UPDATE 2! Rian Johnson at Pinewood Studios! Star Wars: Episode VIII Script is Ready. Filming Begins Soon?
Several Star Wars cast members started teasing the fans about the upcoming Episode VIII. It appears that the script re-writes are done, the script is ready, and the cast has already read it. We’re probably just days away from the official start of principle photography.
January 30, 2016
As we already told you 2 days ago, Daisy Ridley first shared a photo with flowers and an appreciation note from Kathleen Kennedy.
Probably the bouquet was also accompanied by the finished Episode VIII script since just a day later Anthony Daniels revealed that he has just read it.
Just read Ep VIII and thought I'd share the story with you because I know you can't wait to hear it too. You do want to hear it. Don't you?
— Anthony Daniels (@ADaniels3PO) January 29, 2016
John Boyega went even further revealing on Snapchat that he is already training for his role as Finn in the movie:
John's snapchat: "Just finished training and all that for the next one, and as you can see… Finn is Back." pic.twitter.com/rfoPeIk5DX
— Noah Outlaw (@OutlawNoah) January 29, 2016
Interestingly enough, Carrie Fisher also appears to have been situated in the United Kingdom the day before Daniels revealed that he read the script – so it’s quite possible that the first script read has just taken place.
Blessed bitches & swag from most of us here in Pretty Good to GREAT BRITAN pic.twitter.com/QM8sbS5uZi
— Carrie Fisher (@carrieffisher) January 29, 2016
We are also waiting for the official confirmation of the end of the Rogue One filming. Exciting times indeed.
UPDATE!
January 31, 2016
After Anthony Daniels tweeted about the script, director Rian Johnson directly replied to him with the following message:
https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/693711355472396288
The picture really says it all. This is not the first time when Daniels is getting himself into trouble with his uncalled statements. You probably remember that he let a few slip and even made some strange comments about the original cast during the filming of The Force Awakens.
UPDATE 2!
February 1, 2016
Rian Johnson’s latest tumblr picture speaks for itself (see title image).
https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/694098674419417088
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“Exciting times indeed” doesn’t even begin to describe it!
PrinciPAL photography.
Grammar Nazi… One day the por spellers of the world will untie 😉
Dumbass. That’s spelled “p-o-u-r”.
My gohs, you really are friggin’ ratarded. It’s spelled “p-o-r-e”.
PrinciNTSC photography. 😛
Princi-NeverTheSameColor! 😛
(PAL rules)
BETA rules. I was initially stunned when, in 1999, all of my animation work was expected to be presented in beta 🙂
Oh god, the HYPE!!
Principal filming is about to begin, but I would be willing to bet pre-production with, 2nd and 3rd units are likely already filming.
Can’t wait to go on set in Dubrovnik,it would amazing if they shoot something in Knin’s fortress,since it is not really far,it really nice fits for Luke’s island
I want that to be the first Jedi temple.
Agree,I really want to spread this about that fortress,so maybe someone from Disney see it,because if they have in script about Jedi Temple,I really think they want to use that fortress as that Temple
Doesn’t Game of Thrones also do quite a bit of location shooting in the same city? Will be interesting to see the same location with different digital set extensions
Thank God..
It’s still surreal to me. Not only are we getting new Star Wars but one has already happened! Not only that but it was pretty dang good. Can’t believe I’m still so anxious about all this stuff. Going to be 33 this year… and I get giddy at this stuff 😛
As someone who just turned 40, I can tell you age is no barrier to feeling giddy about Star Wars ☺
Here here. Turn 40 3 weeks before TFA. Giddy for the films comics tv series and books.
i didn’t realize there were so many old fossils on this site. 😉
Yeah you should see my dinosaur
these two years will be worse than the previous three
I don’t think so because we get Rogue One, new books and a couple seasons of Rebels to hold us over for Episode 8.
We – at least I – had that too during these three years, but because I’m now familiar and love the sequel trilogy’s world as shown I just want to see how it develops more
We didn’t have Rogue one. We only had about a season and a half of rebels and a couple of new books the final year of release. We get about 2 seasons worth of rebels now, a few more books and a Star Wars film before 8. I love the sequel trilogy thus far to, but for me, this wait will be easier.
I guess so… but even Rogue one is a year away!
Lol 11 months. But yeah
Hopefully the script gets leaked soon. I forced myself not to read anything about TFA before watching it, but now I dont care. I want to know the damn story!
we got two of those things before too
This. Enjoy and embrace it all!
If it leaked id actually read it; if only to set my mind at ease that Disney didnt force Rian to placate them with fanfare bullshit and to know that EP VIII will fix the story telling issues of VII.
Amen there. Can only hope that (VII) was a once off, and now they get some original stuff happening involving the great characters they now have.
i do too, if only to stop you guys from complaining.
Couldn’t have said it better. 🙂
Not, you know, for like the good of the storytelling. Who’s more butthurt? The butthurt OP, or the buthurt who follows him?
Lol. Fair enough.;)
Dont worry you wont like it. You will never be satisfied.
So exciting, the whole movie making process has always interested me. I should have got a career in film rather than join the military and get stuck at my current work. Any updates on the lighting tech strike?
So exciting, the whole movie making process has always interested me. I should have got a career in film rather than join the military and get stuck at my current work. Any updates on the lighting tech strike?
Hey, Adam Driver was Marine Corps — don’t discredit yourself. 🙂
There are lots of technical advisor jobs for vets in films as well after you are done.
i notice the title is still absent. any guesses or suggestions?
Rise of the Knights
I like it. I was thinking, Heir to the Sith.
YES! Perfect! It describes Kylo, it references Heir to the Empire, and it sounds cool!
The Wookie Legged Doormat.
