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3 Similar Rumors from 3 Separate Sources About Luke’s Role in Star Wars: The Force Awakens!

luke_skywalkerA while ago, this bit of art circled the internet – it was eventually discovered to be a recreation of an image made of concept art that has since been leaked, and the belief that the big baddie of Episode VII has since been widely thought of as a sort of cyborg. The rumors even went further suggesting who that character is. BEWARE, major (rumored) SPOILERS will be discussed in this post, so read at your own risk.


The rumor concerns itself not only with the main antagonist, played by Adam Driver, but also the role of Luke Skywalker. The first bit of testimony comes from Kyle from our message board, The Cantina. He knew about the aforementioned concept art leak a little while before it happened, so we can place our trust in what he has to say. He notes that he got the information from one of his sources that showed him visual evidence of the scene described below. Actually Kyle first described this scene even before the concept art leak, when the scene was only described to him. That’s why you might be familiar with the outline of the scene. Now the description is much more detailed and perfectly fits with some other Luke rumors that were recently posted.


Here are excerpts from Kyle’s description:

Luke Skywalker, bearded and fully fleshed, raising a GREEN lightsaber at Han, who in turn has his classic blaster pointed at him. Adam Driver stands, not so much beside Han, but more off to the side. The perspective almost makes Driver look like he is in the middle. Driver looks concerned, but not frightened, more like he is pondering his next move.



I hate to say it, but Luke looks like a crazy person. I don’t know if he’s a villain, a cyborg, or a Jedi Master; but one thing is for sure, he’s a long way from the “Luke Skywalker here to rescue you”. It was actually a little unsettling to see.


Luke was in a tattered robe, but I couldn’t tell if it was fully brown or black, because it looked dirty and beat to s***.


Luke has some sort of gash or cut on his left forehead. Think Captain Kirk in Star Trek 3 after he fights the Klingon captain at the end. I guess it’s safe to say Luke looks like he just got his ass kicked.


Han looks like he is trying to reason with him, but also does not look happy to have a lightsaber pointed his way. His clothes look worn as well, and he appears somewhat disheveled. It’s unmistakably Han Solo, mostly because of his vest/white long sleeve shirt, as well as his blaster. He looks badass as ever.


Driver looks like he’s dressed business casual. Gray/black suit, with some sort of burgundy vest or jacket thing. It was hard to tell, of the three men, he was in the most dimly lit part of the frame. I still believe he’s the villain or secondary villain, but he just looks like a bystander here.



The three of them are standing in what I guess is a cave or some partially natural environment. The ground beneath them is gravel or dirt. The walls are definitely rock. The lighting is either from a small fire or an incredibly dim source.


The full post can be read here. BTW we got a confirmation from a second source that such photo, image or whatever it is, does exist.



Now first some backstory on the next story. Few days ago there were several rumors posted on 4chan that were completely fake. Not only did they sound ridiculous, but they also said that we at SW7N confirmed to them that the rumors are legit, and that we have sources inside Bad Robot. Both of these statements are a direct lie and I made sure to post a notice on our message boards. Of course I’m very far from saying that everything posted there is fake. After all the Mizzlelump rumors (which we also covered) were posted on that same place, and I have a reason to believe that they were legit.


Nevertheless, one of the posters from 4chan appears to be offended by our claim that some of the posts there are fake and posted the following plot details that actually match with what Kyle said and what Jason Ward from MSW shared further below. Here’s a direct quote.

(thanks to Cantina member Willibobo for sending me this)


(Beware, there are even bigger SPOILERS ahead)


>Luke brought a cataclysm to Tatooine soon after Return of the Jedi after he visited Anakin’s birthplace and for whatever reasons it’s changed him. It’s an even more desolate place now, there are meteor craters everywhere, you get the point, at first you won’t know that it’s even the Tatooine you’re looking at.


>Luke goes mad because he discovers he f***ing can’t control himself. He destroys everything around and kills people with his powers, unconsciously. He leaves his friends and lives in solitude on Mon Cal in a fortress of some f*** old sith lord because the dark side that clouds the place puts him in chains.



>Luke is now a Yoda + Paul Atreides, he f***ing sees the future, sees the past (that’s why the “flashback” scenes were filmed) and he’s basically a mentally unstable god.


>Nobody wants to have anything to do with him, but Han’s son (Adam Driver) wants to use Luke’s power for his own evil means.

