Review – Star Wars: The Last Jedi – A Generationally Unifying Masterpiece

This is a non-spoiler review

 

Whether you are an old-school original trilogy stalwart, a proud “prequelist”, or a sequel trilogy newbie, The Last Jedi will challenge your Star Wars conventions. Rian Johnson has created the most uniquely different Star Wars film, and it’s the generationally unifying masterpiece we needed.

 

In the beginning Star Wars was a boy, a girl, good versus evil, a classic tale told in a galaxy far, far away…

 

But Star Wars has evolved. Writer and director Rian Johnson has plunged his hands into the clay, molding a new vision for the episodic saga we have grown to love over the last forty years. The Last Jedi is different, unfamiliar at times, but kept necessarily close enough to home by the escapism and boundless adventure this franchise has provided us for decades – an adventure that began the moment Luke Skywalker agreed to learn the ways of the Force and join Ben Kenobi on his mission to Alderaan.

 

After The Last Jedi‘s crawl faded into space and we panned away, I was immediately pulled in to what would instantly become my favorite opening to a Star Wars movie, and it’s not even close. I wasn’t in a shockingly tight and void-of-legroom balcony theater seat any more – no, I was launched right back into the Star Wars galaxy, with an opening sequence packed with a cocktail of old western fun, action, humor, excitement, and drama. It brought back those feelings, that it was undoubtedly Star Wars, but in a new way.

 

Through this entire saga, I have never felt more concerned for the rebels than I did in The Last Jedi. There is a seriously palpable sense of despair that resonates from starship crashes to character clashes. In the original trilogy, perhaps due to a wide-eyed sense of childhood optimism, I always knew that somehow they would find a way, that ultimately everything would be all right. That feeling is now gone. Rian Johnson aptly applies a new layer of thoughts on warfare that is foreign to Star Wars. Sure, you may win a big battle, but at what cost? The Resistance destroyed the Starkiller Base, but the New Republic is hanging by a thread. Johnson challenges us to accept being uncomfortable and absorb this new sense of urgency in the saga, and he does it unflinchingly without filters or hesitation.

 

 

In the throes of despair, the brink of annihilation, as long as there is hope, there will always be light. Who better to instill that feeling of hope more than Leia? Carrie Fisher’s presence as General Leia brings a certain feeling of stability, a sense that as long as we have her, everything we be okay. Continuing what J. J. Abrams started, Rian Johnson effectively uses the legacy characters and the new alike. These aren’t fan service cameos; Leia’s presence is more important than ever, and she’s never seen dark times like this before. But remember, the Force is strong in her family.

 

Although the movie will have you on the edge of your seat with genuine concern for these characters, you can ease your stress levels a bit knowing that this is also the funniest Star Wars movie of all time. I am not talking about Jar-Jar Binks stepping in feces – I am talking earnest and well placed comedic moments and anecdotes that will not only make you laugh out loud at times, but leave a smile on your face without realizing it long after the moment has passed. Rian Johnson appears to have this innate ability to know when to take his foot off the gas, like knowing when it’s time to end a conversation and move on. There is humor mixed in throughout the film and at times in some of the most unexpected places, Johnson’s way of giving you periodic breaks from clenching the armrests of your theater seats. BB-8 will endlessly charm you, and there is an absolutely perfect moment between him and Poe that will warm your heart forever.

 

 

In addition to spunky droids, the creatures in the film add a richness across all of the planets we visit in the movie. Johnson’s use of porgs is perfect (yes, you will love them), in addition to the plethora of fantastic new creatures we are introduced to along the way, from Canto Bight gamblers and space horses, the adaptable vulptices of Crait, and the other inhabitants of Ahch-To. While I loved the porgs, I really took to the fathiers. You’ll see why, but there are aspects of the story that will make you really care for these creatures for more reasons than one. I also really enjoyed the caretakers of Ahch-To. I couldn’t help but appreciate them and their moral obligation to tradition and duty, reminding me of the old knight at the end of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.

 

 

Creatures and droids are wonderful and help make Star Wars special, unique, and fun, but the element of the film that Johnson deserves the most credit for is his execution of the endless amount of character arcs that he needed to propel forward. Johnson had a full plate to tackle in The Last Jedi, not only continuing the stories of Rey, Kylo, Finn, and Poe, but new characters Rose, Holdo, and DJ – oh yeah – and Leia and the last Jedi himself Luke Skywalker! Somehow, Johnson cuts no corners and is able to effectively move each character’s story forward without forcing anything, and does so in a fulfilling manner. That’s what makes him such an excellent writer, as he was able to map the story and flesh it out in a way that gave each character the time and treatment they deserved. There are a lot of movie franchises out there that would have benefited from Rian Johnson’s style of storytelling execution, and we are eternally lucky to have him in Star Wars.

 

 

The chemistry between actors John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran is genuine from the moment they meet. Finn and Rose, two different personalities from opposite ends of the spectrum coming together on a mission, challenging and inspiring each other in ways that neither of them would have ever expected. Finn, a First Order turncoat who became famous within the Resistance for his heroics at Starkiller base, and Rose, nothing more than a mechanic in the Resistance, but perhaps more of a believer in the cause than the big deal himself! Kelly Marie Tran was wonderful, displaying an array of emotions, and will undoubtedly be a highlight of the film for so many reasons, including being a surprising source of inspiration to make Finn fully invest in the Resistance after everything he’s been through since we first met him as FN-2187 in The Force Awakens.

 

 

Poe Dameron was the most surprising character to me. Often an after-thought when discussing sequel trilogy characters, Poe Dameron’s time has arrived in The Last Jedi, and it wouldn’t be a reach to say he may quickly become a new fan favorite for many. Oscar Isaac was utterly fantastic, and any shortage of Poe we felt from The Force Awakens has been completely extinguished in this episode.

 

 

The performance capture by Andy Serkis for Snoke was good, but the character left me wanting more. Rian Johnson was quite open this summer explaining he doesn’t delve too deeply into Snoke in this movie, so I didn’t expect a lot going in. That aside, I was very pleased with the CGI work for the character. Typically with a motion/performance capture, the eyes are the ultimate flag/giveaway that they are clearly an animated feature. As great as Tarkin was in Rogue One, the eyes were the giveaway. That is not the case with Snoke. His face looks real, especially in close-ups. I think Rian Johnson and ILM knew how important it was to make Snoke physically believable/tangible looking, and the attention, time, budget, and effort they paid towards this effort pays off big time. There are no Dwayne Johnson Scorpion King effects to be found here, but you already knew that!

 

 

Holdo and DJ were a lot of fun, but I was left unfulfilled by both of them. I thought DJ was entertaining, but both characters seemed like plot pushers to me more than impact players. Both Laura Dern and Del Toro’s performances were great, but the characters themselves left me wanting more; perhaps I built their impact up too highly in my expectations of the story.

 

Rey’s collision course with Kylo Ren kept me uneasy, guessing which way the pendulum would swing throughout. It is tense and concerning. I wanted to scream to Rey the way Luke does. RESIST! I also surprisingly found myself empathizing with Kylo Ren (even though he killed my hero Han Solo). Both Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver were dynamic in the film, their working chemistry was evident early on, and both actors looked natural in the film’s fight scenes. The hard work they put in showcased in the behind-the-scenes reels was well worth it.

 

 

A complex villain, Kylo Ren is tormented by his legacy and constant virtue of earning the respect of his master, Supreme Leader Snoke. While he told us to let the past die in the trailer, the events of his past that we discover in The Last Jedi alters the way we will look at everything, including the relationships between him, Rey, and Luke.

 

“This is not going to go, the way you think.”

Luke was right.

 

This takes me to the film’s namesake, Mark Hamill. As we have seen and heard in the film’s promotional campaign, this is a jaded, defeated Luke Skywalker. In George Lucas’s first trilogy, Luke evolved quite a bit. In the span of the three films, he went from the whiny farm boy that annoyed Han Solo in the cockpit of the Falcon to a Jedi that would ultimately help restore peace and freedom to the galaxy. In Return of the Jedi, we saw a much more developed version of the character, more reserved and stoic, but still full of hope and the never-ending will to pursue the goodness in his father. It was without a doubt Hamill’s best portrayal of Luke to date…until now. Mark Hamill blew me away, and combined with Johnson’s story and direction, Hamill delivers his greatest performance as Luke Skywalker ever, exponentially beyond the depths we’ve seen previously.

 

 

Finally, the lifeblood of Star Wars…the music. John Williams employs the themes introduced to us in The Force Awakens, which have now fallen in line as story guiding vehicles as much as the classic themes from the original trilogy and prequels, masterfully blended and applied seamlessly into the narrative in a way that only he can achieve without pulling you out of the scenes. The epic fortes and crescendos dancing their way through the score’s pages pacing this heavily layered non-stop adventure! New themes didn’t come pouring out as they did in The Force Awakens, because frankly we didn’t really need many, though there is a new theme for Rose that stood out in particular. The “March of the Resistance” is used perfectly in one spot, elevating the power of the scene, and vaulting it up my list as one of my favorite compositions. We also get a return of the “Jedi Steps” theme that brought us to the emotional end of Rey’s journey to find Luke in The Force Awakens.

 

 

 

Rian Johnson is right – there are no “bathroom break” moments in The Last Jedi. While there are some moments of calm, there is an overlaying sense of urgency in the film, a scramble for survival. While in the original trilogy I always felt like Han and Leia would think of something, or Luke would find a way, my confidence was tossed into a massive pit of doubt and concern in The Last Jedi. The intensity and audience inclusiveness brought forth by Johnson’s direction took this movie to another level. I felt like I was in the middle of every scene. There were several sequences on Ahch-To, which Johnson has previously revealed he used several IMAX shots on, that had me on that island smelling sea-salt and feeling coastal winds.

 

 

As you enter the theater to see the movie, dare yourself to be okay with letting go of what you’re used to and accepting the unfamiliar. Let Rian Johnson take you on one of the most story-rich, complex, exciting adventures we have ever seen!

 

The Last Jedi has a place for fans of all ages, and all trilogy-allegiances, including die-hard original trilogy stalwarts, prequelists, and those who have just gotten on board! In a world where divisiveness is often the immediate pathway, Rian Johnson has given us something that we can all proudly and collectively get behind in the Star Wars community, an absolutely masterful chapter in the Skywalker saga that ensures us the future of Star Wars is not full of hope, but assurance.

 

The Last Jedi is the BEST Star Wars movie since The Empire Strikes Back. Thank you Rian Johnson.

 

RATING: 98/100

 

 

 

You can find me on Twitter @JohnnyHoey and our official podcast The Resistance Broadcast @RBatSWNN

 

(Beware, while this article does not contain spoilers for The Last Jedi, there might be spoilers by readers in the comments section below)

 

 

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John Hoey is the Lead Editor and Senior Writer for Star Wars News Net and the host of The Resistance Broadcast podcast

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1,099 thoughts on “Review – Star Wars: The Last Jedi – A Generationally Unifying Masterpiece

  • December 12, 2017 at 7:11 pm
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    Just read BMD’s review before jumping over here. I do not want to start getting hyped but…holy shit, I’m getting hyped here. It sounds smart and nuanced, isn’t afraid to be a little contemplative, and like it has something to actually say. Phasma still sucks, but everyone else is given meaningful work to do. Hate that I won’t be there until boxing day 🙁

  • December 12, 2017 at 7:15 pm
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    Started reading then stopped myself. I only have to wait another day and a bit!
    Be back Thursday afternoon. 🙂

  • December 12, 2017 at 7:23 pm
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    lol at the Scorpion King reference. I want to make Dwayne Johnson a poster of that awful shot(s).

    • December 12, 2017 at 8:00 pm
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      thanks hahaha, how bad was that?

      • December 12, 2017 at 9:19 pm
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        It looked like Ursula.

  • December 12, 2017 at 7:24 pm
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    I pray to God the spoilers leaked are not true.
    I’m going in with an open mind, and I hope it isn’t TOO different.

    • December 12, 2017 at 8:39 pm
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      They are true.

    • December 12, 2017 at 8:57 pm
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      TFA – “It’s just a rehash of ANH, boo!” TLJ – “It’s too different, boo!” Sigh.

      • December 12, 2017 at 9:12 pm
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        well, it was a rehash admittedly so by JJ… If too different has to do with killing everyone and making no connection to original arcs or events from the TFA…then maybe too different has some validity.

        It’s ashamed that they missed the opportunity to reunite the original cast, and have all that they worked for in the OT just wasted…imo.

        • December 12, 2017 at 11:59 pm
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          I would think “too different” is not the problem. The real problem is making something completely out of place…so out of place that it’s a stand alone film within a saga of at least 9 films.

          That is what I would consider quite the problem.

          • December 13, 2017 at 1:30 am
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            that makes sense, I agree!

  • December 12, 2017 at 7:30 pm
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    98/100

    Is this a 90’s video game review? 😉

    • December 12, 2017 at 7:44 pm
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      it’s using the scale employed by RT, which most people go to now. I also gave it 5 stars as you see above. If you want to divide it down to out of ten it would be 9.8.

  • December 12, 2017 at 7:30 pm
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    If the leaks are true, you can’t honestly call this a “GENERATIONALLY UNIFYING MASTERPIECE.” It’s a Generationally Steaming Pile of $#!+, p!$$!ng all over George Lucas and the OT and the fans.

    • December 12, 2017 at 8:14 pm
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      It does appear that the leaks are accurate…while it may be a good movie, it certainly goes against the previous 6 and does not give satisfying resolution to questions brought up in TFA….so I am told. we will have to see for our selves I suppose, but my heart breaks at some of the things that they have done.

    • December 13, 2017 at 7:55 pm
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      Move on then whiner.

  • December 12, 2017 at 7:33 pm
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    Can’t wait and I am excited to see this new different Star Wars.

  • December 12, 2017 at 7:34 pm
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    if that’s a 98 score review, wth is a 100 ?

    • December 12, 2017 at 7:43 pm
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      nothing, and TESB is 99.

    • December 12, 2017 at 8:23 pm
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      Forrest Gump….and maybe The Goonies.

      • December 12, 2017 at 9:07 pm
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        Forrest Gump! yep….Goonies…100? lol

        • December 12, 2017 at 10:50 pm
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          On a purely nostalgic and emotional level. 🙂

    • December 13, 2017 at 5:00 am
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      Theres no such thing as a perfect movie.

  • December 12, 2017 at 7:35 pm
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    My hype gauge’s needle just broke off and the spindle it was attached to is wildly spinning at an increasing rate.

  • December 12, 2017 at 7:47 pm
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    Thanks for this spoiler-free review. You really did a good job hyping what you loved without letting us too far in.

    • December 12, 2017 at 8:00 pm
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      thank you! 🙂

  • December 12, 2017 at 7:59 pm
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    Dear Lord… Only read first lines. I know is non spoiler but i wilI keep this review for friday night.
    Oh my God… I can’t wait!

  • December 12, 2017 at 7:59 pm
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    Thank you, John, for an amazing review. I decided this is the only review I need, because I’ve heard not all the reviewers are as thoughtful as you.

    • December 12, 2017 at 8:00 pm
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      thanks Jelena!

  • December 12, 2017 at 8:15 pm
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    John.

    Just to be this into perspective. What do you rate The Force Awakens, Rogue One, and Attack of the Clones?

    Nice review by the way.

      • December 12, 2017 at 10:31 pm
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        The only change I would make here would be to put TFA below Rogue One, otherwise agree, though I still need to see TLJ.

        • December 13, 2017 at 12:28 am
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          If you omit The Last Jedi, this would be exactly the same order as mine. Although, some of the scores are a little generous in my opinion.

      • December 13, 2017 at 1:52 am
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        Rogue One below ROTS? Come on. It’s the best prequel but that’s not saying much. R1 was outstanding.

        • December 13, 2017 at 2:27 am
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          My mistake. Switch Rogue One and Revenge of the Sith around. I really didn’t think it was all that great of a movie. It was event, rather than character driven.

    • December 12, 2017 at 9:48 pm
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      Thank you

  • December 12, 2017 at 8:22 pm
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    Opens up at 93% on Rotten Tomatoes with over 100 reviews

    • December 12, 2017 at 9:45 pm
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      Got nowhere to go but down..

  • December 12, 2017 at 8:47 pm
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    I haven’t read the leaks and I won’t, but the only thing I want spoiled is if Luke uses his green lightsaber, or any other lightsaber in combat. If not then at least I won’t be let down during the movie.

    • December 12, 2017 at 9:29 pm
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      No, but we see it in a very haunting/chilling flashback, it’s so good.

      • December 12, 2017 at 9:32 pm
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        Works for me. Thanks!