“Gonk’s Revenge”
Episode VIII: Skywalk that walk
Hopefully this one will be better than Force Awakens… Yeah, remember that film? It quickly left your system, didn’t it? With each passing day… I thought it’d stick with me a little longer, but the holes in it and the erratic nature of it are glaring now…
C’mon Rian old buddy, don’t let me down…
Style over substance. TPM had despite its flaws more memorable moments.
I have to dispute that. TPM was a slow boat to nowhere. You could take it out of canon today and lose nothing to the overall story(except maybe maul).
Now hold on we see how obi wan and Anakin met and also learn about the chosen one mythology, what the sith are and that they have returned, that Anakin is a gifted pilot and that he was born of the force. We also get introduced to all the main players in the prequels and see amidala serving as queen, as well as meeting Anakin. We also get the origins of c3po and r2d2. All pretty big events important to the canon.
as you like. i was going debate this further, but nothing i can say or you can say will change our minds on this issue, i’ve learned that much over the years when it comes to the PT. if you think TPM is worthwhile then i will respect your opinion.
We never needed to know the ins and outs though. Not everything had to be explained
The question is: Why is that important to Anakin’s character?
Answer: Because he’s unlikeable.
The subtle moves by Palpatine mean nothing to the overall story for you then. Judging by the reference to Maul you prefer the flashy stuff over plot.
Oh yeah, subtle.
Palpatine: “Hey Anakin, the dark side can teach you how to save pregant women from dying during child birth!”
Anakin: *is too dumb to notice Palpatine’s obvious knowledge of his predicament*
I think you’re confusing the films…..rabid fanboy.
Palpatine is present/trying to take over during all 3 films, is he not? I’m not confused. I’m simply pointing out that his “subtle moves” aren’t so subtle. Don’t get butthurt when people go against your opinion.
Umm….you’ll find I was pointing out he was subtle in TPM, don’t be an arse when you’re pointed out to a rabid fanboy and can’t cope with those that disagree. I see you had to have the last word before in the other thread, so I guess that’s one prediction right so far. If you can’t take being called a fanboy you should think twice before making such remarks yourself.
Dude, chill. This is nothing personal, so don’t get riled up. No one likes a jerk stankin’ up the comments, and neither of us should be that jerk. Calm tf down.
You have point and I apologise. However I do find the assumption that people are ‘rabid fanboy’ or ‘butthurt’ offensive, so leaping into a different thread with a remark on a different stage of the trilogy to make a point seemed low.
Don’t get me wrong I felt Lucas’s totally bodged the prequels. There are moments of gold within though. Palaptine’s machinations are one of those, while the romance between Anakin and Padme is clearly not.
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I have to disagree with you. The Sidious/trade federation stuff was very thinly written. To the point that even an outline of their plan(s) makes little real sense. Maul was, probably intentionally, almost a non-character. I actually sort of liked seeing warrior monks deal with a Sith killing machine (almost a robot). I didn’t like the fact that the setting made zero sense. Where is this power plant thing? Under the royal palace?
I don’t see how its thinly written tbh. Sidious needs a ploy in order to make a move upon becoming Chancellor. He simply creates tensions between his home planet and the federation, being it trade routes, tax, whatever boring political stuff you like, brings it to a crisis point in the Senate to discredit the current Chancellor and then makes his move to be voted in. Maul should of been used into the 2nd film, but then I suppose its all about new characters equals extra toy sales as well.
“Boring political stuff” isn’t substance unless it makes sense… Otherwise it’s filler.
That’s your point of view. I found showing how Palaptine was manipulating his way to power important.
If it had been written better, I’d agree with you. In a few lines, A New Hope did a perfect job of explaining the politics of the Empire: “The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away forever.” A few sentences and BANG, you understand exactly whats going on in this galaxy. A few exchanges later and you understand how the Empire’s army is going to solidify this young government’s power. No guessing, just some well written exposition that sets the stage for the more interesting parts of the story.
The Phantom Menace lacked this clarity. I do think there were interesting ideas, but they weren’t explained very well. I think the plot was supposed to look something like this:
1) The Republic (specifically the Senate) is failing. Palatine, and most likely the Sith, have been waiting for it to come to this point of failure of many years (centuries maybe?)
2) Palatine wants to use the Republic’s own failings against itself. He hates freedom and wants to see freedom fail, more or less, on its own.
3) Apparently the resources of the Republic have been carved up by huge corporations. These corporations influence the government
4) Palpatine (as Sidious) chooses one of the weaker corporations (Trade Federation), promising to grant them more resources/power in exchange for something he doesn’t really care about (maybe a spit of the wealth).
5) Palpatine’s plan is to have the Trade Federation invade his wealthy home planet of Naboo. They are promised access to it’s wealth, resources and senate seat. The Trade Federation thinks that they will be able to use this to negotiate or force better tax rates & generally increase their influence.
6) Palpatine has calculated that other greedy interests will want to exploit the situation, causing gridlock in the Senate. The better aspects of the Republic, including the Jedi, will be overwhelmed by the various parties’ greed.
7) No matter what happens with all this squabbling, Palpatine, a member of the senate, will be able to reach some kind of an peace agreement with the Trade Federation (who he is secretly backing).
8) In the eyes of the political class this will make him appear to be a strong politician who can deal with the corporations. In the eyes of the Corporations this will make him look like a guy they can negotiate with. In the eyes of the public this will make him look like a victim of oppression who becomes a hero.
9) In the meantime, the Jedi Have lost a champion (Qui-Gon), the Sith have lost a champion (Maul) and a new & more powerful champion may have been found (little Annie). A balance thing?
10) The Jedi (who are weakening) have become aware of the Sith (who are growing stronger) Another balance thing?
11) I’d wager that in the original draft the fact that Little Annie was a Slave and Padme’s people were being enslaved was more important.
Unfortunately, The Phantom Menace never bothers to explain anyone’s motivation. Characters just do things because the story needs to move along. This forces viewers to come up with theories (like these).
