for TLJ and now you have a public expecting some great reveal.”

      Most big movies like this have heavy security to guard against leaks. I’m not sure this applies to some supposed big reveal about Rey’s parents. You’re sort of talking about two different things here.

      “Throw in the mystery and lack of story surrounding Snoke and you now have a lot of ticked off fans.”

      There were going to be a lot of ticked off fans regardless. Lucuasfilm know this is going to happen, so I’d imagine they largely disregard it.

      I’m sure you’ll get a story about Snoke in a book or comic or through some other medium. We don’t learn but about him in the films because…well…he’s not all that important. I always figured Snoke was some sort of powerful Force user that was run to dark after coming up against Plageueis or Sidious. Galaxies are very large places and there is a lot of room for enigmatic, powerful beings. So, Snoke hightails it to the unkown regions and lays low for a few decades. Eventually, the remnants of the Empire land in his lap and he takes advantage of the power vacuum. Interesting, perhaps, but not critical to the story. Ben was tempted away from the light by this fella and that’s where we pick up. Essentially, I see Snoke’s role being nothing more than to provide an empty throne to tempt Ben. When Ben kills Snoke, he has the chance to begin a road toward possible redemption. He chooses not to. With Snoke dead, this choice is all on him. There is no Big Bad whispering in his ear. It make his choice all that more powerful…and tragic. He operates much the same way as I saw Darth Maul. Maul was there simply to provide a job opportunity, so to speak, for Anakin. Power vacancies can be powerful, compelling things. Snoke took advantage of one (I’d imagine) and provided the chance for Ben to take advantage of one.

  • January 6, 2018 at 2:19 am
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    Here we have yet another sequel trilogy plot point that requires an explanation.

    Ask yourself, did you need an explanation as to why Han came back to save the day at the end of Star Wars?

    What about Vader playing coy with the Emperor when Palpatine first mentioned the son of Skywalker?

    No, you didn’t need an explanation. You didn’t need the Pablo Hildago’s of the world to write an article telling you why these things happened.

    All you needed was to watch the ****ing movie – period. Because the exposition in the original trilogy was fantastic. In the sequel trilogy however, it’s third tier b-movie shit.

    • January 6, 2018 at 2:26 am
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      Right — when a film requires 12 viewings, the visual dictionary, and constant tweets from Pablo in order to “JUSTIFY & LIKE” it, something is very very wrong.

      • January 6, 2018 at 5:55 am
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        What do you think would have happened if there was twitter in 1980 or if Star Wars was as big as it is now?

        • January 6, 2018 at 6:38 pm
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          Kent would’ve hated it because they killed off the great hero Obi Wan in Episode IV. Forget about establishing Luke. We need to see the 65-year old man kick ass for three movies.

        • January 6, 2018 at 6:38 pm
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          Kent would’ve hated it because they killed off the great hero Obi Wan in Episode IV. Forget about establishing Luke. We need to see the 65-year old man kick ass for three movies.

    • January 6, 2018 at 2:43 am
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      Well does not help that people make shit up in their head either, and then they rage because the movie did not coincide with the shit they made up in their head

      • January 6, 2018 at 6:13 am
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        if they don’t want fans to speculate, don’t beat people over the head relentlessly with mystery characters. its not the fans fault for caring about what the movies set up.

    • January 6, 2018 at 3:07 am
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      That’s because, when fans of SW were kids, they didn’t care “who’s Yoda father”, “how there is gravity inside an asteroid with a worm?”, “who is the emperor, why is he so powerfull”, “why land ATST so far from the base”, ” how, in the entire planet, R2D2 was bought exactly by Luke?” and ” if Falcon was being tracked, why did it go to the rebel’s planet, instead of meeting the fleet is space?” OT makes no sense at all

    • January 6, 2018 at 5:11 am
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      You don’t actually need an explanation for any of the crap people are whinging about. The reason that this pot point needs “explanation” is that Star Wars fans have become so spoiled with over-explanation and needless detail that they can’t enjoy a fucking movie without picking it apart and remaining willfully dissatisfied. It’s not fun.

    • January 6, 2018 at 5:52 am
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      If you need it that’s fine, I don’t, most people don’t. I got everything out of my first viewing.

    • January 6, 2018 at 6:33 pm
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      B-movie shit?

      And yet you think the prequels are good?

      HAHAHAHAHAHA!

      We didn’t need those explanations then because the Star Wars fanbase consisted of teenagers and children, not 40-year-old cynical a-holes.

    • January 7, 2018 at 6:38 pm
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      It requires no explanation. But little manbabies are mad their theory wasn’t right.

  • January 6, 2018 at 2:28 am
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    Every other article on this website is a damage control article. If this film is so great why the constant reminders, this is an echo chamber for people who liked it!
    Ruin told the story and now Disney is stuck with it, no going back because it blew up in their faces.

    • January 6, 2018 at 2:32 am
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      Damage control.
      That’s exactly what these articles/tweets are attempting to do.
      Alas though, there’s no putting that genie back in the bottle.
      Aint that right, Crixxxx?

      • January 6, 2018 at 6:32 pm
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        One more reason to love the Last Jedi is that it pissed off ass hats like you. We got the movie we wanted, you get to be miserable. Go back to watching Jar Jar Binks, stilted romance, idiotic unlikable characters and boring ass politics in the Star Wars movies you consider to be good.

    • January 6, 2018 at 5:09 am
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      So having an opinion that differs from yours is damage control? How do you figure that?

    • January 6, 2018 at 3:20 pm
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      I don’t call it damage control, I call it lunatic psicotherapy. No story needs so much explanation

  • January 6, 2018 at 2:37 am
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    Up next: Why Leia flying through space wasn’t the moment when Star Wars jumped the shark.

    • January 6, 2018 at 2:38 am
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      That will be some excuse for sure

    • January 6, 2018 at 2:40 am
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      there’s no gravity in space, so fly is the only thing anyone can do in space.

      • January 6, 2018 at 2:42 am
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        What I was interested to see is how they got her back into the spaceship. I mean the door she knocked at led directly into a hallway. Wouldn’t they all have been sucked out into space. I dunno, why they included this scene instead of letting her gracefully die is beyond me. Also how come the Raddus didn’t just fly past her given that Leia was sucked out of the spaceship at a relative speed and direction? So much confusion for nothing.

        • January 6, 2018 at 3:01 am
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          The same way Han and Leia get out of the Milenium Falcon inside a hollow worm in an asteroid –and the asteroid had gravity as well.

          • January 6, 2018 at 3:12 am
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            Any mass has gravity. If the asteroid has enough mass it has enough gravity to result conditions similar to earth. Not as strong as shown in the movie but still. Additionally the worm provided a closed system while Leia in TLJ did not have a closed system. Just think of how a balloon behaves in a moving car with closed windows and what happens if you push it out of the window. The worm is a closed system. There is no reason for the Falcon to move relative to it? And most importantly just because it happend in the OT doesn’t mean it’s not silly in TLJ. It was silly in TLJ and the OT?

          • January 6, 2018 at 3:17 pm
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            The worm is a closed system? IT HAS A HUGE MOUTH, Maybe the space worm kept the mouth shut so that you could win the discussion

          • January 6, 2018 at 3:29 pm
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            Okay please tell me why the Falcon would have moved at a relative speed to the worm in the asteroid. Please give me one reason why. Maybe you’re bad at physics and don’t know what a clsoed system is but the Falcon did not move relatively to the asteroid. Do spacecrafts which land on the moon get blown away somehow? We see Leia get sucked out of the Raddus faster than the spaceship which means she moves at a relative speed to it. It’s also hard to beleive that she was sucked out at exactly the same angle the raddus was moving which would lead to her floating away from the Raddus rather quickly. I don’t understand how this sis so hard to see, especially given that the Raddus travels at thousands of mph.

          • January 6, 2018 at 3:38 am
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            Because it is FANTASY; Star Wars has never needed to have scientific explanations for things. It bothers me how quickly people travel through hyperspace and that the X-Wings in ANH don’t get caught in the Death Star’s tractor beam like the Falcon did, but I’m not going to overthink it.

            Would it have been a more enjoyable viewing experience if a character delivered a line with an explanation about an emergency gravity field? *eyeroll*

            Its like people don’t want to like TLJ.

        • January 6, 2018 at 4:21 am
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          “I dunno, why they included this scene instead of letting her gracefully die is beyond me”

          Because she had a bigger role lined up in 9 and because the RT score would have been 10% if the siblings didn’t reunite in some way on screen.

          If they knew CF was going to die after wrapping principle photography, I’m sure they would have found a way to let her die there or in Holdo’s place…or something dramatic.

          • January 6, 2018 at 3:16 pm
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            And they could just have adapted to her death and change IX which wasn’t even planned out at that time? Yeah, makes sense. Now we get an opening crawl death. Apparently this is what KK thinks is an emoitionald eath for Leia.

    • January 8, 2018 at 12:22 pm
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      Long story short, ‘Star Wars’ has always been closer to science fantasy than science fiction.

      Additionally, it’s not the weirdest thing the Force has enabled people to do in the ‘Star Wars’ canon as envisaged by George Lucas. See the Mortis trilogy and Yoda’s final episode in ‘The Clone Wars’.

  • January 6, 2018 at 2:37 am
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    About SW, I only care about commentaries of Geoge Lucas’ relatives,– specially if they are unknown George Lucas’ son or daughters –. The rest has no right to talk about SW

  • January 6, 2018 at 2:41 am
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    As someone much wiser once noted, it is an imaginary story. They all are.

  • January 6, 2018 at 2:41 am
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    As someone much wiser once noted, it is an imaginary story. They all are.

  • January 6, 2018 at 2:44 am
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    They just better find a convincing way to explain her incredible power…

    • January 6, 2018 at 2:55 am
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      Why do you believe in the incredible power of Yoda? or Obi Wan? or the incredible power of Sauron?

      • January 6, 2018 at 2:57 am
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        Ok I’ll try here
        Yoda and Sauron had hundreds of years to fully train and develop their powers.
        Total time passed during Force Awakens and Last Jedi is what 5 days?

      • January 6, 2018 at 10:33 am
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        How do you know that you can manipulate minds if NO ONE has shown you that it can be done? Yoda and Obi-Wan were both trained. Luke has seen Obi-Wan do that to those stormtroopers. What about Rey? She couldn’t know that. And it doesn’t make sense AT ALL.

        My theory is that she’s seen that in Kylo Ren’s mind in TFA. But come on..

