Star Wars: Rogue One Reshoots to Add Levity; No Truth to Audience Screening Rumors.

2016_Celebration_KEY_ARTTwo days ago (immediately after the news that Donnie Yen will do some Rogue One reshoots), there came a few rumors that the reshoots were being done because the movie was testing poorly with audiences. We intentionally didn’t run this story after we asked a few friends if it is true. These rumors can safely be put to rest now – the only people who have seen the movie are executives, who ordered reshoots to keep the tone of the more serious Star Wars movie a little more in-line with the other films.

 

 

Deadline reports that the movie hasn’t been screened with audiences, but only the executives:

The New York Post first reported the do-over on Rogue One; however, to clarify, there were no test screenings and rather a re-shoot decision was made after Disney suits and producers watched the initial cut of the highly anticipated first spinoff… According to sources, the first cut was lacking the edge that Force Awakens had, and the story needs to jell. The film’s December 16 release date will not be affected, according to one insider — and with Comic-Con fast approaching, hopefully the studio might be able to tease fans with at least a little something.

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In fact, according to Drew McWeeny from HitFix, Lucasfilm is said to be unconcerned with test screening the film at all:

In the case of Rogue One, what I’ve heard is that they are not test-screening the film at all, nor do they have any plans to test screen the film. Everything that’s being done is being done because Lucasfilm and Disney screened the film internally, discussed it with Gareth Edwards, and then came up with a plan to figure out how to land every punch that the film means to throw. I hear that the film right now is good, but they want great. They don’t want to launch the Star Wars Story brand with a good film; they want to launch it with a film that is embraced warmly by fandom, a film that proves that you don’t have to tell the main Skywalker story to do something great in the larger Star Wars universe.

This explains the recent announcement to push Godzilla 2 back a bit. Edwards will no doubt be working right up to the moment he delivers Rogue One for release, which isn’t unusual for a Star Wars film. JJ Abrams and his team were making pretty massive creative decisions about the movie right up until the moment the film had to lock print no matter what. In fact, every Star Wars film has taken advantage of some degree of additional photography, and George Lucas was careful to build in time for that after he finished his first cut of each of the prequels. Regardless of how well you think that worked out, Lucas did that because he could, and because he had faith that he could add value to the films using that extra shooting time.

So that’s one big concern out of the way – the HitFix piece goes on to say that if they were really concerned with the movie’s quality, then the reshoots would be longer and more hasty in nature.

 

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The next part is bound to be a little bit contentious with some fans – if you were hoping for a bleak, unrelenting Star Wars movie that would resemble Warhammer 40,000 in terms of grim-darkness, well, that’s where the rest of the report comes in. The Hollywood Reporter states that the reshoots are being done in part to make sure the movie feels a little less like Saving Private Ryan and a little more like the other Star Wars films:

Much of the cast and director Gareth Edwards will regroup in mid-June for another round of shooting. The move is happening after execs screened the film and felt it was tonally off with what a “classic” Star Wars movie should feel like… The goal of the reshoots will be to lighten the mood, bring some levity into the story and restore a sense of fun to the adventure.

It should be noted, however, that THR is also reporting that the initial cut was good, and that the reshoots are to make it great. Personally, I’m not too concerned with the movie being changed in order to be more in-line with the other Star Wars films. If Lucasfilm and Gareth Edwards have had long discussions about where they want to take the movie, then I’m sure they can find a good way to balance light moments with an overall grittier take on the setting.

 

One other thing to note is that THR’s sources say that the movie ends just before the events of A New Hope, meaning that Rogue One‘s story is in pretty close proximity to the original film as far as the timeline goes. (Makes sense, considering that the Rebel Alliance had just scored their first major victory, and there wouldn’t be too much time to juggle the plans.)

 

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There’s also a little matter regarding the content of the reshoots, particularly with an important character, according to a Variety reporter…

 

 

So… yeah. If I had to guess, Darth Vader is probably gonna get a bit of a boost out of these reshoots, and there’s no way to really look at that in a negative light. I wouldn’t be surprised if the next trailer’s “Chewie… We’re home!” moment would reveal his presence in the film. (Some are also looking at a possible Han Solo cameo, but I’m pretty skeptical, considering that Alden Ehrenreich is playing a young version of the character instead of a character as old as Han was in A New Hope.)

 

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Grant has been a fan of Star Wars for as long as he can remember, having seen every movie on the big screen. When he’s not hard at work with his college studies, he keeps himself busy by reporting on all kinds of Star Wars news for SWNN and general movie news on the sister site, Movie News Net. He served as a frequent commentator on SWNN’s The Resistance Broadcast.

Grant Davis (Pomojema)

Grant has been a fan of Star Wars for as long as he can remember, having seen every movie on the big screen. When he’s not hard at work with his college studies, he keeps himself busy by reporting on all kinds of Star Wars news for SWNN and general movie news on the sister site, Movie News Net. He served as a frequent commentator on SWNN’s The Resistance Broadcast.

275 thoughts on “Star Wars: Rogue One Reshoots to Add Levity; No Truth to Audience Screening Rumors.

  • June 1, 2016 at 4:36 pm
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    It’s a shame that too many of the geek websites have run with this rumor of “Rogue One in Crisis” as if it’s fact.
    Only a few ( such as John Campea in his latest podcast episode ) have rightly stated that we should take the story ( originating in a tacky british tabloid website ) with a huge dose of salt.
    Thanks goodness also for SWNN for setting the record straight.

    It’s amazing how many so-called fans are not aware that reshoots ( pick-ups ) are part and parcel of many, many major movies. If the pick-ups mean we are in for a tighter, better crafted movie in Rogue One, so be it.

    • June 1, 2016 at 6:06 pm
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      I hate it when people Quote Campea or Harloff in their comments and act like they are the ones who are an expert.. when you said that ” it’s amazing how many so- called fans are not aware that reshoots are bla b la bla” I had to shake my head and laugh, because that whole paragraph might as well be a complete John Campea quote that you are basically just repeating after you heard him say it on Jedi Council or his other pod cast and now are acting like you are the one ” in the know”…lmao…get real buddy.
      and btw….it is not amazing.it is actually normal reality dude..not a lot of people follow Hollywood and how things work in the movie business, this might be a shock to you…but most people just go to the movie theater and watch the film for the sake of watching the film and don’t bother with the corporate Hollywood details of how the shit is made…don’t get on here and pretend to be a pro just because you know how to google search or type Collider Jedi Council in the search bar of Youtube. Congrats on being a google scholar.

      • June 1, 2016 at 6:23 pm
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        Lol, You’re hilarious! Discussing or exchanging ideas/different viewpoints with you would be pointless, but you’ve certainly given me a belly laugh today, so THANK YOU and God Bless.

        • June 1, 2016 at 7:05 pm
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          I totally read that hearing John Campea’s voice in my head as I read each sentence . I think you may be Campea incognito. You suck at using an alias John! but Jooooooooohn!

          • June 1, 2016 at 7:23 pm
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            Thanks, you must be a fan, clearly.

  • June 1, 2016 at 4:46 pm
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    It sounds like R1 wasn’t in trouble at all. But it might be now.

    • June 1, 2016 at 4:51 pm
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      Why do you say so?

      • June 1, 2016 at 5:36 pm
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        I mean: Maybe it’s not a good thing to have the suits come in and change the movie so that its more “like other Star Wars movies”. These suit types are mostly concerned with maximum profit: tickets, toys, etc. Sounds kinda like they’re playing it safe. Making it more “fun” might actually be detracting from the movie. Just speculation of course.

        • June 1, 2016 at 6:45 pm
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          What if Gareth Edwards has created a film that is too heavy, that takes itself too seriously? Remember, even the darkest of tales need a pinch of optimism in them, or otherwise they become unbearable to watch. Rogue One is still going to be primarly a war film, but these reshoots are most likely going to make it a bit lighter. It won’t become a comedy, I can guarantee that. 😉

    • June 1, 2016 at 5:21 pm
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      Comment makes no sense…

      • June 1, 2016 at 5:40 pm
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        A very constructive critique.
        What I mean is: it’s possible that these execs are coming in and nerfing the movie. Make it more like “Classic” Star Wars. Because that’s what JJ did (for better or worse) and it made a jillion dollars. Not necessarily a good thing.

        • June 1, 2016 at 6:31 pm
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          It could also just be Lucasfilm wanting a consistent tone for their brand.

          • June 1, 2016 at 9:16 pm
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            If so, then half the point of doing these anthology movies was just nerfed as well.

          • June 2, 2016 at 12:13 am
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            How so? Consistency doesn’t necessarily mean the same. It’s possible to tell a Star Wars story with it’s own tone while still keeping the Star Wars feel to it. The Death Troopers novel is a good example. Zombie/Horror yet still very Star Wars. Levity is also a situational thing. Depending on it’s use and the context of the scenes, it may be needed to keep it from getting too intense in places. It wont be Star Wars if they alienate a large chunk of the audience by going too “Private Ryan” with things.

  • June 1, 2016 at 5:03 pm
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    They’re not talking about a Vader cameo, they’re talking about Solo.