A few extra line of dialog (written better than I can) would have done it:
Viceroy: “Sidious is a fool, once we control Naboo’s wealth and seat in the senate we’ll have the power to do whatever we want… with him or without him”
Palatine: “The Sith have always known that freedom leads to corruption! We waited for this Republic to fail, as all free governments must!”
Yoda: “Perfectly aligned, are Palpatine’s supporters. To the people he’s a great man, to the politicians he’s a strong man and to the corporations he’s a shrewd man”
IMO, in a better movie all of this political stuff would have been used to set the stage for a more dynamic conflict between the heroes and Palpatine’s agents.
Whatever. What’s done is done.
I’m going to exit this particular conversation. IMO, for all it’s open ended questions The Force Awakens makes more sense than the prequel movies in the ways that matter. Each character has a clearly defined set of motivations, with even more hinted at. To your original point, these character moments are the substance that gules the big actions sequences together and makes them memorable. That’s just my opinion. I guess we’ll see in a few decades.
So far, I like this new trilogy. I’d rather look forward to the next two movies than back to the PT films than I’m not as fond of.
Palpatine is the only important character in TPM.
Which is why the movie is a throw-away. There’s nothing else that happens in it that’s important.
They literally could have done the exact same plot as AOTC and had Senator Palpatine be elected Chancellor to approve the army.
Actually that would of been a great way to start the prequels. Always felt Anakin was introduced to young personally, but I guess Lucas wanted a origin story.
It would have left time to actually show the Clone Wars, and we wouldn’t get bogged down in the corporate plot stuff and chosen one stuff.
AOTC as Ep. I, then an Ep. II full of fun Obi-Wan & Anakin Clone Wars adventures, and maybe a Jedi traitor that Anakin is forced to hunt down and confront (the Ahsoka arc from CW), thereby sowing the seeds of his discontent heading into Ep.III.
That would of worked nicely. I blame the need to fill in gaps with comics, cartoons and books.
I often wonder where the trend started to be really incorporated. I know there always was the expansion of material, but these days films seemed to be planned with holes to be filled by comics, etc
More memorable moments? TPM has been around for 16 years while TFA has been around for about 2 months. It might be a bit too early to judge just how “memorable” the two films are compared to each other.
We will see. I just recall the buzz before and after in regard to the Pod Racing and Maul, not seeing it this time.
Buzz about Kylo and his lightsaber.
Buzz about Finn having a lightsaber.
Buzz about Luke.
Buzz about Han’s death.
And plenty of quotable and memorable lines.
Really…
Oh look the lightsaber has a cross guard………still not as iconic as Maul after all these years.
The buzz around Finn having a lightsaber is concerning if he is to be a new Jedi, so a plot element not yet fully answered.
Buzz about Luke……..I’m not sure about everyone else, but yeah I was excited to see what he would be doing in the film, now we know it was basically nothing I don’t feel anything…
Han’s death is about the only bit that will be talked about for years in your list to be honest thus retaining its appeal.
“still not as iconic as Maul after all these years”
Let me repeat this. The film has been out for TWO MONTHS. You do not know what will and will not be remembered from it, and you should not compare how iconic Kylo’s saber is to how iconic Maul’s is, because Maul’s saber has been around for 16 YEARS. You can not predict the future, and your attempts at doing so only reveal that you are indeed a rabid fanboy who wants to find any excuse possible to hate on TFA and glorify TPM. It’s pathetic.
Rabid fan-boy?
I’m not the one that started with the hate. I simply said I felt despite its ‘FLAWS’ TPM had more depth, so I’m hardly saying its a great film and TFA is overly dreadful. It had STYLE but little SUBSTANCE, so don’t blame me for you’re over reaction. IMO TPM had both, but had over flaws which I admitted and so fails in other ways. TFA could of been a fantastic, but again fails.
Really am surprised you think Kylo’s lightsaber has the same iconic ability to Maul’s. I recall everyone still talking about ‘that’ lightsaber for some time after, yet not much is mentioned now on Kylo’s.
You’re belief that you can tell someone what they should or shouldn’t do is staggering. I have every right to make a prediction. Then following up that rant with a degrading remark only shows you’re true colours in not accepting others opinions.
Mmmmmm…no. You tried to pass off your predictions as widely accepted fact, and I pointed that out. Get over it.
Well you really do read into things don’t you. At what point am I saying these things are most likely widely accepted fact when for example talking about Luke I say how I felt.
“TPM had despite its flaws memorable moments”
I don’t see you indicating that this is your opinion anywhere in the sentence. It sounds to me like you’re trying to state a fact. Just sayin’.
But that’s you’re interpretation. If I said “AT AT’s are great cause they have four legs” it doesn’t mean I’m stating a fact that the greatness is caused by the four legs. I’m sorry but you’re leaping to conclusions.
Okay.
Maul is iconic for the fact that he died and was underused. lol
Lol true.
I liked the TPM end credits, apart from that, not so many.
Substance? Oh come on, it’s been decades and I’ve still never read a coherent explanation of the Trade Federation’s plans. Jumping a movie ahead, the creation of the clone army is very poorly explained. It isn’t just a mystery, the onscreen explanations & reactions don’t add up. I’ll happily trade a few contrived sequences (pod race, Gungan city) for a story with characters do things for reasons that make logical/emotional sense — not just to get to the next story-boarded “memorable sequence”.
You don’t get that the Trade Federation are pawns and the crisis is created by Palpatine in order to get himself into a position to be elected as Chancellor? Its quite simply, we don’t need to know the exact specifics do we?
In regard to the creation of the Clone Army I would agree the whole mystery Jedi Syfo whatever his name wasn’t needed, but is a creation of the need to have comics, books, etc, fill in the holes. I thought since Tyrannus picked Jango Fett as the template he did it all and pinned it on a missing Jedi, but I believe its not according to other material which may or may not be cannon now.
