UPDATE! Rey’s Visions at Maz Kanata’s Castle Audio Analyzed
A key sequence in J.J. Abramsâs blockbuster Star Wars: The Force Awakens featured lead character Rey (Daisy Ridley) experiencing visions of the past. This scene which is now popular as the âForcebackâ revealed a back story of Luke Skywalker, the Knights of Ren and a little bit of how Rey arrived on the planet Jakku.
Shortly after Rey, Han and Finn arrive at Maz Kanata’s castle, Rey has an encounter as she wanders the thousand year old watering holes underground hallways. In a beautifully shot sequence she finds the Skywalker family lightsaber that triggers a string of images, including the Knights of Ren, a young Rey apparently being left on Jakku and a shot of Rey stumbling through a corridor on Bespin.
Here is the original scene as shown in the film.
In theatres fans were bombarded by images and sounds that are very faint and almost impossible to identify on the first or even multiple viewings. However, now with access to the digital version of the movie, the ability to find out what those faint sounds are just got little easier.
Our friend Marcelo from the Brazilian website JediCenter, has taken the time to break down and analyze snippets of those faint audio sounds that has generated discussion by fans across the globe.
It seems the website has been able to extract pieces of audio from Rey’s vision sequence and were able to identify all of the voices heard faintly in the background. Not only do you hear hear Kenobi and Yoda saying “these are your first steps” and “it’s energy surround us and binds us” but you also hear a ton of other lines from Yoda, Luke and even Palpatine.
The altered audio file is attached  and here are the list of all the lines:
(Note: We’ve updated the entry on 00:35)
[00:08] Yoda: Itâs energy⊠â original scene.
[00:14] Yoda: âŠsurrounds us⊠and binds us. â original scene.
[00:14] Luke: No! No! â original scene.
[00:21] Obi-Wan: You will be tempted⊠â original scene.
[00:23] Obi-Wan: But you cannot control it. â original scene.
[00:25] Yoda again âsurrounds usâŠâ
[00:25] Obi-Wan: The Force will be⊠â original scene.
[00:35] Palpatine speaks to Anakin “…any Jedi!” – audio via
[00:38] Obi-Wan: You will do it⊠â original scene.
[00:48] Obi-Wan: Rey⊠â original scene.
[00:53] Obi-Wan: These are your first steps.
You can listen to a much clearer version of the audio HERE!
With a more clear view of the of how the audio sounds in the “Forceback” sequence it seems to raise the question about Rey and her past.
“What Do you think is Rey’s Heritage”? Tell us what you think in the poll below.
âStar Wars: The Force Awakensâ hits Digital HD on April 1 and Blu-ray on April 5.
interesting that obi-wan is saying “these are your first steps”. obi-wan taught both anakin and luke about the force and now he’s talking to rey. this is a big indicator (i think) that she’s undoubtedly a skywalker.
First of all – the only line I’ve heard in the cinema was the las one – These are your first step. And not the first, but the second time after reading it online and paying attention. So not only I don’t understand tthe meaning of these lines (apart of the last one), but the reason to have it there when most of moviegoers didn’t actually hear it đ
I only heard a few of these lines in theater, but I hear most of them clearly now. Cool. I think it points to Obi-wan showing up in VIII to teach Rey, with Luke (alive) by his side.
If all of this is right (I am still trying to hear it all), there is a lot more Obi-Wan in this scene than I realized. You make an interesting point about Obi-Wan teaching Rey in Episode 8. Everyone seems to be assuming that Luke will train Rey. What if he refuses? Things have gone pretty bad in the past when Luke tried to train people. Will Obi-Wan step in and train Rey if Luke refuses?
Try this piece of audio. It’s more clear. It’s the one that I was able to alter a little and break it down to list all the voices: http://www.jedicenter.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Rey-Audio.mp3
That is Anakin saying “any Jedi” on Mustafar, not Bib.
Completely disagree. Listen to it again. That is Palps for sure.
Still the same line, and not Bib.
I never said or even suspected it was Bib Fortuna. Where did that even come from?
I didn’t say you said it was Bib. The original poster thought it was Bib. You said you “completely disagree” and I was just pointing out that it is the same line either way.
Maybe he’ll convince Luke to train Rey.
“However, now with access to the digital version of the movie….”
Wait, I thought it wasn’t available for another 4 days? Oh wait….. You sneaky.
I still have no Idea why there is a Bespin shot in her Visions…lol
I think her father is Luke Skywalker and her mother is Obi-Wan’s Granddaughter or Grandniece. So, I voted “OTHER.”
Is it a joke?
Hey man! It’s Marcelo from Jedicenter! First of all, thank you so much for posting this. I was so happy to share this with you guys. You just forgot to post the audio modified where the voices are more clear and easy to hear.
Here’s the link to download:
http://www.jedicenter.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Rey-Audio.mp3
Feel free to include this clip on the post. MTFBWY
Wow, that audio file is very helpful! Thanks for posting, and good work!
Thank you. We forgot to include it. Now it is done. Great job and thanks for sharing it with us. đ
It’s definitely Palpatine. I put these clips together for proof! Tell me what you think.
Palpatine to Anakin Ep 3 : http://www107.zippyshare.com/v/W733CxNG/file.html
Rey’s Vision : http://www107.zippyshare.com/v/3nlJDRUK/file.html
Great job. Updated! đ
Thanks! Glad to help!
I made a clip showing them back to back https://youtu.be/FATqyG8cGSE
I made a clip showing that it’s Palpatine and not Anakin!! https://youtu.be/FATqyG8cGSE
“This scene which has now been dubbed the âForcebackâ…”
I thought the creators called it that before the movie came out, in an EW article.
“With a more clear view of the of how the audio sounds in the âForcebackâ sequence it seems to raise the question about Rey and her past.”
….The question had been raised before this. Still, neat stuff to hear.
I recogonized Futterman’s voice in there for sure but will have another listen to find the rest of TCW actors.
I believe that starwars.com had an article on voice easter eggs a while back, around the time they revealed who played TR-8R in the movie.
I read it too but remember little of it now. Futterman has such a distinctive voice that it drowns out the other female ones in there.
I don’t hear Bib Fortuna, which doesn’t even make sense. Every other thing in the Forceback either is connected to Rey or the lightsaber itself (it was present for all of Yoda’s dialogue and for all non-Rey related Obi-Wan quotes).
Okay, not everything. The only exceptions I could find was the sights related to the massacre of Luke’s students. And as far as we know, they may not be exceptions.
Luke’s kid…. and Kylo takes her and drops her off on Jakku because he couldn’t kill a child+cousin+strong
That doesn’t make sense. Rey is 19 and Kylo Ren is 30. So that would mean Kylo was able to kick ass and fly around the galaxy at 11 years old??
he is Han’s son and we saw Anakin do it in episode 1
in Ep. 1 Anakin was driving a podracer and flying with a starfighter, not leading a scism inside a newly forned jedi order…
well maybe Snoke made Luke leave the temple by having a stormtrooper army attack a planet which would give Kylo time to plant the KOR in the temple and then attack
I think he was about 18 and she was about 7 at the time he dropped her off. 11 year difference.
That’s true. Hmmm? Ok, I’ll bight. So when Kylo was fighting Rey, and Kylo said, ‘it is you’ maybe he is realizing that this is Rey all grown up….
