UPDATE! Star Wars: The Last Jedi Gets “A” CinemaScore As It Tops $100M Domestically

Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi had a pretty great opening night at the box office, and in spite of what the easily-manipulated user scores on aggregate sites like Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic would tell you, it sounds like audiences were in love with the film.

 

According to Deadline‘s estimates, The Last Jedi has become the second film in the history of the domestic box office to make over $100M in a single day (provided, of course, that you count Thursday night previews, which are lumped into that figure), squeezing by at an estimated $100.4M. The only other film to reach those heights is, natch, Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens, which clocked in at $119.1M. As it currently stands, Deadline is expecting The Last Jedi to bring home a total of $208M-$214M before the weekend is over, which is up compared to their earlier $202M-$208M estimate yesterday afternoon. Should the estimations hold true, then the movie will top The Avengers ($207.4M) and Jurassic World ($208.8M) for the coveted spot of second-biggest opening weekend ever – again, right behind The Force Awakens ($247.9M).

 

But the good news doesn’t end there. The Last Jedi has also become the third movie in a row for Disney and Lucasfilm to receive an “A” CinemaScore. CinemaScore utilizes exit polling from audiences on opening night in order to gauge what people think of the movies they’ve just seen. While the figures are usually inflated to some degree (since all three Prequel Trilogy films got “A-” ratings, and The Clone Wars pilot film – which wasn’t the best representation of the series it kicked off – managed to make off with a “B-“), an “A” is always a good sign for the movie’s word-of-mouth. When coupled with the financial news about the movie, it should be smooth sailing for The Last Jedi to become one of the year’s biggest hits in record time.

 

UPDATE!

 

Deadline‘s article are now painting an even rosier picture for Disney and Lucasfilm than earlier, as projections are now looking at a $104M-$105M single-day gross with a per-theater average of $52K. Meanwhile, BoxOfficeMojo is settling on a $104.787M single-day estimate for the time being. With the movie performing to the high end of expectations, it’s believed that the movie will earn $216M-$220M before the weekend is over. Deadline‘s analysts are predicting that by the time The Last Jedi has checked out of the box office in the United States and Canada, the film will have made as much as $750M for the third-highest-grossing movie in these markets ever. Incidentally, this puts it right behind Avatar‘s second-place $760M domestic haul. Good thing that Disney just bought 21st Century Fox!

 

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Grant has been a fan of Star Wars for as long as he can remember, having seen every movie on the big screen. When he’s not hard at work with his college studies, he keeps himself busy by reporting on all kinds of Star Wars news for SWNN and general movie news on the sister site, Movie News Net. He served as a frequent commentator on SWNN’s The Resistance Broadcast.

Grant Davis (Pomojema)

Grant has been a fan of Star Wars for as long as he can remember, having seen every movie on the big screen. When he’s not hard at work with his college studies, he keeps himself busy by reporting on all kinds of Star Wars news for SWNN and general movie news on the sister site, Movie News Net. He served as a frequent commentator on SWNN’s The Resistance Broadcast.

491 thoughts on “UPDATE! Star Wars: The Last Jedi Gets “A” CinemaScore As It Tops $100M Domestically

  • December 16, 2017 at 7:42 pm
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    Easily manipulated? No. A lot of us just didn’t like the film. Coincidentally, it seems everyone who was invited to a corporate preview screening loved it. A lot of die hard fans are very disappointed and feel very strongly about it. Respect their opinions if you’re going to consider yourself a legitimate star wars news site.

    • December 16, 2017 at 7:49 pm
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      Good point.

    • December 16, 2017 at 9:19 pm
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      Yes, both sides of the divided fan base need to respect each other’s opinions. But I wouldn’t necessarily say, ‘a lot’ when referring to those that don’t like it.

    • December 16, 2017 at 9:25 pm
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      I’m a die hard fan, but I also enjoyed most of the film, and I saw it Thursday as many of others have…the issue with many of the aggregate voting sites is that there are people that vote multiple times, and go to places like 4chan and Reddit to form up voting brigades against films (some people vote who haven’t even seen it). Cinemascore is based 100% on single viewer responses straight from the theater as they come out. With that, the majority have said they like it and give it an A…

      Now, was the film perfect? Absolutely not! Leia, Canto Bight, Phasma, etc….are low points for me, as I am sure it is with others. But there were some spectacular highs in it as well…I promised no major spoiler talk till Sunday and I’m sticking with that…I’ll post more thoughts Sunday after I see it a second time. Many are going back and doing just that, and are coming out liking it. No saying that will happen with everyone, but perhaps we should give it a try, instead of one and done…Heck, I watched Episode II 4 times before labeling it the worst. 🙂

    • December 16, 2017 at 9:29 pm
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      I am the die hardest fan and I loved it.

    • December 16, 2017 at 9:35 pm
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      Re: “A lot of die hard fans are very disappointed and feel very strongly about it”

      Or another way to put that –
      A lot of die hard fans loved the movie. It’s as divisive as The Force Awakens.

    • December 16, 2017 at 7:48 pm
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      I suspect we’re witnessing the effects of a media conglomerate on, of all the things, the media. Glad to see I’m not alone.

      • December 16, 2017 at 9:29 pm
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        lolololol

      • December 16, 2017 at 9:29 pm
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        lolololol

    • December 16, 2017 at 8:13 pm
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      We heard all this before with the release of The Force Awakens.

    • December 16, 2017 at 8:49 pm
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      All the comments are pointless. Seriously.

  • December 16, 2017 at 7:50 pm
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    Still can’t make up my mind, loved a good deal of it, the opening battle, Snokes throne room, Luke, but the more I think about it some of it was just awful. Flying space Leia was Jar Jar bad.

    • December 16, 2017 at 8:12 pm
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      I thought that Leia scene was simply beautiful. Especially since we lost our princess in real life.

      I really didn’t find it that far fetched (in a SW context), if you compare it to the likes of Yoda raising Luke’s X-Wing.

      • December 16, 2017 at 8:37 pm
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        I was with it until she woke up in space, I thought they were killing her off and I thought it worked well, then she flew back.

      • December 17, 2017 at 7:39 am
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        Agreed. That scene was a magical mindfuck.

  • December 16, 2017 at 8:11 pm
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    Newsflash: People actually like TLJ when they’re not being blinded by illogical fanboyism.

    What a surprise.

    • December 16, 2017 at 11:19 pm
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      TUD, you enjoyed the film… that’s great and you’re very lucky to feel that way. Unfortunately, others didn’t, and if they’re not instigating any trouble towards you, I’d kindly ask that you don’t talk down to them a la your comment above.

      I didn’t chose, nor expect, nor desire to find myself on the opposite end of the spectrum, but here I am. I actually felt physical revulsion from this movie. If I could hit a magic button to remember it differently, I would — but instead I’m contemplating a visit to Lacuna Labs to have 12/14/17 wiped from my memory — I hated it that fucking much.

      It has nothing to do with unexpected plot twists, risk-taking, fanboy expectations, or any of the other justifications for downplaying the criticism — it all comes down to tone (for me at least). The tone of this film was so childish, cartoonish, two-dimensional, and shallow — I simply couldn’t immerse myself in any of it, which is a brand new experience for me. I’ve never ruled out a second viewing of a Star Wars film before (even the prequels), but instead I refunded all my future reservations, and can’t imagine ever sitting through it again, even at home. If you told me this a week ago, I wouldn’t believe it.

      Two years ago, I fell in love with the new characters, yet this time I feel absolutely nothing towards them at all. I wanted to feel something… believe me.

      Let me ask you respectfully and in all seriousness, can you at least understand or empathize with why so many disappointed fans are left feeling so bewildered?

      • December 16, 2017 at 11:58 pm
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        “I actually felt physical revulsion from this movie.”

        Get that checked out. No normal human being is as melodramatic as you. There was no overall issue with the tone of the movie, which was mature (but not in a dark way), honest, fun, dark when it needed to be, and urgent in a way that I haven’t felt since ESB. It’s alright to have personal issues with a movie, or to say that you would rather have done something differently. But most of the criticism I see of this movie (outside of some plot complications/issues near the middle) mostly stem from fans not liking that their own personal Star Wars fan fic wasn’t playing out on screen. People claim to want an original Star Wars film, but they don’t; they want safe, familiar re-tellings of the OT, and that’s all they will ever be satisfied with. Lucasfilm is in a lose/lose situation when it comes to the un-pleasable Star Wars fanboys. At least general audiences are appreciating this fantastic movie. TFA was the movie we deserve, but TLJ is the movie we need.

        • December 17, 2017 at 12:13 am
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          Film buffs feel things — I’m not into melodrama, but I genuinely felt queasy — chalk it up to emotional investment. But hey, thanks for being a disrespectful smartass once again. What’s that all about?

          I don’t fall into the personal fan fic / high expectation category that you brought up in your reply. As I said above — it comes down to tone. Again, while not asking you to shit on the film in any way, can you not see how the constant slapstick tone of this film would be off-putting to someone accustomed to a immersive, realistic-feeling franchise? You don’t have to answer, especially if you feel the childish need to get personal, but I am curious.

          • December 17, 2017 at 12:42 am
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            I’ve become physically ill since seeing the movie as well. I know TLJ didn’t give me pneumonia but I feel like it broke my spirit lol This coming from a pretty hardcore fanboy that enjoyed TFA quite a bit. First Star Wars movie I’ve ever walked out of disappointed (that includes the awful prequels, at least those were fun).

          • December 17, 2017 at 12:44 am
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            See ya at the doctor’s office. Let’s split a bottle of Pepto some time. 😉

          • December 17, 2017 at 12:52 am
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            agree completely, all the quiet murmers of ” I dont get it, how could they screw it up” as I was walking out. I’m not alone in wanting to like it, but didn’t. I’ve waited 35 years to see Jedi Master Skywalker in action, and this is what they feed us.
            This will make a shit ton of money, be called a success, and rank high on all movie sights but I will not change my opinion

          • December 17, 2017 at 4:12 am
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            (all the quiet murmers of ” I dont get it, how could they screw it up” as I was walking out.)

            This is EXACTLY what I experienced. Our theater was dead silence when the credits rolled. I think we were all in shock about how bad it was. Everyone hung their heads and walked to the parking lot dumbfounded. It was a Star Wars walk-of-shame. 🙁

          • December 17, 2017 at 6:16 am
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            I watched the movie twice now, and both showings were filled with the electricity of excitement. The crowd laughed, cheered, clapped, and both ended with rousing applause.

          • December 17, 2017 at 6:16 am
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            I watched the movie twice now, and both showings were filled with the electricity of excitement. The crowd laughed, cheered, clapped, and both ended with rousing applause.

          • December 17, 2017 at 6:19 am
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            Also… as to the point on seeing Jedi Master Skywalker in action… this was one of the most perfect parts of the movie, and both crowds I saw it with absolutely lost it with child-like amazement at the reveal.

            How could you possibly be disappointed with one of the most awesome displays of Force powers ever put to screen?

          • December 17, 2017 at 6:19 pm
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            Exactly! ^

          • December 17, 2017 at 6:19 pm
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            Exactly! ^

          • December 17, 2017 at 6:19 pm
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            Most people clapped in my theatre. And laughed during the film. And cheered at parts.

            Shrug.

          • December 17, 2017 at 6:18 pm
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            See…that’s the problem right there. “I’ve waited 35 years to see Jedi master skywalker in action”

            Luke pulls off the most amazing Jedi trick we’ve ever seen…but it’s not what you wanted. Not what you expected.

            Shrug.

          • December 17, 2017 at 6:52 pm
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            Exactly. Luke is both immensely powerful and (at least in the end) incredibly heroic. But it wasn’t exactly what the fans have envisioned since 1983, so it can’t POSSIBLY be good.

          • December 17, 2017 at 8:29 am
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            “fanboy”, that explains a lot, but at least you admit being one of them.

          • December 17, 2017 at 1:51 am
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            The tone of this film is not remotely “constant slapstick”, and I would expect a “film buff” such as yourself to know that. Either you didn’t watch the same movie that all other general audiences did, or you went into this film determined to only recognize the few flaws/wacky moments sprinkled throughout. If watching a good movie makes you queasy, you need to get a hobby.

          • December 17, 2017 at 1:53 am
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            Shilly TUD, personal attacks are for kids.

          • December 17, 2017 at 8:28 am
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            Personal attacks? Toughen up pal, you are incredibly immature and/or weak if you are upset by his comment so much as to call it a “personal attack”.

          • December 17, 2017 at 2:22 pm
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            How can I possibly be upset by a stranger acting out in an Internet forum? Come on, guy.

            There are plenty of lovely people capable of staying on topic here. If someone shows their true colors, it’s very easy to laugh at it, check out, and move on.

            (It’ll only get awkward if you or the other guy have me as your Secret Santa at this year’s SWNN Forum Christmas party.)

          • December 17, 2017 at 6:12 pm
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            Well now I disagree. There was slapstick. Or at least borderline slapstick. There was ALMOST guardians of the galaxy-ragnarok like humor (which I personally kind of hate, I really don’t like smart assed everyone talking like tony stark ironic nonsense).
            That style of humor, and its frequency was the thing about this movie I least enjoyed. But I’ll get over it. I hope.i hope that I’ll see the jokes as being true to character. First viewing it felt like jokes. Not honest character moments.

          • December 17, 2017 at 6:17 pm
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            There was one scene in which BB-8 fires coins at someone, and one scene in which Poe does a prank call. Unless I’m forgetting something huge, there is no “slapstick” in this movie to be found. I think some people don’t know what “slapstick” means. Jar-Jar is slapstick, and bad slapstick at that. TLJ is not slapstick. Not even close.

          • December 17, 2017 at 6:08 pm
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            I do agree that the tone could be goofy, and it threw me a bit too. in fact tonally it felt borderline prequely.

            BUT!

            is that a bad thing?

            So many things about this film split me. But overall I wonder if this was necessary.

            The more i think about it, Its tone bridges all the movies, unites them in a way. It was so unexpected, so original but also familiar in tone to things we’ve seen (perhaps forgotten?) before.

            I really bet you’ll feel differently seeing this again. Especially after watching the first 6 in order.

        • December 17, 2017 at 6:00 pm
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          Reminds me of a coffee study.

          People were asked, how do you like your coffee?

          Most common Answer: rich and dark.

          BUT! When taste tested the same people ACTUALLY liked their coffee: weak, sweet and milky.

          Real Coffee was considered strong and bitter.

          “Know thyself”.

      • December 17, 2017 at 1:30 am
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        So many interesting characters got ruined. Luke, Snoke, Leia Poppins, Mary Rey, Finn, Hux, Phasma, Ackbar … None of these characters got better in TLJ. And where were the Knights of Ren?

        No, RJ thought it was more interesting to give us a lecture about PETA and the 1%. Who cares about Luke and Snoke, when you got Rose, cute Porgs (aka Star Wars Minions), Hunger Games Holdo and a stuttering hacker, am I right? Soo many weak characters and storylines in this movie. After TFA I wanted to know what would happen with Rey, Finn, Luke, Kylo, and Snoke. Now, I don’t care anymore.