        Edit. I would also like to add that when you write a fantasy you can set whatever set of rules you want to explain how your world works. Likewise, when you first present a character (e.g. Sauron) you can give it whatever features you like. But then, you should stick to them, otherwise you confuse your audience. Same goes for continuity. If you established that you need training to become a Jedi, you either give a new character training, or give a reason why it doesn’t need that.

    • January 6, 2018 at 5:08 am
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      She’s strong with the force, because someone needs to be around to fight the Darkness. The end.

  • January 6, 2018 at 2:51 am
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    The funniest thing is that if OT were submitted to these lunactic scrutinity, it would be destroyed much easily. So many IMMENSE coincidences in the universe. R2D2 being bought EXACTLY by Luke? ATST make no sense. Yoda and Ben are cowards. Ben died in vain, Luke didn’t even begin to train, I could go on forever. Where do this lunacy come from? No story survive to this, from Snow White, to Gone with the Wind, neither Sherlock Holmes, nor Jaws, ET, Dracula, Lord of the rings (no sense at all) — no story survives to this lunactic scrutinity .

    • January 6, 2018 at 2:53 am
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      you should write for Leno

    • January 6, 2018 at 2:53 am
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      Back then they didn’t even know if they would be able to finance two, let alone three SW movies which showed in form of inconsistencies. They also didn’t have the money to hire a storygroup who get paid for making coherent story-lines.

      • January 6, 2018 at 5:49 am
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        That doesn’t explain the fact that ROTJ is basically two different movies crammed into one because they had to answer all the questions left in ESB and at the same time give a satisfying conclusion to the trilogy.

      • January 6, 2018 at 5:49 am
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        That doesn’t explain the fact that ROTJ is basically two different movies crammed into one because they had to answer all the questions left in ESB and at the same time give a satisfying conclusion to the trilogy.

        • January 6, 2018 at 2:42 pm
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          At least they had plotlines that needed to be finished. The same cannot be said about IX which could play 2 days after TLJ or 20 years later.

          • January 6, 2018 at 8:23 pm
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            So a movie is only interesting is if it has a ton of cliffhanger questions to answer? Wouldn’t that mean that Star Wars: A New Hope is the least interesting Star Wars films of all time?

          • January 6, 2018 at 11:51 pm
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            If it is a trilogy then yes. That’s the whole point. ANH had no cliffhanger because they didn’t know if they would ever get to shoot ESB.

          • January 7, 2018 at 1:03 am
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            But that doesn’t make it a bad film, does it? If there’s an arc (like destroying the First Oder/Empire) and you want to see more adventures with the characters you love, that’s enough to justify a sequel, in my opinion.

          • January 7, 2018 at 4:39 am
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            I have said this time and time again. Tlj is a good movie but a terriblby disjointed sequel and a pretty boring setup for IX. This is not Indiana Jones or James Bond or Transformers where everysthing resets to zero after each movie. The chaotic production without a uniform vision on how to move forward is painfully showing. They have anthology movies and standalones if they want to to standalone mvoies. That’s the whole point. But the saga films have always been like Harry Potter or Lord of The Rings. The OT had a basic outline for 3 to 4 movies when they didn’t even know if ANH would be succesful or not. Now Disney, the wealthiest entertainment company in the world with a designated storyteam manages to carefully plan out comics and videogames and what not but they can do a decent buildup to the main TRILOGIE, it’s ridiculous. IX could play years after TLJ oronly days. This is how bad the buildup is. There is no objective, no goal, no ultimate evil that needs to be defeated. Rey has never struggled, she has never been an a**hole in need of making things right, she hasn’t been defeated a single time by Kylo. The big bad guy in IX is down 2:0 versus the good gal. He is now Supreme leader. Should I be impressed by this? How exactly is he any different than he was after TFA? In contrast to the title “Darth” we know almost nothing about the supreme leader or the FO so who cares? After he killed Solo people said: Uh, now Kylo is truly evil. After TLJ they said the same thing again. If TLJ was the finale of the trilogy succeding a sequel that explained the questions TFA´left us with then TLJ would have been quite amazing. BUt as it is TLJ stole the epic conclusion that should have been in IX and made TFA retroactively worse because Rian just couldn’t wait to do his own thing in his own trilogy. The only thing I’m interested in are the Knights of Ren. If it turns out that they didn’t show up in TLJ because they were busy doing their own evil thing then I will be happy. If Kylo killed Snoke to turn the FO into a tool to be used by the Knights of Ren then Snoke’s death and Kylo being the Supreme leader would make sense. But who knows if we are even going to see them again.

          • January 7, 2018 at 6:42 am
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            “The OT had a basic outline for 3 to 4 movies when they didn’t even know if ANH would be succesful or not. ”

            …which is why George Lucas made up the twists for Darth Vader and Leia being related to Luke as he went along.

            “There is no objective, no goal, no ultimate evil that needs to be defeated.”

            They’re called the First Order, and if you didn’t notice, they kind of control a lot of the galaxy and need to be stopped. As for you saying that IX could take place any number of days or years after TLJ, that was true for literally all Star wars films after Episode IV. Not knowing EXACTLY when the sequel will take place is not a valid criticism, nor has it ever been.

            “Rey has never struggled, she has never been an a**hole in need of making things right”

            She struggles to stay away from the Dark Side, and she fails to turn Kylo Ren to the light. There’s a whole scene dedicated to how she thinks she’s gonna turn him and then the rug gets pulled out from under her.

            “The big bad guy in IX is down 2:0 versus the good gal.”

            They’ve only fought against each other once.

            “Should I be impressed by this? How exactly is he any different than he was after TFA?”

            You should be impressed because he actually overthrew his master, something which Vader didn’t do until his son pushed him to do it. He’s done emulating Darth Vader or trying to please Snoke; he’s going to leave it all behind and blaze his own trail.

            ” In contrast to the title “Darth” we know almost nothing about the supreme leader or the FO so who cares?”

            We know as much about the title of supreme leader and the FO as we did about the title of emperor and the Empire in the original trilogy. Kylo has usurped the ultimate power to rule the most oppressive force in the galaxy. That’s all that matters.

            “BUt as it is TLJ stole the epic conclusion that should have been in IX”

            It clearly didi not, as the First Order has yet to be defeated, and the Resistance has yet to grow beyond one ship’s worth of people.

            “The only thing I’m interested in are the Knights of Ren.”

            Well they were a throwaway line in TFA, so don’t hold your breath. You know how we had to wait 16 years to find out what “Dark Lord of the Sith” meant? It’s like that.

            “If Kylo killed Snoke to turn the FO into a tool to be used by the Knights of Ren then Snoke’s death and Kylo being the Supreme leader would make sense.”

            It already makes sense. Kylo was done dealing with Snoke’s shit, and he says as much; the film even has a scene where Snoke is telling Kylo off and Kylo is clearly pissed. No one should have to spell out his motivations for you.

          • January 7, 2018 at 6:42 am
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            “The OT had a basic outline for 3 to 4 movies when they didn’t even know if ANH would be succesful or not. ”

            …which is why George Lucas made up the twists for Darth Vader and Leia being related to Luke as he went along.

            “There is no objective, no goal, no ultimate evil that needs to be defeated.”

            They’re called the First Order, and if you didn’t notice, they kind of control a lot of the galaxy and need to be stopped. As for you saying that IX could take place any number of days or years after TLJ, that was true for literally all Star wars films after Episode IV. Not knowing EXACTLY when the sequel will take place is not a valid criticism, nor has it ever been.

            “Rey has never struggled, she has never been an a**hole in need of making things right”

            She struggles to stay away from the Dark Side, and she fails to turn Kylo Ren to the light. There’s a whole scene dedicated to how she thinks she’s gonna turn him and then the rug gets pulled out from under her.

            “The big bad guy in IX is down 2:0 versus the good gal.”

            They’ve only fought against each other once.

            “Should I be impressed by this? How exactly is he any different than he was after TFA?”

            You should be impressed because he actually overthrew his master, something which Vader didn’t do until his son pushed him to do it. He’s done emulating Darth Vader or trying to please Snoke; he’s going to leave it all behind and blaze his own trail.

            ” In contrast to the title “Darth” we know almost nothing about the supreme leader or the FO so who cares?”

            We know as much about the title of supreme leader and the FO as we did about the title of emperor and the Empire in the original trilogy. Kylo has usurped the ultimate power to rule the most oppressive force in the galaxy. That’s all that matters.

            “BUt as it is TLJ stole the epic conclusion that should have been in IX”

            It clearly didi not, as the First Order has yet to be defeated, and the Resistance has yet to grow beyond one ship’s worth of people.

            “The only thing I’m interested in are the Knights of Ren.”

            Well they were a throwaway line in TFA, so don’t hold your breath. You know how we had to wait 16 years to find out what “Dark Lord of the Sith” meant? It’s like that.

            “If Kylo killed Snoke to turn the FO into a tool to be used by the Knights of Ren then Snoke’s death and Kylo being the Supreme leader would make sense.”

            It already makes sense. Kylo was done dealing with Snoke’s shit, and he says as much; the film even has a scene where Snoke is telling Kylo off and Kylo is clearly pissed. No one should have to spell out his motivations for you.

          • January 7, 2018 at 4:12 pm
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            Look the divide among the fanbase makes it quite clear that many people are not happy with TLJ. Now that it has been released in China where it had a worse start then R1 TLJ will turn out as a flop speaking in Star Wars terms- THe criticisms I borught might not all be valid to you but they are too many people and they could have been avoided rather easily if this trilogy had been planned out more carefully. It is a waste of potential and leads to confusion. There are moments in TFA that feel disjointed from TLJ and they get more and more obvious every time you watch it. THe forceback was treated like this big event in TFA for example. It showed us the Knights of Ren, the ship with Rey’s parents leaving Jakku, a hallway in Bespin (?!) and all of this because the lightsaber called to Rey. We btw still don’t know where the saber came from. Watching this scene infuriates me since there are no answers to them in TLJ. JJ clearly intended these scences to have some meaning but Rian didn’t care: He had a good story in mind but it wasn’t his time to ignore the past AND simultaneously take characters out of the equation that had so much potentzial for the future. I know you don’t agree with this on me but if you have 4 minutes to watch a pretty neat animation you might want to watch this video of a Rian Johnson and Star Wars fanboy and why he was ultimately dissapointed by TLJ. It also sums up pretty much my oppinion 100% and why I hope for JJ to do some course correction and finish what he started in TFA since Rian obviously didn’t care.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM1GyLLmx-E

          • January 7, 2018 at 6:07 pm
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            “TLJ will turn out as a flop speaking in Star Wars terms”

            …which is why it will end up in the top 5 films in U.S. history and top 10 films of all time. That’s a lot of money for a “flop”, don’t you think?

