3 Similar Rumors from 3 Separate Sources About Luke’s Role in Star Wars: The Force Awakens!

luke_skywalkerA while ago, this bit of art circled the internet – it was eventually discovered to be a recreation of an image made of concept art that has since been leaked, and the belief that the big baddie of Episode VII has since been widely thought of as a sort of cyborg. The rumors even went further suggesting who that character is. BEWARE, major (rumored) SPOILERS will be discussed in this post, so read at your own risk.


The rumor concerns itself not only with the main antagonist, played by Adam Driver, but also the role of Luke Skywalker. The first bit of testimony comes from Kyle from our message board, The Cantina. He knew about the aforementioned concept art leak a little while before it happened, so we can place our trust in what he has to say. He notes that he got the information from one of his sources that showed him visual evidence of the scene described below. Actually Kyle first described this scene even before the concept art leak, when the scene was only described to him. That’s why you might be familiar with the outline of the scene. Now the description is much more detailed and perfectly fits with some other Luke rumors that were recently posted.


Here are excerpts from Kyle’s description:

Luke Skywalker, bearded and fully fleshed, raising a GREEN lightsaber at Han, who in turn has his classic blaster pointed at him. Adam Driver stands, not so much beside Han, but more off to the side. The perspective almost makes Driver look like he is in the middle. Driver looks concerned, but not frightened, more like he is pondering his next move.



I hate to say it, but Luke looks like a crazy person. I don’t know if he’s a villain, a cyborg, or a Jedi Master; but one thing is for sure, he’s a long way from the “Luke Skywalker here to rescue you”. It was actually a little unsettling to see.


Luke was in a tattered robe, but I couldn’t tell if it was fully brown or black, because it looked dirty and beat to s***.


Luke has some sort of gash or cut on his left forehead. Think Captain Kirk in Star Trek 3 after he fights the Klingon captain at the end. I guess it’s safe to say Luke looks like he just got his ass kicked.


Han looks like he is trying to reason with him, but also does not look happy to have a lightsaber pointed his way. His clothes look worn as well, and he appears somewhat disheveled. It’s unmistakably Han Solo, mostly because of his vest/white long sleeve shirt, as well as his blaster. He looks badass as ever.


Driver looks like he’s dressed business casual. Gray/black suit, with some sort of burgundy vest or jacket thing. It was hard to tell, of the three men, he was in the most dimly lit part of the frame. I still believe he’s the villain or secondary villain, but he just looks like a bystander here.



The three of them are standing in what I guess is a cave or some partially natural environment. The ground beneath them is gravel or dirt. The walls are definitely rock. The lighting is either from a small fire or an incredibly dim source.


The full post can be read here. BTW we got a confirmation from a second source that such photo, image or whatever it is, does exist.



Now first some backstory on the next story. Few days ago there were several rumors posted on 4chan that were completely fake. Not only did they sound ridiculous, but they also said that we at SW7N confirmed to them that the rumors are legit, and that we have sources inside Bad Robot. Both of these statements are a direct lie and I made sure to post a notice on our message boards. Of course I’m very far from saying that everything posted there is fake. After all the Mizzlelump rumors (which we also covered) were posted on that same place, and I have a reason to believe that they were legit.


Nevertheless, one of the posters from 4chan appears to be offended by our claim that some of the posts there are fake and posted the following plot details that actually match with what Kyle said and what Jason Ward from MSW shared further below. Here’s a direct quote.

(thanks to Cantina member Willibobo for sending me this)


(Beware, there are even bigger SPOILERS ahead)


>Luke brought a cataclysm to Tatooine soon after Return of the Jedi after he visited Anakin’s birthplace and for whatever reasons it’s changed him. It’s an even more desolate place now, there are meteor craters everywhere, you get the point, at first you won’t know that it’s even the Tatooine you’re looking at.


>Luke goes mad because he discovers he f***ing can’t control himself. He destroys everything around and kills people with his powers, unconsciously. He leaves his friends and lives in solitude on Mon Cal in a fortress of some f*** old sith lord because the dark side that clouds the place puts him in chains.



>Luke is now a Yoda + Paul Atreides, he f***ing sees the future, sees the past (that’s why the “flashback” scenes were filmed) and he’s basically a mentally unstable god.


>Nobody wants to have anything to do with him, but Han’s son (Adam Driver) wants to use Luke’s power for his own evil means.

So, last act of the movie (spoiler, but you’re going to read it anyway):


>Luke has a premonition about the destruction that Han’s kid will bring in the future and decides to kill him.


>Han is obviously mad as f*** at Luke.


>There’s a huge fight. It’s everyone vs Luke (Luke has his father’s red lightsaber here, so it’s obviously visually implied that he’s the bad guy). This fight is epic as f***.


>”But Luke isn’t the villain! But everybody thinks he is! Oh no, such a twist! Such darkness! It’s like ESB all again!”


>Han kills Luke, because Luke allows him to, “he trusts him”.


The second part of this sounds a bit too much. I personally have a strong reason to believe that this might not be too accurate but only time will tell.




And finally here’s a very interesting read posted by MSW almost together with the above article that does support part of the above rumors. The post is about the state of Luke in the movie that provides greater context to his appearance in this scene, and it highlights the essentials of his character arc in the film. One particular note is that he has stated that he believes he was mistaken about his previous speculation regarding Luke, and that what he has learned since then paints a much clearer picture of the character and the movie as a whole.


Here’s an excerpt of their story. For the full article visit MSW.

Luke Skywalker has become the most powerful Jedi ever, but he doesn’t believe he’s the wisest. He doesn’t want to make the mistake his father made by thinking he knows what’s right for the universe. Skywalker becomes somewhat deranged in his seclusion. He is consumed by his fear that if he should return to “society” his power could be misused, he could be manipulated, and he may accidentally hurt the one’s he loves.


For these reasons, to protect the galaxy and himself, Luke retreats into self-imposed exile for many years. I’m told he can’t always control the power. While he sits in a meditative state, he levitates things unconsciously and he’s not always in complete control and he’s never sure if he’s doing the will of the Force or acting on his own passions. Luke is seeing the past, the present, the future, “old friends long gone” and other things that prey upon his sanity.


You can definitely see the connection between these 3 stories. Actually the first and the third are a bit different, but the middle one serves like a bridge between the two. I also like that in all 3 pieces there is no word on the rumor that Luke is a cyborg in Episode VII. Since day one when that cyborg image leaked from Indie Revolver we’ve been saying that Luke is not a cyborg in Episode VII and that no major character will actually be. That’s what our source told us back then and we still stand behind his words.



Insane Jedi

Finally, we have a few words about the content of the rumor itself. You may or may not have noticed that this description of Luke Skywalker’s character bears a strikingly familiar resemblance to one many already know. In the Timothy Zahn trilogy of books from the 1990’s, known as “The Thrawn Trilogy,” we were introduced to a character named Joruus C’baoth. To quote Wookieepedia quoting Luke Skywalker from “Heir to the Empire”:

“But I really don’t think he’s a Dark Jedi. He’s erratic and moody, but he doesn’t have the sort of evil aura about him that I could sense in Vader and the Emperor. I think it’s more likely that Master C’baoth is insane.”


This character — a powerful and insane Jedi — seems to be what we’re potentially going to see in Episode VII. However, instead of being a clone of a dead Jedi this character is embodied in Luke Skywalker. Now, I can already hear the sound of a millions voices screaming as one, “THE EU IS DEAD!!!” Yes, of course, you are correct. The old EU is dead and will be over-written, but Simon Kinberg (for one) has told us already that the old EU is still fertile ground for cherry-picking concepts, ideas, characters, designs what-have-you:


“It’s certainly not off limits, it’s certainly inspiring. I’m working on an animated show for them as well [in] ‘Star Wars Rebels’ that will take inspiration from everywhere, but I know for the movies the canon is the canon and the canon is the six films that exist.”


In fact, the treatments for the Sequel Trilogy were written by George Lucas himself, so he could easily have merged a powerful future Luke with the character of this insane Jedi Joruus C’baoth, which is extremely intriguing. That said, all the usual caveats and salts apply. Let us know what you think about this potentiality either in the comments section or in The Cantina.



P.S. Special thanks to Echo-07 and Pomojema who also contributed to this article. As always these are just rumors. There’s no such thing as “something is set in stone” with this movie at this point. Even if something is legit, it may not end up in the movie. So treat everything with the proper amount of sodium chloride. Actually I really like the huge diversity of rumors from the last few months. It really makes the whole situation more confusing and contradictory. And that’s where the fun is. I really hope that still there will be many surprises in store for us on December 18, 2015.