        • December 12, 2017 at 9:50 pm
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          You’re welcome, i hope you enjoy the movie as much as i did!

          • December 12, 2017 at 9:53 pm
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            Going on saturday, so I’m pretty hyped! Though avoiding spoilers is going to be hard this time I think.

  • December 12, 2017 at 9:05 pm
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    “Whether you are an old-school original trilogy stalwart, a proud “prequelist”, or a sequel trilogy newbie”

    Did you accidently or intentionally leave out fans of the EU?

    • December 12, 2017 at 9:45 pm
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      I wrote this from a canonical perspective, as EU no longer exists. That is not to disparage fans of it either, just a different universe.

      • December 12, 2017 at 9:57 pm
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        Well it does exist they are still selling the books. And since that is a large demographic of the fan base, and a hot topic issue, seems worth covering.

        • December 12, 2017 at 10:39 pm
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          It sounds like it’s got a strong story, well written characters and compelling drama. If you’re a fan of the EU, you’ll hate it and should skip the film.

          • December 12, 2017 at 10:48 pm
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            Seems like you are a fan of my comments.

          • December 13, 2017 at 2:49 am
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            Well, they’re more coherent and entertaining than anything featuring Kyp Durroon at any rate.

    • December 12, 2017 at 11:19 pm
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      One would think that the vast majority of SW fans are those who came to the franchise through one of the trilogies and have a preference as a result. The movies are and always will be the primary material.

      • December 13, 2017 at 1:05 am
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        15 million copies of The Thrawn Trilogy were sold alone. Then we have 30 more years of books on top of that. The books are just as much a part of Star Wars as the movies.

  • December 12, 2017 at 9:13 pm
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    “Whether you are an old-school original trilogy stalwart, a proud “prequelist”, or a sequel trilogy newbie, The Last Jedi will challenge your Star Wars conventions.”

    Handheld camera, then?

  • December 12, 2017 at 9:38 pm
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    So it was alright then.

  • December 12, 2017 at 9:45 pm
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    Really miss Darth Vader.

    • December 12, 2017 at 9:50 pm
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      I don’t, Kylo Ren is way more interesting and compelling.

      • December 12, 2017 at 9:51 pm
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        Did you grow up with the OT in the late 70s and 80s?

        • December 12, 2017 at 9:53 pm
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          Nope, i grew up with the PT in the 2000s.

          • December 12, 2017 at 9:53 pm
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            Then I can understand why we differ in a opinion.

          • December 12, 2017 at 9:55 pm
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            By the way, i prefer the OT immensely.

          • December 12, 2017 at 9:56 pm
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            I too, and I also like the PT very much as well.

          • December 12, 2017 at 9:58 pm
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            I like the prequels, although i acknowledge how terrible those films are.

          • December 12, 2017 at 10:00 pm
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            The prequels are flawed, but I can’t bring myself to completely hate them. There are some really good stuff to be found among the bad. They are what they are.

          • December 12, 2017 at 10:08 pm
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            I totally agree.

          • December 13, 2017 at 12:50 am
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            That must have been a very difficult childhood.

          • December 13, 2017 at 12:55 am
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            Don’t even go there.

      • December 12, 2017 at 9:52 pm
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        Not nearly as iconic. Seriously doubt he’ll ever be considered as one of the all-time greatest villains in movie history like Vader is. I like Kylo Ren and he is by far the best of the NEW characters. But he can’t hold a candle to Vader, imo.

        • December 12, 2017 at 9:54 pm
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          Either way, he’s a better character, in my humble opinion.

          • December 13, 2017 at 1:44 am
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            Or Rian Johnson is just a better writer and director than George Lucas.

          • December 13, 2017 at 2:00 am
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            Exactly.

    • December 13, 2017 at 1:30 am
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      Watch the OT

    • December 13, 2017 at 1:45 am
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      Agreed. Not just my favorite SW character, by far, but my all-time favorite character in cinema.

  • December 12, 2017 at 9:46 pm
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    I’ve just seen the movie, and wow, Rian Johnson is my new favorite director and Kylo Ren is my new favorite character.

    If The Last Jedi doesn’t win a few Oscars, then fuck the academy!

    That’s all i’m gonna say for now.

    Excellent review!

  • December 12, 2017 at 9:48 pm
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    All I know is that the movie has won over some of Star Wars’ harshest mainstream movie critics.

    • December 12, 2017 at 10:51 pm
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      Actuallly I think mainstream Critics who are not STAR Wars fans are more likely to rate it positively ( for the visual experience or whatever) than diehard fans who care about the lore .

      • December 12, 2017 at 11:16 pm
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        Indeed. Having read the plot spoilers and reactions to them, it reminds me a bit of Star Trek Into Darkness, which the critics liked but divided Star Trek fans a lot so much that some regarded it as the worst Star Trek movie.

        • December 13, 2017 at 2:28 am
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          Why are you reading that shit dude?

          • December 13, 2017 at 3:00 am
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            Because I enjoy spoilers. It enhances the experience for me.

            I know it isn’t for everyone, but people are different.

  • December 12, 2017 at 10:14 pm
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    It’s looking great so far…
    I really hope the leaks aren’t ture though.

  • December 12, 2017 at 10:15 pm
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    Oh damn … i ran into some spoilers believing that were completely garbage and now i know they are true. i will wait and see but i didnt like at all what i read mostly who survives the movie and who dont

  • December 12, 2017 at 10:34 pm
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    Seriously, I don’t know what Disney does to own the Critics the way it does, but anyone who thinks RJ’s script is a *generational masterpiece* is definitely out of his mind, Enough said !

    • December 12, 2017 at 10:58 pm
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      This seriously sounds like garbage and this reviewer is falling all over himself. I bet he bitches about ewoks and jar jar but will shill for this crap

      • December 12, 2017 at 11:08 pm
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        Well he advised the readers to dare to let go of what they are used to and embrace the unfamiliar, didn’t he ? To be fair, that is the only way you can appreciate RJ’s weird script.
        News

      • December 12, 2017 at 11:25 pm
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        I love ewoks, not a fan of Jar-Jar.

    • December 13, 2017 at 12:53 am
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      1. “…his OR her mind…”
      2. hyperbole much? a deranged gunman who shoots up a school is out of their mind. someone who likes something you don’t just has a difference of an opinion…

    • December 13, 2017 at 1:24 am
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      Same old rhetoric from the same bitter baby fans.

      • December 14, 2017 at 2:35 am
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        God yeah! I’m seeing the film tomorrow and I really hope I’m not queuing with a bunch of whiny crybaby wusses like I’ve been reading the last few days. They haven’t even seen the film but are willing to completely trash the entire franchise over someone else’s poorly written manbaby reactions.

    • December 13, 2017 at 1:43 am
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      Disney literally owns the world.

    • December 13, 2017 at 7:00 am
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      Maybe he just needs to see more movies, not only Marvel CU.

  • December 12, 2017 at 10:36 pm
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    Thanks for the review. I’m especially happy to hear that John Williams’ score is great. I’m guessing Hux doesn’t have much to do but bark orders and polish his boots?

  • December 12, 2017 at 11:19 pm
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    I liked SchmoesKnow’s take on this. I particularly liked how one of them made it clear, the film takes a bit to digest and is better the second and third time around. I felt the same way about TFA. The Force Awakens registered as a rehash with too many unanswered coincidences on first viewing. It took later viewings to realize it was an excellent table setter for the future of the franchise.

    I also like tempered reviews, there are flaws to this film and talking about its weaknesses makes me appreciate the review more, even if I don’t agree with the criticism.

    The “Wow this is amazing” review, feels too much like fan service and pandering.

    I think we’ve got a film here that has ripped the moral compass of the franchise and rewritten the 50’s style sci-fi template of moral clarity and embedded it with a lot of “what aboutism” where everything is morally cluttered and relative.

    Is that a good thing? Quite possibly, but I think many of us who gravitated to the original Star Wars theme that preached, patience, passive strength and kindness as the true source of power and enlightenment may take some time to warm up to this film.

    It’s also CGI heavy and could probably use 10 minutes cut from the film.

    That said, I’m excited and thrilled, it’s a very good time to be a Star Wars fan. But it’s important to review these films with some objective perspective and a review that insists, “you’re gonna like, everyone will love it”, is less of a review and more of an advertisement to the frequent visitors of the site, to just join the party.

    Nothing wrong with that at all, but I personally prefer a more tempered and sober review.

    • December 12, 2017 at 11:24 pm
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      I find that fan sites are most often run by those who love their chosen franchise so much that whatever it puts out they will view it through rose tinted glasses. That’s fine, but not alwayts objective. I usually wait for the dust to settle and read reviews in forum threads to get an overall consensus of what people in and outside of fandom think.

      • December 12, 2017 at 11:28 pm
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        I am pretty objective. You should hear my thoughts on Rogue One, and the prequels sometime!

      • December 12, 2017 at 11:39 pm
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        You’re not wrong. But the reality is that film reviews are always subjective. You can be “objective” in a sense by presenting flaws even if you liked it, or good things about it if you didn’t, but ultimately, even those flaws are subjective. If you liked it, the review will most likely focus on the positive – if not, on the negative. I think it’s encouraging that so many people are liking it though.

      • December 13, 2017 at 1:22 am
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        Okay now take yours off while watching ESB and watch it objectively not because of what everyone else thinks you should think about it. It’s gotten to the point that interviewers will lead actors on. What’s your favorite Star Wars movie/ It’s okay to say ESB everyone does…blah, blah, blah. I personally love ROTJ over ESB any day

        • December 13, 2017 at 1:25 am
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          What makes you think I have rose tinted glasses on for Empire?

          You last sentence is ironic because ROTJ is the film I enjoy the most, even if ESB is a superior movie in terms of quality.

    • December 13, 2017 at 1:42 am
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      Referring to Harloff’s tweets? Yeah, I saw that too. I like that it has re-watchability.

      • December 13, 2017 at 7:44 pm
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        what did harloff say?

        • December 13, 2017 at 8:09 pm
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          First tweet was he needed a second viewing to digest/process….then after, he said 2nd viewing he liked it even more.

          • December 13, 2017 at 8:10 pm
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            I have the Schmoes review in my que to watch later.

  • December 12, 2017 at 11:52 pm
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    I like your review but personally…such bold decisions are made in this film that would normally in reality anger and/or split star wars fans that I somewhat agree with the one comment below about “Rose tinged glasses”.

    Personally, most reviewers that I’ve seen felt that the Canto Bight stuff could’ve been kept out of the film entirely and those scenes horribly slow the film. Yet even with that…most reviewers still give the film like 9/10 or 10/10…that one fact alone would have normally destroyed a films chances or at least brought the film down to reality.

    • December 13, 2017 at 12:02 am
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      I liked the Canto Bight sequence, it was fresh, and the city actually had a way more overlaying impact on the story as an existence more than the scenes that took place there themselves.

    • December 13, 2017 at 12:04 am
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      bold and risky decisions will always split a fandom, to be honest

  • December 13, 2017 at 1:17 am
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    CNN shat on this movie.

    The reviewer compared it to Attack of the Clones, which terrified me, because that is the most God awful Star Wars film of all time.

    I’m officially worried.

    • December 13, 2017 at 1:34 am
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      It’s bad enough to actually read anything CNN shits out, but to actually believe it?

      • December 13, 2017 at 2:57 am
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        Someone mad they beat up on the guy you made a mistake voting for?

        • December 13, 2017 at 4:53 am
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          Reviews are just opinions, form your own after you see the movie. There were always going to be people who disliked this movie no matter what. Clearly the CNN reviewer was one of them. This may be one of those movies thst you don’t like on initial viewing but later end up loving it.

          No Country for Old Men, and Casino Royale were that way for me. So, if I don’t enjoy this Star Wars movie upon the first viewing because of reasons, maybe it will grow on me.

          • December 13, 2017 at 5:56 am
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            Lets not forget ones doing it for SEO reasons.

          • December 13, 2017 at 11:16 pm
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            Only thing freaked me out was the comparison to Clones. I hate that movie.

        • December 13, 2017 at 7:41 pm
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          reel it in….stay outta politics and religion. lol

          • December 13, 2017 at 10:03 pm
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            Look at his screenname. Hell, he has Sean Hannity as his icon. I would be surprised if he DIDN’T find a way to segue into partisan outrage.

          • December 13, 2017 at 11:14 pm
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            He started it. You know I’ll always finish it.

    • December 13, 2017 at 1:46 am
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      One opinion amidst an overwhelming sea of raves.

    • December 13, 2017 at 2:23 am
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      Attack of the Clones!

      We’re doomed!!!

    • December 13, 2017 at 4:44 am
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      i heard from a reliable person that cnn is “very fake news”, so don’t worry. 😉

    • December 13, 2017 at 12:06 pm
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      CNN of course is owned by Time Warner, which doesn’t mean it is not right about TLJ, but a disclaimer is required.

      Personally I can’t see how TLJ is getting those A+ reviews when so many parts of the script are worse than fan fiction.

      • December 13, 2017 at 9:59 pm
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        If it was fan fiction, there would be less fanboys pissed about how it “shits on the canon” – it would be all fan service, poorly conceived or no. I think this film is hitting the other end of the spectrum from TFA – it’s too different to fit into your expectations. Neither Lucas nor Disney will ever win this game.

    • December 13, 2017 at 7:39 pm
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      it sure sounds more like it’s own movie, rather than part of the bigger picture. we’ll see soon!

      • December 13, 2017 at 11:15 pm
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        Squeeeeeee

    • December 13, 2017 at 9:57 pm
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      They didn’t shit on the film in that review, but I agree it’s one of the most confusing critiques I’ve read on it. The bulk of the prose is positive, with strangely contradictory statements throughout. It’s more like “it’s a great film, but my least favorite star wars film. I loved it, but it sucked. Etc.”

    • December 14, 2017 at 7:17 am
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      I enjoyed the battle of Geonosis more than the battle of Crait.

      • December 14, 2017 at 4:00 pm
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        That doesn’t make me feel any better about the movie.

  • December 13, 2017 at 2:28 am
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    Seeing it Saturday morning at 9 AM. 3D Imax (that was all that was available)

  • December 13, 2017 at 2:44 am
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    Only 13 more hours until I’m able to experience this film for myself.

    Whilst the divides within the Star Wars community have perpetually widened, especially so within recent years, I still find it a point of pride to be a part of such a passionate and loyal community.

    I hope that each and every one of you, including the cynics and detractors among us, can at the very least embrace the fact that we’re still able to be transported to a galaxy far, far away. Despite whatever reservations you may have, whether you lament over our beloved Legends stories or despise the direction that the franchise has taken, just allow the film an earnest chance to prove itself worthy of the Star Wars mantle.

    I wish for you all an experience that both challenges and moves you, one that transports you back to your childhood self from the moment that the lights dim and the score thunders through your bones.

    May the Force be with you, always.

    • December 13, 2017 at 5:59 am
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      3pm Thursday TFA then TLJ. Cant wait.

  • December 13, 2017 at 6:58 am
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    TLDR I come here for the news, the reviews have always been a little over the top. Masterpiece? Spoilers: Leia floating in space, shirtless Kylo and new and far fetched jedi powers, along with all the plotholes hardly make tis movie a masterpiece. On the other hand if I got invited to premieres and red carpets maybe I’d say that too.

    • December 13, 2017 at 7:05 am
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      Have you seen it? If so, sorry to hear it didn’t work for you. If you’re just going off of spoiler reports, I’d advise patience; if nothing else, Rian Johnson has proven himself as a film maker enough that at this point he deserves the benefit of the doubt until you’ve seen it for yourself.

      • December 13, 2017 at 4:00 pm
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        Of course it is not a bad movie, nobody expected that but the story choices, it suffers. I think that the fact that all this movies are being made by a commitee (Rian is credited but he himself has aknowledged that he sat for long meetings with the infamous “story group”) that they lack the passion and vision of one man, or maybe I just have high hopes and should just enjoy the ride. The other thing is the fact that Disney thinks they have to kill and degrade the old characters in order to make room for the new (while in the meantime not fleshing out any of the new in a fulfilling manner), Finn had loooots of potential and John is a great actor, I really hope they give him something meaninful to do in 9.

        • December 13, 2017 at 6:25 pm
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          Finn becomes even more expandable in TLJ than he was in TFA and even the “good” critic reviews point out that his subplot is the “boring” part of the movie, which drags too much. In fact, there was no need for TLJ to be 2 and 1/2 hours long as most of the added time doesn’t make it more epic, but rather just more boring in the middle.

          • December 14, 2017 at 2:03 am
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            The Finn / Rose stuff was as boring as I predicted 6 months ago.

