Rian Johnson Discusses Snoke and Phasma in The Last Jedi
The most anticipated movie of the year has finally arrived as The Last Jedi opened worldwide this past weekend! While the Resistance dealt with immeasurable loss and despair, the First Order itself also had its share of unexpected events occur in the middle chapter of the sequel trilogy, and Entertainment Weekly spoke with writer/director Rian Johnson about those aspects of the story.
***SPOILERS AHEAD***
Supreme Leader Snoke
There is no blueprint! The leader of the First Order was cut down (quite literally) during one of the most tense and audience gripping scenes of The Last Jedi, surprising many who may have expected him to live into Episode IX and perhaps then be defeated by a redeemed Ben Solo. But we’ve seen that story before! Rian Johnson knew he wanted to take his story in a different direction, telling Entertainment Weekly that he realized Snoke’s importance rested more on Kylo Ren vaulting himself as the ultimate ruler.
“When I was working on the character of Kylo, I came to a place where I thought the most interesting thing would be to knock the shaky foundation out from under him at the beginning of this movie,” Johnson said. “By the end of this film, he’s gone from being a wannabe Vader to someone who is standing on his own feet as a complex villain taking the reins.”
What was more important, for Snoke to stick around and get ousted just like Palpatine in Return of the Jedi? Or eliminating him now and throwing the entire future into upheaval?
“But then the question is: What place would Snoke have at the end of that? That made me realize the most interesting thing would be to eliminate that dynamic between the ‘emperor’ and pupil, so that all bets are off going into the next one. That also led to the possibility of this dramatic turn in the middle, which could also be a really powerful connection point between Kylo and Rey.”
Johnson explains why he didn’t go into Snoke’s back-story, comparing it to our introduction to Palpatine in Return of the Jedi. We didn’t know where he came from. We just knew he was pure evil, and that was enough. Perhaps not knowing where Snoke went to high school keeps that shrouded sense of mystery we needed. Plus, as Johnson points out, it would have stopped the movie in its tracks, which he didn’t want to do.
“It would have stopped any of these scenes dead cold if he had stopped and given a 30-second speech about how he’s Darth Plagueis. It doesn’t matter to Rey. If he had done that, Rey would have blinked and said, ‘Who?’ And the scene would have gone on.”
Before moving on himself, Johnson quickly added, “And I’m not saying he’s Darth Plagueis!”
Fans thirsting for origin stories and back-stories will have to wait until the inevitable canon novel or comic series that delves into Snoke’s history, which we imagine would uncover how he became so injured, deformed, and so powerful with the dark side of the Force. But until then, he was the stepping stone our true villain Kylo Ren needed to vault himself to the next level of ultimate supremacy.
Captain Phasma
The commander of the stormtroopers, the towering and intimidating warrior, Captain Phasma once again found little screen time in The Last Jedi. We don’t see her until the second half of the film, and after a few brief scenes she was gone, descending into an apocalyptic swarm of fire. In one of his latest pieces at Entertainment Weekly, Anthony Breznican discusses Phasma’s final moments:
On her knees, beaten in single combat by Finn (John Boyega), a former subordinate and deserter, Phasma looks up at him through her damaged mask and snarls, “You were always scum.”
Finn nods: “Rebel scum.”
And then, much like Phasma’s fighting spirit, the floor collapses beneath her. We see the towering warrior plunge into a literal kind of hell. Columns of flame rise up to consume her as she vanishes into the inferno.
Now that The Last Jedi is here, it is without question that theories will begin to mount. Why? Because it’s Star Wars, and we MUST theorize! So with that said, we can all agree we never actually saw Phasma die. Is it possible she landed in a safe spot and found a way to escape? Rian Johnson talks about Phasma’s ability to survive using a funny analogy:
“Phasma is the Kenny from South Park of this series,” he joked.
South Park‘s Kenny is famous for dying in every episode and returning as though nothing happened the following week. So will we see Phasma pop back up in IX? Perhaps with a few scars and burns to show for it? It appears Gwendoline Christie supports that idea according to costume designer Michael Kaplan:
“Gwendoline has it all figured out how she wants to come back.”
Whether Phasma is gone for good or not, our final close up of her was a glimpse inside the mask. After Finn delivers his final blow to her helmet, we see the monster…but it wasn’t what we expected. Johnson explains what he wanted to show us, and how he ultimately determined what she would look like behind the menacing armor:
“It seemed like a really striking thing to just glimpse the humanity behind it,” Johnson said. “Originally, we were like, ‘Should it be kind of monstrous? What should be behind there?’”
Ultimately, it was one of the heroes who came up with the idea of what we should see of this villain.
“I think we were talking about it and it was Daisy [Ridley] actually who said it should just be Gwendoline’s beautiful, piercing eye,” Johnson said. “Just this perfect blue eye behind this metal monster. I loved that image.”
He felt there was something more disturbing in revealing beauty beneath that mask rather than ugliness.
Breznican points out that while Phasma may have been as beautiful and striking as Gwendoline Christie herself, if she returns, that might no longer be the case:
“…if Phasma does return for Episode IX, which is currently being written by J.J. Abrams and Argo Oscar winner Chris Terrio, she is likely to be horrifically burned and broken from her downfall in The Last Jedi.”
Rian Johnson made his choices with conviction, and his explanations make a great deal of sense. It is now up to J. J. Abrams, who was also an executive producer for The Last Jedi to take the ball and close this story out with Chris Terrio.
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Can’t wait to finally see a confrontation between Rey and Kylo in Episode 9. This is where all the clever planning of JJ and Rian has led us too. All the carefully constructed, trilogy spanning plotlines will lead to the epic fight between Kylo, no longer in need of a mask and Rey who has become incredibly strong in the force. Kylo might try to convince Rey to join him as his apprentice and Rey’s only hope is to search her feelings and focus on the power inside of her. What a fantastic plot developement! BTW there are already some leaked images how this confrontation in IX might look like 🙂
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And since he’s apparently the last Skywalker, he’ll probbaly just off himself at the end of 9, thus ending the bloodline.
The Skywalkers SHOULD end. Haven’t they caused enough shit in this galaxy? Pass the baton to the girl from nowhere.
Unless Snoke is not dead we know the outcome already. Becouse without Snoke, there is no redemption story line. And you know there is NO WAY IN HELL Kathleen “praying mantis” Kennedy is killing off Rey.
There is precedent in Star Wars for snoke living. Maul was sliced in half in TPM and actually lived as shown in Clone Wars and Rebels, adding a richness to both series.
It’s perfect. Both sides are in complete chaos. Kylo has no master, Rey refused him, Luke just beat him and he’ll soon discover his mother is gone. He’s truly alone.
Luke tricked him and then accomplished Kylo goal, killing Luke’s. Star Wars fandom is not better off. No OT character survive until 9 because Carrie is dead.