    Solo aside (I’m not opening that can of worms) I’m not sure how I feel about this. I AM up for a more adventure movie tone. I don’t want teenage grimdark wankery. Gritty is fine, but I don’t want fucking Gears of War. At the same time tinkering right down to the wire could be why some of TFA felt rushed and like it was using narrative jump-cuts. I’m a fan of the movie but there are weak areas (the Resistance base, Hosnian Prime).

    • June 1, 2016 at 5:54 pm
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      Han Solo knew nothing about the Death Star and was clueless about it until he was caught in it’s tractor beam in episode 4.Han and Jyn having a past makes no sense at all, considering Jyn was never mentioned in the entire trilogy, I am assuming she has a heroes death…Considering the events of this film will lead right up to the beginning scene in Episode 4, where Han and Chewie are on tatooine, Han didn’t seem to heart broken… besides that.. the new Han Solo is going to be a young Han Solo.This is too close and tied right in with the Harrison Ford era older Han character. He is not going to be in this Film. They are obviously adding more Vader scenes.

      • June 1, 2016 at 6:05 pm
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        Mads Mikkelson gave away that we’d see some back story of him with a younger Jyn. We know Jyn has a criminal background. She could easily have crossed paths with Solo somewhere along the way. You’re right it doesn’t make sense to have a recast Solo days before episode 4 but that’s not what I’m suggesting.

        • June 1, 2016 at 6:31 pm
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          This… A younger Jyn could have easily had a run in with a younger Han long before the events of the movie. It all depends on how it’s done. They shouldn’t be too significant to each other but having been acquaintances in the distant past would be just fine and give a different perspective to both characters journeys.

          • June 1, 2016 at 7:03 pm
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            Yeah, I think it makes sense from a character and timeline perspective. Whether they can find a good reason for it to happen in the plot of the movie I’m less sure of.

          • June 2, 2016 at 12:15 am
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            This is my concern. Having him peripherally associated with her a decade or more ago is different than having him pal around with her as they were growing up. Peripherally is fine, too much is too much though.

          • June 2, 2016 at 12:49 am
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            Even peripherally, while logically consistent, seems irrelevant to the plot of the movie.

          • June 2, 2016 at 8:31 am
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            Depends on how it’s done. Depends on how Hans used. Depends on the context. Lots of depends. Personally I think it’s just a rumor.

          • June 2, 2016 at 8:33 am
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            Definitely just a rumor, although it wouldn’t surprise me if its true. I’m with you — 100% reserving judgment until I know more.

          • June 2, 2016 at 6:26 pm
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            Honestly, having him as an unnamed side character that she encounters in a flashback wouldn’t be too bad. Even him being introduced as Han, as long as it’s kept as a side thing IMO. It;s her story. Let it be her story. There’s plenty of connection without forcing things. That said, I enjoyed 7 and am looking forward to this. I think Kennedy has a solid grasp on whats best for the brand and company as a whole so we’ll see.

          • June 2, 2016 at 6:43 pm
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            Totally agree.

            We know Han has a taste for feisty, strong women. I can totally see how they could have been involved. I can’t quite see how they’ll make it relevant to the plot but hey, we don’t even know if it’s happening yet.

        • June 1, 2016 at 7:00 pm
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          well hmmm, I gotcha

      • June 1, 2016 at 6:26 pm
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        One of the few ways they could screw this up is to have a Han cameo.

      • June 1, 2016 at 6:33 pm
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        I hope you’re right. Han showing up (non-Ford Han especially) would be jarring i think.

        But I kinda thought the same thing about the last minute-ish Spidey addition to Civil War, and that turned out pretty good. I’m still hoping for no Solo in R1. Unless it somehow makes the movie way better and is not a commercial for the Han movie.

      • June 1, 2016 at 7:18 pm
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        “Han and Jyn having a past makes no sense at all, considering Jyn was never mentioned in the entire trilogy”

        Come on, that’s ridiculous. I’ve known my wife since 1987 and I bet she could come up with the name of someone she was friends with who I’ve never heard her mention before. We know very, very little about anything Han Solo did before Obiwan and Luke sat down with him at the cantina.

      • June 1, 2016 at 8:54 pm
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        Oh, of COURSE he’s heartbroken. That’s why he’s a cynic covering his heart of gold in SW – Disney won’t be able to help themselves from making Han’s character the result of losing a (unobtainable – gotta keep those tween girls happy) smarter, better, tougher, funnier woman.

        • June 1, 2016 at 11:15 pm
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          Idiot

          • June 1, 2016 at 11:21 pm
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            Come at me, bro. I fucking DARE you, Pig.

        • June 2, 2016 at 1:16 pm
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          If they go that route, I hope they make her more belivable like his first love Bria Tharen from the Han Solo trilogy than another Mary Sue but they won’t since she was a former addict and low level grifter who won’t pass the focus group.

  • June 1, 2016 at 5:22 pm
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    I personally am glad they are adding some levity to the movie. It should be there. That is Star Wars, in my opinion. All Star Wars films should FEEL like Star Wars films. This was the one thing I was worried about with Rogue One… that it would be too gritty and not feel like a fun film… sorta like Batman v. Superman. Cool effects and such, but it wasn’t fun to watch.

    • June 1, 2016 at 6:24 pm
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      Exactly. Star Wars is not dark. It is light-hearted fun with a mystical edge. Make it too dark and it ceases to be Star Wars and it becomes Alien or Blade Runner.

      • June 2, 2016 at 1:02 am
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        What did you guys think of Revenge of the Sith? I don’t think Rogue One was going to be darker than that.

      • June 2, 2016 at 1:14 pm
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        It isn’t but I’d like to see them change the tone for the spinoffs so we don’t know what we are getting. Be it a light comedy like GOTG or something heavier.

  • June 1, 2016 at 5:23 pm
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    The fact that Page Six (Page f’ing Six) was the main source behind this was a huge red flag for me. New York tabloids at it’s finest. Once I saw Jon Campea going off on Twitter about shoddy reporting and web sites insighting panic, I knew not to take the report seriously.

    • June 1, 2016 at 8:51 pm
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      Jon Campea can eat glass.

      • June 2, 2016 at 4:42 am
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        So can you.

        • June 2, 2016 at 10:19 am
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          No thanks, I’m full. =)

  • June 1, 2016 at 5:24 pm
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    I don’t like their reasoning behind the reshooting.
    Making it more like “Real Star Wars” is not a good thing.
    Let the anthologies be there own thing.

  • June 1, 2016 at 5:39 pm
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    “The goal of the reshoots will be to lighten the mood, bring some levity into the story and restore a sense of fun to the adventure.” made me cringe. same thing reportedly happened to Sucide Squad.. why everything needs to be fun and light in today’s blockbuster industry? I really enjoyed the overwhelming darkness of Batman Vs Superman, makes me really sad that audience (or is it more the execs, critics and white collars?) rejected it.

    I guess there goes the promise of making R1 a SW’s “Saving Private Ryan”..

    • June 1, 2016 at 5:42 pm
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      There’s a reason for that. It’s because if it goes too dark without any of the classic Star Wars elements, there’s little lighten up the mood because the only thing we’re seeing is bleakness without any sense of humor, without anyone to care about. Using a balance between these two can ensure a more enjoyable experience for the viewers.

      • June 1, 2016 at 5:49 pm
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        I get it, but look at say, Dark Knight Trilogy, probably the most universally aclaimed blockbuster franchise of the 21st century so far… It was super dark and heavy, yet everyone enjoyed it because they were great movies. Now, is Edwards a director of Nolan’s magnitude? Of course not, hardly anyone is, but still it shows that movies can be both heavy and highly entertaining.

        • June 1, 2016 at 6:02 pm
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          It was dark, yes, but at same time we knew that there was hope for the people involved in it. As long as you can have characters to care about, then you’ll be guaranteed to have something successful.

    • June 1, 2016 at 5:48 pm
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      Are you kidding? Every, and I mean EVERY, sequel to anything is always touted as being “darker” like it’s an unqualified virtue. Unrelenting grimness is for teenagers who want to believe they’re watching something grown up.

      • June 1, 2016 at 5:54 pm
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        yea cool go back to your “cute boyfriend on Jakku” and burping Rathaar moments in TFA and have a blast then

        • June 1, 2016 at 6:11 pm
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          I’ll take those over faux-serious grimdark, Gears of War in Star Wars sure.

          Listen, I’m up for this being a war movie. I’m up for this being as downbeat as Empire, or even a little more so. I’m not up for it being a humorless teenage videogame war fantasy.

          Reshooting to add levity could be bad, sure. Jesus, they could be adding a Jar Jar-like comedy character. It could also be just fine tuning the tone of the movie so it works better. Let’s hope it’s the latter, eh?

    • June 1, 2016 at 7:55 pm
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      The new Disney ‘Star Wars” movies are a money grab…we will never really get the films that we all would love to have. Not saying Lucas would have done it all perfect.

      The way they are grinding out stories, movies and killed the original EU fanbase…we are looking at over saturation of SW. Which is not a good thing over time. Quality is going to suffer and the fans will be fed familiar stories with politically correct themes and cast. A human of every race and color will be in every film just becasue everyone should be represented in a SW film…how did i end up on this soap box????lol

      oh well, sorry for the dragging comment

      • June 2, 2016 at 2:38 am
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        > A human of every race and color will be in every film

        One black guy in TFA, 2 asian guys in Rogue One, 1 asian lady in Ep VIII. Right, I see exactly what you mean. That’s literally one human of every race in every film.

