Late Changes Resulted in One of Rogue One’s Most Iconic Scenes

By now the stories of Rogue One’s reshoots are somewhat legendary, with stories that range from minimal dialogue tweaks to a complete overhaul of the entire film encompassing the gossip of the last year.  Until we have a complete retelling of the making of Rogue One (maybe someday JR Rinzler will tell the tale) it is mostly speculation based on what limited facts we have been given.  But earlier this week Yahoo spoke to editor John Gilroy who confirmed one big change that came about late in production that ended up creating one of the most memorable scenes from the film.

 

 

That’s right, Darth Vader’s corridor of carnage wasn’t always intended to play out exactly the way it did.

 

From Yahoo:

 

According to editor John Gilroy, the badass action scene was one of the key late tweaks arising from the film’s infamous reshoots. “What was added — and it was a fantastic add — was the Vader action scene, with him boarding the ship and dispatching all those rebel soldiers,” he tells Yahoo Movies. “That was something conceptualized a little later.”

 

 

According to Gilroy, the ending of the film wasn’t entirely restructured as the plans being passed from person to person to make it to Leia was always how the film was intended to end, but the Vader hacking and slashing his way towards the plans was added presumably to add some energy to the final journey of the Death Star plans, but also admittedly for a bit of fan service.

 

As Gilroy notes, fan service was important for the filmmakers. Aside from showcasing Vader at the height of his villainous powers, the film also revealed his home base, a lair on Mustafar. The castle was based in part on unused designs legendary concept artist Ralph McQuarrie dreamed up for The Empire Strikes Back.

 

 

Head over to Yahoo fro the full article.

 

 

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161 thoughts on “Late Changes Resulted in One of Rogue One’s Most Iconic Scenes

  • January 14, 2017 at 7:44 pm
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    That’s the kind of “fan service” I like!

  • January 14, 2017 at 7:59 pm
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    They shot 20 minutes of Vader footage and only like 4 minute into the film. I think his role was reduce significantly in the reshoots and as much as I liked that tease of Vader at the end… all it was was a tease. I am disappoint.

    • January 14, 2017 at 9:48 pm
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      Vader only had 14 minutes of screentime in A New Hope. He actually got 7 here, which is half. It doesn’t matter how MUCH screentime a character has, as long as their role is good enough to leave an impact. And Vader’s last minute or two DEFINITELY left the impact the filmmakers wanted.

      • January 15, 2017 at 4:50 am
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        The moves were cool but it was far too short.

      • January 15, 2017 at 2:38 pm
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        Are you sure Vader only had 7 minutes ? That does NOT seem even close to accurate. The Battle with Obi Wan, the invasion of the Blockade Runner, the ending pursuit of Luke ?

        • January 15, 2017 at 10:21 pm
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          Reread his post.

    • January 14, 2017 at 10:32 pm
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      Vader scenes could´t have more impact in this movie. He is the top monster of the end of the movie

      • January 15, 2017 at 4:52 am
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        More Vader scenes worked in 4, 5 and 6.

        • January 15, 2017 at 6:07 am
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          That’s because they were about the Skywalkers, this was not.

          • January 15, 2017 at 7:11 am
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            Its probably one of their last chances to ever use him in a movie, at least with James Earl Jones as the voice and it sounded like they had filmed 20 minutes. We all saw the scenes from the trailers that were cut from the film. I was hoping for a lot more like 10-15 minutes of him and a longer combat scene. I wonder how Garth Edwards felt about the cuts made.

          • January 15, 2017 at 2:37 pm
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            Precisely, a GREAT opportunity was lost here by only having 2 Vader Scenes. He should have been on the Death Star after the Castle scene.

    • January 15, 2017 at 2:50 am
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      I do agree, MORE Vader would have been better. Vader > Krennic ANY day. ALL day.

      • January 15, 2017 at 4:51 am
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        For that mater Vader > CG Tarkin

      • January 15, 2017 at 6:08 am
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        How many times does it have to be explained to you that this was a spin off and not intended to be about the Skywalkers?

        The more you fill in with Vader the less people care about the Rogue One crew.

        • January 15, 2017 at 2:35 pm
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          Not true – The Rogue One heroes actually seem MORE important if the vile Dark Vader is after them. The “Vader Rub” would have helped. As opposed to Generric, I mean, Krennic.

  • January 14, 2017 at 8:26 pm
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    I really don’t care if it was reshoot or something else,most important thing is that final movie is amazing,what lead to that is less important. I just hope fans will learn the lesson that reshoots are not a bad thing, it only means that people behind the movie care enough about the movie, and they see before it is too late how to make movie better

    • January 14, 2017 at 8:53 pm
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      this is one of the few times that extensive reshoots turned out well, making it the exception not the rule.

    • January 14, 2017 at 10:39 pm
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      The thing was that the reshoot were DISNEY’s reshoots. That could have been band, but turned out that Disney is brave enough to kill all the main characters and end the movie with a murdering frenzy

      • January 15, 2017 at 1:05 am
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        I read that Disney asked what they needed and they gave it to them. Not the “Gareth is pissed at them” of the rumors last summer.