Yes, that is what I believe. However, I wonder if he personally dropped her off, or did he give her to someone who dropped her off. If he gave her to someone else to drop her off, then maybe Kylo did not know that Jakku was where she was dropped off. And when he heard about this girl on Jakku, maybe that raised suspicions or he felt something through the force.
I think he knew that she was on Jakku. Because the second that he heard that the droid (on Jakku) escaped with a girl, he freaked out.
Obviously Kylo, is Rey’s dad!!! đ
Duh-duh-dah-dum!!!!
I thought Kylo was around 14 when he went bad.
But he has no problem killing his dad? He is the leader responsible for a massacre, why would he get so sentimental over a cousin? He is also obsessed with the dark side, killing Rey would help get him there.
I’m very sceptical that Kylo Ren had anything to do with transporting Rey to Jakku.
That was later, like 10 years later. Young boy Ben Solo probably couldn’t kill anyone he had an emotional attachment to.
We do not yet know the dynamics between Ben and the young Rey. Perhaps he resented her, his feelings towards her may be entirely negative.
Yup. If she is Luke’s daughter, he could have seething contempt for her power and even her name.
I think any feelings towards her would be mostly negative. Can’t see him rescuing her and leaving her on the exact same planet (a mere walk away)as someone who holds the missing piece of the map to Luke.
Maybe. We’ll see.
What on earth would Bib Fortuna talking to Jabba about Luke not being a Jedi have to do with anything?
Bib couldn’t believe that Luke was a Jedi even though he himself had been mind-tricked. It shows that many will doubt her and her abilities. That’s my thought anyways.
Except that Bib hadn’t been tricked at the point that he delivered the “he’s no Jedi” line…
Well, I think now it is obvious that Bib Fortuna is Rey’s father’s brother’s nephew’s cousin’s former roommate. And if you doubt it, here is the proof. Concentrate on how he pronounces the word JEDI. https://youtu.be/KslE5eaQQNs
Not Bib. I think it’s Luke saying “I am a Jedi” from Yoda’s death scene (as opposed to the same line to the Emperor).
I think you are right.
http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/GkMegdUt/file.html
1. Audio from EP3
2. Specific bit
3. Added some EQ and lowered the pitch a bit
4. Audio from EP7
Agreed. Also right after that line you hear “You will learn Luke” That really sounds like Hayden. New dialogue he recorded?
Actually is Obi-Wan saiyng “Will you do it alone”
Really? I’m listening to it over and over again and it really sounds like “You will learn Luke”
I think it’s just muffled. I believe it’s Obi-wan telling luke
“If you confront Darth Vader, *you will do it alone*.”
Definitely “You will do it alone.” The cleaner audio makes it clear.
Yeah! You’re right! But it’s a very weird “Any Jedi”. Like Anakin voice at high pitch!
listen at the audio analisis done by that guy, and you’ll be convinced
Oh I’m already convinced hahaha just said that feels weird to hear because Obi-Wan and Yoda voices didn’t suffer any alterations
I always heard it as Palpatine, but then again, they could have distorted The Hayden’s voice to sound more like Palpatine, so it’s like the Evil Vader half of Anakin / half Palpatine hybrid. My theory.
It’s Palpatine! I made a clip with proof. Check it out! https://youtu.be/FATqyG8cGSE
I thought about Palpatine, too, but it sounded more like Anakin to me. Now it definitely sounds like Palpatine with the back to back. Though the “Any” still sounds like Anakin’s inflection the more I hear it.
It’s like Palpatine is telling Kylo what he told Anakin. If it was Anakin, then it still would work as Kylo’s thoughts mirroring Anakin’s, which were fed to him by Palps.
I noticed Rey had a doll of a Rebel pilot in her AT-AT house
you just noticed that
Yes I had not seen it since the first night in the Cinema
I voted the Other Other. The first Other was just too obvious.
https://youtu.be/4mjFfdrTJrQ
So! at 0:30 if you motice in the upper right corner you can see a building, presumably the jedi temple of the new Luke’s order. last “these are your first steps” is said by ewan mcgregor. there are very many more sounds in the audio that I didn’t notice clearly than the ones listed up, plus I’m 95% sure that’s not Bib Fortuna. It has to be a force-wielder if we want this to be legit. I believe the theory listed lower in the comments that it’s anakin from ep. 3 is more right.
I see it! It’s silhouetted during the lightning strike.
WOAH that was a good find! You got eyes of steel. Somebody give this clone a promotion.^^
Good eyes, yes.
It is like a domed building with 2 towers. It could be anything.
Even I wonder if that piece of vision is the past, as it seems, or it is a possible future.
Well, Kylo probably lost his helmet in Ep. VII, so we can presume is past.
Although movies have those gaps, right?
Hmm… Curious. Did Luke take over Jabba’s Palace?
Tatoine and hard rain… I am not sure.
May be is a space ship silouette, who knows.
Arrakis!!!!
Ben Hur!
Rain in the desert is not an impossibility in the slightest.
Totally agree, even they had a farm.
I hope she will be a very new character.
She is a new character no matter who her parents are.
“you also hear a ton of other lines from Yoda, Luke and even Bib-Fortuna.”
Shouldn’t you edit out bib’s name, since that line wasn’t actually from him?
Unfortunate Constable Zuvio chopped up at 0:22
Wasn’t him, just had similar headpiece. He was on Jakku
Not if this scene is from the future. I think it’s him too.
I think Constable will have more story in next films.
I think it was important in TFA but he was cut for some reasons. (He was intended to be the new Boba?)
No. Pablo Hidalgo confirmed that that villager was not Constable Zuvio. It was also confirmed that Zuvio’s scenes were him leading a militia to help Rey fend off those attackers form the beginning of the movie.
In that case… đ
By the way, it’s interesting how Constable character is in all SW forums and discussions. We talk a lot about a character we know is there (even a figure) but we haven’t seen him in action.
We are creating a myth, a legend, a cool character.
If he doesn’t appear in 8, i will freeze to know something about him in 9
That’s someone different.
I dont think its anakin saying “any jedi” i think its luke saying “I am a jedi” from ROTJ in the throne room
I think it’s Palpatine saying “any Jedi”.
The “any jedi” dialogue sound more like it is coming from Palpatine than Anikan. When he’s telling Anikan is forsees him become more powerful then any Jedi.
Yes!!
I agree.
Isn’t Ben Ren holding Luke’s saber as well in the shot of the KOR, at Luke’s academy? Rey is Lando’s kid!
Lando and leia’s??
naughty đ
You know I think that Luke knows Rey since before the movie starts â seeing as Rey lost her family more or less at the time that Kylo would be a teenager (maybe older), so there definitely is a connection between Rey and the Jedi Temple, but I don’t think Kylo knows this, or at least, not for sure. Further I don’t think Luke nor Leia are her parents, I think she is from a different bloodline, otherwise Leia and Han would have pieced together who she is by the end of the film. So my guess is that the only person who properly knows who Rey’s family is would be Luke â my best guess is that Rey’s parents were original students of Luke who then went into hiding when Kylo sacked the Temple. Hence, Luke didn’t know WHERE Rey was hiding, but he does know she exists and who her parents are.
This is all a guess, but I think the abrupt ending of the film fits with my theory. Show Luke in the film, but only just barely, because the first thing Luke says to Rey is: “Rey?? I thought you were dead! Where are your folks, Kyle and Zuzi?” and that would kill the cliffhanger ending. Hence Luke’s silence and cut to credits.