        And the EU wasn’t a prime example of “grinding out stories” and “over saturation”? Really? Tell me more.

        • June 2, 2016 at 5:09 am
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          Do you really need me to run down the cast??? Not acknowledging that until you check it out before responding.

          EU was never oversaturated….it was the only available SW material for years and what keep SW going from 83 until TPM. And George was wise in keeping to his 3 year release platform. So, yes…a SW film every year from now until???? 20 books released last year in the run up to TFA…and how many were decent?

          Exactly….

          • June 2, 2016 at 5:16 am
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            Saying it’s more representative and diverse is not the same thing as saying it has a diversity quota. I’m far from the only one who thinks the casting choices were a good thing.

          • June 2, 2016 at 5:24 am
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            I didn’t say that….but they’re doing it for the sake of diversity, not just based on character or talent. And there were some good choices, but don’t do it just to purposely make it diverse and say…look what we did.

          • June 2, 2016 at 5:28 am
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            Well, they’re taking diversity into account. Nothing wrong with that. I can’t think of a single character where I was thinking “well they sucked, must have got their job to tick a diversity box”. The casting & performances in TFA were among the good things about it.

          • June 2, 2016 at 5:57 am
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            Not complaining about all casting but that squadron of Poes was pretty lame. Once again taking it into account…just for, isn’t the way to go., imo.

            So, any response on the EU?

          • June 2, 2016 at 6:09 am
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            So we’re down from the whole movie (and future ones) being cast according to a politically correct agenda to one group of background characters in the weakest section of the movie being… what… overly diverse? I don’t get it.

            I’ve read virtually none of the old EU other than the original Brian Daley Solo novels. What I know of it does not make me keen to revise that decision. I think most of the crappiest theories and world building I’ve encountered originated in the EU. So yeah, I think it was kind of filling a gap in the market with (mostly) low grade crap. I’ve read three of the new novels, one was surprisingly good, one was disappointing, one was poor. I’m not in a rush to read any more. Some of the new comics are pretty fun and the story group seems to currently be keeping a tighter rein on the new canon than anyone did on the old.

          • June 2, 2016 at 6:46 am
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            Then don’t judge 35 years of material on your lack of reading. It carried a massive following and still does. The sales numbers for them and the number of top 10 best sellers is astonishing. Of course there were stinkers…but the Thrawn trilogy would give you a new found vision of the old EU.

            I understand you don’t get it on diversity in the new SW movies and that’s ok. Obviously, I wouldn’t be able to help you see my point. So we’ll agree to disagree.

          • June 2, 2016 at 6:57 am
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            I’ve read enough about the EU — the Crystal Star, Jedi Prince books, etc — to be glad they threw it out. Sure, I’ve heard good things about the Thrawn books and Rogue Squadron but it really does seem like much of the material was very weak.

            The point with the diversity angle is you seem to be down to saying it’s about one tiny group of background characters. It’s good they’re at least taking diversity into account. It would be dumb if they were casting by quota but they’re not.

          • June 2, 2016 at 7:04 am
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            Reading about the EU and reading it are completely different.

            It was way more than background characters….

          • June 2, 2016 at 7:07 am
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            I haven’t read friggin’ Twilight either but I’m not sure I need to in order to know what I’d be getting into.

            So who was it, beyond Poe’s squadron (which had what, a black dude a Scot and two aliens?) who was cast according to a diversity policy rather than the quality of their performance?

          • June 2, 2016 at 4:27 pm
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            Once again….I’m not going to educate you on the difference of reading material and hearing about things from others to form an opinion.

            Casting as I stated, we view differently and it’s a no win either way. But rather than just relying on who you “think”is in it and for what reasons, do your homework. Look at reasons for castings from the beginning to the full list of cast.

            Done on these, move on son.

          • June 2, 2016 at 4:31 pm
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            Like the fact the Finn character appears in concept art as a white dude? But, he was cast to fill an agenda, right? Horseshit.

            I’m sure the Jedi Prince trilogy is fucking Chekov if you actually read it. Right. I’ll consider myself “educated” then.

          • June 2, 2016 at 5:24 pm
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            It’s apparent that you’re far from educated when it come to both of these subjects. And that’s ok.

            If you think you can form an opinion based on what others tell you…that’s your deal but don’t bash something that you admit you don’t know much about.

            And horseshit or not. They stated from the beginning that they would be actively casting a diverse group with a focus on strong female leads. That’s not proper casting…and I like Boyega and Ridley. (they really did good casting her)

            For the last time son, I’m done. Move on

          • June 2, 2016 at 5:32 pm
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            I’m not bashing the EU. I know and respect people who like some of it. Even they admit it was a mess as a coherent body of work. From there I take the reasonable position that I think they made the right decision to drop it.

            See, I think saying “it would be nice if we can bear diversity in mind when developing characters and casting” is a good thing and a long way from “o noes! Feminist agenda! They’re taking our movies away! Star Wars should only be for boys! Wah wah… chemtrails!”

          • June 2, 2016 at 6:06 pm
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            We’ll agree that Disney has a different vision all the way around…

          • June 2, 2016 at 7:50 pm
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            figures…I give dude.

    • June 2, 2016 at 2:34 am
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      What are you talking about? Saving Private Ryan was full of levity. I laughed my butt off through the first 10 minutes!!! When that one guy’s arm went flying off – classic slapstick!

  • June 1, 2016 at 5:43 pm
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    ” something great in a larger star wars universe”,”where you don’t have to make a Skywalker story to be great”…..So we are going to base our first two stand alone films to have stories that are directly connected and tied in with the Skywalkers and the Skywalker timeline and actually shrink the universe and do the exact opposite of what we are saying we are trying to do, even though there are thousands of years worth of stories we could tell……. makes sense.

    • June 1, 2016 at 7:47 pm
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      welcome to the new Disney ” Lucasfilm” money machine…what a shame!

  • June 1, 2016 at 5:48 pm
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    ,,The goal of the reshoots will be to lighten the mood, bring some levity into the story and restore a sense of fun to the adventure.” Sounds like they’ve just ruined the movie… Fckin studio execs. Just let the artists do their own vision.

    I guess this will turn out to a forgettable marvel-like flick.

    • June 1, 2016 at 6:02 pm
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      Jumping already?

      • June 1, 2016 at 6:05 pm
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        Hopefuly im wrong.

    • June 1, 2016 at 6:22 pm
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      Meh. I’ve always been leery of Star Wars taking itself too seriously. It’s first and foremost a popcorn family film with deeper undertones. Get too gritty and it just becomes another forgettable war movie. Star Wars needs levity. It’s part of its brand.

  • June 1, 2016 at 5:56 pm
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    I hoenstly didn’t buy the whole “movie is in a crisis”. They reported a FOUR WEEK set of reshoots. If a film is really in “crisis”, it would most likely require more time than that. What bothers me is the reports of Disney wanting to modify the tone. I’m seriously worried this is a money-making desicion, rather than a positive creative desicion. Marvel has a history of over-controlling their movies, and I’d hope Lucasfilm would know better. That said adding in some lighthearted elements in the right places could make the audience care more about the characters, and leaving the grittiest/darkest sections of the film alone to bring more impact by contrast.

    • June 1, 2016 at 6:22 pm
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      It could very well be Lucasfilm Execs that want the tone change as opposed to Disney Execs. but when they screen it for a “group of executives” the discussion that follows is usually a general one involving the group as a whole regardless of which individual exec or company made the suggestions. Lucasfilm has always been very tight with control over the tone of Star Wars as a whole traditionally so it would make sense that it would come from them. Disney is also known for letting it’s subsidiaries run almost completely autonomously, which also indicates that it would be Lucasfilm requesting the tone balance as opposed to Disney proper.

    • June 1, 2016 at 9:15 pm
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      A month of reshoots? On a film that scheduled, what, 6 weeks of principal photography? That’s…a little alarming actually.

      • June 1, 2016 at 11:12 pm
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        You have no clue what you’re talking about. Principal photography lasted 6 months, not 6 weeks. Episode VII lasted 6 months too. 6 weeks to film a major motion picture is not enough.

        • June 1, 2016 at 11:21 pm
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          How, in what world did principal on ANY film last 6 months? In what fantasy land do you live where that’s a real thing? PRODUCTION may have lasted that long, but the actors go home after 2-three months.

          • June 2, 2016 at 2:17 pm
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            Donnie Yen was in London and on location from August to December – according to photos he posted on Facebook. There were a several occasions where he had 3-4 days to fly back to Honk Kong to see his family or do promo work for IP Man 3. Not being in every scene, this makes sense. The shoot with actors was a minimum of 5 months.
            Yen then spent 4 months in Canada shooting XXX3. Posts from all cast members (Tony Jaa and Vin Diesel etc) showed them on set with the director filming for 5 months.
            You persist in being wrong.

      • June 2, 2016 at 9:50 am
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        The film is in worst shape than they’re letting on. It’s a mess. I’m sure they’ll add more levity and try to make the characters more likable, but I think they’re going to make some big changes to the story and the scenes that go along with them. I think Disney is really worried about this film and they’re doing everything to salvage it. I don’t think they can.

        • June 3, 2016 at 2:43 am
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          And you know this how?