      • December 17, 2017 at 4:40 am
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        I understand that many people don’t like it. But reading through the internet hate, it’s clear that the hate comes from precisely the things you’re saying it doesn’t. Also, Star Wars has a lot of dumb fans.

        • December 17, 2017 at 2:39 pm
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          I’m only talking from my own perspective.

          • December 17, 2017 at 3:08 pm
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            That’s fair. You had originally asked if we could understand the perspective of others, so I was making a statement about general “others.” I’ve. Seen a few comments that echo yours, but dozens who fall into the “it wasn’t what I demanded” category.

      • December 17, 2017 at 9:20 am
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        You need help. The TLJ wasn’t the least bit childish. It definitely a masterpiece intentionally designed to divide the fan base. You think Lucasfilm doesn’t know what they’re doing? Silly boy!

        • December 17, 2017 at 2:42 pm
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          You think Han Solo is coming back to save the day in episode IX, but I need help.

          I love you so damn much.

      • December 17, 2017 at 5:55 pm
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        Put simply: This film was not made for you.

        It was made for the young, and the young at heart. Every kid I know loved it. My 6 1/2 year old son screamed at the end “that was a great movie!!”

        Not all of it worked for me, the humor, some plot and pacing…but the main character developments, Luke, Rey, ren?: perfect. Just perfect. And totally logical. Once you free yourself of preconcieved ideas.

        Your “physical repulsion” (which, by the way, PERFECTLY illustrates TUDs assertion about “illogical fanboys) is, I would argue, a result of Rian Johnson defying all of your expectations.

        I kind of love all the hate it’s getting from “fans”. Star Wars needed a shake up. Kill the past.

        I’m a fan. I was there in 77-80-83. Star Wars was my childhood.

        I love what Rian did. TLJ did what no star Wars film has ever really done: it surprised me.

        And though the film may have flaws (even plot and tonal flaws) I feel that this film, like no other Star Wars film, will convert haters with repeated viewings.

        • December 17, 2017 at 6:39 pm
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          I agree with your first line. As for your take on me — you’ve got me wrong, but that’s okay.

          My expectations were on the level — not high and not low. I knew a handful of the plot points going in — I was okay with many of them in theory, especially Luke’s rejection of dogmatism. However, my visceral reaction had little to do with the story on paper — it was first and foremost the execution that floored me. The opening scene felt like a Robot Chicken sketch, and then the same silly beats repeated themselves right up until the Tomorrowland-ish final scene.

          As I initially expressed to TUD — if you liked the film, I’m happy for you and your son… seriously, and I mean that. But it frustrated me to high hell, and that’s beyond my control. With 4, 5, 6, and 7 being made for me, having 8 outside my wheelhouse just plain sucks.

          I loved TFA, and while it had a vocal minority of criticism that I didn’t share, I can still put myself in their shoes and at least see why they felt the way they did to some degree. I’m sure many of them wanted to like it, yet had as much control over their personal tastes as a kid who hates brussel sprouts. I was capable of having discussions with the detractors without resorting to insults, which by-the way, don’t get under my skin — they’re just boring and unproductive to someone trying to have a civil discourse. I don’t want to see a division of fans going for each other’s jugulars.

    • December 17, 2017 at 2:58 am
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      The Fanboyism have got on the band wagon & think it’s cool to bash a movie that’s so highly rated by critics…

      • December 17, 2017 at 6:19 am
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        But you can’t argue with an individual’s emotional response. I went into TLJ with high expectations and genuinely enjoyed many aspects of the film… but when the credits rolled all I could feel was sadness, not anger. I never expected to leave a Star Wars film feeling depressed and heartbroken. I believe many people feel the same. I was genuinely shocked I felt that way. On my 2nd viewing I had the same response. It’s not hating… it’s just disappointment, sadness and grief.

      • December 17, 2017 at 7:33 am
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        Yep.

      • December 17, 2017 at 4:15 pm
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        My concern is that critics weren’t watching the same movie as I did.

        • December 18, 2017 at 1:42 am
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          You talking about the parallel universe – where the Critics & general audience saw an epic & well crafted SW movie & in the other universe the Haters saw THE LAST KNIGHT….

    • December 17, 2017 at 5:55 am
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      Fanboys already had their fan service movie. It was called Rogue One. Now they are hating on this movie because it took a character that they idolized as a perfect superhero and had the audacity to make him shockingly human. To these people, its’s like changing the Bible to a religious person. You’re not going to get away with it without a shitstorm of rage.

      • December 17, 2017 at 7:32 am
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        You hit the nail on the head. Acknowledging that Luke is a flawed (but still good) hero is enough to send the fanbois reeling. He’s not the amazing, perfect, slightly bland EU Luke, therefore he’s bad.

        • December 17, 2017 at 9:16 am
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          Fanboy is the wrong term. I’m a Fanboy since 1977 and loved TLJ!

      • December 17, 2017 at 2:33 pm
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        So by fanservice you mean a film with a compelling narrative and a logical plot? TLJ has neither.

        • December 17, 2017 at 5:43 pm
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          Nonsense.

          Illogical plot?
          Ok. Sure. But Name a Star Wars film with a “logical” plot. (And tell you exactly how it’s not).
          Compelling narrative?
          Thats opinion. Either you felt it compelling, or you didn’t.
          You can’t say it did not have compelling narrative. You can only state your personal reaction. Your opinion is not fact.
          Plenty of people found this film compelling. Your opinion does not in any way negate or invalidate that.

      • December 17, 2017 at 10:14 pm
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        The film in itself is showing that even legends can fail. It’s a concept that was represented beautifully.

        • December 17, 2017 at 10:44 pm
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          I agree. But in the end, Luke still rises up and saves the day, and I love that.

          • December 17, 2017 at 11:06 pm
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            Exactly. The beacon of hope the resistance/rebellion needed.

          • December 17, 2017 at 11:44 pm
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            Yep yep yep. I don’t know why so many people refuse to acknowledge that.

    • December 17, 2017 at 8:19 am
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      Thank you thank you thank you, it’s incredibly refreshing and satisfying to know there are people here who are rational, mature and intelligent enough to understand and truly appreciate great, nuanced storytelling and excellent character development, it’s just unfortunate that the voice or opinion of reasonable people such as yourself is so often drowned out by the raging and screaming of ignorant fanboys and idiots on YouTube etc.

      • December 17, 2017 at 5:06 pm
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        Thanks, same to you.

        • December 18, 2017 at 1:39 am
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          Dude he nailed it…..

  • December 16, 2017 at 9:11 pm
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    C’mon SWNN, this film is highly devisive, I’m not sure why you seem intent on putting a positive spin on its reception amongst the general population.

    I’m sure the rotten tomatoes score can be manipulated – but that doesn’t mean it actually is. Sometimes things genuinely are as they seem.

    I’ve read a lot of comments on this website and many others and there’s a lot of dissapointment being expressed, that doesn’t mean it’s universal, but any love for the film is also far from universal too.

    • December 16, 2017 at 9:29 pm
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      So how is it getting 8/10 on IMDB? They do the exact same thing!!

      • December 16, 2017 at 9:35 pm
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        Presumably the same way way it’s getting it’s scores on other metrics? Which is “accurate”? which is “manipulated”?

        Ultimately history will be the judge.

        • December 16, 2017 at 9:40 pm
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          The truth is that both Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB cannot accurately predict fan insight in films. Cinemascore goes by people as they leave the theater and get their first thoughts…no multiple votes, no vote brigades…straight first opinions. It got an A. As I said below, there are parts I did not like about this movie…the problem is a lot of people are pulling one and done, deeming this a disaster. You are right, history will be the judge.

          • December 16, 2017 at 11:29 pm
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            why would there be a vote brigade against this? everyone was looking forward to it, everyone loves rian johnson. its not like this is a DC film where you can make the tinfoil argument that marvel fans are sabotaging it.

          • December 17, 2017 at 7:38 am
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            Because fanbois are angry that Luke didn’t kick enough ass, in addition to plenty of other stupid criticisms. The immaturity of Internet users knows no end; vote brigades are not remotely out of the realm of possibility.

          • December 17, 2017 at 1:35 pm
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            It’s those damned Trekkies I tell ya.

      • December 17, 2017 at 4:14 pm
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        I looked at IMBD, read the user reviews and saw something totally different to what it looked like. There are hardly any positive user reviews of this movie.

  • December 16, 2017 at 10:24 pm
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    I can’t understand how so many ‘fans’ loved Last Jedi. At the same time, I don’t completely understand why it turned me off so much. I would love to be convinced that it was great film. Seriously – someone convince me… It pains me to hate a Star Wars movie so much.

    • December 17, 2017 at 12:43 am
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      I’m in the same boat, I’ve asked several of my friends today to tell me everything they liked about it. I WANT TO BELIEVE.

    • December 17, 2017 at 12:43 am
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      I’m in the same boat, I’ve asked several of my friends today to tell me everything they liked about it. I WANT TO BELIEVE.

    • December 17, 2017 at 6:14 am
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      I feel your pain. I truly want to love this film… but I just can’t. The problem I have is that I did not enjoy watching my favourite OT heroes being turned into sad, pathetic, guilt-ridden relics whose lives ended having all their accomplishments destroyed… that’s not escapism. I have never left a Star Wars movie feeling as dejected and heartbroken.

      • December 17, 2017 at 7:18 am
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        I don’t completely hate it. I agree they have totally turned the OT characters into depressive shells of themselves. It was so unnecessary. They could have easily had the First Order wipe out the New Republic and had some of them either die defending it or help the new generation form a resistance. Instead we get beaten down heros with no offspring to carry on the family name. A character doesn’t have to be broken to create drama.

        • December 17, 2017 at 7:25 am
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          Exactly. I honestly would have preferred to have seen the OT heroes die heriocally in Episode VII and let the new characters (who I do genuinely like) carry on the story. But as you say instead we get beaten down heroes and the end of the Skywalker name. 🙁

  • December 16, 2017 at 11:24 pm
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    “easily manipulated”? lets break this down:
    1. its over 80k votes on RT, thats a huge sample size and unless putin really hates star wars, there is no reason to think sabotage.
    2. the previous two films are both in the 80s, why is this one singled out if its so universally loved?
    3. the prequels also got high scores on cinemascore because it gets people right out the theater on opening night before people have a chance to digest it.

    like it or not but this film is not the “generational unifying masterpiece” you guys want it to be.

    • December 16, 2017 at 11:44 pm
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      Trust me Disney is paying attention.

        • December 17, 2017 at 12:25 am
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          What about the 2nd 3rd 4th weekend? How will the backlash effect episode 9 opening weekend?

          • December 17, 2017 at 1:11 am
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            a little early to talk about 9, i am curious if this will effect han solo though.

          • December 17, 2017 at 1:17 am
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            I did notice during the trailers that Avengers is scheduled for release two weeks before Solo. Do you think it was a deliberate decision that now gives them an “out” to reschedule later in the year. Maybe they were waiting to see how Last Jedi was received by the fans and general audience.

          • December 17, 2017 at 1:22 am
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            idk. but it is weird that its only six months away and we haven’t seen anything for it yet.

          • December 17, 2017 at 5:43 am
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            It’s even closer than that. Only 5 months away! Yahoo!!!

          • December 17, 2017 at 1:33 pm
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            I suspect that will change very shortly!

          • December 17, 2017 at 7:02 pm
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            They probably figure that by the time Solo rolls around, Avengers 3 will have made the bulk of its money anyway.

          • December 17, 2017 at 7:36 am
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            There won’t be a backlash, because the general audience response has been fantastic. In fact, the day-to-day legs throughout opening weekend have actually been STRONGER than those of TFA. Sorry, but TLJ will easily be in the Top 5 highest grossing films of all time.

          • December 17, 2017 at 6:53 pm
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            Too much tin-foil hat talk on these boards.

          • December 17, 2017 at 7:01 pm
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            Agreed. Anyone expecting this film to fail will be sorely disappointed.

          • December 17, 2017 at 4:12 pm
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            Disney will manage the hype. In early ‘19 we’ll get some badass teaser that’ll diverge greatly from the movie that’s eventually released.

          • December 17, 2017 at 5:30 pm
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            I’m sure they’ll add a 2 second flashback scene just so they can justify putting Luke Han and Leia on all the advertising and trailers.

    • December 17, 2017 at 1:30 pm
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      “unless putin really hates star wars, there is no reason to think sabotage” LOL

    • December 17, 2017 at 8:06 am
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      Ah yes, because a score generated by mostly idiotic, immature and hateful reviews has always been a completely accurate reflection of how good or bad a movie is.

      • December 17, 2017 at 8:14 am
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        I assume they are just as accurate as idiotic, immature and hateful assumptive opinions about reviews.

        • December 17, 2017 at 8:43 am
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          Twisting another writers’s sentence in a useless attempt to remove all logical rhetoric and to then have the audacity to try and turn it back towards said writer makes absolutely no sense on any level whatsoever.

          In future, try forming a realistic and educated opinion rather than uttering total nonsense.

  • December 17, 2017 at 12:55 am
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    I don’t doubt that most people liked or even loved the movie. But there can be no doubt that a large minority truly hated it, and are so angry that they are now venting online. That makes for a skewed sample, but there is no need for conspiracy theories. In the end, we will see whether disappointed fans are willing to see the movie several times or not. We will know in a couple of weeks, but I wouldn’t be surprised if TLJ is not nearly as successful as TFA.

    • December 17, 2017 at 12:59 am
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      do you if there is any way to tell how many have refunded their second or third showings? I cancelled my second showing. I bought them both at the same time, but staggered the dates. Canceled when I got home from the first showing

      • December 17, 2017 at 1:06 am
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        No, there isn’t. And from a polling point of view, Cinemascore’s methodology isn’t great, which is why lot of A-rated movies were not as commercially as successful as the studios hoped they would be. In the end, box office results are the only true test of a movie’s popularity.

        I had planned to go with my family this weekend and we decided not to see it. And I also won’t see it again myself. But we won’t know until after a couple of weeks whether there has been a fan backlash. The bleating of the shills, however, suggests that Disney is worried, which is why we are now discussing Cinemascore, a site only industry insiders had heard about before.

        • December 17, 2017 at 6:47 pm
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          “In the end, box office results are the only true test of a movie’s popularity.”
          Well TLJ s primed to be in the Top 5 ighest grossing films of all time, so we’ll see, won’t we?

          “Cinemascore’s methodology isn’t great”
          But RT’s audience score methodology, which lets people set up fake accounts and vote without seeing the movie, is perfectly fine. Right?

          “The bleating of the shills, however, suggests that Disney is worried”
          Nothing suggests that anyone is worried. These “shills” are people who had a different opinion than you, genius. And we’re in the majority.

          “which is why we are now discussing Cinemascore, a site only industry insiders had heard about before.”
          That’s just false. Deadline and Forbes talk about Cinemascore all the time, and their articles get plenty of attention,. Maybe YOU hadn’t head about Cinemascore, but that’s just your own ignorance. Speak for yourself.

      • December 17, 2017 at 1:30 am
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        Here’s one way — start a list right here and put my name on it.