Luke tricked him and then accomplished Kylo goal, killing Luke’s. Star Wars fandom is not better off. No OT character survive until 9 because Carrie is dead.
9 is about time to shake the OT cast.
Yeah. So why is there a Han Solo movie?
Yeah. So why is there a Han Solo movie?
That is the question…there is absolutely no need for a han solo movie. It is made just because some hardcore fans can’t accept he died.
So they don’t want to put the original characters in their own saga, but they are making whole other movie do just that? I’m confused?
Yes you are confused. I was talking about Han Solo and the last time I checked it was the Skywalker saga (nor Luke’s saga either). All of the orginal characters were part of the saga in 4 or more movies. Han’s story ended, why is it hard to accept? Why we need more of him? The answer is we don’t need but we will get anyway cause some fans still think that star wars is only star wars if either luke or han or leia or vader is in it.(and LF recognized this)
Show me one example of a fan asking for a recastef Han Solo. Just one.
Because, it’s his backstory. It has nothing to do with han’s later fate.
Because, it’s his backstory. It has nothing to do with han’s later fate.
Chewbacca
I will bet you lunch that the original cast will be used in the marketing for 9.
R2-D2 and C3-PO survived…
While I can appreciate Rian Johnson’s freedom of creative license here, I just can’t help but feel this movie was one of the weakest additions to SW. Was it shocking to see Snoke die unceremoniously, without any backstory whatsoever? It certainly was. Part of what draws me to Star Wars is just the sheer universe building and imagination that goes into making the books, movies, etc., and I think killing off Snoke to say, “hey, this is different,” was a huge miscalculation on Johnson’s part. I was honestly really excited when Disney purchased Star Wars and scrapped the EU. While I liked the majority’s of what I read in the EU, I was curious to see where Disney would go differently. After the additions of TFA, and TLJ, I’m not really thrilled. More and more do I wish that Ben/Kylo, and Rey were Jacen and Jaina. The truth is, Star Wars fans had already had an idea about what a post ROTJ galaxy would look like due to the EU. That’s not to say change can’t be good, but I think that the current adaptation of events doesn’t really stack up to the stories we were given via the Thrawn Trilogy, Fate of the Jedi, etc. If you enjoyed this movie, good for you, I’m certainly happy that a segment of the SW fandom did. I did not like it, unapologetically, and my hopes are pretty low in JJ Abrams to save it.
I was excited for these non-prequel trilogy films because I thought it would HAVE to be about moving forward. It was not about “deconstructing the past films and ideas so that we can move forward”. They would be about “JUST moving forward”.
Our thinking is getting way too binary. “The original films did this… so we are gonna do THE OPPOSITE”. It’s overly and needlessly simplistic and predictable (at least on some level) and because of it, unexciting.
Each entry in the trilogy mirrors what happens in that entry of the other trilogy. And I’m fine with that. If done in the right way. They aped Empire in TLJ in the worst of ways. They just didn’t mirror it. Then – probably to satisfy those who complained TFA was just a carbon copy of ANH – they threw in stupid ‘curve balls’ to declare how different they are.
Why does there need to be a back story? He’s the bad guy. End of story.
Emperor had no back story.
(In 1983).
Maul had no back story.
Fett had no back story. Etc etc.
You’re right in saying Palpatine didn’t really have a backstory in 1983. However, I felt like the movies made it relatively clear his position of power, that he was a Sith Lord, if the emperor died, the empire died with him, and that made Palpatine seem all the more important, despite not knowing he was a wrinkly sly talking old dude from Naboo right away. Snoke on the other hand, his death didn’t feel impactful for me. I’m sure Disney will come out with something about his backstory in some fashion, but it would have been pretty satisfying to at least hint at his origins at some point during this trilogy.
I think most people could agree that Maul was killed off too quickly and was a missed opportunity in Episode 1. So two wrongs don’t make a right there. And Boba Fett had no backstory because he wasn’t a central character to the trilogy whatsoever. For whatever reason, fans jumped on the Fett bandwagon (myself included) but he was never marketed as anything more that what he amounted to in 5&6.
yes, that’s the point, the movies now have to explain every little fart of detail. Leader Snoke was the leader who had to die, so that Kylo Ren could get to the leadership. I don’t know much more abou Palpatine
sad but true
And I cannot blame you. A part of me is burned out of SWs, at least the NC. It is fine if others love it; I’m not a dogmatist to tell people other wise. But yeah; Legends, for all its faults; I felt did a better job continuing the post-ROTJ. Even if, I had issues with some of the storylines, cough NJO.
Really, I too was excited about Disney’s purchase of SWs and I got why they eliminated Legends, even if I was sad to see it go. But so far, all that I see from the NC is nostalgic pandering and virtue signaling in the form of feminism. Though, I’m not too stringent on that latter point.
The Last Jedi for me just confirms that the Story Group had no plan for this trilogy or if anything, a semblance of a plan. JJ Abrams did his mystery box thing and really didn’t talk much with Rian about the payoff.Rian basically did his own thing. Yeah, the OT wasn’t the most consistent thing in the world, but its characters I argue were. Even with the tonally shifts of the movie.
LF could have improved on that had they hatched a plan. It is especially embarrassing when you consider how LF wants to be like the MCU. Which is producer driven. Whether or not that is a good/ valid idea is another discussion.
Either way, I’m more or less indifferent about Episode Nine. Could it be good? Sure. JJ Abrams could produce a better movie. But with two movies in,. If others enjoy these movies, please by all means do. I’m genuinely happy for you guys. But for me, Star Wars has reached a stopgap. The films will be a case by case basis.
But as for the New Canon, I’m done.
There should have been some closure on who snoke was and where he came from – just for a sense of satisfaction, I think.
It’s clear there will be the expanded universe and Disney are probably using Snoke’s brief and unsatisfying demise as a way of selling novels, comic books and anthology movies. TLJ is when Star Wars really adopted the Marvel model – the 1,001 Arabian Nights, Scheherazade approach of one story launching a great many spinoff stories. It’s fine for characters like Fett and I dunno Bib Fortuna… but for main villains like Snoke – we should know where they came from…
As for Phasma, I think a lot more should have been done cinematically to eke our the rivalry between her and Finn. She makes him clean the toilets in TFA or whatever but the whole Phasma death – like the garbage compactor thing just looks like it’s a pretty squabble. I hope she comes back to dish out some pain on Finn in IX
There should have been some closure on who snoke was and where he came from – just for a sense of satisfaction, I think.