          • December 14, 2017 at 12:20 pm
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            Become a professional soothsayer then.

          • December 14, 2017 at 6:47 am
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            Yeah. Remove Finn’s arc from the film, literally NOTHING changes, and then the movie is shorter.

        • December 14, 2017 at 12:21 pm
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          I agree that Finn was a bit wasted in this movie. But he’s still got one shot to shine.

      • December 14, 2017 at 6:47 am
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        I enjoyed Looper more. Some stuff was amazing – some not so much. I actually think the movie suffered from too many characters, and the need to give them all something to do.

        I think you mentioned a friend’s review in a recent post? Some really good, some meh, and some really bad? I think that’s a decent review.

    • December 13, 2017 at 9:55 pm
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      Far-fetched Force powers? See Thrawn trilogy and Dark Empire, the old EU you folks supposedly worship.

    • December 14, 2017 at 7:35 am
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      I’m curious how a concept of pure imagination like The Force…can become “too far fetched?” Here in the real world we have the concept of religion and an invisible man in the sky. Using that barometer my belief in what the force can do is pretty limitless.

      • December 14, 2017 at 3:59 pm
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        Because we were used to a set of rules (and I won’t go into the EU here) and they are bending the rules under the label of “new stuff” to accomodate their vision. Fine, it’s Disney’s SW now, but with every new movie they just seem to re-write everything. So are midichlorians a thing or not, for instance? Could we assume Rey has a high midithing count? The answers all seem to be “whatever”

  • December 13, 2017 at 10:37 am
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    Seen the movie and am torn about it.

    Some spoilers might follow here, so beware:

    I think it works great as a standalone movie but as part of the saga I am not so sure.
    I am ok with the explanation of who Rey is but what about Snoke? I mean where is the backstory to the First Order, its motivations, what is Snoke and the FO up to? How does this fit into the saga?
    Basically we now have the same situation as in the OT. I got the feeling that nothing the Rebels did, did have any meaning. All this talk about the Chosen One or Luke killing the Emperor. All was for naught because we now have the same situation as before?

    Also Luke. I am a bit disappointed. He is supposed to be the most powerful Jedi of all? Couldn’t see this in the movie… Also I couldn’t see how his arc is closed now. Basically he really did not much in the movie and the end… I think it was disappointing. Fans really hoped to see what he is capable of…

    I really hope that Episode 9 answers the remaining questions. Maybe we learn more about Snoke and the FO and get to a place which is really different for the state of the universe. Or will we get a happy RTJ ending again with a new evil looming and a new Empire and new Emperor grasping for control?

    • December 13, 2017 at 4:04 pm
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      Agreed, I can’t believe I’m gonna say this, but I’m looking forward to what JJ does. Disney should’ve never really made more saga movies, or should’ve started a new saga, they are crapping all over the OT, while at the same time profiting from the nostalgia.

      • December 13, 2017 at 9:54 pm
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        And you’re probably one of the same people that said the exact same thing about the prequel trilogy at the time. Lighten up, nothing will ever live up to fanboy head canon.

      • December 14, 2017 at 2:02 am
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        The mistake was Rian Johnson. Had JJ made Ep 8, we would have a VERY different story, with a VERY different outcome. I know the ending would have DIFFERED with JJ.

      • December 15, 2017 at 5:14 am
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        Yeah, lighten up Gerry, this was Carry On Jedi after all.

        • December 15, 2017 at 12:33 pm
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          Get over yourself!

          • December 15, 2017 at 2:23 pm
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            You’re posts deserve to be deleted.

    • December 13, 2017 at 5:29 pm
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      The reason why it works as a standalone is basically that it throws all the previous saga movies under the bus ( and iliterally mean ALL; picture eg the Pope burning down the Vatican and you will understand what I mean ! ). I can’t Honestly understand how só many Critics are saying TLJ is respectful of the canon.

      • December 13, 2017 at 9:52 pm
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        Can you elaborate on how it’s ruining the canon? If you take everything in the film at face value, I can sorta see your point. I don’t take the Rey explanation as definitive, given the source of the info. Do we need to know anything more about the First Order between TFA’s opening crawl and Hux’s speech? In the OT, that’s all the explanation we had for the Empire until Lucas felt the need to create three more films to answer those questions (poorly).

        This is no Godfather III (I get the reference). I get it, y’all wanted the OT characters to follow similar paths that you saw in the EU, you wanted the new trilogy to go in a completely different direction than it did. It’s fine to dislike the new trilogy, but I disagree that it throws everything under the bus. Even the old EU features some of the same themes and moments that are in TLJ (go read Dark Empire again for one.)

        • December 14, 2017 at 12:16 pm
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          Yes, there was a scene which was exactly like one of the greatest moments of Dark Empire (with a major twist though !). When I saw it, I was pretty sure that Johnson drew it from there.

      • December 14, 2017 at 6:45 am
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        I agree.

  • December 13, 2017 at 1:46 pm
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    Just saw it. Brilliant in my opinion. No spoilers from me. Enjoy!

  • December 13, 2017 at 2:34 pm
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    Okay, I’ve seen it. Opened already today (Dec 13th) here in Norway. I understand our transatlantic friends have to wait until Friday. Life’s unfair, dear Americans.

    General impression: Don’t worry, folks, it IS generally good. Not the second coming of cinema, but generally GOOD. It isn’t all hype.

    If anything I fear pre-teen viewers may find it somewhat convoluted.
    It is long and feels long. We have several scenes that feel like they might be the climax, and then I remind myself that we have the entire Battle of Crait to go still.

    There is still lots of stuff that should be better explained, so I hope they are saving the answers for the final installment.

    Microscopic spoilers:

    * I’m not entirely sure, but is this the first time nobody has talked aloud about their “bad feeling about this”? I’m sure they HAD bad feelings, heaven knows they have excellent reasons, but did they mention them?

    * Still minimal referencing of prequel material. The name Darth Sidious is mentioned once. That’s about it.

    * The “no flashbacks” rule is abandoned, if it ever existed. Don’t let it irritate you. (As long as they don’t try to sell us a Star Wars movie in black and white, I’m good.)

    * Still no explanation of how Luke’s lightsaber ended up with Maz Kanata.

    * We’ve never ever seen so much of hyperspace as we see in this film.

    * Look, it’s Gwendolyn Christie! Actual skin and all! Yay! … Oops, that was it, it seems! Don’t blink while it lasts.

    * The burning question of Rey’s origins is sort of adressed, but I very much doubt this is the last word on this issue.

    * R2 clearly hasn’t cleared his harddisk for decades.

    * No set-up for how to explain Leia’s absence in the next one.

    * Somewhat cryptic final scene, that we are meant to debate for the next two years. Is it “there’s another” all over again?

    • December 13, 2017 at 3:26 pm
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      Better than Attack of the Clones Helge?

      • December 13, 2017 at 5:00 pm
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        Better than Attack of the Clones

        • December 13, 2017 at 6:56 pm
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          My mind is assured now.

          • December 14, 2017 at 6:19 am
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            It’s right up there with Empire strikes back. More twists and turns, more humor and more savagery than you’re ever seen.

            Also, the best lightsaber fights, back to Ep5/6 for choreography.

          • December 14, 2017 at 6:43 am
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            yes I enjoyed those fights, but this is the first time I’ve left a Star Wars movies struggling to count the number of times saber actually hits saber in this film?

          • December 14, 2017 at 10:03 am
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            Yes! This is what I want to hear.

            I see it in 3 hours time.

      • December 13, 2017 at 5:59 pm
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        Yes, better than Attack of the Clones. In fact, quite a few movies are better than Attack of the Clones.

        • December 13, 2017 at 6:56 pm
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          All I needed to know.

          Which part of Norge are you from? I lived in Oslo for the best part of 8 years. Caught Revenge of the Sith at the Majorsteun Colosseum. Always remember the buildup. Weeks before the release, there were Star Wars fans camped out in tents outside the kino, cosplaying with lightsabers, etc. I thought it was really cool.

          • December 14, 2017 at 8:01 am
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            I saw it in Bergen, on the Western coast. I don’t know about people camping etc., but there were some cosplayers present at the opening yesterday.

    • December 13, 2017 at 5:21 pm
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      Unless the final scene has some future relevance, it is an awful way to end a film and will probably be the source of jokes all over social media for the next two years . It is as bad as Jar Jar and I don’t like sand IMHO.

      • December 13, 2017 at 9:46 pm
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        Wow, people really hate that final scene. I’m not taking it at face value like so many of you are. I think it there to show that there’s still a spark/ hope around a larger theme, one of the overt messages of the film (ie Poe’s dialogue from the trailer). I’m trying to avoid spoilers, so forgive the vagueness.

        • December 14, 2017 at 6:17 am
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          Yeah, funny thing, people like the literally “hope” scene in R1, but when they visualize it, it suddenly isn’t good anymore

        • December 14, 2017 at 10:23 am
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          I agree. Difficult to discuss without ruining it but your interpretation is right. I think it is about how legends inspire.

      • December 14, 2017 at 12:10 pm
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        I agree, that scene was far from being the best part! The character involved in it was a break of belief to me every time on screen.

      • December 14, 2017 at 5:24 pm
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        Agreed

    • December 13, 2017 at 11:51 pm
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      I might add, also no real explanation about what is in those flippin’ Jedi books.

    • December 14, 2017 at 2:01 am
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      It’s better than the Prequels, but that’s a back-handed compliment in and of itself. I am literally DEVASTATED at how bad that film was.

      • December 14, 2017 at 6:16 am
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        I’m literally devastated by how much you’re trying to ruin the mood for everyone.

      • December 14, 2017 at 7:32 am
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        Jesus Christ…it’s just a god damned movie. Have a shot of whiskey, grab your woman (or man) and go to bed. The sun will rise tomorrow.

    • December 14, 2017 at 12:09 pm
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      Very nice microscopic spoilers. I can’t quite get when Darth Sidious has been mentioned, though.

    • December 14, 2017 at 5:23 pm
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      Oh yeah, you reminded me. R2 was in it. They made great use of him too.

  • December 13, 2017 at 4:08 pm
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    I just want to know one thing before I see it. Is it another kind of rehash like TFA? Or it has enough (or at least more than TFA) originality in it? And do you think it’s beter than TFA?

    • December 13, 2017 at 4:59 pm
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      Not a rehash at all in my opinion. I like TFA, but I think this is better due to the originality.

      • December 13, 2017 at 11:43 pm
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        Yes way better than TFA IMHO….

      • December 14, 2017 at 6:40 am
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        I liked the originality, definitely not an ESB rip-off, which was good.

    • December 13, 2017 at 5:15 pm
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      Definitely not a rehash, more like a reboot of the franchise actually. Contrary to the Critics, I personally prefer TFA.

      • December 14, 2017 at 6:39 am
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        Excellent description.

      • December 14, 2017 at 12:05 pm
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        I agree with this statement, although I prefer, by far, The Last Jedi

  • December 13, 2017 at 7:29 pm
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    Concerning the porgs where do they fall on the “cute character scale”?

    • December 14, 2017 at 4:03 am
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      That’s like asking KFC how they think about chicken.

    • December 14, 2017 at 6:14 am
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      they’re there, but once the action starts going, they’re gone. They’re never ewok or jar-jar level of obnoxious. Think more like gremlins/tribbles light .

  • December 13, 2017 at 7:31 pm
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    6 1/2 hours to go…seen no spoilers as yet…stay on target.

    • December 13, 2017 at 8:17 pm
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      Stay away from spoilers. There’s a lot…

  • December 13, 2017 at 8:02 pm
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    Ever since I started watching Star Wars back in 1977, I realized that there are two groups of Star Wars fans; those that love everything about Star Wars and those that only love A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back and hate everything else. This film will have something for both groups…

    • December 13, 2017 at 8:03 pm
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      Then the EU created the fans that love the eu more than the films itself.

    • December 14, 2017 at 8:41 am
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      This is actually a very good point. I saw the movie last night and with not that much of an audience because it was a private screening. I went into this movie thinking it would be like empire strikes back. DO NOT DO THIS. I’m going to see the movie again tomorrow night with a bigger crowd and enjoy it with them. Again, this is it’s own movie in its own style. You can’t compare it to other star wars movies because none have been done like it.

    • December 14, 2017 at 9:56 pm
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      I seem to be in a camp of my own then. Loved Episodes IV-VIII (inclusive).

  • December 13, 2017 at 8:04 pm
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    I read this whole review and I am totally excited to see it tomorrow nite. I have waited long enough. The last jedi!!!

  • December 13, 2017 at 11:42 pm
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    Thank you for this review , well said , you nailed everything , I agree on all….I’ve just scene it myself & to all that haven’t seen it please stay away from spoilers – you haven’t waited 34 years to see the best sequel & the sequel we all dreamed of to ROTJ to be spoiled…..

  • December 13, 2017 at 11:45 pm
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    One more thing 93% on RT that’s all you need nuff said :

    and Luke Skywalker at his brilliant best !!! absolutely amazing…..

  • December 14, 2017 at 12:08 am
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    This sounds great. I’m very looking forward to it for tomorrow evening.

  • December 14, 2017 at 12:53 am
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    seen it this afternoon, here in Italy this was the first day of screening.

    I pretty much disagree about this being a film that could reunite fans; it is quite divisive, I mean I was very torn by it the moment after I have seen it.
    I don’t think the following is to be considered spoilerific.
    There are two arcs: the Luke/Rey/ForceKylo/Snoke arc was outstanding, while the Finn/Poe/Resistance arc felt a bit underwhelming. That’s partially because I did not notice that there’s a time shift between the two: the first one takes several days, maybe a week, the latter one just 24 hours. That is why the Resistance arc seems too long and ‘boring’. On the other hand, the other arc gives huge shocks! There’s not that many huge revelations though, I expected more. Though, what is revealed, changes the perspective on the Prequels a bit, finally giving credit to some of the most criticised choices in them. Also, the film does not even slightly remind of ESB. If I must choose an OT film close to it, I would pick ROTJ, but even that one just partially.
    Considered the aforementioned things, I can totally understand those who will hate the film, due to the underwhelmingness of the Resistance arc, and maybe they will not like what is settled in the other story arc. That said, I choose to stay on the side of the fans of the film.

    • December 14, 2017 at 1:21 am
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      So much FILLER in the middle of this film ! My god, I NEVER thought I would say a SW film was too long.

      • December 14, 2017 at 1:36 am
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        to be fair, what you might consider the filler part took place in the first half. I know because our cinema had a pop-corn break at the 1h10m mark, and afterwards started most of the best action the film included.

        • December 14, 2017 at 1:39 am
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          Filler was filler and yes everyone took their bathroom break during Canto / Finn / Rose / CGI Horses.

          • December 14, 2017 at 1:44 am
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            I’m not sure you fully understood what I wrote in my previous comments. Noone left the room while the screening occured, where I was. The whole Canto Bight part took indeed place before the break that the cinema put at about one hour in-film, so despite it being a ‘filler’, it didn’t really eat up the most part of the film, or its best part.

          • December 14, 2017 at 6:12 am
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            you are just an extreme sour-puss, Saw it twice here in Taiwan and literally no-one moved, people took their time once the credits started rolling to let their emotions go, because this is a very emotional movie.

            Can you please take a few days to shut-the-fuck-up with your sour vinegar piss all over this topic?

          • December 14, 2017 at 9:44 am
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            I’m very positive when it comes to SW — but not Rian Johnson’s Matrix-Anime-wanna-be star wars. It was not good, and the fandom is SEVERELY split over it.

          • December 14, 2017 at 10:20 am
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            No, the fandom is far from split over it, both critics and fans give it an overwhelmingly positive rating, RottenTomatoes actually went UP now it opened in more countries.

            The only people I know that don’t like it, are the people that enjoy the Fast and the Furious, and the Hangover movies. Everyone else, with a modicum of taste enjoyed the hell out of it (men AND women)

          • December 14, 2017 at 6:38 am
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            Hahahaha!!!!! That’s exactly what I did! People asked me later if I was ok, because I bolted outside, but it was just so obvious what was going to happen, and I needed to pee!

      • December 14, 2017 at 6:31 am
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        Again, I agree. Cutting out Finn and Rose’s arcs would not damage the film in any way at all. Maybe that’s something for the Special Editions? 🙂

        • December 14, 2017 at 8:58 pm
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          Which means Finn became expandable. That is sad as he was a character with so much potential on TFA, which JJ and RJ simply wasted.