  • January 14, 2017 at 9:31 pm
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    But but I thought all reshoots were bad. Was the Internet wrong?

    • January 14, 2017 at 10:36 pm
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      Whiners are all Mr Plinket-like. Mr Plinket is no cartoon, it´s vey real

    • January 14, 2017 at 10:41 pm
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      Whaaaaat? I thought the internet people were ALWAYS right?!!!

      I need to go re-think my life.

  • January 14, 2017 at 10:46 pm
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    I wonder if this is the last time we will ever see him alive onscreen? Jones can’t have too many years left and I can’t see him being shoehorned into the Han Solo film.

    • January 14, 2017 at 10:51 pm
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      probably, unless they have another flashback sequence in viii or ix.

      • January 15, 2017 at 12:13 am
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        I’m pretty sure the flashback scene originally contained unused ESB footage of the Bespin fight between Luke and Vader. They pulled it out obviously, but I always assumed that was because they would show it in full in 8 or 9. Hopefully 8. So I think we’ll see Vader at least once more

        • January 15, 2017 at 2:49 am
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          YES I am still SAD / MAD that they edited the Vader vs Luke ESB footage out of Ep 7 — What were they thinking? The crowd in the Theaters would have cried with joy.

          • January 15, 2017 at 5:38 am
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            No, YOU would have cried with the joy. Some members of this website need to learn that fanboys are the minority.

          • January 15, 2017 at 2:34 pm
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            Including Vader vs Luke in the Forceback makes the scene more emotionally engaging, as opposed to having Rey roll down a Bespin Hallway for no apparent reason. The moment Luke’s hand was cut off was the LAST moment that Lightsaber was in a Jedi’s hand — she should have seen that. Instead the Forceback was a hodgepodge of fire and water — with little emotional equity with the view. Vader vs Luke would have provided that equity.

          • January 15, 2017 at 5:59 am
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            Christ on a bike, believe it or not SW isn’t just about how many Vader scenes there are. Some fans don’t even come to Star Wars for the Jedi/Sith stuff as shocking as that may seem to you.

          • January 15, 2017 at 2:32 pm
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            Considering the crux of every SW Film (except Rogue One) is a Jedi / Sith Journey……

          • January 15, 2017 at 3:24 pm
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            “Except Rogue One”.

            You answered your own post for me…

        • January 15, 2017 at 5:38 am
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          I doubt they shot it. If they did, it would be pretty easy to include in the deleted scenes.

          • January 15, 2017 at 5:54 am
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            It wasn’t a case of shooting it – they had the footage, from unused takes in ESB, similar to how they used unused takes of Red Leader and Gold Leader in Rogue One.

            The idea was that Rey would be witnessing it – so we would see actualy ESB Luke vs Vader, but it would appear different/a new shot.

            I think the reason we didn’t see it in Deleted Scenes is that it will be used in Episode 8 or 9, when the rest of the Force Vision is shown?

          • January 15, 2017 at 6:57 am
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            I know, but I assume that Rey would have had to react to the scene of Vader and Luke fighting, so they would had to film that, plus they would have had to composite the footage, etc.

          • January 15, 2017 at 7:50 am
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            Ah sorry, I get what you mean. Still, hopefully they’ll find a way to work it in. I would have loved to see ESB Luke again, in a “new” scene. Actually, I’m even more excited to see Episode 8 Luke 🙂

      • January 16, 2017 at 8:28 am
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        I hope they use the same guys they did in R1. They have his walk down perfectly.

    • January 15, 2017 at 1:04 am
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      I’ve said they should do a several hour recording session with him saying every possible line they think would fit Vader.

      • January 15, 2017 at 6:03 am
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        You could have him in a studio for months and still not be able to anticipate the needs of a future writer.

        That said, didn’t he record his voice for a satnav at some point? They might be able to digitally alter that for limited appearances. In reality though, I’m sure someone could do a suitable impression. As much as I love JEJ hugely outside of SW, I’ve always thought he was ultimately replaceable within it.

        • January 15, 2017 at 6:27 am
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          Nope, have that gps voice – I think it’s…Matt Sloan?

        • January 15, 2017 at 4:01 pm
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          James Earl Jones, great as he is, is hardly irreplaceable. You can always find someone who can do a decent Vader voice, with or without digital manipulation. But I hope they will be using Jones for as long as he is at all available.

      • January 15, 2017 at 6:24 am
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        Just have him read the dictionary a few times with different intonations each time, throw in some Star Wars jargon, and Darth Vader lives forever.

      • January 16, 2017 at 8:21 am
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        I heard that was rumored for III but it was all BS. They could probably pick and match from his old films or use SW outtakes if he died before that happened though.

      • January 16, 2017 at 8:20 am
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        In the Young Han Solo trilogy he nearly bumped into him but it wasn’t a face to face. I’m glad that’s no longer canon.

  • January 15, 2017 at 12:15 am
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    I’m still a bit skeptical here… on the one hand, they are saying “look at this awesome Vader scene – you can thank the re-shoots for that”.

    But if the other rumours are true, then during the process of re-shooting the film, we lost about 15 minutes of Vader onscreen… I’d love to see the original script used for filming.