            “We btw still don’t know where the saber came from”

            Where it came from doesn’t matter. Telling us where it came from adds nothing to the story. All that matters is that it ended up with Maz and then Rey got it.

            “Watching this scene infuriates me since there are no answers to them in TLJ. JJ clearly intended these scences to have some meaning”

            No, probably not. If you’re familiar with JJ Abrams and Lost, you know that he’s willing to set up mysteries with no answers. He PRODUCED TLJ, by the way. The Force back just showed that Rey had a special Force connection and gave us some familiar imagery to go along with that.

            There is no “course correction” needed; fanboys just need to stop getting hung up over things that didn’t really matter in the first place. Go ahead and have your opinion, but it won’t change a thing.

    • January 6, 2018 at 3:51 am
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      You make a pretty good point. All movies have issues. Social media definitely has given us a tool to pile on myself included.

    • January 6, 2018 at 6:43 am
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      Exactly. I think if the originals came out today they’d be as trashed as the new ones. Lots of fanboys would be pissed that Ben lied to Luke for the sake of a dramatic twist.

    • January 6, 2018 at 11:58 am
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      r2d2 was on a mission to ObiWan.. ObiWan was near luke.. not a coincident. The jawas captured R2 on his way to ObiWan.. wich was near Luke Skywalker..

      • January 6, 2018 at 2:05 pm
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        Actually it was, ObiWan never owned R2. It only makes sense because we know episode 1-3, 5 and 6. Anakin and Vader were not the same person at the time of shooting episode 4. Maybe episode 7 and 8 make sense after 9

      • January 6, 2018 at 2:15 pm
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        Remember everyone complaining about how a small fighter could destroy the Death Star? We needed Rogue One to clarify this.

    • January 6, 2018 at 3:53 pm
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      Absolutely correct. People are taking art and putting it through this ludicrous crucible of logic and reasoning. I can’t imagine how some of these folks would handle a Dali exhibit.

  • January 6, 2018 at 2:57 am
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    Fifth (and probably final) viewing tonight.
    I recently belatedly realised that even the PT Jedi heroes – the likes of Mace Wndu, Ki Adi Mundi, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Qui-Gon Jinn – were all ‘nobodies’ with a surprising number of midichlorians inside them calling to the Force, ie, they weren’t from any special lineage. No real difference here with ‘Nobody Rey from Nowhere Jakku’………… however, not only did TFA [erroneously] set up Rey as a special and significant and mysterious character – if they had said she was a nobody from the outset we would have all just accepted it and moved on – but, in my view, the whole point (and attraction) of the SW Skywalker Saga is that it is a generational family story. We now have a Sky-Solo who will either be killed or be redeemed (or, at a stretch, partner with Rey, and then the Sky-Solo line would satisfactorily continue beyond IX).

  • January 6, 2018 at 2:57 am
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    Fifth (and probably final) viewing tonight.
    I recently belatedly realised that even the PT Jedi heroes – the likes of Mace Wndu, Ki Adi Mundi, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Qui-Gon Jinn – were all ‘nobodies’ with a surprising number of midichlorians inside them calling to the Force, ie, they weren’t from any special lineage. No real difference here with ‘Nobody Rey from Nowhere Jakku’………… however, not only did TFA [erroneously] set up Rey as a special and significant and mysterious character – if they had said she was a nobody from the outset we would have all just accepted it and moved on – but, in my view, the whole point (and attraction) of the SW Skywalker Saga is that it is a generational family story. We now have a Sky-Solo who will either be killed or be redeemed (or, at a stretch, partner with Rey, and then the Sky-Solo line would satisfactorily continue beyond IX).

    • January 6, 2018 at 2:59 am
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      I think Mace Windu was Mace Windu Kenobi, otherwise, how could he be so powerful?

    • January 6, 2018 at 3:13 am
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      PT: The Skywalker (Anakin) becomes estranged from his partner shortly before her death.

      OT: The Skywalker (Luke) connects with his estranged father shortly before his father’s death.

      ST: The Skywalker (Ben) joins together with his partner (Rey).

      The story comes full circle.

      The End.

    • January 6, 2018 at 3:13 am
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      PT: The Skywalker (Anakin) becomes estranged from his partner shortly before her death.

      OT: The Skywalker (Luke) connects with his estranged father shortly before his father’s death.

      ST: The Skywalker (Ben) joins together with his partner (Rey).

      The story comes full circle.

      The End.

      • January 6, 2018 at 4:15 am
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        Only one problem: unless Rey is a Skywalker, then your logic does not work. Padme was, by marriage, a Skywalker.

        • January 6, 2018 at 4:41 am
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          I think he is implying a romantic relationship between Rey and Kylo. If she was a Skywalker already then that would be problematic.

        • January 6, 2018 at 11:54 am
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          Ben is the Skywalker in all but name. Ben and Rey, is a re-telling of Anakin and Padme, but this time it will end with a happy conclusion.

    • January 6, 2018 at 3:21 am
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      Big difference with all of those other jedi is that they were trained. Rey has had none!

      • January 6, 2018 at 3:34 am
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        But my point is that they were all nobodies when first discovered, and we don’t know what raw talent they had when they were first found. I don’t agree with the current LFL direction, but one could argue there is a precedent (ironically) with the PT Jedi….

        • January 6, 2018 at 3:46 am
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          I don’t think there was an indication of that even in the PT. Even Anakin who was supposed to be the strongest with the force than anyone couldn’t move objects. In TPM Anakin had to use a magnetic rod to pull the coupler to him in the pod race.

          • January 6, 2018 at 3:56 am
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            Every Jedi displays different strengths, especially when they are untrained. I think in TPM we are supposed to see Anakin’s ability to pilot a pod racer (the only human who can do it!) and blow up the droid control ship during a space battle, even though he’s never flown a fighter, as the force showing itself…even though he is untrained.

          • January 6, 2018 at 4:14 am
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            Yet he used the force to race the pod…

          • January 6, 2018 at 12:17 pm
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            Super fast reactions is a Jedi trait but that’s completely different to being able to move things or use the Jedi mind trick!

        • January 7, 2018 at 2:15 am
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          It’s also worth remembering that the Jedi were not permitted to have close relationships and apparently they didn’t have children. So, new Force-sensitive beings coming into the Jedi ranks would, more often than not, be nobodies.

        • January 7, 2018 at 2:15 am
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          It’s also worth remembering that the Jedi were not permitted to have close relationships and apparently they didn’t have children. So, new Force-sensitive beings coming into the Jedi ranks would, more often than not, be nobodies.

      • January 6, 2018 at 4:13 am
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        Anakin wasn’t trained when he used the force-spidey sense to race his pod as a whatever-year-old.

      • January 6, 2018 at 4:13 am
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        Anakin wasn’t trained when he used the force-spidey sense to race his pod as a whatever-year-old.

        • January 6, 2018 at 5:31 am
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          Which was the START of the Skywalker legacy… i.e. Episode 1

          • January 7, 2018 at 2:14 am
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            What does that have to do with anything?

      • January 6, 2018 at 6:11 am
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        And what has Rey done with the Force?
        -One jedi mind trick (which is a famous jedi power known throughout the galaxy that even Watto knows and she achieved after failing twice right after her powers were unlocked by Kylo by also using a mind power on her and even Kylo says she’s getting stronger every second).
        -She defeated an unbalanced lunatic quasi-Sith who was bleeding to death and shocked after killing his father and then in the next movie some guards who weren’t force users with the help of said lunatic (and for the most part in these situations she used her previous expierence with melee weapons more than the force, which is something neither Luke or Anakin had).
        -And then she lifted some rocks with clear effort.

        • January 6, 2018 at 12:14 pm
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          Just because people know about the Jedi mind trick means they can use it almost straight away! I don’t think so that’s ridiculous and makes no sense. Ezra in rebels had trouble with the mind trick even after a year of training with Kanan. As for the rocks, there were several dozen rocks and there was no sign of effort on her face. And what about Luke only being able to lift a couple of rocks after weeks with Yoda! Also at the beginning of Empire Luke has trouble pulling his sabre from the snow even though he’s had instruction (from obi wan) and three years of knowing he can use the force! I’ll give you that she’s a better fighter than them for the reason you said though.

      • January 7, 2018 at 2:17 am
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        So what? We’re talking about a fictional galaxy with a 20,000 year history. With the films, we get something like a 20 hour peek into this galaxy. That’s nothing. How in the world can someone point at something like this and declare that this or that can’t be done?

    • January 6, 2018 at 3:54 am
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      Five viewings? Good God man.
      I reluctantly watched TLJ one time. That was enough.

      • January 6, 2018 at 4:15 am
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        So you went into your first viewing negatively?

        • January 6, 2018 at 4:17 am
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          a REAL Star Wars fan. I’ve seen it 7 times and love it more each time. So much good stuff to discover!

      • January 6, 2018 at 6:29 pm
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        I guess you’re not a Real Star Wars fan. Shocker.

    • January 7, 2018 at 2:21 am
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      “…however, not only did TFA [erroneously] set up Rey as a special and significant and mysterious character – if they had said she was a nobody from the outset we would have all just accepted it and moved on – but, in my view, the whole point (and attraction) of the SW Skywalker Saga is that it is a generational family story.”

      Ben is part of that lineage. His surname doesn’t matter. He’s just as much the grandchild of Vader as Luke’s child would have been. And if you don’t think Rey is a “special and significant” character, you probably should rewatch this movie. That was sort of one of the messages of this film: that you don’t have to be “significant” in terms of lineage in order to be a hero.

      If you determined that Rey was related to Luke or Leia, that’s on you. The film never concretely hinted as such. I walked out of TFA listening to dozens of conversations about who Rey was related to and I remember thinking that she was probably someone without solid links to the principal characters.

  • January 6, 2018 at 4:12 am
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    Her origin wouldn’t matter if it hadn’t been set up and relentlessly teased prior to, and during, both TFA and TLJ. However, it was. The truth is her origin doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things regarding Jedi. But aren’t the current set of movies supposed to be centered around the Skywalker family? Oh, right, never mind…

    • January 6, 2018 at 5:06 am
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      Is Ben not the son of Leia?

    • January 6, 2018 at 11:45 am
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      The Last Jedi was way more Skywalker centric than The Force Awakens. Luke was the heart and soul of the movie.