So, last act of the movie (spoiler, but you’re going to read it anyway):


>Luke has a premonition about the destruction that Han’s kid will bring in the future and decides to kill him.


>Han is obviously mad as f*** at Luke.


>There’s a huge fight. It’s everyone vs Luke (Luke has his father’s red lightsaber here, so it’s obviously visually implied that he’s the bad guy). This fight is epic as f***.


>”But Luke isn’t the villain! But everybody thinks he is! Oh no, such a twist! Such darkness! It’s like ESB all again!”


>Han kills Luke, because Luke allows him to, “he trusts him”.


The second part of this sounds a bit too much. I personally have a strong reason to believe that this might not be too accurate but only time will tell.




And finally here’s a very interesting read posted by MSW almost together with the above article that does support part of the above rumors. The post is about the state of Luke in the movie that provides greater context to his appearance in this scene, and it highlights the essentials of his character arc in the film. One particular note is that he has stated that he believes he was mistaken about his previous speculation regarding Luke, and that what he has learned since then paints a much clearer picture of the character and the movie as a whole.


Here’s an excerpt of their story. For the full article visit MSW.

Luke Skywalker has become the most powerful Jedi ever, but he doesn’t believe he’s the wisest. He doesn’t want to make the mistake his father made by thinking he knows what’s right for the universe. Skywalker becomes somewhat deranged in his seclusion. He is consumed by his fear that if he should return to “society” his power could be misused, he could be manipulated, and he may accidentally hurt the one’s he loves.


For these reasons, to protect the galaxy and himself, Luke retreats into self-imposed exile for many years. I’m told he can’t always control the power. While he sits in a meditative state, he levitates things unconsciously and he’s not always in complete control and he’s never sure if he’s doing the will of the Force or acting on his own passions. Luke is seeing the past, the present, the future, “old friends long gone” and other things that prey upon his sanity.


You can definitely see the connection between these 3 stories. Actually the first and the third are a bit different, but the middle one serves like a bridge between the two. I also like that in all 3 pieces there is no word on the rumor that Luke is a cyborg in Episode VII. Since day one when that cyborg image leaked from Indie Revolver we’ve been saying that Luke is not a cyborg in Episode VII and that no major character will actually be. That’s what our source told us back then and we still stand behind his words.



Insane Jedi

Finally, we have a few words about the content of the rumor itself. You may or may not have noticed that this description of Luke Skywalker’s character bears a strikingly familiar resemblance to one many already know. In the Timothy Zahn trilogy of books from the 1990’s, known as “The Thrawn Trilogy,” we were introduced to a character named Joruus C’baoth. To quote Wookieepedia quoting Luke Skywalker from “Heir to the Empire”:

“But I really don’t think he’s a Dark Jedi. He’s erratic and moody, but he doesn’t have the sort of evil aura about him that I could sense in Vader and the Emperor. I think it’s more likely that Master C’baoth is insane.”


This character — a powerful and insane Jedi — seems to be what we’re potentially going to see in Episode VII. However, instead of being a clone of a dead Jedi this character is embodied in Luke Skywalker. Now, I can already hear the sound of a millions voices screaming as one, “THE EU IS DEAD!!!” Yes, of course, you are correct. The old EU is dead and will be over-written, but Simon Kinberg (for one) has told us already that the old EU is still fertile ground for cherry-picking concepts, ideas, characters, designs what-have-you:


“It’s certainly not off limits, it’s certainly inspiring. I’m working on an animated show for them as well [in] ‘Star Wars Rebels’ that will take inspiration from everywhere, but I know for the movies the canon is the canon and the canon is the six films that exist.”


In fact, the treatments for the Sequel Trilogy were written by George Lucas himself, so he could easily have merged a powerful future Luke with the character of this insane Jedi Joruus C’baoth, which is extremely intriguing. That said, all the usual caveats and salts apply. Let us know what you think about this potentiality either in the comments section or in The Cantina.



P.S. Special thanks to Echo-07 and Pomojema who also contributed to this article. As always these are just rumors. There’s no such thing as “something is set in stone” with this movie at this point. Even if something is legit, it may not end up in the movie. So treat everything with the proper amount of sodium chloride. Actually I really like the huge diversity of rumors from the last few months. It really makes the whole situation more confusing and contradictory. And that’s where the fun is. I really hope that still there will be many surprises in store for us on December 18, 2015.