Maybe Han and Leia knew who she was in dialogue spoken off screen. Maz says to Han “Who’s the girl.” then it cuts away. Leia later says “Han told me about the girl.” Then Leia is there to hug her first thing at the end. Why would they draw Rey so much to the saber that was Anakin’s and Luke’s before her if she wasn’t Luke’s kid?
In the novelization, it does say that Luke knew who Rey was the second he looked at her, so your theory could be correct.
dear turd, this doesn’t tell us anything, he knows who she is… nothing more, nothing less…
did you know that a father would recognize his son after years, in a room full of people, even by the sound of his voice?
the first second… that’s the thing.
WTF are you on about?
I have checked my edition of the novelization and it said nothing about that. It is exactly like the movie.
You mean e-book, audio book or paper?
You know what, it was probably the novelization. Either that or the script. Or “Rey’s Story”. One of those.
My Alan Dean Foster TFA doesnÂŽt have anything like that. It is a transcription of the movie in that scene.
Well scripts are canon, so there ya’ go.
Script is not Canon. Script is just script, the meaning of the word says it all.
There are many versions of scripts, the ESB script said “Luke, Obi Wan has not said you the true, he killed your father…” instead of the famous “I am your father…” and they filmed both options.
Dear TUD, this is the SCRIPT:
”
…
Rey stares, knowing exactly who it is. But she just stares for what seems like forever. Until he finally TURNS, SLOWLY, to her. Pulls back his hood.
IT IS LUKE SKYWALKER.
Older now, white hair, bearded. He looks at Rey. A kindness in his eyes, but there’s something tortured, too. He doesn’t need to ask her who she is, or what she is doing here. His look says it all.
In response, Rey pulls something from the pack. LUKE’S LIGHTSABER.
And she holds it out to him. An offer. A plea. The galaxy’s only hope.
HOLD ON LUKE SKYWALKER’S INCREDIBLE FACE, amazed and conflicted at what he sees, as our MUSIC BUILDS, the promise of an adventure, just beginning…”
End of quote.
He doesnÂŽt need to ask, just that.
It is open to infinite interpretation, it is not telling anything different to what we saw in the movie.
I believe main Canon is what is filmed in the movies, and in SW even that have been changed, for example from the OT to the PT, there are inconsistencies.
Novels, comics, cartoons… yes they can and will say it is canon, but I think they can made up and change facts in the movies from the cartoons or comics if they need it in the films… I donÂŽt feel they care a lot about it.
When we discover Vader is Anakin or Leia and Luke are sibblings, they are changing the canon via the characters lied in the movie or didnt tell all the true, it is easy.
TL;DR. Pablo Hidalgo said that scripts are canon. Get over it.
DonÂŽt be stuborn, that has not any sense, you have a movie why to look a script if you have the movie… if the script could say anything different CANON IS THE MOVIE.
Learn to read, I just posted the Script you were talking about đ
Stop inventing things!
The *shooting scripts* for the movies may be “less canon” than the movie, but they’re still canon, just as the novelization is.
If the Script says anything different, or they shooted different versions, the Script could not be Canon.
If the Script says the same of the film, why even consider it, you have the film!
If the script differs, than the movie trumps it just like with the novelization. The novelization is still canon, and so is the script. These are facts.
Well, imagine there are notes in the TFA script about Poe, background information not appearing in the movie. Totally possible.
And then Rian Johnson want a different background for Poe than that, so those notes are useless for him, and they are not in the film.
Do you think RJ care a s*** about some Script Notes that are not in the movie?
Obvious answer: He doesnÂŽt care at all. A script is a tool, if it doesnÂŽt work filming they just change it.
I you watch ROTJ, you finish it convinced that Luke and Leia mom was from Aldearaan and she grew up Leia until she was very young. As we know from the PT she is from Naboo and she died giving them birth.
Resume: Lucasfilm doesnÂŽt seem to care in the past about any Canon, Script or Films.
That, or Luke just demolished Leia world in 2 sentences, Vader her father, she was adopted and she had a brother. For her reaction, I bet she knew she was adopted.
I hope that is not too long for your lazy brain.
The Story Group cares. If it’s in the script, it’s probably in the novelization or some other canon material, so Rian will have to honor it. Sorry, that’s just the way it is.
Script=Movie, usually.
I am glad you feel sorry, that shows you may have good heart, but I have given you many arguments and examples, you no one. Your best argument was that Pablo Hidalgo acording to you, said something, somewhere, sometime, who knows what he really said, you could understand wrong, or you just have made up.
And I donÂŽt get why you have the right to talk in the name of Lucasfilm… LMAO
Are you Kathleen Kennedy disguised?
https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/672812018601033728
I see with this piece you are admiting I am right.
Finally…
Thank you!
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Insulting is your best argument.
Bully…
I share your theory. Rey is not Luke’s daughter, her parents are from a different bloodline, however Luke knew Rey, he sensed she was very strong in the force, but forever reason did not yet receive any Jedi training. She obviously spent a period of time being around the academy as Ben Solo knew her. When the academy was massacred, her parents sent her into hiding on Jakku, Jakku was chosen as an ideal place to hide from Snoke and The First Order. Lor San Tekka had some involvement, but did not take her directly as having both the piece of the map and Rey would be too much of a risk, but she was kept at a safe enough distance. Rey’s real parents died, and her path is now to be trained by Luke.
My biggest problem with the Kylo Ren left Rey on Jakku theory is the coincidence that in all the galaxy he just happens to choose the exact same planet, and within walking distance of where the man who has the missing piece of the map to Luke’s location lives.
There’s a theory that Kylo left Rey on Jakku? That makes no sense.
My thoughts exactly.
Maybe San Tekka went to Jakku after, because he knew Rey was there.
A possibility, but it still doesn’t change the fact that Kylo Ren just happens to choose the planet where the man who has been entrusted with the missing piece of the location to Luke Skywalker later chose to live.
I just said that maybe he chose to live there because Rey was there. Kylo put Rey on the planet, and then San Tekka went to the planet because Rey was there. Then many years later, Kylo went back to Jakku to get the map from San Tekka. It’s simple, really.
In my mind the most interesting dynamic would be that she is the younger sister of Ben Solo and he saved her, then left her on that planet. Ultimately I think she will end up being Luke’s daughter.
Rey is listed as 19 in TFA, Kylo is about 29 because he was born just under a year after the Battle of Endor as said by Lucasfilm story continuity head Pablo Hidalgo. Daisy said Rey was left on Jakku when she 5 years old. That places all hell breaking loose about 14 years before TFA, Luke’s training academy destroyed, Rey put on Jakku. Han and Leia seperation, Luke gone away. etc.
… and San Tekka in Jakku 14 years later with the map to Luke with him, few kilometers to Rey location. Interesting, right?
But if Luke wanted to be found or take care of Rey, he doesnÂŽt need to send anyone with the map, he can go and meet Leia. So if San Tekka was not acting in the name of Luke, but in the name of whom?
The story could be, Luke left Rey near San Tekka with the a piece of the map. But why left her to be a scavenger and not with directly growing up with San Tekka?
Pure coincidence?
Too many clues left to make us think she is a Skywalker, it would not be a surprise if she is.
And movies are about surprises.