It’s clear there will be the expanded universe and Disney are probably using Snoke’s brief and unsatisfying demise as a way of selling novels, comic books and anthology movies. TLJ is when Star Wars really adopted the Marvel model – the 1,001 Arabian Nights, Scheherazade approach of one story launching a great many spinoff stories. It’s fine for characters like Fett and I dunno Bib Fortuna… but for main villains like Snoke – we should know where they came from…
As for Phasma, I think a lot more should have been done cinematically to eke our the rivalry between her and Finn. She makes him clean the toilets in TFA or whatever but the whole Phasma death – like the garbage compactor thing just looks like it’s a pretty squabble. I hope she comes back to dish out some pain on Finn in IX
Nope. No one knew who the emperor was. He was just the emperor. Then he died. There was no backstory that anyone but hardcore fans knew of.
What’s the difference?
Snoke was less interesting. He’s better off gone.
Phasma is also better off gone. IMO.
Nope. No one knew who the emperor was. He was just the emperor. Then he died. There was no backstory that anyone but hardcore fans knew of.
What’s the difference?
Snoke was less interesting. He’s better off gone.
Phasma is also better off gone. IMO.
Yeah but everyone knew the Emporer was a big deal because the writing in ROTJ like in the prologue made you believe he was. With Snoke he was just… there.
Everytime Rian Johnson talks I like this movie less. It goes from looking like master writing of tricks and hidden meaning, to just useless moves so Rian can say he was brave enough to kill Luke.
No idea what you are talking about
As far as I understand it seems that he has a favourite character (Kylo) and he will kill off any other character stealing the spotlight. This is why Snoke and Phasma had to go and Hux was made a laughingstock. I am not particulary fond of these decisions either, they make Rian seem like an egoist who isn’t respecting what JJ built up in TFA.
JJ created too many characters that would take the spotlight away from the main protagonist and antagonist who should have always been Rey and Ben. Snoke was just a generic overpowered emperor character which we already had. We saw how powerful he was in the movie Ben and Rey stood no chance at all, how else would you kill someone this powerful off AND have it make sense?! It would have been annoying and he offered nothing to the overall plot other than being the “big and bad supreme leader.” Now we have what I mentioned before as a ‘what if Vader killed the emperor and ruled the galaxy’ situation and to me that’s more dynamic than anything Snoke has and would have ever done.
JJ created too many characters that would take the spotlight away from the main protagonist and antagonist who should have always been Rey and Ben. Snoke was just a generic overpowered emperor character which we already had. We saw how powerful he was in the movie Ben and Rey stood no chance at all, how else would you kill someone this powerful off AND have it make sense?! It would have been annoying and he offered nothing to the overall plot other than being the “big and bad supreme leader.” Now we have what I mentioned before as a ‘what if Vader killed the emperor and ruled the galaxy’ situation and to me that’s more dynamic than anything Snoke has and would have ever done.
I understand that you have to remove certain characters but why would he introduce new characters then and why not have Snoke explain himself before he bites the dust. Why not say something like: He was a powerful, wartorn Jedi who barely survived Order 66 because of his skills and by tapping into the dark side of teh force. He hid in the unkown regions and when the empire came to an end he infiltrated the imperial operations there and formed the First Order. He wanted to destroy the new republic because he was afraid they would repeat the mistakes of the old republic. Instead the first order should bring balance. Back when Snoke was at the Jedi temple Anakin was said to bring balance but failed so he wanted Vaders grandson Kylo to bring balance. Bla bla ba, After 3 or 4 minutes of storytime Snoke gets killed. We now know why Kylo was pushed to be such a Vaderfanboy, why the FO exists and where Snoke came from and what he wanted. Now noone would give damn that he is no longer part of the trilogy.
The same reason why no one knew who the hell the emperor was in V. Who’s to say that he won’t be explained in other media similarly to Palpatine. This trilogy is fresh, give it time.
I can only repeat myself. The Emperor was created without any context because there were no preexisting movies or books. Snoke however is a new addition to a well established cinematic universe. He doesn’t exist in a vacuum like Palpatine did. It’s really not that hard to see.
So just because there was pre existing material that means the ST should be hindered by explaining itself to back everything up? That’s exactly why this film wants so badly to break from the past, because of logic such as this.
Of course this has to be done in a meaningful way but if you establish something like the rule of two than no other sith can show up. If you make snoke this big badass superpowerful forceuser than you better explain where he comes from. Because the thing is they gave us a shitload of information about that character but they never bothered explaining this things. You can’t just say “oh he was arround druing the original trilogy, he has wittnessed the fall of the empire” and not expect people to answer questions. Remember Rian and his stupid “Your Snoke theroy sucks” sticker? He was all up in people’s face how Snoke’s backstory was so enigmatic that noone could guess it right when in fact he didn’t even have a backstory. Well the secret is…. There is no secret. Wow such a good writer. Bravo!
When has he ever stated that Snoke had an enigmatic backstory? The only I thing I recall him ever saying about Snoke was that he doesn’t go into much detail on who he is in TLJ. And now we can see what he meant.
Literally everyone involved in the production (especially Serkis) constantly made Snoke to be this super enigmatic guy with. When asked if his character is more powerful than Darth Vader and the Emperor, Serkis said: “Oh, without question. He has limitless resources, let’s put it that way.”
Just browsing through the pages in the visual dictionary reveals how he wears an obsidian ring taken from Vaders castle, he has navigators help him travel through the multiverses, he comes from the unknown regions yadda yadda. And then nothing comes from this.
I’ll tell you how the character of Snoke came to be. JJ said to himself: let’s create a powerful nemesis. I have no backstory fleshed out so I will make it enigmatic. The next director can expand on this. Then Rian came along and said: Fuck it, I want Rey and Kylo duell again in IX because we haven’t seen this already. I don’t want to waste time on Snoke so fuck this guy, he’s a goner. Some comic artists can deal with him. And that was the story of Snoke the Confusing, who fell victim to two directors whith completely different visions.
Literally everyone involved in the production (especially Serkis) constantly made Snoke to be this super enigmatic guy with. When asked if his character is more powerful than Darth Vader and the Emperor, Serkis said: “Oh, without question. He has limitless resources, let’s put it that way.”
Just browsing through the pages in the visual dictionary reveals how he wears an obsidian ring taken from Vaders castle, he has navigators help him travel through the multiverses, he comes from the unknown regions yadda yadda. And then nothing comes from this.
I’ll tell you how the character of Snoke came to be. JJ said to himself: let’s create a powerful nemesis. I have no backstory fleshed out so I will make it enigmatic. The next director can expand on this. Then Rian came along and said: Fuck it, I want Rey and Kylo duell again in IX because we haven’t seen this already. I don’t want to waste time on Snoke so fuck this guy, he’s a goner. Some comic artists can deal with him. And that was the story of Snoke the Confusing, who fell victim to two directors whith completely different visions.
If this new trilogy Rian is working on elaborates on Snoke such as the PT did for Palpatine, would this be acceptable? Cause in all honesty we don’t know what’s going on with the franchise in the future, so I guess all I can say now is to be patient.