  • January 15, 2017 at 1:00 am
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    Interessting to learn it was a reshoot. The ending arc of the film feels the most well done and well edited imo.

  • January 15, 2017 at 1:54 am
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    I may be in the minority, but I miss the days when Vader was integral to the plot and wasn’t just fan service.

    • January 15, 2017 at 2:48 am
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      Agreed – Vader should have been featured far more than Krennic. But I’ll take what I can get and I LOVED his attack on the Rebels.

      • January 15, 2017 at 6:23 am
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        No, he really shouldn’t have. First, this is a story about the corners of the galaxy, a story about the ordinary people caught up in the Rebellion rather than the big three. Vader can’t be everywhere, always, without it making the universe smaller – a problem the prequels had. Second, from LFL/Disney’s POV, this movie needs to launch the idea of the anthology films, which will be exploring stuff away from the saga. To that end, they need to be able to demonstrate that Star Wars movies can sell without relying on the crutch of established main characters.

        • January 15, 2017 at 6:56 am
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          Vader didn’t need to be heavily featured, but he needed to be important. He’s now in a movie where he’s completely inconsequential to the heroes. That’s just…bizarre.

          • January 15, 2017 at 2:30 pm
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            Agreed. Vader is an INTEGRAL part of the Empire — making him second fiddle to Krennic just felt degrading. And let’s be HONEST here — without Vader in the marketing, this film could have been HURTING at the Box Office…….

          • January 15, 2017 at 10:19 pm
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            1. Vader was already a henchmen, He was second fiddle to Tarkin and gets berated endlessly. It wan’t until Episode V that he became a truly important character.

            2. This movie would have been just fine without Vader. He was barely present in the marketing, and TFA did just fine without him. The Han Solo film will do so as well.

          • January 16, 2017 at 11:37 am
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            You are Correct —- Han Solo film does not need Vader, it has Han Solo to be the “big draw”. For Rogue One, Vader was essential to draw in the casual fans.

          • January 16, 2017 at 9:47 pm
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            The Death Star and the Star Wars brand name were enough.

          • January 16, 2017 at 10:59 pm
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            The Star Wars Brand Name is strong enough to make just about any film a “hit” — but Darth Vader was ABSOLUTELY necessary to make it the Biggest film of the year. The “Death Star” is not enough — especially since we got a Death STar rehash in TFA.

            If the Rogue One had just been Rebels-R-Us vs Krennic, it would not have had the media-impact and less substantial box office results.

            The major Newspaper / Magazine reviews focused on “Vader is Back” — as did most of the “Morning Show” coverage of Rogue One. When you a Producer of the Today Show, you know that “VADER IS BACK” is going to bring Ratings far more than “Hey guys, there’s this Jyn Erso, she’s great…..”

            And the fact that Disney went back, last minute, and added the Vader Slaughter scene shows their think-tank also knew those 5 minutes would net the film FAR more millions — and proves my every point here far better than I can

          • January 16, 2017 at 11:06 pm
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            TL;DR Vader was added to look cool.

          • January 16, 2017 at 11:08 pm
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            If you think of it in that simplistic and dismissive of terms, there’s really nothing to discuss with you because you don’t “get it” in a broader sense.

            VADER is the most recognizable Villain on the Planet earth.

            His inclusion in the film was deliberate and yielded results far more profound than “looking cool.”

          • January 16, 2017 at 11:23 pm
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            “VADER is the most recognizable Villain on the Planet earth.”

            Proof? NO? Then stop.

            Just stop.

          • January 17, 2017 at 12:27 am
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            Darth Vader has been featured on more Merchandise than any other Star Wars character – over the course of now 40 years. And this IS fact. Check it. Also, the American Film Institute lists Vader as the third greatest movie villain in cinema history, behind Hannibal Lecter and Norman Bates. And I guarantee, if you take a survey on any major street in the USA, more people will recognize Darth Vader over Lecter and Bates.

            Shall I slay you with any more facts today?

            Its fun.

          • January 17, 2017 at 1:21 am
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            Statistics, please. You know, charts, graphs?

          • January 17, 2017 at 2:29 am
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            Let’s examine some past statements by Kent:

            “It WILL be confusing for a casual movie goer as to where this fits in the timeline.”

            Didn’t happen.

            “More Vader is always better. He’s like butter and, quite frankly, the sole reason the “casual viewer” will even go see this.”

            Not the case.

            “We have ALWAYS wanted to see Vader in his Rebel-Scum-Killing-Glory-Days — and instead Pablo & gang are more interested in pushing Krennic down our throats.”

            This statement implies Vader is lacking the marketing, which you are now saying isn’t true.

            “A Vader poster will sell more Tickets than Krennic. Sorry but true. Vader is the most recognizable villain on our planet and the most long-term marketable villain of all time.”

            Perhaps, but it didn’t hurt.

            “If he’s not a major character, that is a major mistake. Krennic looks great, as do the other newbies, but Darth carries the emotional-equity that can make this a MEGA hit.”

            It was a mega hit with him being barely in it.

            “If they want to bring the CASUAL VIEWERS into this Movie – Darth Vader better be ALL OVER this Trailer.”