          • June 3, 2016 at 8:28 am
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            I know.

          • June 3, 2016 at 5:34 pm
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            That’s not an answer, lol.

  • June 1, 2016 at 6:13 pm
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    We’re finally gonna get that Sex Scene with the Short Snaggletooth suckin off the Taller one 🙂

    • June 1, 2016 at 8:24 pm
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      Hot blue on red action!

  • June 1, 2016 at 6:15 pm
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    i just hope vader has a large role in this film. it will probably be the only time we get to see him do some damage on the big screens. i hope they don’t just limit his character because they don’t want him to overshadow the newer characters they are trying to introduce.

    • June 2, 2016 at 9:46 am
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      He will have a large role. You’ll see.

  • June 1, 2016 at 6:43 pm
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    I have a bad feeling about this!

    • June 1, 2016 at 6:55 pm
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      Let’s hope it turns into a good one though!

      • June 2, 2016 at 9:45 am
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        It won’t.

          • June 2, 2016 at 3:13 pm
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            Fanboy much?
            I’m not the only one ‘underestimating the movie’, it seems the folks at Disney do as well. You would too if you know what I know of the movie.

          • June 2, 2016 at 3:43 pm
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            It’s not about being a fanboy, it’s jumping into conclusions. Now, all we have to do is to wait and see for the next thing.

          • June 2, 2016 at 6:22 pm
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            I know what’s in the movie or was. So I’m not jumping to conclusions. What I don’t know is what they’ll be changing in the reshoots. You think they’re doing these reshoots just to make it better? Hell no. They’re doing them to fix major problems already there. That’s why.

          • June 2, 2016 at 8:20 pm
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            I see.
            Still, there’s no need to be distrustful at the moment.

          • June 3, 2016 at 8:17 am
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            The fact that Disney is in full panic mode now and ordering reshoots now so late in the game. Says a lot. From what I’ve been hearing this film is going to end up like Ishtar. It can’t be saved.

          • June 3, 2016 at 10:43 pm
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            IT WILL BE!

  • June 1, 2016 at 6:52 pm
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    Basically what’s happening is the Disney/LFL watched the film and finally came to the realization that Edwards has a big weakness, CHARACTERS!!! Godzilla had some of the most blandest characters in a movie. The reshoots are most likely being down to hide this, and somehow at least make these people fun if not well developed.

    • June 1, 2016 at 9:08 pm
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      Watch his first movie, Monsters. All character work. Godzilla sucked but Edwards isn’t that bad.

  • June 1, 2016 at 7:14 pm
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    Obviously, the studio will never say, we are re-shooting because it’s bad or too adult, they’re re-shooting tp add “levity”.

  • June 1, 2016 at 7:34 pm
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    The reshoots don’t concern me because EVERY movie with a good budget does reshoots! I have zero doubts that Rogue One is going to be amazing.

    • June 2, 2016 at 9:45 am
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      You’re going to be disappointed.

      • June 2, 2016 at 2:37 pm
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        speak for yourself. there’s no way Rogue One can disappoint me. I’ve been waiting 25 years to see this story on a movie screen but never expected it would actually happen before it was announced last year.

        • June 2, 2016 at 3:07 pm
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          I say you’re going to be disappointed because you will be. You waited for 25 years for nothing but crap I’m afraid. I know quite a lot about this movie and I guarantee you it will be junk.

          • June 2, 2016 at 3:49 pm
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            angry fanboy much? I know enough about it from leaked materials to be certain it’s going to be satisfying for me (giant nerd for the Rebellion that I am).

          • June 2, 2016 at 6:19 pm
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            I’m not the angry fanboy…angry fanboy. I know enough about it from leaked materials to be certain it’s going to freaking garbage.

          • June 2, 2016 at 11:58 pm
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            well either we have to agree to disagree or you have to stand there in your wrongness and be wrong.

          • June 3, 2016 at 8:28 am
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            Listen, I know more about this movie than you realize. I don’t come often to these star wars boards and comment, so this is probably the last time I’ll ever say anything here. But I want to tell you this. From everything I’ve learned about this film, you will be disappointed. I guarantee that. Disney has a turd on it’s hands and it doesn’t know what to do now. They’re in full panic mode. You have no idea how bad it is. They’re downplaying it, but the intel is that they’re bouncing off the walls, literally. The test audience, which they deny having, hated the f’ing thing. The reaction from them was far from what Disney wanted and it was everything they feared. That is why they are ordering reshoots, and the whole fiasco has pushed Gareth Edwards out of the Hollywood big leagues. His career as a big time director are finished. He’s been blackballed. That’s how bad this film is. Do you get it now? From what I hear and suspect they can’t save the film. That’ all I’m going to say. I’m out of here.

  • June 1, 2016 at 7:54 pm
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    Recall that Lucas was unhappy with how Empire was progressing under Kershner. He intervened, became much more hands on, and we all know how that turned out. Nothing to be worried about here.

    Can’t see Han Solo making a cameo in this movie. Agree with Pomojema that the”Cameo” reference is most likely Vader. Always felt his role would be a very small one.

    • June 1, 2016 at 8:23 pm
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      He actually DIDN’T get to intervene as much as he wanted, that’s WHY Empire is what it is – Lucas was freaking out over time and budget, and tried to rein the whole thing in. Kurtz in London ran interference for Kersch, and with Lucas a continent away there was little he could actually do. He attempted to cut his own version of the film, but in the end had to admit that his version didn’t work, and so let Kersch finish the movie his way.

    • June 2, 2016 at 5:24 am
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      This is…..false.

      Lucas was mad because it went overtime and overbudget and he had to take out a loan. Kersh is on record saying that Lucas was more hands off than any other producer he had worked with.

      • June 2, 2016 at 11:51 am
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        Not what I read.

    • June 2, 2016 at 9:44 am
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      Vader is a big part of the movie. In fact he’s the second most important part of it besides the lead actress.

      • June 2, 2016 at 11:51 am
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        Your evidence is?

        • June 2, 2016 at 3:15 pm
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          You don’t know? He’s the main looming figure in the movie. Check out the Rogue One Visual Story Guide and see for yourself. He is or was. They might change things around in the reshoots. So who knows now.

          • June 2, 2016 at 8:41 pm
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            True, but I know that Ben Mendelsohn is the main villain, thus most likely demoting Vader to a much smaller role.

            Is Vader in the Rogue One Visual Story Guide?

          • June 3, 2016 at 8:15 am
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            Ben Mendelsohn plays Director Krennic, whatever his name is. He’s the other bad guy, but Vader plays a prominent role or did. I think they’re reshooting his scenes, because they are pivotal to the movie. I don’t know what exactly they’re changing in the movie, so it’s up in the air now. The movie may be completely different from what I’ve learned about it thus far, but the core story elements will no doubt be the same.
            Yes if you google Rogue One Visual Story Guide you’ll see Vader in the artwork.

  • June 1, 2016 at 7:58 pm
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    The goal of the reshoots will be to lighten the mood, bring some levity into the story and restore a sense of fun to the adventure.

    “lighten the mood”

    “Bring levity”

    ffs

  • June 1, 2016 at 8:09 pm
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    I thought the whole point of these anthology movies was to allow film makers to do their own thing?

    I know people have their opinions about Lucas as a filmmaker, but this is exactly why he fought so hard to retain film making independency from the studios.

    A bunch of suits telling him what to do, based on what they they think is “marketable.” Which as of late, with Warner Bros and the DCEU, Sony with Spider-man and Ghostbusters, and Disney with Star wars apparently seems to be the case.

    • June 1, 2016 at 8:18 pm
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      And because of it, Lucas started making movies in which he controlled every aspect of the movie, regardless if he had particular skill in that area and those films suffered as a result. Collaboration helps movies. The Force Awakens was a critical and popular success in large part because it was a collaboration of creative people, each utilizing their unique strengths, rather than one guy deciding everything.

      • June 1, 2016 at 8:20 pm
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        But, whatever you think of the result, those movies were unique, had something to say, and reflected a particular vision. Frankly, even as failures, I’d take that over sanitized, paint-by-numbers design-by-committee films any day.

        • June 2, 2016 at 1:10 pm
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          It took the PT for some to appreciate Jedi just as it took the ST to appreciate the PT. They aren’t my favorite films either but I find parts of them far more re-watchable even if the end result doesn’t gel together like the OT does.

    • June 1, 2016 at 8:26 pm
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      Disney suits are in charge period.

  • June 1, 2016 at 8:16 pm
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    “The goal of the reshoots will be to lighten the mood, bring some levity into the story and restore a sense of fun to the adventure.”

    Translation: The token black guy’s not funny enough. Have him fall down a few more times.

    • June 1, 2016 at 8:46 pm
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      Melissa McCarthy is in Rogue One?

      • June 1, 2016 at 9:15 pm
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        I wish. I think she’d make a badass Rebel pilot, providing she was mostly played seriously while having personality and heart. Oh, and not be another Mary Sue.

        • June 1, 2016 at 9:25 pm
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          Now I know you’re trolling lol

        • June 1, 2016 at 10:07 pm
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          Porkins wife perhaps? How funny would that be…

        • June 2, 2016 at 10:20 am
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          Solid trolling.

          • June 3, 2016 at 1:24 am
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            What do you mean?