No it wouldn’t because Snoke was never given a satisfying death like the Emperor. Snoke never achieved anything, he never had a victory in the Sequel trilogy or managed to live up to expectations. If they built him up to be this super powerful entitiy over the course of a trilogy then his death in the sequel trilogy would feel even less satisfying. In the OT the Emperor is this looming shadow who’s winning hard until the very last minutes of the trilogy where his pride is his downfall. Snoke, without having achieved anything is easily killed by his mentally unstable apprentice who got bested by an untrained, noname forceuser. His death is so cheap and I don’t want to see the story of a guy who fails at everything (which is btw why I don’ think Kylo can carry a movie even though he is an interesting character). I would have been perfectly fine with 3 or 4 minutes of Snoke storytime given his surprising but unsatisfying death.
Amazing story!!! thank you!!! I really enjoyed it
Underneath all that is balance. Rey doesn’t need a Jedi trainer, and Kylo doesn’t need an evil mentor. They’re truly on their own. It also fulfills the intended them of this new trilogy.
Underneath all that is balance. Rey doesn’t need a Jedi trainer, and Kylo doesn’t need an evil mentor. They’re truly on their own. It also fulfills the intended them of this new trilogy.
Powerful light, powerful darkness. Let the games begin.
Powerful light, powerful darkness. Let the games begin.
They should go all the way bold and have it be a working evolution of the understanding of good and evil. Instead of them fighting It out in the next movie, just have them come to an agreement. Neither side gets too extreme with things [blowing up planets / starting Jedi academies] and they all live in harmony. Which is what the Force is about.
Yeah why not have Moldoran show up in Epsiode IX. Wtf is Moldoran you say? Well I am glad you asked, he’s a new character I just made up. Neither Sith nor Jedi of course. His parents are nonames. He had no training and doesn’t need a master but he’s like superduperstrong in the force but I don’t need to explain why. You can read about that in the upcoming Moldoran Comic series. All I can say is that Moldoran is truly his own and that fullfills the intend of this new trilogy where a storybuildup is no longer required because every inconsistency is lauded as an oh so clever plottwist.
Kylo? The Skywalker? The most interesting character in the entire ST?
Yeah, weird.
Interesting doesn’t mean that a character can fill out every role in a story. Gollum is easily the most interesting bad guy in Lord of the rings, there still needs to be Sauron though. How am I supposed to antagonise Kylo? He got beaten by Rey already, when she was untrained and held a lightsaber for the first time. Kylo is no threat to her. Besides I am not sure if Kylo would rather kill Rey or f’ck her. He might be an interesting character but he is the least terrifying villain in the SW franchise. The simpel fact that the trilogy can go in any direction after TLJ shows how badly written it is. There is no buildup, no direction where it is heading. IX could take place immediately after VIII or 20 years after. That’s how little structure is there which is really poor considered were heading towards the final chapter of a trilogy. This is how a television series works. Building up a conflict during a sesason, resolving it in the season finale and moving on to the next problem in the following season. But it is not how you write a trilogy of stories that are supposed to be connected. I can only repeat, the last jedi is a really good movie but a terrible sequel.
No one said he is filling every role. What are you talking about?
The fact that we can’t see where things are going is exciting and I can’t wait for IX.
It’s lazy storywriting. Like in the Simpsons everythign is reset to a status quo after every episode. The lack of communication between Rian and JJ swhich they so readily admit to is really showing. I think it shows most cleary when thinking about the “map to skywalker”. After TFA we didn’t know where the map came from and who made it and why. We also didn’t knew how Kylo knew about it and why he knew Lor San Tekka had it. Instead of explaining this TLJ made the whole situation even worse. Kylo though Luke to be dead after what happened at the academy. Luke went into hiding and cut off his connection to the force so Kylo couldn’t even feel Luke anymore. Such great writing right there, making a confusing situation even more confusing. But hey if you want answers just play the Solo campaign of Battlefornt 2 to find out about the map, buy the visual dictionary and aftermath,… Oh and that thing with how ylo knew that Luke is still alive. Well we haven’t thought about this plothole yet but it should be more than enough to create a Kylo Ren Comic series. Damn plotholes make so much sweet money. Why would you even care to explain anything. The Snoke book is already on it’s way, I’m sure of that.
They talked plenty, as an interview today in Collider and Wired states. Both as Rian was doing his thing and now as JJ is doing his. So tell me another bit of BS.
The map??? You are hung up on the MAP? It’s the map to the first Jedi temple. Kylo said they pulled their bit from the Imperial archives, which is where R2 got his, from the times he hacked the Empire on the Death Star.
If you can’t follow the movie, we are done.
Look I have never seen you say anything negative about TLJ. I remember talking to you about that Mexican Youtube who said that the Hux scene was too much liek Matvel and made Hux the laughing stock of the audience and you discredited her and ignored everything she said. She was 100% right but already then you couldn’t believe that your boy Rian can amke mistakes. Writing a Star Wars blockbuster movie should be clearly outlined and it needs to contain the most important aspects of the movie without needing to consult other sources than the movie. “The map to Luke” suggest that that it is a map to Luke, not to a temple. There’s never mentioned why Lor San Tekka has a part to the map and this should have been explained IN THE MOVIES. But I know that you are 100% uncritical of SW. I get it but it makes discussing utterly pointless. To me TLJ has flaws, plenty of them. A good movie but a terrible sequel. I suggest you read the review that they just posted on the frontpage. Maybe you will see in the comments and in the review that there are many people who are not as fond of the movie as you seem to be. A little bit more food for thought in terms of how amazing Rians writing is at times. With a betetr writer Holdo could have lived 😉
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I didn’t discredit her. I said I never heard of her and why would I take the word of someone I never heard of? She was a stranger.
That scene made me laugh my ass off. You can decide for yourself if it was “Too Marvel” but I laughed quite a bit about it. There isn’t a right answer to humor, but if it made me laugh, it was fine by me.
I guess I have to prove my credentials to you? The fun thing where a Star Wars fan has to prove they are a fan by talking about what they DIDNT like?
let’s do it:
1. The Canto Bight stuff was boring. I get the thematic and character reasons for it, but it wasn’t exciting. Them just settling on Benecio instead of the dude they were looking for was weird.
2. Poe’s failure should have hit him harder. His actions caused unneeded deaths and they glossed over it.
The rest of the movie, for the most part, I loved. he’s not “my boy Rian”. I never said he couldn’t make mistakes and I just listed two big ones.
You are making things up and should stick to what I actually say and not what you create in your own mind.
The map to Luke was pretty clear in the movie. Sorry you didn’t get. Han said he went to the first Jedi Temple. Use some reasoning. Not all of us need it spoonfed.