            Vader was barely in the trailer. Movie was a hit, still.

            “You can tell by the new Trilogy and even Rogue One that Disney is AVOIDING the Prequels like the vile plague they are :)”

            That’s why Vader lives on Mustafar and Jimmy Smits was in it, lollolololol.

            Shall I slay you with more quotes today?

            One more:

            “An opening crawl is ESSENTIAL to the feel, aura, and narrative of a Star Wars Film. Period.”

            Wrong. Period.

            Hey, TUD, I hope this patches things up with this. Let’s say this earns me about…3 more LFL/Disney corrections 😉

          • January 17, 2017 at 3:38 am
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            ……..uhhh

          • January 17, 2017 at 2:21 am
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            And yet there is no proof it did.

          • January 16, 2017 at 6:07 am
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            He is second fiddle to Krennic b/c the Empire has to lose here. Better for Krennic to take the loss otherwise you would be crying about hem making Vader look WEAK and then if we are HONEST, that would HURT at the box office.

            They told the story THEY wanted to tell. And it worked.

            (And Vader was barely in the marketing, so don’t try that.)

          • January 16, 2017 at 11:35 am
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            Vader was a huge part of the marketing. He was on the posters and most of the “mainstream media coverage” of Rogue One focused on “And VADER is back – story at 11pm”. Without the Vader teases, this film could have been HURTING at the Box Office. Without Vader, the “average fan” might have stayed home.

          • January 16, 2017 at 4:04 pm
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            Sorry, that’s just not the case. He wasn’t featured on posters: http://a.dilcdn.com/bl/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2016/10/rogueone_onesheetA.jpg

            Here he is just a shadowy thing in the background, which tells you all you need to know. He didn’t speak in any trailers, just appeared in a quick flash. And yes, they mentioned he was in it, but if ANYONE walked into this movie expecting him to be a star, then this might be their first rodeo.

            Reality is much different from your narrative.

          • January 16, 2017 at 9:20 pm
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            He’s the most prominent Villain figure on that poster. And though his teases were short in the Trailers, his brief moments were the most impactful, talked-about moments in the Trailers.

          • January 17, 2017 at 1:45 am
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            hahaha, no he isn’t! Krennic is in the foreground in front of Vader. Sorry, not happening.

          • January 16, 2017 at 11:15 pm
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            Proof?

      • January 16, 2017 at 7:19 pm
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        Everyone is missing the fact that Vader destroyed the entire rebellion fleet as it tried to jump into hyperspace! That scene alone was epic and shows Vader’s skill level on a battle field. Then it’s just gravy to see him hand to hand! GIVE ME MORE VADER!!!! 2 HOURS HUNTING JEDI AND SHOWING US JUST HOW BAD ASS HE CAN BE!!! LOVE IT!

    • January 15, 2017 at 5:37 am
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      Like in Episode IV when he has 10 minutes of screen time and does nothing of consequence?

      • January 15, 2017 at 5:56 am
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        He does plenty of consequence in New Hope, or have you forgotten his major scene with Obi-Wan?

        • January 15, 2017 at 6:56 am
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          So that Obi-Wan can continue talking to Luke in ghost form as if nothing ever happened? Or how Luke was SO emotionally affected by the death of a guy he had known for like 2 days (and, like I said, never really lost)?

          • January 15, 2017 at 3:27 pm
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            No, because Obi-Wan is one of the last Jedi, and his former mentor.

          • January 15, 2017 at 8:54 pm
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            Luke’s former mentor? Or Anakin’s former mentor? I’m not sure which you mean.

          • January 16, 2017 at 4:07 pm
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            Anakin’s

          • January 16, 2017 at 9:49 pm
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            Oh. I can see how Vader’s scene with Obi-Wan is important for his overall character arc, but it didn’t mean much when he had just been introduced to BOTH characters. Not just one, but both. Two random guys that no one knows with a history that no one knows either. Luckily, later films fixed that.

      • January 15, 2017 at 6:03 am
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        In A New Hope, Vader captures Leia, kills Obi-Wan, and nearly shoots down Luke.

        In Rogue One, Vader strikes down a bunch of extras. In the epilogue. After all the heroes are dead.

        • January 15, 2017 at 6:59 am
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          In a New Hope, Vader gets no info out of Leia, kills Obi-Wan (only for him to come back immediately) and fails to shoot down Luke.

          No consequence.

          • January 15, 2017 at 7:14 am
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            Your contention is that Vader was inconsequential to the heroes of A New Hope? Seriously? He’s the primary antagonist of that story.

            In Rogue One, Vader’s completely inconsequential to the heroes. They’re all dead when he finally gets around to doing anything.

          • January 15, 2017 at 8:55 pm
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            He has no true impact in either film, because he fails in both. I’m just being fair.

        • January 15, 2017 at 8:40 pm
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          You forget that the bunch of extras that Vader strikes down passed hand by hand all the enormous effort and sacrifices the heroes put in that operacion. The scene is fan service, yes, but gives depth to the narrative telling the empire was very, very close to destroy the “hope”.

          • January 15, 2017 at 10:16 pm
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            Agreed.