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  • Anonymous

    I did it! I scrolled through without reading anything!
    Ugh, it’s hard to keep myself from reading those things.

    • Anonymous

      No wonder Mark Hamill shaved off those beard, Luke became a Force Ghost after getting killed.

      Actually I also scroll thru but happened to read ‘Han kills Luke’ and because ‘he trusted him’.

      Whichever it is, I am looking forward to Ep7. C3PO did say its gonna be better than Empire. I wonder if he meant its going to be a far darker movie?

  • thereisanother

    If Luke dies idk if I’ll ever watch another star wars movie… It’s like getting your soul ripped out.

    • Pomojema

      Bear in mind that this is from the same website that said that Luke would turn into a Force blob at the end of the movie. Take what 4chan has to say with a grain of salt.

      The only leaker from there whose word I have some faith in would be Mizzlewump.

      • Anonymous

        I’f Luke dies, I’m calling a Gandalf move. The most powerful jedi, should have force ghost implications beyond anything we have seen yet.

        • Tigress


          Sorry. You said Gandalf so I had to quote something from LotR (of course I edited the phrase a bit). :)

    • Anonymous

      I think both Luke and Han will have this effect. its part of the reason I don’t think they die in VII. The whole movie forever more becomes the death of X. Nothing else in it or its story matter, only the death of X.

    • Dan’s Voyage

      I doubt he is going to die, I strongly believe that one member of the original trio is going to be killed in each movie.

      And it will probably be Han in the first movie, Leia in the Second, and Luke in the last.

      Either that or they will all be killed in the first movie but that would be too off putting.

      • prabab

        Everybody expects Han to die, getting Luke killed would be quite a twist.

        • Dan’s Voyage

          A twist is not automatically good, in fact twists are usually bad and tend to ruin movies.

          Lots of twists and turns a good story does not make.

  • dee

    If they kill Luke already in the first movie, that’s probably going to be the last SW movie I’ll see in cinemas. It would devaluate the OT to a degree that I can’t accept. So let’s keep our fingers crossed that Luke survives or at least gets the heroic death he deserves.

    • Anonymous

      No death, at least not yet. You’re right, Luke Skywalker is Star Wars. You don’t kill Indiana Jones do you?

      • Anonymous

        No, the entire prequels didn’t have Luke. It’s not just about Luke Skywalker, but all the Skywalker’s! I still believe that Daisy Ridley is Han and Leia’s daughter who they hid for some reason. I also believe that Adam Driver is Han and Leia’s son too. (Jaina and Jason type storyline?) Not that those are the character names but the influence from the EU feels very strong to me. Also this would follow the Skywalker family idea.

        • Anonymous

          Why to hide one child and the other proudly leave at their side? Doesn´t make sense.

          • Mr. Anonymous

            Unless the reason to hide one child is because of the other.

      • Anonymous

        “There is another Skywalker”.

    • Anonymous

      It would be really pity to kill Luke…by Han! I mean – a guy that powerful that someone like Han wouldn´t have a chance…besides Luke deserves way more time of the new trilogy than Han (Ford) does. I´m really dissapointed and generally don´t like “crazy” Luke.

    • SGC

      Obi Wan died in A New Hope, after being the main protagonist of the PT. No reason the same couldn’t happen again.

      • Anonymous

        that’s not a very good point…..

  • Silver

    So… It’s not good to be the King?

  • Derth Nadir

    Love it! But why no word of Daisy in this scene? And if there are no cyborgs, why the art? Just abandoned concept, or is it because of the rumors that the cyborg thing is a Dagobah-like vision?

    It would be interesting if they could keep the true nature of Driver’s character secret and it is crazy Luke that reveals the truth that he is the masked Force user villain.

  • George Lucas’ Neck Monster

    Didn’t Vaders saber fall down the shaft in ROTJ when Luke chopped his hand off?

    • Anonymous

      Precisely, but Vader may have had another one somewhere else. Maybe an apprentices saber or something lying around in his quarters elsewhere. Empirial City? Coruscant?

      • Derth Nadir

        And technically he had more than one saber, at least in the real world. I believe the TESB or ROTJ saber was a converted Luke-Anakin saber because the original was lost and so it looked a little different. That said, it wouldn’t make much sense to retroactively have Vader with a second saber lying around somewhere. Maybe Luke makes one like his father’s, or that part just isn’t true?

  • Anonymous

    NO to Luke being evil and NO to him dying. He’s the hero of Star Wars, and they should not mess with that.