There are probably more surprises, according to the polling, about 40 percent don’t think she is a Skywalker, so I guess it will be a surprised to them.
Mmmm I think 40% want to be surprised, or 40% think they are playing with us, or part of that 40% donÂŽt want she to be LukeÂŽs daughter…
I think everyone watching the movie though she could be LukeÂŽs daughter. Many clues leading to it!
Well if we were to judge by whom speaks to Rey the most in her ForceBack sequence she definitely is of Kenobi lineage. Although, Kenobi probably didn’t have a kid at 70, and Rey is too young to be his daughter before he died, so ..a grandfather you say… so Kenobi had a son..or daughter. Laura Dern?
That is so much to explain and to tell off screen.
Not really. “My name is Something Something Kryze, Duchess Satine’s daughter”.
Then, the ghost of Ewan’s past comes back and explains it quickly.
I guess but didn’t Duchess Satine die during the Clone Wars?
Yep. Maybe she had her daughter in secret before she died.
Maybe. But it’s a big stretch don’t you think?
Yep. That’s why I’m hoping that Rey is someone completely new.
They can get to it quick. ‘Luke I’m your father’ they had plenty of time to get into it afterwards.
They donÂŽt need to explain anything, the story will do it itself if it has sense.
And they also could not give the solution until Ep. IX.
I believe that if it is a good story, and part of it is that she is a Kenobi, the story itself will lead us to it. And I hope that.
Who is screaming at 0:10 – 0:12…Anakin? Damn that sounds cool!
Luke, probably.
It’s 100% Luke.
Do you know what scene it was taken from?
Obiwan’s daughter is Rey’s mother.
Obi-wan’s daughter? Who could that be? Maybe Satine’s.
It’s definitely Palpatine. I put these clips together for proof! Tell me what you guys think.
Palpatine to Anakin Ep 3 : http://www107.zippyshare.com/v/W733CxNG/file.html
Rey’s Vision : http://www107.zippyshare.com/v/3nlJDRUK/file.html
Have you all seen this? It’s fanmade, but uses lots of cut footage and spoken audio, and is pretty fantastic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsb6TubRBgU
I like that they took the time to record new lines for the trailer. Dedicated fans, those are.
I was a bit confused about that. Do you think they completely re-recorded Snokes voice, or did they add some lines from the deleted scenes? It does sound different, though quite well done. Good result anyway.
Listening again I guess it’s pretty obvious that they recorded new lines for Snoke. That’s not the original voice….
I checked it out, It’s a recreation of Snoke, but all the lines are official. It was deleted from VII! good on them for having Ewan McGregor’s voice speaking his line to Rey in this trailer! it’s so crystal clear!
Right. The lines are from the script / book?
Not all of them. I didn’t recognize those Snoke lines from anywhere.
Well, anyway it’s pretty darn good. I think the film would have been more compelling, and had a greater sense of urgency and danger, if they’d made it more about the Resistance and the New Order desperately racing against each other to find Luke first – the Resistance to rebuild the Jedi Order and the New Order to destroy Luke. I know that’s pretty well implied, but it gets sidetracked by the whole Starkiller Base thing, and the sense of urgency and importance is lost. It would have been more exciting as a real “make or break” situation, with Luke being the key. As it turned out, the “make or break” was being able to destroy Starkiller Base, and that was pretty lame, at least comparatively.
I agree the film could have used more dramatic build-up, but no, because JJ wanted to speed up the pace.
Some of it was a let down, but overall great film! It could have been much better, needed major character development.
I seriously looked into them, they’re from the novelization and therefore canon. Very well done!
Awesome. I truly wish they’d been included in the film. It would have seriously upped the stakes.
The novelization.
That Ewan line was recorded by someone different. different inflection and everything.
Holy schnap! If it was, that’s an amazing impersonation of the line and of Ewan McGregor
It’s Ewan McGregor đ secrets of the trade! lol
You think? Really?
Yes, thank you very much.
True!
Definitely re-recorded.
By an actor for the novelization which I used in the trailer đ
Here’s where the new trailer music came from: https://youtu.be/ZMnmZEMWnfE
Here’s where the new trailer music came from. https://youtu.be/ZMnmZEMWnfE
Thanks! The audio is a recreation by an actor from the novelization, but all of it official.
Here’s some clips I put together showing that it’s Palpatine saying “any Jedi” and not Anakin. http://www39.zippyshare.com/v/26yhqwPb/file.html
Well done. Spot on.
Thanks! Imagine what it could mean now that it’s not Anakin but Palpatine!
Seriously….
I’m just hoping one of the sites Admins sees this đ
I think they will. There’s a lot of discussion going on here.
It’s perfect how these lines from various characters were methodically placed in the vision.
Sounds legit.
Rey Fortuna. Sounds legit
Her Significance to Kylo is going to have me scratching my head for nearly two more damn years, Why Disney…WHYYYY!!!!
I loved you in BvS. đ
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00:35 it’s defiantly Palpatine that say’s “any Jedi” 100% not Anakin!
Big day for Star Wars if that really is Sidious in the clip. It either confirms in canon that Sith just like Jedi can become Force Ghosts or either that Rey is related to him.
Hearing Palpatine through the Force only means his spirit has survived and not becoming one with the Force. there is still to prove he can come back as a force “blue” ghost. Which i think not. What we know from the EU (novels and games) is ancient dark sith lords can only come back with the help of living people using dark side artifacts.
So what’s the difference between becoming a spirit and one with the Force?
idk but i guess only Grand Master and powerul Dark jedis can maintain their identity after death. But only good jedis can come back as force ghosts from what i ve seen about Star Wars. but i could have missed something.
It doesn’t confirm either. It’s a vision. There’s a reason you’re hearing exact audio from actual events that already happened. The only new thing, the only thing that sounds like someone speaking DIRECTLY to Rey, is Obi-Wan at the end, and it makes sense that it’s at the end.
To hear Sidious speak has to mean something. Especially in Star Wars movies, which are so Light Side biased.
Well we also hear children (plural) crying, which I took to be the children slaughtered by Anikan with the Saber in Ep 3. Are you saying that those children can be force ghost too?
That’s Rey screaming on Jakku.
“…experiencing visions of the past. This scene which is now popular as the âForceback”…”
I not agree. In my opinion, beside the obvious past visions, there are future visions too. A Jedi can see the future, but in constant movement it is. It can be real or not, depending on Rey’s path.
I am agree with that.
I think she can see some of Jedi/Sith story behind the saber, and obviously the future.
But there is a past we ignore.
We donÂŽt know if the raining scene and others are past or possible future yet.
LetÂŽs fix the facts added to this vision.
Kylo Ren saying “…it is you!!” in the snowed forest, obviously about the awakening. The awakening happens as we know by Snoke in the begining of the movie, or even before.
What is doing San Tekka in Jakku? Did he live there or just visiting?
May be looking for “the awakening”?
First Order clearly is chasing him for the map, but we donÂŽt know the story behind it. When started the chase? He has the map because Luke or did he give it to Luke? 15 years ago if as many people suppose Luke was in Jakku? no clue about that…
First Order was looking for Luke, or for the first Jedi Temple? Both? I think Ep. VIII will be about that.
The first Jedi Temple seems to be important.
San Tekka near “the awakening” is important, I bet that “awakening” happens some small time before Ep. VII starts, and San Tekka is there because that, I can be wrong.
Has been Luke hiding in that Temple for the last 15 years?