    • January 15, 2017 at 5:57 am
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      This was never meant to be a film about Vader, which is why his scene at the end was probably unnecessary.

    • January 16, 2017 at 6:05 am
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      You mean like Episodes 1-6?

      FFS. We had SIX movies about Vader. Chill.

      • January 16, 2017 at 7:49 am
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        Ikr? It’s the Vader-obsessed fanboys that are to blame for Georgie turning Anakin into fucking Space Jesus. Can we PLEASE get over Vader?

        Please?

        • January 16, 2017 at 4:07 pm
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          I honestly don’t think that’s the case. one thing we can be sure of is George wasn’t often thinking of the fans or fanservice when making his films. Sure, he would throw us a bone with Jango Fett, but he did what he wanted to do.

          • January 16, 2017 at 9:46 pm
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            I disagree. He decided that Vader built C-3PO to help his mother do housework, and yet C-3PO can’t even BEND HIS ARMS. George was all about fan service, and not the good kind.

          • January 19, 2017 at 3:26 pm
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            George all about fan service? This is news to me.

          • January 19, 2017 at 5:59 pm
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            lol

        • January 16, 2017 at 7:06 pm
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          I don’t think we ever will, as the entire story arc revolves around him.

          • January 16, 2017 at 9:45 pm
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            It doesn’t have to.

          • January 17, 2017 at 3:14 am
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            They would have to change timeline big time to avoid. Which I’d be down with!

          • January 17, 2017 at 3:20 am
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            Or they could just stop focusing the Star wars mythos around Vader and the Skywalkers.

          • January 17, 2017 at 4:32 am
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            Impossible at this point…have to go forward or back to avoid it.

          • January 17, 2017 at 4:36 am
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            Preferably forward. Then again, The Old Republic is fun.

        • January 16, 2017 at 11:14 pm
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          No George is to blame for turning Anakin into Space Jesus. That was his own mistake with the Prequels.

    • January 16, 2017 at 11:13 pm
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      Same. I think Vader should have been side by side with Krennic and Tarkin after Krennic visited the Castle.

  • January 15, 2017 at 2:44 am
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    I love this. Anakin was always so flashy, sometimes causing more angst than needed. Vader could of walked through those guys, and gotten to the plans. But he had to do it so wickedly that it lost him time, and allowed the rebellion a defining victory.

    • January 15, 2017 at 6:18 am
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      It’s that expression of pure rage, the intention to cause as much damage as possible, rather than focusing on what is actually important. The scene is pure fan wankery, but it’s nice fan wankery that perfectly fits Anakin’s character.

  • January 15, 2017 at 2:49 am
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    I. LOVE. FAN SERVICE <3

    • January 15, 2017 at 5:36 am
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      Who would have thought?

  • January 15, 2017 at 4:50 am
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    Vader was so brutal I loved it. It was one of the best scenes I ever seen 😉

  • January 15, 2017 at 4:54 am
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    Isn’t it JW Rinzler?

  • January 15, 2017 at 5:55 am
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    By itself, the Vader scene is magnificent, but I can’t help feeling that it undermines the Rogue One characters a bit. We spend the entire movie with them and and then they feel like they’re brushed aside for a bit of gratuitous Skywalker saga fan wank. On reflection it probably would’ve been better for Jyn’s sacrifice to be the last thing we see before Leia.

    • January 15, 2017 at 6:16 am
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      It’s a tricky structural thing for sure. Yes, given we’ve spent two hours with the Rogues, you want to end on them. At the same time though, the repeated message of the film is ‘hope’, so ending on the plans making it into Leia’s hands makes more sense from that angle than ending up with our heroes dead on a beach. I can see both arguments, but I think the way it’s sequenced in the film is, barely, the better choice.

      • January 15, 2017 at 6:22 am
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        I think you need to read my post again. I included the Leia scene in my proposed ending. It was the Vader scene I am saying wasn’t necessary in it’s fanwank form. I think the star destroyer arriving and us seeing Vader on the bridge would’ve been enough to let the audience know that the threat had arrived.

        That Vader scene belonged at the end of Episode III, not here in my opinion.

        • January 15, 2017 at 6:32 am
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          Ah, yes, missed that. I still like that it’s a straight through-line though, from the hand-to-hand handoff, Vader striking down each faceless hero in turn, before ending up in Leia’s hands.

          • January 16, 2017 at 10:44 pm
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            Re: “Vader striking down each faceless hero in turn, before ending up in Leia’s hands.”

            The other interesting twist to that ending scene, for those who might see Rogue One before RotJ, is the fact that the end of that fight/chase+escape is Vader’s *daughter* who’s carrying the *hope* forward.

        • January 15, 2017 at 10:16 pm
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          At the same time, it’s good to know that Vader was being proactive, not just sitting on the Death Star letting his henchmen get the plans for him. HE was the one who attempted to get them back.

          • January 16, 2017 at 10:51 pm
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            Very true – and made perfect sense in viewers’ expectations of how the Dark Lord would react in this situation. He will take matters into his own hands

        • January 16, 2017 at 6:18 pm
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          Disagree completely…That scene needed to happen for many reasons and yes, it was a great deal of NEEDED fan service! We needed to know that Vader IS the enforcer and not just one to sit by and let everyone else do the dirty work.