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201 thoughts on “3 Similar Rumors from 3 Separate Sources About Luke’s Role in Star Wars: The Force Awakens!

  • November 7, 2014 at 12:01 am

    I did it! I scrolled through without reading anything!
    Ugh, it’s hard to keep myself from reading those things.

    • November 7, 2014 at 3:28 am

      No wonder Mark Hamill shaved off those beard, Luke became a Force Ghost after getting killed.

      Actually I also scroll thru but happened to read ‘Han kills Luke’ and because ‘he trusted him’.

      Whichever it is, I am looking forward to Ep7. C3PO did say its gonna be better than Empire. I wonder if he meant its going to be a far darker movie?

  • November 7, 2014 at 12:07 am

    If Luke dies idk if I’ll ever watch another star wars movie… It’s like getting your soul ripped out.

    • November 7, 2014 at 12:16 am

      Bear in mind that this is from the same website that said that Luke would turn into a Force blob at the end of the movie. Take what 4chan has to say with a grain of salt.

      The only leaker from there whose word I have some faith in would be Mizzlewump.

      • November 7, 2014 at 10:39 am

        I’f Luke dies, I’m calling a Gandalf move. The most powerful jedi, should have force ghost implications beyond anything we have seen yet.

        • November 7, 2014 at 11:19 am


          Sorry. You said Gandalf so I had to quote something from LotR (of course I edited the phrase a bit). 🙂

    • November 7, 2014 at 12:24 am

      I think both Luke and Han will have this effect. its part of the reason I don’t think they die in VII. The whole movie forever more becomes the death of X. Nothing else in it or its story matter, only the death of X.

    • November 7, 2014 at 3:44 am

      I doubt he is going to die, I strongly believe that one member of the original trio is going to be killed in each movie.

      And it will probably be Han in the first movie, Leia in the Second, and Luke in the last.

      Either that or they will all be killed in the first movie but that would be too off putting.

      • November 7, 2014 at 6:46 am

        Everybody expects Han to die, getting Luke killed would be quite a twist.

        • November 7, 2014 at 6:32 pm

          A twist is not automatically good, in fact twists are usually bad and tend to ruin movies.

          Lots of twists and turns a good story does not make.

  • November 7, 2014 at 12:17 am

    If they kill Luke already in the first movie, that’s probably going to be the last SW movie I’ll see in cinemas. It would devaluate the OT to a degree that I can’t accept. So let’s keep our fingers crossed that Luke survives or at least gets the heroic death he deserves.

    • November 7, 2014 at 12:34 am

      No death, at least not yet. You’re right, Luke Skywalker is Star Wars. You don’t kill Indiana Jones do you?

      • November 7, 2014 at 1:12 am

        No, the entire prequels didn’t have Luke. It’s not just about Luke Skywalker, but all the Skywalker’s! I still believe that Daisy Ridley is Han and Leia’s daughter who they hid for some reason. I also believe that Adam Driver is Han and Leia’s son too. (Jaina and Jason type storyline?) Not that those are the character names but the influence from the EU feels very strong to me. Also this would follow the Skywalker family idea.

        • November 7, 2014 at 2:14 am

          Why to hide one child and the other proudly leave at their side? Doesn´t make sense.

          • November 7, 2014 at 2:49 am

            Unless the reason to hide one child is because of the other.

      • November 7, 2014 at 1:17 am

        “There is another Skywalker”.

    • November 7, 2014 at 2:17 am

      It would be really pity to kill Luke…by Han! I mean – a guy that powerful that someone like Han wouldn´t have a chance…besides Luke deserves way more time of the new trilogy than Han (Ford) does. I´m really dissapointed and generally don´t like “crazy” Luke.

    • November 7, 2014 at 8:47 pm

      Obi Wan died in A New Hope, after being the main protagonist of the PT. No reason the same couldn’t happen again.

      • January 9, 2015 at 3:31 am

        that’s not a very good point…..

  • November 7, 2014 at 12:21 am

    So… It’s not good to be the King?

  • November 7, 2014 at 12:24 am

    Love it! But why no word of Daisy in this scene? And if there are no cyborgs, why the art? Just abandoned concept, or is it because of the rumors that the cyborg thing is a Dagobah-like vision?

    It would be interesting if they could keep the true nature of Driver’s character secret and it is crazy Luke that reveals the truth that he is the masked Force user villain.

  • November 7, 2014 at 12:24 am

    Didn’t Vaders saber fall down the shaft in ROTJ when Luke chopped his hand off?

    • November 7, 2014 at 1:33 am

      Precisely, but Vader may have had another one somewhere else. Maybe an apprentices saber or something lying around in his quarters elsewhere. Empirial City? Coruscant?

      • November 7, 2014 at 4:11 pm

        And technically he had more than one saber, at least in the real world. I believe the TESB or ROTJ saber was a converted Luke-Anakin saber because the original was lost and so it looked a little different. That said, it wouldn’t make much sense to retroactively have Vader with a second saber lying around somewhere. Maybe Luke makes one like his father’s, or that part just isn’t true?

  • November 7, 2014 at 12:27 am

    NO to Luke being evil and NO to him dying. He’s the hero of Star Wars, and they should not mess with that.

    • November 7, 2014 at 4:23 pm

      The report doesn’t say he is evil. It says the opposite. And Luke is the hero of the OT, not the Saga. The point of the ST was always to pass on the Saga to the next generation. Though I agree that he shouldn’t – and likely won’t – die in the first film. It is too predictable and we all want to see him train the next hero (and not just as a Force Ghost).
      I love the idea of him being a little nuts after self imposed isolation and having uncontrollable Force powers that need to be “chained” by staying in a Dark Side enriched environment. The idea of seeing “crazy old wizard” Luke unconsciously levitating things around him and having Force visions is just too cool! He has become “The Son of the Suns” as he was originally meant to.

  • November 7, 2014 at 12:28 am

    The second part sounds WAY too reminiscent of the Expanded Universe with Han’s son being the “Bad Guy” as for the first part we can’t be too sure but I’m very skeptical of the second part, I can’t see that being true.

  • November 7, 2014 at 12:28 am

    So Han doesn’t die but Luke does (and returns in later movies as a force ghost)?? Very interesting if true…

  • November 7, 2014 at 12:30 am

    Somehow I feel that Luke may have become powerful, may have hermit-ed himself, but I don’t see him turning against Han or anyone good. Nor do I see him dying in Ep 7. It’s too early for that, we’re still getting back into the swing of STAR WARS movies. Usually the ‘darker’ ones are not the first (ie ANH and TPM).

    • November 7, 2014 at 4:27 pm

      I don’t think Luke turns against Han, but Han is trying to protect his son against his crazy old friend who disappeared on him and Leia many years ago and is now talking about taking out their son. If we don’t know that Driver is the villain, Han and the audience will think Luke is evil or insane until the truth is revealed. I think that is very powerful and gives Ford some great tension to play.

  • November 7, 2014 at 12:34 am

    This sounds like some kind of fanfic someone put together to connect two different rumors and that’s why it reads like a bridge between the two. That’s what I’m getting out of it, anyway (plus, it’s from 4CHAN).

  • November 7, 2014 at 12:34 am

    Maybe Han burns luke with a torch to bring him back to the light side of the force

    (temple of doom reference, anyone?)

    • November 7, 2014 at 4:32 pm

      “Kalima! KALIMAAAA!!!!”
      “I love you, Dr. Skywalker!”

      • November 7, 2014 at 7:29 pm

        LMAO! O’ mumshivye, O’ mumshivye!

  • November 7, 2014 at 12:41 am

    I actually like these rumors. Luke as Master C’Bouth, sort of, except basically good. Insane, extremely powerful. And then with others wanting to sway him to help their cause in the latest “Star Wars” struggles. Sounds like a very good plot.

  • November 7, 2014 at 12:47 am

    Viral, Pomo, Echo.

    Does this rumor go with or against the idea that Luke was around 20/25 years after RotJ?

    Seems to go against it in some descriptions. However Luke turning into an instant god shortly after Jedi seems a bit too drastic of a change.

    • November 7, 2014 at 6:54 am

      Most rumors I’ve heard state that Luke has been missing for a decade or so, not for most of the time skip. To be quite honest, I don’t think Disney would want to completely negate the possibility of telling stories during the entirety of that timeframe without Luke.

  • November 7, 2014 at 12:56 am

    Luke gone insane My thogut on this is that:

    THat’s not true, That’s IMPOSSIBLE!

    Search your feelings young fan….