  • January 6, 2018 at 4:54 am
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    her being no one isn’t the problem. the issue is that it was strongly intimated in TFA that people knew who she was, and flat out said in the novelization that kylo recognized or figured out who she was when she used the force to grab the lightsaber during their duel. but in TLJ she is a nobody and its dropped. having JJ and rian pulling in two separate directions for her character ended up leaving some fans confused and ultimately disappointed with this non reveal.

    • January 6, 2018 at 5:12 am
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      Exactly. It’s like watching a Horror movie and waiting for the reveal of the killer and it never happens. Was it our fault that the movie showed the killer with a mask for 90 minutes and wanting to know who it was?

      • January 6, 2018 at 6:34 am
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        Her parents being nobody important is still a reveal, even if it isn’t the reveal you wanted.

        • January 6, 2018 at 8:25 am
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          And it’s a cool reveal. She’s powerful, heroic and still a bit mysterious.

          Everybody being related to, or old friends with, everyone else was getting a bit stale. Darth Vader built 3PO, Yoda knew Chewbacca… the Star Wars universe needs to open up a bit. That said, I would have liked to see another generation of Skywalkers.

          Maybe Kylo has s kid…

          • January 6, 2018 at 11:43 am
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            “Maybe Kylo has s kid…”

            That’s a big reason why Rey is not a Skywalker. As, she and Kylo will end up together.

          • January 6, 2018 at 12:01 pm
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            That would be pathetic as there is no chemistry between them. There was more chemistry between her & Poe! And besides Kylo will be dead by the end of IX. There is no way he can be allowed to live regardless of whether he turns back to the light or not. Apart from Rey no one else would forgive him.

          • January 6, 2018 at 12:01 pm
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            That would be pathetic as there is no chemistry between them. There was more chemistry between her & Poe! And besides Kylo will be dead by the end of IX. There is no way he can be allowed to live regardless of whether he turns back to the light or not. Apart from Rey no one else would forgive him.

          • January 6, 2018 at 12:14 pm
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            They are both two sides of the same coin. Only them being together will satisfy their fulfilment.

            In The Last Jedi, it’s no coincidence that Ben does nothing that makes him irredeemable:

            1. He chooses not to kill his mother
            2. He doesn’t kill Luke
            3. He ultimately chooses Rey over his father figure Snoke, and in doing so saves Rey’s life

            Even after Ben had killed his father, Rey can still sense good in him, much like Luke with Anakin.

            They are destined to be together.

          • January 6, 2018 at 12:53 pm
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            Lol, sorry mate I think you’re living in a romantic bubble! In TFA he kills an unarmed old man, he participates in the murder of billions and then kills his own dad. In TLJ he doesn’t kill Snoke for Rey he kills him because he wants to be supreme leader. He just wanted Rey to join him on the dark side, nothing more. Your right he didn’t kill Luke but he sure as hell tried! Remember he commanded them to fire everything at Luke and when that didn’t work he tried to kill him in a saber duel. Yes Rey may forgive him and turn him back but there is no chance whatsoever that everyone else, Finn, Poe, the rebellion, the galaxy, will go “Yipee Kylos good again all is forgiven!!” They will go “Ok hes good, now put him to death or in a deep dark hole forever”

          • January 6, 2018 at 12:53 pm
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            Lol, sorry mate I think you’re living in a romantic bubble! In TFA he kills an unarmed old man, he participates in the murder of billions and then kills his own dad. In TLJ he doesn’t kill Snoke for Rey he kills him because he wants to be supreme leader. He just wanted Rey to join him on the dark side, nothing more. Your right he didn’t kill Luke but he sure as hell tried! Remember he commanded them to fire everything at Luke and when that didn’t work he tried to kill him in a saber duel. Yes Rey may forgive him and turn him back but there is no chance whatsoever that everyone else, Finn, Poe, the rebellion, the galaxy, will go “Yipee Kylos good again all is forgiven!!” They will go “Ok hes good, now put him to death or in a deep dark hole forever”

          • January 6, 2018 at 1:04 pm
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            Yes, there was a youtube video, adding up all the onscreen death committed by characters in action movies, and Luke was at the top mass murdering around 300,000 imperials by blowing up the Death Star. Has there been a deathcount by Kylo Ren yet?
            Does the destruction of the hosehead system count as his? Or just the Wedge stand in at the beginning of Force Awakens

          • January 6, 2018 at 1:45 pm
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            Difference with Luke is that he destroyed a military battle station and was trying to free the galaxy. The Hosnian system was a planet of civilians with children & babies etc. and the FO are trying to enslave the galaxy. Yes kylo would be guilty by association just like a lot of Nazis were in the war.

        • January 6, 2018 at 1:14 pm
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          Haha thats great, someone should collect all these excuses, make a coffee table book or something.
          they should just come out and say,:
          ” we did some focus groups with different demographics and this is what people want, we will make no attempt at a rational explainations for anything on or off screen, we just have to go down the checklist and make sure we jam in all the bullet points”
          ” we will also find all the big youtube reviewers and give them the red carpet access treatment, give them a night out and they will sing our praises to the stars” well what about the ones who dont get invited? doesn’t matter, the sheep will follow the herd.

    • January 6, 2018 at 6:39 am
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      Maybe what Kylo recognized in her is that Rey is the powerful light side user that Snoke warned him would rise to counter him (Kylo) as his powers increased? Him recognizing her isn’t present in the movie at all though, at that, technically, is what is canon.
      I think Maz was curious about her, not because she recognized who Rey was, but because she could sense her power.

      • January 6, 2018 at 7:44 am
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        “Him recognizing her isn’t present in the movie at all though, at that, technically, is what is canon.”

        the issue isn’t what is or isn’t canon(though if the novelizations aren’t canon, then they pointless), the issue is what they were were heavily implying and leading people on about. you can’t go that deep into it and then get mad that fans had built in expectations built off of it.

        also he already knew she was strong in the force when he tried to poke around in her mind, so having it merely be a realization of her power is redundant and moot.

        • January 6, 2018 at 10:05 am
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          Nah man, the issue is that her being another Skywalker is totally lame and unnecessary. You’re right that JJ shouldn’t have set that up, that’s why Rian Johnson did the right thing by changing directions. If JJ’s mystery box was full of something, it was going to be regurgitated shit…I’d rather have the empty box. We should be relieved, not angry

          • January 6, 2018 at 8:11 pm
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            i never mentioned her being a skywalker nor did i want that. i wanted them to make their mind ahead of time instead of teasing us for two years for nothing.

  • January 6, 2018 at 4:58 am
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    It’s not going to go the way we think. Just stick with it until the trilogy is complete…

    • January 6, 2018 at 5:51 am
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      With Luke gone prematurely, I’ve already tapped out.

      • January 6, 2018 at 8:13 am
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        Too bad. I’m looking forward to seeing what he’s become.

        • January 6, 2018 at 11:49 am
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          A force ghost, what else! Big deal.

          • January 7, 2018 at 3:14 am
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            It would be better if he was just a force voice like Obi Wan in ANH

      • January 6, 2018 at 5:49 pm
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        Did you say the same about Obi-Wan when he let Vader kill him?

      • January 6, 2018 at 6:27 pm
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        It was never supposed to be Luke’s trilogy.

        • January 7, 2018 at 3:13 am
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          Right.

          Happy to see Luke pushed back into the background. Enough Luke already. Focus on making Rey as interesting as Kylo.

  • January 6, 2018 at 5:34 am
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    “You’ll turn. I’ll help you….”

    You could cut that sexual tension with a lightsaber.

  • January 6, 2018 at 5:34 am
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    “You’ll turn. I’ll help you….”

    You could cut that sexual tension with a lightsaber.

  • January 6, 2018 at 6:15 am
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    If you opened a box and nothing was inside you’d be disappointed. We spent two films being introduced to someone who’s backstory was shockingly revealed to be nobody. If it was so important for he to be nobody, then that should the case from the beginning so we could have gotten a more captivating story.

    Lucas spend over a decade plotting, planning writing, producing directing, and working with other people to help him figure out his original space fantasy trilogy. 40 years later we are still obsessed with it because it MEANS something. Disney is churning out a movie a year each one as empty as JJ’s box…

    https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5893727429687fe15fdff82d/t/5893961d6a4963a27a51e6b4/1486067234476/AbramsMysteryBox.jpg?format=1000w

    • January 6, 2018 at 6:49 am
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      Maz tells us in TFA that Rey’s past doesn’t matter, that her family is gone and isn’t coming back. That the belonging she seeks (being a part of a family) is not behind with her family but ahead of her with the new people she is going to be meeting. Seems like a lot of people chose not to believe that.
      The more I watch TLJ, the more I like the choice that was made because it was the hardest thing for Rey to hear. It has given her character the chance to confront what was holding her back and move past it. I think it is super captivating.

      • January 6, 2018 at 8:14 am
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        Like the revelation or not, it’s still a revelation that ignores crucial details laid out in the previous film.

        Rey – “What was that? I shouldn’t have gone in there”
        Maz – “That lightsaber was Luke’s, and his father’s before him and now it calls to you!”

        Rey – “I have to get back to Jakku”
        Maz – “Han told me” (they hold hands) “Dear child, I see your eyes –
        you already know the truth. Whomever you are waiting for on Jakku,
        they’re never coming back” Rey cries “but, there’s someone who still
        could”
        Rey – “Luke”
        Maz – “The belonging you seek is not behind you, it is ahead. I am
        no jedi, but I know the force. It moves through and surrounds every
        living thing. Close your eyes, feel it. The light. It’s always been
        there. It will guide you. The sabre – take it.”
        Rey – “I’m never touching that thing again, I don’t want any part of this”

        Why did the saber call to rey?
        Why did Maz point out the family linage of the weapon?
        What did Han Tells Maz?

        maz points out specifically that “whomever ray is waiting for” (not specifically “her family”) is never coming back” Meaning the person he left her their may or may not be her actual blood relation.

        the family bond Rey sought was in front of her doesn’t equal a couple of new friends.Maz then implores her to take Luke’s light saber just as Luke did his own father’s saber previously. Star Wars movie protagonist have always been Skywalkers before. C’mon. there is no way we aren’t suppose to think this isn’t Luke’s long lost daughter he presumably doesn’t even know existed. The one who isn’t coming back to Jakku being her dead mother is perfectly logical interpenetration of what Maz said.

        The ambiguity of the words chosen purposefully to misdirect us to think this and have these types of conversations. Otherwise, Maz could/should have said “your parents are nobody. They sold you for bear money” in the previous film. We didn’t need to waist time on this. We didn’t waist time on Finn’s or Poe’s parents in the film, so why Rey? Misdirection…

        in what way was this nothing burger “holding her back”.
        Certainly not her ability to use the force as she is more powerful then The Chosen One Anakin Skywalker. Certainly not emotionally because she took to Han, Leia and Luke pretty quickly with little t bond them with her.