    • December 17, 2017 at 7:38 am
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      “but I wouldn’t be surprised if TLJ is not nearly as successful as TFA.”

      It was never going to be. Same with ESB vs ANH and AotC vs TPM

  • December 17, 2017 at 1:01 am
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    Just home from my first viewing of The Last Jedi. I didn’t hate the film but came out feeling a little flat and disappointed. I had no problem with the shift from old to new characters by the end of the film – that was necessary going forward. Also generally enjoyed the Rey-Kylo relationship and Luke’s character throughout the film. The character of Poe Dameron was fleshed out better than his one dimensional role in TFA.

    On the negative side:

    1) Some of the jokes jarred a little – particularly the early ones with Poe pretending not to know he was speaking to Hux and the ‘throwaway’ lightsabre scene both seemed like they were from a spoof film. The lightsabre one was particularly jarring as it was a scene that had been so anticipated. If he had thrown it to one side it wouldn’t have been so bad.

    2) Mary Poppins/ Superman space Leia was simply awful. Didn’t feel like it belonged in Star Wars at all.

    3) Demise of Admiral Ackbar. Disgraceful that we learnt this much loved character had been destroyed in an explosion as an after-thought.

    4) Canto Bight/Finn/Rose/DJ subplot served no purpose at all. Their mission failed and did not move the story on at all.

    5) Lack of a sequel trilogy story arc. This is the biggest failing. Characters and questions set up in TFA were cast aside without any further development. Snoke and Rey’s parentage in particular (what about the departing spaceship in TFA forceback scene?)

    If Rey isn’t a Skywalker and the main trilogies are about the Skywalker family (according to KK), Kylo Ren either has to redeem himself in IX ( which seems unlikely) or the Skywalker legacy is ultimate failure. My fear is that the sequel trilogy is just being made up as they go along. I certainly don’t feel the same excitement and anticipation that I did at the end of TFA.

    • December 17, 2017 at 2:18 am
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      I agree with everything you’re saying. Leia Poppins was awful. All of a sudden she can fly through space? How convenient.

      Also, Luke never gave up on Vader, one of the most evil men ever in the Galaxy. But when he saw his young nephew Ben, he lost all hope and tried to kill him? Why? Because Snoke had manipulated him? But Vader was also manipulated by the Emperor, and yet, Luke never gave up on him. And it’s not like he couldn’t beat Snoke, because even his weak student Kylo Ren can beat him, apparently. It doesn’t make sense Luke was so afraid of Ben (and Snoke). Even now, after years of training under Snoke, and his alliance with the Knights of Ren, he’s still no match for Mary Rey, so why was Jedi Master Luke so afraid of this kid? How did Kylo Ren get away? That night in his cabin, did he win the lightsaber fight with Luke? Again, that would be so unbelievable, because Kylo Ren is being portrayed as a weak Force user. Even Rey, with no training, beat him in the forest during TFA. Snoke guards were beating him, until Rey saved the day. And the ending on Crait clearly shows us that Luke is still much more powerful than Kylo. It just doesn’t make any sense that Luke was afraid of Ben and Snoke.

      • December 17, 2017 at 3:51 am
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        You missed such a critical part of the movie. Luke didn’t try to kill Ben. He had a passing moment of thinking he could prevent so much evil by just preemptively killing him. It was that brief moment of doubt that convinced Ben to betray Luke and the Jedi and the guilt is what led to Luke’s exile. In the end, he saved the Resistance and did it without fighting. That’s the same Luke that saved Anakin.

        • December 17, 2017 at 11:44 am
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          Of course he tried to kill him. That’s why he’s standing there with his lightsaber. I don’t care that he changed his mind at the last minute, for a brief period of time he was standing there to kill his nephew.

          • December 17, 2017 at 3:16 pm
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            You must have an inhuman control of your emotions if you’ve never had a fleeting thought of committing a violent act before taking a breath and standing down.

          • December 17, 2017 at 6:43 pm
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            Exactly. People want Luke to be a superhero, but he’s not . He’s human in TLJ, and that’s why I love him. Rian Johnson made him very human and imperfect, but still good in he end.

          • December 17, 2017 at 7:57 pm
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            Inhuman control? Because I’ve never wanted to kill anyone? There’s also a difference between having a brief moment of doubt and standing over someone’s bed with a loaded gun/lightsaber.

          • December 17, 2017 at 11:34 pm
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            Luke has his lightsaber on him at all times, obviously. He says IN THE MOVIE, that he had a quick flash of doubt and then quickly pushed those feelings away. You can’t just ignore that.

          • December 18, 2017 at 5:45 am
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            Yes, inhuman control. Ask anyone who’s lost a child to a drunk driver or seen a wife, sister, or daughter raped if they ever had moments of wanting to kill. That’s not attempted murder, that’s a normal, human reaction. Now realize that Star Wars is elevated fantasy and remember the suffering Luke witnessed in his life. He saw it all potentially happening again and had a fleeting thought that it might be better to kill even his own nephew to prevent that. He had the weapon, yes. But he didn’t swing. He definitively did NOT attempt to kill Ben.

          • December 17, 2017 at 6:02 pm
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            Chief John Anderton would’ve haloed Luke for that little stunt for sure.

            (And I would’ve locked him up for the Just For Men dye job on that beard.)

      • December 17, 2017 at 7:28 am
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        He wasn’t afraid of Ben in the sense that Ben could take him in a fight, he was afraid of the fact that the dark side never ceases to exist, despite how hard he tried to keep it away. He did everything he possibly could to keep Ben on the straight and narrow but no matter what he did, he failed. It doesn’t matter that he turned Vader all those years ago. He thought he could do anything but failed. He says as much in the film, he let all of the talk get to his head and he fell short.

        I always thought Luke was incredibly dull as a character until this film. Loved everything he did.

      • December 17, 2017 at 12:23 pm
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        You’re missing the point. He never gave up on Vader because he could still sense good in him. He didn’t with Ben, there’s only darkness. He can not be turned. He fleeted with the idea to kill him in his sleep, but couldn’t go through with it, resulting in the death of his students. The shame and guilt he suffered broke him. He blamed both himself and the Jedi order for how things turned out. He ultimately was a man of faith, who had lost his faith.

        Snoke was outwitted by Kylo Ren. Ren blind sided him by projected fake images into his head whist setting up Rey’s lightsaber to kill him with.

        We will find out whether Rey is stronger than Kylo Ren in Episode IX.

        The ending on Crait proved that Luke was much wiser than Kylo Ren. This time is was Kylo Ren who was outwitted.

    • December 17, 2017 at 9:08 am
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      I had some of those thoughts on my first viewing. After watching it 4 times now….I am loving this movie !!! Some of the humour was much more tolerable the 2nd time around. Leia as the flying nun was jarring on first viewing, but I actually got emotional now when I watched it these last two times.

      • December 17, 2017 at 12:21 pm
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        Yeah I liked it a lot more second time around.

        I must say with Super-Leia though – I wish she had just used the force to hold on maybe just a short distance from safety, until a shield goes up and she survives. It would have been far more powerful, and far cooler.

    • December 18, 2017 at 2:38 pm
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      Dear God, the “General Hugs”-joke at the beginning. Saw the movie twice, both times the audience wasn’t laughing. Such cringe. Also, a “Your Mother”-joke in Star Wars? Please, that sort of humor is low and doesn’t belong.

  • December 17, 2017 at 3:04 am
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    I think one things been lost in this because of the Hating clowns out there that Carrie Fisher died & this was a great posthumous performance by her .

    • December 17, 2017 at 1:23 pm
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      It was indeed. Much better than TFA

      • December 18, 2017 at 1:36 am
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        Indeed it was….

    • December 17, 2017 at 5:34 pm
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      yeah, especially when she flew across space, what a dignified send off for Carrie, right?

  • December 17, 2017 at 3:20 am
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    It’s kind of like an election. You have swaths of vehement opinions on either side. All convinced they’re right.

    • December 17, 2017 at 1:22 pm
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      And this cinemascore sounds like an exit poll.

    • December 17, 2017 at 8:19 pm
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      the sad thing is nobody is wrong here because this is all subjective opinion based on personal preference, but just like politics some people just need to be right even though it makes no difference.

  • December 17, 2017 at 6:34 am
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    Second viewing was much better. I was able to really take everything in and understand everything without the stress I have watching every Star Wars film on opening night lol. It really is a great movie. I’m sad there’s a huge chunk of fans that didn’t like it.

    • December 17, 2017 at 1:21 pm
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      Just as with TFA, I will give this another chance. I don’t think my feelings will change dramatically but I think I may appreciate it more.

      This was a funny one for me, I really didn’t know whether I liked it or not when I came out of the theatre.

      But either way, I’m glad that the younger generation are loving this, it’s obvious that they won’t make these films for me anymore and I’m good with that.

      • December 18, 2017 at 5:01 pm
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        You’re becoming as wise as Luke.

        • December 18, 2017 at 7:49 pm
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          I’m just as hairy and grey 🙂

    • December 17, 2017 at 9:45 pm
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      Re: “I’m sad there’s a huge chunk of fans that didn’t like it”

      Is suspect it’s more like a vocal minority. Frequently the negative views / outrage bubbles to top & can create a inaccurate representation of actual majority opinion.

      • December 17, 2017 at 10:46 pm
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        The PostTrak and Cinemascore reactions would indicate that you’re right.

    • December 18, 2017 at 4:34 pm
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      A large chunk of fans are simply disappointed. Star Wars means a lot to many people, and a lot feel let down and heartbroken by this film. Is it terrible? No. But it is a sad, depressing end to the OT characters. What is really annoying is all the pushback articles claiming anybody who doesn’t like TLJ is a misogynist, racist and hates change. That is really unfair. But that is the world we live in now…

      • December 18, 2017 at 4:59 pm
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        I thought TLJ was a bit racist actually. The black guy is basically denied the “princess” heart and has to end up with the Asian tech which loves him though it’s obviously not reciprocal. It’s not a disgrace in any means, but I thought it was a bit racist of a choice. Kylo Ren, on the other hand, clearly caught Rey’s interest (at least until mid-movie).

        Also Star Wars has always been about tolerance and diversity because of so many species living together. No, because we have to check all the ethnic boxes (I mean, why not, that’s not an issue per se), there is no room for aliens. The New Republic has become as humano-centric as the Empire was. Extremely sad.

      • December 18, 2017 at 7:33 pm
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        Okay I definitely don’t agree with that part about people being misogynistic and racist for not liking the film, that’s ridiculous. But I can tell you that Star Wars means so much to me and the movie has earned a solid place in the saga in my book. Yes, Luke is not who everyone was expecting him to be, but instead we have a more compelling and a more human character that demonstrates that every one, including legends, are susceptible to failure. But in the end he came to peace with his mistakes and helped pave the survival of the galaxy by saving the entire resistance. It was fitting in my opinion.

  • December 17, 2017 at 7:36 am
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    If Rian had given Luke a straight up epic saber fight at the end instead of the force projection run around (which I LOVED) I think most of these issues would be avoided. From what I can tell the major problem people have is that this isn’t the Luke they remember from Return of the Jedi. To me, he has never been more interesting.

    I can’t wait to see what Rian can do when he isn’t tied to any original characters and the decades long expectations that come along with that

    • December 17, 2017 at 7:59 am
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      I knew that wasn’t really luke. he had short brown hair/beard. And the blue saber had been not only destroyed (temporarily?) but was with Rey. I know it was how he looked last he saw Ben…..

      HOWEVER….. wish he had the green saber in that last scene…… That’s what he had with Ben.

      • December 17, 2017 at 9:05 am
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        I think Rian wanted to throw out a few small hints with Luke in that scene to illustrate..he wasn’t really there. His cleaner, younger look, the fact that the red mineral didn’t get kicked up when he moved (Kylo’s feet did)…and the fact that the lightsaber (laser sword) was the same as Rey’s/Anakins. I didn’t notice these on the first viewing, but the second and third time…..it’s fun to pick these things up.

        • December 17, 2017 at 12:19 pm
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          And the lightsabers don’t actually touch

        • December 17, 2017 at 12:19 pm
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          And the lightsabers don’t actually touch

          • December 17, 2017 at 6:39 pm
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            Yep. Luke never actually comes into contact with Kylo, which is why he does that awesome Matrix shot.

          • December 18, 2017 at 4:57 pm
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            I’m sorry but I cannot agree with this “awesome” characterization of the Matrix shot, precisely because it was Matrix, and I don’t know how can anyone not think to this other movie while watching the fight. And I am not sure that Star Wars is the kind of movie where you blink in a big obvious movie to another S-F reference. At least, I go to see Star Wars also for escapism and I don’t like that. I think that was a major flaw of the movie (which otherwise I really enjoyed).

          • December 18, 2017 at 5:43 pm
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            I don’t think there’s a problem with referencing movies, the Star Wars franchise is a big reference to Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon and The Hidden Fortress and a trillion other things. I don’t think taking inspiration from another movie in one shot is a bad thing, but to each his own, I guess.

          • December 18, 2017 at 7:49 pm
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            You might have a point, but as you said, to each his own. I really disliked it. It made me jump out of the movie, all of a sudden. I came in immediately after that, of course, but there was clear suspension of belief at that particular moment.

        • December 19, 2017 at 6:42 am
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          oh, i picked up on all that the first viewing EXCEPT the red dust… thanks for pointing that out! ugh… idk when i will see it again…. aching for my second viewing. MAYBE tomorrow?

      • December 17, 2017 at 4:52 pm
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        Kylo Ren had Luke’s green lightsaber in The Force Awakens. He has it clipped to his belt in Rey’s force vision.

      • December 17, 2017 at 4:52 pm
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        Kylo Ren had Luke’s green lightsaber in The Force Awakens. He has it clipped to his belt in Rey’s force vision.

        • December 18, 2017 at 2:35 pm
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          What? Seriously? I totally missed that like 15 times!

        • December 19, 2017 at 6:39 am
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          I really don’t think that is his saber… Even blowing it up and enhancing, you can’t see what it is.

      • December 18, 2017 at 8:18 am
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        The green saber is something he associates with his greatest moment of shame, his failure to protect Kylo. Makes perfect sense that he wouldn’t manifest it in his ideal form.

        • December 19, 2017 at 6:19 am
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          Ahhhh… makes tons of sense now.
          There are tons of things i would liked to have seen done differently, but it’s a good flick. and we did get to see my favorite lightsaber of all time… twice! 🙂

        • December 19, 2017 at 6:19 am
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          Ahhhh… makes tons of sense now.
          There are tons of things i would liked to have seen done differently, but it’s a good flick. and we did get to see my favorite lightsaber of all time… twice! 🙂

    • December 17, 2017 at 8:01 am
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      Joshua, i agree with you entirely.

    • December 17, 2017 at 8:01 am
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      Joshua, i agree with you entirely.

      • December 18, 2017 at 1:35 am
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        Amen…..

    • December 17, 2017 at 6:40 pm
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      I agree. A lot of backlash is from people not seeing how they personally would have done Luke in this film. In a trilogy with all-new characters, no one has expectations going in, so they can’t really be disappointed unless the films are just flat-out bad.

