Pablo Hidalgo Sheds More Light On George Lucas’s Influence On The Sequel Trilogy
Not that long ago, some concept art from George Lucas’s pitch for Star Wars Episode VII finally surfaced, revealing that some of the key concepts that The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi were built around were inspired by his treatment after all. Now, Pablo Hidalgo is taking to Twitter to explain the creative process on how things changed from conceptualization to actualization.
The first couple of points worth discussing here were actually brought up by Full Of Sith Podcast contributor Bryan Young on his Twitter page, where he noted that a number of story elements from both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi were borrowed from Lucas’s story treatments based on The Art Of… books for both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi. Young mentioned that many of the plot points for the character of Kylo Ren were already decided by Lucas: that he would betray his uncle, kill many of his fellow students, and ultimately murder his own father. Likewise, Rey would ultimately convince Luke to get out of his depression and do something about the war. The key difference is that both of these events would have happened in the same Episode VII – whereas in The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, they’re both late-movie plot points. Hidalgo added to Young’s observations by noting that Kylo Ren’s origin was actually intended to be explored in Episode VII instead of Episode VIII:
In a very general sense, the original idea of 7 started midway through what we now know as 8.
— The Tweets of San Francisco: A QM Production (@pablohidalgo) January 3, 2018
So the difference between The Force Awakens and Episode VII as it was originally conceived was that the story would have coincided with Ben Solo’s fall to the Dark Side. Instead, we’re introduced to him being Snoke’s apprentice for a few years:
The son falling to the dark side was always in the mix. The movies just ended up having it already an established fact.
— The Tweets of San Francisco: A QM Production (@pablohidalgo) January 3, 2018
Later, Young got into an argument with an Expanded Universe fan who was unhappy with the direction of the new films. The EU fan argued that Star Wars Legends was closer to Lucas’s vision (it wasn’t), an Young responded by reiterating what was mentioned above, with other users chipping in to suggest that Lucas’s ideas weren’t completely scrapped so much as they were reworked by the people working on the new movies. Hidalgo added to the conversation by adding some of the code names for the other characters:
Skyler and Kira (and Kira wasn’t the first proposed name either; she had at least two others) became, after a fashion, Finn and Rey. The Jedi Killer morphed from Talon corrupting the son to becoming the son. Uber became Snoke. The starting point shifted. Yadda yada yada.
— The Tweets of San Francisco: A QM Production (@pablohidalgo) January 3, 2018
“The Son” and “The Jedi Killer”, of course, referring to the character that would become Kylo Ren. “Talon”, interestingly enough, refers to the Sith Lady that was seen in the Star Wars: Legacy comics (an idea that Lucas did pull over from the Expanded Universe, though not in the way that the character was originally meant to appear). It’s also worth emphasizing that these are story treatments and not scripts – as far as we know, Lucas only completed an outline for Episode VII and only had a few other ideas for the other two movies:
I think the fact that a lot of people refer to the as ‘scripts’ show they don’t really understand what it is they’re talking about.
— The Tweets of San Francisco: A QM Production (@pablohidalgo) January 3, 2018
Lastly, Hidalgo noted that “Skyler” (Finn) was originally The Son (Ben Solo) in some drafts of Episode VII:
Skyler was the son in some versions. And as for how all that was gonna go down, that ain’t my story to tell.
— The Tweets of San Francisco: A QM Production (@pablohidalgo) January 3, 2018
What an interesting dynamic that would have been… Nonetheless, we saw Kylo Ren and Finn play off of one another in The Force Awakens as foils, but not so much in The Last Jedi (where they don’t even share a scene).
That’s all for now, but it’s fascinating looking into the thought process that led to the creation of what we now know as the first two chapters of the Sequel Trilogy – and how Lucas ended up being a little more involved with these new movies than we once thought.
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That’s all well and good, but what about the Jedi banthas?
That’s all well and good, but what about the Jedi banthas?
Cut out of the film by the evil Kathleen Kennedy! #NOTMYSTARWARS REEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Hi, haters.
Time to bash George Lucas now?
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I thought fanboys are the ones that blindly love something regardless of it’s flaws. Those that complain aren’t really being fanboys now are they?
Seriously though. We need like a new term. Jaded Fans? Bitterboys? 😛
connoisseur ?
“I thought fanboys are the ones that blindly love something regardless of it’s flaws.”
Blindly loving preconceptions that only played out in their own heads, flaws and all.
“Those that complain aren’t really being fanboys now are they?”
See previous response.
I think the problem is not having a clear definition of what a fanboy is. Simply someone who is a fan of something? To me it implies they are on another level of fandom. So I guess it’s possible to have a fanboy who indeed loves and hates aspects of their given topic. Still it’s weird to have the same crowd of lovers and haters labeled the same thing.
See my point? You’re basically attacking both sides. Stupid fanboys! How dare they hate TLJ. Meanwhile the fanboy who loves it… what of him?! These are the things that keep me up at night. 😛
I’m poking fun at those who are acting like petulant little children, just because Luke Skywalker was given some depth.
If you insist… I’ll never forgive him for the special editions. Request granted?
Look, I didn’t like some of the decisions he took, specially in the prequels. But this thing about “forgiveness”? when you buy a StarWars pack with the films, you own a copy of the films, not the films themselves. They are not yours. Do you thing you have the right to forgive or not forgive George Lucas as if you were Julius Cesar ? He created this damn thing and he could do exactly what he wanted with it (yes, even selling it to Disney).
He might’ve created it, but he’s not allowed to change it and attempt to hide the original…
Or at least we won’t have to accept it.
“He might’ve created it, but he’s not allowed to change it and attempt to hide the original…”
^^ In which imaginary creative dictature do you live?
“He might’ve created it, but he’s not allowed to change it and attempt to hide the original…”
^^ In which imaginary creative dictature do you live?
Couldn’t disagree more with your first statement.
Couldn’t agree more with your second statement.
Ah yes he is. What sort of crack are you smoking lol, you’re right about not having to accept it though. Heck maybe you can go and create your own multi billion $ franchise. Can’t wait to see it!
He created a phenomenon. A literal historic piece of cinema beloved by millions. He later went back and practically destroyed the original copies making hackneyed edits. Even for just historical purposes the two versions should exist.
His stance is unreasonable. I don’t forgive him for that. Which by the way is anyone’s right to forgive or not. I actually liked that he handed it over to Disney. It was one of the more generous things he could have done for the franchise.
Disney’s done an alright job IMO. 2 out 3 films isn’t too bad. If they manage one more they will be tied with Lucas 😛
Well unless we start talking about Indiana Jones. He gets two more for that franchise!
No one argues about the SE as Lucas had a right to change his films. Just release both versions in the same quality and we could have done away with 20 years of this nonsense between him and the fans. I have the Blu-ray of both versions for Lord of The Rings, T2, ET, Bladerunner, Superman. Spielberg, Cameron, Jackson don’t care which version we watch as it’s up to what the viewer enjoys.
He decided not to do that because he feels they are incomplete. He doesn’t like the originals. He’s the artist, man, he does whatever he wants with it.
…if only for the amazing visuals. lol.
Calling it now…There will be someone suggesting that Lucasflim is making up this story to cover-up and/or justify the plot of TLJ. Lucas was consulted before the sequels and his story ideas were an influence. Several interviews back that up. It still kills me how many people think that the EU was Lucas’ vision. He had said on many occasions that he let the authors run with the stories. If I remember correctly, he even said he regretted that decision.
You have remembered incorrectly. He never said that.
I saw an interview where he stated that he wished he, in retrospect, had kept control over what became the EU in order to keep the story from going off the rails, like it had, so-to-speak.
People are stupid and do not know what they want. They also do not know shit either.
There it is folks your “Disney ruining Luke and making him an exiled
depressed coward, killing Han Solo off, SJW feminist propaganda”, actually came from the creator man himself.
I’m glad this trilogy has some Lucas flare to it, because it makes it that much more authentic.
I like that Rey is nobody, because it makes her finding the Millennium falcon and meeting up with Han Solo waaaay less contrived than her being related to anyone we know and magically meeting up with our old heroes
Lucas didn’t make him an exiled coward, all we know is he made him exiled and depressed. I very much doubt it was because he tried to murder his nephew in his sleep and ran away too afraid to face the consequences. Despite all the bullshit they’ve come out with there’s still no evidence that’s what Lucas intended.
This. EXACTLY this. Lucas may have had Luke in exile for certain reasons and with a much more significant strategy in place, but there is absolutely no way he had anything to do with fundamentally altering the character and having him be a footnote. THAT was all Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson. It’s pretty clear that it’s not even where JJ was going to go with the character.
“It’s pretty clear that it’s not even where JJ was going to go with the character.”
JJ put Luke on that island and produced TLJ, even saying that he wished he could have directed the script. So how do you figure that Rian Johnson somehow diverged from that?
The map is the best evidence that Luke had a larger plan in place looking for the Jedi Temple. Lor San Tekja has a critical part of the map and just HAPPENS to be a stone’s throw away from Rey? All dropped and/or changed in TLJ. I doubt JJ wanted Luke to be a mopey exile hiding from everyone with no plan. Doesn’t add up at all
The map is the best evidence that Luke had a larger plan in place looking for the Jedi Temple. Lor San Tekja has a critical part of the map and just HAPPENS to be a stone’s throw away from Rey? All dropped and/or changed in TLJ. I doubt JJ wanted Luke to be a mopey exile hiding from everyone with no plan. Doesn’t add up at all
Yes, San Tekka happens to be close to Rey because it’s easier to have important events happen on the same planet than planet-hop for the whole movie. This is why the droids crash onto Tatooine in ANH and conveniently end up at the Lars homestead. Simplicity of storytelling. remember, JJ produced TLJ, which means that he was cool to roll with everything it entailed.