      • January 6, 2018 at 8:14 am
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        Like the revelation or not, it’s still a revelation that ignores crucial details laid out in the previous film.

        Rey – “What was that? I shouldn’t have gone in there”
        Maz – “That lightsaber was Luke’s, and his father’s before him and now it calls to you!”

        Rey – “I have to get back to Jakku”
        Maz – “Han told me” (they hold hands) “Dear child, I see your eyes –
        you already know the truth. Whomever you are waiting for on Jakku,
        they’re never coming back” Rey cries “but, there’s someone who still
        could”
        Rey – “Luke”
        Maz – “The belonging you seek is not behind you, it is ahead. I am
        no jedi, but I know the force. It moves through and surrounds every
        living thing. Close your eyes, feel it. The light. It’s always been
        there. It will guide you. The sabre – take it.”
        Rey – “I’m never touching that thing again, I don’t want any part of this”

        Why did the saber call to rey?
        Why did Maz point out the family linage of the weapon?
        What did Han Tells Maz?

        maz points out specifically that “whomever ray is waiting for” (not specifically “her family”) is never coming back” Meaning the person he left her their may or may not be her actual blood relation.

        the family bond Rey sought was in front of her doesn’t equal a couple of new friends.Maz then implores her to take Luke’s light saber just as Luke did his own father’s saber previously. Star Wars movie protagonist have always been Skywalkers before. C’mon. there is no way we aren’t suppose to think this isn’t Luke’s long lost daughter he presumably doesn’t even know existed. The one who isn’t coming back to Jakku being her dead mother is perfectly logical interpenetration of what Maz said.

        The ambiguity of the words chosen purposefully to misdirect us to think this and have these types of conversations. Otherwise, Maz could/should have said “your parents are nobody. They sold you for bear money” in the previous film. We didn’t need to waist time on this. We didn’t waist time on Finn’s or Poe’s parents in the film, so why Rey? Misdirection…

        in what way was this nothing burger “holding her back”.
        Certainly not her ability to use the force as she is more powerful then The Chosen One Anakin Skywalker. Certainly not emotionally because she took to Han, Leia and Luke pretty quickly with little t bond them with her.

        • January 7, 2018 at 3:11 am
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          I agree with you and you describe why I too was a bit disappointed with this. I’ll get over it, it’s not my story.

          Here’s where you lost me though:

          “she is more powerful then The Chosen One Anakin Skywalker”

          What are you talking about? She did a Jedi mind trick after fending off a mind rape, called a light sabre and lifted some rocks. How does that elevate her over the first “nobody” uber force user?

      • January 6, 2018 at 10:49 am
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        They also had many things point to her being other things, don’t act like they didn’t make it a mystery. Maz asked Han, whose the girl, and he didn’t answer on screen.

        And it really wasn’t the hardest thing Rey could hear, she shrugged it off and and it had little impact on what she did after. It didn’t weaken her resolve. It didn’t disconnect her to the force. It made her momentarily sad then she proceeded to do fine.

      • January 6, 2018 at 10:49 am
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        They also had many things point to her being other things, don’t act like they didn’t make it a mystery. Maz asked Han, whose the girl, and he didn’t answer on screen.

        And it really wasn’t the hardest thing Rey could hear, she shrugged it off and and it had little impact on what she did after. It didn’t weaken her resolve. It didn’t disconnect her to the force. It made her momentarily sad then she proceeded to do fine.

        • January 9, 2018 at 5:26 am
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          He didn’t answer Maz on screen because the audience already knows the answer and we don’t need to waste time in the film listening to Han retell everything we’ve just seen.

  • January 6, 2018 at 6:38 am
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    I think the blame is on JJ’s annoying obsession of setting up mysteries without wanting to answer them so I get the complains from the fanbase, but as for me, I find the revelation satisfying due to the messages it transmits. Oh, and it’s actually Rey the one who makes the reveal not Kylo, all Kylo does is going into detail.

    • January 6, 2018 at 10:43 am
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      It’s Kylo who encourages her to accept what they saw. But it was obviously meant to be obscure.

  • January 6, 2018 at 9:15 am
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    I believe the choice being just Rey is good.
    We have Ben Solo/Kylo Ren already as a Skywalker, Hux has some linage too, even Poe.
    It would be redundant making her a Skywalker too. Not only because Kylo, also because Luke, Leia…
    The message is the correct, the fate of the galaxy is not only in the hands of a bloodline.

  • January 6, 2018 at 9:30 am
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    The origin story that Kylo Ren gives for Rey is really the only one that would truly work with what we see in the TFA forceback scene. No one who cares about a child would leave them in the hands of someone like Unkar Plutt. What Rey rises to in the films is all the more powerful and meaningful given the gut punch of her beginnings.

    • January 6, 2018 at 10:24 am
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      There’s many ways to lose a child. I’m fact, Kylo could be rightband she could be somebody. Snoke and Kylo seemed interested in a girl in episode 7, before R.J. in his utter disdain for fans decided to trash everything cool that came before him.

      Rey could have special blood, say Luke, but the Jedi never knew. He could even sense in the force that a bloodline was powerful, and assumed it was Kylo only.

      Rey’s real mother and her pop could have seemingly left her for drinking money, but because Snoke and the Knights of Ren were getting close.

      In fact, that makes more sense since Rey is so natural powerful and gifted beyond even Anakin and Luke. It’s supposed to be the Skywalker Saga, but the Skywalkers are dead, both failures, with their choices leading to utterly debistated Jedi orders.

      Then Rey doing all this stuff with little effort would make some sense.

      • January 8, 2018 at 12:37 am
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        One of the most powerful messages of the film (and, indeed all of the SW films) is that anyone can be a hero. You don’t have to belong to a particular legacy. The Force flows through all life and each individual has their own relationship with it, so I wholly support and embrace the idea that Rey is just a random individual with no special background, because aren’t we all, really? I get why that might be difficult for some people to let go of because of the soap opera aspect of a saga like SW, but it needed to be done. If what we’re hearing is true, the Skywalker Saga ends with Episode IX, so it makes perfect sense for the Skywalkers themselves to end with it.

      • January 8, 2018 at 12:37 am
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        One of the most powerful messages of the film (and, indeed all of the SW films) is that anyone can be a hero. You don’t have to belong to a particular legacy. The Force flows through all life and each individual has their own relationship with it, so I wholly support and embrace the idea that Rey is just a random individual with no special background, because aren’t we all, really? I get why that might be difficult for some people to let go of because of the soap opera aspect of a saga like SW, but it needed to be done. If what we’re hearing is true, the Skywalker Saga ends with Episode IX, so it makes perfect sense for the Skywalkers themselves to end with it.

    • January 6, 2018 at 3:54 pm
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      ^bingo

  • January 6, 2018 at 10:33 am
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    Who taught you how to write an editorial. Starting out by insinuating a good portion of your readers are fools isn’t a smart play. It’s the same kind of smugness that led Johnson to make so many asinine choices with Episode 8. Same kind and of smugness from those who liked 8 that assume everyone else is unable to grasp the movie so they can not grasp the brilliance, neither is true.

    Yes the bloodline of the OT character very much mattered, especially to the fans who kept the thing going while nothing new was coming out. The fans who spent hundreds if not thousands of dollars on stuff and books and Disney trash it all.

    It’s not some new revolutionary message, because we’ve seen 10 thousand no ones become Jedi. And it doubled down with the boy.
    It actually creates an unrealistic idea about no one rises to be so much more powerful the the great Skywalkers.

    The idea of it being the thing Rey least wanted to hear was bogus. Rey shrugged it off and and it had little impact on what she did after. It didn’t weaken her resolve. Tempt her to the dark side. She force battled Keylo Ren, trained Jedi and Trained Darksider. She won of course. Both getting knock.

    She had zero disconnect from the force. It made her momentarily sad then she proceeded to do fine.

    Her being a skywalker would show the family does best when they don’t know who they really are.

    Rey being a nobody on Jakku, the planet where Palp had found secret things, always seem too perfect to be coincidence. Oh, and it just so happens that SanTekka is there, and the Falcon was sitting around. Yea, ok. Han just got there so fast because the Falcon was turned on. Oh, wasn’t it turned on to get dropped on Jakku?

    Luke easily could be the father without being aware she exist—especially since he’s a dude whose also a legend. And if the mother chose to hide her, thenbexpkains how someone else could have ended with her. Snoke and Kylo seemed alfully interested in a girl from Jakku in episode 7, before R.J. in his utter disdain for fans and seemingly continuity and decided to trash everything that came before the Disney orphans.

    It make vastly more sense since for Rey to be a truly special skywalker and have natural power and be vastly more gifted that her forefathers, beyond even Anakin and Luke. It’s supposed to be the Skywalker Saga, but the Skywalkers are dead, failures, with their choices leading to utterly debistated Jedi orders. If it’s left where it is, the legacy of the Skywalkers will be failure. A legend to be replaced by Disney orphan Mary Sue.

    • January 6, 2018 at 1:01 pm
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      I have learned that the average age of the posters here is somewhere around 12, the laughable defense of what the one great Star Wars franchise has become is now the highlight of my day.
      When I get home from work, I like to see what the latest ” heres why you didn’t understand the movie” promotional from Disney. I check here and then collider, two of the biggest Disney promotion sites I have come across yet.
      Meanwhile in the real world the toy line has tanked, the film is 220 million behind what they expected 21 days out from release, and the main reason KK had an Asian actress, “to crack the Asian market” (her words, not mine) has failed miserably in China.
      To continue to dig there own grave and double down is now borderline insanity, If this doesn’t kill Star Wars, wait till ya see what they do with Solo
      My honest opinion, not tainted with red carpet passes or early screeners like some in the “new media”

    • January 6, 2018 at 4:06 pm
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      It’s done. Deal with it. Move on.

    • January 7, 2018 at 9:11 am
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      TLDR; they didn’t write the story the way I wanted it to be so it sucks, Disney sucks, RJ is a hack and anyone that liked TLJ is a Disney shill, especially this website, and doesn’t understand what Star Wars should be. Basis for thesis: I bought toys and Disney’s investment pales in comparison…only I care.

      I think I got it.