    • June 2, 2016 at 1:38 am
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      LoL, certainly

    • June 2, 2016 at 1:07 pm
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      Creepy isn’t it? I never really looked at it that way till now which is why I always found his character unsettling.

      When I heard he was an ex-Stormtrooper, I was hoping for a grizzled vet which would have made his redemption that much more powerful in the end. Granted he would have been too young for Endor but they could have made him seen a lot of action with the Resistance rather than some wet behind the ears knock kneed virgin who never even held a weapon before the film starts.

      • June 3, 2016 at 1:24 am
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        Yeah. A brainwashed ex-stormtrooper who was kidnapped from his family should not have been the bumbling comic relief character. I was thinking something more along the lines of Kyle Reese from the original Terminator film. Skilled, resourceful, a natural leader, etc. Not someone there to make the audience laugh while making Rey look good at his own expense.

        Han won much more than he was humiliated. That’s why he has such a great reputation with the fans. He was cool, confident. He was stubborn and spoke his mind. He got to save other characters throughout the trilogy while never taking over the show, like Rey did.

        • June 3, 2016 at 5:13 pm
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          Especially when aside from Captain Phasma, Most of the troopers seemed a lot more competent this time around which raised the question how he could last so long? Poe and Leia just instantly accepted him too even though he was the enemy.

          Which is why I worry how he will be portrayed in the Han film since he was basically a drug dealer, would be considered sexist today, and shot someone under the table in ANH which I can’t see Disney being on board with nor the people who were behind the Lego film.

          • June 4, 2016 at 11:13 am
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            Finn felt way more incompetent and comical, but the stormtroopers were killed too easily by the main characters. Most of them went down with one shot. Few misses. Too easy. Little tension.

            As you know by now, TFA is more enjoyable the less you think about the script. ;B

            Yeah. I have the same concerns for the Boba Fett film. I heard they wanted to make him more of a good guy rather than an anti-hero or villain. Meh if true.

          • June 4, 2016 at 8:28 pm
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            Well, They were compared to the TIE pilots who actually survived for the most part this time around. I think TR-8R lived too though he should have died considering he got hit point blank by an X-Wing.

            Yeah, There’s no question it will be considered the weakest film of the ST unless VIII and IX suck even more. Disney didn’t pay off critics literally like some said but they did sort of blackmail them by refusing to let them review other films of theirs if they gave TFA a low rating as well as wined and dined them with swag/freebies like Big Pharma does to doctors all the time. And the fans were just happy to see the OT onscreen again hence why it’s rated the highest outside Empire.

            The only good thing is that Josh Trank is no longer doing it who would have made it worse than anything they release now.

    • June 3, 2016 at 2:40 am
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      You seriously need to take off that tin foil hat.

      • June 3, 2016 at 11:41 am
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        No tin foil hat here. I’m just paying attention to TFA. BTW, I was being sarcastic about Rogue One’s token black guy. I’m sure he’ll be fine. It’s Diego Luna’s character I worry about. ;B

  • June 1, 2016 at 8:29 pm
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    “The goal of the reshoots will be to lighten the mood, bring some levity into the story and restore a sense of fun to the adventure.”

    Just when we thought we would get a SW film with a diffrerent feel to it along comes Disney to make it more funny. NO. You don’t need a film to be funny under the context of this particular film. I want Jyn dismembered by the monster that is Darth Vader, I want to see her suffer in his hands, is that so hard to pull off? I am going to the cinema having paid my ticket to see Darth Vader kill people brutally and mercilessly. Don’t take that from me Disney!

    • June 1, 2016 at 9:15 pm
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      You are in the vast minority. I’m not interested in a grim, R-rated Star Wars film that doesn’t feel like a Star Wars film and instead just feels like grim fan-fiction set in the Star Wars universe. The hard core fans in their 20s and 30s who want to watch R rated Star Wars are not even close to the majority of people who go to watch these movies and buy the merchandise. I love the idea of Rogue 1 being Saving Private Ryan in the Star Wars universe but that doesn’t mean it can’t feel like a Star Wars movie too.

      • June 1, 2016 at 9:21 pm
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        No one’s talking about an R-rated film. Why tease us with a Star Wars film inspired by Saving Private Ryan only to lighten it up to better match TFA’s tone?

        • June 2, 2016 at 10:05 am
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          The TFA where Kylo Ren chopped Lor San Tekka in half and a squad of stormtroopers slaughtered disarmed villagers in the first scene?

          • June 3, 2016 at 1:28 am
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            Lor San Tekka was not chopped in half, like Darth Maul was. He was slashed across the chest, like Nute Gunray was by Vader in III.

            And that village slaughter was weak. They couldn’t wait to cut away from the violence as they covered it up with smoke.

          • June 3, 2016 at 12:10 pm
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            I know. We weren’t talking about dark. We were talking about how graphic that scene on Jakku was. It wasn’t that bad. Poe even cracked a joke. I don’t want to see that in Rogue One. The stormtroopers were also a step or two above being a complete joke,

          • June 3, 2016 at 4:59 pm
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            Poe’s joke worked very well for me. It was like him spitting in Kylo Ren’s face.

            How were the stormtroopers a joke there?

          • June 4, 2016 at 11:27 am
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            Poe could’ve spat in Kylo Ren’s face without ruining the tension, such as later on when he said, “The Resistance… will not be intimidated by you.” Here, Poe resisted Kylo Ren without treating the moment as if it was a joke.

            The stormtroopers weren’t a joke in Jakku’s opening scene, but they were for most of the film. I get that main characters kill stormtroopers all the time, but I felt they died way too easily. Look at that scene on Starkiller Base where Han was shooting them in the hallway. It’s as if they went out of their way to put themselves out in the open rather than try to hide and shoot from behind the corner of the wall. Also, when Chewie shot Kylo Ren, pretty much every shot afterwards by him and Finn and Rey killed a stormtrooper. I don’t remember any of them missing. Too easy. No real tension.

            That scene on Jakku was reasonably dark. I wish they had showed more violence rather than cut away from the village massacre. Poe’s joke to Kylo Ren happened right after he saw Lor San Tekka murdered. Threw out the tension from the scene.

          • June 4, 2016 at 5:59 pm
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            I didn’t feel that way. It was Poe making a grim joke to show he won’t be broken easily.

          • June 5, 2016 at 10:25 am
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            Poe’s joke was lighthearted, not grim. That’s why the audience laughed and why it broke any tension that was in the scene.

          • June 6, 2016 at 6:44 am
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            Just curious. What exactly do you find grim about the line, “So, who talks first? Do you talk first?”

            I’m not saying Star Wars should be humorless. I loved the humor in the OT, but notice how they were mostly used in action or dialogue scenes, not dramatic ones. “Great, kid! Don’t get cocky!” “Who’s the fool, the fool or the fool who follows him?” “Help! I think I’m melting!” “Why, you stuck up, half-witted, scruffy-looking Nerfherder!”

            Did anyone crack a joke when Luke witnessed his aunt and uncle’s burnt remains? Or when Alderaan blew up? Or during Obi-Wan’s death? Or when Vader revealed the truth to his son?

            No. Dramatic scenes were allowed to remain dramatic. That’s why I didn’t like Poe cracking that joke during a dramatic scene where he had just witnessed Lor San Tekka, someone he cared about, being executed.

          • June 6, 2016 at 7:16 am
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            Poe’s using it very much like he later says “the Resistance will not be intimidated”, it’s brave defiance in the face of evil. He knows it’s going to land him a kick in the ribs at best but he defies anyway. He’s not winking at the audience and destroying tension. He’s also getting under Kylo’s skin just like Rey does later. It’s the start of that strand of Kylo’s character — he’s a thin skinned, self doubting egotist. Completely different from Vader.

          • June 6, 2016 at 2:07 pm
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            Yes, Poe’s defiant both times, but the first time was casual and comical while the second one was serious and in the midst of torture. That’s why the audience laughed the first time but not the second.

            This wasn’t about Poe breaking the fourth wall. It’s about how he had reacted to a serious scene on Jakku. The civilians were rounded up, and the village was burning. Poe had failed to escape, and there was a good chance the First Order might get their hands on BB-8. He had just seen Lor San Tekka executed, which compelled him to try to kill Kylo Ren. He failed and got captured. His life was in danger… so he made a joke? ^_-

            What what did Rey say to get under Kylo Ren’s skin? Wait. How did Poe get under his skin? He made his joke, but Kylo didn’t react to it.

          • June 6, 2016 at 4:49 pm
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            The audience didn’t laugh the second time because that wasn’t a joke. I thought that was obvious.

            You can joke amid serious circumstances. That’s how some people react. Refusing to acknowledge the seriousness is an act of defiance.

            Seriously? You missed Rey’s “that’s what happens when you’re being hunted by a creature in a mask” that prompted Kylo to remove his helmet? Then when she fights back against his mind probe and reveals his insecurity about living up to Vader.

          • June 6, 2016 at 10:11 pm
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            Exactly. That’s what I’m getting at. Both instances are acts of defiance, but the first one wasn’t grim. It was light and comical. The audience was supposed to laugh because Poe wasn’t taking Kylo Ren seriously here, unlike the second time.

            People can act however they want, but a character not taking a dramatic scene seriously removes the tension from a scene. This is what Poe did on Jakku and why it was different from the comedy used in the OT. That’s my point. Tone, not defiance. The OT always took its dramatic scenes seriously.