Too convenient, still. JJ has said he had little to no communication with Johnson about the film. Ultimately Kathleen Kennedy calls the shots. No way JJ would have done the same thing with Luke, and ABSOLUTELY no way Lucas would have done that. Anyone who thinks that doesn’t really understand Star Wars and the Luke Skywalker character. Even Hamill knows it, and it’s depressing to see some people still deny it and try to justify the terrible choices made in TLJ.
Again, an explanation regarding the map? Doesn’t add up. This is poor, poor storytelling and characterization. Many fans realized it right off the bat, even those who enjoyed TFA (myself included).
Yeah. It reeks of a lack of planning and consistency. The OT had issues like this but GL and Kasdam were smart in making the Luke and Vader stuff the central plot line with the emperor.
Aspects like The map, Lor San Tekka and KOR were setup and RJ seemed like he didn’t care. Really, if LF truly wanted to give him carte blanche give him an anthology film.
Let those be the experimental films. The Saga films should be more strict and planned.
Or AT LEAST follow up on major plot points and flesh out characters. At an absolute MINIMUM.
A quarter of the way through TLJ it became obvious that they were using the “subverting expectations” thing as a crutch and almost a gimmick. By the end it became intolerable (that and the absolutely terrible humor). What a mistake
“Or AT LEAST follow up on major plot points and flesh out characters.”
What plot points weren’t followed up on?
Yeah. It is a deconstruction and I like those, but really playing with audiences expectations like that, I’m not a fan with. Because to be upfront I hated the mystery box elements in TFA and a part of me liked him ditching them. But it begs the question of why bringing attention to them.
Because really it just to me seems like an utter waste of time. And Rian Johnson needed to be more respectful of that. And even amongst his own films, I see TLJ a step down for really Luke is Bruce Willis character and Kylo is the Rainmaker but both not as well executed in my view.
I wouldn’t be so hard if LF was trying to be like Marvel Studios. Say what you will about them, but that company and Feige act like a very well oiled machine and are consistent.
To a fault? Sure. But I will take that over this new era of LF movies. But hey; if people genuinely like these movies, awesome. I really do mean it. But really, my hope is that after Episode Nine and Solo, LF will actually slow down and plan this stuff out.
Because, I am all for giving artists full creative freedom, but with these tentpoles, I argue there needs to be some control. A balanced approach is what I’d humbly ask for. But if people do enjoy this new era of LF movies, awesome.
I am genuinely happy for them. For me, I’ll wait for the next trilogy or even Obi-wan.
It became clear about a third of the way through the movie that he was just “deconstructing” things to deconstruct them. it became predictable. It was like a gimmick, and an excuse for lazy storytelling. This isn’t quality movie-making, regardless of how pretty it looked or sounded.
“Too convenient, still. JJ has said he had little to no communication with Johnson about the film.”
Too convenient? Who tf made you the arbiter of what is and isn’t convenient in a *Star Wars* film? Ya’ know, the franchise where the Empire is super overpowered and yet is easily crushed by space bears. That Star Wars franchise
“Ultimately Kathleen Kennedy calls the shots. No way JJ would have done the same thing with Luke, and ABSOLUTELY no way Lucas would have done that.”
Well first of all, Rian Johnson is the one who wrote the film, so he;s the one who characterized Luke in the film. Second, JJ literally said that he wished he could have directed the script, so clearly he liked it. And Lucas also clearly has no problem with making controversial characterization decisions (like making young Vader annoying and making the Jedi Order a bunch of brain-dead idiots)
“Even Hamill knows it”
‘All I wanted was to make good movie. I got more than that- @rianjohnson made an all-time GREAT one!’
Keep in mind that this is the same Mark Hamill who wanted Luke Skywalker to turn to the dark side in Episode VI, complete with a cool earring.
“Again, an explanation regarding the map?”
Luke went to find the first Jedi temple, the perfect place to end the Jedi for good. R2 had a piece of the map, and BB-8 had a piece of the map, and together they had the whole map.
The droids crashed on Tatooine because Leia was trying to get a message to Obi-Wan, and her father knew he lived there. Did you even watch these movies???? Damn, man.
So you’re not going to mention the Jawa sandcrawler or the fact that a droid conveniently malfunctioned so that R2 and 3PO could end up together? K then.
That has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Why are you trying to justify horrid storytelling and gross inconsistency in the new trilogy.. Where does this blind loyalty come from exactly?
I’m telling you that conveniences happen in storytelling all the time, especially in Star Wars. Two important people being on the same planet is NOTHING compared to some of the crap that happened in previous Star Wars films. You are over-inflating these supposed “inconsistencies” to justify your incessant whining. Where does the blind hatred come from?
I would have been fine with Rey being a nobody if they hadn’t made her so powerful with almost non existent training and they had also said from the start her parents aren’t related to anyone. I’m fine with her being strong in the force but she should have had a learning curve. Not “boom” she can do the Jedi mind trick… pull lightsabers to her…lift shit loads of rocks without being shown how. Even Anakin & Luke had to have a load of training before they could do any of that.
“Darkness rises, and light to meet it.”
I think the Force needed a hero, and Rey is that hero. But yeah. she could have benefited from a steeper learning curve.
I wouldn’t go as far as to say a steeper learning curve. Rey for me needed a better defined set of flaws. For example, why not make her a show off or overconfident. I like the former as it would have made sense given how she saw Luke as a myth and to see this person she idolized, she would want to impress him.
As for training, I’d say keep it the way it is but I’d make one big change. As you mentioned, that quote which is amazing and the Yin and Yang concept are great.
BUT, my issue is that it is a case of show don’t tell. Snoke is telling us that this happened but we don’t actually see it. To be fair, I have this problem with a lot of blockbusters. if I could rework the scene, I’d say keep the entire Throne room stuff, Snoke dying, Praetorian fight, and Kylo’s join me speech.
But instead of Rey grabbing Anakin’s weapon, she grabs Kylo’s saber and the two of them engage in a fight and Rey looses. Why does this work?
For starters, it proves Snoke’s point in that in this bout darkness won against the light. Second, it vindicates TFA in that Ben was conflicted, but here he is resolute.
Also, this fight proves to subvert ESB. Like Luke, Rey left, but barely did any form of training due to her believing she could turn Ben back. Overconfidence and a lack of wisdom resulting in lasting consequences.
Also, I won’t lie; a part of me just wanted to see them fight but with opposite sabers. You can’t tell me that wouldn’t be cool?
I wouldn’t go as far as to say a steeper learning curve. Rey for me needed a better defined set of flaws. For example, why not make her a show off or overconfident. I like the former as it would have made sense given how she saw Luke as a myth and to see this person she idolized, she would want to impress him.
As for training, I’d say keep it the way it is but I’d make one big change. As you mentioned, that quote which is amazing and the Yin and Yang concept are great.
BUT, my issue is that it is a case of show don’t tell. Snoke is telling us that this happened but we don’t actually see it. To be fair, I have this problem with a lot of blockbusters. if I could rework the scene, I’d say keep the entire Throne room stuff, Snoke dying, Praetorian fight, and Kylo’s join me speech.
But instead of Rey grabbing Anakin’s weapon, she grabs Kylo’s saber and the two of them engage in a fight and Rey looses. Why does this work?
For starters, it proves Snoke’s point in that in this bout darkness won against the light. Second, it vindicates TFA in that Ben was conflicted, but here he is resolute.
Also, this fight proves to subvert ESB. Like Luke, Rey left, but barely did any form of training due to her believing she could turn Ben back. Overconfidence and a lack of wisdom resulting in lasting consequences.
Also, I won’t lie; a part of me just wanted to see them fight but with opposite sabers. You can’t tell me that wouldn’t be cool?
Yes, that would be cool. I think Rey’s real flaws don’t have to do with physical prowess, but with personal losses. She fails to get Luke to help the Resistance (Yoda is the final push), she fails to turn Ben. Also, I think Rey’s rise was shown when she turned Ben’s force probe back on him in TFA and when she had her moment of clarity in the forest fight, also in TFA.
So, basically it all comes down to a sentence that JJ stated with The Force Awakens: “we need to go backwards to go forwards”.
Michael Ardnt said the main problem with the script was that Luke was shadowing the new characters as soon as he appeared in VII. So with this new information, it seems that the whole thing with Lucas treatment was to stablish his storyline at episode VIII, and then create a film (VII) in which Disney would “remake” episode IV introducing the new generation of characters (what Lucas called “they wanted to do the wrong thing: making a film for the fans”).
Of course Rian did his own thing, but the elements that we know now being part of Lucas treatment are major events of this trilogy.
“The Jedi Killer morphed from Talon corrupting the son to becoming the son. Uber became Snoke.”
Uber really should have become something else imo. It’s still the lamest name to a main character in any of the episodes…
Jabba, Boba, Dooku, Jar Jar…
I dunno. Snoke isn’t great (nor did he apparently matter) but it’s on par with the past IMO.
Well yeah, but those aren’t supposed to be the major baddie…
I liked him (especially Serkis’s performance in TLJ), but can’t ever take the name seriously, especially when a character says it out loud.