  • December 14, 2017 at 1:20 am
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    Well here we all. I saw the Film. I won’t spoil anything here or talk specifics till next week. But I am literally DEVASTATED at how BAD this movie was. Before writing #TheLastJedi, I seriously think Rian Johnson did Acid, read all the Rey/Luke/Kylo Fan Theories, and then watched Harry Potter, and The Matrix

    • December 14, 2017 at 4:01 am
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      Yeah, but you were biased from the get go.

      Anyhoo. I loved it, though it’s gonna take a long – a long – time for me to let it all sink in..

        • December 14, 2017 at 2:06 pm
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          Or did you try and find elements to fit with your point of view, like posting one of the (for the moment) few less positive reviews?

          Because here are a bunch of ’em and they’re mostly positive:

          http://www.metacritic.com/movie/star-wars-episode-viii—the-last-jedi/critic-reviews

          Anyway, I’m sorry you didn’t like it. Perhaps a second viewing might change it a bit.

          However, this film proves that Star Wars from now on going in new directions, so if you’re only a fan of ANH and ESB, then these must be hard times for you.

          Anyhoo, I’m seeing it again this afternoon.

          Peace.

        • December 14, 2017 at 8:56 pm
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          BTW, that CNN review is counted as “fresh” on Rotten Tomatoes. How is that possible ?

        • December 14, 2017 at 11:47 pm
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          You’ve been hating on this film for months now – no surprise you hated it when it finally came out.
          I’ve just seen it and, bar a few tiny gripes it was fantastic. I can’t wait to see it again.
          You’re nothing but a bitter baby.

          • December 15, 2017 at 12:54 am
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            I felt like I was watching Space Balls or some Robot Chicken Star Wars spoof. If you’re looking for a slapstick car crash with no heart, pathos or tension, The Last Jedi is the film for you.

            So much is destroyed in the two and a half hours this film spans. Luke, the purest of heart, the one character that is seemingly impossible to ruin, is stripped of all his character and charm for no apparent reason.

            Nothing in this film seems to serve a purpose. And even when we think there is some sort of plot – no! We are then told that the light and the dark are fairly interchangeable, that no side is a good side… except when in the end it matters again?

            Domhnall Gleeson’s character is more of a caricature, being thrown about like a rag doll, completely undermining the power of the villainous FO. Leia survives the most ridiculous explosion and exposure to space. Who is Snoke? Who is Rose? Why is every moment of possible tension destroyed by a cheap joke, making this film more like the soulless void of the Marvel franchise or a money-grabbing Disney film?

            Why can none of the actors act? This film poses so many questions regarding the script, it’s plot, and sadly, the industry as a whole.

            Watching The Last Jedi was like watching an old friend suffer an undignified death. All I can think to do is get drunk and pretend it was a bad dream.

          • December 15, 2017 at 12:40 pm
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            You must have been very lucky in life to have something like this film cause so much angst.
            Not a single person in the cinema I was at came out looking remotely upset with what they’d seen, and they all looked like super Star Wars nerds to me. I guess if you like something you don’t make a fuss, otherwise the few sourpusses like you and Kent would be drowned out in a sea of positivism.

          • December 15, 2017 at 2:13 pm
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            Your the same type that I’ve seen online now for years a Prequel lover, and it’s obvious now that this new movie – in something I feared Disney would do – panders to your special little head. You’ve got low standards, credulously buy into whatever BS the filmmakers put out to explain their sh*tshow and are easily pleased by silly childish humour. You’re blind to the utter vacuousness of the obligatory and pointless cgi action sequences that infest modern day blockbusters and deaf to the risible dialogue that no normal human being would ever engage in. Like many Americans you’re allergic to criticism or negativity because that’s the way you’re all brought up – everyone gets a medal, yay, everyone is brilliant in their own special way, yay – positivity for positivity’s sake, will make the world a nicer place, so let’s all bury our heads in the sand when it comes to unpleasant realities. HAVE A NIIICE DAAAY!!

          • December 15, 2017 at 6:51 pm
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            Lol you’ve got me pegged so wrong. The prequels are largely poor, but I can admit the story behind them is great.
            You’re the princess here snowflake. Keep cryin’

          • December 15, 2017 at 6:55 pm
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            Oh and by the way – pure Brit; just another assumption of yours that’s way off the mark, just like everything else in your sad life.

          • December 16, 2017 at 12:36 am
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            You think the Prequel’s story is great, so no, I don’t have you pegged wrong at all, I’m spot on. Princess, Snowflake – good Lord is that the best you’ve got – playground names. LOL!

          • December 16, 2017 at 1:39 am
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            What I haven’t got is time to argue with a prat like you. Enjoy crapping on the film kid. I’ve got better things to do with much better people.

          • December 16, 2017 at 3:53 am
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            As I’ve said already you haven’t argued anything, you don’t know how, all you’ve done is engage in childish name calling, the typical response of people like you. I can well believe that you’re off to spend time with your betters and that you’ll have no problem finding them.

  • December 14, 2017 at 1:22 am
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    The movie extremely finishes the process of handing the torch to the new generation. This can make you feel happy or sad. Me I still can’t decide. Sure it is an original movie, with an extremized plot. I praise it for the courage,but I don’t know if I can accept the treatment of the legacy began with TFA and carried on by TLJ. I’m torn. So I can’t be so enthusiastic like this review, but I know this website doesn’t shine for criticism

    • December 14, 2017 at 1:32 am
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      The film was DISrespectful to BOTH franchise-characters and fans. Worst dialogue / comedy ever in a SW film. The first SW film to be “too long”. Rian destroyed this trilogy, as I forecast months and months ago.

      • December 14, 2017 at 2:26 am
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        I don’t generally agree with your point of view but this movie really underwhelmed me. I don’t necessarily think it’s Rian Johnson’s fault though. I am more excited about the spinoff movies and maybe even his own trilogy. I’m just over the skywalker saga. The sequel trilogy is pissing on the OT

        That matrx moment was so stupid. But hey this is a movie aimed at kids.

        • December 14, 2017 at 3:12 am
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          Hi Kylo – I actually have a very positive viewpoint of SW. My negativity has only been for the exact same reasons that you disliked the current movie. So, you and me actually agree more than you might think.

          The fault of the film WAS Rian Johnson’s — as the writer, the director, and the Creative Force behind the film.

          It did NOT feel Star Wars — the colors, the editing, the camera angles — something felt “off” from Start to Finish.

          • December 14, 2017 at 3:39 am
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            He sounds like a genius when he’s talking but that movie was nothing special. The one moment where I genuinely felt intrigued by the story was when Snoke reveals he was the puppet master.

            The rest is just fan-service really. It explores some new ideas, but I thought they’d head in a more unexpected direction with rey and Kylo. Instead they teasted the idea and flipped it back to good guy is good guy and bad guy is bad guy. And something about Kylo Ren/Adam Driver in the second half of the movie was off putting.

            I really don’t think Mark was ‘amazing’ in the role. It was different but come on, he was cracking quips way too often. Took me out of the movie. Idk I see that this movie would appeal very much to the child fan, but it just seemed pretty shallow in terms of storytelling. And Rey’s character development is every other jedi ever. Her gustave was admirable but it just appeared out of nowhere. She was confused for like 10 minutes in the entire movie,

            The music was really dull in this movie. They reused the same theme so many times too. I just wish they’d really bring something completely new to the table. Because there was still plenty of nostalgia pandering in this movie. How they treated Snoke was the bigget disappoint for me. He can manipulate the mind of somebody across the side of the galaxy, but he can’t sense a moving lightsaber right besides him? Nah uh. That’s just dumb.

            It feels like they’re paying tribute to the OT with this sequel trilogy. It doesn’t actually have anything to do with canon.

          • December 14, 2017 at 4:38 am
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            But they aren’t paying tribute to the OT — that treatment of Luke was SO beyond disrespectful to the character and his legacy, I will never get over it.

          • December 14, 2017 at 6:29 am
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            I just saw it. Firstly, good on you for not spoiling anything for those who haven’t seen it yet, that’s very decent of you, I’m sure they appreciate it.

            Secondly, I agree with you about Luke, but I need to see it again to clarify some things. I just don’t buy that explanation of ‘what happened’. I would almost rather they had left the legacy characters in the past.

          • December 14, 2017 at 7:48 am
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            Yeah I saw it a few days ago and have just been STUNNED. There’s a reason I have been dogging on Rian Johnson for months on end, and now you see why…. I’m devastated.

          • December 14, 2017 at 5:24 pm
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            There was only one fan-service moment for me, and that was actually the best bit of the film… The “wow! look who it is” moment. The rest just didn’t feel like the familiar Star Wars I know and love.

        • December 14, 2017 at 12:03 pm
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          I think we shall all agree, sooner or later, that indeed this Matrix scene was a mistake.

          • December 14, 2017 at 12:06 pm
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            Hahaha yes oh my god whyyyyyyyy

    • December 14, 2017 at 1:35 am
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      And WHY hand the torch off when you can have a Trilogy that celebrates BOTH SW generations? Why is it one or the other? What made TFA so great was the CONFLUENCE of the Classic Charaters WITH the newbies.

    • December 14, 2017 at 3:21 am
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      Made me feel sad but it was a good movie. Without sequels the original characters were frozen in time and somehow immortalized. Each fan had some imagination about what came before and after. Filling that in with books or movies was always going to fly in face of the imagination of some fans.

      • December 14, 2017 at 10:25 am
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        Yes you’re right. Probably that’s the biggest “problem”! But of all choices they could have made I think they picked the worst. I would have preferred they chose to just use new characters and keep the old ones as background/guest stars without deciding to erase all good they made with their actions to move on the story. I too think this was a good movie, but the basical choices they made to bring this trilogy in motion cannot make me love this movie

  • December 14, 2017 at 2:15 am
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    I’ve never left a star wars movie feeling disappointed. The visuals were good and it had a lot of heart. But the music was generic and didn’t really bring anything new to the table. Rey’s dialogue was luke 2.0. It had some new stuff but it was swimming in fan-service and things we’ve already seen so many times. Snoke showed so much promise. And the humour, oh my god so many times it was a miss. The biggest problem is that they don’t give this film it’s own identity. I think it was a mistake to include the legacy characters.

    I’ll watch it again though before I decide to give up on the Disney Star Wars movies.

    • December 14, 2017 at 3:10 am
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      I agree — but I disagree that the Legacy Characters COULD have been amazing. As I predicted a year ago, Rian was DISrespectful to Luke Skywalker, the character, and Mark Hamill, the man.

      And you are RIGHT — the Comedy was the WORST ever in a SW film. Even comparing to the reviled Prequels.

      • December 14, 2017 at 3:25 am
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        I think Luke was the best part – and especially Mark Hamill’s portrayal.

        • December 14, 2017 at 4:26 am
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          Luke was absolutely the best part — but could have been treated far better. I can’t say much else till everyone here sees it.

      • December 14, 2017 at 4:47 pm
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        Was there racist fish lizards stepping in space cow excrement? or dialogue like ‘at least R2 is here to protect us’? The comedy is prequels was dire

  • December 14, 2017 at 5:37 am
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    I am just back from the Cinema and it’s 3:30am…i had written a huge rant here but decided to delete it as it would not be fair to those who have not seen it…so i’ll just give you one word about how the movie made me feel…FURIOUS.

    • December 14, 2017 at 7:47 am
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      I’m with you brother. I’m DEVASTATED it was so bad.

      • December 14, 2017 at 10:18 am
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        As a fellow fan I am sad for you guys. How you get from this movie to furious and devastated is beyond me. I can understand though if you had a preconceived idea how it should be then you can get disappointed.

        My advice – If you don’t like it just ignore it. I personally never bought into the EU books. You always have the original trilogy to hold onto as the original vision.

        As quirky as the prequel trilogy was, I was still interested to see the original vision of George Lucas for the sequels. Nevertheless I think JJ and Rian have both done a great job.

        • December 14, 2017 at 12:08 pm
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          I never read the EU i had no expectations around it, i stayed away from spoilers and only watched the trailers and stopped watching Movie News on Jedi Council around 6 weeks ago so i was going in pretty raw. It was the way they handled the imporant things (Rey’s parentage, Snoke, Hux’s ham acting) and the biggest of all, we wait 30+ years to see Jedi Master baddas Luke Skywalker and we get “that”.
          The floating in space part ?!? As Han would say “That’s not how the force works” how that passed the Lucasfilm storyboard i’ll never know.

          I’m sorry, so much of this movie had me scratching my head at times, i need to see it again now those shocks are out of the way but i was stunned last night…the first ten minutes up until Luke is handed the Saber honestly made me want to scream at the screen…yeah Star Wars is cheesy but this was like a comedy sketch with the actors…i was waiting on Luke bursting into song “Hi Hux can you hear me” wtf?

          Never ever felt like this after watching a Star Wars movie, please tell me it gets better on 2nd viewing now i have digested the shocks.

          • December 14, 2017 at 12:13 pm
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            Goddamn I hated that Poe Hux back and forth in the beginning. There’s comedy that fits the character and the scene, and then there’s a failed SNL sketch

          • December 14, 2017 at 1:12 pm
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            Luke is not what you expected but he is awesome. By ROTJ this was the guy that was strong in a different way than badass. Take that forwards and I think Rian made something really interesting.

          • December 14, 2017 at 8:51 pm
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            [WARNING: SPOILERS AHEAD]

            How is he awesome trying to kill his nephew in his sleep ? He didn’t agree to kill his father, who was the biggest villain in the galaxy, even though everybody (including Yoda and Obi-Wan) told him he had to do it to save the world, and then he is willing to kill his 20-year, untrained nephew as a PREEMPTIVE strike without even discussing the issue first with the boy’s mother ? It is totally out of character.

            And the way Luke met his demise is not epic at all. It is actually preposterous by its physical absurdity, as it is also BTW Superman Leia or Leia Poppins as they are calling her.

          • December 14, 2017 at 1:16 pm
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            Rey’s parentage and Snoke may be still up for debate. Canto Bight also may be of relevance later. I would hold on before passing any judgement on those.

          • December 14, 2017 at 8:42 pm
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            I am still clinging to the hope that Rey’s parentage is not a closed case and may be re-visited in Episode IX, but, given who is in charge of this trilogy, I guess it’s just hope at this point.

          • December 14, 2017 at 10:27 pm
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            Kylo could have been lying, that was mt first thought.

        • December 14, 2017 at 12:12 pm
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          I liked The Force Awakens. I’m a hardcore Star Wars fan but I also don’t want to see what makes SW so special get used and abused. This movie was a lot of fan-service and nostalgia. Other than the poor choice in dialogue for Rey and Kylo (kylo’s was okay), I’m hopeful that IX will reach for the stars. It just seems lazy what they did with these characters. Right around the time Rey learns that Kylo could be saved, they changed her to Luke Skywalker 2.0 – as he was in the OT

          It’ll be interesting to see how Kylo steps up to the leader role. Because he’s not the leader type.

          • December 14, 2017 at 1:00 pm
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            Rey seems to me much colder and closed than Luke was. Luke was all about friendship, Rey only talks about the cause. She’s more like Leia in that sense, though Leia was a very warm character.

        • December 14, 2017 at 5:11 pm
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          I like your attitude.
          I’m starting to see this new trilogy as EU. I can enjoy it for what it is but as far as I’m concerned it’s fan fiction.
          I would love to read what George wrote for the sequels and hope one day they’ll turn up.

      • December 15, 2017 at 1:07 am
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        You decided that months ago. Nothing he could’ve done would’ve changed a mind already made up.

    • December 14, 2017 at 12:09 pm
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      Snoke was wasted. Absolutely.

  • December 14, 2017 at 6:24 am
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    No bathroom breaks?! Wrong! The fathier chase through the city. From the moment it starts, you know how it will end, and you know it will give you a couple of minutes to pee 🙂

    • December 14, 2017 at 5:07 pm
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      I held it in because I’m hardcore.

      Then ran to the bathroom barely making it in time.

    • December 14, 2017 at 9:47 pm
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      Yeah, I went then, all over the screen.

  • December 14, 2017 at 10:47 am
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    Anyone who calls this a masterful Movie is obviously on drugs. WTF, That Leia thing was idiotic, Poe is so wrong cast he makes Jar Jar a great character.

    • December 15, 2017 at 12:43 pm
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      It was not a masterful movie. There’s a lot of little things to gripe about. Some on here however act like they’re about 2 minutes away from slitting their wrists over it. Totally over the top, and frankly they make the entire Star Wars community look embarrassingly bad.