    • December 18, 2017 at 8:16 am
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      Rian understands that a true Jedi grows beyond lightsaber fights, just as Yoda did. It’s a masterful scene.

  • December 17, 2017 at 7:45 am
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    Disney isn’t dumb. They’re willing to sacrifice a couple hundred million just to make it back 5 fold with episode 9 when JJ brings back Han Solo. Remember the distress call that Leia and Poe sent to their allies that went unanswered? Imagine Han answering the call!

    • December 17, 2017 at 9:01 am
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      …better yet, Lando Calrissian !!!!

    • December 17, 2017 at 11:20 am
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      Your’e joking right?, sometimes the sarcasm doesn’t come through.
      Han Solo is not coming back, the missed opportunities from this new trilogy are mindblowing, Just remember a lot of people loved Force Awakens when it first came out, like The Phantom Menace, then over time the realization of what could-have-been creaps up. The EU has been wiped away for these films, this is how Disney pictures these characters, they deserve better. WE deserve better.hate on…

      • December 17, 2017 at 6:38 pm
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        I will point to this post when TLJ haters claim that they wanted anything other than wish fulfillment out of the sequel trilogy.

    • December 17, 2017 at 10:44 pm
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      LOLOLOL. Fan fiction!

  • December 17, 2017 at 7:59 am
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    I’ve been a Star Wars fan for 16 of the 20 years that i’ve been alive and The Last Jedi is without doubt my favorite film in the saga, it is original, honest and tells a richly detailed and nuanced story but what makes me sad is that so many “fans” do not even try to appreciate just how good this film is, no instead many of the reactions i’ve seen are relegated to immature remarks such as “Luke doesn’t slaughter everyone with his Lightsaber AAAAAARRRGGH” or “Finn and Rose fucking suck because they aren’t Jedi”, but i know there are also many people who, like myself, are able think rationally and accept a wonderful new story.

    It makes me so happy just thinking about what Rian Johnson can do with a completely new Star Wars trilogy, he is the perfect person to take the saga forward and i’m very happy for him.

    • December 17, 2017 at 6:37 pm
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      I agree, one of the most striking things about this film, for me, is how honest it is. It kind of goes against some of the child-like hope that the OT, but it has its own, more mature feeling. It’s hard to put into words but it’s kind of like the difference between saying “Santa is real.” and saying “Santa isn’t real, but Christmas is about family and we all love each other, so don’t be sad.” It deconstructs Star Wars in a way that I don’t think a lot of people were ready for. But I think fans will come to appreciate it, even if that takes time.

    • December 18, 2017 at 1:34 am
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      I’ve been a SW fan for 40 years seen them all at the movie & TLJ is probably my FAV – agree with you Sir…..

  • December 17, 2017 at 10:16 am
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    I Loved It!, says this fan from 1977

  • December 17, 2017 at 11:12 am
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    it was ok , nothing special or amazing , wasnt dire or rubbish either

  • December 17, 2017 at 12:22 pm
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    I hope the inevitable Rey/Kylo showdown in 9 is worth the wait. It seems such a shame that Luke and Snoke are gone, and can’t face off. In fact, perhaps a better opening in Ep 7 would have included Luke losing to Snoke and being injured, so a new generation is needed.

    • December 17, 2017 at 12:44 pm
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      I strongly suspected for sometime that Luke would never leave Ahch-to in The Last Jedi, but I thought he would reenter the fight in Episode 9. I’m shocked that he died in this episode, but not disappointed. His passing was handled extremely well by Rian Johnson, and it assures me that we’ll see Luke again in Episode IX.

      I’m also hoping that J.J. can pull off the final confrontation and leave us with a satisfactory ending. Perhaps he’ll pull back in The Knights of Ren.

      ** Note that TFAs’ Knights of Ren scene is not a vision of the future.

    • December 17, 2017 at 6:56 pm
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      You know what would be cool. One big final battle in Episode IX between Kylo and Rey’s force ghost, while she’s drinking a cocktail somewhere on an island. Or you know what? Forget I said that, that would be wish fulfillment of a fanboy, and that’s prohibited. So, no battle at all in Episode IX. Why fight, when they can all be friends? It’s not like the franchise is called Star WARS.

  • December 17, 2017 at 12:57 pm
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    It’s clearly obvious that people are trying to prove me wrong that this wasn’t a bad movie. I scrolled through the comment section down below saying “you’re mad because you didn’t get a bad ass Luke or the story didn’t go the way you wanted it.” You fanboy nerds who swallow everything whole with the name Star Wars on it.

    Yoda is a top five, possibly top three, character on the overall saga. And that was before the OT.
    Yoda never had any “bad ass” moments in the OT but instead he was a well written character with depth. Luke was an unselfish and optimistic boy who was a nobody but became somebody throughout the OT. He was tested and faced with great challenges but succeeded because his mentality was still “never give up”.
    1. He ran back to warn his aunt and uncle.
    2. He left Yoda to help Leia and Han.
    3. He went all in to try to save his father from the emperor.
    In this movie that hope is all vanished.

    Other than Luke the whole story was a mess. I cared for the characters in TFA but it all vanished in TLJ.
    -Finn and Rose’s stupid mission.
    – Holdo’s “plan”.
    – Superman Leia (Star Wars satire).
    – Snoke’s arc
    – Questions from TFA that wasn’t answered. “It wasn’t needed for the story. You’re just mad because Luke..” Lol.

    I have no problem with Rey being a random. In fact it could’ve played out well if Rey would’ve said something like “I’ve been hoping, and waiting, my entire life for my family to come back. It was only a dream and now I’m alone in this world and I need help. You have become that hope instead.” (give me 1h and that dialogue could’ve been better.)

    Now it’s grumpy and boring Luke who say’s “I dont care about my sister, you or the Resistance. Let the dark siders rule the galaxy.”

    I’m so disappointed with this film.

    • December 17, 2017 at 1:47 pm
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      I think why this movie is so divisive is because it’s so forward looking, whilst The Force Awakens was so looking back. I believe that’s why on some levels it didn’t feel like a true sequel, but instead a movie that stands on its own two feet.

      I loved The Force Awakens, but it was too grounded in nostalgia. I want the story to progress and not be bogged down with back stories, and retreads of old plot lines and structure. I really don’t care for Rogue One because I found the movie dour, stale, and taking itself far too seriously when it had no right to be.

      For better or worse Disney are looking to take the franchise forward. Rian Johnson made a totally fresh SW movie, hence why he’s been rewarded with creating a whole new trilogy.

    • December 17, 2017 at 2:06 pm
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      I agree 100% with everything you said…

    • December 17, 2017 at 2:06 pm
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      I agree 100% with everything you said…

    • December 17, 2017 at 5:37 pm
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      Well said, Rasco. I agree wholeheartedly.

      – Rey being a nobody is actually a good story. But it was executed horribly. So bad in fact, that I didn’t even believe it. I left the theater thinking, “they’re messing with us – she’s not a nobody”

      – Finn, Rose, Poe, Phasma, Holdo, Hux – NONE of them worked for me. They all felt shoehorned in.

      – Holdo’s ‘plan’ was laughable and anti-climatic. “someone needs to steer the ship”, then the next scene with her is just her standing there on the bridge. Couldn’t auto-pilot have done that? A half hour re-write could have had Ackbar hatching a plan to help get everyone away safely. He would have stayed behind and at the last minute you realize his plan was to turn the ship and go to lightspeed. It could have been shocking and dramatic and heartfelt. Instead we got a character that we didn’t care about – just standing there.

      – Superman Leia completely disregards all we have ever learned about in Star Wars. I think of Obi-Wan / Anakin at the beginning of RotS. It was suspenseful because you knew if the stupid little droid bug things breached Obi-Wan’s ship – he was going to die. Even JEDI cannot live in space. Unforgivable.

      – While Rey being a nobody is acceptable – SNOKE being a nobody is totally not acceptable. We had the prequel trilogy showing how long and meticulous Sidious’s plot was to take over the Republic. How he got his army, how he rose to power. Snoke was just some random mean guy that was able to do the same thing? Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

      – then there is the ‘all OT characters are failures’, all male characters are stupid or evil or cowards, Peta save the horses, war-for-profit political pandering, and so on.

      The more I think about this movie – the more it bothers me.

    • December 17, 2017 at 5:53 pm
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      Me too. It was a big letdown to see my childhood hero go out like that without getting to really be in the fight. Snoke was wasted in such a missed opprutunity that could have been just as good as the emperor/Vader/luke scene. leia should have died and Luke should have died in episode IX now they have to make something up. Yoda was awesome but looked kinda off

      Poe and holdos little clash of power was annoying. the entire movie was just the rebels running away. Fun and rose were just filler and canto bight was so lame. I actually liked mazs castle better and that still wasn’t that great. DJ was the most pointless character and I really don’t know why they haven’t used a Boba Fett cameo yet. He’s a big part of the story in the expanded universe and I know they have borrowed a lot from it.

      Crait was the most boring planet. That guy that licks the salt and says salt was a duh moment. Kylo Ren was weak and hux was better. Phasma can’t fight for shit because her armor and using a staff in it is stupid. The ending after Luke’s “fight” didn’t make any sense. Rey just can use the force so easy now after 2 days of barely any training. Her face wasn’t even struggling when she lifted the rocks. And this little nod to a future generation of Jedi felt like a Disneyland commercial.
      I know that’s what they wanted so they can make us think Star Wars land is like that. Idk it was just not that good. I would give it a 88%

      • December 17, 2017 at 6:52 pm
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        The fight we all wanted after 2 hours and 30 minutes of film: Kylo vs. Luke’s avatar.

        • December 20, 2017 at 4:50 pm
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          Yea it would have been awesome to see luke raise his x wing out of the sea and join the fight

    • December 17, 2017 at 8:15 pm
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      Yoda is a top five, possibly top three, character on the overall saga. And that was before the PT (not OT).

    • December 17, 2017 at 10:44 pm
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      That’s not what he says. You should try to watch it.

  • December 17, 2017 at 2:59 pm
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    Episode IX – The Farce continues.

    • December 18, 2017 at 1:31 am
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      The Farce Awakens … yes Haters been there done that….

  • December 17, 2017 at 3:57 pm
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    I’m far more inclined to wonder whether it’s the gushing critical response that’s more easily manipulated than real fan reaction.

  • December 17, 2017 at 3:57 pm
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    I’m far more inclined to wonder whether it’s the gushing critical response that’s more easily manipulated than real fan reaction.

    • December 17, 2017 at 6:32 pm
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      Real *audience* reaction is very positive. Critics as well. Try manipulating hundreds of journalists (many of them independent). Go ahead, try. In the end, the RT score and Cinemascore simply show how wrong many fans are this time around. It’s actually quite sad.

      • December 17, 2017 at 6:41 pm
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        “Fans are wrong” because casual movie goers said they would recomend the movie while leaving theaters? That can certainly be skewed too, what questions are being asked? Most people go to movies just to entertain themselves, so to your average moviegoes, this is as good as a Marvel flick. So, are the fans that don’t like AoTC wrong too? Sorry but saying that thousands of fans are “wrong” is quite pedantic.

        • December 17, 2017 at 6:49 pm
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          TUD is working overtime to dismiss all the negative comments and reactions on this board.

        • December 17, 2017 at 6:49 pm
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          TUD is working overtime to dismiss all the negative comments and reactions on this board.

          • December 17, 2017 at 7:14 pm
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            …and those shitting on it are the same few names.

          • December 17, 2017 at 7:21 pm
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            Yeah, and we are the same thousand ones in Metactric and RT, but we are Force Projecting over there.

          • December 17, 2017 at 8:16 pm
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            I knew it must be something like that.

          • December 17, 2017 at 8:40 pm
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            That can be pretty tiring, try not to die.

          • December 18, 2017 at 4:50 pm
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            Yes. A headache is easily caught when playing with such foolish matters.

          • December 18, 2017 at 4:50 pm
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            Yes. A headache is easily caught when playing with such foolish matters.

          • December 17, 2017 at 7:55 pm
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            And what about the low audience score on Rotten Tomatoes?

          • December 17, 2017 at 7:19 pm
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            “From my point of view, the haters are evil”

          • December 18, 2017 at 1:30 am
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            He working hard cause he’s actually right ? the haters are working hard with some incorrect data ?
            Critics 93% , Audience 79% , Haters 21 %……

          • December 18, 2017 at 10:41 am
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            Oh look, the denial scores are in!

        • December 17, 2017 at 6:54 pm
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          I doubt the fanbois even number in the thousands, honestly. A vocal minority, far outweighed by the critics and audiences who loved the film

          • December 17, 2017 at 7:22 pm
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            One thing I’ll give you, they said it was going to be divisive, and sure it is

          • December 18, 2017 at 1:27 am
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            Look TESB was divisive – critics didn’t like it much at the start ( read history )…..

        • December 18, 2017 at 4:49 pm
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          Also it’s the fans who, eventually, buy the most merchandising (comics, novels, etc.).

      • December 17, 2017 at 7:21 pm
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        No one is right or wrong about whether they enjoyed a movie. Let’s get that out of the way. All’s I’m saying is that I’m seeing division coming from fans and critics. It’s straight down that line.

      • December 17, 2017 at 8:39 pm
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        What’s sad is anyone pointing to statistics or reviews of something they like or dislike and acting as if people who don’t fall in line with that *opinion* are objectively wrong.

        • December 17, 2017 at 10:42 pm
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          I;m not saying that the stats prove that movie is good (although it is ), I’m saying that the stats prove that most people liked the movie, which they did.

          • December 18, 2017 at 1:25 am
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            Totally correct my padawan….

      • December 18, 2017 at 4:48 pm
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        I agree, but it’s also true that sometimes cinema critics have some kind of a Lemmings’ behavior.

        • December 18, 2017 at 5:41 pm
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          Sure. But not over 200 different critics. Some, but not enough to give a bad movie the same exact rating as TFA.

  • December 17, 2017 at 4:32 pm
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    **Spoiler*** For me, I was quite enjoying the film and have been looking forward to some Luke action since 2 years ago with TFA. I thought it might go down the RO route when Vader let rip for one last action scene. Then Luke died from a headache… and I thought …is that it, is that the final send off for one of the biggest story arcs ever to be told on the big screen, he died from concentrating too much. Beautifully filmed but at the same time it was sooo disappointing for me. A lot of people like it and I’ve no beef with them, I’m actually jealous in a way

    • December 17, 2017 at 6:31 pm
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      He died because his arc was over and Force Projection can’t be easy. He had a heroic send-off that involved him saving the Resistance and proving himself wrong (in that scene where he chastises Rey for believing that he alone could save the Resistance). It’s beautiful.

      • December 17, 2017 at 8:37 pm
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        His died because Rian Johnson wanted him to die, but that doesn’t mean his arc is concluded. I don’t doubt for a second that he’ll appear in IX.

        • December 17, 2017 at 10:42 pm
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          He probably will, but I feel that he’s done developing as a character. He’ll more or less stay the same, I think, like Yoda.