  • November 7, 2014 at 12:57 am

    Wouldn’t it make more sense for Luke to kill Han causing Driver’s character to slide even further to the dark side and revenge (ep 8) and therefore causing the very disaster that Luke sees in his visions? Very Greek tragedy if you ask me. Just a thought.

    • November 7, 2014 at 1:08 am

      Yes, I think Luke survives and Han dies. Luke will restart the Jedi Order to combat the Sith and continue on through at least one more movie. Adam Driver will become a Vader-like figure in the future films.

    • November 7, 2014 at 4:36 pm

      But that would make Luke virtually irredeemable to most people, including me. Han isn’t evil, so this wouldn’t work at all. It is also a horrible (as in horribly written) end to their great friendship. There is such a thing as too dark.

  • November 7, 2014 at 12:58 am

    I really believe they will try to paint a narrative of the force not being so black and white (or dark and light rather) as was seen in the OT and PT; as taught by the Jedi Council. That there is much gray. Some force users will be pure evil, some pure good but most will be combo of the two. Similar to how Game of Thrones has characters that seem really bad but have good qualities and vice versa. Perhaps culminating at the end of the trilogy with a new Jedi order and different philosophy of the force.

    • November 7, 2014 at 1:00 am

      I agree, and that may be why the title is Force-centric?

      • November 7, 2014 at 2:35 am

        Its about LOVE!! or the lack of it.

    • November 7, 2014 at 8:02 am

      Anon @ 00:58 AM

      Sounds like the Force itself remains the same, but the characters will vary. Does that mean some of the villains won’t be so bad?

  • November 7, 2014 at 12:58 am

    Has anyone of you realized that Luke’s right eye has a different color (on the picture of Mark Hamill with his beard)? It looks like it is some sort of glass-eye.

    • November 7, 2014 at 4:39 pm

      You know that isn’t an official image, right? It is a fan creation.

  • November 7, 2014 at 1:00 am

    More false leads “leaked” by JJ to throw everyone off the scent, IMO

  • November 7, 2014 at 1:01 am

    All FAKE

  • November 7, 2014 at 1:10 am

    The MSW story seems the most plausible. I think it will seem like Luke is the villain through most of the movie but will turn out to be the hero in the end.

  • November 7, 2014 at 1:11 am

    I find it very hard to believe that Luke is hidden for the majority of the film, then will crop up near the end, to then get killed off.. I believe that he will gain control of himself and the force once again and save the day, and then in episode 8 he can train the new hero to become a jedi. I’m still holding out on a duel with Luke and the villain. Would be so epic to see him fling around his ROTJ lightsaber once again. I believe that if there is a death, it will be Han, and/or possibly Leia will die in the middle of the film. Leia is my favourite character so I will absolutely die if she dies, but I suppose they could get a lot of storytelling potential if she is killed off. I could imagine it’s by this rumoured political opponent supposedly played by Lupita Nyongo. A political assassination of sorts so Lupita takes Leia’s place. That would pull some heartstrings. Michael Arndt after all wrote the first draft and I remember watching him speak somewhere where he said it’s good to put characters death in the middle act so it’s a sudden surprise and blow for the audience, instead of making it an obvious climax for the end of the film, plus we all know JJ’s obsession with surprises.

    • November 7, 2014 at 1:35 am

      If Leia dies in the middle In some political assassination, it gives Han a reason to stop piloting a Super Star Destroyer, quit the New Republic, and go search out her brother with their son.

      But man what a feck ing depressing film that could be. I thought JJ promised promised to bring back the fun and innocence. All these rumors are way way too goth. SW is at it best when best when the line between good and evil is black and white.

      • November 7, 2014 at 6:49 am

        Well we’ve been told this new trilogy aims to blur those lines of black and white. I’d rather they didn’t but hopefully it is well done 🙂

    • November 7, 2014 at 8:08 am

      They better not sacrifice an iconic woman like Leia just to advance the story. SMH

      • November 8, 2014 at 10:39 pm

        Yeah, putting one of the most iconic female characters into the fidge would be a douchey move. Also stupid, because do you know how many little girls ran around dressed as Leia on Halloween? They love her because she’s a princess AND she get to do cool stuff like leading a rebellion.
        They love Star Wars and make their parents buy the merchandise because of Leia. I wouldn’t take my 7-year-old niece to view Ep VII if the princess gets killed.

  • November 7, 2014 at 1:13 am

    What if Luke found this Sith wormhole, where Sith pour out of it and he has been there for 10 years killing each one that comes out of it!!!????

  • November 7, 2014 at 1:29 am

    Anakin wasn’t born on tatooine though, they say in TPM that he was brought there as a slave at an early age. So I call bs on that

    • November 7, 2014 at 1:35 am

      Exactly! He was born out of the Sith wormhole! Which Luke discovered and has been protecting the galaxy from like an exterminator at the gates of hell.

    • November 7, 2014 at 4:48 pm

      PADME: How long have you been here?

      ANAKIN: Since I was very little, three, I think. My Mom and I were sold to Gardulla the Hutt, but she lost us, betting on the Podraces.

      • November 7, 2014 at 7:35 pm

        PT is not canon. 😛 hahahaahah god if that were only true

  • November 7, 2014 at 1:43 am

    It makes since Luke is in some type of cave location. The cave he was in and saw the vision of his father while on Dagobah will have a larger meaning.

    • November 7, 2014 at 2:09 am

      Dagobah is a secret place only few Jedi know about: Qui-Gon, Yoda, Obi- Wan, Luke and ???

    • November 7, 2014 at 2:29 am

      What if that piece of Luke and Han fighting is a vision in the cave?

      • November 7, 2014 at 2:38 am

        cool idea! A vision of Friends and siblings turning against one another. Yikes!

  • November 7, 2014 at 1:50 am

    These are the first rumors that have actually gotten me excited about Star Wars VII. I could really see Mark Hamill doing a great job with the whole “insane Luke” thing.

    • November 7, 2014 at 2:39 am

      “That wizard’s just a crazy old man!”

  • November 7, 2014 at 1:51 am

    Dying but coming back to life kind of like Gandalf The White is something I think will happen to Luke or Yoda.

    • November 7, 2014 at 2:30 am

      Yoda is already a Force ghost and could appear if need be to move the story along. Dropping some deep Jedi Force knowledge from the other side.

  • November 7, 2014 at 1:54 am

    Will we see or hear the Whills in the ST?

    • November 7, 2014 at 2:04 am

      Hope so. This is one aspect of SW I always wondered about.

    • November 7, 2014 at 6:52 am

      hope not but they are cannon now so… :/

    • November 7, 2014 at 2:32 pm

      I lol’d 😀

  • November 7, 2014 at 2:19 am

    “That wizard’s just a crazy old man!”

  • November 7, 2014 at 2:26 am

    I think our ‘villain’ may be proficient in using ‘The Force that Awakens’. Could be that it’s a more powerful and almost omnipotent Force that is separate from but interacts with ‘the force as we know it’ – a dark side force so dangerous that it threatens the galaxy perhaps?
    Hence The Force Awakens and The Ancient Fear!

    • November 7, 2014 at 2:30 am

      Yeah. Someone’s been knocking on The Forces door and has woke up pissed.

      • November 7, 2014 at 2:36 am

        Let us hope they don’t awake an ancient Sith!!

        • November 7, 2014 at 3:00 am


          • November 7, 2014 at 4:19 am

            That might be why the lightsaber the ‘warlord’ was holding in front of him was shaped like a cricifix! Maybe he’s Darth Van Helsing!

    • November 7, 2014 at 2:58 am

      Its like summoning a demon with a key like Hell Raiser.

  • November 7, 2014 at 2:59 am

    I’m lighting candles now in desperation that the rumour that Luke’s insane and can move mountains with his force abilities and that the sequels will revolve around that scenario is nothing more than bullshit!
    Hopefully his going missing will involve a tragedy that drives him to despair and there is a search for him because his help is needed to fight against a more traditional ‘dark’ villain who’s so powerful and dangerous that ‘they’ threaten the galaxy.

  • November 7, 2014 at 3:30 am

    So basically Luke Skywalker is Queen Elsa from Frozen. I call BS.

    • November 8, 2014 at 10:50 pm

      Let it go

  • November 7, 2014 at 3:41 am

    These are an obvious load because… Well it should be obvious.

    The people who “leaked” them are describing character emotions and motivations that they cannot possibly know without having read teh script or watched more of the movie.

    But they are acting like they have only seen the scene while it was being filmed. How could you possibly know the motivations of Han’s son from this scene?

    or lightsaber color if you were only watching it filmed?