          I still believe we should get a Vader movie. With him and the 501 Jedi hunting right after ROTS!

          • January 16, 2017 at 11:11 pm
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            Very true. It was essential for us to see that when push comes to shove, Vader will take matters into his own hands.

    • January 15, 2017 at 6:29 am
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      It would’ve made a great post-credit scene, because it’s more of a prologue for “A New Hope” than it is a proper epilogue for “Rogue One”.

      • January 15, 2017 at 10:14 pm
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        One does not simply relegate Vader to the credits.

      • January 16, 2017 at 9:17 pm
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        Dude – we would NEVER place Vader post-credits that’s supremely disrespectful to the greatest Villain of all time.

        • January 16, 2017 at 9:47 pm
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          …in your opinion.

          • January 16, 2017 at 10:49 pm
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            Vader will never be post-credits.

      • January 19, 2017 at 3:25 pm
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        Leave the post credits to Marvel.

    • January 15, 2017 at 2:28 pm
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      If it hadn’t been for the Vader Scene at the end, a LARGE proportion of the audience would have gone home disappointed. Me included. Vader trumps Jyn Erso, sorry, but he does.

      • January 15, 2017 at 3:25 pm
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        Bullshit. You do not represent the general audience opinion just because you think SW is all about Vader and no much more.

        • January 15, 2017 at 10:14 pm
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          Agreed.

        • January 16, 2017 at 11:32 am
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          I am good at feeling out the “general consensus” amongst the average Star Wars fans. NOT fans like us that are obsessed, but the GENERAL viewing audiece 😉 I saw Rogue One in 3 different cities opening week and the crowd ROARED on the Vader Scene. In Los Angeles CA, in Louisville KY and in Indianapolis IN. The crowed ROARED with delight on that scene — cheering out loud when Vader lit his Light Saber. I will repeat myself — If it hadn’t been for the Vader Scene at the end, a LARGE proportion of the audience would have gone home disappointed. The ending with Vader and then Leia gave us the “home run hit” we were all waiting for.

          • January 16, 2017 at 6:14 pm
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            Absolutely! It also tied in Rogue One and ANH so perfectly! It shows why he was so pissed in ANH and why all the rebels looked terrified in the opening sequence. More Vader!

            And Canine Turd Burglar….like it or not, SW is all about Vader/Skywalker. That has been stated many times from Lucas and the new regime.

          • January 16, 2017 at 9:16 pm
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            Haha Vader is like Butter – we ALWAYS want MORE !

          • January 16, 2017 at 10:04 pm
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            “I am good at feeling out the “general consensus” amongst the average Star Wars fans”

            Believe me, you’re not.

          • January 16, 2017 at 10:43 pm
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            Actually I am. I’ve been to Star Wars Celebration, San Diego Comic Con, etc. I was there when the Star Wars TFA Trailer was debuted and HEARD & FELT the crowd ROAR with joy with Han Solo came out and said “Chewie….We’re home.” I correctly predicted that without the emotional equity of the Original Trilogy Heroes, that Rogue One would certainly do WELL at the Box Office but not get near the heights of the Force Awakens. When it comes to casual fans, things like Darth Vader being in Rogue One DRIVE them to the theater.

            The Darth Vader scene IS the most talked about Scene in Rogue One — and the debating about it here on the board only proves my point even better than my own words can.

          • January 19, 2017 at 3:25 pm
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            ” I correctly predicted that without the emotional equity of the Original Trilogy Heroes, that Rogue One would certainly do WELL at the Box Office but not get near the heights of the Force Awakens”

            Everyone was predicting this. Way to go!

          • January 17, 2017 at 3:41 am
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            “I am good at feeling out the “general consensus” amongst the average Star Wars fans”

            HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

          • January 19, 2017 at 2:34 pm
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            Some people are predisposed to ROAR watching a Star Wars movie whatever it is what they see on the screen. I do not blame you, I envy you … I would love to enjoy every fan service scene as much as you do, but I cannot. Anyway the VADER scene in Rogue One was fine for me …

      • January 16, 2017 at 4:44 am
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        you’d have been disappointed in the movie without that one scene? That sounds a bit ridiculous.

        • January 16, 2017 at 11:40 am
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          Absolutely. Without the Vader scene, I would have been disappointed. The Vader scenes gave the film the “adrenaline surge” that it needed — and gave us the Darth Vader we had heard the dark legends about……
          No whiney Ani here.
          DARTH VADER.

  • January 15, 2017 at 11:44 am
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    The Vader scene I think will go down in history as one of the best Star Wars scenes ever. So for that fact, i’m so glad it was added. I guess I didn’t really think that heroes of the story were neglected, but I can see that now after reading some of these comments. That shows how good the editing and pacing was.

    I mean in theory they could have had a showdown between Jyn and Vader, and she sacrifices herself to buy some time for the rebel soldiers in the corridor get the plans away. That could’ve worked, and might have been even more emotional. (It worked very well with K2SO).

    Anyway it is as it is, I’m just so glad we’ve got Rogue One at all !! One of the best Star Wars films out there.