Sure they’re dupes, but what did the Trade Federation think they were doing?
Not watched in a while, but it was my assumption they felt heavily taxed and so it was for them a protest against the Senate. Sidious pushed things into an invasion, or since they were Battleships in orbit he had convinced them a show of force was required from the start.
If they wanted to protest against the taxation, than why was the whole invasion in secret? The whole thing would make sense if the Trade Fed would blackmail the Senate with the blockade, but in secret it makes absolutely no sense. And btw why does a TRADE fedaration (a corporation for trading) have a large army, a viceroy (that role was used to subsitute kings, not by corporations) and a seat in the Senate?
And what was Palpatine’s plan actually? Was he trying to let Padme fly to Coruscant to initiate the vote for no confidence? In that case he should’ve let Padme fly to Coruscant, but was constantly trying to stop her! What if she dies on the ship when the Trade Fed was shooting at them? He was even trying to kill them on Tatooine! Why? Would he use her as a martir? But the whole invasion was under secret! Valorum couldn’t be acused with something he couldn’t even know about. Especially because Naboo is a small and unimportant planet.
And what if the Seante just simply uses the two jedi as witness and proof for the invasion, you know two trusted guardians of the peace? Than Valorum would’ve started to take action and there wouldn’t be any vote for no confidence at all…
And after Padmé actually started the vote on Coruscant, he was STILL trying to make her sign the treaty! Again that makes absolutely no sense at all. He got what he wanted, so why the fckin treaty?!
Well Lucas is making out the Federation to be cowardly, so indirect confrontation with the Senate against a minor planet that just happens to be the Sith Lord’s home is easier to manipulate. In regard to the political make up of the Senate and titles used, its in a galaxy far, far, away, where even a Queen is voted into office. I don’t think that really matters.
In answer to Palpatine’s plan, you’re forgetting he’s the Senator for Naboo. Its only a secret for as long as he requires. If the Queen dies it creates a greater up roar in the Senate that he can use, it the treaty is signed he says its forced and so can use that angle in the Senate. The two Jedi sent was out of his control, but it was always the plan to invade Naboo for greater effect in the Senate. Of course he’s happy for Padme to return and the federation to continue with efforts for a treaty to be signed, he’s got Maul on site to clean up loose ends. He would disappear into the shadows and the next thing you know the new Chancellor has a reason for an army already.
Your reply only reminds me how pointless these arguments are. I dont know why I started it again, it was a mistake I’ve been making for more than 10 years now constantly, ever since TPM was released. Fanboys like you will protect those terrible movies regardless of a any logical reasoning. But Im going to play the game.
Making out the Fedaration cowardly? Wtf would that gain for him? We are talking about a galaxy sized Republic with trillions of people and probably millions of cases like that taxation debate regarding a small planet every day. Who cares if a Trade Fedaration (like WTO?) is coward? Its mostly a corporation for Trading, not a political roleplayer primarily.
1,
If he wanted the Queen to be dead than why didnt he killed her in the first place? Why even bother with the treaty? Creates a greater roar up? What, that small planet in the noware with the secret invasion? How would he have any evidence that it actually happened? The Senate also needed an independent comittee to validate those acusations. Dont forget that the Trade Fed would constatntly deny the execution of the Queen, and considering the whole invasion was under secret, they could easely say that it was an accident or whatever. Palpatine on Coruscant couldn’t forge any credible proof against the Trade Fed, which is directly next to the situation with its infrastructure and bureocracy. And no matter what Sidious commands them they wont act against their on interest (btw why are they even bow to Sidious’s will? They have an army, seat in the Seanate an clearly enough money. What could a powerless Palpatine promise them for risking everything the Trade Fed built up?).
2,
Ok, lets say the treaty is signed and Padmé never leaves Naboo. What happens next? Palpatine reveals the Senate about the invasion. 2A) How would he prove it? 2B) And who cares? Why would anyone care about that small probely merely caused by the Trade Fedaration? It has nothing to do with Valorum, as it was in complete secret, he shouldn’t even know about it. IN FACT, it would only strenghten Valorum’s position as his assumptions and early actions (sending the two jedi) about the blockade were correct!
If Palaptine somehow reveals the invasion with enough evidence, than Valorum would just start taking actions and its over. No vote for no cofidence at all. And Palpatine is exactly where he started.
3,
Its all the same if the Queen dies, Palpatine can’t prove that the Trade Fed did it, and Valorum can’t be blamed for his actions as the whole invasion was completly under secret and he never had the chance to do anything about that relative unimportant tax-dispute (if you take into consideration that a galaxy sized Republic probably deals with 1000s of similar cases every day).
4,
,,Of course he’s happy for Padme to return and the federation to continue with efforts for a treaty to be signed”
Why exactly? Padmé was so idiot that she realised something that she should’ve known long before she travelled to Coruscant (as a Quen she must’ve learned it) that the Senate and the jurisdiction are slow decesion makers. And then she just goes back without any help from the jedi or support form anyone esle. She just returns the planet the same way she departed from it in the beginning of the movie.
But the blockade is gone for some inexplicable reason and there is only one ship… I guess the rest took a tea pause.
But returning to Palpatine, after Padmé starte the vote, he simply accomplished what he wanted. He should’ve just easely step out and cut every contact the Trade Fed. The more time he spends with those guys the more chance he will have to get caught when they will start to point fingers in the end (as every roleplayer in politics would). Why did he still wanted that fckin treaty after he acomplished what he wanted? With or without that idiot treaty he will be chancellor, so who cares?
Bw, the fact that the senators voted Palpatine to the new chancellor just also proves how terribly written and unrealistic the whole political scenes are. If the senators would have at least the brain capacity of a lamp, they would most likely realise that something was wrong with the whole ,,confilct”, as a random powerhungry senator (Palpatine) from the same nooname planet from where the conflict emererged, suddenly waves his hand about a confilct that would only really benefit him. Ofc, Lucas could always use the ,,dark side clouded them” crap, but than just please dont try to say that it isnt written terribly bad.