It’s not needed to know HOW or WHY Lor San Tekka had it. They didn’t explain HOW Yoda got to Dagobah in the OT. But you didn’t complain did you?
Oh, I am plenty critical of SW. I just am critical of actual flaws, not made up ones that I think are real because I didn’t understand the movie.
I totally understand people dislike it and I am not trying to argue they are wrong. But when I see the reasons the list and they are DUMB, I will speak out and try to get them to see the light. That won’t change the fact that they had a bad time watching it, but maybe they will understand it slightly better.
Let me know when you are able to argue like a mature adult and we can chat.
See you around, kid.
I didn’t discredit her. I said I never heard of her and why would I take the word of someone I never heard of? She was a stranger.
That scene made me laugh my ass off. You can decide for yourself if it was “Too Marvel” but I laughed quite a bit about it. There isn’t a right answer to humor, but if it made me laugh, it was fine by me.
I guess I have to prove my credentials to you? The fun thing where a Star Wars fan has to prove they are a fan by talking about what they DIDNT like?
let’s do it:
1. The Canto Bight stuff was boring. I get the thematic and character reasons for it, but it wasn’t exciting. Them just settling on Benecio instead of the dude they were looking for was weird.
2. Poe’s failure should have hit him harder. His actions caused unneeded deaths and they glossed over it.
The rest of the movie, for the most part, I loved. he’s not “my boy Rian”. I never said he couldn’t make mistakes and I just listed two big ones.
You are making things up and should stick to what I actually say and not what you create in your own mind.
The map to Luke was pretty clear in the movie. Sorry you didn’t get. Han said he went to the first Jedi Temple. Use some reasoning. Not all of us need it spoonfed.
It’s not needed to know HOW or WHY Lor San Tekka had it. They didn’t explain HOW Yoda got to Dagobah in the OT. But you didn’t complain did you?
Oh, I am plenty critical of SW. I just am critical of actual flaws, not made up ones that I think are real because I didn’t understand the movie.
I totally understand people dislike it and I am not trying to argue they are wrong. But when I see the reasons the list and they are DUMB, I will speak out and try to get them to see the light. That won’t change the fact that they had a bad time watching it, but maybe they will understand it slightly better.
Let me know when you are able to argue like a mature adult and we can chat.
See you around, kid.
I can’t see why it would be worth my time. I don’t really care speaking to Disney drones
yep.
Luke died as much as obiwan died.
It was perfect.
Obiwan disappeared for the greater good.
Exactly what Luke did.
Yes, and that worked for ANH. But then Lucas realised that there needs to be someone to complete Luke’s training. Enter Yoda. But now, we have no Jedi Masters and Rey is still untrained. It would have been better if Luke had lived on and then died in IX. Rey’s training could have been more fulfilled between VIII and IX that way. And it would have made so much sense to end the Skywalker story with the death of Luke in IX. So what are they going to do now…pull another Jedi master out of thin air? Use Leia maybe (but sadly impossible)?
“It’s time for the Jedi to end.”
Superceded by Yoda’s “pass on what you have learned” later on in the movie.
The OT is much less explained, but then, the whiny-old-fans were children, and they sincerelly didn’t care – and, as mentally healthy children — musn’t and should’t care about so many stupid details.
Johnson is clearly in shock with the backlash. It’s larger than people think. I was defending this until these last two articles by Johnson made me realize I was trying to save it in my head.
If you had to do these moves, do them in a cool way. If indeed Snoke and Luke are dead, you made them lame in the process. And managed to make Kylo and Rey even less enjoyable. They have the final battle between Rey and Kylo look cool with each other and maybe lovers.
Does Rey beat Kylo by doing the typical girl he falls for me plot device. Barf!
Rian Johnson justifying his moves and killing the possible fixes by coming out and saying this was intentional stinks of hubris.
And Pablo is seemingly being defensive online. It’s a sad day for Star Wars, but it can be saved.
“clearly in shock”? Show me where.
“clearly in shock”? Show me where.
Twitter.
Yes? Can you link to a specific tweet maybe? There is nothing on his Twitter that could make us think that.
Yeah, from the amazing 2nd best ever opening weekend, lol.
It’s Star Wars what did you expect. One thing I know for sure TLJ is going to make significantly less than TFA.
Yes, Star Wars, but 2nd best opening weekend? only 11% down from TFA? That’s an amazing number considering TFA was the most anticipated movie ever.
And NO DUH that it’s gonna make less. The darker middle chapter always does and this is the 3rd SW movie in as many years. Nothing will ever top TFA so if that’s your measuring stick, you are always gonna come up short.
Here, maybe? I don’t know. Between Johnson admitting he didn’t set out to make a film that would tick every fan’s boxes and the opening box office numbers listed, I admit it’s a bit difficult for me to discern the sheer horror he feels.
https://www.polygon.com/2017/12/19/16794986/star-wars-the-last-jedi-director-rian-johnson-backlash-twitter
That’s not shock.
Indeed. My sarcasm could be clearer, but that’s the gist of it.
You mistake your opinions for facts.
My opinions are:
that Snoke WAS lame. Thats why he was no one during the emperors reign. He filled a vacuum. But he wasnt as smart as he thought he was. He underestimated ren. And That’s why he’s dead.
Luke pulled off the most incredible Jedi mind trick ever. It was the opposite of “lame”.
Ren and Rey are even more interesting now.
It’s great times for Star Wars.
Loved TLJ. Ren’s more interesting I agree. But I also don’t care as much because our villain has been beaten twice now. He’s never beaten the hero. I’m looking forward to IX but don’t feel any urgency in waiting for the film. It feels like this was the equivalent of the Infinity War upcoming film, now I’ve got nothing to worry about because the biggest possible conflicts have occured and I know the heroes are going to win. If they flip the ball and have Ben beat Rey and let the FO win in the ST THEN I’d be surprised. But till then, I’m looking forward to IX, but don’t feel any threat is really on our heroes.
I’m pretty sure this interview was made before movie was out
I’m pretty sure this interview was made before movie was out
I’m sure he’s in shock after a 200m opening weekend. He’s probably shocking all over the place.
“You were the chosen one! You were supposed to answer questions about TFA and bring joy. Not destroy them and bring despair.”
But in all seriousness, I can understand how you are feeling. I still like Rian Johnson, but really I don’t blame people for seeing this that way. I felt a bit burned and betrayed. Much as I enjoyed TLJ, compared to Looper and Brick; this movie was subpar.
What happened to that director? Really, though, I like you where I’m just a bit indifferent with Episode Nine. Could JJ produce a better movie? Sure. Much as I dislike his work, I do respect his ability to listen to criticism and prove them wrong.
Time will tell if he does so. But really, the ST, for me, is in an uncertain place. And really, anything can happen. As for Rian Johnson, I do hope he takes the criticism he has received for TLJ in stride.