You didn’t like when people spoke of Snoke? What about when Snoke choked the bloke who broke his planned smote of the flotilla!?
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nice!
You know what? I’ll show you Snoke’s Boudoir for that…
I like it
Well it’s nice to know multiple writers took a crack at it and it wasn’t just Rian. There was at least some form of brain trust. The way they spoke about it prior made it sound like everything was thrown out and each director got to create whatever they wanted. Hopefully whatever the last part of the trilogy ends up being… it sends it off well.
Sorry, but from VII they are saying that it’s a collaborative process between directors, and that there is an idea of were the story is leading. http://www.slashfilm.com/how-j-j-abrams-and-rian-johnson-collaborated-to-create-the-future-of-star-wars/
And then contradicted themselves. Believe me I followed every aspect and the lead up to 8. They made it sound like they tossed out whatever Kasdan, JJ and Arndt came up with. It was all supposedly Rian.
I commented as much during the whole thing. It was very confusing from them. So don’t be sorry… as it’s on them.
You have to take everything into account, not just the latest report.
I understand what you say and I agree that some information seems contradictive. However, I think this is a very complex process and it worth to try to understand what they mean by taking all what they say over the years. I think it’s possible to have a white canvas yet to have some elements of a story or where do you want it to go. You can have Luke depressed, the conflict with his nephew, a protagonist girl etc, yet to build the whole story around that from scratch.
It would of been nice to see if Lucas would have chosen to trash the OT characters in an attempt to make the ST characters more lovable. Rey was the best thing in Ep. 7. She feels way overpowered and far too Mary Sue in Ep. 8. She’s a nobody that keeps out doing the skywalker blood and legends.
She’s a nobody for now.
Yeah seems to be some back tracking going on now. They said we would find out who her parents were in TLJ. Now in several recent interviews RJ is saying that might not be the case.
Because JJ might have his own ideas. Hopefully, though, he’ll run with this.
I’m hoping he doesn’t. One of my biggest problems with TLJ was Reys parents being nobodies.
It’s far more interesting to me than her being Palpatine’s dog’s roomate’s granddaughter. What would you rather Rey be?
I wouldn’t have had an issue with Rey having parents who were nobodies if they had explained why she can use the force in a way that took jedi months or years of training to do and if they hadn’t turned her parentage into such a mystery. Why not just give her a last name from the start and say her parents were nobodies. In one of the first interviews KK and Daisy Ridley did before TFA came out they were asked about Reys parents. They declined to answer. Why if it’s no big deal. Daisy went on to say that she could say Rey was SOLitary. She exaggerated the SOL. A lot of people then assumed she was a Solo. It wasn’t the last time they made a thing of her parents either. There was no point to it! I personally wanted her to be a Skywalker and have had some training. Some people think that was too obvious but so what! At least it would have been a good explanation. But I would have preferred anything to her parents being nobodies. Rey is my favourite new character but the direction TLJ took has spoilt her for me.
If she’s your favorite character, she should remain that way. Her parents don’t matter. She’s strong because the Force moves through her strongly, and she’s important because of her own actions and accomplishments, not because of who she’s related to.
No backtracking. JJ and Rian came up with the same conclusion they said,
Only if we believe that Rey’s parents, in the flashback. were making a beer run to the nearest intergalactic 7-11. otherwise why have the ship? or why not sell the ship and keep the kid, or why not sell the ship and the kid? JJ had other things in mind, and all this finger pointing just keeps everyone scratching their heads. I guess there is a good reason Kathleen Kennedy said there will be no “making of” books like the original trilogy
A few things here:
1. Rey might have remembered things differently since she was clearly in denial and knew all along who here parents were.
2. Maybe the bought the ship with the money they got for Rey.
3. The making of books you refer to came about 30 years later. It would be odd to see such similar works so soon. The Art Of…books are basically making ofs. Seek answers there.
They exactly said the question would be adressed. They never said we would find out who their parents are.
What did she do in episode 8 on her own besides lift up rocks?
I can get the misguided “REIZ A MERRY-SOO!” arguments for TFA. They’re *wrong*, but I can at least get where they come from. Any complaints about her being one in TLJ, however… Not so much. If she killed Snoke in a Force duel or something, there could be a legitimate point to make, but no. All she did was lift a few dozen rocks at once and kill a couple of skilled warriors with the help of someone with more experience in that field.
– Pomojema
“They’re *wrong*….”
Glad to see we finally have the defining authority of what is “right” and “wrong” in Star Wars here. Dude, get over yourself. Just because you contribute to this site it doesn’t make your OPINION any more or less valid than any of the rest of us. Instead of dealing in absolutes (which we all know is a common Sith trait), why not say “I think they’re wrong,” or “They’re wrong in my opinion.” It’s less divisive, and certainly makes you look less arrogant…
you also have to write the opposing view in mis-spelt words, I dont why, looks silly
Good point. It’s a cheap way of taking a shot at anyone who doesn’t agree. It implies dissenters are uneducated and can’t spell (i.e. stupid), therefore their opinions don’t matter and their arguments are invalid.
Good point. It’s a cheap way of taking a shot at anyone who doesn’t agree. It implies dissenters are uneducated and can’t spell (i.e. stupid), therefore their opinions don’t matter and their arguments are invalid.
Why do you need to be the language police? If it’s a thought that he’s expressing, I think we can all assume that it’s his opinion.
It’s not always just what you say, it’s also how you say it. IN MY OPINION, his post was condescending, so I called him out on it. Are you his bodyguard or something? I’m sure he’s perfectly capable of defending himself.
“Just because you contribute to this site it doesn’t make your OPINION any more or less valid than any of the rest of us.”
I never said it did, nor did I do anything to imply that me writing for the site suddenly gave me more authority than other users when it came to debate. Don’t project, kthxbai.
– Pomojema
“Just because you contribute to this site it doesn’t make your OPINION any more or less valid than any of the rest of us.”
I never said it did, nor did I do anything to imply that me writing for the site suddenly gave me more authority than other users when it came to debate. Don’t project, kthxbai.
– Pomojema
Let me give you an example of what I’m talking about. Observe the following 2 statements:
“Rey defeating Kylo Ren in TFA made no sense and was wrong.”
“Anyone who thinks Rey defeating Kylo Ren in TFA makes any sense is wrong.”
See how similar they are, yet convey something different? The first one provides an opinion without judgement of others or attempting to dismiss or invalidate opposing opinions. The second one does. The first one is directed at the movie itself and not at others. The first 2 sentences of your post are in the same spirit as my second example. You present your opinion as “truth,” thereby implying that anything else is “false.” You blatantly state that the arguments (and thereby the people making the arguments) that may disagree with you are “misguided” and “wrong.” You flat out say, unequivocally, “They’re wrong.” Those are your words. What makes you think you and your arguments are “right?” It’s arrogant. It’s just your opinion and nothing more. Get it?
Hmmm…deleted my post I see. Must have hit you pretty close to the mark to get you all riled up like that, huh kid?
I didn’t. WordPress can be weird.
I double-checked and your comment actually does show up in our archives, just not on the Disqus page. I have no idea what happened.
– Pomojema
I dont get the hate, even Yoda said she didn’t need any knowledge from the ancient books, she knew it all already. oh and the force swimming thing she taught herself at some point
No, he said that she had “everything she needed” to restart the Jedi Order. He was actually talking about the Jedi Texts and messing with Luke.
I liked that part very much, im very glad that force ghost Yoda is the silly goofy character from empire strikes back, instead of the wise master,
I have high hopes that force ghost Luke will be the brave jedi and not the hiding coward he was when he died.
It seems that when you become a force ghost, he can represent what you were before, and not what you were when you died.
Plus you have super duper force ghost powers, Maybe we will have a force ghost Luke vs a force ghost Snoke final battle
“It seems that when you become a force ghost, he can represent what you were before, and not what you were when you died.”
Well considering the fact that Anakin appears as his 25 year-old self when he died in his fifties, that’s not surprising.
I hated people calling Rey a Mary Sue after TFA. I kept thinking “you idiots! Wait till VIII comes out. They’ll be an explanation then” Did one come..No. In TFA she uses the jedi mind trick..no training. She pulls a lightsaber to herself..no training. In TLJ, as you said, she takes on several skilled warriors and does better than Kylo Ren in my view. And as for the rocks, lifting several dozen heavy rocks is no mean feat..again given no training. Even Luke in TESB could barely pull a lightsaber from the snow and he had had a tiny bit of instructions from Obi Wan in ANH. Also, Luke could only lift a couple of rocks after some time training with Yoda! Bearing in mind that Luke & Anakin before him were supposed to be stronger in the force than Yoda and any known jedi her parents being nobodies and complete lack of training makes no sense whatsoever. Broom boy is another example of someone using the force with out any training. This is the one thing I’m hoping JJ changes and comes up with a decent explanation. Just so as you know as well, Rey was and still is my favourite new character. Just don’t like the direction they’ve taken.
TLJ actually makes TFA much more interesting in retrospect in my opinion and does fix some of the gripes some fans had with it.
I had been thinking about it for some time when serendipity brought me to this article: https://kotaku.com/star-wars-the-last-jedi-makes-the-force-awakens-much-m-1821721569
Maybe you’d consider having a similar article written here? Just revisiting TFA in light of TLJ. It would definitely make for some interesting discussions.
Lucas did plenty of trashing of the Star Wars saga with his three prequels.