      • December 18, 2017 at 1:24 am
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        It was beautiful for sure my friend…..

    • December 17, 2017 at 6:31 pm
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      It’s not a spoiler because that’s not what happened. “Died of a headache” is about the dumbest explanation of Luke’s ending I can imagine.

      • December 17, 2017 at 6:32 pm
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        Agreed. It’s a gross oversimplification meant to belittle Luke’s death and justify more hatred against the movie.

      • December 17, 2017 at 6:36 pm
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        Naaah it was a headache

        • December 18, 2017 at 4:47 pm
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          It’s a way to present things at least.

      • December 18, 2017 at 8:22 am
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        It’s such an absurd oversimplification of what is a beautiful scene and certainly the most impressive display of Force aptitude that the franchise has ever given us.

    • December 17, 2017 at 10:43 pm
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      a headache?

      Yeah, you should maybe try to understand Star Wars.

  • December 17, 2017 at 5:32 pm
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    I can’t understand this desperate grasp to justify the movie. When TFA was out and some of us did not like it, everyone was “but it is 93% in RT” Now that fans in RT gave this 57%, let’s turn to Cinemascore! So, please tell me, why it is so hard to accept that Disney (Rian) may have made a bad movie? What, now only George can make bad SW movies?

    • December 17, 2017 at 6:27 pm
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      93% score on RT, actually. Audience scores are easily manipulated on RT, either for the positive or the negative. Cinemascore is the only trustworthy source for audience scores, because they poll real audiences (not just fanboys) and each person gets one vote only.

      TL;DR: TLJ doesn’t have to be “justified”; it’s being received very well.

      • December 17, 2017 at 6:36 pm
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        “It’s being received very well” Ok. Also, fixed the %

      • December 17, 2017 at 6:36 pm
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        “It’s being received very well” Ok. Also, fixed the %

      • December 17, 2017 at 6:43 pm
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        Yeah, the RT audience scores can be manipulated (I’d have to ask you “to what end exactly?”, because you’re suggesting some deliberate attempt to lower it), but by the same token, if I had been questioned on an exit poll, I probably would have given TFA a generally positive score. 15 minutes later though, after even a cursory bit of thinking about the film? Not so much.
        And I think what he’s talking about being justified is not the film, but the weird, hypocritical defense some people are mounting of it, generally the same people who ultimately answer any criticism of TFA by going “RT says everyone loves it, so it’s awesome and you’re wrong!”. You can’t hold up those scores on the one hand and dismiss them as meaningless at the same time.

        • December 17, 2017 at 7:19 pm
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          You could just as easily have asked why are the same few people constantly posting over and over again about how crap it was.
          Do you think people who spend days on end posting how much they hate a film for the nth time are incapable of doing the same on a review site?
          Would someone who is generally happy with it feel so compelled to constantly do the same?
          It’s always those who are unhappy with something that have the loudest voices.

          • December 17, 2017 at 9:42 pm
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            Gasp. You mean they want to discuss a Star Wars movie…on a Star Wars site???!!! Shocked. SHOCKED I AM!!! And from a cursory look at the audience comments, it’s NOT the same people over and over again. Which either means that’s wrong, or a few people are sock-puppetting the hell out of the reviews…which takes me back to ‘why’? Why would people feel a need to post under multiple different accounts? I think you might have to accept that the film is divisive, without trying to blame malcontents and shitlords for the low score.

          • December 18, 2017 at 1:22 am
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            I’ve been around trying to up the love to counter act the haters 🙂

    • December 17, 2017 at 6:28 pm
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      It seems like you are comparing TFA’s critic score to TLJ’s audience score. As of today, the critic scores on RT are both at 93%. Audience scores on most of these sites are meaningless because they are not at all representative of a statistical cross-section of viewers. Cinemascore is more accurate, but surveys of people leaving the theater don’t allow time for reflection or second viewings, which leads to inflated scores.

      • December 17, 2017 at 6:43 pm
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        I’m not comparing critics vs audience, but platforms.

        • December 17, 2017 at 7:00 pm
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          You said “96% RT” which was TFA’s *critic* score.

          Then you said “RT gave this 57%” which is its *audience* score.

          You actually are doing exactly was Captain Fantasma said. However, if you were to compare critic score to critic score, you would see that TFA and TLJ are actually identical: 93% positive with an average rating of 8.2/10.

          • December 17, 2017 at 10:14 pm
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            Ok, it’s gettin tiresome to do this every two years. How about you loved it , and for me it didn’t go the way I though?

          • December 17, 2017 at 10:42 pm
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            Not going the way you thought is grounds for disliking it? I like surprises

          • December 18, 2017 at 1:18 am
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            Tiresome when 2 years ago ,you guys said the critics were paid off on RT now the cliche rises again !

          • December 18, 2017 at 1:18 am
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            Tiresome when 2 years ago ,you guys said the critics were paid off on RT now the cliche rises again !

        • December 18, 2017 at 1:17 am
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          Guess what I’m going on RT & open multiple accounts & spam it with 5 stars !!!

    • December 17, 2017 at 10:42 pm
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      Because the people giving it bad scores on RT are trolling.

      • December 17, 2017 at 10:58 pm
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        ‘People saying things I disagree with on the internet ONLY do it to make me mad!’. I can’t decide if you’re paranoid or just a workaday megalomaniac center of the universe.

        • December 17, 2017 at 11:31 pm
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          Neither; he’s right. On RT, you can make multiple accounts and you don’t have to have seen the movie to vote. There’s a reason that it doesn’t line up with the box office legs, Cinemascore, or PostTrak rating.

          • December 17, 2017 at 11:41 pm
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            but why? you guys are alleging an alex jones level conspiracy theory with absolutely no motive.

          • December 17, 2017 at 11:41 pm
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            but why? you guys are alleging an alex jones level conspiracy theory with absolutely no motive.

          • December 17, 2017 at 11:43 pm
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            It’s not a conspiracy at all. Angry people make multiple accounts because they’re angry. If you’ve ever been to Reddit, you’d know that it’s actually fairly par-for-the-course for Internet users to do this kind of thing.

          • December 17, 2017 at 11:46 pm
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            why, why, why, why, why? there is no reason for this to happen. none, zero, nada. star wars is the most beloved franchise in the world with one of the most loved directors helming this film. i expect this tinfoiling from DC fans, but i thought we better than this.

          • December 18, 2017 at 12:28 am
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            I think the reaction to TLJ shows that Star Wars fans aren’t better than anyone. They’re certainly not above flame wars, or immaturity, or coordinated spamming. Maybe you just need to accept that not everyone is as perfect as you.

          • December 18, 2017 at 12:34 am
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            “They’re certainly not above flame wars, or immaturity”

            this much is true, unfortunately.

    • December 18, 2017 at 1:15 am
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      Why the bla is it ok to troll in desperation to justify why you hate it ? RT is the only place that’s hates it , $220 OW justifies my trolling FOR LOVING IT – a 20% drop from SAT to SUN proves good word of mouth for example Justice League dropped 30% ( I’m sure you liked JL ) LMFAO

      • December 18, 2017 at 3:47 am
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        I’m sorry, what?

  • December 17, 2017 at 6:22 pm
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    Mark my words: haters will be converted.

    It’s a lot to take in. A lot to process

    BUT!

    Haters WILL change their minds with repeated viewings.

    This movie made the right moves. No one anywhere predicted any of it. No one. Anywhere.

    And, nitpicks aside, it’s going to take time to come to terms with the greatness of what happened in TLJ.

  • December 17, 2017 at 6:26 pm
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    Correction: Disney didn’t buy 21st Century Fox, they bought 20th Century Fox, the movie studio. 21st Century Fox is the parent company, and they still exist and own Fox News, among other things.

  • December 17, 2017 at 6:26 pm
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    If I recall correctly (actually I wasn’t born so I don’t recall, I just read it somewhere), didn’t Empire Strikes Back get very mixed reviews when it first got released?

    • December 17, 2017 at 6:29 pm
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      Yep. Both from critics and from fans. This time around, the critics have clearly learned that it’s okay for a Star Wars film to be really weird and different. Many fanboys, clearly, have not. It may take time, but they’ll come around. We’ll look back on comment sections like this and laugh.

      • December 17, 2017 at 6:42 pm
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        I hope so. I understand that so many fans are upset, but at the same time I don’t. It’s so different from the other films, but I think that’s what so great about it. It gives a breath of fresh air to the entire saga and unlike many, I don’t think this is an insult of any sort. If anything, it’s flattering. Only Star Wars has the right to say what’s “Star Wars” and what’s not, and to me, this is Star Wars. I trust and I love Rian’s vision. But of course, many people are still so upset (please tell me why) over Disney buying Lucasfilm that the only thing they can think of when it’s different is “THEY RUINED IT!!!” What if George had made it? (But even then, I know a certain trilogy made by George that didn’t exactly get full approval, so… it’s a lose-lose).

        • December 17, 2017 at 6:57 pm
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          Meh, people will jump through any mental hoops to justify their hatred for this film. Just look at the number of comments like “I didn’t appreciate the prequels until now, can JJ save us??”. They’re often from the same people who shat on the prequels and on JJ Abrams for YEARS. But TLJ is the new/different movie, so now they have to turn their hatred toward it.

        • December 17, 2017 at 6:57 pm
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          Meh, people will jump through any mental hoops to justify their hatred for this film. Just look at the number of comments like “I didn’t appreciate the prequels until now, can JJ save us??”. They’re often from the same people who shat on the prequels and on JJ Abrams for YEARS. But TLJ is the new/different movie, so now they have to turn their hatred toward it.

    • December 17, 2017 at 6:51 pm
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      I think Rian Johnson actually did deliver his version of The Empire Strikes back, but it did not go the way we thought.

      We all saw the rehash accusations before the movie’s release, walkers, a white planet, and a Jedi in waiting. But, instead of delivering a rehash, he did exactly what Irwin Kreshner did with Empire, he totally turned its predecessor on its head. We all went into this movie with the dogma of our preconciptions and beliefs, and when they weren’t delievered, some of us felt robbed and betrayed.

      All three of the Skywalkers in this chapter have a depth we’ve near seen before. Luke has lost his faith, Leia is desperately trying to keep together a thread bare rebellion, and Kylo Ren is no longer the Vader wannabe but instead is fast becoming the new Palpatine. The irony being that this is very much a Skywalker centered movie, way more so than The Force Awakens.

      • December 17, 2017 at 6:58 pm
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        I think your comment is 100% accurate. Rian Johnson did something truly remarkable with this film.

        • December 17, 2017 at 7:09 pm
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          I find both the movie and its subsequent reactions fascinating.

          • December 17, 2017 at 10:43 pm
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            Agreed.

      • December 18, 2017 at 4:40 pm
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        Your statement here is excellent. Thanks!

        • December 18, 2017 at 4:40 pm
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          Thanks man.

    • December 17, 2017 at 10:41 pm
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      Yes, it did. It wasn’t seen as the best one until years later.

  • December 17, 2017 at 7:03 pm
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    I’m aware that my lack of enjoyment comes from my unmet expectations. When I heard the of the new sequels, I was excited for the chance to see Han, Chewie, Luke, Leia, Lando, R2-D2, and C3-P0 share one last adventure together. Instead the new movies are more focused on the new characters, that while interesting, are not the reason I’ve loved Star Wars. The Force Awakens at least gave me Han and Chewie in some action.

    It’s my opinion, but this is the first Star Wars movie I’ve walked away with not caring what happens next and no desire to sit through it again.

    Again, my expectations, but I’m very disappointed in the story of the sequel trilogy.

    No one is ever going to be able to please everyone, so I guess I’m in the minority here.

    • December 17, 2017 at 10:54 pm
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      I actually really understand that, but I don’t think you ever would have gotten what you dreamed about. The OT actors were too old to lead another trilogy of films, and Carrie’s death kind of shows why it was smart to push them more into the background compared to the new characters. That’s part of why I think this new trilogy is actually going to age really well, though. A lot of people seeing the movies now don’t have preconceived notions that come with having been a Star Wars fan for decades on end.

  • December 17, 2017 at 7:03 pm
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    The moment they announced Rian Johnson was writing and directing the movie, I knew Episode 8 would be a divisive film. People (Hardcore SW fans) dont like change. Theres this “THIS is Star Wars. Dont mess with MY Star Wars” mentality that alot of fans have. Ive been quietly observing the reasoning behind alot of fans dissapointed, and at its core, its all similar. Alot of people who dislike the TLJ, are the same people, like it or not, that are responsible for a Han Solo movie, potential Boba Fett movie etc. This obession with characters from the past, and its hard for fans to let go or accept change. Kylo said it best “Let the past die” they have to move the franchise to new directions if theyre to continue the saga. I for one, appreciated final sendoffs to Han, Luke and ultimately Leia, because if they had opted to not sign on, these films were being made regardless

    • December 17, 2017 at 9:53 pm
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      To be honest I wished they had never used the OT heroes at all. TFA should have been set 50-100 years after ROTJ. A completely fresh start. Instead we get this…

      • December 17, 2017 at 11:50 pm
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        Instead we get a really good movie with a different development than the OT and TFA. Why do you want a 5th movie of exactly the same? I’m still thinking you are mixing quality with taste! As the example I gave before: it is like you go to opera to watch The Boheme and you think is a shit because at the end Mimi dies and is not what you were expecting… that doesn’t make it a bad opera. The movie tell a story different that some fan expected, I absolutely accept you don’t like the story, but that doesn’t mean is bad movie!

        • December 18, 2017 at 1:38 am
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          I wanted a very different sequel trilogy than what had come before. Unfortunately JJ pulled everything back to the Empire (First Order) vs the Rebellion (Resistance) again. And Rian just continued that thread. I always expected Luke to die and he died almost the way I imagined. What I never considered was the depressing conclusion to the OT heroes lives which both JJ and RJ have written. By the way, I don’t think it is a terrible movie, I am very conflicted. I don’t think it’s the masterpiece most are claiming. Watch ‘Blade of the Immortal’ if you want to see a masterpiece. I think there are very real issues which people are happy to ignore because of the supposedly ‘bold’ choices made by RJ. It really is not as bold as you think. Removing the OT cast completely would have allowed a wildly different take on Star Wars. But Disney needed a hook after the misfire of the prequels. And unfortunately I don’t trust JJ and his modern superficial film-making to provide a satisfying end to this trilogy.

          • December 18, 2017 at 2:04 am
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            Well, now you have exposed it in a better way and I do see your point, even I would say I am agree in some points: I don’t think is a masterpiece: as you said, some things could be better done. I do think is quite good, maybe different than what real fans like us expect, but didn’t dissapoint me. At the same time I honestly understand it does you. What I was a bit surprised is that some fans just decided this is absolutely crap. What you said about removing the OT cast could work, but I think their goal is to make a transition, and this movie was the breaking point. I like Luke development and his “dead”, but I think Han Solo dead was more a shock twist in the movie than a real plot need. Maybe we can be agree that is not te masterpiece (9.8/10) some fans say but also not the crap (5/10) others are saying. In my opinion it is a good movie and for me is Star Wars (I would go even 8/10) but I can understand you think that’s could be too much rate for you 🙂
            Pdta: I will watch Blade of the Inmortal 😉

          • December 18, 2017 at 4:35 pm
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            What you say is interesting. I was also much annoyed by the Empire vs Rebels trope that TFA took (there was a Youtube review from a famous guy who said it would have been more interesting to picture the pro-Empire guys has a small guerilla Resistance, with Leia having to deal with the moral trouble of crushing military groups that would have been liked to her own in her past youth).