  • January 6, 2018 at 12:44 pm
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    I wish someone would write an article on all the great new force powers were learned in both of the new movies, such as:
    1. Force stop lasers
    Kylo ren
    2. Force spaceship flying
    Rey with the Falcon
    3. Force visions
    Rey with the lightsaber
    4. Force Explosion proofing
    Leia surviving the bridge explosion
    5. Force Fire proofing
    Leia again surviving the bridge explosion
    6. Force space travel
    Travelling without a ship or any protective gear
    7. Force swimming
    Luke and Rey growing up on desert planets
    8. Force ghost lightning
    Yoda blowing up the tree
    9. Force Communication with real world interaction
    Kylo and rey talking, with kylo wet from the rain
    10. Force quitting
    Jake Skywalker shutting off his link to the force
    11. Force astral plane battle mode
    Well this power requires you to purchase gold level loot crate $$$

    • January 6, 2018 at 3:39 pm
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      1/ yoda stopped force lighting. Same thing.
      2/anakin pod race, Luke Death Star. Same thing.
      3/ anakin dreams, Luke dagobah visions. Same thing.
      4-5-6/she was unhurt by the explosion. Got sucked into space for 2 minutes (which according to arthur clark is survivable) . “Levitated” herself back. No different than lifting a sunk xwing
      7/ some people are natural swimmers
      8/he’s one with the force, why not?
      9/this was hinted at in empire and Jedi. The power of the force has been expanded. Why not?
      10/ yep. Sure. Why not?
      11/ yep. Sure. Why not?

      The answer to all these: The Force.

      Deal with it.

      • January 6, 2018 at 3:56 pm
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        You should write for Leno

      • January 6, 2018 at 4:56 pm
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        I agree with most of your replies except 4,5& 6. It’s a bit of a stretch that she survived the explosions. Who the hell is Arthur Clark and anyway he’s incorrect. The longest you can survive in space is 30secs-1 min. Your blood starts to boil away almost instantly. Look it up. Pulling herself back in with the force is completely different to Yoda lifting an xwing. Yodas one of the most powerful jedi ever and even that was an effort for him. Leias had little to no training so shouldn’t have been able to pull that off.

        • January 6, 2018 at 8:29 pm
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          “Who is arthur clark”?

          Face-palm.

          The time from leia being blown out to space to the time she gets back in is 2-3 minutes.

          A/ An actual human can survive for nearly that time.

          From scientific American: “In reality, however, animal experiments and human accidents have shown that people can likely survive exposure to vacuum conditions for at least a couple of minutes. … ”

          B/ she fictional. In a fictional universe where people have magic powers. She has magic powers. You have no idea how much training she’s had. It’s clearly enough to give her the ability to add a minute or two of survival time and “levitate” herself to safety.

          • January 7, 2018 at 1:27 am
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            If you mean Arthur C Clarke the author I’ve never heard him called Arthur Clark before. If your gonna mention a person at least use there name properly. I’ll give you that there seems to be some debate as to how long you can survive but by 2 mins you’d be in a pretty sorry state as your blood begins to boil almost straight away. As for Leia having training, in the bloodline novel it’s mentioned that she decided not to train with Luke and just concentrated on being a politician so no she shouldn’t have been able to pull herself in. That’s one of the biggest problems with TLJ all these characters doing things they’ve had no training to do.

          • January 7, 2018 at 3:01 am
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            Seriously, the C threw you? lol

            Btw – pretty sure force space walking was already done in Clone Wars so…i

        • January 9, 2018 at 5:20 am
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          There is no gravity in outer space. Leia moving herself would be waaaayy easier than lifting an X-wing. Any normal human can push themselves away from something and through space with one finger.

  • January 6, 2018 at 3:40 pm
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    I love that Rey is no one. I love that snoke is dead with no convoluted expository backstory. I love that leia forced herself back to the ship. I love the casino sequence. I love the Rey and ren story. I love that Luke abandoned the Jedi. I love what he did at the end.

    It’s all great.

    • January 6, 2018 at 4:14 pm
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      You’re very easily pleased then.

      • January 6, 2018 at 8:28 pm
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        Or are you just easily disappointed?

        • January 7, 2018 at 1:35 am
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          Nope I loved the OT, I wasn’t keen on TPM or AOTC but I did think ROTS was ok. I thought TFA & R1 were fantastic.

          • January 7, 2018 at 2:57 am
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            Same exactly, except TLJ, I really liked it (except for Maz and the Fathiers)

            To each his own!

    • January 6, 2018 at 6:00 pm
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      Agreed

    • January 7, 2018 at 2:21 pm
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      I loved the movie, its a blockbuster about failure and disapoontment, a sad story. I was sad with Luke depression and rebels (terrorists?) almost complete destruction

    • January 8, 2018 at 2:19 am
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      I really like that Snoke was killed, I actually thought about it a long time ago (but I thought Hux would do it lol), but I think Leia’s scene was… weakly executed. Maybe because I didn’t understand what the heck she did. She was frickin’ flying.

      • January 9, 2018 at 5:10 am
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        I thought it looked goofy, but it wasn’t some miraculous feat of Force-flying. In the vacuum of space, pulling yourself toward the ship would probably take no more effort than Luke pulling his light saber out of the snow in ESB. Surviving it is probably the hard part.

  • January 6, 2018 at 5:04 pm
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    Just stay away from tumblr and you’ll be fine.

  • January 6, 2018 at 5:15 pm
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    I’m fine with the concept if not the execution. I get what Rian was going for there. The best example is Rey’s darkside cave. The endless mirror of Rey. That was probably the best portrayal of she’s on her own/no one.

    The rushed Kylo bit fell flat for me because it left you more confused. Is he lying..? Wait they are nobody but did we really just go to the extra detail of them dead in a paupers grave? How, wait… what?

    I agree with the idea that it’s a powerful concept that a great hero can come from nothing. That’s what I loved about the original idea of the Force. That the galaxy could be filled with potential Force users all with the capability of light and dark. This is also why I didn’t like the whole Force balance aspect. That essentially no matter what’s happening the light and dark always balance out. That kind of sucks out a lot of creative freedom.

    No matter what dark lord, Sith whatever is doing he’s got an equal out there coming his way soon. I don’t know. Something about that just disappoints on a potential level. I feel it limits too much freedom on where the Force and the conflicts that happen within it can go. Maybe I’m taking it too literally.

    My other complaint about the Rey/No One thing is… it seems to conflict with TFA. Which is often my complaint with a lot TLJ. The two movies just not feeling that cohesive on the biggest points. TFA built up the mystery only to have TLJ say it’s not important. That chaffs for me.

  • January 6, 2018 at 6:05 pm
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    I have an idea for the new Lord of The Rings TV series. Let’s replace Frodo Baggins with Gilly Oakbottom.

  • January 6, 2018 at 6:05 pm
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    I have an idea for the new Lord of The Rings TV series. Let’s replace Frodo Baggins with Gilly Oakbottom.

    • January 6, 2018 at 6:25 pm
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      Let’s take all of GL’s new Skywalker characters for the new Sequel Trilogy and just make them into nobodies and kill off all the Skywalkers. Fans will love it!

  • January 6, 2018 at 6:32 pm
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    I personally love everything about this film. Yes it left us with lots of questions. And J.J. has a lot on his plate to tie it all up. But every episode of the Skywalker’s story has done this. Questions to be answered at another time. I’ve read all the whinny complaints. Such as how liea was in space and flew back in.. this is nothing new in star wars. Jedi floating or pulling themselves with the force, or jumping incredible hights, or propelling themselves to run fast is has been in film, cartoon, comics, and books for as long as star wars has been around. Force bubbles around yourself has been there as well. Rey’s parentage.. people spent so much time trying to place her into the Skywalker, Kenobi, or what ever family tree, they missed the point that this article states well. Then we come to Luke. My favorite part of this film. Luke, understood the errors of the Jedi in the past. The Jedi were supposed to be humble peace keepers. By the time they fell, they were using midicloriens, how ever you spell that word, haha. … To decide who gets to be trained. Only the highest counts got that privilege. While other with less, but possibly a slight gift, was excluded. Living in towers above the common people. Taking kids to the big force sensitive orphanage, away from family. Fighting war instead of helping to end war. Leave it to Luke Skywalker to win his last battle without lifting a finger. He found a peaceful resolution to saving lives, and not have to actually fight. Hints why he threw out the lightsaber the minute he got it back from Rey. He became the peaceful monk the Jedi should have always been. Fin and rose failed the mission. It wasn’t pointless. It was just failed. As for Rey and Ben… This force link isn’t new either.. the emperor used this to get into the minds of his tie piolets in battle at times in legends. .. now in Canon… I can’t wait to see episode nine. To see how it plays out. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe Rey’s bloodline isn’t what we learned. But I’m more then fine with a nobody saving the day.

    • January 7, 2018 at 6:26 am
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      I just barfed.

      • January 7, 2018 at 8:52 am
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        What an insightful response

  • January 6, 2018 at 8:29 pm
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    I have been following this site since 2013. This is the first time I’ve ever commented on an article. I’m 24 and my dad showed me the original trilogy at such a young age that I physically can’t remember the first time I saw Star Wars. As far as memory goes, I’ve loved Star Wars my entire life. Star Wars News Net has done an incredible job over the past several years. Thank you. I appreciate it.

    Trust me. It pains me to say this far more than it pains others to hear. My beef with The Last Jedi and Rey’s arc is not that she is a nobody, it’s that she has been made the most powerful Jedi in the saga at the expense of Luke Skywalker and the rest of the Star Wars lore.

    Over the span of one week, Rey has gone from a scavenger with little control over the Force to an immensely powerful Jedi Knight. She did this without any training, teaching, inherited power, or even difficulty. It’s an egregious shredding of Star Wars lore. Previous characters like Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Luke all had to train for years and face difficult tasks in order to reach the same level of power as Rey. It’s sad because Rey was a joy to watch in The Force Awakens. She is brilliant, beautiful, and strong. But The Last Jedi started to make her boring. It’s a complete disservice to the character in my opinion.