    We dont even know how many special effects are done yet…

    Similiar leaks probably come from people hearing about other leaks, or extrapolating their own ideas based on what they see.

    These leaks just dont makea lot of sense when read out loud.

  • November 7, 2014 at 3:53 am

    Okay, here’s my thought.

    What if Han and Leia had kids and Luke had a premonition that one of their kids would become a Jedi and bring destruction.

    Luke believes that if he goes into hiding that he could alter this possibility. But he loses his grip and health in solitude, meanwhile Adam Driver finds his way to Luke anyway when searching with Han.

    • November 7, 2014 at 4:24 am

      Maybe Driver wants to win The Galactic Lotto and believes Luke can see the winning numbers before the draw.

  • November 7, 2014 at 4:02 am

    Han shoots first in VII

  • November 7, 2014 at 4:05 am

    The title makes me think of Merlin in Arthurian legend.
    In the story of Arthur, Merlin is captured by helen mirren and put in the medieval version of carbonite. Merlin remains frozen for the foreseeable future.
    At a key point the Spirit of Merlin Awakens, and manages to roam free of his body, thus his icy prison, allowing him to interfere with the reasoning of Mordred (sort of a medieval Reverse-luke), tricking him into killing Helen Mirren/Morgan le fay
    Merlin is still imprisoned forever, but he is still a key-player via his waking Spirit (I knew there was something familiar about Obi-wan’s story!!!)

    Not saying that’s what JJ’s doing, but I’m getting the feeling of the force being asleep or dormant to some degree, and then spontaneously springing to action in ways more powerful than we can imagine.

  • November 7, 2014 at 4:15 am

    I believe all these ‘rumors’ are false info, Abrams employed a team of six people before production even began to establish connections ‘in the community’ (writers, etc.) and feed false info throughout the process. Given that amount of effort towards keeping details secret and the waters muddied so to speak, I can’t imagine this much info would legitimately get leaked, at least true plot details.

    Also does no one see the contradiction in these rumors? If Luke is all powerful how could anyone challenge him? Especially some upstart Sith?

    • November 7, 2014 at 4:27 am

      Also… how could whoever is leaking possibly know all of this stuff? They are phrasing it like they were watching it being filmed.

      But they are talking about stuff you oculdnt see being filmed, like moving mountains, seeing future, seeing past…

      even the simplest things like the color of lightsabers.

  • November 7, 2014 at 4:18 am

    So Driver is Han’s son… he was the first newbie cast in the movie.

    That leaves him, Boyega and Daisy as the trio of young leads if this pans out.

    So Domnhall Gleeson is not a lead. We haven’t heard jack shit about him, so not surprising.

  • November 7, 2014 at 4:39 am

    I hate to be pessimist, but I find the idea of crazy Luke and his possible “death” a sacrilege to Star Wars and the OT. Almost all the rumors are bizarre, and I really don’t like the direction they seem to take the movie in. Mark Hamill is still young, he is in shape and has a lot to offer for the next installments. Many fans had always dreamt with the chance of watching an experient Master Luke as the leader of a new generation of Jedis. And not a FORCE GHOST. So please, if any of the producers are reading this, DO NOT kill Luke Skywalker. Generations of fans are gonna thank you. Let Luke Skywalker live through the whole Saga!

  • November 7, 2014 at 6:07 am

    Campbell’s “Hero’s Journey” predicts exactly what is going to happen to Luke. At the end of Return of the Jedi, he achieved mastery. But due to his power and the possibility of falling into evil, the hero imposes self-exile until a time comes when he is needed to achieve a great task.

    Lucas followed Campbell’s Hero religiously; Abrams and Kasdan will do the same for the sake continuity. Most likely Luke will “pass on what he has learned” at the end of the film, thereby setting the stage for a new group of heroes.

    However, it’s important to note Lucas’ description of the Star Wars saga: he said it’s more or less “a story about a family.” Obviously, this means the Skywalkers; so there’s no guarantee that there isn’t a Skywalker among the new heroes. To me, what’s interesting is how Abrams and Kasdan will tie this together.

    Finally, as for my two cents of what the film should’ve been called: “The Resurrection of the Force”

  • November 7, 2014 at 6:14 am

    If either Han or Luke kill each other, that sucks big time for Leia.

  • November 7, 2014 at 6:30 am

    Lalala not listening lalalala!

    *hides under covers*

  • November 7, 2014 at 7:04 am

    It is a bad title because I am already having a hard time remembering it.

    The Force Awakes… The Force Awakens? Awakens is an awkward word in this title for some reason.

    • November 7, 2014 at 8:12 pm

      the force embiggens

  • November 7, 2014 at 8:16 am

    Luke sees into the past and learns how to keep himself alive forever. He dies in episode 7 but will return.

  • November 7, 2014 at 8:19 am

    Oh, for fuck’s sake.

    Do you people really think all this batshit madness is what makes Star Wars great? SERIOUSLY?!! Why is this shit so dark, especially in the first movie of the trilogy? Do you really long to see your beloved childhood heroes be tortured and/or killed off?

    • November 8, 2014 at 5:46 pm

      Isnt that DC comics method of trying to sell their heroes right now?

  • November 7, 2014 at 8:36 am

    You know, I don’t really get why the image of Luke and Han described above leads people to believe they are having a stand off. We know Luke is in turmoil so it’s not beyond the bounds of possibility that he initially doesn’t recognize Han or simply doesn’t like visitors. Maybe Driver has taken Han to Luke and Luke’s initial reaction to their arrival is defensive? He ignites his sabre and Han draws his blaster, both on instinct. Then there’s an awkward pause, a flash of recognition in Luke’s eyes and Han remarks, “Hell, kid. For a moment there I thought I was gonna have to take you down!”

    Nice ironic set-up for later, when Han does take Luke down– only at Luke’s request and very reluctantly: “Han, you have to do this. Trust me, I will return. And more powerful than you can possibly imagine…”

    • November 24, 2014 at 7:13 am

      I personally believe its going to be Luke killing Han in a fit of rage and some how its going to be revealed in a twist that the villain is Han and leias son and that is what is going to be the whole inevitable thing of this trilogy! Can Luke and the new cast redeem or stop Adam Drivers Character! And the new Danger! And its the way Harrison Ford can be written out like he has been begging to be written out forever!!!!!

  • November 7, 2014 at 9:13 am

    This is an excerpt from Joseph Campbell’s ”Hero With a Thousand Faces’ which Lucas drew heavily from, and Kasdan and Abrams surely consulted.

    Campbell: “The hero may have to be brought back from his supernatural adventure by assistance from without. That is to say, the world may have to come and get him. For the bliss of the deep abode is not lightly abandoned in favor of the self-scattering of the wakened state. ‘Who having cast off the world,’ we read, ‘would desire to return again? He would be only there.’ And yet, in so far as one is alive, life will call. Society is jealous of those who remain away from it, and will come knocking at the door. If the hero. . . is unwilling, the disturber suffers an ugly shock; but on the other hand, if the summoned one is only delayed—sealed in by the beatitude of the state of perfect being (which resembles death)—an apparent rescue is effected, and the adventurer returns.”

    • November 8, 2014 at 12:00 am

      Sounds perfectly reasonably, and fits in with Luke going into self-imposed exile. However, let’s use some common sense. No insanity claims, rather a harrowing personal tragedy which he can’t deal with emotionally, and so hides away from reality and the ‘world’.

  • November 7, 2014 at 10:20 am

    Luke will not die. It’s the other way around.
    There is a fight at the end. Luke wants to kill Driver and Han steps in. Luke then kills Han which brings Luke back to his sanity. Han with his dying words begs Luke to let Driver live, to trust him that everything will be alright and the he won’t succumb to the Dark Side.
    Luke trust Han and does not kill Driver – which will be a big mistake as we will see in Episodes VIII and IX.

    • November 7, 2014 at 10:35 am

      Another thing:
      The artwork with the cyborg holding Vaders helmet in his hands is pretty accurate. This is the end of the movie.
      Luke beats Driver up pretty good in the fight. He has a scar in his face and his right hand will be cut off by Luke.
      After the funeral of Han, Driver will be in Lukes quarters, wearing a mask and a robe and he holds Vaders helmet in his cyborg hand, eyes blazing…

      • November 7, 2014 at 12:49 pm

        Or another thing:

        The setting is on an all rock/stone/cave planet. Luke is standing on one side of this open, rocky plain. Han is standing across from him. Adam’s character is standing in the middle of them, confused and worried, for he has been contacted by this evil Sith spririt and it has been tempting him to come to the Dark Side. This same spirit has also entered Luke’s mind, possessing the elderly Jedi Master from time to time, making Luke a deadly, killing machine when that happens. Han is the first to speak.