Uhm yea sure. A character like Darth Talon in 2017. Imagine the outcry. The only characters we are going to see with this little clothing on are Ben Swolo and Chewbacca, or other male characters. Otherwise you’d see #starwars#malegaze all over Twitter. I am shocked that you are even allowed posting an image of her. That’s a big nono… If you don’t believe me try buying official Disney era slave Leia merchandise 😉
Uhm yea sure. A character like Darth Talon in 2017. Imagine the outcry. The only characters we are going to see with this little clothing on are Ben Swolo and Chewbacca, or other male characters. Otherwise you’d see #starwars#malegaze all over Twitter. I am shocked that you are even allowed posting an image of her. That’s a big nono… If you don’t believe me try buying official Disney era slave Leia merchandise 😉
Ben SWOLO
Ben SWOLO
Oh sry, my bad 😀 yes Ben SWOLO. I thought it didn’t have the same ring to it when I wrote Swolo Ren 😛 I’ll change it immediately.
“Let’s blame it on the old guy”
Its like when someone gets another job and leaves 😀
They’re not blaming him. They’re debunking the mythology that Lucas had some genius plan for the sequel trilogy that was ripped to shreds.
It’d be nice if somebody asked him, but I doubt Lucas would say anything anymore
It’d be nice if somebody asked him, but I doubt Lucas would say anything anymore
SIDENOTE: in my comment I assume the process of writing TFA and TLJ was almost entirely separate.
When I saw TLJ for the second time I felt as if through the “kill the past” lines Johnson spoke directly about writing VIII. It felt almost like, when writing, he was thinking, “I should find a way to completely distance myself from TFA. Kill it.” And that is kind of what happened – the whole “Rey is somebody” theme faded, the one we thought of being the main villain of the saga got killed rather quickly, Luke completely changed attitude from what we would expect. I think this worked brilliantly, and made the sequel trilogy actually become original. That is also why LFL gave Johnson the job to do another trilogy – my guess is that they realised he should have done VII.
I also ask myself, might they want to also do an episode X and make it the Sequel Quadrilogy? VIII mixed up so much the cards that I seriously doubt everything can be simply solved in a two-hours episode IX, maybe not even in a longer episode. Next to being a commercially favorable choice, they might choose to do another animated TV-series, so that each trioogy has its own associated animated series.
I dont think the next trilogy will be 10 – 12. The Goddess has stated that 9 ends the Skywalker films, and we will be blessed with true diversity on and off the screen
Good heavens. Smh.
The evil Baron Karza and his cursed Body Banks, bring shame and disgust to Homeworld, All hail the true x-factor
You just earned an up-vote. Anyone who knows Micronauts has my respect. I agree that Ep. 9 will probably see the end of the Skywalker saga and Disney will focus on other stories for SW, certainly the proposed Rian Johnson trilogy.
My favorite series, still. And because of the legal rights will never again see the light of day. The first dozen issues would dominate anything on the big screen. Last Stand at Disneyland
Anyone who read the Star Wars comics back in the day know who the Micronauts are.
I had the toys. And comics.
I had the toys. And comics.
Uh, do you have a direct quote from KK stating this is her intention ? I’d be interested in seeing it 🙂
it was during the red carpet promotion on youtube, dont have a link. It was around the time Daisy Ridley said her character is finished with this trilogy, basically ep 9 wraps everything up, and then go in a different direction, except of coarse the standalones
Goddess=Kathleen Kennedy? When? Anyhow, I was theoryzing that IX would be split up in two films, IX and X.
It is why I liked TLJ in that regard, but I know that arguably could have been done a lot better. As in, this entire trilogy should have been better planned. Because,with TLJ; I despise TFA a lot more now than I did.
As for making the Sequel trilogy Quadrilogy; sure, I could see it. Heck, I argue the Prequel trilogy(on top of some better writing) could have been better with another movie, showing the actual Clone Wars.
Perhaps Episode Nine is split into Episodes Nine and Ten so as to fill in the necessary plot elements. Heck, have JJ Abrams direct them back to back.
Honestly, a part of me wished the ST took the LOTORS route and did this as that could have been amazing to see.
That is exactly what I think: they might very well split up IX, but instead of calling it IX part 1 and IX part 2 as any other franchise would have done, they can call tgese IX and X. Honestly, I feel that most of the audience would feel it to be a cash-grab move, and it partially is, but I’d like this solution. Not sure if Abrams should direct both episodes, although he did like VIII’s script so he might follow Johnson’s direction. I hope he also explains these famous Knights of Ren.
I would have rather seen Bens fall. Like in that flashback scene. Seems they save the good stuff for Forcebacks & Flashbacks.
By the time ep 9 comes out, they will have retconned out Last Jedi, and say nothing should be taken as final.
First it was Rey’s parents, now Snokes death is being questioned as absolute.
Goddess KK will listen to all the fans and when 9 comes out, expect some title like Star Wars : Unity
Every penny counts and quickley adds up – 1 Billion $$$$$$ – woo hoo – thats a lot of tears
I really hope not. Honestly, TLJ just showcases how badly LF planned out this ST in terms of consistency. I respect giving creators full control and indeed there is a legitimate debate amongst Hollywood about artistic integrity vs. Studio control and mandates.
But really, with a franchise as big as this, there needed to be a bit more supervision. Because setting a mystery box and not paying it off is going to really polarize people. I can only speak for myself, but I hated mystery boxes and what Abrams did. LOST is a perfect example of that.
But really, I’m not blind to see why people are furious. RJ should have humored that setup. LF should have done that. IF LF does in fact acquiescence to fan pressure and do a bunch of retcons, that makes them look worse. Note, I don’t they will, but I am just presenting a hypothetical. A smart mind would try to find some middle ground.
Overall, my hope is that LF will not repeat this same mistake for their next movies. But this all just my view. Agree or disagree as you choose.
Lucas’ story line for the ST still would’ve been better than what we have now. If anything, we wouldn’t be stuck with the stale OT aesthetic imposed on the ST thanks to Abrams, etc. And it more than likely would’ve been much more original, too.
And yet if he *did* make E7, you still would have complained about how the man ruined his own franchise and that the Sequel Trilogy should have been built off of someone else’s vision.
Search your feelings, you KNOW it be true.
– Pomojema
And yet if he *did* make E7, you still would have complained about how the man ruined his own franchise and that the Sequel Trilogy should have been built off of someone else’s vision.
Search your feelings, you KNOW it be true.
– Pomojema
I wouldn’t have, I like the prequels (a couple more than the other) and most of the SE. Anyhow, Adywan’s versions are the best from the OT!
It certainly would have been far more original, I think that’s guaranteed, if only because it would have been the Creator himself creating the product, and being unfettered by box office or critical reviews, he would have typically shown two fingers to the world and “told the story he wanted to tell”. That was his approach with the OT sequels and the PT, I can’t see any reason why his modus operandi would have changed for the ST.
….. the only thing that confuses me with GL’s original ideas is why he said in that pre-TFA video to JJ Abrams, “What are you going to do with the grandchildren ??”. Did GL plan for two Solo children ? Is there a second waiting to be revealed ??
“There is another…”
I’m really surprised people keep saying that Lucasfilm under Disney has decided to squarely stick with the OT aesthetic with the sequels.
If there’s one thing that I didn’t like about the old EU, is that things really didn’t change aesthetically. The Old Republic wasn’t that different and ‘Legacy’ could practically take place within a year or two after RotJ despite being generations apart.
The sequels actually do show some change within that 30-year time span in between in a believable way. Not totally different, but more advanced and slicker in a good number of cases.
Except for the part where they EXPLICITLY declined to use any of Lucas’ ideas WAY before the Last Jedi, but sure tell me anything
Apparently the truth is complicated and they tell us different things at different times. I actually believe them even though the story changes. It’s basically a mix of it all together. Yes… it was collaborative but also with a lot of freedom for each director/writer to do what they wanted.
That’s my take away after all the dust has settled.
Look you asked for Roast beef, but I brought you a PB&J. But hey at least it’s a sandwich. Because you know… #logic
More like: You asked for a roast beef sandwich, but I brought you a roast beef sub.
More like: You asked for a roast beef sandwich, but I brought you a roast beef sub.
They declined his TREATMENTS. That doesn’t mean they didn’t mine them for ideas, of course.
They used his ideas, but they EVOLVED.
Why does SWNN continue to run these finger pointing stories?
“dont blame Rian, its Georges Idea”
“dont believe that actor and what he said for the past nine months”
“dont accept anything in Last Jedi as the final word”
“JJ will bring it together”
Just accept this masterpiece as it is and what it stands for
Why does SWNN continue to run these finger pointing stories?
“dont blame Rian, its Georges Idea”
“dont believe that actor and what he said for the past nine months”
“dont accept anything in Last Jedi as the final word”
“JJ will bring it together”
Just accept this masterpiece as it is and what it stands for
Mark Hamill at least expressed his opinion about the script and the take on his character.
When was anyone allowed to do that under Lucas when the PT was being made?
To inform the ignorant, even if it does no good.
Meh, I don’t like the weird visual stereotype that villainous females have to be super sexy. So what, is it that sexiness makes you evil or that only evilness makes you sexy? It’s just weird.
Give them a red lightsaber and there you go…
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PERFECT!
I think it’s pretty clear at this point that Lucasfilm respects the crap out of George Lucas and his ideas, they just have their own direction in which to take the franchise.