I think Ep. VIII will solve part of this puzzle, about the vision, ReyÂŽs awakening, and the importance of the first Jedi Temple, and also it will leave some other questions for Ep. IX, obviously.
my theory is this: The “New Jedi” Snoke talked about, can be awakend by someone that is all powerfull with the force (Luke), possibly this can only be done with the help of (or in) the first jedi temple. Snoke fears that luke found it and did his fist Awakaning (Rey) to create new Jedi. The Force (or Luke) was “calling to” Rey, as Maz told us.
You know what.. that’s a pretty good theory. I like it. It makes everything controversial about TFA plausible. Luke doesn’t run away, he realizes that he needs an army of trained Jedi out of the box to restore the galaxy. So he finds this “mechanism” for doing so at the first Jedi Temple, plants said “mechanism” within the Grafflex, and ships it off with Lor San Tekka along with the map component. That’s why she can do the JMT “without training”.
Yeah, I like it. Makes perfect sense.
thanks! still it does not explain who Rey is. But there is a possibility that Luke not only awakend Rey but also “created” her. Like Anakin was created without a father (by the force? or Plagius). Now, when the Darkside became to powerfull it was time to awaken her.
Idk, maybe it does.. This lineage issue is based heavily on Rey’s learning curve. But with this theory she can effectively be a complete outsider; just a force attuned candidate for the procedure.
Luke creating her, um.. could be. The ‘family’ issue is going to be a hurdle, but it could be explained by brainwashing.
Listen to this: put al the words of the “force back” in order and this is wat you get:
Itâs energy surrounds us and binds us. (No! No!) You will be tempted But you cannot control it. The Force will be any Jedi!. You will do it, Rey, these are your first steps….
OMG!
Plus the Force is greater than bloodlines and family ties.
Though they did say the saga was about the Skywalkers.
It still is, Kylo Ren is a Skywalker. But not the Skywalker we want, just like Vader was
But he’s the Skywalker we neeeeed.
In the end, we will need all of the Skywalkers to do it!
AND Matt the Radar Technician… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaOSCASqLsE
yep, we will need him as too!
I am still hoping that Rey is Ezra Bridgers’ daughter, although I know it is not going to happen.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Whaaaaaaaat?????? No.
Ugh, no. Besides, Rey is too white to be Ezra’s.
Lol fuck they beat me to the punch. I actually JUST got a chance to analyze a friends early copy of TFA blu ray and was in the process of applying filters in my DAW to analyze that sequence >,< Another thing I picked up is when you see that shot of the Knights of Ren in the rain after the slaughter, if you pause at the precise moment in time where a lightning flash occurs you see a structure far off behind them. I'm sure we're going to all assume its the Temple Luke was training the new era of Jedi at but I'm gonna back check the image across everything else we've seen so far just to make sure its nothing we've seen before.
I believe this may be the picture you are reffering to.
nailed it. Looks like either a temple or something with two people standing to the left and right of it (sort of like how Palpatine would sit on his chair and he’d have a temple guard to his left and right)
Hard to tell but definitely added there for a reason as all other lightning flashes show none of it, except in this blink and you’ll miss it case.
It looks somewhat like jedi temple from PT on Coruscant.
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/f/f0/JediTemple-Deceived.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110608004827
There definitely is some resemblance there. At least in some part of it.
Apparently, this isn’t the same location as Luke’s “academy.” I believe Pablo confirmed or hinted at that on Twitter. The vision seems to take place chronologically, so this can’t be the aftermath of the Jedi battle since we have seen Luke in mourning right before this.
The Making SW leaked TFA synopsis had that scene as The Knights of Ren against ‘The Clan’. Allegedly Ren attacked a village that had Luke’s lightsaber, believe Maz was there and escaped with the lightsaber. This scene is closer to TFA timeline than the Jedi academy massacre.
that makes much more sense, look closely and you can see him holding the other saber. How it makes it back to Maz ….who knows.
Could you drop a screenshot of Kylo holding the lightsaber? I keep[ on re-watching the sequence and I can’t see it.
I think I have a still photo at work….I’ll add it tomorrow unless I can find same picture tonight.
The lightsaber above would be Luke’s from Jedi, if anything. Or some other jedi’s.
Yeah, it’s hard to say. Resembles Obi-Wans from ANH as well. But in context of TFA….I’d say Lukes.
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Gracias.
One of the most overlooked and imortant parts in the whole movie happens right after the ForceBack vision. Maz Kanata distinctly says to Rey.
“Dear child, I see your eyes – you already know the truth. Whomever
you are waiting for on Jakku, they’re never coming back” Rey cries “but,
there’s someone who still could”
Rey – “Luke”
Maz – “The belonging you seek is not behind you, it is ahead..
So her family may never come back, according to Maz since that is who Rey is apparently waiting for. But then she says ”But there someone who still could (comeback)”..That is interesting…
Yes, Luke can “come back” means he had something to do with her at one point in her past.
Her mother could have left her on Jakku, or someone related on her mothers side, thus leaving Luke without the knowledge of where she is or possibly thinking she’s dead. It’s not a stretch at all.
With Unkar Plutt? I’d be so surprised anyone family member in their right mind would have left her with that Brute.
If they didn’t have a choice they would, or if he was the lesser of the evils presented at the time. Maybe she wasn’t intended to go with him but was forced to?
I really don’t think that either of her parent’s would have left her with Plutt. I see it being very possible that Kylo couldn’t have her killed and instead left her on Jakku to be basically enslaved.
Another potential canonical error I just picked up yesterday also was in the opening crawl it is stated that “…with the help of the REPUBLIC General Leia leads a RESISTANCE…” However if you read the novelization of TFA its made pretty clear in the scene of Leia speaking with Corsella that the New Republic does not support the Resistance at all and view her as a war-mongerer. I tweeted Pablo Hidalgo on it lol, which is it do they support or do they not!?
From my understanding, privately, they support the Resistance (even if it’s haphazardly/begrudgingly) but publicly, they will state that they don’t).
Of course, (somehow) Hux knows the truth and hence tells the troops in the rally how the Republic lies about this.
So yeah, take this for what it’s worth.
Help might not have been the proper word, acceptance is more appropriate, maybe not for the crawl though! The Republic reluctantly accepts the resistance.
They simplified it for the film, probably because they feared too much politics would hurt the movie. Unfortunately, they didn’t have enough politics and confused people with the destruction of Hosnian Prime and exactly how the Resistance worked with the Republic.
The Resistance is funded by sympathetic senators within the Republic, and the Republic tolerates its existence, though other senators call Leia a warmonger, as you pointed out. The Republic leaders aren’t unanimous on the Resistance.
I think Hux was distorting the connection between the two because he knows that the Republic fleet would strengthen the Resistances chances against the First Order.
They supported Leia-secretly
Right before we hear “Rey” I hear what sounds like “good.” Sounds like Yoda to me.
That scene did not feel like it was 50 seconds long.
That’s what my girlfriend used to say until I discovered THIS!
???
Very Harry Potter
Rey is the daughter of Han and Leia, and little sister of Ben Solo. The
reason most people have given up on Han as her father is because Han and
Leia seem to really act like they don’t know who Rey is. But the reason
they are acting this way is because the have no choice. Everyone
including Ben (who turned to protect his sister) thinks his sister died
in an attack years ago.