Especially, given he’s doing his own trilogy. Though, knowing LF they may become reactive and pull him away. But that’s just my dumb speculation. The Box Office dropoff and how much will be indicative of what will happen.
Either way, one thing can be certain: RJ produced one heck of a divisive movie.
Well now it’s clear they are just making this shit up as they go
lol, is this your first time? That’s always been the case, dating back to Lucas and the first trilogy.
They did have a rough draft at least which apparently they don’t have in the ST. Keep in mind that Lucas didn’t know if he could afford a whole trilogy so he didn’t plan this far ahead. You would also expect Disney to learn from mistakes of the past (Luke’s kiss, from a certain point of view, etc…). I mean they can carefully plan out comics and games so that people buy them to get that tiny bit of extra information but can’t lineout the main saga. Shows you were their preferences are. But its okay, I will get used to Star Wars being a franchise like James Bond with cameos and a loosely connected plot. I just had different expectations since even the PT managed to feel like it had at least been planned out to some degree before George started shooting the movies.
I agree with this! What is the point of the story group if not at least to create an overall trilogy arc. Surely all it would have taken is a good day’s worth of thrashing out of JJ, Rian and Colin (not now of course) in the early stages of TFA to discuss how the trilogy should go. This clearly never happened. Blind leading the blind it seems.
Literally no one makes movies like that. You make them one at a time.
George wrote on PT movie at a time and had to redo Anakin’s entire turn through reshoots.
But you believe what you want.
I am not talking about a step by step storyboard I am talking about mayor plotpoints. Like which cahracters lives till movie X or which character turns to the dark side. We had detailed descriptions for a Han Solo statue in our office already 6 months ago. My coworker finished his work on Spiderman sporting his new suit 4 months before the first infinity war trailer launched. These things take time, of course people are planning ahead. Do you think it’s coincidence that Marvel knows which movies are coming out until mid 2020 and how they connect with each other. Do you really think that Tolkien didn’t plan out major plotpoints of the Lord of the Rings before he wrote them down. Don’t tell me it is normal to make up everything on the fly. Even the original trilogy had some rough drafts and plans for the future even though Lucas didn’t even know if there would be a second part or not. Like really, how uncritical can you be.
TLJ revealed to me that the Story Groups are a glorified concept with no real influence. It is no surprise that Kathleen Kennedy wants to make Star Wars like Marvel. Agree or disagree, talk about quality of that franchise, but it is beyond evident.
But here’s the thing? Marvel’s continuity works because it is producer driven as in Kevin Feige. There is one creative force(no pun intended) involved to who puppets all of the directors, storyboarders etc. in making sure that each film is both A) unique and as faithful to the character and B) how it connects with the universe.
That said, The Story Group should have taken this approach. If they had wanted to do different directors, fine. But the Story Group, Kennedy and these directors ALL needed to communicate with each other.
Hatch out a plan. Even if it is a loose one. You are correct in that GL and him making stuff as he went along. It is why much as I love the OT; I argue as a trilogy it isn’t that good.
It pales to something like LOTORS or even the new Apes movies. And heck, if anything, LF should have just had one director filming these movies.
Because, yes; I still love RJ. But much as I wasn’t a fan of Abrams setup in TFA; he should have at least touched on it a bit more.
Lucas didn’t have major plotpoints and rough drafts mapped out haha. Learn some history.
Tolkien didn’t plan major things because when he started writing Strider, he was surprised where this character came from and where it led him.
Grasping, dude.
“Darth Vader betrayed and murdered your father”
Leia – kissing Luke passionately on the lips.
Count Dooku – never mentioned in TPM
The mystery of Sifo Dyas set up but never mentoned again.
Senator Palpatine looking old and drained in AOTC – but looks fine in ROTS.
So riiiiiiiiiighhhhhttt……
Most of the plotholes in the OT boil down to teh fact that Lucas didn’t know if he would be able to affort part 2 and part 3. And Sifo Dyas wasn’t the main plot of Attack of the Clones compared to teh freaking map to skywalker in TFA.
Leia – kissing Luke passionately.
And saying that she “always knew” they were siblings in RotJ. Ew.
Rian Johnson logic is just beyond our puny human comprehension. I mean it would never work for a master to take time to talk to his apprentice. There are more important things to dedicate time to like stuffed animals and milking. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7dabe615f4d53e8d14784b3643de6f87e6c6d4bd44c7d6ba9a58a53b751004a5.jpg
Yeah – cos they could have explained so much in the amount of time it took to show Luke milk that creature.
If you’re going to ditch masters and teachers and say “anyone can use the force”, at least have the common sense to admit that you have to be trained. Since this new redefinition of heroes is supposedly paralleling our modern society, it’s truly laughable that you wouldn’t need self-discipline and training [can you imagine modern, tech-dependent people using their inner powers without putting away their devices and focusing…something many are simply incapable of doing.]
Unless Rian/Disney are simply averting attention with a major reveal in 9. Cause if you think about it, you can’t really pull off a major I-am-your-fagheresque reveal in this day and age. Audiences are simply too clever for it. But if you can pull a fast one on people..making them think a character is inconsequential, it could be something close.
How many years of training did it take you to learn how to use an iPhone? A laptop? Did you not find you had the ability to pick things up intuitively? Or do you find yourself so mentally handicapped that you need someone to show you how to turn it on, how to navigate through screens? Etc?
My analogy there was that the tech is a distraction to any concept of discovering your true inner power.
I love every move he made.
Rey being related to anyone we know is absurd. She is no one. Like the broom boy. Perfect.
Snoke was expendable. I’m glad he’s gone. no explanation needed. The next film will be better without him.
Phasma was expendable. I hope she’s dead. Or at least I’m indifferent.
And most of all I love that grown “men” are upset at these things. It hilarious.
You know I have really been looking for justification on what I should get upset about. Please. share with me some examples of things that are ok to get upset about so I know.
Things to get upset about: war, injustice.
Things not to get upset about: movies.
Or comments.
On the other hand, I should see take it face value? She says they were nobody – what if she’s born from the force like Anakin?
Or, she can just use the Force….cause there are other people out there who can use it.
Phasma I want back because she was built up for something major and had no pay off and because wasting Gwendoline Christie twice is a travesty.
The rest I concede wholeheartedly.
Although we know it will never happen, it’s another way to let our voices be heard:
https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-have-disney-strike-star-wars-episode-viii-from-the-official-canon?recruiter=137336600&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition
If that doesn’t work you could always hold your breath and stomp your feet.
That doesn’t make much sense. Unless, I post it on youtube! Good idea dude!
Lol. It just struck me funny because I always see change.org as a way for grown ups to throw a temper tantrum.
The odds of Disney giving a fuck are approximately 3,720 to one.