And as for Luke even being a hermit in Lucas’ draft, I’m not surprised. OP Grandmaster Luke is fun but bland, and filmmakers like George Lucas and Rian Johnson would naturally gravitate toward Hermit Luke because revealing your childhood hero to a washed-up old guy is way more interesting from a storytelling and character development perspective, and it allows Luke to actually have an arc in sequel trilogy. But go ahead, continue whining about your “ruined childhood”. No one cares.
It obvious that many people cannot tell quality when its right in front of them, I mean 1 Billion dollars and growing! That alone puts this film up there with the all time greats – Transformers 2 and Fast and the Furious 7. On track to tie or maybe even beat Iron Man 3.
stupid fan boys , what do they know?
There are many people who dont like TLJ – if there would be a monay back guarantee if u dont like the movie – a lot of them would ask for a refund 😀
Would be interesting to see the earnings then.
I’d like to see the earnings of other movies if similar policy were applied. I’d also like to see my bank balance if we apply this policy retroactively. Pretty sure I hate every movie … just a little.
And then there’s the likes of me, enjoyed the film (especially more so with subsequent viewings), but critical of it, yet due to see it a 5th (& last) time this weekend…..
Box office takings alone makes a good film not. The passage of time, that marks it out. 🙂
its just weird that lucas would throw a fit about disney kicking him to the curb when it apparently wasn’t the case. what an odd duck lucas is.
Meh, I can never stay mad at him for too long. I get riled up and then I remember – this guy gave us the original trilogy and TCW, and that overcomes any of the stupid stuff he has ever done, made, or said.
Maybe he thought he would be more involved in the process?
thats on him for not negotiating it in the sale.
Man those Lucas ideas sound like what I wanted. They should have continued with new versions of the Solo twins or at least children with the Skywalker linage. Knowing that makes Fin Rey and Poe feel like a bunch of me too fan characters.
That’s exactly right
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Wait so JJ and RJ looked over Lucas’s treatment and morphed their story around some of those elements or is this just a coincidence?
michael arndt was initially brought in by lucas to write 7 and it was these early drafts that i assume JJ and kasdan worked from(since arndt got a story credit for TFA).
Interesting.
I think it would have been very interesting to see Ben fall to the dark side during the first episode and then be the antogonist the final two chapters. I know we sort of saw this in Anakin but we all knew it was going to happen.
That being said, one of the things I hope is explored soon is how Snoke got to Ben and influenced him. Everyone seems to know who he was before he was evil and took over The First Order. I wonder how he was able to get so close to Ben.
He never had to be physically close. We have seen how Snoke can communicate purely using mind and illusion. Snoke may have been posing as Vader in visions to twist Ben’s mind.
Damn, beat me to it by a few seconds. I just made a similar argument. I like the Vader angle, that’s a great point. Might be an additional reason why he worships Vader so much in TFA.
At least we are not alone with this line of thinking!
Kylo somehow believes he has been communing with Vader in TFA. I am not sure whether he was just deluded, actually communing with Vader, or being conned by Snoke. Considering how Snoke seems to enjoy tormenting people it would be quite fitting. If Snoke is now truly gone then Kylo would be totally isolated.
“I wonder how he (Snoke) was able to get so close to Ben.”
Maybe Snoke was never actually physically close to Ben. We see in TLJ that Snoke establishes the connection across the galaxy between Kylo and Rey. Maybe Snoke was able to influence Kylo from afar in a similar manner. Seems plausible. A wrinkle with that argument is that Kylo seems perplexed when it’s first happening with him and Rey. If he had experienced it before with Snoke, he should have had a better idea what was going on….
They don’t seem to want to answer those questions that way you can buy the books comic books.
My interest in GL’s version was not so much the story itself but the aesthetic and visuals that he would have favoured.
My interest in GL’s version was not so much the story itself but the aesthetic and visuals that he would have favoured.
Check out the two ‘Art Of’ books ! At least the first few pages….
I indeed I want these. I only saw them in the shop here – in french – so I saw the art but want to get English version for my own shelf.
Ralph McQuarrie, Joe Johnston and John Mollo defined the visual language of Star Wars. However, design trends evolve and the OT aesthetic is a product of the 70s. For me, the prequel trilogy never seemed to share much of the same language, and felt incongruous. I know people have come up with in-universe reasons for the disparity, but it doesn’t wash.
That said, Lucas could have provided some direction and rubber-stamped the designs he liked best, but you can’t recapture the lightning in a bottle that was the OT art department. I personally don’t think his EP7 would have looked radically different, though it probably would have more overt prequel visual influences.
I agree of course it comes from the art department. What I meant to say is closer to your point – what gets rubber stamped, how it evolves, and the overall guidance/direction. Not just in a single movie but across movies.
I wonder in particular what Lucas was referring to when he said Disney wanted to do something retro. Was he just referring to TFA reflection of ANH, or something more in the whole aesthetic.
Yeah, he was going to have Luke sitting on a giant taco in a floating orb:
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I agree that stuff looked like it was from another Universe not the Earthly stone huts we ended up with. Lucas always added things that made you feel you weren’t on Earth.
Agree
Wherever the blame lies, the opening line for J.J.’s Ep IX needs to be “This will resume making things right.”
Seriously? The Force Awakens was every bit as bad as The Last Jedi. And you think JJ Abrams is Star Wars savior? Jesus H Christ. The guy is a terrible director. Talent-wise he’s on par with Michael Bay. He churns out shallow, mindless, unoriginal shit films that somehow wind up earning a truckload of money out of the naive belief that “the next one will be better.”
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The Force Awakens was great and was respectful to the characters and the fans. TLJ was not, it was horrid and did not “feel Star Wars.”
The majority of real Star Wars fans disagree with your assessment of The Force Awakens. It was terrible, and from the very first moment when the crawl appeared on the screen, to when the curtain closed, it felt every bit as un Star Wars like as The Last Jedi.
You are such a troll.
The Rotten Tomatoes audience score for TFA was 88%. Are you saying that the RT score is only relevant for TLJ because it supports your hate. I’ll answer for you, yes you are. Troll.
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The imaginary friends that you polled in your mom’s basement don’t count as a legitimate survey of real Star Wars fans.
Isn’t it amazing how many moms have basements. my mom’s basement is slightly below average.
Isn’t it amazing how many moms have basements. my mom’s basement is slightly below average.
Then…why are you here?
You have no numbers to back this up. Fake news.
Nothing to back this up with.
OMG I agree with Kent!
to you.
I could be wrong, but methinks our new friend is a student of reverse psychology… actually attempting a backdoor defense of TLJ by using our own defense of TFA against us.
If I’m overthinking it and he really doesn’t like either film, that’s totally his prerogative, and I respect that… but something feels off about it (as many things in this forum do lately).
And yet his film received overwhelmingly positive reviews from both critics and audiences.
Is there any thought you can express that isn’t astoundingly clueless?
Reviewers and audience will enjoy any crap these days. When was the last great blockbuster that came out? Do you think they will be talking about these dopey comic book movies or fast and the furious 20 years from now? Can you name any blockbuster lately that will hold up like Jaws, Star Wars 77, Empire Strikes Back, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Alien, Back to the Future? No offense, the new SW movies and present day Blockbusters don’t even come close to them. But fans and critics are different now cause they accep mediocrity. So the studios oblige and give the fans what they want.
You’re certainly right. Original blockbusters are few and far between. In the 21st Century I would say the Lord of The Rings comes the closest to those movies in terms of cultural impact, and that series is already 15 years old. But we are on the eighth episode of the Star Wars franchise and ninth film overall. I don’t know what director out there comes along and creates a new Star Wars film that has the same impact as the original when the franchise is already well known and has probably the most demanding fan base in popular culture. Realistically, what you hope for is an entertaining movie that critics and audiences respond positively to. JJ Abrams accomplished that completely.
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You keep forgetting to include “in my opinion”.
A really good Star Wars film doesn’t need any type of explanation. It doesn’t need the Pablo Hildago’s of the world to tell you anything after the fact.
Since Pablo has explained Star Wars movies for years, according to your logic all Star Wars movies must suck. Or maybe you’re just wrong. Yep, that’s it, you’re wrong.
Ok. Then, to follow your “logic”:
The PT explained* the OT therefore the OT isn’t “really good”.
Q.E.D.
*”any type of explanation”.
But seriously. No star wars film “needs” an explaination. Everything is right there either on the screen or in obvious subtext.
That’s why lucas had to explain so much of the PT in interviews.
I saw the rise of Star Wars. Unlike most of the supposed fans here, I was there from the very beginning. I saw all of the original trilogy, A New Hope, TESB and ROTJ, in theaters. As well as the Prequel Trilogy. And I can say now that it is time for Star Wars to end. These new Disney films are an unnatural abomination. They need a stake through the heart.
I have a better idea. How about you just leave instead of bitching endlessly about a series you don’t like anymore?
When order is restored to the GFFA, then I will leave. Go into exile, I will.
I like your idea better Crixxxx.
He’s a troll. A white supremacist Alex Jones nutcase. Take a look at his past posting history.
& you now sound like Anti-Fa!
What?
Nevermind.
I have seen wackos on all ends of the political spectrum. On this site I judge more by the trolling behavior of people, who for some reason feel the need to take out their aggressive feelings (boy) by constantly and continuously posting negative remarks. My 2018 wish is that these fools will find a different hobby.
Says the man who bad mouths the PT every chance he gets in these comments sections. I bet you were the one who was complaining endlessly from 1999-05 about a series you don’t like anymore? Ironic.