The sequel trilogy is really episodes 1-3
weaving together with 4-6 to produce a “synthesis” in episodes 7-9
(which is what will also happen to the Jedi-Sith ie balance of the
Force) JJ is just cutting scene mid-conversation and giving you the
information he wants you to have, while withholding the information he
doesn’t want you to have.
Has anyone wondered why e1
begins with chosen one on Tattoine, e4 begins with chosen one on
Tatooine. But e7 begins differently, with the chosen one on Jakku. Now,
why use Jakku? Why not the established pattern? Jakku is a spitting
image of Tatooine in the first place. But, look up in the sky on Rey’s
home. What is wrong? Something is missing from Rey’s home. What is it? A
SUN IS MISSING.
A son is missing from Rey’s home.
If Rey is indeed Han’s daughter, then he must have had his mind wiped as he genuinely doesn’t seem to recognize her in TFA, neither does Ben/Kylo Ren. i’m not so sure about Leia, who might know who Rey is.
Well…Vader didn’t recognize Leia and tortured her, so, yeah…I love you my daughter…blows up planet and almost kills her and makes her a prisoner. So anything is possible at this point.
I think there are subtle hints that at least Han, Leia, Chewie and Luke know her true identity. But the reason Han is acting like he doesn’t know is the same reason Obi-Wan is acting like he doesn’t know R2, Rey can’t know who she is yet, because that knowledge can be used against her. Knowledge of family ties are always used against these people.
It is imperative that Rey does not know. The moment the secret is revealed to Rey, she is vulnerable to Snoke and Kylo, as her family ties can be used against her, just as they were used againt Anakin, Luke and Ben. Sidious used it against Anakin, to attempt to turn him to evil; Vader used knowledge of Luke’s sister against him in attempting to turn him to evil; and Snoke used it against Ben to turn him to the dark side.
Han and Leia both have to act as though Rey died in the past. Neither could have her with them, as it would be apparent to many spies that Kylo’s sister in fact survived and her death was a ruse, if they saw a young girl matching his sister’s description with either as though the girl was, someone close to either.
Leia cannot even trust Resistance members with the truth since she cannot know who is a First Order spy, or who may be secretly listening inontheir conversations. Undoubtedly some other few know the secret but only those whom Leia trusts without reservation, and she likely would never bring up anything but how her daughter’s loss affected her and other things you’d say to keep upthe ruse in case there were bugs planted, ordouble-operatives in the ranks of the Resistance.
Rey’s true identity is the most critical secret that must be kept at all costs. Before Rey can be given the truth of her identity, she must first have the training to be able to resist having the dark side use that truth against her as it did to the ones coming before her.
Luke Skywalker is the only person in the galaxy able to reveal to Rey her true identity, as Luke is the only one able to train her in the way of the Jedi so that she may have that knowledge, and not be vulnerable to Snoke and Kylo.
oh Ben by the way, yes, he and Snoke definitely don’tknow who Rey really is. To them, she’s just a scavenger girl who is strong with the Force. See, it’s a good thing Han acted like he didn’t know her,and revealed nothing to her – otherwise Kylo would’ve found out when he mind probed her. “PADME! welcome to the dark side sis”
It’s possible. Leia and Han don’t know who Rey is, but the connection with both of them is there.
One of my thoughts were Rey is Leia’s daughter, but not Han’s. :p (the complicity with Leia in TFA final)
Ren is force sensitive he would have known on the spot that she was his sister.
Yep, we Force users always recognize family right away. Signed, Vader in Episode IV.
badum tss
J.J Abrams recently commented on the ending of the movie.
“That was probably one of the mistakes I made in that. My thinking at the time was that Chewbacca, despite the pain he was feeling, was focused on trying to save Finn and getting him taken care of. So I tried to have Chewbacca go off with him and focus on Rey, and then have Rey find Leia and Leia find Rey. The idea being that both of them being strong with the Force and never having met, would know about each other â that Leia would have been told about her beyond what we saw onscreen and Rey of course would have learned about Leia. And that reunion would be a meeting and a reunion all in one, and a sort of commiseration of their mutual loss”
I like your theory, but i don’t think Han knew who Rey was. If it’s his daughter and he don’t know, perhaps is because he thought Kylo “killed them all in the academy”, and he can’t imagine at all that Kylo did save Rey and hide her in Jakku (because, you know… there’s some light in him). In the other hand, Leia, being force sensitive, must know who Rey is, whether is her daughter or Luke’s. Whatever, she’s a Skywalker because this is the Skywalker saga.
interesting theory….maybe that gives some hope that Luke does have a son after all!!! yeah, I know my wishes from the EU will never happen.
Luke having a son is the only way the Skywalker name will live on..I got pretty excited when I heard those rumors back then about Hux being a Skywalker..but that turned out to be a total bust lol.
Yeah me too….thought he would be a perfect “Ben”. Well, maybe 8 will give us some hope…lol
Yes she is Han’s daughter Padme, we know. You already trolled the cantina, no need for this thread aswell.
I’ll go with that reddit theory that Luke (or possibly Ben Solo) killed Rey’s parents. It was something like, they were training with Luke and Ben and the rest of Luke’s new jedi’s but when Ben started to go bad, he took some with him (i.e.: knights of Ren). Let’s imagine Rey’s parents were with that bad batch, maybe they believed in a greater good by overthrowing a single jedi leader. So they ditch Rey on a remote planet so she’s safe while they go help Kylo overthrow the new Jedi Order. But Luke kills Rey’s parents defending himself. I think that would give huge balance to pull Rey toward the dark side for VIII. Imagine Kylo telling Rey the “truth” that Luke killed her parents, and how she’d view Luke after that.
Has anyone noticed the doll in Rey’s shack looks like it has a little light sabre by it’s side?
We actually still don’t know who the apprentice was that destroyed Luke’s Academy and killed the rest of his students. Could have been Del Toro’s character and not Kylo who would have been too young anyway to do such a merciless slaughter.
I believe that Rey’s parents will remain a mystery until the final movie. Getting stronger with the Force seems more of a priority to her than learning about her past. Don’t forget she doesn’t have a clue that Luke might know something about her past anyway so there is absolutely no reason to believe that she would ever ask him such a question anyway.
My theory is that Rey, same as Anakin, has no father, only a mother and was conceived from the Force as a detterent against Snoke, Ren and Toro’s character. That is why I think everything will be revealed in the final movie, because there really isn’t a reason for it to be revealed yet.
I agree that it would make more since that Toro was the leader of the KOR at the time of the raid on Luke’s academy. I’ve argued in the past that it makes the story weak if it was Ben Ren. Maybe, that is when he officially left the temple to become a KOR.
Rey…who knows??? I believe that they will keep it a family theme and though they are trying to throw everyone off from the obvious…she will still end up being Luke’s daughter. I think another Anakin like event would just be too much. But then again, nearly all of 7 was a rehash.
We know that Plagueis essentially created Anakin, not the Force unassisted. So someone else would have to reproduce that with Rey if that were the case
It is also implied that the Force created Anakin in reaction against Plagueis’s experiments rather than Anakin being a product of his manipulations. It isn’t settled in canon.
And I hate the idea of Rey being a Force baby/reincarnation of Anakin. No way they are going there.