        Han: Luke, buddy. Please don’t make me do this. You’re my friend. I… I can’t hurt you.
        Luke: Han I…. I’m not the same little farm boy you once knew. I am a grand Jedi master with uncontrollable powers. I’m dangerous. I’m corrupt. I… *something clicks inside him. He seems to become suddenly possessed* I must kill you.
        Han: *visably hurt* Luke….

        Luke draws and ignites his green lightsaber. Han sighs and pulls out his blaster. Han knows he doesn’t really stand a chance against Luke. He hopes, despite his age, that he has at least some agility left in him. Luke charges towards Han with a cry. Luke gets closer to Han who is just standing there. When Luke is about to strike Han down, Han quickly evades Luke’s blow, resulting in Luka cutting the ground. Han then takes a shot at Luke, who, sensing this, blocks the blaster with his hand. With a growl, Luke turns to Han, enraged. Han takes a few steps back and prepares to fire again but Luke then, unexpectedly, starts Force-choking Han. He then throws Han on the ground. Adam’s character is watching this and is horrified.

        Adam’s Character (assuming he is Han’s son): DAD!!!

        Adam runs towards Han but is quickly pushed back by Luke. He groans as he, slowly, pushes himself off the ground. He sees Luke heading towards his father again, Luke’s lightsaber at his side. *changing P.O.V.* Luke heads towards Han. Han is now standing, but hunched over and is clutching his side. He notices Luke walking, but slowly starting to run, towards him. Han takes several shots at Luke. Luke blocks these shots with his lightsaber. Just as he is getting closer to Han, Luke pauses as he comes back to his senses, taking a quick notice of what he is doing. Han doesn’t know why Luke has stopped charging towards him but he takes this opportunity to shoot Luke, making the old Jedi fall back. Han lunges towards Luke and grabs his neck, choking his friend. Luke tries to choke out Han’s name, but Luke becomes re-possessed and hits Han in the gut with his elbo. Han now clutches himself in pain. All the while Adam’s character is just watching all of these events unfold in shock and horror. Luke now kicks Han making him fall onto his back. With a loud cry and his lightsaber, now ignited above his head, Luke stabs Han in the gut. Adam’s character cries out…

        Adam: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

        Luke pulls out his lightsaber from inside of Han. He comes back to his senses once again. He slowly starts to realize that he just stabbed his best friend. Luke drops his lightsaber on the ground and falls to his knees beside Han, who is struggling to breath. Luke holds onto Han (similar to the way Obi-Wan held Qui-Gon in “The Phantom Menace”).

        Luke: Han. Han. Han, I’m so sorry. I didn’t- I didn’t know, I… I don’t know what happened. I…. *sighs* I….
        Han: *struggling to talk and breath*: Luke, just do me… One favor.
        Luke: *on the verge of tears* Yes, Han. Anything.
        Han: Please…. take care of my son.
        Luke: Of course, Han. Wait, no. You can’t leave! Please! Please don’t!
        Han: And… tell Leia I…. love her
        Luke: Han, please, listen to me. Don’t go. You’re gonna make it. I’ll, I’ll get you to a medical frigate…
        Han: Luke…
        Luke: They-They’ll heal you…
        Han: Luke…
        Luke: No, I’ll heal you…
        Han: *straining* Luke!
        Luke: What is it?
        Han: My time has come…
        Luke: No.
        Han: There’s nothing you can do..
        Luke: But…
        Han: And even if you could, my time was coming to an end anyway. I knew… that this would happen soon.
        Luke: No.
        Han: You have to accept this.
        Luke: NO! I won’t lose you, Han!
        Han: Luke… *starts to cough* this is a part of life. Change… Is life. You need to accept that.
        Luke: *is starting to shed some tears* But I don’t like change!
        Han: Luke….
        Luke: Yes?
        Han: May the Force be with you…..

        In that moment, Han closes his eyes, never to open them again.

        Luke: Han? Han? *starts to shake Han a bit* Han! Han, please, no! Han… *starts to cry*

        Meanwhile, Adams character was standing close to, but yet still far away from, Luke and Han, watching his father die. Adam, ignoring Luke’s pleas for Han to awaken, is immediately filled with rage and sorrow. Adam picks up Luke’s lightsaber and ignites it. Adam raises it over his head, prepared to strike Luke down. Luke senses this and quickly stands and turns around and blasts Adam’s character with a both a powerful Force repulse and push. Adam’s character is thrown against a wall of complete, solid rock, getting knocked out. Luke then looks back down at his friend’s body. He sighs and sheds a single tear. He picks up Han’s lifeless body and walks away.

        The scene fades into another one showing Luke landing on Dagobah. That scene fades into another one showing Luke placing Han on an alter. The scene fades into another, showing Luke standing by the alter, and then lighting it on fire with his mind. The next scene shows Luke sitting on the edge of a small, grassy, mossy cliff crying***. Then, hours later (in movie time), Luke stands up and walks away. Now, the scene fades to black. But then it looks like someone’s eye’s are opening. We then see Adam’s character groaning, holding onto his head.

        Adam: What happened?
        Mysterious Male Voice: I healed you.
        Adam: From what?
        Mysterious Male Voice: Near death.
        Adam: What!
        Mysterious Male Voice: That so-called “Jedi” master Luke Skywalker injured you.
        Adam: You… You’re right. He did!
        Mysterious Male Voice: He even killed your father.
        Adam: *rage filling him once more* He did.
        Mysterious Male Voice: And what are you going to do about it? Let it slip past you like wind? Or are you going to avenge you fathers death and hunt down that blasted, fake Jedi?

        A lightsaber appears in Adam’s hands. Adam slowly clutches on to the weapon and stands up.

        Adam: I will have my revenge.

        Adam (since he was looking down) slowly starts to tilt his head up. His eye color has turned from brown to red and yellow. The camera slowly (ish) panels out. We hear Adam’s character laughing evilly, with his arms and hand outstretched to the side of him. The sky then becomes dark with lighting, as we see the Lightning is actually connected to Adam. The screen fades to black and the credits role with whatever music they decide to use at the end. 🙂 The end.

        ***Alternate version: As Luke is sitting on the cliff, he opens up his hand to look at the lightsaber he’s holding. Sighing and returning the grip he held on the weapon, he slowly stands up and turns his back to the water and rocks that lay below him. Igniting his lightsaber and facing it towards himself, Luke stabs himself out of guilt. The shock from the stab makes Luke fall off the cliff and to his death.

        Sorry for any typo. I typed all of this on my phone.

        • November 8, 2014 at 1:01 am

          Hi. Nice try but that is awful dialogue. So incredibly stupid. But I appreciate your effort.

          • November 8, 2014 at 10:27 am

            Well, I guess it is a bit cheesy. I have written better (trust me. I’ve been writing my whole life. Everything else I’ve written has gotten good reviews.). I’m sorry my little writing piece didn’t appeal to you or the person who liked your post.

        • November 22, 2014 at 9:19 pm


      • November 7, 2014 at 5:41 pm

        Oh! And another thing; If JJ isn’t paying you a few quid to post such rubbish, then you’re missing out.

        • November 7, 2014 at 8:07 pm

          Well, you don’t have to be rude about it.

          • November 8, 2014 at 12:20 am

            Not you! As a matter of fact, I applaud your post – that required a lot of effort and thought. No, it was anonymous 10.20, “Luke will not die”, blah, blah,blah!

          • November 8, 2014 at 10:28 am

            Oh, sorry. 🙁 And thanks! 🙂

  • November 7, 2014 at 10:55 am

    It’s very hard to judge just from these leaked bits and pieces. You could know most of the plot, but still not know if the film is any good, until you actually go and see just how they’ve done it, at the movies.

  • November 7, 2014 at 11:43 am

    All these rumors sound fantastic, but unrealistic.
    We adult’s (escpecially those who love Empire) tend to project our wish for a darker Starwars but forget these are essentialy kids movies. Disney would be insane to shut out the majority of potential viewers. Merchandise has to be sold and new younger audience drawn into this new franshise. Don’t be suprised if the new film will be lighthearted and fun and not so much dark. They will most likely build up to that in the next films but not right away.

    • November 7, 2014 at 10:21 pm

      you are 100% WRONG…STAR WARS was originally made for children…it is a fact that George has ALWAYS stated. they had the damn Toys on the shelves before the movie even came out…my whole bedroom was nothing but star wars…sheets..curtains…sleeping bag…posters…etc etc. you dont know wtf your talking about and i am just going to assume that your some kid who is barely older than the PT.