I have no problem with Star Wars as it is today, nor did I ever have a problem with the originals, so there was never a point in which I stopped loving Star Wars, even if the prequels were insulting trash. I never called for Star Wars to end. I just hoped for better films in the future – which is exactly what I got.
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So what you’re saying is that us children of the 90s are lesser fans just because we couldn’t grow up with the Original Trilogy by pure accident of birth? Wow.
Actually, just as a side note here, some of the most interesting ideas I’ve heard from Star Wars fans have been from people much younger than I, children of the 90s or later. I like their open-mindedness and eagerness to see the story expand – I just wish there were more of that positive energy here right now.
We are what you grow beyond!
Yeah, I saw Star Wars on opening night in ’77 and couldn’t disagree with you more. Lucas lost his mind during ROTJ when he handed spears to teddy bears.
As a supposed original fan, you should share the frustration that many of us had with the prequels since George was making those for his 4 year-old and left the rest of us maturing fans behind. Not to mention retconing Star Wars with crappy CGI, goofy droids and Greedo shooting first.
For me, Disney has brought back the magic. No it’s not perfect, but as a fan “there from the very beginning” that you claim to be, I have no problem saying that the best thing to happen to Star Wars since the 80’s was seeing Lucas get the boot.
You fool. Why waste your valuable time and considerable power here?
I’m sure that if you write a letter to Disney (be sure to mention that you are a “real” Star Wars fan, and reiterate your credentials, so they’ll be sure to recognize your authority and take you very seriously) they will immediately cease and desist all Star Wars endedvours.
Me too. And I love the new stuff and even if I didn’t, I wouldn’t call for it to end simply because I didn’t like it. That’s called entitlement. you poor manbaby
I saw Star Wars out the back of a Volkswagen Dasher with my parents at a drive-in, in 1977. I also like the new films, too. Open-mindedness really helps with enjoyment when watching these films, especially if you’re not a film-maker.
I know something you guys don’t know.
George Lucas is Star Wars.
You can’t have one without the other.
Go ahead though, keep talking about the “next Star Wars film.”
When the series ended way back in 2005.
George Lucas stopped making good Star Wars films in 1983. THANK GOD he let other people take over his franchise.
He produced clone wars which was actually quite good.
Which other people wrote and directed.
The behind-the-scenes videos actually show how great of an ideas man George Lucas is, if he can find someone to translate his vision and tweak it as necessary.
He wanted to kill off Ahsoka for one, but I actually much prefer Filoni’s decision to have her live but leave the Jedi Order after calling them out on the way they treated her. I think it served Anakin’s character and transition to Vader a lot better than the alternative (plus more potential Ahsoka, which we got in ‘Rebels’!).
nothing wrong with revenge of the sith. 😉
A lot wrong with Revenge of the Sith.
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Let me get back to choking my wife to death. – even though I betrayed my entire order to save her life by trusting a man who can’t even help me save her in the time I need it to.
you turned her against me!
No no no, she died of a broken heart.
Puhlease…
Dux, buddy, you gotta’ stop dealin’ in those absolutes man! Or we will do what we must.
Dux, buddy, you gotta’ stop dealin’ in those absolutes man! Or we will do what we must.
One word:
“NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO”
20x better than TPM and AOTC, but still just as flawed as other saga entries.
Actually, the series continued with TCW bc he was involved in every episode.
So I know something you dont.
“George Lucas is Star Wars”
George Lucas is actually George Lucas. A human adult male.
When you finally contribute something factual and relevant to this comment thread, it will be the first time.
george lucas said previously that disney scrapped his ideas to go in a different direction, but now pablo is saying his ideas were heavily borrowed from. which is it?
george lucas said previously that disney scrapped his ideas to go in a different direction, but now pablo is saying his ideas were heavily borrowed from. which is it?
Lucas says that because they didn’t do it exactly as he wrote, and, to him, that’s the same as doing something completely different. Lucas is notorious for not wanting any of his ideas changed.
Everybody’s getting really tired of you shilling for Disney. You’re not a real Star Wars fan. Why don’t you just go away?
Still spouting the same BS about “Real Star Wars Fans?” Everyone was tired of that last week when you called yourself Jason. You don’t speak for anyone but yourself and your failed attempts at substantive conversation. Go back to your Alex Jones conspiracy sites. You’ll probably find plenty of people there who want to read your nonsense.
Dude, you’re here again. Everytime I go into these comments sections you always have 20 posts defending TLJ. Are you Rian Johnson? Lol!
Dude, you’re here again. Everytime I go into these comments sections you always have 20 posts defending TLJ. Are you Rian Johnson? Lol!
What a crime for discussing Star Wars movies on Star Wars discussion board. Don’t know what I was thinking! And talking about a new movie that came out a few weeks ago. How insane is that?!
What a crime for discussing Star Wars movies on Star Wars discussion board. Don’t know what I was thinking! And talking about a new movie that came out a few weeks ago. How insane is that?!
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You seem to hate Star Wars. Are you a real Star Wars fan?
You need to stop thinking about star wars. Especially when you’re name is “real” star wars fan and you start saying that typical “disney shill” BS about other people.
You need to stop thinking about star wars. Especially when you’re name is “real” star wars fan and you start saying that typical “disney shill” BS about other people.
this is true. but if he went on 60 minutes and raised that big a stink(“white slavers”) over them merely cribbing his ideas rather than treating them as gospel then he is even more petulant and passive aggressive then i thought.
He’s exactly as petulant as I thought. I love George, but the Special Editions fiasco should tell you everything you need to know about him and his “vision”.
He’s exactly as petulant as I thought. I love George, but the Special Editions fiasco should tell you everything you need to know about him and his “vision”.
Still supporting this dumpster of a movie? Seriously? You just continue to damage your own credibility
Disney’s bringing Lucas into the equation to try and give the ST legitimacy as “authentic” Star Wars straight from the source — when this is not the case at all.
What Lucas said is truth, what we are seeing now is damage control because they know the backlash is in full swing.
Disney hasn’t even made much a profit off their deal with Lucas yet, they’re just barely breaking even here and they expect Solo to flop.
Fanboys will never learn though. I learned to stop giving a shit. New Star Wars? No new Star Wars? Who gives a shit really?
– Disney hasn’t even made much a profit off their deal with Lucas yet, they’re just barely breaking even here and they expect Solo to flop. –
They broke even on a 4 billion dollar investment in less than 10 years (And I’m honestly pretty sure they have made money on the deal considering all other aspects of the franchise)….with just 3 movies… I’d say that’s pretty much a win for them.
You are adorable!
Its all true – from a certain point of view
He’s saying they didn’t incorporate George’s ideas until writing Episode 8. Episode 7 went in its own direction for the most part, even though it pretty much felt like a rehash of the original. If anything, this explains why 7 and 8 don’t seem to have much cohesion in terms of storytelling.
It was still his characters and basic ideas for the world post Jedi. Considering Disney was under no obligations to him at all, he should have been glad they did that much.
In George Lucas’s mind, that means they didn’t do things exactly how he wanted them. Any slight deviation is a total discard from his POV.
Who should I believe, Lucas, the creator of SW (and Hamill, who just last month said that they should’ve followed Lucas’ ideas) or the soy-boy that is currently employed as a writing and consultant to the new movies? Hard choice indeed.
I’m starting to notice they want to leave alot of questions & mysteries open & not answer them onscreen. I hope this isn’t part of a marketing plan to make people read the Books & Comics etc.
The rumor is there is a going to be a novel Episode 8.5 to answer a lot of questions from TLJ to combat the backlash.
This rumor is 100% BS. That’s not happening.
HAHAHAHA no.
you mean, like Empire? Middle of the trilogy.
It’s laziness more than anything. But yes, expect books on snoke and everything else they skipped in 8.
They answered basically every question they could in TLJ. If they want people to check out the new canon, that wouldn’t be a very good way to do it.
Pablo Hildago and clueless Kathleen Kennedy are NOT Star Wars.
Only George Lucas is. Disney is now beginning to figure this out the hard way
Yeah, it’s not like he personally hired them, entrusted them with the authority to handle the franchise after he retired, and made sure that their positions in Lucasfilm were protected once the Disney merger happened.
Oh, wait.
– Pomojema
Whatever George entrusted them to do obviously went out the window after Disney got their scummy mitts on the franchise.
if this wasn’t the case, then so many fans wouldn’t be hating on these new films. Which Im sorry to say, are absolutely terrible.
The Last Jedi was one of the worst films I’ve ever seen in my life. No hyperbole.
Whatever George entrusted them to do obviously went out the window after Disney got their scummy mitts on the franchise.
if this wasn’t the case, then so many fans wouldn’t be hating on these new films. Which Im sorry to say, are absolutely terrible.
The Last Jedi was one of the worst films I’ve ever seen in my life. No hyperbole.
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Hate to break it to ya slick, but two of the most disliked episodes of Star Wars were made by George Lucas.
“Hate to break it to ya slick, but IN MY OPINION the three most disliked episodes of Star Wars were made by George Lucas.”
Fixed it for you there slick
In the opinion of critics and numerous fan polls. But keep on pretending that no one ever criticized those movies like the ignoramus that you are.
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Jar Jar didn’t feel half as shoehorned as Porgs. I mean seriously. Jar Jar and the Gungans at leasst contributed to the story. Everything Porg could be cut from TLJ and the story wouldn’t make any less sense.