I’m not sure how old Ben Solo would have needed to be, but it will be interesting to read Leia’s story in Bloodlines which is rumored to take place 6 years before TFA. Kylo is meant to be 29 in TFA so that would make him in his early 20’s for the massacre.
http://www.starwars.com/databank/kylo-ren
“Once an apprentice of Luke Skywalkerâs, he killed his fellow students and drove Skywalker into exile”
Sorry to ruin your fun.
How can 23% of voters think that Rey is a Kenobi? So: we have two new super-powered force users: One is a Skywalker named Ben, as a tribute to Ben Kenobi, and the other one is literally a Kenobi? That’s ridiculous.
I think Ben is rather a tribute to Harrison’s son.
that makes no sense in-universe. Particularly since thats the name which Luke’s son in the EU had as a tribute to Kenobi
Yup, for Luke it makes sense in the EU. But for Han?
For Leia. It’s just the man who saved her life. He’s no family, yet his name deserves to be in the family.
Yes, Obi Wan has played the role of Butler of the Skywalkers, he deserves much more!
His own offspring!
less for Han and more for Leia’s grandfather
Actually this is the score, Dark Side 2 – Light 1.
So many people think why this family continue having children and donÂŽt use contraceptive methods to save the galaxy, before they blow up entire solar systems…
Probably Luke though that (as he has future visions) and he is not the parent.
Kenobi is a cool option.
Luke: “No! No!”
Obi-wan: “You will be tempted”
## Maz Councils Rey
> Maz: “Whomever you’re waiting for on Jakku…they’re never coming back…but… there’s someone who still couldâ
Rey: “Luke.â
Maz: “The belonging you seek is not behind you, it is ahead. I am no Jedi, but I know the Force.â
## Interpretation
– Rey has already said that she is waiting for her family.
– **Maz confirms that Reyâs family is not coming back.**
This is possibly due to Rey having been *sold* to Unkar Plutt (the fat junk yard owner), which would explain why Plutt adjusts Reyâs ration payment according to what she needs rather than what she earns. Rey works hard, believing she is free and preparing for her families return, when in fact Plutt has lied to her to keep her dependent and productive.
>Maz: âBut there is someone who still couldâ
Rey: âLuke.â
Luke is not family, but if he comes back he can help Rey find what she is *really* looking for.
> Maz: âThe Belonging you seek is not behind you, it is ahead”
Reyâs longing for her family is a longing to be a part of something bigger than herself. Luke can help Rey find this new belonging, one that is tied to the Force rather than her lost family. Rey may discover unknown relatives (Kylo RenâŠ), but Luke is not her father. He will train Rey to be a Jedi, but she will have to overcome her hatred of Kylo Ren as well as fill the hole left by her abandonment if she is to succeed.
Rey is waiting for her family, but that doesn’t mean she’s expecting all members. She may be waiting for her parents. The dialog with Maz doesn’t imply that Luke’s no family.
The dialogue clearly implies the exact opposite of Luke not being related to Rey, anything else is pure speculative nonsense based on nothing.
Rey confirmed that she is waiting for family and Maz said that “whomever” she’s waiting for is not coming back. The audience has more information than Maz does at this point. We know Rey is waiting for family, but Maz just knows that Rey is waiting on Jakku for someone. I would even go so far to say that Maz is simply drawing the conclusion that it is time for Rey to move on because it has been such a long time. Maz encourages Rey to do “the next thing”, take the next steps, do what she can with her newly discovered powers, because otherwise she is basically wasting away on Jakku. At this point she’ll find a hell of a lot more meaning in discovering her place as a force user in the galaxy than she will doing nothing on Jakku. Its kind of a “common sense wisdom from an elder” sort of thing, rather than a “Yoda being asked to look into the future”, sort of thing.
Notice that Maz says “whomever,” not “family” or “parents.” Why would Maz be vague about it if what she meant was “your family isn’t coming back?” Maz surely knows Rey thinks it is her parents that dropped her off, but she chooses to use a vague term that implies no relationship (very Jedi “certain point of view”).
Also, even if it was family of some kind that left her there, that does NOT mean Luke isn’t related, because he wasn’t the one who dropped her off. So Maz’s “whomever” is restricted to the person or persons who actually did leave her there. It could also be restricted to a single relative, lets say her mother, and SHE isn’t coming back, but her father, Luke for the sake of argument, could still come back into her life.
Again, Rey clarified who she was waiting for earlier in the film (her family), so Maz’s “whomever” is already known by the audience, but not Maz.
I don’t think Maz can read Rey’s mind. She only knows that Rey is from Jakku and that she is waiting for someone because Han probably told her as much while he and Maz were alone together upstairs and Rey was with the saber. Scenario: “so tell me about the girl?” Han: “There’s not much to say other than I offered her a job but she wants to stick around on jakku, sounds like she waiting for someone.”
I think Maz’s reaction is simply the realization that Rey is strong with the force, because the saber called to her.
I don’t think there is any way to discern a “familial” connection vs. a connection to The Force. I think Rey will discover that she is an orphan, yet somehow related to Kylo Ren.
I know Rey believes it was her family, but she doesn’t know for a fact that it was her family that left her there. Pretty sure it was stated somewhere (Pablo?) that it is her assumption, but not a fact. She doesn’t remember much from that time or anything from before.
All Maz said was the ones (one) she is waiting for aren’t coming back. That doesn’t mean that the ones (one) who left her are who she assumes they are. It also doesn’t mean that it was her entire family that left her there and aren’t coming back. It also doesn’t mean that her family isn’t coming back because they are dead. Could also mean her real family doesn’t know where she is and that is why they aren’t coming back. This is a world where Vader “killed” Anakin…
My interpretation is quite the opposite, given one assumption. Maz says “whomever you’re waiting for on Jakku” (so let’s assume it wasn’t her family that dropped her off and Maz means those people, not her family) is not coming back but that someone can. After Rey confirms that Luke is that someone, Maz goes on to say that the belonging she seeks is ahead. The only established belonging Rey seeks is a familial one, and since what’s ahead for her is Luke, that strongly implies Luke is that family.
The fact that Maz hints at herself being force sensitive implies that she can tell that Rey is connected to Luke using the force.
It’s all in Maz’s first line and that assumption though, as it could actually mean that her family is all dead (since her family is who she’s really waiting for, and they’re “never coming back”).
[The only established belonging Rey seeks is a familial one]
Which is the reason we know that Rey is waiting for her family to return on Jakku. Rey confirms this, not Maz. So Maz’s “whomever” refers to what we already know about Rey: Rey is waiting for her family. The only scenario is which you’re interpretation plays out is if Rey is aware that the people on the ship are not her family.
This could be interesting for you:
In Germany, there is a whole NEW line at the end.
The full line goes: “Rey… dies sind deine ersten Schritte.. in eine neue Welt.”
Meaning: “Rey… these are your first steps… in a new world”.
No clue why its added just here. But its clearly spoken by young McGregors Obi-Wan synchronously speaker.
Actually Ewan recreates a quote from Ben Kenobi right after Luke uses the training ball in the Falcon. However, it’s curious to see that the German version uses the whole sentence.
well, technically that’s not a recreation as the exact quote is slightly different. however, it’s clearly a callback. good catch…
I’m going top guess that the German version of the movie is canon, and I guess the new world is Ahch-to.
I just noticed that the case that Rey takes the lightsaber out of looks exactly like the same one Obi Wan originally took it out of. I originally didn’t like the look of it when I saw TFA because I thought it looked like some cheesy pirate’s chest. Now that I see that it matches with the scene in ANH, I feel differently. I wonder what this means, if anything.