Ok _ I think to be honest you’re over thinking the entire movie and the fact that you’re writing such argument point by point suggests that maybe you should look in the mirror and ask if you are a fanboy that feels betrayed in some way by Lucas for not fulling you’re vision of what the prequels should of been. The target audience in case you didn’t realise wasn’t aimed at physicists or 40+ who grew up with the OT, but a new generation. Though before you attack me for being part of that generation I should point out I’m 41.
Yes much of it is poorly written. Who in their right mind would defend all those romance scenes, not me for certain. However, the general concept of Palatine using both sides is there to see, unless part of the new generation who didn’t know whom Palatine was to be and had yet to watch the OT.
However, back to my original point that I made to the OP before you felt the need to lecture, even with its faults and badly written scenes, TPM has the substance and background that TFA does not. TFA jumps straight into the action and doesn’t really explain how the new Republic needs a separate Resistance led by Leia to counter the threat of the First Order. I only watched TFA once due to family, but that opening crawl text is as flimsy as TPM.
I’m not going to continue this discussion as you seem set in you’re position and think its my fault you’ve been brought into, which is quite odd to be honest. I don’t understand the need to launch into a debate that you don’t even want and as I said at the start of this reply accuse others of being a fan-boy…….
Re-reading my comment it was indeed offensive and the rant was completly unnecessary. I have to apologise. Im only in my 20s yet, so not really the original SW-fan generation.
Usually I dont really care too much about movies and never overthink them.
Star Wars is an exeption. When I was a kid and first saw ESB in the TV I was completly blown away by the imperial walkers. I can easely say Star Wars kinda inspired me to this profession. I will always be a Star Wars fan, so I will make an exeption with those movies and I’ll over-analyse them.
I know that the prequels were mostly aimed to the younger generation. But the political sceneries were supposed to be the ones that were aimed toward us, adults.
But if you go really deep into the story, and involve yourself with the events I think its pretty easy to realise how atrociously those were written. The plans of the Trade Fedaration, the plans of Sidious all and how all those were exectued is just pure madness.
And I think its even worse in ep II. Some jedi named Syfo Dias ordered the creation of a clone army? How does that work? You just go to the reception and call miss Daisy to order one? Who financed it, and by what? How could it be remain a secret? Why does nobody know about Kamino? And if nobody knows about it than how did Syfo Dias? How can Kamino have the infrastructure to build enitre armies if its a secret place? How could nobody notice that? And why does a Republic which consists of thousand of star-systems even need to order an army? Why dont they just use their own militia? Or not even a single star system has it own army? Thats just nonsense… But I wont start the rant again.
About episode VII. Imo it was good. I enjoyed it, but it wasnt exceptionally good or something. It was indeed too fast paced and didnt expand the lore too much.
I think the most memorable scene was Han’s death. The artistic play with dark and light really got me there… But episode VIII needs to be a lot better than VII (story-wise) if Disney wants this trilogy to work.
No worries the love of Star Wars can can do funny things. I do tend to agree with you that the prequels are poorly written. I don’t defend that at all, its just I feel the overall arc of the story isn’t as bad as often made out, rather it is poorly executed in both fine tuning and directing. I’m still not sure Syfo Dias has been addressed, so I agree totally on that and blame the use of other mediums such as cartoons, etc, that are relied upon to fill in such glaring questions.
This is why I originally commented that I felt VII had more style than substance. The story is there for I, its poorly written and directed, bt to me felt it had more depth and originality than VII (which I still enjoyed, but wish there wasn’t a giant Death Star or trench run, with a guy that even looked like Porkins).
Fanboys will always attack those movies…….I don’t why such people will jump into threads simply to attack, but then I’m not a physicist over thinking the plots of movies aimed primarily at youngsters.
But the whole thing was done in secret. When confronted in the senate scene they denied everything. Holding the planet doesn’t appear to be strategically important. What do they gain? I’m fine with the Trade Federation being dupes — but what did they think that they were getting?
I suppose for the Federation, who are portrayed as cowardly, once they have the treaty signed and control of the planet they feel there is nothing the Senate can do. If this was successful then Senator Palaptine/Sideous still gets to use the inaction of the Senate in helping him push a vote of no confidence. He’ll fight to say the treaty was forced, so its pretty worthless.
Why are you mad online?
Uh, no. Saw it again this week. Looking forward to the Blu Ray release. Very good Star Wars movie, far better than the prequel fiascos. Restored the franchise to its former quality, left us all anticipating more. It accomplished everything it needed to.
Ever consider the speed of our culture is horrifically different from the past?
I can’t wait the VIII. I’ve just seen on 25 december the VII and I am so exited that in the VIII i’ll know if Kylo Ren died or not that i already ate a pillow XD (Just kidding).
Even that tiny look at what the script looks like is beautiful the stark white just beautiful
I just have read the book and the last dialogue between Han and Leia left an open question.
Han told Leia that he had something to talk with her about, but for one reason they postponed it to their next meeting, never happened.
Any clue?
Will we know that in Ep. VIII?
Maybe Kylo knows?? Han did touch his face before dying, I wonder if it was a mind-message?
NO! BAD SCI-FI NERD!! NO MIND MELDS IN SW! PARTICULARLY NO MIND MELDS FROM NON-FORCE SENSITIVE CHARACTERS! NO TREAT FOR YOU!!!
Well if Kylo can probe minds with the force, which he clearly can because he did it once with Poe and tried it with Rey, and that was just what was shown in the movie. It doesn’t seem too far stretched of an idea that Kylo possibly read into Han’s mind right as he was dying. That would also explain why Kylo didn’t react quick enough to Chewbacca’s bowcaster shot, not counting any potential emotional trauma that may have had right after killing his own father.