    • Derth Nadir

      The report doesn’t say he is evil. It says the opposite. And Luke is the hero of the OT, not the Saga. The point of the ST was always to pass on the Saga to the next generation. Though I agree that he shouldn’t – and likely won’t – die in the first film. It is too predictable and we all want to see him train the next hero (and not just as a Force Ghost).
      I love the idea of him being a little nuts after self imposed isolation and having uncontrollable Force powers that need to be “chained” by staying in a Dark Side enriched environment. The idea of seeing “crazy old wizard” Luke unconsciously levitating things around him and having Force visions is just too cool! He has become “The Son of the Suns” as he was originally meant to.

  • Jedi Master Steve

    The second part sounds WAY too reminiscent of the Expanded Universe with Han’s son being the “Bad Guy” as for the first part we can’t be too sure but I’m very skeptical of the second part, I can’t see that being true.

  • Anonymous

    So Han doesn’t die but Luke does (and returns in later movies as a force ghost)?? Very interesting if true…

  • Echo3

    Somehow I feel that Luke may have become powerful, may have hermit-ed himself, but I don’t see him turning against Han or anyone good. Nor do I see him dying in Ep 7. It’s too early for that, we’re still getting back into the swing of STAR WARS movies. Usually the ‘darker’ ones are not the first (ie ANH and TPM).

    • Derth Nadir

      I don’t think Luke turns against Han, but Han is trying to protect his son against his crazy old friend who disappeared on him and Leia many years ago and is now talking about taking out their son. If we don’t know that Driver is the villain, Han and the audience will think Luke is evil or insane until the truth is revealed. I think that is very powerful and gives Ford some great tension to play.

  • Anonymous

    This sounds like some kind of fanfic someone put together to connect two different rumors and that’s why it reads like a bridge between the two. That’s what I’m getting out of it, anyway (plus, it’s from 4CHAN).

  • Anonymous

    Maybe Han burns luke with a torch to bring him back to the light side of the force

    (temple of doom reference, anyone?)

    • Derth Nadir

      “Kalima! KALIMAAAA!!!!”
      “I love you, Dr. Skywalker!”

      • Anonymous

        LMAO! O’ mumshivye, O’ mumshivye!

  • Ugh….

  • Anonymous

    I actually like these rumors. Luke as Master C’Bouth, sort of, except basically good. Insane, extremely powerful. And then with others wanting to sway him to help their cause in the latest “Star Wars” struggles. Sounds like a very good plot.

  • Silver

    Viral, Pomo, Echo.

    Does this rumor go with or against the idea that Luke was around 20/25 years after RotJ?

    Seems to go against it in some descriptions. However Luke turning into an instant god shortly after Jedi seems a bit too drastic of a change.

    • Pomojema

      Most rumors I’ve heard state that Luke has been missing for a decade or so, not for most of the time skip. To be quite honest, I don’t think Disney would want to completely negate the possibility of telling stories during the entirety of that timeframe without Luke.

  • Anonymous

    Luke gone insane My thogut on this is that:

    THat’s not true, That’s IMPOSSIBLE!

    Search your feelings young fan….

  • Anonymous

    Wouldn’t it make more sense for Luke to kill Han causing Driver’s character to slide even further to the dark side and revenge (ep 8) and therefore causing the very disaster that Luke sees in his visions? Very Greek tragedy if you ask me. Just a thought.

    • Billy

      Yes, I think Luke survives and Han dies. Luke will restart the Jedi Order to combat the Sith and continue on through at least one more movie. Adam Driver will become a Vader-like figure in the future films.

    • Derth Nadir

      But that would make Luke virtually irredeemable to most people, including me. Han isn’t evil, so this wouldn’t work at all. It is also a horrible (as in horribly written) end to their great friendship. There is such a thing as too dark.

  • Anonymous

    I really believe they will try to paint a narrative of the force not being so black and white (or dark and light rather) as was seen in the OT and PT; as taught by the Jedi Council. That there is much gray. Some force users will be pure evil, some pure good but most will be combo of the two. Similar to how Game of Thrones has characters that seem really bad but have good qualities and vice versa. Perhaps culminating at the end of the trilogy with a new Jedi order and different philosophy of the force.

    • Anonymous

      I agree, and that may be why the title is Force-centric?

      • Anonymous

        Its about LOVE!! or the lack of it.