You can see this at the 2:29 min mark.
Thoughts?
https://vimeo.com/160263943
They’re not the same boxes at all. http://i.stack.imgur.com/4aFKo.png
http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/curio-1.jpg
Well, I’ll be!
Different boxes, but a very cool video đ
In fact I read, here I think, that the wood coffer is the same.
This scene turned out to be such an ABSYMAL MESS compared to what it was supposed to be originally. I will forever be ANGERED that they cut out the footage that was originally in the “forceback” of Vader vs Luke from a DIFFERENT ANGLE than the one used in ESB.
Agreed they made a total mess of this. How about you cut the damn trench run and make this scene what it was meant to be?
Maybe they are saving it for another vision she has in the next film?
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/24/240703225e9b031c0ed6d7de595f1dde79283646861394788cd207335e9c209d.jpg
I do?
I truly do not understand why people don’t want Rey to be Luke’s daughter. The funniest thing to me is the obvious Prequel fans hoping that she is some kind of reincarnated Anakin or created from thin air.
It’s hilarious.
People compare him to Jesus.
And it is true, he revived after death (duel with Obi Wan) to join his real father god: Palpatine. :))
She’s Rey Palpatine!
Another great plot hole by JJ and Kasdan. So Ren is strong enough to destroy Lukes Jedi Temple and its students but cant beat an untrained Rey. Yeah makes total sense.
It’s not yet clear how Luke’s Jedi academy was massacred.
Those were a bunch of bitch-ass little kids, and Rey is super strong in the force. It’s not a plot hole just because you’re too dim to pay attention to the details and use a bit of common sense. Sheesh.
For someone that didn’t like this movie, you sure seem to spend an inordinate amount of time trying to engage in debate and discussion about it. You must have more time than me. I hate, loathe, and despise country music but I’m hardly whiling away the hours on music forums complaining about the genre.
But again, your issues with this movie come largely from a place of ignorance. As of now, this sequel trilogy is a very incomplete puzzle. You’re taking umbrage with the picture with 2/3 of the pieces missing, if you’ll pardon my jigsaw metaphor.
But still, you’re looking at this in the most simplistic of terms. It doesn’t look like Kylo Ren took on Luke’s academy alone. Several other Knights of Ren were with him. Who they are, how their level of participation in the conflict, and how capable of fighters they are, we don’t yet know. But Star Wars has established that non Force-using beings can take on and defeat (sometimes easily) Jedi. They also attacked the an academy of students. There’s not much evidence that any of them were anything other than learners. Many, if not most, of them are might have been pretty young.
And as I’ve pointed out before, we know next to nothing about Rey. But even so, Star Wars has established that untrained, or barely trained Force-sensitive beings can pull off some pretty unlikely feats. Luke had a few hours of Force training when he was able to draw on it and sink his torpedo into the Death Star. And again, we can still go back to the fact that Kylo Ren was injured, an emotional wreck, and confused and under duress even in the best of circumstances.
Check please! I’m out.
I have no idea why Rey has a Vision of Bespin, unless she saw it through Luke’s eyes from the Past?
I think Ben is really Luke’s kid, but he tries to have him raised but Han first. They fail and send him to Luke under same premise. Rey is a Solo, she was hidden from Ren.
That’s why the Falcon was there, and it’s why Han was so close.
Err, he wasn’t that close, but when the Ship was in Space and Activated it sent a Signal so Han tracked it down….that’s what he said in the Movie anyway..lol
So Luke and Leia finally consummated their brother/sister relationship?
That’s a bit convoluted, but I can see it.
I really can’t imagine, how anyone could think, that Rey is Kenobi’s child.
It is just not possible!
Kenobi dies 0 BBY… The Battle of Endor takes place 4 years after the battle of Yavin. And TFA takes place 30 years ABE.
So Rey would be at least 34, even older! And she isn’t…
So if Ben’s force-ghost didn’t rape an innocent woman, Rey can’t be Kenobi’s offspring.
They also try to say she’s his grandchild. From some unknown.
Are people actually saying she is Kenobi’s daughter? Only heard she is of his bloodline.
Don’t subscribe to the theory myself.
Isn’t it true that the Skywalker saber was near where all these lines were said?
You mean where they were originally spoken in the source audio? Yes, I believe so. Nothing from Jedi or pre-Sith prequels that I can see.
she has to be skywalker because kathy Kennedy said the numbered movies are the skywalker linage. Who else is a skywalker if its not the one obviously pointed at in TFA?
Kylo Ren.
He’s a Solo.
Leia is a Skywalker. Kylo is her son. He may not have the last name Skywalker, but he is a Skywalker.
No, he has the same blood as Luke and Leia, that does not make him a Skywalker, he’s a member of their family but he has a different name: SOLO. As Thomas stated the SKYWALKER linage, so it will follow Lukes daughter, Rey.
Lol, that’s not how families work. Are you seriously saying that he’s not a part of the Skywalker family just because he doesn’t have the same last name?
I’m saying he’s not a Skywalker. Read what I wrote, may be do it a couple of times. Anyway this is done and dusted, have a good one đ
Whatever.
How is he not a Skywalker if he has their blood? Anyways wouldnt he be a Solo and a Skywalker if he has both lineages blood?
Leia, Luke, and Kylo Ren are all Skywalkers. And I am fairly certain we will get a heckuva lot of story for Luke. I can’t remember who said it, but the making of The Force Awakens was based on the question, “Who is Luke Skywalker?”
So the next two movies will definitely follow their lineage. This new player doesn’t necessarily have to share their blood.
Noted: There is no Anakin’s line in Rey’s vision despite his lightsaber being held by Rey. It seems like all those lines are what Anakin himself heard before, in other word, every one in Rey’s vision is talking to her as if she is Anakin. So, I’m onboard a reincarnation theory.
I don’t like how there’s only one line from the prequels. If what hearing are something to akin to the ‘force memories’ of Anakin’s saber, it uh… kinda has a longer history than just Luke’s experiences on Dagobah.
Awesome article! Great to have that all broken down.
I tend to think Rey may be born of the force, just as Anakin was. The force was in balance after the events of Jedi, however when Kylo turned to the darkside and destroyed the new acadamy, the force fell out of balance again. In an attempt to balance itself, the force conceived Rey within the womb of her unknown mother. When this was discovered she was hidden on Jakku until she was ready to take her place as savior of the galaxy. This being the case she could still be considered a Skywalker, as the only other being born of the force was Anakin, and it also explains why she is so strong in the force and can learn so quickly.
Just a crazy theory, and there is may be holes in it, such as why would you hide a little girl on a junk planet surrouned by numberous threats. etc. But i dunno, just something i thought of! lol Feel free to disprove me đ
Well that is possible except that we don’t know that the force itself created Anakin, it could have been Darth Plagueis for all we know since he knew very powerful with the force. Also we don’t know yet who Snoke really is, it could be Plagueis and he tried to create another force child (and yes I am saying another since I believe that he created Anakin) and the force tried to balance that child with the light and dark.
When we see the Knights of Ren, one of the thunder bolts (to the right-hand side) reveals a castle. I wonder what THAT is…
It could be an ancient sith temple since the knights of ren were there and it seemed like a pretty desolate planet which is usually where sith build temples