            But I don’t quite know how Rian Johnson could have gone far from this schema, knowing he had to keep going on this established basis.

      • December 18, 2017 at 4:37 pm
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        Actually they are planning to make such a ‘totally different’ trilogy (directed by Rian Johnson), but I’m sure you know already.

  • December 17, 2017 at 7:14 pm
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    I also think fans are bummed out because in their heads , they already wrote the whole trilogy. Two years of speculation about things that ultimately doesnt matter messes with alot of peoples expectations and in result effects their enjoyment of the movie and clouds their judgement

    • December 17, 2017 at 8:22 pm
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      most of the comments i’ve seen point to specific issues, not headcanon gone awry.

      • December 18, 2017 at 4:32 pm
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        True. And there are legitimate issues, to be sure.

      • December 18, 2017 at 4:32 pm
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        True. And there are legitimate issues, to be sure.

    • December 17, 2017 at 8:25 pm
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      The Force Awakens set up so many plot-lines and unanswered questions that they were actually inviting people to speculate. They were on purpose building people’s expectations for some constructive answers to those questions. They cannot be surprised at this reaction from film-goers when they’ve strung them along for two years only to give them this.

    • December 17, 2017 at 8:25 pm
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      The Force Awakens set up so many plot-lines and unanswered questions that they were actually inviting people to speculate. They were on purpose building people’s expectations for some constructive answers to those questions. They cannot be surprised at this reaction from film-goers when they’ve strung them along for two years only to give them this.

      • December 17, 2017 at 8:40 pm
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        Yeah, I originally thought there was general outline for the sequel trilogy but when Kathleen Kennedy said naw , we are making it up as we go, I was shocked. I don’t think JJ intended for Snoke to just be a throwaway villain or for the Knights of Ren to be ignored. JJ gets his chance to close it out though, so let’s see how it goes

        • December 17, 2017 at 9:01 pm
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          Yea..this movie is definitely divisive. I get why they feel this way. How many times do we say we didn’t like a TV series finale. After 5 seasons of watching a show…there is this huge build up, then when it finishes, there is this sense of critique that it didn’t meet our expectations. I feel that people are getting the same vibe from this film. I will look forward to Episode 9 and then, gauge these 3 movies then. FYI: Canto Bight and the Maz scene, we could have done without. The Rose and Finn theme from John Williams felt too Harry Potterish, which gave their journey that feel as well..just didn’t seem like it fit. Maybe they should have saved that whole idea for Episode 9 and spend more time in Canto Bight. I like the premise, but was too short and didn’t mesh well with this story. I do love those characters though, nice performances from Tran and Boyega.

    • December 18, 2017 at 1:11 am
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      Your so right a lot of fans wrote there own trilogy & this is not theirs not mine either – however I loved TFA & TLJ big time but TLJ is more of what I thought the ST would be Luke leading the way & that scene with Yoda OMG…

  • December 17, 2017 at 8:26 pm
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    reminder: just because someone(or even many someones) have a different opinion then you about something it doesn’t invalidate your opinion about that thing. if you love this film, terrific. if you want to burn it with fire, thats fine. if you are in the middle like me, thats ok too. there is no need to get angry over something that is supposed to bring joy.

    • December 17, 2017 at 8:57 pm
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      yeh TUD, play nice

    • December 18, 2017 at 12:21 am
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      the irrational hate spewed by one person in particular is amazing to me, but thats the way the internet works

  • December 17, 2017 at 8:27 pm
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    I go into every Star Wars film with no expectations on the film because i don’t care what happens.

    Do i dislike a certain scene? yes! But over all i don’t hate any of the Star Wars films because for the most part the OT characters had there time to shine, These new movies are about the new characters

    I don’t even hate the prequels like i said before i might dislike a scene but i don’t hate the whole movie. I will watch the Han Solo movie and enjoy it because it is Star Wars

  • December 17, 2017 at 9:50 pm
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    I think I know why there won’t be a Star Wars Celebration next year…. the fans are divided as never before… it would be an uncomfortable gathering.

  • December 17, 2017 at 9:50 pm
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    I think I know why there won’t be a Star Wars Celebration next year…. the fans are divided as never before… it would be an uncomfortable gathering.

    • December 17, 2017 at 10:58 pm
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      there is no celebration in 2018 because there won’t be another film after solo for a year and a half.

    • December 18, 2017 at 4:11 am
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      Good thing there is NOT a Star Wars Celebrationin 2018 — might turn into a riot.

    • December 17, 2017 at 10:24 pm
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      “Rey’s Backstory Sucks” is not a problem with the film. Just because you didn’t like a portion of the story doesn’t mean it was a problem. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but to use this point as backing to why the film was not good is just completely subjective.

      • December 17, 2017 at 10:49 pm
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        I agree. I wish articles like that would try to be a bit more objective.

      • December 17, 2017 at 10:49 pm
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        I agree. I wish articles like that would try to be a bit more objective.

        • December 17, 2017 at 10:52 pm
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          Come on, you know that’s not how criticism works with art, TUD. If the film is technically competent, the only way you CAN judge it is subjectively.

          • December 17, 2017 at 11:37 pm
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            Fair enough. I guess I just don’t see the value in one specific person’s opinion when I have a sea of other ones readily available.

      • December 18, 2017 at 4:10 am
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        Rey’s backstory does suck tho.

    • December 17, 2017 at 10:40 pm
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      lol nope.

    • December 17, 2017 at 10:40 pm
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      lol nope.

    • December 17, 2017 at 10:52 pm
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      The problem isn’t Rey’s backstory as much is it her unbelievable rise from nothing to capable force-user / proto-Jedi in less than a week… just completely ridiculous. None of her journey to gaining her abilities feels earned.

      Here’s hoping she at least gets one limb sliced off in Episode IX.

      • December 17, 2017 at 11:00 pm
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        Like Luke Skywalker gets 5 minutes of lightsaber training onboard the Millennium Falcon. All he needed to pilot an X-Wing and blow up the Death Star. Yeah, but Rey eh, Mary Sue.

        • December 17, 2017 at 11:01 pm
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          “luke is the best bush pilot in the outer rim.” – biggs.

          edit: i just realized how much of an innuendo that line was. lol

          • December 17, 2017 at 11:32 pm
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            What does that even mean?

          • December 17, 2017 at 11:36 pm
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            that he was already a pretty good pilot. its not like he was some rando they picked up off the street… or an 8 year old pod racer.

          • December 17, 2017 at 11:45 pm
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            But that’s just it, he was some random. He has no military training or experience. He just waltzed into the Rebel Alliance, from farm hand to saviour of the galaxy. I have no idea how long it would take to train a Rebel pilot. Let’s say around a year. Luke had none of that.

            I don’t have a problem with that because I’m so invested in the character and the movie. Likewise how I feel about Rey and her story.

          • December 17, 2017 at 11:48 pm
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            if you have no problem with it, why even make a big deal about it in the first place? you don’t need to attack the OT to defend the ST.

          • December 17, 2017 at 11:56 pm
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            People are cherry picking their arguments by highlighting flaws in the ST, but ignoring similar ones in the OT.

          • December 18, 2017 at 12:03 am
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            absolutely, all the films have flaws. i’m just not sure why talking about the ones in this one is getting the internet in an uproar. its the prequel debate all over again.

            edit: let me clarify that i’m not comparing TLJ to the prequels, but the toxic discussion about it to the long running prequel debate.

          • December 18, 2017 at 12:19 am
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            yes thats it exactly, now its universally looked upon that the Prequel Trilogy is no where near as good as the hype from fans at the time, I sadly admit I was one of those back then, I have come to see the error of my belief and with time many singing the praises of Last Jedi will realize this also

          • December 18, 2017 at 8:39 am
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            Why is the discussion toxic? Are we not allowed to discuss it? Comparing the trilogies adds some context.

          • December 18, 2017 at 9:57 am
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            you’re right, please continue flaming each other into the ground. i’ll talk to whomever is left standing after the holidays. peace.

          • December 18, 2017 at 1:26 pm
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            … May the force be with you.

          • December 18, 2017 at 4:17 pm
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            Agreed. Luke had never flight an X-Wing before.

          • December 20, 2017 at 5:40 pm
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            Or like someone who, immediately upon having dodged and destroyed a number of enemy fighter and manoeuvered through the twisted wreckage of a super star destroyer, exclaims “I’ve never even flown before!”…shortly before explaining to Han fucking Solo how the Falcon works.

        • December 17, 2017 at 11:04 pm
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          It’s established he is a good pilot and the force is strong in his family. But he did not immediate pick up a lightsaber and fling rocks around. He did not immediately challenge Darth Vader or the Emperor. 4 years from ANH to ROTJ until he was sufficiently capable. Plus he faced a major trial in TESB facing Vader. What was Rey’s trial exactly?

          • December 17, 2017 at 11:21 pm
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            The Rebel Alliance would have veterans of all kinds of campaigns, skilled and trained in combat. But nah, it takes a farm boy with no military training or experience to blow up the Death Star without using his onboard computer. All because some dead old guy (who he spent what a few days with) told him to use the force. But that Rey, eh, Mary Sue.

          • December 17, 2017 at 11:28 pm
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            I never said he did.

          • December 17, 2017 at 11:33 pm
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            Clearly to highlight double standards.

          • December 17, 2017 at 11:38 pm
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            who’s double standards? we’ve already established that he wasn’t calling her a mary sue.

          • December 18, 2017 at 12:14 am
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            ok now I got it, defend this steaming turd of a movie by attacking A New Hope. Dead old guy, your funny

          • December 18, 2017 at 8:31 am
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            It cuts both ways.

          • December 18, 2017 at 1:06 am
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            The point is the seeds are there… he is noted to be a damn fine pilot and he is clearly strong with the Force like Anakin. It isn’t a stretch to say he couldn’t hold his own in starfighter combat – he has the piloting skills. He ain’t moving piles of boulders with his mind or challenging experienced Force users with a lightsaber with literally days of experience. For the record I like Rey as a character but her arc is far too easy. This is a problem with a lot of modern filmmaking re Kirk’s ridiculous rise to Captaincy in nuTrek. It is attractive to the lazy youth of today who do not consider hard work or training necessary to achieve anything in life.

          • December 18, 2017 at 2:22 am
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            Rey’s force abilities could be quite easy to explain.
            1. We know she is more powerful than Luke Skywalker, the raw power dialogue that Luke speaks of and how it scares him.
            2. Rey turned the tables on Kylo Ren when she was being mind probed in TFA. She could read his fears and also unlocked some instruction on how to use the force. Rey is calm, cool, and collected, while Ren is emotionally unstable, this is how she gained the upper hand in this scene. When Ren leaves the room defeated, Rey performs a jedi mind trick on a stormtrooper. She learned that trick from being inside Ren’s head.
            3. She received minimal instruction from Luke on Ahch-to regarding channeling the force. She put this into practice by moving the rocks at the end of the movie.
            4. Regarding her lightsaber prowess. She spent most of her life as a scavenger on Jakku. Her main use of protection was her staff. A weapon is ultimately an extension of your body. She’s clearly proficient in fighting with her staff, so she’s used to combat. It’s not too much of a reach to believe she could apply those fighting principles to using a lightsaber.

            Lazy story telling, perhaps. But believable in a Star wars context.

          • December 18, 2017 at 4:24 am
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            Lazy story telling indeed.

            So Rey is now the most powerful and naturally gifted Jedi ever? Even more so than a Skywalker?? This removes any tension in her story. If she is so powerful then she will overcome any challenge. How is that interesting as a story? A more gradual growth in her abilities, showing her fallibilities is far more interesting. I want to see her struggling against the odds. Take Luke’s fight with Vader in ESB – he barely survives that fight – that’s drama, that’s exciting. Rey never feels as though she is in real danger or challenged because she is written as too powerful and uber-competent.

          • December 18, 2017 at 8:14 am
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            1. I never said she’s a Jedi. You did.
            2. It was a statement relative to Luke, she is naturally stronger in the force, but Luke was overall way more powerful.
            3. Rey is also a lot younger than Luke. Age is a factor, like Darth Vader squaring up against Obi-Wan in A New Hope “Your powers are weak old man…” Mark Hamill was 66 on the release of The Last Jedi. Alec Guinness was 63 on the release of A New Hope.
            4. Kylo Ren also appears to be more naturally powerful in the force than Luke.
            5. Rey was easily manipulated by Snoke. She was fooled into believing Kylo Ren would turn to the light.
            6. Her greatest foe could be herself,or someone else (Ren or someone new).

            Who knows where Episode IX will take us.

          • December 18, 2017 at 4:15 pm
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            I hope we shall discover in IX that Rey is a synthetic fabrication designed to embody the Force. That would go one step further in the disembodiment required to achieve power that Vader so greatly illustrates.

          • December 18, 2017 at 4:10 pm
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            Yes. Luke was never very good with the Force, it would seem. Most Force users discover their powers early on (at least it was so during the Old Republic days). Luke is told that the Force exists by Kenobi, and then you have to wait several years before he becomes able to Force lift his lightsaber in the Wampa cave (I disregard new comics on this matter where he is over-powered compared to ESB). So, Luke is not really good. He never was.

            Take Anakin. He can read the holoscreens without any training at the age of 8. That’s more like it.

            Plus, Rey has been awakened, no matter what it means.

            Actually there were many flaws in TFA which just fully reveal to many in TLJ, like Rey being some sort of a super-skilled Force user for no reason, which was already the case in the previous movie (Force interception of a Force pull of the guy who has actually been trained by Luke Skywalker, not bad).

        • December 18, 2017 at 4:10 am
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          Luke Skywalker never uses a Light Saber in combat till after training by Yoda.

          • December 20, 2017 at 5:34 pm
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            And then gets utterly beaten and broken when he does, because he’s a brash, overconfident, inexperienced kid fighting an old, seasoned warrior.

        • December 18, 2017 at 4:10 am
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          Did you watch originals?

      • December 17, 2017 at 11:06 pm
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        i have no problem with rey being uber powerful or beating a damaged kylo in TFA, but her going from an unrefined hack and slash fighter in 7 to a skilled swords(wo)men in 8 with a bare minimum of instruction from luke is a plot hole for me.

        • December 17, 2017 at 11:11 pm
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          I never had a real problem with her beating Kylo in TFA but her development in TLJ just double-downed on the stupid. I really hate the term ‘Mary Sue’…

          • December 17, 2017 at 11:25 pm
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            When the lightsabre flies into Rey’s hand at the end of TFA is chilling. Love that scene.