  • December 14, 2017 at 10:52 am
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    Those horse creatures ? WTF was that abomination?? They should have called the movie: tha Farce awakens…

  • December 14, 2017 at 11:41 am
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    I dont get the hate its getting, the Canto Bight is great and explores the world the way the TFA does not. I do not want to give spoilers away but what I took away from the movie was that oppression creates the conditions for hope (all the way up to that final scene which shows how much Johnson understands the essence of this franchise) and looking at things as black and white skews our perspective over time. This perspective needs to be challenged or we hold on too tight which isolates us and we fall out of life. Very respectful of the original trilogy while also making a point that nostalgia needs to be discarded at some point. Loved every minute of it and going to see it again tonight.

    Ps was a Collider fan up to this year, but there have been some great movies this year that Harloff has completely missed the point of. I get he is a fan of the lore of SW, but he doesnt understand emotional pay off and the subtext that can make you feel something without understanding why.

    • December 15, 2017 at 11:54 am
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      Such great points. I feel like the critiques are completely missing the emotional journeys of these characters in this film.

  • December 14, 2017 at 11:56 am
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    This review really nails what I think made The Last Jedi so great -the feeling that victory is not granted, that bold plans can turn sour, and that you can’t really expect what’s coming.

    I think this movie is going to divide deeply the fandom between those who were pleased with the rehearsal, idolatrous, old fans-patting attitude of TFA, and those who were disappointed or even infuriated by it because it had so little originality in it. The first kind is likely not to like The Last Jedi, while the second one will just be immensely and delightfully pleased by what is one of the greatest Star Wars movies ever.

    TFA and Rogue One were completely predictable. They were also anti-prequel in that they were heavily worshipping the OT. The Last Jedi cannot be said to be anti-prequel even though I didn’t pick up any special references to it, because it’s not oriented towards the OT either. It’s something new, something that moves on. It does not dwindle on the past.

    I personally loved Luke’s treatment. He’s much greater after this. He reaches a complete new level of heroism. But I think the most shiny character is Leia; she enlightens the movie. Also you will see a lot more Billie Lourd.

    As for Poe Dameron, he has much more screen time. Since the character has been well fleshed up by the comics series, that’s quite great. There is a very deep coherence regarding the character treatment in both media.

    The porgs are fun as background elements and nothing more. Perfect dosage, I would say.

    Admittedly, the “Canto Bight” scenes were the poorest. Also there was a big mystery element on the island which did not lead to anything significant, and that was a bit disappointing.

    • December 15, 2017 at 11:52 am
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      Really well said and I think spot on for a lot of people. I somehow liked both TFA and TLJ quite a bit, despite their flaws.

    • December 15, 2017 at 11:52 am
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      Really well said and I think spot on for a lot of people. I somehow liked both TFA and TLJ quite a bit, despite their flaws.

  • December 14, 2017 at 2:52 pm
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    I usually don’t rant on the internet. I’m sure everyone involved in making this movie is a very nice person, and I wish them the best…. but…. I didn’t like this movie at all. I thought it was all over the place with very bad pacing. Many storylines were redundant or unnecessary. The whole story was just plain weird. It was not for me, I’m very disappointed. 🙁

    • December 14, 2017 at 9:46 pm
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      That’s an extremely charitable and restrained post Lucas. You have every right to be disappointed.

  • December 14, 2017 at 3:10 pm
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    Sadly, I give it 5/10. I’m so disappointed. Old characters are wasted, and new ones are pointless. Dialogues are poorly written, embarassing at times, not to mention the rushed plot. What’s happened to the SW glorious franchise? Mark Hamill was totally right to “fundamentally disagree with virtually everything” with the director.

    • December 14, 2017 at 11:42 pm
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      Rian was horrible, I knew it and I warned everyone for a year,

      • December 15, 2017 at 9:37 pm
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        I’m sorry I didn’t believe you. You used to annoy me because I was such a big Rian Johnson fan before seeing TLJ. I didn’t like Looper at all, I was a fan of his older films, Brick and Brothers Bloom. I think something changed about him since then. And you were right about him.

        • December 16, 2017 at 12:38 am
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          You have to see what he’s doing here, guys. He’s taking your predictability and turning it on it’s head, which is the point. Everything you thought was set up in 7 ended up being the wrong questions, which is what Luke/[and even Yoda] says in the movie.

      • December 16, 2017 at 12:13 am
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        Oh well. I’m sure you’ll get over it.

    • December 14, 2017 at 11:48 pm
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      I agree. I left the cinema feeling torn inside. I’m going to watch Rogue One for a feel good.

  • December 14, 2017 at 3:23 pm
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    Shocked by the hate! This movie really established the peril seen through the eyes of the Resistance. from the first scene we were set up with the lesson of learning from mistakes. I thought this was the darkest SW movie to date. Not necessarily with the look and plot, but the emotion and desperation of survival. The first order acted the way the Empire should have in previous movies – ruthless and powerful.
    I loved the fact this did not go in the way i thought and Luke literally acted out of his skin, he was awesome.

    I cant wait to watch this again – its brave, ballsy and generally executed well.
    As for complaints of the humour, the whole cinema laughed out loud at every comedic part. Must be the awesome UK sense of humour.

    It will be interesting to see how JJ follows this one

    • December 14, 2017 at 4:10 pm
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      Well, in France too people were laughing pretty loudly… But, true, we are accustomed to British humour, and we love it so much!

    • December 14, 2017 at 11:59 pm
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      Everyone seemed to love it at the cinema I saw it at today.
      Not a single sour expression on the way out and lots of positive comments.

  • December 14, 2017 at 4:39 pm
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    98/100? Have we just seen the same film here? Everything the Force Awakens built up in terms of characters, storyline and intrigue has just been wiped out. I’m actually not that enthused for Episode IX now. Such a shame.

    • December 14, 2017 at 5:02 pm
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      Not a fan of TFA, but I have to agree with you

    • December 14, 2017 at 5:11 pm
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      Yeah I’ve kind of lost interest in this trilogy. I do however look forward to something that doesn’t rely on the OT. It’s a shame because I thought TLJ would be its own thing. But the music was so generic and copy paste, and it almost feels like the main cast, the new characters, are actors getting to play characters that were only created to pay tribute to the original trilogy. This movie doesn’t have the star wars magic. I can’t believe I left that movie feeling disappointed. Disney is creating their Star Wars movies like the marvel movies – good entertainment but it’s something I don’t really care about once I leave the theater.

      TLJ Hux is a completely different character to who he was in TFA. Rey spits out paraphrased lines spoken by Luke in the OT, and what they did with Snoke was criminal. I’m seeing it for the second time, but the last couple of days I’m trying to wrap my head around this movie. I hate when they fans are making these star wars movies.

      Waits for self-righteous fanbois to call me a hater. I’m the complete opposite. The new Star Wars movies are made for the general audience, not for the people who live and breath these movies.

      • December 14, 2017 at 10:30 pm
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        Well, as long as you keep writing interesting reviews, I don’t see why I would lash out against you, although I count myself among the fanboys for this one!

        Actually this one was the only Disney Star Wars movie to not leave me disappointed… Opinions differ. But I can understand your point of view.

      • December 17, 2017 at 5:15 pm
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        Opposite. This movie made me gain interest. TLJ didn’t always work for me. But This was the first SW movie I’ve ever seen where I didn’t feel like I knew what I was going to see. I had no idea what was going to happen.

        And I love that EVERY internet theory I read leading up to this film was wrong.

        Not a perfect film, but it was different. I give it a lot of credit for that. And I think the things that didn’t work for me will diminish with repeated viewings.

        • December 17, 2017 at 10:31 pm
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          Yeah this was my opinion after seeing the movie the first time. I was caught off guard let’s put it that way. But I’m really liking it now. Seeing it a third time tonight.

    • December 15, 2017 at 10:02 am
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      Me neither, and the strong homophobic undertones really make me question Rian Johnson’s state of mind when making this movie.

      • December 15, 2017 at 9:34 pm
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        What homophobic undertones?

      • December 16, 2017 at 12:12 am
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        “homophobic undertones”? Are you a hillbilly redneck?

        • December 16, 2017 at 12:40 am
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          Why would you think that?

        • December 16, 2017 at 12:40 am
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          Why would you think that?

    • December 15, 2017 at 7:21 pm
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      Well, if either you liked it or not, the good news is there’s another film that has to tie things up.

    • December 17, 2017 at 5:09 pm
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      “Everything the Force Awakens built up in terms of characters, storyline and intrigue has just been wiped out.”

      Yup. And good riddance.

      Snokes “identity”: the mystery and rumors and theories were invented on the internet. Not the movie.
      Rey’s “identity”: ditto.

      Neither of them was ever supposed to be anyone special.
      And that’s the whole point!
      TFA gave no information about snoke. There was no mystery. It’s reasonable to assume he was just some second rate dark Jedi from nowhere who through luck filled the vacuum left after Jedi. I love what happened to him. He was a lame and unnecessary character.
      And Rey? The final shot of TLJ explains that beautifully.
      Anyone can use the force. Not just people related to characters from the OT.
      I love that her parents were nobodies.
      It’s perfect.

  • December 14, 2017 at 4:49 pm
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    Just curious, for anyone who has seen it — was Carrie’s dedication placed before or after the film?

    • December 14, 2017 at 5:02 pm
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      Midway through the credits. It was tasteful

      • December 14, 2017 at 5:20 pm
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        Nice — thanks

      • December 14, 2017 at 5:20 pm
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        Nice — thanks

      • December 14, 2017 at 5:20 pm
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        Nice — thanks

      • December 14, 2017 at 5:20 pm
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        Nice — thanks

    • December 14, 2017 at 9:38 pm
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      So you haven’t seen it yet Jimsy, then please I implore you don’t, don’t give the bstards that created this insulting abomination your hard earned cash. If I can stop just one person from doing this it’ll be worth it. Oh and say it again Mr Hoey, it’s Hell for you, how much did you get for your soul? “ a generationally unifying masterpiece” – wow, just wow.

      • December 14, 2017 at 11:27 pm
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        Looks like I’m gonna have pick up more drugs than I thought.

      • December 15, 2017 at 10:00 am
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        I thought I was prepped for a disappointment… holy shit — not in my wildest dreams did I think that the follow-up to such a promising re-invigoration of the franchise (TFA) would be something so shallow, and almost 4th-wall breaking in its contempt and mockery of fans and their expectations.

        Disney, get your shit together.

    • December 14, 2017 at 9:45 pm
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      After the names of the actors, and a film by Rian Johnson.

      “In Loving Memory of our Princess, Carrie Fisher”

      A few bars of Leia’s theme plays when it’s displayed.

  • December 14, 2017 at 5:46 pm
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    I know we will all never agree on everything. The movie currently sits at 95% on RT, and I personally fell in love with it at the first viewing, but for good or bad I appreciate your passion and also for stopping by and reading! Just please be kind to each other, as most of you are. Thank you.

    • December 14, 2017 at 8:37 pm
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      It is curious how it has a 95 % RT score when, in all fan sites, 95 % of the fans seem to be outraged by this film. I guess Disney can’t go wrong with critics, can it ?

      • December 14, 2017 at 10:34 pm
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        I guess fans who were the most disappointed also speak the loudest. As a fan I was completely delighted, and when I came out of theaters, I clearly did not want to read reviews, to read critics, because I just wanted to keep enjoying this rare feeling of full satisfaction that you get when you see a movie you just love.

      • December 15, 2017 at 10:57 am
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        See the reviews for the last Pirates OTC movie, please.

    • December 14, 2017 at 11:03 pm
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      It has been said time and again that Tomatometer is rigged You gotta first look for the average (8.2/10) second, we now know better than to trust critics. Personally, I only trust metacritic audience reviews. As I’ve been saying I don’t hate it, it is not The Room, but it certainly isn’t better than any of the OT. It’s a good Marvel movie, with poor story choices.

  • December 14, 2017 at 8:34 pm
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    It is official: Disney has now bought Fox, which includes X-Men, Deadpool, the original Star Wars catalogue, and Avatar, which Bob Iger has already said Disney wants to expand into a Star Wars-type franchise. Personally, I think it is terrible news as it means Disney is becoming a media monopoly which will impose its own monolithic view on all the properties and franchises we care about.

    • December 14, 2017 at 10:06 pm
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      Well, don’t pay for any of their output don’t give them your money. There’s a guy below, who, after saying he hates the movie, is going to go pay in and see it again, I mean why in the name of all that is holy, would you do that.

    • December 14, 2017 at 10:34 pm
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      Indeed it’s worrying.

    • December 16, 2017 at 5:40 am
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      It’s a double-edged sword. On the flip side, the X-Men and Fantastic Four will finally be in the MCU.

  • December 14, 2017 at 9:00 pm
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    I think the media is on the hype-train after the premiere. I’ll try not to spoil anything, but I think this movie has A LOT of flaws when you think about it.

    It’s straight out of an episode of “everything wrong with…”. There are so many things that just doesn’t make sense! Plot points and story lines with ZERO consequence and character traits set up in ep.7 that are basically just forgotten about or seemingly deliberately changed. It’s like they regretted making some of the things in ep7 and just changed the whole premise to make this story. I’m quite amazed how crazy the media has been for it with no mention of these things.

    I’ll save the actual spoiler rage for next week 🙂

    • December 14, 2017 at 10:03 pm
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      You’ve got to realise that most of the MSM is in cahoots, that they’re mostly owned by the same small groups. I don’t much like the man but Trump is right, most of the media is completely fake and nothing but manipulative propaganda.

      • December 14, 2017 at 11:07 pm
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        Well, I don’t want to bring politics into it 🙂 But it’s not only American media/”expert reviewers” but also European that followed the same general hype and crazy reviews that don’t seem to be critical about ANYTHING in the movie.
        Now, I’m not hating it completely, but there were a lot of elements to pick on, and not small ones either. But all reviewers just fell in the “it’s different and new” trap.

        • December 15, 2017 at 12:31 am
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          They’re all owned and run by the same few massive corporations.

  • December 14, 2017 at 9:14 pm
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    ***SPOILERS***
    The first ten minutes up until Luke threw the lightsabre over his shoulder i was like “WTF am i watching” it was like a comedy sketch…a bad one.

    No answered questions so fans feel very hard done by…
    Snoke dead without any explanation of who he is.
    Rey’s parents are a couple of alcoholic scrap dealers who sold her on Jakku for some drink and left her.
    Knights of Ren…nope, nothing not a single reference to them.
    Hans funeral scene…nothing, even though we know these scenes were filmed.

    Luke who was willing to give his own life to redeem his father (the most evil b’stard in the galaxy) was prepared to kill his own nephew in his sleep “just in case” he went to the dark side…utter rubbish, Luke’s character would never do that, completely out of character for him.

    Phasma…again totally wasted and no more than a toy selling scam

    Leia…getting blown up with Admiral Ackbar out into space would have been the best send off for her (considering she really done nothing else of note in the movie after it…apart from stun Poe) but to then twitch back into life while frozen, reach out her hand like Superman and fly back to the ship has to be the worst and stupidist decision ever brought to screen in a Star Wars move, even if it was a Jedi Master like Luke it would have been laughed out of the theatre but for Leia to do it…good god, it was utterly laughable.

    And then there is Luke, the bits with Yoda and R2 i really enjoyed but are we really to believe that Luke Skywalker…who has just been told Han has been killed by Ben Solo (who Luke was already thinking about killing a few years ago) and is now leading the First Order to kill his sister is just going to sit on his ass on a rock and project himself so the resistance can escape till next time…no, he would lift his x-wing up from the sea and fly to Crait to meet Kylo face to face, if he died during that face off then it would be more fitting for him to die like that, but to die alone sitting on a rock because he ran out of force juice is a travesty, the fans waited 30+ years to see badass Jedi Master Luke Skywalker in action…we got a pi$$ed off old hermit who couldn’t care less.

    Some of the acting was ridiculously over the top (Hux was like something from a b movie), now Star Wars has always been cheesy in parts but this was an entirely different animal.

    Porgs, yeah the bit with Chewie sitting down to eat one was funny, but when they are climbing all over the falcon, or slamming off windows etc it’s too much, but again…they have to sell those toys.

    BB8…more comedy, that’s fine as he is there for comedic value (like trying to stop the multiple electric leaks but uses his head in the end) and used sparingly it works…but when he’s driving an AT-ST then it’s time to wonder if Rian Johnston actually meant to make this movie as a joke, and i can’t believe they have given him the reins to make another 3, when i walked out after the movie the looks on peoples faces said it all, some fans will absolutely hate this movie, i always go see them multiple times but no way will i put myself through this sh!t again. so so disappointed that after giving us so much new threads / characters in TFA they hit us with this.