Since when was a mind message a mind meld? Han didn’t [couldn’t] impart anything to Ben, but he COULD think a specific thought knowing that Ben would read his mind and overhear it, the touch being a nudge to make sure the dude was paying attention. So more like a reverse-mind-read than it is a mind-meld,
When I read the book I wondered if it was related to Rey.
Han didn’t touch Ben’s face in the book.
“Leia…I’m….I’m PREGNANT.”
… and the father is Chewie…”
I love you? Let’s get back together?
Just a wild guess. 😉
Do you love me?
Thank you!
I love you too 😉
A big hug from this part of the galaxy (near the first jedi temple). 😀
I think this is the first SW film written by one lone writer. Unless there are some ghostwriters they haven’t mentioned yet?
I thought that was the whole kerfuffle a couple of weeks ago – Chris McQuarrie was brought in to script doctor?
That was for Rogue One.
Rogue One which really does make this Johnson’s baby. I’m just glad he has a more solid track record than Abrams when it comes to writing.
well, not exactly. TPM was written in one draft by lucas on a yellow legal pad. 😉
Carrie Fisher was rumored to have ghost written some of the dialogue. Probably the few lines that didn’t suck.
Lucas wrote: “boom de gasser, den crash de bosses’ heyblibber, den banished!”
He was never the best writer of dialogue out there but it’s amazing how much worse he got since the 70’s/80’s.
Try spinning, that’s a cool trick!
ANH doesn’t have the best dialogue of the saga but it’s hard to believe the same who wrote most of it also did the same for the PT.
“I thought I smelled your foul stench when I got on board!”
*says in British accent*
Real reason is Carrie went to finishing school when that was shot, Film reason was because the UK accent is the Imperial one which she would have graduated from.
it wouldn’t surprise me if she wrote the lines for jar jar while high, while not expecting george to take it seriously.
Best part about ghostwriting is that there’s no way of knowing who wrote what. I bet Tom Stoppard is happy about that.
i had to google mr stoppard’s resume, but yes i bet he is. 😉
The PT is like cinematic AIDS killing everything it touched.
no kidding. there was a movie that came out over the weekend with padme, obi-wan, and uncle owen in it(three established, solid actors) and it tanked hard. the curse lives on.
I heard Owen would come back to do the Obi-Wan film and clearly Ewan would but I think Natalie would need more than Ford got to return. Lol.
Well, hopefully the short turnaround on the rewrites means they were looking at tightening dialogue, and some very minor shifts between characters, rather than a complete overhaul. Fingers crossed!
I agree. Still as happy as I am to see the film go into production as quick as possible, I don’t understand starting the filming of a movie in February of 2016 that will come out in December of 2017. This is an even larger gap than the one TFA had.
MAybe that’s a good thing. The longer they have, the more time they have to finish the movie and make it awesome.
Better to have more time than to be rushed. Also, until recently the release date was scheduled for May 2017, which doesn’t make it sound like a huge amount of time for a big budget movie.
That’s all it was ever rumoured to be. It was never stated anywhere that it was a complete overhaul. Tweaks and minor re-writes are very common in all movies.
Even the TFA had late additions. Ewan McGregor’s voice was added to the script in Rey’s vision just days before it’s release. The young girl in the vision, playing the younger Rey, was cast and added just months before the release date.
wow, props to JJ for making that call that late in the game. both added a lot to the film.
But wait, Tony, is it the bestest Stars War ever?
NO! BUT! EVERYONE HERE SAID THE SCRIPT REWRITE WAS GOING TO LEAD TO A HORRIBLE MOVIE AND DISNEY DIDN’T REALLY BELIEVE IN THE DARK MOODY STELLAR SCRIPT THAT RIAN WROTE* AND NOW WE HAVE ESB THE SEQUEL AND THE SKY IS FALLING AND NOW EVERYONE SEEMS HAPPY ABOUT THIS?
You’re all worse than Trump voters.
*No one even knows what the script looked like before the rewrite to make this assertion.
What are you rambling on about?
You must not have been in the comment section when they first officially announced the rewrite.
You should go find the article and read them, then you’ll understand.
i think more people were just bummed it was being delayed six months.
Most were, but a very vocal minority automatically assumed that the script rewrite was so that Lucasfilm could force Rian to change VIII into an Episode V rehash, despite the fact that there was no actual evidence of such a thing.
Bet on it. Episode 7 was delayed for the same amount of time and the script was changed to imitate a new hope. History often repeats itself.
and yet you still decided to appear in the film. 😉
Oh snaps, your offer deductive reasoning to come to this conclusion, careful, you may blow the minds of TUD and American Ignorant. Especially for the right wingers, critical thinking is a step too far for them.
Stop it, before they gang up on you. Then again, who cares what they think.
The hate and discrimination is strong with you.
Why the fuck are you bringing American politics into this? This is about Star Wars. We don’t need or care about your extra baggage. Leave it at home.
true enough. i don’t like it though when people assume that the “vocal minority” speaks for the fans as a whole.
Besides the fact they just made a episode 4 rehash. That little pesky detain still hangs large over everything.
But hot damn, who cares about a vocal minority when you can have guys like you, Super Duper Starwars fans, da, da, da, we come to save the day!
And I thought tool was a band.
Donald Trump for Galactic Emperor!!! 😉
Trump is a dunderhead, but Sanders looks like an Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious kind of guy. In fact, put him in Sidious’s robes and Sanders looks just like a Sith Lord….LOL
We have to rely on the few existing information sources: What people said about the original script. And if Benicio Del Toro (from fckin Unusual Suspects!) said it was a great script, I belive him. JJ also praised it, and I belive him aswell. And judging by Rian Johnson’s previous work I would also make that assumption.