The Porgs didn’t ruin 2 hours of the movie with their retarded antics and 2 year-old-bathroom humor.
no that was Rian’s writing and forced humour instead
This movie had one scene with better writing than the entirety of the prequel trilogy. And I guess you think that this is the first SW movie with humor in it. Get real.
porgs “shoehorned”? LUL
Here 9secs of Jar Jar contributing to the story with intelligent humor (against childish Rian Johnson) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRA7-jA5GJk
You’re wrong actually Jason
TPM 59%
AOTC 57%
“if this wasn’t the case, then so many fans wouldn’t be hating on these new films.”
Dude, have you SEEN the Star Wars fandom? We can’t agree on ANYTHING!
– Pomojema
“if this wasn’t the case, then so many fans wouldn’t be hating on these new films.”
Dude, have you SEEN the Star Wars fandom? We can’t agree on ANYTHING!
– Pomojema
No hyperbole. Just 100% pure old-fashion home cooked opinion.
“so many fans wouldn’t be hating on these new films”:
TFA 88%
R1 87%
So you are now applying the TLJ score to the prior Disney films to troll. Good job.
.Star Wars fans hate everything that came out after 1980. There is simply no pleasing Star Wars fans. TFA was too “derivative” for them, and TLJ was too “out there” for them. The only thing that would please them is a de-aging device that could allow them to relive 1977 and 1980 over and over again.
You can be “out there” without having a terrible script. There’s nothing wrong with “out there” if it’s a good movie. There’s also nothing wrong with being derivative, as long as it’s not *direct plagiarism* of what’s come before to the extent that something is essentially a remake. I mean, Jesus, at least 40 minutes of TLJ was a direct lift from “Return of the Jedi”. I don’t mind “out there” or “different” – but TLJ *wasn’t* – in fact, it copied so much from ROTJ and ESB that it was just lazy. and to boot. it was just bad. I’ve seen it 3 times now to be sure (once on a bootleg) and it’s just an abysmal film with embarrassingly bad editing, a catastrophically bad script that’s on the level of low parody, a structure that seems literally built to kill any suspense whatsoever, ridiculously bad choices – it’s like a film made by someone who hates Star Wars. I loved the first half of “Force Awakens” before it went to crap in the second half. And there are a handful of moments, if taken out of context, in TLJ, that I enjoyed – but TLJ is simply a lousy film – and the worst SW film since the worst of the prequels. Just one example? After Leia is seen by Poe, etc., FLYING in space after being frozen solid – literally shows herself to have the most powerful force power in the universe – and not a SINGLE question about it from Poe or anyone – to give them – or even give the audience an explanation? No excuse – that’s just a poor script.
You can be “out there” without having a terrible script. There’s nothing wrong with “out there” if it’s a good movie. There’s also nothing wrong with being derivative, as long as it’s not *direct plagiarism* of what’s come before to the extent that something is essentially a remake. I mean, Jesus, at least 40 minutes of TLJ was a direct lift from “Return of the Jedi”. I don’t mind “out there” or “different” – but TLJ *wasn’t* – in fact, it copied so much from ROTJ and ESB that it was just lazy. and to boot. it was just bad. I’ve seen it 3 times now to be sure (once on a bootleg) and it’s just an abysmal film with embarrassingly bad editing, a catastrophically bad script that’s on the level of low parody, a structure that seems literally built to kill any suspense whatsoever, ridiculously bad choices – it’s like a film made by someone who hates Star Wars. I loved the first half of “Force Awakens” before it went to crap in the second half. And there are a handful of moments, if taken out of context, in TLJ, that I enjoyed – but TLJ is simply a lousy film – and the worst SW film since the worst of the prequels. Just one example? After Leia is seen by Poe, etc., FLYING in space after being frozen solid – literally shows herself to have the most powerful force power in the universe – and not a SINGLE question about it from Poe or anyone – to give them – or even give the audience an explanation? No excuse – that’s just a poor script.
read above.
lmao damn dude I’m just on this site out of pure curiosity and lemme tell ya, fans of anything never call themselves “real” fans. you’re just an angry troll
Yeah, by making more money than he did.
Amen brother!
Pablo Hidalgo is annoying
Yeah. I will admit; I was never a fan of his even before TLJ. A lot of that came from seeing his twitter feed and how he continually dismissed Legends fan. Now, to be fair; there are some truly odious fans of Legends out there dogmatic and self-entitled.
But the same could be said about any fan. Either way, as someone who very much liked Legends, faults and all; I couldn’t in good faith support him.
Note; I have no issues with people who prefer the NC. That’s their choice and I won’t judge them. I just wish he and both sides would just tolerate and respect one another. For we are all human at the end of the day. What we like won’t be the same throughout.
And that is fine. The world would be boring if we lived in an echo-chamber when it came to alike tastes.
And Pablo likes so some of Legends. So what’s the difference?
Have never met him so could not possibly comment. I do remember though when he first started working on starwars.com and the great contribution he made during the prequel trilogy years. Over the years I suspect he has done more for fans than most realise.
Blah, Blah, Blah…
I liked TLJ and TFA and am excited about the future of Star Wars overall.
Seriously, am I the only one who thinks that?
You aren’t.
We respect fans like you because you like it and you are not trying to push your opinion on everyone. It’s the critics and several bloggers who are won’t shut up about how great this movie is and psychoanalyzing the fans that don’t like it.
How can you like characters being out of character and totally ruined? Luke would not run like a coward and want to kill Kylo before he’d even done anything. Wake up.
How can you like characters being out of character and totally ruined? Luke would not run like a coward and want to kill Kylo before he’d even done anything. Wake up.
He didn’t want to kill Kylo. He went there to confront him. The idea of killing him was a fleeting thought.
I’d agree the script itself was pure shit no matter the intentions as fleeting or otherwise…
They weren’t? Luke turning to the dark side in Dark Empire was out of character and ruined it.
While I agree that Luke went to the darkside in Empire, it didn’t ruin it for me. The way I look at it, there is a power to the darkside. Luke gains power when he flirts with the darkside in Empire and Return of the Jedi, just like Obi-Wan did when he confronted Maul after Qui-Gonn was killed. I don’t think Yoda was correct when he said, “Forever will it dominate your destiny.”
The way I look at it was that Luke wouldn’t turn for the father he worshiped his entire life, he certainly wouldn’t do it for the Emperor.
More untrue to the character than anything in TLJ
You’re in the majority, but Internet fanboys scream louder than normal everyday moviegoers.
I liked TLJ too, and so did everyone I spoke to about it in person. Of course, I’m getting old now, so I spoke to other old Star Wars fans, and we all happened to like the film. It’s weird, demanding, surprising, and we all like Luke’s Force-projection at the end as his final act, showing a new and staggering mastery of the Force. You’re not the only one.
Sometimes is seems as if some people protest a bit too much – and this makes them look insecure to me. Validation is very important to some, I get it, especially when you’re younger. I’m too old to really care about getting my opinion validated anymore. Everyone’s different, who cares? Too many other things in life are more important. People get hung up on what people think and lose sight of the fact that it’s all just opinions. People have been arguing about what constitutes “good” creative expression for a very long time, with no end to that argument in sight. I just happen enjoy the film, and if I didn’t, I’d just let it go and get on with life. We were all without any Star Wars films for so long until Ep. I anyway, and then again after Ep. III, so I’m just grateful it’s back again, and so far, I like what I see. I give respect to those who didn’t like TLJ but post respectfully and from the heart, always – any other grand-standers, I really don’t care about.
A lot of bloggers are stretching information from the The Art of The Last Jedi and Pablo Hidalgo tweets into Kennedy/Abrama/Johnson Star Wars = Lucas Star Wars.
Lucas walked away from Disney after being informed they didn’t wanted to use his treatments. Lucas even referred to them a “white slavers”.
The information from The Art Of Last Jedi and from Hidalgo’s tweets present vastly different directions taken by Kennedy/Abrams/Johnson.
There is no way in hell Lucas showing Leia using the telepathic aspects of the force is equal to Kathleen Kennedy ordering Johnson to include Leia’s force scene in VIII: which was flying through space!
I highly doubt we would see an extended Luke Skywalker: Viagra Commercial we got from Kennedy/Abrams/Johnson in VIII either.
Kathleen Kennedy ordered RJ to include Leia Poppins? Based on what, the Screen Rant pitch parody?
A little backlash from TLJ and all of a sudden, “we used George’s outline the whole time.”
The Disney PR team are top notch for sure!
Except most of this information comes from The Art of The Force Awakens and The Art of The Last Jedi, both of which were written long before the backlash.
yes, but no one knows what his outline was(except KK and GL) and no one wanted to mention all of this was based on his outline before now.
You should check the sources and publication dates.
Ok, so the art may have been. Just funny that they want to bring it all to light now. I mean, why all of a sudden?
They’re trying to blame Lucas for a trilogy that’s turning out to be divisive, while at the same time projecting that their totally new trilogy without his ideas will be better.
See, this is why I am struggling to engage with you at times. A basic lack of understanding of what is happening here.
They aren’t bringing it all out now. This isn’t some official propaganda release.
This is information in a brand new book that a fan on twitter pointed out as a defense against the trolls who don’t know what they are talking about because reading is hard.
And then Pablo chimed in with more info. That’s all. The information is out there and someone on twitter mentioned it.
Nothing funny or weird about that at all. It’s called a conversation. People say things, other people provide evidence in response.
don’t engage…why say shit like that? Makes you come off as a prick.