    • December 14, 2017 at 9:54 pm
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      I was underwhelmed by The Last Jedi overall but I don’t strongly hate it. (I upticked your post by mistake btw!) The floating Leia thing didn’t bother me – I quite like how it shows undeveloped Jedi-like capabilities in someone, illustrating what Luke tells Rey. Maybe it’ll make more sense in IX. I want to see it a second time before I let my view coalesce. I’d also like to hear what my 13-year-old nephew thinks. I was also quite affected by something peripheral seeing the film today, a woman in her 30s sitting behind me sobbing after… the film’s main bombshell. If it was truly a bad film I don’t think it could have that kind of effect. I’d like to dwell on what unjaded people think.

      • December 14, 2017 at 11:00 pm
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        “Maybe it’ll make more sense in IX” We all heard that about 7 making more sense after 8. Didn’t happen.

        • December 15, 2017 at 8:16 am
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          Ep 7 actually makes LESS sense after you see 8.

          • December 15, 2017 at 1:54 pm
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            I’m pretty sure Andy serkis completely changed his voice of Snoke, also his head got about 3 sizes bigger. Really jarring.

          • December 15, 2017 at 8:17 pm
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            What are still confused about Kent?

          • December 15, 2017 at 8:17 pm
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            What are still confused about Kent?

      • December 20, 2017 at 3:16 am
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        Make more sense in IX? Yeah, because Mr Mystery Box loves to give answers. And just because someone cries, it doesn’t mean a movie is good. In the Transformers movies, some people get emotional when something happens to Bumblebee, but the movies are still bad IMO. You seem to be looking for reasons to like the movie, even your nephew, but if so many of us didn’t like it, is because the movie has too many flaws, it’s as simple as that.

    • December 14, 2017 at 10:20 pm
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      Well okay… Since you started with the spoilers, here are a few things that annoyed me a lot:

      ***SPOILER ALERT****

      1) Snoke character has changed since ep7. He was established as a thoughtful (wise) careful leader that wouldn’t put him self near the front of the action. Now he just chills in the back of the fight, and is just an all-up-in-your-face-arrogant-sob. And when the main villain gets chopped before his henchmen, then you’re just not that invested in the rest of the fight (although it was cool as hell)
      1.1) Snoke is established as significantly stronger and more dangerous than Kylo Ren. Then get picked off. So now the main villain is not even close to being as strong or dangerous, leaving us a bit un-concerned for our heros going into the next movie. A few more suicide-jump-to-lightspeed and the first order is done.
      2) Like you said, NO mention of the Knights of Ren, which in ep.7 were particularly highlighted by Snoke as being very important.
      3) The WHOLE storyline of Finn and Rose going to Canto Bight is completely and utterly non-consequential, other than they fuck up the resistance even more. There was no need for that whole sequence, which is like a big chunk of the movies plot.
      4) Rey spends a third of the movie doing nothing, and when the training actually begins, it’s over before it’s even started. Luke didn’t really pass any teachings to Rey – and now she is just ready to teach everybody about the force? This seems more like a Disney cop out to make sure that everyone can master the force with no training and start spitting out ridicoulus jedi stories. The whole lore about the careful delicate training before being able to master the force was just pissed on. (unless it will be revealed in ep9 that she is a skywalker anyway, in which case some of her powers can be excused plot-wise)
      5) Phasma down the Sarlacc pit… *sigh*

      Overall I liked the plot twists about Kylo/Luke, seemed interesting and caught me off guard. And the connection between Kylo/Rey really had me feeling for the characters. But I STRONGLY dislike the way they pissed on the lore. Now Jedi are no big deal. Don’t need any training or anything. Get ready for plot convenient X-men in the SW universe from now on 🙂

      Edit: I’ll probably still go see it a bunch of times still… I’m still a kid on the inside after all 😛

      • December 14, 2017 at 10:43 pm
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        I think everything you say is pretty right.

      • December 14, 2017 at 10:59 pm
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        I agree with you and personally do not understand 3) Please, people who think this is a masterpiece, explain to me what was the point of having Finn go through 35 minutes of adventures with token Rose, trying to find help to do somheting that wasn’t even done in the end? What was the point of Dj (who never goes by name in the movie) betraying them? The only point was to get them into Snoke’s ship so Finn could best Phasma in a very stupid way. That could’ve thaken 10 minutes.

        • December 14, 2017 at 11:03 pm
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          Lol, that reminds me. They need this whole crazy plan to get a master hacker that A) wasn’t even the master one, so it probably wasn’t that hard anyway, and B) Rey just casually enters in an escape pod, no big deal…

          • December 14, 2017 at 11:06 pm
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            LoL, right, why go through all the trouble of disarming sensors and force shields? Just get on a Corellian Cargo ship’s escape pod, and bam, you’re in.

          • December 15, 2017 at 6:10 am
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            Ok and what happened to her then smartypants?

          • December 14, 2017 at 11:55 pm
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            Leia Poppins turned me off more than Finn’s tale.

          • December 15, 2017 at 8:16 am
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            Leia Poppins was yet another of Rian’s MANY abortions in this film. Just pathetic. I will literally NEVER stop hating this film.

          • December 15, 2017 at 10:14 am
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            re: “I will literally NEVER stop hating this film”

            After weeks (months) of practising your hatred, before ever seeing it?

          • December 15, 2017 at 12:48 pm
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            Yeah we noticed smh

          • December 15, 2017 at 12:48 pm
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            Yeah we noticed smh

          • December 16, 2017 at 3:42 am
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            What about bb8 controlling at st. That wasbullshit

          • December 16, 2017 at 3:45 am
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            And I couldn’t believe how easily the head of that AT-ST was ripped off. LOL was it just not bolted down or was it made in China or what? It was just a cheap way to reveal another mini-twist – here’s BB8 to the rescue everyone!

          • December 15, 2017 at 1:52 pm
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            It was the first time I’ve ever been in a Star Wars movie and said WTF is that. Just like, it had no place. That and your mom joke, killing Ackbar all within the first 25 minutes.

          • December 16, 2017 at 3:41 am
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            Leia poppins!! Hahaha

          • December 15, 2017 at 12:10 pm
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            I think Rey entering the Star Destroyer in an escape pod was “no big deal” because Kylo and Snoke knew she was coming. Remember, Kylo was standing over her pod right after she landed. And Snoke said he was the one that established their connection and tricked her into coming – thinking she could turn Kylo.

          • December 15, 2017 at 6:39 pm
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            If he established their connection, why were they still connected after he died?

          • December 15, 2017 at 6:39 pm
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            If he established their connection, why were they still connected after he died?

          • December 15, 2017 at 12:14 pm
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            Casually, but welcomed by an army of stormtroopers.

          • December 16, 2017 at 3:40 am
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            Also wtf whenr did the falcon ever have that escape pod and never used before

          • December 16, 2017 at 3:40 am
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            Also wtf whenr did the falcon ever have that escape pod and never used before

        • December 15, 2017 at 4:12 am
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          Funny that people on this site ABUSED me and FLAMED me about Rose for months — and now that they are seeing the film, they are seeing what a TIMEWASTE she was.

          • December 15, 2017 at 4:38 am
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            I was there with you about her, it is a Token character and I got called every appellative millennials have for the ones that disagree with them, when I said it, and I find the actress likeable, but that character is plain and redundant. Picture Finn doing everything they did together, but alone. It remains exactly the same. In a movie, every character, and every scene must have a purpose. Plain and simple bad filmmaking, but they are calling it a masterpiece.

          • December 15, 2017 at 6:59 am
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            I’ll admit, I agree with your opinion NOW. But you kind of asked for it by blowing up about it before the movie had come out.

          • December 15, 2017 at 8:15 am
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            Keep in mind, i LIKE Kelly Tran. I just dont think she belonged ANYWHERE near this film. Put her in a Spin Off and I don’t mind.

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:01 am
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            Good gravy she was so cringe in this movie. And that scene when she flies the ship into Finn’s. I wanted to gouge my eyes out. I appreciate that Star Wars is aimed at kids, but adults can enjoy the films too, but this was a full blown kids movie. I preferred Rose’s sister.

          • December 16, 2017 at 3:38 am
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            I know I was almost sad Finn was gonna die actually sacrifice himself and not be a coward like the last two times and when he was ready to do it she was like nah u can’t die I love u even tho he has feelings for rey

          • December 16, 2017 at 8:18 am
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            Agreed – Rose was the worst new character. Her sister was far better.

          • December 20, 2017 at 2:43 am
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            Far better? Why, because her sister was just a cameo? lol You can’t seriously say that such a character was “far better” when Rose got more development. I’m saying this as one of the many fans that didn’t like the movie, I also don’t care about boring characters like Finn and Rose, but I’m not going to overvalue cameos either.

          • December 16, 2017 at 3:36 am
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            WAtch she will be pretty much absent in episode 9. I agree with u i had a feeling she was gonna be lame and was disneys little plan to be forced PC in your face. Like we already had lots of Asians in rogue one no one is getting left out anymore. We get it. We don’t need to have every single race gender religion sexual orientation represented in a effing sci fi movie that has already been loved for decades. HEr sister was way more bad ass and rose should have died

        • December 15, 2017 at 9:35 pm
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          Yet the film, for all its problems, was superior to all three Prequel films in a major way.

          Must really make you sad inside that a sub par film still trumps Episode I-III.

          • December 16, 2017 at 4:31 pm
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            I disagree. I would rather watch any prequel to this garbage movie. Open cargo doors to space and people breathing !! Gravity in space !!!

          • December 17, 2017 at 3:12 pm
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            People on these forums are really stupid sometimes. I mean, really stupid.

          • December 17, 2017 at 10:25 pm
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            There is gravity in every ship – even tiny x-wing. Why should there not be gravity in a small region around the ship? No one ever questioned why the parts of a blown up x-wing plummet to the surface of the death star in ANH. Lightsabres are pretty much physically impossible also.

          • December 17, 2017 at 10:27 pm
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            Leia was still within the atmosphere blown out of the bridge. This would disperse with time but if you accept she is still among the debris it is equally possible for this small moment of time she is still within the atmosphere.

          • December 17, 2017 at 10:29 pm
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            Which also happened in Rebels. Do you call it a garbage series?

            And, unless I have missed a major advance in Physics, gravity is everywhere. Masses are not. So, yes, gravity in space, what’s the matter with that?

      • December 15, 2017 at 12:20 am
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        It is not yet opening weekend and you guys felt that a spoiler free review was a good place to dump this load.

        Come on… love it or hate it you can at least have some respect for those that did not see the movie.

        For what it is worth I saw twice already and I think you are all dead wrong in the logic and criticism.

        • December 16, 2017 at 4:44 pm
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          Seen it twice too…. and really the criticism is not wrong.

      • December 15, 2017 at 1:52 am
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        I hate the term ‘Mary Sue’ but… Rey is definitely a Mary Sue.

        In less than a single week, with hardly any training, she goes from a complete novice to apparently fully-fledged Jedi. She never has to face any of the trials that Luke faced, but now she has ‘everything she needs’ to rebuild the Jedi Order????

        • December 15, 2017 at 6:57 am
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          She does have all the jedi books on the Falcon

        • December 15, 2017 at 1:49 pm
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          You mean how her biggest challenge in the movie was to move some rocks?

        • December 16, 2017 at 12:50 am
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          Don’t forget that this movie advocates book burning because, you know, we’ve got a female now and they’re inherently wise and all knowing.

          • December 16, 2017 at 2:25 am
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            A female who also says she needs someone to “show her her place
            in all this.”

            This movie is full of contrasts.

          • December 16, 2017 at 2:25 am
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            A female who also says she needs someone to “show her her place
            in all this.”

            This movie is full of contrasts.

        • December 16, 2017 at 7:33 am
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          I still don’t see her as a Mary Sue. I see her as gifted. Which the saga has gone out of it’s way to make clear. Something many stories with male leads had including Luke’s.

          I have problems with the plot now… but her being a Mary Sue never was and never will be an issue.

          • December 20, 2017 at 2:22 am
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            She is a Mary Sue, she used the Force without training in TFA and defeated Kylo, being gifted doesn’t mean you can do anything just like that. That’s why so many fans don’t like Rey, Luke was better written in the OT, his development was more organic.

      • December 15, 2017 at 6:15 am
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        3) Finn Rose part is essential in the movie, I believe you have not understood the plot, I recommend you to watch it again. Not only that, of all storylines in the movie for me is the better done, the more genuine Star Wars, and it also has one of the great climax and no doubt the best line in the movie.

        • December 15, 2017 at 7:15 am
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          I think you have not understood argumentation as a concept in conversation. You fail completely to give me any arguments on why you disagree. Don’t be just another pissed off fanboy that can’t handle critique. Unless ofc there is this nagging doubt in the back of your mind; Maybe it wasn’t as good anyway 🙂

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:34 am
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            I didn´t explain it deeper to not spoil the movie to some unwise reading this comments before watching it.
            The one not understanding argumentation is you taking it to personal.
            I guess you have read Schopenhauer arguing art because you just applied worst chapters.

          • December 15, 2017 at 12:55 pm
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            It’s not perfect; there’s a lot in there that could’ve been done better, and taking into account how long it’s been considered finished, there was time to keep tinkering until everything was as perfect as it could be, except perhaps for Leia due to Carrie’s untimely death. Leia flying through space was perhaps the worst scene in the film, but it wasn’t as bad as some on here are making out. Some people’s reactions on this board are so over the top they just lose any credibility they may otherwise possess through sheer drama queen squealing. I’ve got time for people having a different opinion; I’ve got no time for squealing pussies running around waving their arms in the air like the sky is literally falling.

          • December 15, 2017 at 1:48 pm
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            Leia flying through space was the first big “oh no” moment for the film. Just doesn’t fit. I thought after the Kylo Ren/Rey fight in Snokes throne room things would get turned around but man I am really disappointed.

          • December 15, 2017 at 5:44 pm
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            Princess Leia, practically perfect in every way!!

      • December 15, 2017 at 11:07 pm
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        SPOILERS***

        I’m not sure what Snoke was. I got a Wizard of Oz “man behind the curtain” vibe from his death scene. I’m not 100% sure he hasn’t died before — or that dying wasn’t part of his plan.

  • December 14, 2017 at 9:30 pm
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    “A generationally unifying masterpiece” – well, you do know you’re going to hell for that Mr Hoey.

    • December 14, 2017 at 10:13 pm
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      To paraphrase Han Solo, I’ll see you there.

      • December 15, 2017 at 12:06 am
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        Utterly shameless.

        • December 15, 2017 at 5:39 pm
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          I must say, the comments here are a hell of lot more entertaining than the movie!!!

  • December 14, 2017 at 9:41 pm
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    I don’t know where to even begin with this movie, as another reviewer has said, it gleefully thumbs it’s nose and mocks much of what made Star Wars great. Mark Hamill has said that he fundamentally disagreed with almost every decision Rian Johnson made for Luke’s character and I’ve got to say that he’s been quite restrained in saying that. With this movie Rian Johnson makes JJ Abrams look like Spielberg, it absolutely boggles the mind that Disney have given him a whole trilogy. You’ve got to wonder just what planet these Hollywood types occupy. A most millennial of movies, preachy, shallow, self satisfied, lazy and boring with a whole act that’s completely pointless, chock full of terribly out of place cartoonish humour and laughably bad dialogue – Luke chose the island because it was “the most unfindable” – I kid you not, he actually says that. He needn’t have worried, I highly doubt this insulting hack job will be much sought after in the years to come.

    • December 14, 2017 at 10:29 pm
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      “Millennial of movies” Exactly my feeling. It’s somber, depressing, self righteous, moralizing, and even vegan. It’s beautifully made, as Lucas said, but the script is really bad.

    • December 14, 2017 at 11:11 pm
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      “Millennial of movies” – This is the sound of a nail being hit on the head!

      • December 16, 2017 at 5:31 am
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        And Millennials will complain about the future generation after them, just like how the previous generation complained about us.

        • December 16, 2017 at 1:54 pm
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          I think that might take too much effort 🙂

    • December 15, 2017 at 2:04 am
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      They have pretty much destroyed the OT heroes legacies in these films.

      Basically the Skywalkers are now the worst family in existence. The galaxy would have been much better off without them. Only Leia has her dignity.

      • December 15, 2017 at 11:47 am
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        Luke has his dignity and then some by the end. He went through a bad time. Most people at some point make mistakes and get depressed, but the “masters” as Yoda says, bounce back and do the right thing. It’s a powerful message.

        • December 15, 2017 at 12:59 pm
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          A lesson probably lost on all the first world problem crybabies on this board, where by the sounds of it the worst thing that’s ever happened to them is when their parents refused to pay for a PS4.

          • December 16, 2017 at 4:08 am
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            People who don’t like the movie are criticising the movie, people who like the movie are criticising and childishly insulting those that are criticising the movie.