The fact that they rewrote the script isnt a good sign at all. Rian Johnson probably had very good reasons for the weight of the new characters. Im not saying Disney ruined Rian’s work for the sake of a more Disney-fitting film, but I wouldn’t be suprised of thats the case. Lets hope its not.
Johnson wrote all previous drafts. Johnson was responsible for any and all revisions. You claim to trust Johnson to turn out quality work, so why are you getting a bug up your ass?
Because we know Disney forced J.J. Into playing it safe with scre tactics. Who says they didn’t do it to Rian too?
So if they made JJ play it safe from the get-go, why would they allow Johnson to write a super-ambitious, dark, original script and then make him perform a major rewrite two weeks before production was originally slated to begin? They’ve already shot some footage, sets have been built, costumes have been created, make-up and creature effects are done, and locations have been scouted and scheduled–all based on that original script. If they in fact had screwed Johnson over and made him go back and toss the majority of what he’d initially created, there would have been a much longer delay.
No, I’ve never said that. Ep VII is JJ and Kasdan’s work and Disney had minimal involvement with it. The fact that it turned out to be so similar to ANH was merely their decision.
The rewrites are however are definitely Disney’s. The official explanation that it only concerns some new minor character could be tremendious lies. We have to wait 2 years to figure out the truth, but I really hope Rian will post his original script aswell for comparsion.
I never said you said that. If you’ll notice, that comment was not in response to any comment you made. That’s why the arrow doesn’t point toward your name.
Since you brought it up, there has been no official word on the reason for the purported rewrites. All we have is what a reporter says his source claims is the reason. No one at Disney or Lucasfilm has commented or sent out a press release, nor has any member of the cast or crew said anything. But given the timeframe, it’s far more likely Johnson performed a minor revision or polish. A couple weeks is in no way enough time to radically overhaul the story. If Disney had forced him to chuck most of what he’d written, we’d be looking at a months-long delay in production. A retooling as big as what you suspect would have affected every department.
Shut up, you have a Hannity AVI. All you right winger are American ignor…
Being happy the script is done is one thing, assuming Disney is gonna make a play it safe movie again is another. Deal with it.
And Hannity and his kind created the Trump voters, thanks a lot.
His comment was sarcastic.
LOL…both left wing and right wing folks can be ignorant….especially left wingers…
Please find a fire and die in it.
I wish they are visiting Wookie planet in this new Episode, it seemed cool in TROTS.
just in time for life day too.
NEVER SPEAK OF THAT!
i told myself i’ll be strong and not follow leaks for episode 8.. this is going to be VERY difficult.
Visiting this site that is not possible…
visiting star wars leaks subreddit is even worse… if you’ve never been there, don’t. it’s a dark dark place.
As you have described it, I think I should enter there accompanied by a wookie…
Here we go again….
I’m going to go ahead and assume that a script penned by Rian Johnson and tweaked by Christopher McQuarrie is going to be pretty freaking awesome.
I thought McQuarrie was tweaking Rogue One’s script.
I don’t think it’s been said who’s doing the Ep 8 rewrites.
Johnson did the rewrites himself.
May be he was twerking it instead tweaking…
I ain’t paying to see that.
Guessing the first two words of Episode VIII are ‘A’ and ‘Long’.
Hmm, you may be on to something here. MAJOR SPOILER!!!!!
SW is ruuuuuuuinnnnneddd noooooooooooooo!!!!!!
I’m going to go ahead and assume its no secret that Episode VIII script is done and Daniels was simply kidding around about spilling secrets and Rian in response was doing the same thing.
Instead of assuming that Daniels uttered a strong secret that nobody wanted to let slip, getting him in trouble and RIan is telling him to shut up about it on twitter.
Pretty sure everyone was joking around especially Rian 😛
Seemed to me the update here took it a little seriously in that last paragraph so I was being an ass.
Another tease and there was some guy on IMDB that worked at Pinewood who confirmed seeing the script and more Leia whatever that means. I can’t wait for this movie’s Mizzlewump to show up on 4chan and give some out of date details from the early script. Darth Ruin? No. Spoilerman was even worse but fun for whatever that proved to be.
Darth Psychotic on MilleniumFalcon.com Forum can leak some more artwork this next October and most of it will be unused.
We need to find this movie’s jimjamjim from the TFN forums to give some a few, but key details. But only when they start filming at Pinewood.
Hope the title isn’t First Order Strikes Back.
I’m pretty sure it will be! -_-
The Wookies Menace.
My suggestion:
Triumph of the Order
Bringing back the old people theme I’d say its, The Alzheimers Awakens, The Orderlies Strike Back, and Return of the Decrepit.
I was honestly thinking it’d be something like “Rise of the First Order”
I hope Maz sticks around in the new movie,
I believe she will be stalking Chewie.
She s opening a new Bar/Castle in Kashyyyk!
The great small surprise of Ep. VIII should be that Luke is Poe´s Dad instead Rey´s.
Those are the facts:
Luke and Poe´s mother did missions together (alone) before Luke was a Jedi, so before Jedi´s celibate.
Luke gifted a force sensitive tree to Poe´s family.
Poe is the best pilot on the galaxy, regarding 2 best pilots before him?
The force is clearly with him, as it can be with Leia.
As we know about him, It would be more common that Luke left his son in a good family and farmers and then he joined the Resistance with her sister, than abandoning a 4 years old girl in desert.
So for what we know, it would be more likely Luke is Poe dad than Rey.
But this version of the story is very unlikely, I admit.
sorry, it’s already identified in a book who Poe’s father is – Kes Dameron. His mom is Shara Bey. Source is Shattered Empire.
Kes THINKS that he’s Poe’s dad. But the child was actually Luke’s #retcon
Poe was already born before the Battle of Endor. In shattered Empire 17 days after the Battle of Endor, Poes mother is speaking to a fellow pilot and says “I talked to my father and Poe last week, and…” Luke didn’t know her before that.
They can just come up with even more retcons involving mindwipes. I don’t think they should, but they totally can.