    • January 6, 2018 at 8:49 pm
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      Rey is NOT an immensely powerful Jedi Knight. She was basically a rag doll against Snoke. If she came up against any of the PT Jedi Knights she’d probably get her ass handed to her.
      She’s used the force maybe a handful of times? Its established in a “Journey to TFA” book that she is already a pilot (she scavenged a flight training simulator at one point and regularly snuck aboard the Falcon). Its not uncommon for untrained people who are force sensitive to be good at things like that.
      After feeling what it felt like to have Kylo probing around in her mind and resisting, she was able to barely use a Jedi mind trick to escape.
      She barely defeated Kylo, who had sustained a shot from a weapon that had been blowing people across rooms the whole movie…it probably should have killed him. And also, he has never displayed a desire to actually kill her…in both movies he wants her to join him.
      In TLJ she purposefully uses the force just a few times…to call lightsabers to her a few times and to move some rocks. I can’t think of anymore instances of her using the force on purpose? There is NO WAY Rey would be able to use the Force like Luke did in this movie. He’s clearly at another level.
      Force ghost Luke has A LOT of work to do to get Rey anywhere near where she needs to be to face Kylo Ren. She has the potential to be a powerful Jedi and some survival/fighting skills she learned on Jakku, but PT Obi-Wan would probably be able to throw her around like Snoke did.

      • January 6, 2018 at 9:37 pm
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        Thanks for the reply. I hope you are right about Luke returning as a Force Ghost to train Rey. That would certainly elevate The Last Jedi in my eyes. I don’t disagree with any of your statements about Rey during the events of The Force Awakens. She is great throughout that film.

        But during the events of The Last Jedi she most certainly becomes an immensely powerful Jedi Knight. It’s not that she did amazing things. It’s that she did them with zero training, teaching, inherited abilities, or even difficulty. All in the span of a single week. That’s what makes her so powerful. She defeats Luke Skywalker in hand to hand combat. She fights off Snoke’s guards. And she defeats Kylo Ren in a Force struggle. Even her being thrown around by Snoke results in the positive outcome of his death.

        Luke in The Empire Strikes Back almost gets killed by a wampa. Fails to lift his x-wing out of the swamp. And he is defeated by Vader.

        Anakin in Attack of the Clones fails to save his mother. Fails to rescue Obi-Wan. And he is defeated by Dooku.

        You say Rey would get her ass handed to her by previous Jedi. The fact is though, she is accomplishing feats that no Jedi shown on screen has been able to do in their first week of being a Jedi. That evidence leads me to believe she would hold her own against pretty much any Jedi. After all, she was just shown defeating Luke Skywalker. Who, as you said, is incredibly powerful in his own right.

        But don’t get me wrong. I don’t hate Rey. I love the first part of her arc. I want her to continue to grow and succeed. I want the final part of her arc to be better than the part shown in The Last Jedi. But just because I love her, doesn’t mean I can’t have the opinion that The Last Jedi did an incredible disservice to her by making her boring and unable to fail.

        • January 6, 2018 at 9:48 pm
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          Luke presumably hasn’t fought in quite some time (6-7 years?). Rey attacks him while he is defenseless and has his back turned (poorly done, Rey!), he quickly disarms her, and then she comes at him with a lightsaber, at which point he stumbles on a rock (and uses the force to keep himself from falling on his but!). That was hardly a fair fight.
          Rey’s skill at hand to hand combat, without the force, was established in TFA. Why wouldn’t she be able to fight off Snokes guards, who are not force users.
          And finally, TFA establishes that the lightsaber wants to be with Rey not Kylo. However, she is unable to get it outright this time and they end up breaking it in half. She might also have been knocked out, but she came to quicker and escaped.
          I’m just not getting any sense of her having a mastery of the force or displaying any abilities she didn’t show in TFA.

          • January 6, 2018 at 10:15 pm
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            Those are all fair points to make. I guess we just have to agree to disagree about what a mastery of the Force entails. To me, defeating Luke Skywalker is showing a mastery of the Force. Defeating Kylo for a second time is showing a mastery of the Force. Her not needing even a fraction of an amount of training or teaching is showing a mastery of the Force. But that is just my opinion.

            I personally would have enjoyed the film more if Luke had just kicked her ass in that moment. A Jedi is never defenseless. He could have used the Force to push her down, freeze her, take the lightsaber before her or from her. Before that moment, I very much enjoyed the film. But after it, I struggled to enjoy the rest. It very much rubbed me the wrong way.

          • January 6, 2018 at 11:28 pm
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            Yeah, I’ve seen it many times at this point and I just don’t think he’s interested in beating her or even being in a fight with her at that point, he just wants her to leave. I have no doubts that Luke could have beat her if he was at all interested. *shrugs*

          • January 7, 2018 at 8:47 am
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            Sometimes I read the comments here and it’s like I saw a different movie. I just don’t see her as having done anything really spectacular to make people think she is this all powerful Jedi Sue. You had a nice long list above of her relatively pedestrian accomplishments.

            In the hand-to-hand duel between Rey and Luke, he did beat her and easily, one-handed, with a stick and disarmed her. She pulled the lightsaber in frustration. She didn’t defeat him, he just got out of the way of a reckless challenge with a killing weapon being wielded by an untrained and angry fighter.

          • January 8, 2018 at 5:30 am
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            This is a great conversation. I agree with many of the viewpoints. The real only problem for me is Rey’s portrayal as a strong force user against experienced force users. I have a hard time accepting that someone with little to no knowledge of the force can match or overpower those that do. I understand that Lucasfilm/star wars moved towards female empowerment. (It was stated many times during Star Wars celebration) And I’m all for that but when it seems like Rey’s only character flaw is identity, then it does make her appear like a marysue. Regardless, I still like the films.

          • January 8, 2018 at 5:30 am
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            This is a great conversation. I agree with many of the viewpoints. The real only problem for me is Rey’s portrayal as a strong force user against experienced force users. I have a hard time accepting that someone with little to no knowledge of the force can match or overpower those that do. I understand that Lucasfilm/star wars moved towards female empowerment. (It was stated many times during Star Wars celebration) And I’m all for that but when it seems like Rey’s only character flaw is identity, then it does make her appear like a marysue. Regardless, I still like the films.

          • January 8, 2018 at 8:47 am
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            She does need to be challenged more…finding out that she has to rely on herself is a challenge for the character but it’s kind of bland. Too bad they didn’t have her take Kylo’s hand after killing the redshits

      • January 6, 2018 at 11:12 pm
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        Well, according to none other than Luke Skywalker himself, he had never seen that much raw power in anyone else except Ben Solo. Therefore, Rey may be still untrained, but there’s no doubt that she is extremely strong with the force.

        • January 6, 2018 at 11:23 pm
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          Yes raw power, I’m just saying I don’t think she know how to use it yet. Most of what she has done has been in life and death situations, day to day I think she has a lot to learn.

      • January 7, 2018 at 2:37 am
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        give it a break….they made her a Mary Sue!

        • January 7, 2018 at 8:39 am
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          Everythjng Mags said is what happened on the screen, you just don’t like or want to recognize it.

    • January 7, 2018 at 2:38 am
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      dont let these few shout you down, everybody is entitled to their own opinion, and you have made some valid points, but get ready for the hate

      • January 7, 2018 at 3:15 am
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        Thanks for the encouragement and for the heads up. May the Force be with you.

    • January 7, 2018 at 2:50 am
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      Fair enough…but I don’t think they have portrayed her as the most powerful force user, let alone an actual Jedi, at least not yet.

      What Luke and Snoke were able to do, that’s master level stuff. So far the only real power she’s been shown to use is the mind trick in TFA, calling a sabre and lifting rocks. I think the mind trick is easily rationalized after her mind duel with Kylo in TFA. The rest, hell she’s a natural! Maybe if Luke wasn’t still a whiny b*tch in ESB he could have lifted that X Wing lol.

      The writers are stretching and evolving the lore, I say go for it…these are just movies. Egregious shredding of the lore, that’s a bit of an exaggeration in my opinion.

      • January 7, 2018 at 3:11 am
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        Thanks for the reply. You make good points. I would just ask you a few questions. If Rey is not being portrayed as the most powerful Jedi, then why include Luke’s line about her being so powerful? If she isn’t meant to be so powerful, then why have her be able to succeed at everything? Can you name me a single Jedi in the saga of films who in their first week of being a Jedi was able to accomplish anything even remotely close to what Rey has accomplished in her first week of being a Jedi?

        I can answer the last one. There is not a single Jedi who matches that criteria. That is why I regard Rey as being so powerful. She is accomplishing things faster than any previous Jedi, and all without any training, teaching, or even difficulty. That’s also why I regard it as shredding the lore. Before The Last Jedi, Jedi needed to train for years under a teacher. They needed to face difficult trials, defeats, and lessons. Sacrifices had to be made. Losses had to be incurred. Rey skips all that. The Last Jedi completely ignores the established lore of the previous films.

        • January 7, 2018 at 3:27 am
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          I dunno. I think the idea is that he recognizes the raw potential and really, it was mentioned to be a light-side balance to the same statement made by Snoke in the first throne room scene. I try not think to hard about Star Wars loopholes, because if I did I would also be questioning how he “sees” her power while being closed off from the force.

          I think JJ had it in his head that Rey was connected to the saga somehow and therefore the lightsaber…so she gets a little “wand chooses the wizard” effect with it. I think having just defended againt a mind violation from Kylo in TFA taught her what she needed to know about the mind trick. The rocks? She did, she did not just try. Her flying the Falcon so well, was explained in the novelization..not the same as on screen but since when did that matter in this verse?

          I get what you and alot of people are saying about the Jedi training angle, but really…she hasn’t done anuthing all that remarkable with the force that SHE was in control of. I guess I don’t have as much of a problem with the ideas of naturals with the force, like the kid with the broom.

          • January 7, 2018 at 3:52 am
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            Thanks for the answers. I appreciate it. You make fair insights. I don’t disagree with anything except Rey being a natural and not doing anything remarkable.

            Rey beating Luke is remarkable to me. Rey beating Kylo in a Force struggle is remarkable to me.

            To me, there is a big difference between being a natural and being incredibly great at something. For instance, my girlfriend is a very good shot with a firearm. She did very well her first time at the range. She was a natural. But by no means would she be able to go up against and outperform a trained marksman. That is until she receives more practice, training, and teaching.

            The boy with the broom could very well be considered a natural. Anakin and Luke from The Phantom Menace and A New Hope could also be considered naturals. Rey during The Force Awakens I would argue is a natural as well. But during the events of The Last Jedi she goes far beyond the state of simply being a natural. A natural would have gotten her ass beat by Luke, or would have been the one head-locked by a guard, or would have at the very least struggled slightly to lift a ton of boulders. Had Rey received some training or teaching before these events, I would have no problem with their occurrence. (EDIT: Except for her beating Luke. That remains egregious in my eyes regardless.)

          • January 7, 2018 at 5:15 am
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            I find this topic interesting because for so many people the physical laws of the force have been defined, to include the need for x semesters of Jedi-specific training to be able use it the way Rey has.