        • December 17, 2017 at 11:41 pm
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          She knew how to fight with a staff, though. I think it’s kind of established that fighting with a lightsaber is pretty similar – swing the stick thingy at your enemy.

          • December 17, 2017 at 11:43 pm
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            not even remotely the same. she fought the praetorian guards like an absolute pro.

          • December 17, 2017 at 11:44 pm
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            Because she’s a good fighter. So what?

          • December 18, 2017 at 9:30 am
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            To me it looked like she was actually struggling, you can tell she was inexperienced. Plus she was taking on less than Ben and was saved by Ben a couple of times in that fight.

        • December 18, 2017 at 4:09 am
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          exactly — if she had had the INTENSE training with Luke that we all expected, it would make perfect sense for her to be a Saber-master. What a bad bad film.

        • December 18, 2017 at 4:06 pm
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          Hey, you forget she has trained for like an hour striking a big rock! That must count for something.

    • December 17, 2017 at 11:09 pm
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      His fourth point is spot-on. Kylo Ren and Hux are not terrifying at all. With Snoke gone the First Order is as clumsy and clownish as the KKK in Django Unchained.

      • December 17, 2017 at 11:14 pm
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        Compare Hux to any Imperial Officer – Tarkin was threatening and sinister. Veers, Piett, Needa, Ozzel, etc were all realistic military officers not buffoons. They may not all have been competent but they were not played for laughs.

      • December 17, 2017 at 11:18 pm
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        I saw someone on here say how Kylo and Hux are like kids ‘playing’ war. Best description I’ve seen.

      • December 17, 2017 at 11:39 pm
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        Villains don’t have to be “terrifying” to be compelling (anyone older than 12 could tell you that) and the First Order is no more or less “clumsy” than they were before, at least they’re not shown to be in the film.

      • December 18, 2017 at 6:14 pm
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        Bingo. This is why my excitement for the next episode is gone. If Kylo and Hux are the only antagonists left then I just can’t make myself care.

    • December 18, 2017 at 4:04 pm
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      That’s an honest, interesting review you shared with us. Thanks.

    • December 18, 2017 at 4:04 pm
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      That’s an honest, interesting review you shared with us. Thanks.

  • December 17, 2017 at 11:27 pm
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    Oh so now the audience reactions don’t count b/c some folks are trying to pretend this movie didn’t suck. Got it.

    • December 17, 2017 at 11:42 pm
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      REAL audience scores, like PostTrak and Cinemascore matter. Fanboy ratings that can easily be manipulated by multiple, unverified accounts do not count, and they never have.

      • December 18, 2017 at 4:43 am
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        Audience scores matter when the majority of people like it and it doesn’t when they don’t. I’ve seen it go both ways.

    • December 18, 2017 at 12:06 am
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      Some people liked it, some didn’t.

    • December 18, 2017 at 4:07 am
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      Watching them trying to “cover up” the ATROCIOUS fan response on Rottten Tomatoes, IG, Twitter, etc is literally HILARIOUS!

    • December 18, 2017 at 4:07 am
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      Watching them trying to “cover up” the ATROCIOUS fan response on Rottten Tomatoes, IG, Twitter, etc is literally HILARIOUS!

  • December 18, 2017 at 12:07 am
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    Look, a friend HATED it. The reasons he gave mostly make sense to me, but I loved it.

    But the reasons I am seeing online are pretty inane and missed the point, for the most part.

    You don’t have to like the movie, but at least approach it from a reasonable standpoint.

    • December 18, 2017 at 4:41 am
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      I can totally understand why people liked it. It was different and people appreciate the risks that RJ took. That people said, I really didn’t like it. There were some great moments (that make top 3 in SW history for me) BUT there was so much that was out of character and things that didn’t work that I don’t think I’ll go see it again in theater.

    • December 18, 2017 at 8:20 am
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      People are not taking the movie on its own terms. They’re coming to it wanting the movie that’s existed in their heads for thirty-odd years, and everyone has a different movie in their heads. It’s the reason people are enjoying it more a second time: When you know where it’s going, it all comes together and you learn to roll with it.

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        I think it regards to Luke that is true, but I think a big disappointment is that things didn’t pick up from The Force Awakens at all. It feels like they are barely connected at all.

  • December 18, 2017 at 2:39 am
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    Well, they should enjoy the earnings of E8 as it might go bad with E9 earnings. After watching 8 i totally lost interest in everything post E6. Wont go to cinema for E9. As with the Disney SW movies viewings in cinema for me: watched E7 3times just to try processing it, R1 6times (bought a permanent ticket to cinema for 1 month), unfortunately i got sick so was not able to make 10viewings 🙁 , E8 just once and dont plan to see it again in cinema.

    My last hope for a good SW movie is now SOLO as its within the Empire era and not the stupid First Order.

    • December 18, 2017 at 4:06 am
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      and SOLO was written by Lawrence Kasden — but Rian “Mr Looper” Johnson

    • December 18, 2017 at 4:51 pm
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      You’re just blinded by nostalgia and can’t accept new things.

    • December 18, 2017 at 6:50 pm
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      Bye!

  • December 18, 2017 at 3:19 am
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    After a few days of processing here, I think I could forgive most things except one: the COMPLETE out of character portrayal of Luke. Here is the guy who once told Han that he was ‘turning your back on them’, only to now be hiding away drinking blue milk on an island. I’m sorry but this was very misguided and irresponsible handling of such a beloved character. ‘This is not going to go the way you think’. Damn right it didn’t.

    • December 18, 2017 at 4:05 am
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      Luke was DISRESPECTED badly — and that has literally be my biggest fear for the past year.

      • December 18, 2017 at 11:14 am
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        I just think was perfect. Why? Luke will not have children. Ben was the most similar thing to a child for him, the son of his sister and friend… and he saw the darkness on him… I think it’s just powerfull, showing a complex character, a human one! It reminds me the feeling I had when I read Harry Potter and the Deahtly Hallows for first time and I found out that Dumbledore was not the perfect character we all thought (his story with her sister and family and Grindewald…), but it just made him a more complex and wonderful character! I think with this story we just close a big circle of life: the youth heroe, the adult who discover the world is not perfect and the wise old man

      • December 18, 2017 at 11:14 am
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        I just think was perfect. Why? Luke will not have children. Ben was the most similar thing to a child for him, the son of his sister and friend… and he saw the darkness on him… I think it’s just powerfull, showing a complex character, a human one! It reminds me the feeling I had when I read Harry Potter and the Deahtly Hallows for first time and I found out that Dumbledore was not the perfect character we all thought (his story with her sister and family and Grindewald…), but it just made him a more complex and wonderful character! I think with this story we just close a big circle of life: the youth heroe, the adult who discover the world is not perfect and the wise old man

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          As for more human characters, I take your point, but again, there is making someone flawed and them there is TOTAL character reversal. Having Luke’s moment of weakness being the creation of Kylo Ren is a bit of a stretch, but ok, believable, given that he didn’t actually follow through. Having him turn his back on everything including his sister – absolutely unacceptable.

          • December 18, 2017 at 1:15 pm
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            If you’re a bad boy and you realize that your beloved uncle and mentor is pondering killing you for that, I thing it’s easy being turned once and for all!

          • December 19, 2017 at 12:44 am
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            I have to say I agree with you. I like mostly everything of the Luke development but also dont understand why left her sister alone. I was thinking could be a shame reaction for what happen to with Ben/Kylo, which could be a human reaction too… what do you think?

          • December 19, 2017 at 6:20 pm
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            Yes shame is very plausible, very human. It would have been good that if this was part of the motivation that it would have been brought out more.

        • December 18, 2017 at 5:45 pm
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          I agree that the concept of a broken Luke is intriguing, but it was executed poorly in the Last Jedi. Compare this with Logan – Hugh Jackman
          played an older tortured version of the character but it was balanced out with some of the most satisfying Wolverine action we’ve ever seen (spoiler) and his death was tragic and beautiful. The same basic idea of Wolverine dying but his myth living on to inspire future mutants. I didn’t feel that at all for Luke. The whole thing just felt like a big let down and killed my excitement for the episode 9.

      • December 18, 2017 at 4:51 pm
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        Nah. He was made more interesting.

    • December 18, 2017 at 5:54 am
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      What confuses me the most about comments like these is didn’t we already know Luke was in self exile since the end of TFA? We knew a student turned on him and destroyed everything he had and no one has seen him since. And the entire marketing was showcasing how Rey would have to deal with a reluctant teacher. What else did everyone think Luke was doing on that island? You can’t blame Rian for expanding on what JJ left for him.

      • December 18, 2017 at 12:46 pm
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        Yes, but the hope was that there was more of a solid reason for him being there. Why would Han set up that he went looking for the first Jedi temple? Just so he could hide away there? It makes no sense?

        • December 18, 2017 at 1:13 pm
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          You have a point in stressing that the First Jedi Temple and the most unfindable place in the Universe are hardly one and the same. Disturbing coincidence!

        • December 18, 2017 at 7:41 pm
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          The solid reason was so that the Jedi can end, and he elaborates why he thinks so in the film. People just tend to set themselves up for disappointment when it comes to Star Wars films, but these were things we knew since the very first trailer.

      • December 18, 2017 at 1:07 pm
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        Maybe someone had a better idea to explain his seclusion?

      • December 18, 2017 at 1:07 pm
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        Maybe someone had a better idea to explain his seclusion?

      • December 18, 2017 at 4:49 pm
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        It could go either way though, maybe Rey touched a spark within him which would change his mind for the last time and help. But we all know how it went (not hating on the movie btw).

        • December 18, 2017 at 7:21 pm
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          That’s exactly what happened though, he reconnected with the force and helped the resistance survive by giving them the time they needed to escape. They were absolutely screwed if it wasn’t for Luke.

    • December 18, 2017 at 6:00 am
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      This isnt Lucas’ hero archetype narrative. As much as disney specializes in “Happily ever after” we dont get this here. We dont get a one dimensional mythical hero who is forever pure and the same person he was 30+ years ago. Instead we get a more relatable character, who can be greatly affected by his experiences (sometimes in a negative way) like any normal person might be.

      • December 18, 2017 at 1:04 pm
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        The milk was green.

        • December 18, 2017 at 11:59 pm
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          I was glad to see that too, since canon has established that blue milk comes from banthas.

          • December 19, 2017 at 11:06 am
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            Oh, I didn’t know that! Where exactly in the canon?

    • December 18, 2017 at 4:51 pm
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      Lemme know how different you are in 30 years.

  • December 18, 2017 at 3:33 am
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    I just got back from seeing it a second time, and you know what? after being a hater on the first viewing (see my previous comments)
    I now appreciate it and liked it…and no I am not bipolar lol
    You have to realize that your expectation will never be met after so many years, once the shock of it is gone, you can now appreciate what is in front of you and it was a pretty good movie, except for Superman Leia and the Casino…(well the totality of the Rose+Finn plot).

    But I am now at peace with how they portrayed Luke.

    I recommend everyone who hated it the first time to go for a second viewing, I am sure a lot of you will like it or at least hate it a bit less lol

    • December 18, 2017 at 2:28 pm
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      its like that old saying ” you never get a second chance on first opinions”

      • December 18, 2017 at 4:33 pm
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        Yeah but your first opinion in that case will be biased by 35 years of story you made up in your head about Luke Skywalker… There was almost no chance in hell the movie would meet everyone expectations. In the movie Luke is being portrayed in a realistic matter, he is not a god and if you look back at the other movies most Jedi are not. Even Yoda fled the fight in Episode 3…
        Luke even tells the audience directly that his confrontation against the Emperor made him a legend, and a legend he is not…
        Anyway, I was really pissed at first but I have now made peace with it, and I am sure I will enjoy it even more after more viewing (while fast forwarding the Finn subplot lol)

  • December 18, 2017 at 4:12 am
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    “That hit me like a ton of bricks,” Hamill says. “Jedis don’t give up! If something goes wrong, you make it right!” Nevertheless, Hammill had only so much say in Luke Skywalker’s fate.

    • December 18, 2017 at 4:12 am
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      Mark Hamill cared more about Luke Skywalker than Rian does.

      • December 18, 2017 at 4:15 am
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        Knowing that, makes what they did to him so much harder to swallow.

        • December 18, 2017 at 4:45 am
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          If you go watch and walk Mark’s early interviews about TLJ, he was very CRITICAL of Rian Johnson — until Rian / LF told him to please shut up.

          • December 18, 2017 at 4:50 pm
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            He said he disagreed and they talked and he came around. Don’t make things up.

      • December 18, 2017 at 3:47 pm
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        The problem was is that Lucasfilm had to protect the integrity of the new characters. You couldn’t make Luke Skywalker this all powerful Jedi because it would make people care less about Rey. It’s out with the old in with the new. And I am totally against that. It’s supposed to be a blend of both.

        • December 18, 2017 at 4:49 pm
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          No, it’s not? It was a blend of both, but this is Rey’s story?

          I bet if the prequels came first, people would be mad about Obi Wan just giving up. But that was Luke’s story. This is Rey’s.

          • December 18, 2017 at 5:03 pm
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            I am mad about Obi-Wan just giving up!

      • December 18, 2017 at 4:49 pm
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        That doesn’t mean he could write a better movie.

  • December 18, 2017 at 4:22 am
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    I will say that the final scene with Luke is rather awesome. It had a vert western feel to it.

    • December 18, 2017 at 4:46 am
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      It would have been a GREAT ending if Luke just didn’t stand there with the Saber doing nothing.

    • December 18, 2017 at 4:46 am
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      It would have been a GREAT ending if Luke just didn’t stand there with the Saber doing nothing.

      • December 18, 2017 at 9:08 am
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        He couldn’t though. He projected an image of himself. He wasn’t a physical entity on the Crait battlefield.

        The old master totally outwitted his younger former student, and by association, The First Order. It was beautiful.

      • December 18, 2017 at 9:08 am
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        He couldn’t though. He projected an image of himself. He wasn’t a physical entity on the Crait battlefield.

        The old master totally outwitted his younger former student, and by association, The First Order. It was beautiful.

        • December 18, 2017 at 4:08 pm
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          Luke wasn’t just an image when he interacted with Leia. When he handed her the dice.

          • December 18, 2017 at 4:20 pm
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            He never left the island.

            Leia knew it wasn’t really Luke (his younger appearance would be a give away). I suspect C3PO did as well, hence Luke winking to him. Kylo Ren didn’t, because he’s blinded by his own anger.

            I’m not sure the Falcon’s dice were real. I believe he projected that image to Leia, a message for her to get to it perhaps. Otherwise, why would the dice disappear when Kylo Ren picked them up?

          • December 18, 2017 at 4:26 pm
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            I mean, clearly they were not real!!! They disappeared while being held by Kylo Ren.

          • December 18, 2017 at 4:26 pm
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            My thoughts exactly.

          • December 18, 2017 at 4:29 pm
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            Yes, you said so.

            Interesting your theory about C-3PO (one of my biggest disappointment with the movie is how little he plays a role). I would be glad to hear more about it. I also noticed that C-3PO was… unsettled at best by his encounter with Luke. Maybe he didn’t know, but clearly he felt something off. Thanks for having brought this to my attention.