Yeah. Do you have the odds of Warner Bros giving a fuck about what the fans thought about Justice League?
Chalk and cheese.
Justice League bombed at the box office. The Last Jedi is making bank.
No that’s not how it works. B V S did well because people didn’t know what to expect. It’s the residual affect.
Justice League has now made $235 million total stateside. To put that in perspective, Star Wars: The Last Jedi brought in $220 million this weekend alone. With that taken into account, a new report predicts that Justice League will wind up with a grand total of around $675 million worldwide. If Justice League even manages to turn a profit, it’ll be very small, but it’s expected to represent a loss for Warner Bros.
Rian Johnson should not speak. Ever. He is at risk of being murdered by the nerds he has now so horridly betrayed. People will kill themselves after this Movie. Those who have nothing but star wars to Comfort them with. And then he hands them this abomination
these people should REALLY kill themselves, but please, send suicide letters to Darwin Awards first, pleeeeaase
these people should REALLY kill themselves, but please, send suicide letters to Darwin Awards first, pleeeeaase
I would have ended Last Jedi like this:
Luke’s force projection is fine and allows resistance to escape
but instead of Luke dying, I would have the final scene (after seeing Luke drained and fainting) of Luke with green saber attached pulling the X-Wing out from the water (ESB homage) and speeding away, into Ep. 9
Crowd would have went nuts and appreciated the lead in for 2019.
That was one of my main gripes. As much as I was conflicted with Luke’s depiction, if it led to him walking forward and helping the new generation, cool. But killing him off, especially given we only had one movie with him, was such a bad decision.
Even if, I enjoyed that moment. Really, I have a hunch that Abrams is going to bring back Luke as a Force Ghost, or heck resurrect him. It wouldn’t be too far-fetched. But really, I do not envy Abrams in writing a followup for this movie.
I wouldn’t worry about the Luke’s submerged X-Wing. I’m sure Rey will be back to pick it up.
My thoughts exactly! I really liked The Last Jedi, but I felt like this was the START of Luke’s redemption, not the end. I really hope his force ghost has a strong presence in 9 to train Rey. Yes he saved our heroes, but IMO Luke’s diversion dosn’t make up for years of absence while the first order reins, the ending you described would have made me cheer, rather than scratch my head
Well if it was Plagueis he would have brought himself back to life right? He didn’t have to tell Rey who he was. Star Wars fans deserve to know who Snoke is. Nothing about Snoke makes sense. His ship shows up, everyone but the people watching the film know it’s Snoke’s ship. If there is one thing I think Rian screwed up is not explaining why Snoke wasn’t around for the first 6 films plus Rogue One. In my opinion Snoke wasn’t all powerful, he was just a putz, I don’t think that is what they were going for. How he survived and watched the rise and fall of the Empire is cowardly. Things have to add up for people to believe what they are seeing. Snoke doesn’t add up for me.
*deserve ?
Yes. Last I checked we are paying for Star Wars right?
So you want pure fan service right? I wanted to see porgs eating each other, and I paid for the movie too, so I deserve it!!
Why would porgs eat each other? Well I guess that makes just as much sense as anything else in the movie. Why not!
You really don’t understand what I wahted to say. Just because some fans wanted something to be in the film doesn’t mean it have to. It doesn’t mean we deserve it to be in the film.
All will be revealed in the next iteration of Clone Wars/Rebels, about Luke’s Jedi Academy, in which adults will be tempted into watching by the very slow drip feed of information over multiple seasons. No rewards will be reaped
His explanations make great deal of sense? Maybe to him they do.
I am happy with most of that except the parallel between Palpatine and Snoke. Palpatine was years in the making. There can be only two Sith – or so said the rule. So it is a natural question to ask where did this new Sith – arguably more powerful and older than Palpatine – come from in such a short space of time.
I mean enough time for an excursion to Canto Bight but not enough for 30 second explanation is a bit strange. Should be included in IX a little at least.
Snoke is not a Sith, so the “rule” does not apply.
Rule or no rule it is weird to have an extremely powerful dark force user that knows everything about the skywalkers and vader and yet was never mentioned. I like the movie – but I do not buy that 30 second explanation cannot be fitted in when there is time for other decorations. The ony reason to not cover this is because it is saved for another movie. Just be honest about it is my point.
I guess for me the galaxy is big enough that there could have been powerful bystanders who didn’t get involved in the specific parts of the Empire that we know about. Like you could watch a half dozen movies about World War II that only focus on western Europe, without mentioning what was going on in Asia or North Africa.
Rian missed the boat on some things when he was given free reign on a SW movie that has Luke Skywalker in it
I know some of you are going to hit me over the head about this, but I would have made a better film.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I expected that.
I mean.. if you’re going to make some outlandish statement like that, please.. back it up. Have a short story linked, an epic one, where you do it better. Or maybe just a link to anything you’ve written that could prove you have an iota of the creative talent to even make that statement.
I’m guessing the story will centre around Luke igniting his green lightsaber.
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Hope Phasma does come back in Episode IX. It’s not the character that is the problem, it’s her lack of screen time.
I’ve always found “Well if you didn’t like it, then I’d like to see you make a better one,” to be a pretty weak counter argument. I doubt I could do better than Rian Johnson, but directing isn’t my trade either. You don’t have to know how to make a product, to be able to decide if it’s a good one or not. Largely, it’s the consumers (who have no idea how to make a movie) opinions that actually push the people who do know how to, to make a better one.
Yeah, and the majority have spoken. We like The Last Jedi.
Kevin. Lol who is this majority you speak of? It’s a fact that this was a divisive episode. A decent amount of people liked it, and a decent amount did not. I don’t fault the people who did enjoy it, and I’m not ignorant enough to say the majority hated it.
Kevin. Lol who is this majority you speak of? It’s a fact that this was a divisive episode. A decent amount of people liked it, and a decent amount did not. I don’t fault the people who did enjoy it, and I’m not ignorant enough to say the majority hated it.
The majority are those who responded to every scientifically conducted poll that calculates audience reaction. Unfortunately, we live in an age where people believe whatever online poll reaffirms their beliefs. Online polls are intended to drive traffic to websites not to produce reliable data.
Also the majority are the people who only think about Star Wars when they are watching a Star Wars movie. Not us.
I agree with your definition of the majority being people who only think about Star Wars when watching the movie, and not us. I’ve known since opening night that there were people who absolutely loved this movie. There have also been a large amount of people who did not. Whether that percentage is considered the “majority” or not, isn’t really what I’ve ever tried to argue. I didn’t “hate” TLJ, I just didn’t like it. More power to all the people out there who did, but it just didn’t do much for me.