    • November 8, 2014 at 11:34 am

      its ok to like a kids film you know … theres nothing wrong with it.

  • November 7, 2014 at 11:46 am

    What if the cyborg character is one of Luke’s visions from the future?

    They would have to film a certain amount of that character now – hence the rumors.

    • November 7, 2014 at 3:33 pm

      I thought that…Maybe he sees what he could become and hides away.

      Better than using it as an excuse to join the dark side like his dad i guess

  • November 7, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    I can see Mark Hamill using his joker voice, and fans will be like WTF this isn’t batman!

  • November 7, 2014 at 1:48 pm

    So if Luke is only in the film for a short while why has he been in London all this time. If he was only in the last half hour Hamill could have completed his scenes in a month or less. Would seem that he has a big role?

    • November 7, 2014 at 1:58 pm

      Also do you really think that they would kill off Luke if he has so few screentime in the movie? They meet him, he brings down a Star Destroyer and he dies?

      • November 7, 2014 at 3:50 pm

        Sounds right but carrie fisher was in norway for esb when she didnt have to be , she did no filming at all.

  • November 7, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    Insane Luke? LOL I don’t think so. Crazy like a fox maybe.

  • November 7, 2014 at 3:02 pm

    “No.. There is another”

    Kira’s mission isn’t to find Luke. Luke gave her a mission to find Ahsoka, frozen in carbonite. She has been in “safe” keeping all these years by Hondo, the pirate.

    Kira is successful, Ahsoka “Awakens”. Enter Disney’s next princess

  • November 7, 2014 at 3:31 pm

    I mean, I could see Luke wrestling with the issue of his own power but hiding away and going insane seems out of character. The basic ideas are OK but some more subtlety, without everything being taken to it’s greatest extreme, would probably result in a better story. I’d rather see a great story as oppossed to the most shocking story.

  • November 7, 2014 at 3:34 pm

    “The force awakens” (in a bad way) in Han & Leia’s son Adam Driver after he sees Luke kill daddy Han. You know this to be true… 🙂

  • November 7, 2014 at 3:40 pm

    It sounds a lot like the new TRON… Very Disney like idea.

  • November 7, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    Here is a concept… What if the force in general always needs a counter weight. A good and an evil. Without this counter weight, it makes the force unstable. Hence, Luke went into hiding because the force has become unmanageable. Makes sense…

    I am also liking the idea of Luke killing Han as a mishandling of the force. This would setup Adam’s character to jump head first into the dark side to destroy Luke. Totally alienating Luke from the others at first.

  • November 7, 2014 at 3:48 pm

    “Luke brought a cataclysm to Tatooine soon after Return of the Jedi after he visited Anakin’s birthplace and for whatever reasons it’s changed him.”
    Anakin wasnt born there was he?

    • November 7, 2014 at 4:13 pm

      I don’t think there is a cannon answer to that in the films. Also, the person could just be assuming it was his birthplace rather than just the slave quarters.
      The bigger question is why and how does it “change him?”

      • November 7, 2014 at 4:49 pm

        There is a cannon answer after all.

        PADME: How long have you been here?

        ANAKIN: Since I was very little, three, I think. My Mom and I were sold to Gardulla the Hutt, but she lost us, betting on the Podraces.

        • November 7, 2014 at 6:00 pm

          That doesn’t mean Anakin wasn’t born on Tatooine. It only means that he came to Watto’s junkyard when he was three, after being lost to him by Gardulla the Hutt.

          He could’ve been born on Mos Eisley, Anchorhead, Bestine or any other Tatooine settlement, for all we know.

          • November 7, 2014 at 7:40 pm

            no….she wasnt asking him how long he was a slave…she was askign him how long he had been on tatooine. he was not born there

          • November 8, 2014 at 5:41 pm

            Wrong. That’s YOUR interpretation of the scene, not the facts.

            Padmé was not specific. “How long have you been here?” could mean a ton of things: how long have you been on this planet, how long have you been in this town, how long have you been in this junkyard?

            Ditto for Anakin. “I came here when I was 3” could mean I came to this planet, I came to this town or I came to this specific junkyard when I was 3.

            I’m not gonna make the mistake of taking something like this as fact, when anyone with a functioning brain can clearly see that the question and reply are unclear and open to interpretation.

            ETA: I wasn’t referring to his time as a slave (it does seem obvious that he was a slave since birth, because he and Shmi were Gardulla the Hutt’s property). I was specifically speaking about the exchange Anakin and Padmé sustained concerning the question (literally and not open to interpretation): how long have you been *HERE*.

  • November 7, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    The ending where Luke dies is very sensational sounding. Again another variation of a fake rumor twisted beyond belief. So does Making Star Wars believe it is true? Only PART of it is. Fix that in the article or don’t even post the rumor giving acknowledgement to its fakeness. This only encourages the trolls.

  • November 7, 2014 at 5:34 pm

    This is fake. Anakin is not born on Tatooine.

  • November 7, 2014 at 6:23 pm

    I guess if Luke would die in the movie this would result in an outcry from the fans with a petition to bring him back – and not just as a force ghost

  • November 7, 2014 at 6:43 pm

    The things which don’t add up is the age of Driver’s character as a Solo child. He would be at most 30 years old if he was born following Return of The Jedi or whatever timeline Lucasfilm/Disney decides to make up for this movie. If Driver is playing a Sith apprentice as rumored that of Darth Ruin, then he would be several thousand years old and in no way could he be Solo’s son. Or does he fall to the dark side upon beginning his training as a Jedi in his 20s and secretly takes up the Sith teachings after somehow encountering Ruin’s spirit or another Sith follower in hiding?

    The other thing that doesn’t add up is the Jedi are completely extinct in the post Episode 6 era. Luke is rumored to have disappeared for 10 years. In 20 of those prior years did he begin to teach Driver and then detected something was wrong and suddenly decided to stop? This could explain the future vision which troubled him if Driver is essentially another Anakin Skywalker. Luke saw the bleak future if Driver completed his training and went into exile to avoid it from happening.

    • November 7, 2014 at 6:52 pm

      Driver is probably the rumored wealthy aristocrat who has a (presumably secret) collection of Sith artifacts. So he is not truly a Sith but is probably self-taught and has an affinity for the Force since he is Leia’s son. Perhaps he ends up turning to Sith artifacts/teachings once he realizes his power but becomes frustrated that there is no one around to teach him (Luke hiding, mother busy with affairs of state).

  • November 7, 2014 at 6:47 pm

    If they Kill Luke Skywalker…i am done

    • November 7, 2014 at 7:27 pm

      Killing luke skywalker will put a price on JJ Abrams head so big, and he will never live it down. worst idea i have ever heard… “killing Luke Skywalker”…wow. I have been on this site almost everyday since launch..sheer excitement everyday as we find out something new…Then this post and the post about the dumbest title for a star wars movie ever…”the force awakens”…. wtf kind of retarded title is that?..hell..i didnt know the force was asleep.. I would rather they not revisit these characters at all..if they are just going to fuckin kill them off. hey i know you have loved this character all of your life but watch this…WHACK!! i will be sending Disney my therapy bills…now i dont even want to go see this on opening night. If they are going to Kill Luke Skywalker (The greatest hero of all time)…i dont even want to see it, and i wont waste one red cent on this trash. totally bummed out by this……. can you tell?

  • November 7, 2014 at 6:54 pm

    As I am sitting here at work I have been reading this and still wondering, well where does Ridley and Boyega fit into all of this?

    If Luke is in hiding and Ridley and Boyega are supposed to be the next generation of heroes against Adam Drivers antagonist character then when would Luke have time to train Daisy or John if he comes out of hiding and dies so soon?

    There is no way that Luke will die in Ep7, he would need more than one episode with him training Daisy and John.

    Here is my thought process on Ep7.

    We are introduced to Driver’s character, based on pictures we have seen he is a pilot for the Alliance against the Empire. (GCW is still ongoing.) And son of Han and Leia. Most likely a squadron leader or officer in order to set up his credability and respect from other members of the alliance.

    Han is a General or Admiral (whatever you want to call it) and thus piloting the SSD, while Leia is the Chief of State of the New Republic/Rebel Alliance.

    Luke IS in hiding, not sure if I buy the whole catalyst thing, but SOMETHING has changed him to draw him back from everyone. My guess would be on Dagobah in Yoda’s home where he communicates with Yodas force ghost or something along those lines.