          • December 16, 2017 at 11:38 am
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            Some people are just constantly crying like some kind of annoying car alarm. We get it; you didn’t like the film. Telling us the same thing 1000 times doesn’t warrant engaging in argument; it warrants swatting away.

          • December 16, 2017 at 2:52 pm
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            I’m engaging in argument which as I’ve said you find distasteful because that’s what all your posts amount to, criticism of people with negative opinions of the movie, there’s never any actual rebuttal of the many points.

    • December 16, 2017 at 5:31 am
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      Where exactly were there any feminist and SJW claptrap in this movie?

    • December 16, 2017 at 5:31 am
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      Where exactly were there any feminist and SJW claptrap in this movie?

  • December 14, 2017 at 10:15 pm
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    I liked it, I wasn’t too much of a fan for TFA and seeing as this film went in a different direction was all the better IMO. i’ll rank it along side Rogue One. Hell knows where it will go next though.

  • December 14, 2017 at 10:30 pm
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    I saw this movie twice today. Pretty much loved every single minute of it.

    Where The Force Awakens was safe but highly contrived, The Last Jedi was a little convoluted, but took its risks. A most welcome shot in the franchise arm in my opinion.

    Not too proud to admit that there were tears running down my eyes on more than one occasion. I found it an emotional juggernaut and left the cinema feeling very satisfied.

    The Force Awakens was my benchmark. If it met it, I’d be happy, if it exceeded it, all the better. Fall short *cough* Rogue One, I’d be disappointed. I actually ended up enjoying this movie more than The Force Awakens.

    Very much look forward to seeing this movie again.

    For those that didn’t enjoy it. I would suggest giving it a little while, and going back to see it again. I recall how I felt on the first viewing of Looper. Considered it at the time to be pretty meh, However on subsequent viewings I enjoyed it so much more.

    • December 15, 2017 at 12:06 am
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      “Risks” does not mean value. Eating Doritos soaked in Gasoline is definitely a “Risk”….but won’t be a very positive experience.

      • December 15, 2017 at 12:09 am
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        They do when they pay off.

        I’m sorry you didn’t enjoy the movie, but I freaking did.

        • December 15, 2017 at 12:18 am
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          Judging by the 50 / 50 reactions on this board, Anime-StarWars isn’t exactly working.

          • December 15, 2017 at 12:20 am
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            I’ll let the box office receipts do the talking.

          • December 15, 2017 at 12:49 am
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            Who cares about the box office receipts? Success isn’t purely based on money. One Direction are/were an extremely successful band because they sold millions, but they’re still absolutely sh*t musically.

          • December 15, 2017 at 1:27 am
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            Sorry, I really don’t understand your point.

          • December 15, 2017 at 2:00 am
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            Yeah exactly. The Transformers movies are shit… but the Box Office is massive.

          • December 15, 2017 at 2:10 am
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            Agree with you that those movies are crap. They also poorly received by the critics. The Last Jedi was not.

          • December 15, 2017 at 4:51 am
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            I dare to say it is more than 50/50. Like 80/20, at least among fans using social media, we still have to see what our parents and grandparents think about it in the coming weeks.

  • December 14, 2017 at 10:33 pm
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    Re: Review scores (example: Rotten Tomatoes)
    Right now TLJ is sitting at 93%, same as TFA. Will be interesting to see how it rates after more people have seen it.

    For myself, whilst I enjoyed TFA, I’d not consider it a 93% / even appropriately ranked avg amongst SW films. And I’m hoping (expecting) TLJ to be quite a bit better than TFA.
    I’m guessing the high rating for TFA is mostly due to nostalgia & combination of the excitement for new SW film & returning OT characters.

  • December 14, 2017 at 10:40 pm
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    TLJ is far superior to TFA. I like the fact that a few of the new characters were killed off early. I liked the humour. The pace of the film was fine with me and it didn’t the feel like 180 minutes. Strangely enough I think Rey is the big weakness in the film and the sequel trilogy in general. It was nice to see Yoda again. I think Skywalker’s death was tastefully done and I’m looking forward to seeing him again as a force ghost in IX. The Leia in space bit was a bit of a joke and the casino tangent was absolutely needless. They’re the only bits I would change. It’ll be interesting to see the deleted scenes. After I saw TFA I had no intention of watching it again but I want to see TLJ again ASAP.

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      I agree for the Rey part. She’s basically a catalyst and does nothing by herself. Apart shooting a few ties, though it was Chewie piloting… And the nice lightsaber fight, of course. But nothing essential to the plot.

      • December 14, 2017 at 11:08 pm
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        Why didn’t Rey pilot?

        • December 14, 2017 at 11:36 pm
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          Well, that’s a very good question!

        • December 15, 2017 at 11:49 am
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          I was wondering the same.

          But, basically, Chewie owns the Falcon. He has a right for piloting it and send Rey to the shooting turret.

      • December 15, 2017 at 11:44 am
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        Um she leaves to go try to turn Kylo.

    • December 15, 2017 at 12:09 am
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      The humour was the WORST ever in a SW film. But hey if you are into Marvel-style humor, I’m sure ya loved it. I like it in Marvel, I DONT like it in SW.

      • December 15, 2017 at 12:55 am
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        I haven’t knowingly seen any Marvel films so I haven’t got a clue what you’re on about. When did you have your humour bypass operation?

        • December 15, 2017 at 12:57 am
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          Marvel humour is the kind of humour that could come from any of the characters. That’s dumb, comedy-genre humour.

          Star Wars humour was unique in that it was subtle and it made sense to the character. It matched their sensibilities. But now it’s just used to make light of an otherwise dark situation.

          This isn’t spaceballs.

        • December 15, 2017 at 4:47 am
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          Guardians of the Galaxy? Iron Man? The first Avengers movie? Nothing?

          • December 15, 2017 at 9:34 am
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            Honestly, I haven’t seen any of them.

    • December 15, 2017 at 12:55 am
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      That’s because it’s 150mins.

      • December 15, 2017 at 12:58 am
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        You got me there Kylo 😉

    • December 15, 2017 at 6:29 am
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      You should have warned about spoilers.

      • December 15, 2017 at 9:33 am
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        You shouldn’t have been stupid enough to read through public comments on a movie that has been released.

        • December 15, 2017 at 10:17 am
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          I already watched it when I wrote that, go to hell bully.

  • December 14, 2017 at 11:07 pm
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    Two lines I remember from TFA. (Forgive any misquotes) “Top secret? me too” and “It is you!”. Whilst attempting to remain spoiler-free here, I don’t see how those lines relate to the character as represented in the new film?

    • December 14, 2017 at 11:35 pm
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      I say you have a point.

    • December 14, 2017 at 11:35 pm
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      I say you have a point.

    • December 15, 2017 at 12:08 am
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      Look Rian completely shat The Force Awakens, nothing in Ep 7 matters anymore.

    • December 15, 2017 at 12:20 am
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      First one is a joke. Second one was referring to her being the awakening he and snoke discussed earlier.

  • December 14, 2017 at 11:32 pm
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    I gotta say (and i do hope this doesn’t come across rude or anything since by now way is that my goal). Ive been a fan of this side for a loooooong time. I liked the way things were done here, focussing on positives and negatives of all things star wars BUT something has been changing the last year and it feels like everything the writers write is positive. Everything gets positive reviews and even the “negative” thing in reviews are made as if they are really small things. Without trying to be mean or wanting big discussions (in which someone surely will say :”if you dont like it here why come back”) Did something change on the writers part, more writers, less of the original guy(s) who started this site back in the day?

  • December 14, 2017 at 11:43 pm
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    ALthough I LOVE Anime, I dont want Star Wars to be ANIME. This movie, the style of the fights and cinematography was FAR FAR too “Anime.” Just wait for the ending, it’s straight out of Anime.

    • December 15, 2017 at 6:29 am
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      Both Star Wars and Anime (and Matrix) are derived from Buddhism. The original Star Wars and Vader’s suit are strongly dervied from Samurai. So should you really be shocked to have some Anime style? The roots are ultimately the same.

  • December 15, 2017 at 12:19 am
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    Immediate reaction, I’m now home watching a new hope as I’ve been with it since 1977.
    I’m not disappointed but not sure I’ve seen a Star Wars movie? A lot happened, yes the humour was funny but a bit too much. Storyline never really eastablished. Some characters, even major ones, was there a point? If you make star wars to new, jedi are no more, was there a point to buying and developing what Star Wars was about.
    Aliens, why will they allow a little continuity! TLJ was very earthy as was TFA. Are there any memorable aliens? 15 mins into ANH, jawa’s, sand people, cantina etc… this is Star Wars.
    Canto bight, this was the bad part of the movie.
    Luke skywalker, something has now changed forever. The twin suns, emotional.
    With everything having the, you know “tick box” it’s a shame these weren’t made before or maybe a day afterwards when the story was all that mattered.
    We all had preconceived ideas of would have happened after ROTJ and I think we wanted a little of that but accept the story to move on.
    At the end of TLJ it does feel a bit back to square one. I’m happy and don’t feel like after the end of TFA I need to wish the next 2 years away.

  • December 15, 2017 at 12:25 am
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    Fans seem to be upset, critics appear to be happy… what’s going on? I still haven’t decided how I feel about it. Looking back at the three new Star Wars films we have, I’d have to say Rogue One is by far the best of the bunch.

    • December 15, 2017 at 12:35 am
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      I agree 100%

    • December 15, 2017 at 12:53 am
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      Definitely. Rogue One had its own identity. I hope Solo is the same deal.

      • December 15, 2017 at 1:03 am
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        Me too, I expect we’ll get a trailer for Solo just before or just after new year. I read somewhere that it’s the funniest of the Star Wars films, so it will be interesting to get the fans reaction from that, as they’ve not really embraced the humour in TLJ.

        • December 15, 2017 at 1:46 am
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          really? Because I heard that Lord and MIller were fired based on the fact that they were turning Han Solo into a comedian. Which seems really ironic given the amount of humour in TLJ

          • December 15, 2017 at 2:05 am
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            Yeah, apparently Lord and Miller were spoofing the humour rather than letting the characters just play it out. I think you have to have a certain amount of humour in a Han Solo movie, I guess it’ll be a bit Indiana Jones in space. Also co-written by Lawrence Kasdan who wrote Raiders, the best indie film.

          • December 15, 2017 at 2:18 am
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            Ahh I see. I’m scared, man. It looks like Disney is giving their SW movies the marvel treatment. And they’re great entertainment but I’ve watched every one of those movies once, sometimes twice. Not a fan of the direction that they’re heading in but then again, the humour was handled really well in Rogue One so who knows. Your thoughts?

          • December 15, 2017 at 5:20 am
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            Pretty optimistic about Solo. If anyone knows Han Solo it’s Lawrence Kasdan. Hopefully Ron Howard has steered the production into smoother waters.

          • December 15, 2017 at 5:22 am
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            Yeah. I’m sure Lawrence wouldn’t butcher the character like that.

    • December 15, 2017 at 1:04 am
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      Rogue One was fun SW eye candy, but its characters are so bland and forgettable. I can’t see myself in 20 years fondly looking back at that movie as a cherished SW film.

      • December 15, 2017 at 1:06 am
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        You’re entitled to your opinion

        • December 15, 2017 at 1:30 am
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          Do you think that Jyn Erso and Cassian Andor were amazing and memorable characters? Don’t get me wrong, it’s not prequel bad, but it’s not amazing either. I enjoyed the movie when I first saw it, but I haven’t had any deep desire to go back to that movie again and again.

          • December 15, 2017 at 2:02 am
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            They had pretty deep and believable character motivations.

          • December 15, 2017 at 9:50 am
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            But they were dreadfully dull and nothing about them was remotely endearing to the audience. You need to give your audience a reason to care about your protagonists. I never got any reason to care about Jyn and Cassian.

          • December 15, 2017 at 4:44 am
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            Do you love Rose Tico, or Vice admiral Holdo, or DJ? Sorry but other than the main cast, the rest are as forgettable as the ones in R1 (sans K2SO) I guess that’s why they are doing a Solo movie, and rumored, the Kenobi one.

          • December 15, 2017 at 9:23 am
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            Secondary characters. Rey, Poe, And Finn are infinitely better than Jyn and Cassian. Sorry. I didn’t care at all when they died on that beach because they gave me no reason to care about them. Bland and forgettable.

          • December 15, 2017 at 11:27 am
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            100% agreed. They could have died or lived, it wouldn’t have changed much.

          • December 15, 2017 at 5:55 pm
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            Absolutely, I love Rey, Finn and Poe a little less, I think that the problem with R1 is that they had to “represent” so many of us in the cast that there was no time for character development, so we end up caring for no one.

          • December 15, 2017 at 11:40 am
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            Yes…yes…and yes. Holdo is a complete badass. Her last scene in the movie is legendary and so beautifully realized visually.

    • December 15, 2017 at 11:26 am
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      I think that the best things of all these movies is that, though no one is going to meet full consensus, as an individual you always find one that you really love. I completely hated Rogue One, and I loved The Last Jedi. I am glad it went the other way around for you. It means that there is a greater diversity in Star Wars movies than before.

  • December 15, 2017 at 1:53 am
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    I’ve just seen it, my mind is absolutely blown. I thought it was amazing and certain it was a home run, very surprised to see mixed feelings from the fans, it was everything I could want in a Star Wars movie.

    • December 15, 2017 at 2:07 am
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      I love it too! It’s just so surprising but well done. I am really, really super happy with this movie because it’s just so different from the others but in a good way, some scenes are just magnificent. Need to watch it a second time to write a proper review!

    • December 15, 2017 at 7:08 am
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      Disney’s “employee of the month” right here

    • December 15, 2017 at 11:55 am
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      This movie was very different, but so were the originals when they came out. No one had a template for Star Wars back then to compare anything to, much less four decades to form opinions. This one was very much the same in that way – it went places that Star Wars hasn’t gone yet, just like each film in the OT did.

      Star Wars has always taken risks with the story, if not with the prospect of ticket and merchandise sales. I think The Last Jedi took those story risks very successfully, and gave us so much to think about, and so much more to absorb on repeat viewings. Excellent job to Rian Johnson on this one!

      • December 15, 2017 at 11:58 am
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        I think many fans were very torn on Empire when it first came out…

        • December 15, 2017 at 12:01 pm
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          I remember that sense of being torn as the debate between people over whether Darth Vader was really Luke’s father or not. This was confirmed in ROTJ, obviously. I remember nothing about people being torn about ESB. Everyone I knew and hung out with as a kid was completely thrilled by it.

          • December 15, 2017 at 12:08 pm
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            Well this is like fourth hand knowledge. I wasn’t alive at the time, but I have read in an article or comment thread somewhere about some fans feeling it was a downer and so different from ANH. Apologize for generalizing.

          • December 15, 2017 at 12:15 pm
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            No worries! I’m sure that must’ve been said, it was indeed such a different film. It’s perfectly fine with me whatever anyone feels, about any of the movies. Everyone is perfectly entitled to their opinion, and Last Jedi was a big departure in many ways. I liked it. Everyone has their own relationship to Star Wars – I simply prefer to not see the film so heavily criticized on such short notice (not directed at you!). This one feels like it will take time to sink in.

          • December 16, 2017 at 8:16 am
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            Agree! I think this movie is a grower and more fans will come around with time. It treats its characters as human/flawed and there’s a lot of defeat/mistakes made, which can be hard to swallow at first blush.

  • December 15, 2017 at 1:57 am
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    I’ve now seen it twice… and I still do not know what to think of it.

    Everything accomplished by the OT heroes has been destroyed.

    I am not sure Terrio and JJ have the talent to create a satisfying resolution to this trilogy.

    • December 15, 2017 at 7:06 am
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      I don’t know if anyone has that much talent. Maybe a young George Lucas? Anyone have a time machine?

  • December 15, 2017 at 2:00 am
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    SPOILER Post warning!: I seen it last night and whilst I enjoyed it I can’t help feeling like these new movies are crapping on our childhood. Ok, Harrison wanted to always have Solo die, George didn’t see the logic in it and thankfully he survived the original trilogy. But TFA killed off such a beloved character, albeit to serve the story. Now we have another similar scenario in TLJ, with Luke, but this time I don’t think what happened was necessary. Gutted about that.
    Also, Yoda specifically says that Luke must pass on what he has learned, but when is that going to happen now? Also I feel that Luke having a moment of weakness where he considered striking down Kylo in his sleep is not part of his character.