Also, I would argue that the majority of people who didn’t like this movie are the fans like us. I don’t have any numbers to back that up, but look around this website and others and I’m sure you would agree with me. TLJ will be a financially successful movie, I’ve never doubted that. I do think that Disney is 100% completely capable of coming out with a Star Wars movie that is enjoyable to the casual fan and more dedicated one.
I found this dialogue exchange amusing until you started replying to yourself.
Haha I meant to include that all as one comment, but messed up!
Yeah, what he said ^^ 😉
Please cite your sources.
Blast away at me, but TLJ ruined the sequels for me. I’m done with it.
I’ll stick to watching the BluRays of the original trilogy.
Mark Hamill was right. Rian Johnson ruined Luke Skywalker.
Producers were quoted as saying that the reveal of Rey’s parentage would be “incredibly satisfying”. Well, forget that. Two years of hype for nothing.
And Holdo was a throw-away character. Unnecessary. And Johnson was confused. He wasn’t making a Hunger Games movie (purple hair).
I whole-heartedly reject the notion that we had a binary choice of predictability or this load of garbage. Was Empire predictable?
This movie was a big middle finger to Star Wars fans.
It certainly isn’t the end but JJ will have lot of work to put TLJ into context. He started the trilogy and maybe he can take the few ideas Rian didn’t discard in order to do his own grand vision of what SW should be. There are still some cool scenes left like the throneroom sequence or Holdo’s suicide making TLJ worthwile to watch. Think of it as a filler episode in rebels. Fun to watch but ultimately not that important. The situation after TLJ is almost the same it was after TFA. Kylo is still getting his ass whipped by some nameless, untrained newbie, we still know nothing about Snoke, Luke is absent and Phasma is still a joke. So JJ will basically continue where he left off. Might end up to be a fine duology storywise with a cool filler episode in between 🙂
Rey’s parents were hyped by who? Actually, nevermind. Goodbye, enjoy your Blu-Rays.
I love that Johnson took Abrams ‘mystery box’ bullshit and just tossed that onto the fire. Not everything needs to be a some mystery. Of course, Abrams will just bring it back to being some great big stupid mystery thing. I love that she is no one, the daughter of junkies. It’s what she does with her life and gifts that is important. Not where she came from or whom she was born to.
Her parents are not important but some explanation of her skill in the force is necessary. Awakening is one thing but she also appears to have missing memories and yet some experience of using the force already in TFA. That needs more explanation in IX.
I think one of the reasons I seem to enjoy TLJ more then most here is because i knew going in they weren’t going to explain shit. You just had to take one look at all these overly elaborate fan theories to know they wouldn’t touch on any of that stuff, especially in this day and age of modern shallower and shallower movie storytelling. *Should* they explain how she can do all those amazing things? Yes. I hate to break it to you but they are not going to. You have to infer that she looked into Kylo’s mind in TFA and learned it from him because that’s all you’re going to get.
I agree..
The fact that purple hair comes up as one of your criticisms – shows me that you’re nitpicking. What would one of your criticisms about ROTJ be? – Blue Elephant playing keyboards?
Let’s all move on, what’s done is done now. I heard somewhere there was a Han Solo film out next year, that’s gonna be good, no problems there, right??
I think I’ll read the Han Solo Trilogy outside the theater doors in protest
I’ll join you. Had a very bad feeing about TLJ, and lets just say, that RJ did not disappoint me.
Anyway..I am beginning to see a pattern here, at it does not look good at all, so i doubt the Solo film, which is an absolutely horrible idea to begin with, will be any good.
And even if they are doing an Obi-Wan movie, they will props also screw that up. Like not casting EMcG for the movie..
I’ll join you. Had a very bad feeing about TLJ, and lets just say, that RJ did not disappoint me.
Anyway..I am beginning to see a pattern here, at it does not look good at all, so i doubt the Solo film, which is an absolutely horrible idea to begin with, will be any good.
And even if they are doing an Obi-Wan movie, they will props also screw that up. Like not casting EMcG for the movie..
Sounds good mate. I’ll come over to your country (I’m assuming you’re not from the US). Central Utah is a big eye sore. I think I’m going to have a big sign above me that says “#Legensiscanon”
Lol..sounds like a plan! Copenhagen, Denmark. And seeing as you basically live in the desert, you might wanna bring a sweater ;).
In the end, if you have to do THIS MUCH EXPLAINING for your choices, you wrote the story wrong.
Honestly I don’t feel like any of this needs explaining. I’ve be a fan of Star Wars ever since in was a little kid the 90s. Haven’t really followed much else than the movies though (except for having played a few of the numerous Star Wars video games). I haven’t read any comics and books, haven’t seen the animation series or anything like that.
Basically I guess despite being a fan I would be considered as having only a basic knowledge of the Star Wars universe. And yet, many of the things I’ve hear/read people ranting about made sense to me.
Look, the issue here isn’t that Luke died. I expected him to die along the way. The issue is that this film is supposed to be Act II of the conclusion to the Skywalker saga. What we get instead is the absolute destruction of the Skywalker saga replaced by a load of crap. I mean, remind me again how Finn’s story is some kind of Hero’s journey? They should have had Finn sacrifice himself and kept Luke around for IX. And I’m not saying Rey needs to be a Skywalker-but they could have at least had Luke pass a symbolic mantle to her.
Isn’t Kylo Ren a Skywalker on his mother’s side?
I was hoping Holdo is still alive. Seemed like an interesting character to bring in. It is like she was used just to grow Poe’s character. I like this movie and will see it a third time, but one feeling that remains is that any character can be sacrificed in order to develop the main characters. It is like Kylo Rens line is the story writer talking to you directly – let the past die kill it if you have to.
I would have instead killed off one of the main new characters. There are too many for them to manage anyway. It would have given a bigger sense of peril if Finn or Poe had gone down.
Holdo surviving would be hard to explain. I admit the idea is rather nice as in the little screen time she had I almost immediately learned to like her. Her sacrifice for the fleet felt both terrible and beautiful to me.
Sweet, it would be nice for Phasma to come back burned and scarred — and actually have a decent role to play this time.
Yes, my hope is that actually Phasma and Snoke (Darth Plagueis) both cheat death and return for the final film.
That might be the case. But I hope they’re both dead.
My hope is of the opposite. Their death are too easy.
They served their purpose. There is nothing more for them to do.
Poor snoke and phasma. I really hope they are not dead. I saw a very convincing and interesting theory. Snoke may still be alive and could have used astral projection in his throne room just as master luke did. Phasma could have survived with all that armor but I hope we get to see her all messed up
I’ll tell you who Snoke is. He’s Darth Tenebrous, Plagueis’s Bith master, except he’s all deflated now bc he got smashed by that cave-in.
Given what we know of Phasma from the book and comic, she needs to make some sort of power grab if she returns. Can’t just build up this character of ruthlessly seizing power from the dead hands of former allies, then kill her off without her ever actually doing that on-screen.