    Boyega is an Imperial, Stormtrooper/chrome knight, something along those lines. Somehowe he runs off and meets up with Daisy at her At-AT home, something unites them to join the Alliance.

    Meanwhile Driver comes in contact with some Sith artifacts, or has had this obsession about his grandfather all along, but he hides it from his parents. Something Driver does triggers a disturbance in the force that Luke feels. Luke goes into the cave on Dagobah and sees a vision of his nephew turning into Darth Vader, or some Dark Side conflict issue, idk.

    Luke prepares to leave dagobah to stop his nephew from traveling down the dark side. Only to hit a brick wall with his family. (The insane Jedi story arc goes here)

    Somehow Luke meets Daisy and John through this and discovers her/their Force potential, but he refuses to train her/them for fear of not being able to stop them from turning to the darkside.

    The Empire then attacks the Alliance, starting a huge battle, Driver’s character does something dark, but allows the alliance a victory over the Empire.(Daisy and Boyega witness this act)

    Luke confronts Driver, only to have Han step in to protect his son. Han, being a General/Admiral orders guards to remove Luke, but an altercation ensues resulting in the DEATH OF HAN.

    Luke, is deeply saddened at what has happened, Driver orders him to be arrested, only to be rescued by Boyega and Ridley.

    As the three flee, Luke realizes that he won’t be able to stop Driver alone and agrees to train Daisy and John. This also leaves Drivers character as the commander of the Rebel Alliance/ New Republic forces, while he is now angered at his uncle, he commits himself to the teachings of the Sith in order to get revenge on Luke.

    Luke, Daisy, and John will be forced to turn to the Empire for help in order to stop Driver’s character. (This will be the grey line, with a Sith now in control of the Rebel Alliance/NR, and Luke needing the Empire’s help to stop Driver)

    My prediction for ep8 would be Leia’s death at the beginning of the movie with Driver taking complete control of the New Republic (or end of ep7, declaring himself ruler, and completely given over to the darkside, depending on how the events play out) and Luke’s death at the end of ep8.

    Ep9 would be Daisy vs Driver

    • November 7, 2014 at 7:09 pm

      Well done. The rumors here generally discourage me but I’d be quite happy with this. Bravo!

      • November 7, 2014 at 7:33 pm

        Only problem is, wouldn’t Luke easily dispose of drivers character if they met face to face?

        • November 7, 2014 at 7:41 pm

          Not necessarily, if Han is there to interfer and distract Luke, Luke would be completely distracted by the death of Han, giving Driver’s character a chance to escape, and in the long run train to become stronger.

    • November 7, 2014 at 8:18 pm

      I can’t make up my mind if you’re a troll, a dolt, or someone with a strange yet sarcastic sense of humor. Probably all three …

      • November 7, 2014 at 9:40 pm

        I hate to say it, but I’ve kind of seen a lot of this blatantly displayed sexism among commenters here. I followed trekmovie.com for a while in the anticipation of the first JJ trek back in the day and I noticed minimal sexist/racist things blurted out for the fuck or fun of it and certainly not with actual weight and conviction equal to what I’ve seen here. I love both franchises, but trekkies are just more with it. Too bad those movies captured the 1960’s male centric macho ideology and practically non of the forward thinking progressive humanism of something like Voyager. JJ and the writers completely took Star Trek back to square one politically with those two movies. It’s sad to think it would have been so easy to avoid. Like Kirk being called into duty while he’s in the middle of a threeway with two alien chicks. Fuckin A. You kidding me with that? Here’s to hoping for something better than those disasters. I don’t think Kathleen Kennedy would be thrilled with the amount of sexism in SW as was seen in ST. And just to be clear here, I do really appreciate this site and a lot of the discussion! Keep it coming. Keep it in the 21st century 😉 SWVII: I want to believe.

        • November 8, 2014 at 4:13 am

          If it is like you say . well Dont watch it then , you wont be missed.

        • November 8, 2014 at 5:56 pm

          Women have never been warriors? Really? And you seriously have “stated” this astounding idiocy before???

          2 words for you, genius: Amazons, Valkiries.

          • November 8, 2014 at 7:15 pm

            Right on! If Snow wants proof, he can watch Katheryn Winnick and other female warriors in tv series Vikings.

          • November 9, 2014 at 4:00 pm

            That chic with the big boobs was a warrior, right? What was that movie with Angelina Jolie, Raiders of the Tomb or something like that

        • November 10, 2014 at 5:27 pm

          @ Tim Snow:

          Blasters, lightsabers, starships and the Force are the great equalizers in the galaxy.

          Would you really call someone like Luke a warrior? Seriously? That untrained farm boy? Han’s not really all that bad ass on the battlefield, either. He’s mostly popular for his cool personality. You make it sound like the men in this galaxy are meatheads on ‘roids.

          Take a good look at the Rebel fighters at the Death Star battle. They weren’t warriors – they were NERDS! GTFOH with your bullshit.

        • November 10, 2014 at 5:32 pm

          Why are you still here, Timmy Boy? I figured all those women cast for VII would’ve scared you away from Star Wars.

      • November 7, 2014 at 9:45 pm

        There are plenty of woman who are stronger than men nowadays. In this context however, physical strength doesn’t even matter. Remember Yoda? — people like you are just about as dumb as it gets, man.

      • November 7, 2014 at 10:24 pm

        i think it is time for you to grow up little boy…shouldnt you be doing schoolwork? does your teacher know your browsing the web during class? or how about you forgetting the fact that YODA and his little 32 inch frail ass fought armies by himself? have you even seen the Empire strikes back? Size matters not..only the force..not this crude matter “flesh”///….seriously Tim Snow..why are you even on this site posting…you apparently dont know SHIT about star wars…….your a tool

      • November 7, 2014 at 11:01 pm

        @ Tim Snow, sorry young man but you are wrong on so many levels.

        Example A, like others before me have mentioned, Yoda was small and frail, yet kicked butt.

        Example B, Shatele Shan, Grand Master of the Jedi Order during the Cold War with the Sith, who went toe to toe with Darth Malgus who was by FAR stronger than her.

        and Example C, even though she is apart of the EU, Jaina Solo, who was the Sword of the Jedi of the New Order, and who fought and killed her brother, Darth Caedus. And as many believe, Jaina is more than likely the model of what JJA wants Daisy’s character to be.

        Sorry Timmy, but your logic is flawed.

        • November 11, 2014 at 2:48 am

          Then go watch the OT and go away id


    • November 7, 2014 at 9:08 pm

      eh…I see han and chewy dying in a heroic act and saving millions of people from a new super weapon…not something like this thats for sure. pretty cool thoght though…but it wouldnt make sense for a character of Solo’s stature to go out like that….i dont think having Luke Kill Han Solo would work….i can see Han getting killed trying to Save Luke..because after all Han does still “owe him one” after the rescue from Jabba’s palace.

    • November 8, 2014 at 11:10 pm

      Ah, Tim Snow again.

      Don’t worry about him, guys, he’s not just sexist, he’s also racist.
      He’ll probably die of a heart attack once Lupita Nyong’o does something cool on screen like punching a white male Imperial into the face lol

      • November 10, 2014 at 5:30 pm

        Or kissing a white male in the face. ;o)~

    • November 16, 2014 at 8:04 pm

      That’s basically Legacy of the Force.

  • November 7, 2014 at 8:05 pm

    Luke is my all-time favorite Star Wars character, and my childhood hero.

    Having said that, I have to say that I love the sound of all of this, EXCEPT for Han killing Luke. Things with this rumor sound so much better than what we were hearing a week or two ago.

    The idea of Luke as a cyborg was so disturbing, so unacceptable to me, that it put me off completely.

    But that doesn’t mean that I’m not open to seeing Luke struggle with his heritage, the light and the dark, etc. Provided they hold true to Luke’s core, that ultimately, Luke is a hero, I don’t mind the filmmakers doing some new and unexpected things with Luke.

    But to be perfectly honest, I don’t want to see Luke die. Period. But if Luke Skywalker must die, I sincerely hope it is not in the first Episode of the new trilogy.

    Save it for Episode 9, please!

    Or better yet, don’t kill Luke at all.

    Just this (lifelong) fan’s feelings on the matter.

  • November 7, 2014 at 8:19 pm

    “Luke is now a Yoda + Paul Atreides, he f***ing sees the future, ”
    well ….to paraphrase bad news tour

    thats it
    im getting out right here if weve got anything thing to do with a dune crossover.