    • Anonymous

      Anon @ 00:58 AM

      Sounds like the Force itself remains the same, but the characters will vary. Does that mean some of the villains won’t be so bad?

  • MaxK

    Has anyone of you realized that Luke’s right eye has a different color (on the picture of Mark Hamill with his beard)? It looks like it is some sort of glass-eye.

    • Derth Nadir

      You know that isn’t an official image, right? It is a fan creation.

  • Jammo

    More false leads “leaked” by JJ to throw everyone off the scent, IMO

  • Anonymous

    All FAKE

  • Billy

    The MSW story seems the most plausible. I think it will seem like Luke is the villain through most of the movie but will turn out to be the hero in the end.

  • Anonymous

    I find it very hard to believe that Luke is hidden for the majority of the film, then will crop up near the end, to then get killed off.. I believe that he will gain control of himself and the force once again and save the day, and then in episode 8 he can train the new hero to become a jedi. I’m still holding out on a duel with Luke and the villain. Would be so epic to see him fling around his ROTJ lightsaber once again. I believe that if there is a death, it will be Han, and/or possibly Leia will die in the middle of the film. Leia is my favourite character so I will absolutely die if she dies, but I suppose they could get a lot of storytelling potential if she is killed off. I could imagine it’s by this rumoured political opponent supposedly played by Lupita Nyongo. A political assassination of sorts so Lupita takes Leia’s place. That would pull some heartstrings. Michael Arndt after all wrote the first draft and I remember watching him speak somewhere where he said it’s good to put characters death in the middle act so it’s a sudden surprise and blow for the audience, instead of making it an obvious climax for the end of the film, plus we all know JJ’s obsession with surprises.

    • Anonymous

      If Leia dies in the middle In some political assassination, it gives Han a reason to stop piloting a Super Star Destroyer, quit the New Republic, and go search out her brother with their son.

      But man what a feck ing depressing film that could be. I thought JJ promised promised to bring back the fun and innocence. All these rumors are way way too goth. SW is at it best when best when the line between good and evil is black and white.

      • Anonymous

        Well we’ve been told this new trilogy aims to blur those lines of black and white. I’d rather they didn’t but hopefully it is well done :)

    • Anonymous

      They better not sacrifice an iconic woman like Leia just to advance the story. SMH

      • Anonymous

        Yeah, putting one of the most iconic female characters into the fidge would be a douchey move. Also stupid, because do you know how many little girls ran around dressed as Leia on Halloween? They love her because she’s a princess AND she get to do cool stuff like leading a rebellion.
        They love Star Wars and make their parents buy the merchandise because of Leia. I wouldn’t take my 7-year-old niece to view Ep VII if the princess gets killed.

  • YODA 6.66

    What if Luke found this Sith wormhole, where Sith pour out of it and he has been there for 10 years killing each one that comes out of it!!!????

  • Abeeeeee

    Anakin wasn’t born on tatooine though, they say in TPM that he was brought there as a slave at an early age. So I call bs on that

    • yoda 1.2.3

      Exactly! He was born out of the Sith wormhole! Which Luke discovered and has been protecting the galaxy from like an exterminator at the gates of hell.

    • Derth Nadir

      PADME: How long have you been here?

      ANAKIN: Since I was very little, three, I think. My Mom and I were sold to Gardulla the Hutt, but she lost us, betting on the Podraces.

      • Anonymous

        PT is not canon. :P hahahaahah god if that were only true

  • Yodork

    It makes since Luke is in some type of cave location. The cave he was in and saw the vision of his father while on Dagobah will have a larger meaning.

    • Master Onymous

      Dagobah is a secret place only few Jedi know about: Qui-Gon, Yoda, Obi- Wan, Luke and ???

    • Pestelous

      What if that piece of Luke and Han fighting is a vision in the cave?

      • Anonymous

        cool idea! A vision of Friends and siblings turning against one another. Yikes!

  • Billy

    These are the first rumors that have actually gotten me excited about Star Wars VII. I could really see Mark Hamill doing a great job with the whole “insane Luke” thing.

    • Anonymous

      “That wizard’s just a crazy old man!”

  • Luda

    Dying but coming back to life kind of like Gandalf The White is something I think will happen to Luke or Yoda.

    • Anonymous

      Yoda is already a Force ghost and could appear if need be to move the story along. Dropping some deep Jedi Force knowledge from the other side.

  • Anonymous

    Will we see or hear the Whills in the ST?