            I don’t see that as Rey getting under Kylo Ren’s skin. He said she still wanted to kill him, and she responded plainly. He didn’t remove his helmet because she got under his skin. What got under his skin was her revealing his insecurity about Vader, but she was only able to do that because TFA gave her a Force power-up, just like it did during the lightsaber fight.

            Rey’s not a smartass, defiant character like Poe.

          • June 6, 2016 at 11:39 pm
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            Joking doesn’t mean he’s not taking him seriously. It’s making a show of not taking him seriously. That’s how defiance works.

          • June 7, 2016 at 2:01 am
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            First of all, I’m focusing on the tone of that scene on Jakku, not whether or not Poe took Kylo Ren seriously. What I’m saying is that the joke was inconsistent with the serious nature of the scene.

            How can Poe make a show of not taking Kylo Ren seriously… while taking him seriously? People who take other people and their threats seriously don’t mock them.

          • June 7, 2016 at 3:09 am
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            Jesus. Find a dictionary and go look up the work “bravado”.

            Don’t have one? Affecting nonchalance in the face of danger.

            I understand perfectly your point. So you can stop reiterating the same thing 30 times in a row. I disagree.

          • June 7, 2016 at 6:44 am
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            Dude, relax. lol. No need to be so serious, okay? o<|8oP

            I'm not questioning Poe's bravado. In fact, I loved how fearless he was. My complaint was how his joke was inconsistent with the dramatic tone of the scene.

          • June 7, 2016 at 10:19 pm
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            So, you honestly thought Poe’s joke was as serious as the scene he was in? Okay…

          • June 7, 2016 at 10:33 pm
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            I honestly thought it was an appropriate response from a cocky, bravado-fuelled pilot who is trying to buy time for BB-8 to get away. Yes. He knows he’s fucked. They’ve caught him. He’s not going to give them the satisfaction of quivering in fear. The joke is a “fuck you” to Kylo Ren.

            You honestly think it’s impossible for a character to crack that kind of joke in the face of danger without ruining the tension of the scene?

          • June 8, 2016 at 6:24 am
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            I don’t think it’s impossible for a character to crack that kind of joke in the face of danger. It’s very in line with Poe’s personality. I just wish they had chosen a line that was consistent with both Poe and the dramatic nature of the scene, not have him say something that would cause audiences to laugh.

            It didn’t kill the scene for me, but it did remove a lot of tension from it.

          • June 8, 2016 at 6:28 am
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            > not have him say something that would cause audiences to laugh.

            A bad joke then?

          • June 8, 2016 at 3:42 pm
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            I’m not criticizing the joke because I thought it was bad. I’m criticizing it because it was inconsistent with the tone of the dramatic scene on Jakku.

          • June 8, 2016 at 3:44 pm
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            I mean you said you were okay with Poe joking under pressure because it’s consistent with his character but you weren’t okay with the joke making the audience laugh. So you’d have preferred if his joke wasn’t funny?

          • June 8, 2016 at 7:00 pm
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            I would’ve preferred it if Poe hadn’t made a joke at all during that dramatic scene. Save them for the lighter action ones, like when he was with Finn.

      • June 23, 2016 at 7:26 pm
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        All I am saying is that this movie promised one thing then it decided that will deliver something else.

    • June 1, 2016 at 9:18 pm
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      We were promised Saving Private Ryan meets Star Wars. Please don’t kiddy it up. It was bad enough how ridiculous some of the stormtroopers were treated in TFA. Not a threat at all.

      Even Captain Phasma gave up without a fight. How dare you make me respect the Trade Federation villains by comparison. -_-

      • June 1, 2016 at 10:05 pm
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        They slaughtered Ewoks in ROTJ. Actually shot them in the face and made them die. I do not believe they are dumbing down the killing in this. If they did, it would be a waste of time… Prequels all over again… MESA WANT TO GO POOPY ANNIE!!! OKIE DAY?!? Catering to 3 year olds again would be a huge mistake.

        • June 2, 2016 at 1:01 am
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          If they ease up on the violence/lighten the tone, I think it’ll be more TFA than TPM. But I’m still a little concerned… for now.

  • June 1, 2016 at 8:29 pm
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    Somewhere along the line, people that claim to like movies (and their production process) conveniently forgot that reshoots are the norm rather than the exception. Then, they headed to the forums to complain about a movie they won’t see for another 200 days.

    And here I am stoked about Rogue One. Bring on December!

    • June 1, 2016 at 9:01 pm
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      Well, truth be told, people who complain about people that claim to like movies (and their production process) conveniently forgetting that reshoots are the norm rather than the exception forgot that until recently, no they weren’t. Not to say they haven’t become the norm since Marvel, but reshoots are a lazy-ass, focus-group driven way of making a movie.

      • June 1, 2016 at 9:05 pm
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        Lazy… getting the production back together to do an entire month of shooting is lazy??

        • June 1, 2016 at 9:22 pm
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          Yes, it’s absolutely lazy. It’s pure laziness on the front end and means you didn’t bother to do your damn homework in pre-pro, shooting principal and THEN discovering you’ve screwed the pooch.

          • June 1, 2016 at 10:51 pm
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            I agree with the fact that when you have a huge amount of money riding on a film and that you didn’t do your homework till post production is pure incompetence. Was the deal to let the director run with it and if he fails to meet their expectations, they jump in and make changes? That is some serious backwards thinking and wasteful.. Seriously wasteful.

      • June 1, 2016 at 11:26 pm
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        You are wrong. Reshoots, pick-up shoots, or what have you are just part of the editing and movie making process. It’s been that way for a long, long time. You can attribute the Rogue One reshoots to some mythical focus group or some sinister, smoke-filled room of merchandisers and Disney marketing executives, but I doubt that’s quite the case when vetted against what’s really going on.

      • June 2, 2016 at 5:21 am
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        ESB was sure lazy when they had to bring back Carrie and Harrison for re-shoots. Real lazy….

  • June 1, 2016 at 8:56 pm
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    I am SUPER excited for this movie

  • June 1, 2016 at 9:03 pm
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    but I wanted a super dark star wars film…. like with no fun..

    • June 1, 2016 at 9:13 pm
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      I’ve got some of those for you – they’re called “Lord of the Rings”.

      • June 1, 2016 at 10:53 pm
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        Lotr is not dark in any way… not fully at least, and is also not star wars .-.

        • June 1, 2016 at 11:25 pm
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          It wishes it was Star Wars, and it was a dour slog because it took itself so goddamn seriously all the time. You’re midgets hitting digital orcs with sticks – lighten up ffs.

          • June 2, 2016 at 9:55 am
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            It took itself ridiculously seriously up until the point it thought “I know let’s lighten the tone with some shit dwarf-tossing jokes”. Good grief those are the most overrated movies of the last 30 years.

    • June 1, 2016 at 11:25 pm
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      Episode VIII is already supposed to be dark.

      • June 2, 2016 at 10:45 am
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        Every actor / director says that about every sequel to anything — it’s a sop to assure teenage boys they can still be claim to be cool if they go see the movie. New Harry Potter? “Oh yeah, it’s a darker tone this time”. Sparkly Unicorn Rainbow Poop 3? “We’re going to see a grittier edge to the unicorns in this one”.

        TFA had it’s share of dark moments — that opening scene on Jakku, Han’s death, the rapey interrogation scene. They cut it with some humor and that seems to be all some people remember.

        In fact Star Wars’ tone has always been all over the place. Ha ha funny Jawas… oh wait Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru got Soweto necklaced. Oh those Ewoks are cute… until one of them dies in a teddy bear reenactment of Platoon. That’s just fine with me, it’s part of the charm.

  • June 1, 2016 at 9:18 pm
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    Why would young Han be in this movie? I was always under the impression that this was more likely in the year or so leading up to A New Hope, if not closer. Wouldn’t this have to be like 10 years earlier to have young Han in it? It feels like they’d be shoehorning him in for no good reason.

    Just beef up Vader’s screen time.

    • June 1, 2016 at 9:20 pm
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      The last comment – yeah, I actually have been thinking that’s awfully likely. The single best selling SW character in history, hasn’t been onscreen in 11 years, and Disney AINT gonna cram him into every frame of this thing they can? Go on, pull the other one.

      • June 1, 2016 at 9:28 pm
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        It would be so stupid of them not to capitalize on Vader’s presence in this film. EVERY star wars fan has wanted to see his true badass power and why people feared him around the universe. We’ve seen him being powerful in the force, but we need to see him angry, killing a lot of rebels

        • June 1, 2016 at 10:31 pm
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          What ‘every Star Wars fan’ wants usually makes for shitty storytelling though, so there is that.

          • June 1, 2016 at 10:35 pm
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            In the prequels, sure. Ever since Disney purchased LF I’ve had nothing but faith in them to put out quality films. They have one of the most beloved franchises in movie history to play with. An “okay” film shouldn’t ever be allowed at this point, especially if they want to continue milking this franchise for the rest of time. With such a rich “sandbox” of stories to pull from and create, we should be treated with some great movies over the years. Not to say there wont be duds here and there, and I’m already very skeptical about the Solo movie, but I don’t think they’d be putting so much effort into something that will be a flop.