  • November 7, 2014 at 8:22 pm

    you know…i have had a feeling this whole time..the movies have always mirrored each other..and that was intentional on george’s part. So all along i had a feeling they would kill Luke off and he would become a Force ghost and pop up in 8 and 9 to give a little speech to the main character.. like Obi Wan did… but in all honesty..i do not like this idea..and if they Kill Luke Skywalker…i will not be back for Episode 8 and 9.. have no ( ZERO) interest in seeing the movie now… i wont go see it on opening night..i will just download a pirated copy

  • November 7, 2014 at 8:36 pm

    My thoughts exactly. no opening night for me..i will just download the torrent and watch it before i waste my money on it. killing off Luke Skywalker would be the dumbest thing to happen in Star wars ever.

    • November 7, 2014 at 9:31 pm

      Exactly. I hope that JJ somehow catches what fans think about killing off Luke and changes this IF it is indeed true.

  • November 7, 2014 at 10:15 pm

    is anyone going to elaborate on who all of the red saber guys are in that picture?

    • November 7, 2014 at 11:05 pm

      It’s just some art, no real meaning to the story.

  • November 7, 2014 at 10:29 pm

    OK, war’s over. Wormer dropped the big one.


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  • November 7, 2014 at 10:45 pm

    If Abrams Kills Luke Skywalker..i really feel bad for whats gonna happen to him afterwords..he will be hurrassed and his home vandalized wherever he lives..no matter what country…there will be a thousand geeks who find him….i am a guy…but i wont hesitate to hope over the baracade on the red carpet and go over to Kathleen kennedy and throatpunch that bitch during a live interview with TMZ

  • November 7, 2014 at 10:53 pm

    You can flat out tell the 4chan chimp is lying when he/she/it says Luke hiding out on Mon Calmari?? Wasn’t there some hints from the reliable sources out there telling us the set they had been filming on could be Dagobah?

    I was under the impression the planet Luke is hiding on is part forest and part snow/ice. The same one where Solo and company track him to and the final fight sequence occurs. Mon Calmari is a water based planet according to EU/Legends but we never see it on screen in any movie but the first Clone Wars microseries. However Ackbar’s bio is canon and its mentioned to be water based. No ice, no trees.

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      • November 8, 2014 at 8:54 pm

        i think they should , he cany live forever . better to go out fighting like ben than in bed like yoda

        • November 8, 2014 at 11:58 pm

          But not like this. Being shot by Han because of what? He doesn’t save anybody by his death, he doesn’t sacrifice himself, he let’s himself get shot by Han? The last of the Jedi, the most powerful Jedi without training another one like Yoda asked him to? How pointless can a death be?

  • November 8, 2014 at 1:30 am

    I think I will pass on this movie. I’m just not sure I like what I’m reading now.

    I’ve read so many rumours from various sites that it has killed my high expectations
    I once had .

    I don’t want to see a dark and depressing movie.Full of special effects but in the end
    will leave me saddened.

    • November 9, 2014 at 4:02 pm

      That’s cool, just don’t go see it.

  • November 8, 2014 at 1:45 am

    I’m hoping these rumours are false
    Just some trolls having fun.

  • November 8, 2014 at 1:51 am

    I just hope Luke doesn’t do that walking against the wind Sh*t I hate it when they do that…

  • November 8, 2014 at 3:27 am

    This all sounds very dark. Han dying, and Luke going mad? In the first episode of the new trilogy?

  • November 8, 2014 at 4:02 am

    so …… it looks like it isnt the movie the majority has already made in their heads and they hate ……. no suprise there ……. the child fans loved 4 and 5 . they were young and open , the teenagers didnt like 6 much because they started to question… the adults hated 1 2 3 because “they should have cut this and added that” and now with 7 8 9 the mid life crisis lot itll be “how dare they not make MY film just for me”

    im prepared to give it a go but lets see how our children react , its their film after all…. just like 4 and 5 were ours

  • November 8, 2014 at 4:14 am

    Han solo sacrifices himself and when he is about to shoot he breaks the forth wall ands mirks saying i shot first!! XD i can tottaly see it happening

  • November 8, 2014 at 4:24 am

    I really wish a trailer would be released
    soon or a poster with images to make me change my mind .

    I don’t mind if its made for this generation
    as long as its good.

    You can accidently hit the like button and it shows up as liking my own comment.

  • November 8, 2014 at 4:58 am

    Okay after reading the spoilers again
    I’m beginning to think its all made up.

    Why would Disney people want to do such a movie that will turn away half the fans?

  • November 8, 2014 at 6:35 am

    I think chewie will die , it will be as upsetting as the dog killed in I am legend . Them feels for the walking carpet will be strong

  • November 8, 2014 at 6:35 am

    I think chewie will die , it will be as upsetting as the dog killed in I am legend . Them feels for the walking carpet will be strong

  • November 8, 2014 at 8:16 am

    The fact that people believe this stupid shit is mind-boggling to me.

    Vader’s lightsaber was destroyed when the Death Star II exploded, by the way.

    • November 10, 2014 at 6:19 pm

      No it wasnt….wow

  • November 8, 2014 at 11:26 pm

    No, you got it all wrong! Luke isn’t crazy. He’s crazy in love with Max von Sydow’s character.

    But homosexuality was forbidden by the Old Jedi Order and that’s why Luke hides because of his SHAME.

    But then the kids find him because Sydow has turned into a Sith and only Luke can stop him. But during the big fight Luke realizes that the Jedi Order was WRONG and that the most powerful Force is love and he confesses his feelings to Sydow.

    And at the climax of the movie they kiss and TRUE LOVE’S KISS makes Sydow leave the Dark Side. And in the end they get MARRIED and this finally brings peace between the Republic and the Empire.

    And this is the closing song by TAYLOR SWIFT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zfzka5VwRc

  • November 9, 2014 at 1:52 am

    I think Leia will die.

  • November 9, 2014 at 2:02 am

    Maybe Darth Sidious takes over Luke’s mind. I read somewhere in the EU that When Darth Sidious was killed by Vader that only his body was destroyed but his soul could move into other bodies.

  • November 9, 2014 at 4:28 am

    Maybe Leia dies in the first act (or in flashback). She is most likely a high political figure

    Driver seeks retribution for his mother, Leia’s, death but Luke foresees that helping him will push Driver to the dark side and cause more disaster, so he retreats for answers.

    With Luke missing for years, Driver seeks the necessary power to right his mothers death, collecting Jedi artifacts, but along the way he comes across Sith relics that seduce him.

    Driver tries to seduce Ridley, promising justice for their mothers death, but he scares her. She seeks out her uncle Luke for help.

    I think that Driver will kill Han unintentionally when they finally find Luke. Han will be trying to play peacemaker and sacrifice himself for Luke.

    This will push Driver over the edge into dark emotional territory and Ridley will rescue Luke from an impossible situation. Ultimately setting up a cliffhanger where Luke will need to train Ridley to rebalance the force and hopefully save her brother in episode VIII.

    Episode VII will be about Han trying to reconnect family, but he will die in his pursuits, but be a hero in the process.

    And Leia will come back as a ghost.

    • November 9, 2014 at 9:36 pm

      I prefer your idea of Han dying as a HERO instead of Luke killing Han or even worse Han killing Luke. But in my heart I want Han, Luke and Leia to all survive episode 7
      Anyway, I was under the impression that JJ Abrams wasn’t going to make episode 7 dark tragedy but more fun and lively like the original trilogy

  • November 10, 2014 at 6:33 am

    What if Luke is so powerful with using the force, and because he can’t control his powers, he inadvertently resurrects an ancient sith villain spirit. Thus, The Force Awakens.

    In the meantime, his nephew (Adam Driver), who has always been intrigued by the dark side of the force, gets taken over by the suddenly released ancient evil spirit.

    Now Luke is overcome with guilt and has the dilemma, moral choice, of trying to save his nephew or having to kill him for the greater good because he caused the situation.

  • November 10, 2014 at 5:19 pm

    I wonder what causes Luke to become uber powerful…

  • November 10, 2014 at 5:21 pm

    It could be that they released concept art from earlier drafts of the script, perhaps even Arndt’s. That’d be a great way for them to keep the anxious fans occupied while the real material remains secured in secrecy. My guess is that they’ve had several artists working on concepts from the very beginning of the film’s conception and it’s that art they’ve chosen to leak as a diversion. It’s evident in the countless differences between McQuarrie’s work and the final products seen in the OT. Brilliant!

  • December 5, 2014 at 11:41 pm

    if luke is killed i wont watch the rest of these films. fucking with characters that have thrilled peoples imaginations for so long is just cheap and would be a terrible mistake. for people of my generation who saw the original trilogy as children these characters are cultural icons and should be left the alone.

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