            One of the things I think RJ did right was to bring us back to the idea (lost during the PT era) that anyone can use the force, which was emphasized by Luke’s first lesson…that Jedi don’t own the force. As a 10 year-old seeing Star Wars I loved that idea. If he’s right (Luke), then it’s not that far a stretch to say I don’t need to train like a selfless monk to lift rocks. Keep in mind that Luke could spar with Vader (not in the force, only melee like Rey) after only a couple of days with Yoda, and could already call his lightsaber, force ghost commune and mind call Leia, before even before training with Yoda.

            Where I totally agree with you is with the timeline. Starting with TFA, they have really compressed the timeline. How long was Finn out cold in that bacta suit? If it was only days then Rey is coming into her own seemingly in days and hours. The timeline is a mess in TLJ. In the 18 hours of high speed chase, we see what looks like two or three days on Ach To. My assumption has been that they were already there before the opening “can you hear me now” transpired.

            Ok, Rey beating Luke. I actually saw this scene completely differently. Luke beat her didn’t he? I thought so, and that he did it with contemptuous ease. He parried, whacked her in the side and disarmed her like Zorro with just a stick. To me, Rey lost control because of how easily he dismissed her attacks and so she cheated by pulling a light sabre…and he backed off fast. It’s like if your sparring partner pulled a gun out of his shorts…you’re not going for the gun, it’s calm down time. As far as the guards go, they’re just redshirts after all. Ren was doing more ass-kicking I thought.

            But seriously, I think they spent enough time showing her migration of melee abilities from staff to sabre. In TFA, she didn’t look at all like she knew what she was doing…until the force guided her.

            As a fan, I’m just jazzed that we have a movie to discuss, never thought we would see another trilogy, or that I would like it!

  • January 6, 2018 at 9:35 pm
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    Since the end of The Force Awakens it dawned on me that the sequel trilogy was about the final days of our beloved classic heroes and the legacy they were leaving behind. I love Reyes story because without being related to the OG characters she is very much influenced by their legend and then their example when she meets them. Rey is not a jedi yet as killing the elite guards all though impressive was not a feat she accomplished on her own. Her victory over Kylo in the first movie was also due to him being injured in many ways. Still impressive but not with out reason. All the abilities she has learned so far when it comes to the Force have come from unintended lessons from Ben Solo as he used them against her in the interrogation chamber and the forest. At this point Rey will be the last jedi as she has what she needs to get it done but from what I gleam from these movies is your not Jedi until you know you are and even then you have to declare it and prove it in some way.

  • January 6, 2018 at 10:56 pm
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    While I have certain issues with The Last Jedi, Rey’s parentage isn’t really one of them. Mainly because I knew that whatever revelation we were given (such as being related to an established character living or dead) wouldn’t live up to hype or expectations anyway.
    Though admittedly I haven’t really been that invested in the character enough so far to care, this was probably the least predictable way to go. Whether or not the film was just being deliberately subversive here for the sake of being subversive. In that it’s in essence, a reverse of the twist from ESB.

    We have Luke, the son of a highly respected senator and leader. And a hero of the Old Republic who was corrupted into a enforcer of oppression, and one of the most feared men in the galaxy.

    Rey, daughter of some space bums. Hah! Gotcha! *Sits in corner looking smug*

    I am aware that certain people on here can turn nasty at the slightest hint of criticism, and frankly I’m in no mood for grief on the subject
    At the end of the day it doesn’t really bother me that much, and won’t loose any sleep over the matter. But at the same time, I can’t help but feel there was something a bit more ‘inventive’ that could have been done instead.

    • January 7, 2018 at 2:34 am
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      Same. It doesn’t bother me either in the end but I am a little disappointed to be honest.

      Learning or realizing that her parents were nobodies and that she would have to be self-reliant may have been the most challenging way to go for Rey the character…but as a member of the audience it’s kind of meh. I am glad that it means possibly the end of the Skywalker saga after IX and we can have something new.

      Still, I think it would have been fun for her to be related to someone special.

  • January 7, 2018 at 2:34 am
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    Nah…sucks that she’s a no one and so anti climatic it’s sickening. A full blown Mary Sue and a typical Disney message.

    No thanks to both.

    Don’t tease us for 2 years, have her engaging in unexplained force abilities with no training and then act like we’re supposed to be enlightened with a Disney message. blahhhh!!!

    • January 7, 2018 at 3:41 am
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      “…sucks that she’s a no one…”

      She’s not a “no one”, she’s Rey.

  • January 7, 2018 at 2:45 am
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    When you see how Disney laid out their plan for the Marvel Universe, with all the movies directly influencing each other and a grand plan for where it would end up. I cant help but feel Star Wars got cheated.
    Imagine using the anthology films to set up new villians, characters and planets, giving them real backstory, and then revisiting them in the Arc movies.
    why do we need the comic foil of General Hux? he was not threatening at all in Last Jedi, fell for your mama jokes, tossed around like Loki. Now replace him with a General Krennic and the First Order would be infinely more interesting.
    The fact that there is no design for anything long term is troubling

    • January 7, 2018 at 8:36 am
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      Imagine using the anthology films to set up new villians, characters and planets, giving them real backstory, and then revisiting them in the Arc movies.

      I really wanted them to do thjs for Rey, maybe with the Kenobi movie. Instead we get Solo…

      • January 7, 2018 at 5:34 pm
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        Where is that Ben Kenobi movie???

    • January 8, 2018 at 1:06 am
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      Agreed — this “let’s make up Star Wars as we go” thing is leading to DISASTROUS results with the storytelling.

  • January 7, 2018 at 7:14 am
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    SO she’s no one? No last name nothing. Just random scavenger who got lucky to have the force and meet all these people who are tied to major events in the galaxy. Why did obi wan whisper “rey these are your first steps” in that force back. Nah there’s a bigger reason behind it all. I know JJ gotta have something up his sleeve and probably himself doesn’t want rey a nobody. I wish he would have just said who her parents are so Johnson couldn’t have done anything about it.

    • January 7, 2018 at 8:33 am
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      Just random SLAVE BOY who got lucky to have the force and meet all these people who are tied to major events in the galaxy…

      How dare they make Rey have such a meaningless back story. GL would never have done something like that

      • January 8, 2018 at 8:22 am
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        Not random. Plagues manipulated the midichlorians to create life. It’s pretty obvious that’s why palpatine told anakin that story. So maybe snoke did the same with rey. Playing god

        • January 8, 2018 at 8:43 am
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          Interesting idea

    • January 22, 2018 at 10:51 pm
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      Because the Force has chosen Rey.

      • January 23, 2018 at 1:32 am
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        So now the force can choose people? Why Rey then

        • January 23, 2018 at 3:02 pm
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          Maybe because she was in the right place at the right time.

  • January 7, 2018 at 2:22 pm
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    SW is a band of terrorists against the government?

    • January 7, 2018 at 7:32 pm
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      thats the most basic of definitions, yes
      a group of individuals rising up against a tyrannical governing body, hoping to return freedom to the people. The oldest story of humanity itself

    • January 7, 2018 at 7:23 pm
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      haha milking a seal-a-saurus!

      • January 7, 2018 at 7:48 pm
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        And here I thought it was a Rosie O’Donnell cameo.

  • January 7, 2018 at 7:21 pm
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    Except, if they really wanted Rey to be a nobody they wouldn’t just make her Rey without a last name. They don’t dramatize her backstory or tel is anything in TFA but for no reason Anakin lightsaber calls to her.

    Spending two movies in a trilogy where Rey just learns her parents were drunks is weak. She doesn’t grow as a person and she doesn’t learn anything. She has some interesting dialogue with Luke but what is so different about her or what was her arc? Apparently she needs no training, the movie says that you don’t need help if you’re just born with natural talent and gifts. You don’t need a good coach to hone your skills.

    Luke learned in Empire, about judging by appearance, resisting hate, underestimating power, being schooled about his pessimism and naiveness

    If they wanted Rey to be a non Skywalker then don’t have a lightsaber that was lost from 3 movies ago call to her. What made Luke’s green saber so unique was that it represented him stepping out of his fathers shadow and becoming his own person, it was not about heirloom or chosen one stuff as people think.

    So why does Rey want to redeem Kylo Ren? What does she see in him? It’s not clear at least to me.

    I really like TLJ but this trilogy in context of what came before is muddled and confused.

  • January 7, 2018 at 11:01 pm
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    Makes total sense…except,that it doesn’t. Rian Johnson completely throws out established canon. All,the movies are supposed to matter. Lucasfilm has a story group so it all fits together and we don’t have massive plot holes. No one held Rian to this. He did whatever the hell he wanted and they let him. It’s a joke and the endless spin by the shills is just embarrassing.

    • January 8, 2018 at 1:07 am
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      It really is embarrassing. Rian pretty much DISCARDED the entire film The Force Awakens. When you go back now and watch TFA, it’s like none of the story-threads even matter.

    • January 8, 2018 at 2:58 am
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      he said that like once a week he visited the Story group asking if he´s not going too far with this and that, and they agreed with almost everything (his own words)

  • January 7, 2018 at 11:58 pm
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    Disagree totally. They promised her parentage would be “incredibly satisfying” for fans. The fanbase is clearly divided about this movie.
    I am in the group that thinks Rian Johnson ruined Star Wars. Worst movie of the franchise.

    • January 8, 2018 at 1:06 am
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      Ruin Johnson.

    • January 8, 2018 at 1:06 am
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      Ruin Johnson.

  • January 8, 2018 at 4:14 pm
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    I couldn’t agree more. Going into the film, I thought she’d be a Solo or Skywalker, and as the film went on, I thought the connection she had with Kylo Ren was pointing to them being siblings. So I was briefly disappointed when she wasn’t connected in any way… but then it made total sense. And I think it was the best way they could have handled it. The whole movie kept establishing the point that who you are is far more important than where you come from. I think it’s a great message, and I hope JJ goes with it.

    Also, I was most afraid of them doing the whole “created by the Force” thing, and I’m VERY glad they didn’t go that route.

  • January 8, 2018 at 4:14 pm
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    I couldn’t agree more. Going into the film, I thought she’d be a Solo or Skywalker, and as the film went on, I thought the connection she had with Kylo Ren was pointing to them being siblings. So I was briefly disappointed when she wasn’t connected in any way… but then it made total sense. And I think it was the best way they could have handled it. The whole movie kept establishing the point that who you are is far more important than where you come from. I think it’s a great message, and I hope JJ goes with it.

    Also, I was most afraid of them doing the whole “created by the Force” thing, and I’m VERY glad they didn’t go that route.

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