    • January 16, 2017 at 10:12 pm
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      That Vader scene was fantastic.

      Re: “could have had a showdown between Jyn and Vader, and she sacrifices herself to buy some time”

      The only logical way for that showdown to go-down…would’ve meant not much of a Vader slowdown. 😉

      Like a hot knife through butter, literally.

  • January 15, 2017 at 7:39 pm
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    There will always be some sort of fan service in the new films but I’m really looking forward to Episode 8 where it will be mostly new things instead of retreading on the old.

    • January 15, 2017 at 10:08 pm
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      Fans frazzle me. Some gripe about too many rehashes, then others gripe about not enough of same SW aliens. They want SW but not SW.

      • January 15, 2017 at 10:13 pm
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        Agreed. If fans get familiar elements, then the movie is a stupid rehash. if the movie doesn’t have enough prequel callbacks and old aliens, then it’s ignoring the older movies. You’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

        • January 19, 2017 at 1:57 pm
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          I think is all about if familiar elements are introduced naturally or not, if they add something to the story or are there just to make us “smile”. Example: R2D2/C3P0 in Rogue One (I liked Rogue One, it was just silly to add this scene, I would have added them on the background on any secuence, and fans could have realized after watching movie a few times). Vader maybe was there because of fan service as well… but from my point of view that was ok because made no sense to make a movie on that timeline without him or Tarkin.

          Another instance of stupid fan service: C3P0 was made by Anakin Skywalker and appeared in a while prequel trilogy and need to add a sentence at the end where all the audience is told they are going to erase its memory…

          You can add familiar elements… just need to be smart/wise to add them naturally… not explicitly…

        • January 19, 2017 at 2:21 pm
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          I think it depends on how familiar elements get introduced to the movie… In a natural or a too explicit way.

          For example, the R2D2/C3P0 scene in Rogue One (I liked the movie and the scene was short to mess it too much but I would have added R2 and C3P0 on the background of any other secuence, and fans would have realized they were there after watching the movie a few times).

          Another instance, C3P0 was made by Anaking Skywalker… that was too explicit, C3PO was introduced for fan service purposes and added nothing to the story… Lucas could have added 2 different robots…

          So is just basically been natural or explicit when adding these elements… some people would call it “narrative technique”.

      • January 16, 2017 at 4:42 am
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        I suspect complaints over rehashes refer to plot devices and largely centre around episode 7. I think most people groaned when they learned there was a new, bigger ‘death star’ and I think rightly so. Familiar aliens add a feeling of continuity although I think there’s been enough of those in the recent movies. I would though agree that it seems there are a lot of complaints about many of the elements of the recent movies, but that’s because you can’t please everyone and I think people tend to be more vocal about what they don’t like than what they do like.

        • January 16, 2017 at 5:31 am
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          They will always have things to bitch about. Even if they had their exact way others would bitch about what they didn’t have right. Can’t please everyone.

  • January 16, 2017 at 8:04 am
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    I still firmly stand by that if it takes a committee take make Star Wars great… I’m all for it. Disney seems to have generally gotten the formula. I hope they can keep it up. I’d be fine if they raised the bar even higher too…

    • January 16, 2017 at 11:44 am
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      They are doing GREAT thus far. The new films being crafted with the tone and tenor of the OT is a recipe for PURE success.

      • January 16, 2017 at 4:19 pm
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        Yes, because the OT is all that matters….

        • January 16, 2017 at 9:15 pm
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          The OT is the standard and far more beloved by the fandom worldwide. The OT does matter more than the Prequels.

          • January 17, 2017 at 2:20 am
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            I prefer the OT, but this is without evidence.

          • January 17, 2017 at 2:40 am
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            Evidence: TFA and Rogue One are clearly “built” with the OT as the standard. While Rogue One has a few Prequel Easter Eggs of course, the overall tone, tenor, and feel of the film fits the architecture of the OT. The OT is the blueprint for the new Films – as JJ Abrams and Kasdan have blatantly said.

          • January 17, 2017 at 2:49 am
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            Statement: “The OT is the standard and far more beloved by the fandom worldwide. The OT does matter more than the Prequels.”

            The PT was the standard from 1999-2012.

            You have no evidence which is more beloved or which “matters more” (a ridiculously subjective verdict).

            Of course the OT is the blueprint for the Sequel trilogy: IT’S A SEQUEL TO IT.

          • January 17, 2017 at 8:04 am
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            C’mon – seriously.

            The PT was NOT the standard from 1999 to 2012 b/c the fandom never embraced with the totality that fans did for the OT. The Star Wars OT impacted and changed popular culture. The PT – overall – was met negatively by the fandom.

            Everyone knows the OT is more beloved. If we want to “go there” — we can…. Companies such as HOT TOPIC have ABANDONED the Prequel Merchandise because it wont sell. Period. No one wants an Anakin shirt or a Padme doll. It wont sell. Hot Topic has RETAINED their the OT merch – which remains a bestseller year after year. Best Buy last Christmas had excess Prequel DVD’s in the CLEARANCE BIN —- while the OT remains a bestseller. At this point, its HARD to find PRequel Merchandise at any Retail Outlet — while I can go to the Gas Station and buy a Han Solo Pez despenser right now.