Are you sure of that?
I understood they were doing missions together before.
I know it, that is why I say it would be a soap opera about parenting.
I was just writing an unlikely way coming to my mind, we make theories about Rey´s parents because we don´t know them and they seem important for her in the movie, and it is Star Wars: “Luke, I am your father”.
But as long we know, even Poe and Rey could be sibblings!
Poe was already born before the Battle of Endor. In shattered Empire 17 days after the Battle of Endor, Poes mother is speaking to a fellow pilot and says “I talked to my father and Poe last week, and…” Luke didn’t know her before that
Yes, I knew when Poe was born.
I though the missions together were before Endor.
Has anyone posted that new interview with the ILM guys who stated that BB-8 was CG 40% of the time and that there was more special effects shots in TFA than TPM? People should read that.
The only CGI i didn’t like in TPM was Jar Jar and the Gungan/droid battle. If the Gungans had been actual humans i might have felt something.
If the Gungans had an actual battle plan it might have had an ounce of excitement. The teddy bears had a battle plan for Christs sake
JJ confirmed that a lot of the CGI in the film also involved the removing of wires and puppet sticks and puppateers in post production.
It’s not the CGI that sucked in the prequels. It was that starting with Episode II, we had sets that weren’t there; at all. And you can easily see this. And then by three, they took it the next level and were replacing even the main actors with CGI versions of themselves.
Point is, if you put VII next to I, II, III, the CGI is much less apparent because the amalgamation they used of actual sets and green screen blended the two realities together in a much more believable way.
The prequels still suck. Sorry.
“by three, they took it the next level and were replacing even the main actors with CGI versions of themselves.”
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As opposed to for no particular reason, replacing XW pilots with CG versions. Slow clap – kudos to you, TFA.
Kind of you to cherry pick that comment then take it out of context entirely.
Tony Daniels’ comment was made in humor of course, then, Johnson’s reply was equally made with tongue in cheek.
it was just Tony’s way of saying that 3PO is still in the film. It’s nothing like his diva attitude that he had a couple months back, talking about everyone else.
Star Wars Episode VII: The Training Montage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU9Uwhjlog8
C3PO was the worst part of Ep. 7. I can’t stand the character any more. I can’t believe he’s even in Ep. 8.
I know! God I wanted to punch him in his face when he interrupted Han and Leia’s reunion. He spoils that scene for me.
That moment was very much “in-character” for 3po, very much a “Star Wars” moment, and to be quite honest their reunion would have felt awkward if it hadn’t been cut short. It’s the way their entire relationship has been, tender moments cut short by extraneous events that pull them apart. It was that way throughout the OT, from what they said it was that way after the OT, and was exactly how it should have been handled. It was one of the little things that made the movie for me.
I love how cowardly, annoying and useless C3PO is. C3PO is a character in the classic Shakespeare tradition of literary cowards.
Actually that interruption was very 3PO very ESB. I thought it worked well and reminded me exactly of how he’d interrupt in ESB and wouldn’t shut up. Thought it worked great.
That’s exactly what I was saying.
Lets just see, Lucas had independent rights writing PT, the result, Mmm. Disney and co now writing viii, hopefully a fruitful concoction! But please listen to the audience! At the end of the day when OT was released we all excepted what we got and enjoyed it. The internet is the devil! I think AOTC KILLED 3po!
Derar god, don’t listen to the audience. That’s how we got things like the Yuzan Vong, and a joyless, self-important, soul-sucking EU. The audience are fanfic-writing idiots. Just tell a good story, and trust that people will respond to it, please.
Rian’s script may be burdened with the unresolved questions raised by JJ ‘s narrative.
He also may not like some of the protagonists or relationship introduced by JJ.
I feel apprehensive that his creative control over the script would be negatively influenced .
Well I take it you didn’t like TFA very much lol
No, TFA is one of the most emotional film of 2015, bringing back “delight”of OT.
Still, now what Episode 8 script needs is the originality, totally independent from nostalgia factor, which Rian is very much likely to tackle.
I think it (VIII) will still be reminiscent of the OT, just with a few wrinkles and original ideas thrown in. Disney knows what made TFA work, and I’d be shocked if some of that wasn’t retained.
But it is good news that Rian’s got this one. He’s gonna do his best to make a movie worthy of the Star Wars franchise.
JJ did what he needed to do, and now we can expect a darker, possibly grittier, film.
if he didn’t like the basic things of the first movie he probably shouldn’t have agreed to write the next two. but this all conjecture. lets see what he does before we judge how it was or wasn’t affected by TFA.
Star Wars Episode: VII The Force Awakens
Star Wars Episode: VIII The Force has Breakfast
And finally..
Star Wars Episode: IX The Force Goes to Work
Episode X: The Force Comes Home after a Shitty Day and Gets Drunk Alone, then Falls Asleep Watching Youtube Porn. The Motion Picture.
autobiography? 😉
Best response ever.
ROASTED!
Listen, when I want your opinion, I’ll beat it out of you, k?
Projecting? No, I come home and drink alone, but only AFTER beating my kids to sleep.
I hope you realize that exact joke has been around for a year and is no longer funny at all because of people like you who keep reposting it while acting like they were the ones who created it.
Really? And I thought I was being original..but hey! It’s always good to hear from the very “unique” person who thinks they’re the center of the universe, and feels the need to comment because they get butt hurt from everything they see on the Internet.
What was the Tumblr post? It’s been deleted.
The picture that’s now linked to the article… he posted a pic from pinewood’s parking lot… 🙂
It does look like whatever the link was for Update 2 got deleted. Was it a tumblr or twitter post? Or both? (The link says tumblr, the url says twitter.) What was the picture? You’ve got our curiosity going now…
The picture that’s now linked to the article… he posted a pic from pinewood’s parking lot.
Ah! Got it. Thank you very much.