  • June 1, 2016 at 9:29 pm
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    Nooo…this means no good. Stealing the death star plans is one of the most serious things in star wars, and doesn’t sounds like fun at all. Gareth always said he wanted to show us the war in star wars, so it should be a really dark war movie in the star wars universe.
    And I was relatively calm until I read the cameo part….I’m almost sure it’s the young Han, Vader cameo could have been done earlier but they selected the young han only few weeks ago. I just hope that I’m not right and they just wanted to add more Vader (or Emperor, or anybody else just no young Han…..)

    • June 1, 2016 at 10:23 pm
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      I’m hoping it’s a Leia cameo.

      • June 1, 2016 at 11:21 pm
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        It can be, I’m okay with that, if she only get a few minutes

  • June 1, 2016 at 9:30 pm
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    i thought the whole idea of a stand alone film, is that it sets itself apart from everything else.. now they wanna make it just like everything else? ughh, is it 4:20 yet?

  • June 1, 2016 at 9:58 pm
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    Wow. Trying to beef this up with adding a young Han Solo? They must be doing some really powerful drugs to want to screw this up with that ridiculous idea… My biggest nightmares are starting to come true with this BS. Will I watch Rogue One? Sure, most likely… but even the thought of adding a young Han Solo in it makes me want to puke blood and walk the other way. Why in the hell would you need to bring that actor/character into this movie? It is supposed to be a stand alone film, right? Let’s just shrink the universe even more you corporate idiots… Damn it!!! %&$*#$$ DAMN IT!!! Don’t you have any original ideas to contribute besides that crap?!??!!! I even see the Millennium Falcon on the screen for a split second and I am ripping up my ticket and walking out of the theater cursing like a sailor on shore leave…

    • June 1, 2016 at 10:07 pm
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      Young Han Solo into Rogue One… This is the worst idea since Jar-jar.
      Fckin corporate idiots.

    • June 2, 2016 at 12:45 am
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      Hey, I´m sure it´s not true. Just one-two days younger Han Solo from the Cantina with a totally different face? No. They are not THAT stupid.

  • June 1, 2016 at 10:23 pm
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    “…the only people who have seen the movie are executives, who ordered reshoots to keep the tone of the more serious Star Wars movie a little more in-line with the other films.”

    “The goal of the reshoots will be to lighten the mood, bring some levity into the story and restore a sense of fun to the adventure.”

    Exactly what I posted might be the case yesterday. They had a good, serious intense Star Wars (think Empire Strikes Back) film but now they have to dumb it down for the lowest common denominator. Guarantee the major character they are talking about will be the new Han Solo…..it would be ridiculous and idiotic, therefore they’re going to do it.
    And the executives think the movie lacks the “edge” that TFA had? What “edge” did The Force Awakens have? The movie was totally lacking in any kind of suspense or intensity whatsoever.
    Oh well, Time will tell. I’m sure I’ll go see it, and I hope it will be better than TFA, but if it’s not, this may very well be the last Star Wars movie I see in the theater.

    • June 1, 2016 at 10:31 pm
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      I liked TFA actually. However, they made numerous mistakes with that film… Leaving Luke till the end for like 2 seconds of non dialogue was the biggest let down ever. Some of the other issues include:

      Copying a New Hope pretty much verbatim, saving the lightsaber fights for the end, too many loose ends, the list goes on…

      If Kylo Ren kills Luke like Vader did to Obi Wan, I will know that Star Wars is truly dead and there will be no redemption.

      • June 1, 2016 at 10:40 pm
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        I’m glad you liked TFA, as did a lot of people. I didn’t so much dislike it as I just saw it as a huge missed opportunity.

      • June 2, 2016 at 12:39 am
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        “Copying a New Hope pretty much verbatim”

        this is false.

    • June 1, 2016 at 10:51 pm
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      TFA totally lacked suspense or intensity? Sorry, but that is just not true.

      • June 1, 2016 at 11:13 pm
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        Yeah, the part where the X-wings attacked Starkiller Base was a real nail biter. Who would have guessed they would actually succeed and blow it up?

        • June 2, 2016 at 12:39 am
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          Same with the trench run in ANH.

      • June 1, 2016 at 11:29 pm
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        I would agree that it’s fairly intense, but I think there’s a certain level of numbness to the whole thing that sets in – the whole film is at one intensity level – cranked to 11, brah! – with little room to breath or allow any ebb and flow in the energy level.

        • June 2, 2016 at 1:03 pm
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          The most intense part was Han’s death who everyone saw dying a mile away even if we didn’t know how he would die beforehand but you knew it soon as he crossed that bridge just from the score.

  • June 1, 2016 at 10:57 pm
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    Sounds good to me. Humour is an important part of SW.

  • June 1, 2016 at 11:03 pm
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    What’s to worry about? Clearly this film has a different tone in mind but obviously they want to ensure that it sells to audiences so adding more levity to the film because it’s Star Wars makes plenty of sense. Besides that, the film isn’t far off from release so it’s not like they can make any drastic changes to the story.

  • June 1, 2016 at 11:19 pm
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    So the article claims only executives and not audiences have seen the rough cut, How is that a good thing?

  • June 1, 2016 at 11:23 pm
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    In other words… it’s gonna suck

    • June 2, 2016 at 1:25 pm
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      Don’t make me laugh.

  • June 1, 2016 at 11:24 pm
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    Why do I think the cameo character involved in the reshoots will be the new Han Solo and not more Darth Vader?

    “The goal of the reshoots will be to lighten the mood, bring some levity into the story and restore a sense of fun to the adventure.”

    You can associate many things with Darth Vader. “Lightening the mood”, “levity” and “sense of fun” are not among them.

    • June 1, 2016 at 11:29 pm
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      You haven’t seen the new Disney-era Vader yet 🙂

      • June 1, 2016 at 11:30 pm
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        Lol.

      • June 2, 2016 at 1:01 pm
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        I hope they at least make his hoverboard black.

  • June 1, 2016 at 11:25 pm
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    “I found me a dang ol’ lightsaber in mah garage, that makes me a Jedi WOOHOO!”
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    Eat a dick, Lucasarts.

    • June 2, 2016 at 1:43 am
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      Well, still better and more believable than “I can pull off mind tricks at the second try” and “defeat powerful Dark Jedi just by closing my eyes and going to my happy place”. Also, Kyle had a mentor, Rahn, and feasted on the power of the Jedi Temple, so there you go.

  • June 2, 2016 at 12:21 am
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    “Even I get boarded sometimes, Jabba” – *If* this was to be Han, then could it be describing this moment, considering Han is on a planet where Leia is headed, and he may have *just* dumped his shipment of spice ; in other words, the (?)Devastator star destroyer is in hot pursuit of the rebels, gets sidetracked investigating a spice freighter that, in mis-guided panic, dumps it’s illegal shipment (since the only other viable ship in the vicinity is a “diplomatic consular vessel”), then resumes it’s pursuit, this time with the Tantive having received the “beamed” (and no doubt, gps-coded) blueprint transmissions ; the irony is that the actions of Han’s future wife catapault her into his arms !! As regards having the ‘correct’ actor playing Han so close to the ANH timeframe, then personally, I’d opt for either ANH out-takes / deleted footage, or a CG Harrison, rather than a jarringly new face ; or I’d just have over-the-shoulder shots and voice mimickry. But then I’m just a fan of 20 years, so what do I know ???

    • June 2, 2016 at 12:27 am
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      Alternatively, the cameo is indeed Leia, but I’d have thought such a character would have been ‘locked in’ from the outset ; a cameo, to me, means an after-thought, and I fear that LFL / Diz are (suddenly) emphasising the Han Solo character in their material and marketing….

      • June 2, 2016 at 12:29 am
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        As regards the controversial “lighter tone”, it’s probably more like sardonic quips akin to the ANH banter than anything too major, since the re-shot scenes still have to fit within the existing material and plotting.

  • June 2, 2016 at 12:40 am
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    If you panic or jump to conclusions or assume you know what they are doing, congrats: you know nothing about how movies are made.

  • June 2, 2016 at 12:42 am
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    I just don´t believe Han Solo will be in this movie. This movie ends 10 minutes before A New Hope and they want to sell us two days younger Cantina Solo with a totally different face? No way. Impossible.

    • June 2, 2016 at 1:34 am
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      Depends how far back it goes. Didn’t Mads Mikkelson unintentionally give away that there would be scenes with him and a younger Jyn?

  • June 2, 2016 at 12:50 am
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    If the film was in dire straights, as in they thought it was terrible, I think they would delay it. Remember, this is the first Star Wars anthology film, its a big deal. If it doesn’t hit big with both audiences and money wise it could hurt those films going forward. They have audiences in on Episode VIII and IX with how well received Force Awakens was but it does feel like there is some trepidation regarding these other anthology films. Its a pretty big deal for them going forward. This needs to be a success.

  • June 2, 2016 at 2:58 am
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    I think the main reason for the reshoots is due to the dark tone/Saving Private Ryan tone this movie was expected to take. It really boils down to money and how much this movie can make in the minds of the Disney execs. Execs want to ensure the revenue is maximized. That means making a very dark tone story less dark in order to reach the broader SW audience. I fear those bloody Darth Vader scenes we were hoping before are going to be axed and replaced with scenes referencing the Darth Vader scenes. I really hope this is an unwarranted fear in the end.