            If you are dont realize, by now, that the OT is more beloved — than you are blind to the majority of the fandom.

            I go to SW Celebration.

            I go to San Diego Comic Con.

            I immerse in the fandom —– and while not all fans despise the PT with the zeal that I do —- they are overall viewed as flawed and UNsatisfying.

            Don’t believe me – read the Reviewsof TFA by Major NEwspapers worldwide — and you will see how many of them mentioned the disappointment of the Prequels and how TFA restored the franchise.

            The OT DOES matter more than the PT because it is the standard by which all new Star Wars Films are made. Period and end of story. JJ and Kasdan agree 🙂

            *Mic Drop*

          • January 17, 2017 at 8:34 pm
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            *picks up mic*

            Hmm, still works.

            It was the standard b/c that’s where all the content focus was. Some fans hated the PT, but a new, younger generation of fans embraced it and they are the ones that will drive the franchise in the years to come.

            ‘Everyone knows the OT is more beloved”

            I deal in facts, not your baseless opinions.

            The Prequel DVDs have been out far longer and as pointed out in a different thread, TPM broke records when released on VHS and DVD. So yeah..clearly hated.

            LFL themselves have stated it is about 50/50 over which is more loved worldwide.

            Good for you that you are immersed in the fandom (gag). But I’ve been a Star Wars fan for 36 years and in that time, I’ve seen kids go from loving the OT to loving the PT to Clone Wars to the ST. Different entry points for people to get into it means people will love different things. You are out of touch if you deny that.

            Critics do not equal fans. Those are two different things.

            Well, too bad JJ and Kasdan don’t run Star Wars. You know who does? The Story Group and they keep the prequels as involved as they do the OT.

            All you have are opinions and nothing to back it up.

          • January 19, 2017 at 1:14 pm
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            Would Disney ever bought Star Wars franchise without the OT and only the PT? Would the Star Wars franchise be a success if they started with the prequels in 99 without never making OT before?

            So no, they wouldn’t… all the fandom base, young and old, are loving Star Wars because of the OT. Same applies for episode 7… or Rogue One.

            Is not an enough sample to take it seriously but I don’t know in real life a single person who loves PT more than OT… I am counting with me and people of my “old” generation but also counting sons, daughters, nieces and nephews that were born around or after the time “Ep I” was launched.

            Also look at people’s ratings… yes they are subjective… but good taste and bad taste are still exist… bad technique, silly dialogues or unnecessary elements on screen… these are objective things… you go to a filming school and the PT are only mentioned as a sample of what a bad editing and directing is.

            I cannot even finish a PT movie… I cannot stand long enough to get to the end of any of these episodes… if you or someone else love them, it is ok, I can tolerate this, but telling or trying to tell me OT is not the base of Star Wars (like it’s been for decades not only in movies, also for books, comics or videogames) is treating me like an asshole.

          • January 19, 2017 at 3:18 pm
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            “Would have the Star Wars franchise be a success if it started with the prequels in 99 instead of OT in 77?”

            This is an impossible thing to determine because the prequels were popular with kids, the intended demographic, just like the OT was. So yes, it might have been just as popular.

            I personally find the PT to be flawed and I love the OT far more. But I do know people who love the PT more and to pretend they don’t exist is silly.

            if you or someone else love them, it is ok, I can understand different tastes, but telling me the OT is not the base of Star Wars (like it’s been for decades not only for movies, also for books, comics or videogames) is treating me like an asshole.

            Then I guess I am treating you like an asshole if that’s how you choose to see it, in an immature way. I said the PT was the standard from 1999-2012 because that’s where the content focus was.

            “If you rate movies as good or bad depending on how much do they sale then yes, EP7 and EP1 are the best… ”

            Only a moron does that. But only a moron pretends that their taste is universal and no one else could possibly like a movie they don’t.

          • January 17, 2017 at 2:47 am
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            Even the Prequel references in the film look like they have been *WASHED* with the OT. For example, Bail Organa looked awesome in R1 — I’m loving him without the Prequel-Baby-Blue-Turtleneck.

          • January 17, 2017 at 2:50 am
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            This is nonsensical. They made his attire fit with the time period. That’s just good filmmaking, not a statement against the PT.

        • January 16, 2017 at 10:01 pm
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          Until TFA came around, the OT WAS all that mattered to many fans.

          • January 16, 2017 at 10:49 pm
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            One of the main reasons that TFA was such an acclaimed, beloved hit was that it FELT just like a direct continuation of the OT. The tone matched the OT, as opposed to the sillier, more artificial tone of the Prequels. TFA felt like going home again.

          • January 17, 2017 at 12:36 am
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            Yes, I know that. But no all fans. The PT has a generation of kids who grew up with them. But my point is that it’s a huge universe with many stories to tell. No need to whore off the OT or the Skywalkers ad infinitum.

          • January 17, 2017 at 1:20 am
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            Agreed.

      • January 16, 2017 at 6:09 pm
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        1 for 2 IMO…Rogue One being the bigger success in many ways minus the $$$

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