If you can’t acknowledge the timing of all of this at the very least…then, your blind. Or just choose to see things that meet your views.
don’t engage…why say shit like that? Makes you come off as a prick.
If you can’t acknowledge the timing of all of this at the very least…then, your blind. Or just choose to see things that meet your views.
Because it’s basic understanding of the situation. Thanks for name calling though.
if you can’t comprehend that a random dude on twitter pulled info from books released TWO years ago and this past month (that was planned to be released for months) and not understand WHY that is the timing of all this…
then…you lack understanding of basically anything, man. call me a prick all you want. You can fuck off with that. I don’t take shit from a no nothing nerd. don’t reply to me again.
Because it’s basic understanding of the situation. Thanks for name calling though.
if you can’t comprehend that a random dude on twitter pulled info from books released TWO years ago and this past month (that was planned to be released for months) and not understand WHY that is the timing of all this…
then…you lack understanding of basically anything, man. call me a prick all you want. You can fuck off with that. I don’t take shit from a no nothing nerd. don’t reply to me again.
a no nothing nerd. Yeah, you’d NOT say that in person if you saw me. good bye Mickey mouse cock sucker!
Just curious…what kind of work are you in?
It’s not important to this conversation or any that we will ever have.
it speaks volumes of whom you deal with. money …you work for the mouse!
Yeah, in that light, it is a scumbag move. I liked The last Jedi but LF and Rian Johnson weren’t forced to use Lucas’ ideas. They could have gone their own route. Heck, they should have better planned this ST because seemingly I find it super inconsistent. The OT had a very smiliar issue.
But it had two constants: the characters and the Luke and Vader and to the degree the Emperor. And even if they did have a plan(which I highly doubt), so far it seems really bad. And special pleading at this point is a bad call. Who knows? Maybe, Episode Nine will make this all work. But to be honest; I said the same thing after TFA.
Regardless, it seems like damage control on LF PR’s team.
The EU was too close to his vision. And the fact remains that he approved it all. We need Legends continued as its own canon. Give us Legends!
hahahaha lies! Such sad little lies.
Not really, Lucas still had to give the ok before anything was ever released. And don’t forget about the different levels of canon that were in place to avoid contradiction.
Not really, Lucas still had to give the ok before anything was ever released. And don’t forget about the different levels of canon that were in place to avoid contradiction.
It was just vetoing rights on their IP so that they were not shown in a way that would shed Star Wars or LucasFilm in a bad light or in a light they didn’t agree with. That’s not the same as saying their stories were officially recognized, let alone canon. George never liked the idea of Yslamari, for instance.
It was just vetoing rights on their IP so that they were not shown in a way that would shed Star Wars or LucasFilm in a bad light or in a light they didn’t agree with. That’s not the same as saying their stories were officially recognized, let alone canon. George never liked the idea of Yslamari, for instance.
He was very aware, and used many, many parts of the EU. It is also true that there were aspects that he did not like as you mention.
They were considered a level of canon as was everything else. Look up canon levels during the time period.
That’s false. He sometimes approved things, but not everything. And he eventually asked to stop getting the memos asking for approval because he didn’t care. And the memos were short lists of bulletpoints that he could quickly go over. And he never read a single book.
The different levels of canon were an internal thing that wasn’t meant to be used by fans.
And it was dumb anyway because there is no such thing as levels of canon.
If you have levels of canon and you say the movies are the top level, then, at the end of the day, ONLY THE MOVIES ARE CANON. Because everything else is secondary to it.
Deal with it….the canon existed. At different levels for many reasons. I never said he read any of it. But he sure pulled plenty from it, right?
You ignore facts when they don’t skew to your views.
I don’t have to deal with it because it didn’t. He did use some of it, yes. And when he wrote his movies and TV shows, HE IGNORED ALL OF IT.
I know the facts and I ignore nothing. You sure do, though, huh?
He destroyed Boba Fett’s origins in the PT. That ring a bell? That little fact you ignore???
Nope….acknowledged many characters and backgrounds. but I’m done with you!
Is it still canon that Han Solo was an Imp Officer who freed Chewie, or is that gone too? Serious Question
Prior to the film’s release it was good PR to say that Rian Johnson had great freedom in crafting the story, now it’s convenient to say the opposite. With good PR all things are true. It’s fine for Star Wars films to end with Lucas, that’s what happens with art. Tribute bands can still be interesting, it’s just that you’re now also pitching to Bob Iger (or similar 3rd party).
Or, people still don’t understand what that means.
Or, people still don’t understand what that means.
He did have freedom, and he chose to incorporate a lot of Lucas’s ideas.
Then thats the real problem isn’t it?
No one at Disney/Lucasfilm had the balls to say “Whoa, hold on here, this script doesn’t flow, contradicts everything that came before, and destroys everything set-up in the first film”
Just cut and paste masters LOL
History repeats and Last Jedi is going down as a tie for worst Star Wars movie ever with Phantom Menace
“History repeats and Last Jedi is going down as a tie for worst Star Wars movie ever with Phantom Menace”
Only amongst the “true fans” who used to say that George Lucas raped their childhoods. These are the people who spam Rotten Tomatoes with angry reviews and IMDb with “0/10” votes.
Agreed.
Bloggers and Tweeters are stretching Lucas’ idea of a reluctant Luke taking on new padawan into Kennedy/Abrams/Johnson’s low energy, low test Luke who got beat up by a teenage girl.
Trust me, Lucas definitely had more of a plan for Luke than simply exiling himself to get away from everyone. Hamill has pretty much said as much before Disney told him to knock it off if he wants to be a Force ghost in Episode IX.
Classic jedi deflection techniques for a horrible movie. Visually stunning, but intellectually mind numbing. “…These aren’t the droids you’re looking for.”
man, I got tired just looking at how much you posted…let alone read it….lol
lol I got tired looking at all the hating posts. So I decided to respond with just one. My one is far less than all the haterz put together
lol…hate is a strong word. I strongly dislike TLJ
Oh, but it’s a wonderfully appropriate word…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku8lCAJbUwE
The simple fact is that this movie is going to do about 700 MILLION DOLLARS less business than TFA did worldwide. That is about HALF A BILLION DOLLARS LESS than Disney’s expectations for the movie. It’s not just “a few Star Wars fans” rejecting this movie. Repeat viewing are way down across the board, and is currently bombing in China where Disney hopes they could grow the franchise. It will gross less than half of TFA in China.
TFA over grossed – TLJ will do over 1.3 billion & sit in the top 10 of all time & no 5 domestic – I hope your posting on other forums about sequels dropping off to the original – did you post to Disney the Age of Ultron dropped $164 million domestic compared to the first one ?
Interesting comparison. By all accounts AoU was much less well received by fans and critics than the first Avengers film.
Interesting that you would bring up Age Of Ultron. Age of Ultron worldwide was only about $150 million less worldwide compared to the first Avengers film. That’s really the best comparison for Star Wars since it is on ongoing, long term franchise.
The Last Jedi is going to do $700 MILLION less than The Force Awakens. That is DRASTIC underperformance, and a major problem for the franchise moving forward. Add in that it is tanking in China where they heavily invested in trying to grow the audience for Star Wars, and the news is bad all around
Exactly take into account that the disney/theater split is 65/35 and a 4 week run guarantee and you begin to see why Disney is sweating big time. Everybody screams 1.2 billion but thats not what disney takes home. Remember The Last Jedi has a 800 million dollar break even point, are they even there yet?
Plus a 400 million dollars and rising price tag for Solo, when it is finally released you can bet disney wont get such a favorable box office split again
Two take aways from the bad China box office:
1. Ryan Johnson is done with Star Wars
2. Kathleen Kennedy better have a good Karma count, when Bob Igor calls her in to explain this
Exactly take into account that the disney/theater split is 65/35 and a 4 week run guarantee and you begin to see why Disney is sweating big time. Everybody screams 1.2 billion but thats not what disney takes home. Remember The Last Jedi has a 800 million dollar break even point, are they even there yet?
Plus a 400 million dollars and rising price tag for Solo, when it is finally released you can bet disney wont get such a favorable box office split again
Two take aways from the bad China box office:
1. Ryan Johnson is done with Star Wars
2. Kathleen Kennedy better have a good Karma count, when Bob Igor calls her in to explain this
They told me it was Bob “eeeee-gore”?
Again Star wars jackasses all over the commentary section. Why are the jacassaes so noisy, they are 1%, but wont stop whinning
Since the sale to Disney, Disney has done their very best to distance themselves from all things Lucas. The Prequels were so toxic in some people’s minds, that most applauded the idea of getting Star Wars away from Lucas, and producing “retro” films to give the fans what they want.
Now that fans are unhappy with the direction of the franchise, they want to blame George Lucas. Screw Disney.
I can guarantee you, if the film was a huge success and everyone loved it, no one would be looking to share credit with George Lucas.
So, does every single post on here now have to end up in a childish slanging match over TLJ ? The level of immaturity and viciousness on here recently is hugely depressing. It’s just a movie, some people like it, some people don’t. Move on.
Pablo is talking out his ass again, spinning damage control. How in the hell do you call a femme fatale seductress assassin the inspiration for Kylo Ren, an Anakin ripoff done poorly. What they ended up with was a copy of A New Hope/ESB/Return of the Jedi. So in that sense, they used A New Hope, not Lucas’ new treatments for inspiration.