  • June 2, 2016 at 3:30 am
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    To me this is bad news. It was really looking as if we were getting a more realistic and adult Star Wars film. Isn’t that why they got Edwards to direct it? We are in trouble when executives can make decisions that change a directors vision. Who knows, it may have been the best Star Wars film to date. I doubt it now after hearing that. But it will make more $$$

    • June 2, 2016 at 5:16 am
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      On the other hand, if Godzilla is a source (which I did enjoy), it might be a good thing to add a bit of levity.

    • June 2, 2016 at 11:01 am
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      Yep. Executives are businessmen, their art vision is limitated.
      Like test screenings, people who probably they haven’t seen enough cinema or have the capacity to change artist visions.

      • June 2, 2016 at 1:00 pm
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        Can’t win either way. Before we were at the mercy of a creative visionary who lost his way and now we are with the shareholders who are only in it for the profit.

        I’m not against more SW films but I think one per year is severe overkill. Make them like the Bond films with one every 2-3 years so that they are special again.

  • June 2, 2016 at 3:59 am
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    So long as they don’t resort to a Cartoon Rabbit that steps in the poopy..

    • June 3, 2016 at 2:35 am
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      pee yoosa!

  • June 2, 2016 at 5:03 am
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    The report never states that it’s Han Solo, it can be a number characters such as R2-D2, C3-PO, Bail Organa , The Emperor , there were rumors a CGI Tarkin could appear, there ere rumors of bounty hunters so it could be Boba Fett or even Jabba The Hutt , some people are jumping the gun. Also I don’t think Vader is just going to be regulated to a cameo

    • June 2, 2016 at 6:53 am
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      Relegated. That word you’re looking for is “relegated”. You’re welcome.

    • June 3, 2016 at 7:51 am
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      It’s pretty much a given Vader is in this, so maybe he’s not the cameo.

      Instead, maybe it’s Anakin. What I mean, we may see Anakin without his Vader outfit. Maybe they got Hayden Christensen to appear for a scene, so this would technically count as a “cameo” for him.

  • June 2, 2016 at 5:26 am
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    I’ll just say this to comfort some minds: If anything, Godzilla needed a bit of levity.

    • June 2, 2016 at 8:17 am
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      Indeed

    • June 2, 2016 at 11:20 am
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      That is true though.

  • June 2, 2016 at 11:11 am
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    So… the guy who tweeted about “most of the shoot will involve the cameo of a very important character” also tweeted this.

    Yeah, he sounds like a real clued-up insider.

    • June 2, 2016 at 12:57 pm
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      There goes the Rebels cameo rumors too.

    • June 2, 2016 at 3:52 pm
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      the hell? LOL that’s ridiculous

  • June 2, 2016 at 11:28 am
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    In this cases i always think the director has to keep his real vision and then share it to the world.
    And i really want a very dark SW movie. We already have the trilogies to be entertained. Hope E8 will entertain and at the same time be strange/dark as it seems.

  • June 2, 2016 at 12:54 pm
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    On the one hand, This may be a good thing after all if the Disney execs hated it who rarely have a firm grasp of what a great film makes.

    On the other, It sounds like the same thing going on with Suicide Squad right now after everyone was bitching that Dawn Of Justice was too dark when really the problem was more that the story sucked, direction was awful, and Assfleck/Eisenburg were sorely miscast.

    I don’t think Edwards is all that great of a director but he seems to have his heart in this one so it could go either way. If it fails, I think it will be due to people comparing it to the saga rather than see it as the first EU film that you can take or leave.

    TFA was “edgy”, Eh?

    • June 4, 2016 at 12:18 am
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      It was edgy. No one cares if you didnt like it. It had a distinct flavor and pop. The Disney Ex did like it, they thought it was really good but that it could be really great.

  • June 2, 2016 at 4:13 pm
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    Rogue none

  • June 2, 2016 at 9:55 pm
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    PLEASE: Someone with excellent english can start a fan letter in some website so that we can all sign against this bunch of Disney execs and in support of Gareth Edwards? Let Gareth do the damn movie he dreams about and shut the f up. This was supposed to be a dark movie from the beginning of the project.

    • June 3, 2016 at 1:35 am
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      Nah, i’m worried Gareth’s film will be too much like an x box game. Too serious. Star Wars is supposed to be fun.

      • June 4, 2016 at 12:16 am
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        Woopie. You want fun, others want dark. Can’t please everyone. Half the audience will get pissy.

        • June 4, 2016 at 12:22 am
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          For a long time people want a darker Star Wars, but it’s not really Star Wars then. Can’t please everyone, they should just make the the movie they want to make, and not worry about pleasing everyone.

    • June 3, 2016 at 4:18 am
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      For all we know, Gareth was actually happy to hear the execs opinions. It’s all situational and only Gareth and the execs know the true nature of the interchange.
      Wait until Gareth locks himself away for a week and tweets about how much better his version is, then we’ll talked petitions.

      • June 3, 2016 at 7:06 am
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        Exactly. Even if the rumours are true (a big “if”), Gareth was not shooting his own screenplay. He was shooting Chris Weitz’s screenplay, which Chris McQuarrie was in the process of rewriting because it needed improvement. (And kudos to LFL for bringing in one of the industry’s best screenwriters to fix the issues they perceived.) I don’t see why Gareth would be upset about remaining in the director’s seat to see McQuarrie’s script edits through to completion.

        • June 3, 2016 at 6:00 pm
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          Actually I haven’t even thought of that facet of things … nice point.

      • June 3, 2016 at 2:45 pm
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        Of course was happy Samuel. He has no option. The problem of big studios. They give you a lot of money and they can decide to change things with low levels of cinematography knowledge, just because they put the money.
        We need more director’s creativity.
        Fortunetly there are good and minor studios out there who trust in director’s work.
        Look what happens with Duncan Jones with Warcraft. I just read first opinions and they are not good.
        And Duncan had personality and good vision with his first films

        • June 3, 2016 at 5:07 pm
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          Movies work best when they’re collaborative. Not when a director is refusing to listen to people. That doesn’t mean everything a nervous exec says is right either but we don’t know the tone of that conversation. Everyone’s jumping to the conclusion that it was acrimonious. Wait first.

          I don’t think Warcraft ever had a hope. It’s not the studio’s fault. Duncan Jones picked a project he cared about but a movie adaptation of a game whose setting, characters and “lore” are utterly derivative of every generic fantasy work was never going to be an inspiring piece of cinema.

          • June 3, 2016 at 7:00 pm
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            Yeah. I agree too. Just sometimes i think studios fail when they want more noise, more action, more humor and more cgi and giving what big audiences want, removing personality in a movie. Sorry for my english :p

          • June 3, 2016 at 7:03 pm
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            That’s true but it’s kind of the studio’s job! When a balance is found between the artistic excess and the commercial excess is when you get a good blockbuster movie.

            Your English is perfect btw.

        • June 3, 2016 at 5:58 pm
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          that’s not my point at all. What I’m saying is, all of your comments taken into account, there is still always the odd case of an artist receiving genuinely good advice — is that the case right here? I don’t know; that being my point.

          • June 3, 2016 at 6:51 pm
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            Sorry. You’re right. :p

  • June 3, 2016 at 3:56 am
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    Well, there could be 2 versions, theatrical release for all family ($$$) then a Blu-ray as Director’s dark cut (original idea)…of course the blu-ray from theatrical release (more $$$)….executive$ happy (then more opportunies of more SW movies), fans happy (to suppportt new & more SW movies)…and this are more jobs created (more people happy)….what could be wrong?

    • June 3, 2016 at 2:37 pm
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      I always think in those options. Probably is the future of home cinema. Interesting for director’s visions

  • June 3, 2016 at 4:16 am
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    Maybe it’s for the best that the movie isn’t a grit-fest; perhaps the Disney guys have been reading the reviews on the Warner/DC movies and thought “Ok, let’s NOT do that.”

  • June 3, 2016 at 4:59 pm
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    Just read this on another site: “around 40% of the film will be reshot over the period of eight weeks”

    I seriously hope this is a joke… 40%??? 40%?!?!?!!!!! That’s one hell of a directors cut….

    • June 3, 2016 at 6:45 pm
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      Yeah. I read that too.
      40% that’s a lot of footage. We are talking about 30, 40 minutes? Hope it’s not true. It makes no sense.

  • June 3, 2016 at 4:59 pm
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    They picked a director that made Godzilla boring, so what did they expect? Monsters was boring too.

    The first ‘Star Wars Story’ movie has to be a bit more in line out of the gate until they get their momentum established, then they can branch out. They still need to get the general public on board and to figure out it’s not a SAGA story.

  • June 3, 2016 at 5:35 pm
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    We don’t know what these shoots are going to change. If they add “levity” it means the movie is now too much “dark”, which sometimes means boring (look at “Attack of the Clones”).

    “Empire strikes back” is the darkest movie of the saga, but it still has a green speaking puppet. The first half of “Revenge of the Sith” is also light and funny, despite in the second half every good guy dies. Levity is always well accepted when it makes sense. If even Edwards is happy to reshoot, it means the current cut is too heavy to be a SW movie. I’m pleased if a SW movie’s not going to make me do harakiri because of the daaaaaaaaaaaark content.

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