          • December 18, 2017 at 4:27 pm
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            I’m not saying Luke ever physically left the island. I’m saying that, in the Luke-Leia scene, the film establishes that Luke’s astral body can interact with the physical environment. Luke touched Leia, even handed her a pair of dice that Kylo Ren later found.

          • December 18, 2017 at 4:33 pm
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            I need to watch that scene again. But, remember Leia is force sensitive, and also note:
            1. Luke leaves no footprints on the planet’s surface, everyone else does.
            2. Kylo Ren plunges his lightsaber through Luke.
            3. The dice were an image, much like Luke’s lightsaber he was armed with, hence why the image expired when Kylo Ren picked them up.

          • December 18, 2017 at 4:45 pm
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            Yes. Due to the absence of footsteps, I was believing that Luke had actually been dead for a long time (hence no Force presence felt by Rey), but was still able to roam the galaxy as a ghost.

          • December 18, 2017 at 4:45 pm
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            Don’t you remember the interaction between Kylo and Rey? Kylo had rain on his face and wiped it off with his hand. Also didn’t the dice dissapear?

          • December 18, 2017 at 4:46 pm
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            Yes they did!

      • December 18, 2017 at 4:48 pm
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        Doing nothing? Watch again.

    • December 18, 2017 at 12:15 pm
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      I had goosebumps watching that.

    • December 18, 2017 at 12:32 pm
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      Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy out by May, i’m calling it now. If you dont think Disney is paying attention to the outrage you dont know how capitolism works.
      And yes, there is massive outrage, the collective circle jerk can call them “fanboys” , but those are the people with the $$$$$., Its clear there were uneasy folks at Lucasfilm during the making of this movie, and KK knew of Hamill’s displeasure, watch the scene at Celebration when she has to give him the “shut up, or youre not getting paid” look.

      • December 18, 2017 at 4:47 pm
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        I know you don’t know how capitalism is spelled…

        If you knew the first thing about movies, you would know how silly your comment is.

      • December 18, 2017 at 6:44 pm
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        Except, Capitalism means as long as the money is coming in, they are happy. Guess what… the money is rolling in. Lucasfilm clearly is happy with Rain considering they gave him an entire trilogy to himself, and the ‘massive’ outrage is a small portion of people actually going to see the film.

  • December 18, 2017 at 5:37 am
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    The more I think about Luke’s ending, the more I love it!! It’s like he
    had reached his highest self (Nirvana). Sure a lightsaber fight with Kylo would have been great but his purpose was to help the last of the resistance escape, then become one with the force so he can become more powerful than Kylo could ever imagine (Obi wan). It’s not all about fighting and revenge.

  • December 18, 2017 at 7:36 am
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    Couldn’t care less what anyone else thinks about TLJ. I loved it and that’s all that matters for me. The fanbase is now forever divided and I love that!

    • December 18, 2017 at 12:36 pm
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      you may love that, but Disney sure doesn’t

      • December 18, 2017 at 1:57 pm
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        Sure they do! They did it on purpose! It’s secures a new fanbase fpr a whole new generation….

        • December 18, 2017 at 2:04 pm
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          I dont know of any mega-corporation that has in its business model, alienate half their customer base

          • December 18, 2017 at 2:17 pm
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            “Half their customer base”?? WTF?

          • December 18, 2017 at 2:26 pm
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            Only time will tell, like the next few weeks to see if this film stays steady with its numbers, or if word of mouth hurts it. But Disney is taking no chances, their PR is working overtime.
            A lot of fans didn’t care for Ep7 but I dont remember Disney trying to re-assure everyone during opening weekend.
            I remember The Phantom Menace playing out exactly like this

          • December 18, 2017 at 4:47 pm
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            “half” hahahahaha. Check the Cinemascore and Box Office. The metrics they care about are skyrocketing.

          • December 18, 2017 at 6:19 pm
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            Check the box after a bunch of people don’t see it a 2nd or 3rd time and skip Episode 9. I’m out.

          • December 18, 2017 at 6:41 pm
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            bye Felipe…

          • December 18, 2017 at 7:54 pm
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            Yes, you are out. Of your league.

            Come back next weekend and let’s see what the box office drop off is. I will be here.

          • December 20, 2017 at 5:00 pm
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            “As if the number of people matter. As if large numbers of people have never been wrong before.”

        • December 18, 2017 at 4:10 pm
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          Its only a small group compared to the mass, the mainstream or casual Star Wars fans probably loved the movie and aren’t going to rage about it on the internet.

  • December 18, 2017 at 7:39 am
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    Porgs instead of Turkey for Christmas dinner?

  • December 18, 2017 at 7:39 am
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    Porgs instead of Turkey for Christmas dinner?

    • December 18, 2017 at 3:45 pm
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      I mean I have lasagna but little bits of porg meatballs I think would bring a festive touch that this Christmas desperately needs!

  • December 18, 2017 at 12:31 pm
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    I have never known a Star Wars movie to be so divisive, I know Rian and Lucasfilm explained that this would be a different Star Wars movie but even they must be a bit shocked at the response, it must be 50 / 50 love or hate…this is not going the way they thought.

    Biggest issue now is the Han Solo movie in 150+ days, if it flops or the cast are not believable in their roles then i really think no more movies should be announced until after episode 9.
    Concentrate on the TV shows and let the fans breathe. The fans kept Star Wars alive, Lucas admits the fans are everything, if you alienate half the fans then you will eventually lose them. If they removed Leia Poppins and had Luke go to Crait and go out as a hero i would have had no problems with that but you cannot treat a beloved character like Luke like that, the fans know him and know that he fundamentally would not stay on that Island while his sister was at risk or try and kill his nephew for “maybe” having the darkness in him (even for a split second), it’s not the story, it’s the treatment of Luke that is so wrong. And it’s not “brave” movie making, having Ren kill Snoke was brave, keeping Leia alive till 9 was brave…what they done with Luke is inexcusable.

    • December 18, 2017 at 4:46 pm
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      Then you weren’t alive in 1980. Empire was equally divisive. We just didn’t have the Internet.

    • December 18, 2017 at 4:46 pm
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      Then you weren’t alive in 1980. Empire was equally divisive. We just didn’t have the Internet.

      • December 18, 2017 at 5:17 pm
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        Yeah i was very alive and sat in awe at Empire at the time I can’t remember the “I am your father” moment being divisive…shocking yes but not divisive, changing a story to suit a character is fine, changing a character to make it suit a story is different the entire Luke arc or The Last Jedi goes against everything that Luke character is, Rian Johnson knew this but decides to do this to Luke’s character to get the shocks required so they can him a brave filmmaker making bold choices.
        No it was the wrong decision to make Luke like this, kill him off if you must but there is just no way Luke would have acted this was so it made the character poor and took many people out of the movie.

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          Oh, I remember it being divisive. Some people didn’t believe Vader was telling the truth, others hated how different Empire felt from the fun adventure that was A New Hope. It happened.

          Luke almost killed Vader on the Death Star, in a moment of weakness. When he thought Vader would try to turn Leia. You don’t think he would have an instinct to protect all that again from Ben? Maybe you don’t know the character as well as you think.

          • December 18, 2017 at 6:38 pm
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            Great point. The whole Skywalker story (even in now defunct Legends) is how the the bloodline seems to hover between light and dark. I think everyone built up Luke in their head to be this hero of all heroes, but he was a flawed character, like everyone else. He used Force Choke to take out the Gamorrean guards at Jabba’s Palace. That is a very explicit dark side power. And as Unc mentioned, the reason he defeated Vader on the Death Star is because he tapped into his anger, in to the dark side, before realizing what he was doing, and how he could become Vader if he kept going. I think him thinking about killing Ben to protect the others, to protect his academy and young students, is totally and completely in line with Luke’s character arc.

          • December 18, 2017 at 10:14 pm
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            So which part of his dark side is he using to sit on his ass on a rock while his sister is waiting to be killed by the First Order…instead of rushing to save her he phones it in….Fear is a path to the dark side right enough

          • December 18, 2017 at 11:03 pm
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            I’m pretty sure his ‘phoning it in’ allows them all to get away from the First Order because he takes Kylo completely off his game and causes him to focus all his energy and firepower on him, even though he was just a mirage. Did he phone it in, or showing some brilliant strategy?

          • December 18, 2017 at 10:12 pm
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            I think i know the character pretty well actually and along with a huge amount of fans think his character has more or less been assassinated, but you have your opinion…i have mine and Mark Hamill has his and i know who’s side of the fence i’m sitting on with this one.

          • December 19, 2017 at 12:53 am
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            A huge number of people voted for Donald Trump…doesn’t mean they are right.

            Sometimes the actors are too close to the character.

          • December 20, 2017 at 5:28 am
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            Why? Why bring up dysfunctional politics when we’re talking about a fantasy adventure that most people use to escape reality? Trump is a clown, most of us would prefer to pretend that this isn’t reality, but it is. Whatever – this political nonsense (in the U.S.) will pass (to be replaced with future political nonsense). It’s mostly political theater anyway.

            As for Mark Hamill being “too close to the character,” if anyone has “earned” the right to own their character, it’s Hamill. His career was simultaneously made and ruined by that role. On Broadway he got rave reviews for his work in “Amadeus,” but when the time came to make the movie he was dismissed because he was “Luke Skywalker.” And that’s all most people could see him as. He’s not the greatest actor, but he’s a better actor than most people give him credit for.

          • December 20, 2017 at 2:52 pm
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            Because he brought up the number of people (according to him) that are upset about this.

            As if the number of people matter. As if large numbers of people have never been wrong before. That’s why. It has nothing to do with Trump, it’s a counterpoint to the numbers argument.

            If anyone has earned the right? Come on. Just because he is close to the character doesn’t mean he can come up with a good story for it and I will prove it:
            Hamill has stated that he thought he should have been the one to catch the saber in the forest in TFA.

            Yeah, crowdpleasing moment and all, but can you imagine how little he understands the point of that story if that’s his idea? How it undoes the journey Rey is on? It’s her story, not his.

            I love Hamill, but actors aren’t writers.

          • December 20, 2017 at 6:51 pm
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            “I love Hamill, but actors aren’t writers.”

            Ok. I concede. You are right. But I think Hamill is very defensive of the character and feels that he is the caretaker for the revered “Luke Skywalker.” And it’s hard to fault him for that. Even though he’s not a writer, his opinion on the character does matter I think. It’s hard not to admire his passion.

          • December 20, 2017 at 9:39 pm
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            No, I do not blame him for that at all. But he did his job and he did it quote well.

            I do not fault anyone who didn’t like the movie, either.

            But the over the top reaction from some is disturbing.

          • December 21, 2017 at 2:31 am
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            “I know the character pretty well”
            LMAO, you created him?
            Plus this sounds like every parent when their child is accused of any crime – “He is so amazing, and sweet, and good, and kind….. He would NEVER do that!”

            Come on, man. Even if you KNEW the character, you KNEW character from 30 years ago. People CHANGE (I wouldnt say evolve as evolve implies for the better, which doesnt happen always).
            FFS, I cant believe when I look at my chat history from year ago, feels like someone else was writing instead.

            P.S. Mark Hamill NEVER said he hated the character. I watched that interview and he said when first time reading the script that he would never do it that way and that it was unexpected. But as he developed character further with Rian, he fell in love with it. (and you cant give performance of that level he did if you wasnt in tune with character)

    • December 18, 2017 at 2:16 pm
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      If he is telling the truth, that guy really needs to get laid.

      • December 18, 2017 at 3:46 pm
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        You said it.

    • December 18, 2017 at 2:54 pm
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      So, one TLJ fan writes he did it on purpose, and people believe that? Man, the denial is strong with this one.

      • December 18, 2017 at 4:22 pm
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        You got me.

        The Jig is up.

    • December 18, 2017 at 3:41 pm
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      After listening to The ForceCenter podcast I am at bargaining right now and are debating whether to go see it again.

    • December 18, 2017 at 3:41 pm
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      After listening to The ForceCenter podcast I am at bargaining right now and are debating whether to go see it again.

    • December 18, 2017 at 4:58 pm
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      It took me all weekend but I’ve finally reached acceptance.

  • December 18, 2017 at 3:52 pm
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    What I don’t appreciate is that the people that did like the movie being super smug and saying “well you just didn’t get it” like it’s supposed to be some complex painting in the f**king MOMA. I can look past the characterization of Luke Skywalker, but the Leia moment and the complete lack of tonal clarity on the movie won’t ever work for me. To say “well you just don’t get it” is such a fanboy rational that they tell themselves as they line up at the toystore to buy the 38592834th variation of a Porg because they hate themselves.

    • December 18, 2017 at 4:16 pm
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      And for everyone that behaves that way, there’s someone who dislikes it that calls people “shills” for liking it.

      • December 18, 2017 at 4:21 pm
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        Also true.

    • December 18, 2017 at 6:45 pm
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      I’ve been watching the comments. It is funny how the ‘you just don’t get it’, or ‘you missed the whole point’ has become the new argument for it. Well, you know what… if the ‘point’ was so subtle or poorly executed that we didn’t even pick up on it – that’s on the filmmakers – not us. Don’t tell me it was some deep thoughtful work of art that I need to revisit multiple times just to understand it. That’s a weak stance.

  • December 18, 2017 at 7:58 pm
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    When I thought they may be setting up a Luke and Snoke Astral battle, I liked the choice and understand dan reaction. I’ve been defending this movie to so many Star Wars fans who don’t go see it on day one or comment. Promising there’s more than meets the eye.

    I realized after Johnson comment that I may have been trying to save the film in my own head. If indeed this is it for Luke and Snoke, this movie starts to become a disappointment. They managed to make the Skywalkers lame.

    When I read Johnson’s comments though I start to despise it. You can’t hide Luke in 7, and then completely mangled him in 8, and give a tad bit ghost scene in 9 and expect everything to be cool with fans.

    Also, it was said Luke and Leia would make it to 9, but that was a lie. And if that’s indeed the end of Snoke, then this was the movie.

    Kill off everyone anyone has a emotional connection too.
    Have Snoke be sooo over powered but then bested by a kid who was bested by a girl whose a nobody.

    Make Rey as unlovable as possible literally saying she is no one, train her with one scene that is more of a guage of her connection to the Force, and then make her the New Hope. Very unremarkable.

    Have Kylo destroy Luke’s temple from within, but explain nothing of the events that lead to who Snoke is, how Snoke turned Ben, or anything.

    REBELS: So that Snoke guy that is now a plot device has been able to flip the entire Saga on its head and make Luke, Han, and Leia’s acts in the OT basically for nothing. Because a real dumb tall guy was gonna easily flip it on its head.

    Snoke destroys the New Republic and puts accomplishes the death of Luke, and decimated the force of light. But hey, Rey and Poe will bevthe sparks.

    When this movie isn’t taking actions that give finality to beloved characters, it’s ripping off Empire and ROTJ.

    Sadily, I no longer care what happens to any alive Starwars character

  • December 19, 2017 at 12:51 am
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    This is gonna be the most divisive Star Wars film we’ve ever seen.

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