    The whole Jedi must end thing is mind boggling to me though. Luke hiding away from a fight is WAY out of character from the original trilogy. He knows Snoke exists. He knows The First Order Exists. So hiding away when obviously his sister needs him is an extremely selfish thing. I guess this is somewhat addressed in the film but it doesn’t settle well with me. I agree with Hamill and his comments against Ryan’s decisions here.

    The handling of Rey’s heritage is I hope not finished. But can someone please explain the significance of the ‘hall of mirrors’ sequence? What the hell is that supposed to mean?

    On the positive, Yoda was awesome.

    In contrast to what others say about Leia in space I thought this was great. It pulled a lot of heart strings for me.

    Overall enjoyed it but not what I expected and felt closer to a final act than a middle one.

    A final thing of note :
    ESB is considered the crown jewel of the films. Who, of the principle characters died? No one! There was uncertainty in Han for sure, Luke was defeated, but no one was killed! Can we please just have one more star wars film where our beloved characters survive? This film felt like an outright massacre!

    • December 15, 2017 at 2:07 am
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      Can someone explain how Rey goes from a complete novice to a fully fledged Jedi in under a week!? Without really any training of note. Luke had to endure various trials plus a dismemberment before he could be a Jedi.

      • December 15, 2017 at 10:15 am
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        Women are better than men.

      • December 15, 2017 at 11:04 am
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        Where did you see a fully fledged Jedi? She got rag dolled by Snoke, and had trouble with some Preitorian guards. She moved some rocks and that’s pretty much it, idk why people are making this assumption that she’s a full fledged Jedi. Cause I didn’t see one.

        • December 15, 2017 at 1:11 pm
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          Today’s world is all about extremes. People with a sense of balance and perspective are pretty thin on the ground these days.

  • December 15, 2017 at 3:51 am
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    As of my first viewing I’m thinking this was pretty awesome. Will view again tomorrow and process it further. Very unexpected turns in the story.

  • December 15, 2017 at 4:12 am
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    To all my friends going to see #TheLastJedi tonight, please enjoy the HISTORIC FIRST Star-Wars-ANIME….and May the Broom Be With You, always ❤️❤️

  • December 15, 2017 at 4:23 am
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    wow….i am seroiusly wondering if a paycheck was exchanged before this review.

    • December 15, 2017 at 6:34 am
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      Amen.

  • December 15, 2017 at 5:27 am
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    Ep III was so good….

  • December 15, 2017 at 5:54 am
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    This was honestly the worst star wars movie ever. </3

    • December 15, 2017 at 6:10 am
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      You might be right — I never thought a SW movie could be WORSE than a Prequel, but Rian may have done it.

      • December 15, 2017 at 6:34 am
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        The prequels were telling a story, even if it was clunky. Most of the movie is about a ship running out of fuel??? I mean, what the fuck.

        • December 15, 2017 at 6:46 am
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          Most of Empire is about a ship needing repairs.

          • December 15, 2017 at 11:36 am
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            Nailed it.

            I think David missed the point.

          • December 15, 2017 at 9:44 pm
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            Good point. That makes The Last Jedi even weaker.

    • December 15, 2017 at 6:12 am
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      I am so sad to say you are right. Luke was a absolute joke.

  • December 15, 2017 at 5:59 am
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    I saw it yesterday, liked it, but I had mixed feelings. Saw it today again, I FREAKIN LOVE IT NOW!!! You definitelly need to see it twice to catch all important stuff you will not catch for the first time, cause there are many stuff happening at the same time.
    I am disappointed by a couple of things as in any movie, but overall, movie is just amazing. Rian was not afraid to take risks, and that’s exactly what this franchise needs right now. If it just repeats itself, what’s the point to make more movies? Rian brought a lot of new and original stuff to the franchise, and I’m so glad he got another trilogy to work on, cause he is the right guy to do it!!
    9/10,

  • December 15, 2017 at 6:11 am
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    Just got of the theatre and all I feel is disappointment. Wow this sucks.

    • December 15, 2017 at 6:51 am
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      I’ve seen it twice now and I really, really want to love this film…. but I just sadly cannot.

      • December 15, 2017 at 6:53 am
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        It sucks because I am supposed to go with my nephew when he gets back from the army and I don’t even want to go.

        • December 15, 2017 at 7:06 am
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          I feel for you man 🙁

        • December 15, 2017 at 7:06 am
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          I saw TFA 5 times, but I’m not even sure I want to see TLJ a second time.

  • December 15, 2017 at 6:22 am
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    +++ I don´t think there is Spoilers in my comment, but if you have not watched it yet, please don´t read it +++
    I read many complaints about Finn-Rose.
    For me is the better build story in the movie, and the more genuine Star Wars… for me it is also the best climax and the best line.
    I only have watched it one time, but if anyone think that storyline should not be in the movie, they have not understood the plot, truly.
    About Rey seen as Mary Sue… really? Have you realized it was a complete defeat?

    • December 15, 2017 at 6:40 am
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      From complete novice to powerful force wielder / proto-Jedi in less than a week, with virtually no tutelage… and now she is going to rebuild the Jedi Order. Mary Sue unfortunately says it all….

      • December 15, 2017 at 6:42 am
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        What do you know about her past other than what a deceitful guy told you?

      • December 15, 2017 at 6:45 am
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        You sound like Kylo Ren or Snoke in one moment in the movie.
        Probably Rian was inspired in comments like yours for those lines.

        • December 15, 2017 at 6:49 am
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          I actually defended the character after everyone started throwing around ‘Mary Sue’ following TFA. But the fact she gains all this power and ability in such a short time period with hardly any training…. it doesn’t feel earned unlike Luke’s journey in the OT. It just needed some better writing on Rian Johnson’s end.

          • December 15, 2017 at 6:53 am
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            ***SPOILER WARNING***
            I hate repeating myself:
            The whole movie is the story of a defeat.
            The post explains it very well.

          • December 15, 2017 at 6:59 am
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            That does not address the assassination of Luke’s character and the ridiculous nature of Rey’s rapid ascent in power and ability.

          • December 15, 2017 at 6:59 am
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            That does not address the assassination of Luke’s character and the ridiculous nature of Rey’s rapid ascent in power and ability.

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:02 am
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            Circle talk.
            Are you paid by Univers… Studios?

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:04 am
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            I assume English is not your first language….

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:09 am
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            Is it yours?
            You should improve your language skills then… I understand now your comments about Rey, it must be hard!

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:03 am
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            Or Leia as Mary Poppins…

    • December 15, 2017 at 7:02 am
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      which line do you think was one of the best?

      • December 15, 2017 at 7:11 am
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        The moment in Crait.
        It worked better than the main roles, but may be that is just my view.

      • December 15, 2017 at 7:11 am
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        The moment in Crait.
        It worked better than the main roles, but may be that is just my view.

        • December 15, 2017 at 7:19 am
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          From Rose to Finn? Yeah, fair enough 🙂

          I need to see this movie again. I walked out of it feeling very little, but in hindsight, I remember some terrific stuff and some stuff I thought was pretty terrible. Hopefully a second viewing will clear some things up.

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:21 am
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            What more disappointed me was some CGI… but that is a technical thing, sorry to say for that technical team.

          • December 15, 2017 at 11:35 am
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            The wide shot of Luke and Rey meditating on that cliff looked crazy green screen to me on a few shots. I was shocked.

  • December 15, 2017 at 6:26 am
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    I tried really, really hard not to get too excited for TLJ. Thank god I didn’t get too hyped, because I would be even more disappointed than I am now after seeing it. Nothing about TLJ made me feel anything – other than anger. I am angry about the forced humor in almost every scene, the poor dialogue, even the use of “godspeed” in one scene that completely pulled me out of that galaxy far, far away and right back to earth. And, good lord, a cameo from a beloved character cracking jokes about the fate of the Jedi/galaxy? I didn’t care about any of the characters any more or less than I did after TFA, despite everything they had been through. It was almost like they went through too much in TLJ. I am trying to appreciate the direction that, I think, this saga is going – “we learn from our failures,” “the galaxy doesn’t need legends,” etc, but it was really disappointing to see so much of the OT vanish. I have no idea where IX will go from here, which maybe is good? But I have the sinking feeling that Disney and JJ also don’t know where to go from here.

    • December 15, 2017 at 6:32 am
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      God I agree. Just like the Resistance ship running out of fuel, I think it’s a perfect metaphor for what they’re doing to Star Wars. And you’re right, I’m sure JJ and Disney have no clue what to do.

    • December 15, 2017 at 6:36 am
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      I just watched it, and I can imagine many different plots to continue in SW IX, does it end in a cliffhanger like TFA… No.
      But clearly it needs to be continued.

      • December 15, 2017 at 6:40 am
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        Me also – plenty of ideas for what could come next.

    • December 15, 2017 at 6:44 am
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      JJ has a hell of a challenge to provide a satisfying conclusion to the trilogy after this….
      So much needs to be addressed in Episode 9… far too much.

    • December 15, 2017 at 6:58 am
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      Yes! I heard godspeed twice, and it felt so jarring. Rian tricked me. I thought he was the answer. He’s just another goof. A nice guy, but a goof.

    • December 15, 2017 at 11:22 am
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      Agreed: ‘godspeed’ felt entirely out of place. It had the same effect on me.

  • December 15, 2017 at 6:39 am
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    Worst episode ever !!! I was extremely disappointed after the beginning with complete disregard for outer space environment. Loved Kylo Ren development but Rian robbed all fans of seeing Luke again. Why can’t real star wars fans write the movies ???

    • December 15, 2017 at 6:48 am
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      Yeah. I kept waiting for the big Luke moment and it never happened. I went through the denial phase on the car ride home now I am just pissed off.

      • December 15, 2017 at 6:50 am
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        Luke is awesome – what he achieves without inflicting pain or passing on a burden.

        • December 15, 2017 at 6:54 am
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          Yeah so awesome. Bitching and moaninf for half the movie. Then basically stands there and does nothing.

          • December 15, 2017 at 6:57 am
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            And close to murdering a young man, his own nephew, in his sleep for doing nothing yet. The man who refused to kill Darth Vader because he believed he was redeemable. Great script….

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:01 am
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            you should use spoiler warning.

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:01 am
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            If you saw your son was going to commit a mass shooting everyday for the rest of his life you would surely have thoughts about putting an end to it.

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:03 am
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            Have you even watched the Original Trilogy?

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:04 am
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            No I skipped on that.

          • December 15, 2017 at 11:21 am
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            Actually, it makes perfect sense. In the OT, Luke can believe that the Emperor is the big baddie and turned his father to the Dark Side. Then, searching for the past as he did after ROTJ, he learns that the Emperor was a by-product of the Jedi rule and it disturbs him. And now this: his own nephew, his own best pupil, leans towards the dark. At this point, he understands that things have just an inner tendency to go wrong.

            Also, after ROTJ, he would have discovered all the bad things Vader has done. The slaughtering of the Jedi. Mass murders. So, yes, saving him was forth it -it as either that or kill him. But with Ben Solo? Should I try to save him and take the risk of creating a new Vader, with all the sufferings it would cause throughout the galaxy, or end it there right here right now? Deep moral question, worthy of a wise like Luke.

            The problem is, he’s just got caught in the middle of his inner moral deliberations.

      • December 15, 2017 at 6:53 am
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        A complete betrayal of the character… so sad.

    • December 15, 2017 at 6:48 am
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      Because then you get Darth Maul with robotic legs and Boba Fett living.

      • December 15, 2017 at 6:49 am
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        As opposed to a girl becoming a jedi in a week and no Luke?

        • December 15, 2017 at 6:50 am
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          You do not know if either are true

          • December 15, 2017 at 6:50 am
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            I just got back from the movie. So yeah I do.

          • December 15, 2017 at 6:53 am
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            Right – and you do not see any disjoint between Reys vision of the past in TFA and what is revealed to her in TLJ?

          • December 15, 2017 at 6:55 am
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            I think Rian’s intentions are clear…. she has no special lineage… that is one of the major themes of the movie.

          • December 15, 2017 at 6:56 am
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            So now just anyone with force abilities knows how to fight and use the jedi mind trick lol.

          • December 15, 2017 at 6:56 am
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            I think it was illustrated by those kids at the end. Possible force users who are essentially nobodies

          • December 15, 2017 at 6:57 am
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            Force users yes. Trained jedi no.

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:07 am
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            And lift hundreds of boulders….

          • December 15, 2017 at 6:56 am
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            Lineage may not be important. But there is a gap remaining in the TFA flashback and the TLJ reveal.

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:00 am
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            Rian has pretty much walked back on much that was stated in TFA.

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:03 am
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            Nope – it is there to be explained in full in the next episode. Parts of the same vision were completed here.

          • December 15, 2017 at 11:16 am
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            Which one? I’m interested.

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:09 am
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            It is remarkable though because special lineage – and midichlorians – were despised by many. Just goes to show you can’t make everyone happy.

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:15 am
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            I don’t care about a special lineage….. but I do care about a believable progression in a Jedi’s abilities and the Heroes Journey. Rey goes from complete novice to Jedi in less than a week. What is put on screen does not feel earned in any form. Unlike Luke’s journey and the trials he faced.

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:16 am
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            Too early to judge that

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:20 am
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            But that is literally what has happened in TFA and TLJ….

          • December 15, 2017 at 6:59 am
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            i see huge disappointment between Anakin’s light saber calling to Rey and her past. Rian has ruined this entire trilogy and he at least owes fans an apology. JJ cannot save episode 9 after this episode.

        • December 15, 2017 at 6:54 am
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          A week? Was it even that long?!

        • December 15, 2017 at 6:54 am
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          A week? Was it even that long?!

          • December 15, 2017 at 6:55 am
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            Wasn’t it less than a day that they had left of fuel? What a convenient plot line. We’ve run out of fuel so we better stall.

    • December 15, 2017 at 7:39 am
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      One thing is guaranteed…. by the end of Episode 9 the Skywalker family will be extinct. No redemption for Ben Solo.

      • December 15, 2017 at 8:21 am
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        Which really sucks. I think it devalues Luke’s triumph in the OT. Now if Luke had died of natural causes, and then Ben Solo became Kylo Ren because he was manipulated? Maybe. But Luke supposedly causing that? Now I wish they had stopped at Episode 6, and just made spin-offs.

        • December 15, 2017 at 8:45 am
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          Going into TLJ, I assumed Luke had exiled himself and found the 1st Jedi Temple for a very good reason. Like Obi-Wan and Yoda in the OT I assumed he had a plan for turning the tide against the darkness. Something hidden in the ancient Jedi texts… God was I wrong 🙁

  • December 15, 2017 at 6:58 am
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    There is a small hole between TFA book (not the movie) and this movie, someone could say TFA movie too.

  • December 15, 2017 at 7:04 am
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    Man they better explain why Rey had that vision when she touched Anakin’s lightsaber. I mean heck, do all these random force users have visions of the skywalker family.

    • December 15, 2017 at 7:07 am
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      Do you need more explanation?

      • December 15, 2017 at 7:11 am
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        Obviously. “That lightsaber was calling to you”, yet why? She’s a nobody…

        • December 15, 2017 at 7:14 am
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          ***** SPOILERS ******
          She is the one who brings him back.
          And remember the wall box/drawer in the Falcon at the end.

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:15 am
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            Your point? Either her or Luke placed them in there. All it really represents is them wanting to continue the legacy of the Jedi.

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:16 am
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            Don’t worry she bacame a Jedi in a day she will become a master in a week.

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:30 am
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            She will definitely do everything better than that useless Skywalker

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:41 am
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            If she had overpowered Snoke I was gonna get up and leave. But it’s okay they killed him off before we knew anything about him instead.

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:47 am
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            So I guess all those hints in the new EU of a mysterious Dark power in the Unknown Regions were for nothing!

            Don’t worry though, Disney has 3 years of novels, comics, and videogames to explain Snoke and his motivations!

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:18 am
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            To be honest I would not be shocked if JJ completely reverses that revelation and makes her a Skywalker.

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:23 am
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            I always thought JJ could bring a solid Star Wars movie post TFA (it was designed to bring back Star Wars), but I doubt that’s going to happen with Disney at the reigns. And TLJ might be the first indication on where they plan on taking these movies creatively speaking.

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:27 am
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            ‘Forget the past. Kill it if you can’
            Very apt for what Disney is doing with the sequels now. Killing the OT and the characters we love.

          • December 15, 2017 at 11:12 am
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            You know, the OT still exists.

          • December 15, 2017 at 9:57 am
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            My thoughts exactlly, Kylo could have been lying.I imagine JJ is a little insulted deep down about his ideas being thrown out esentialy.What was the point of snoke after all that.

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:18 am
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            I am not going to tell, it is the light blah blah… because that is the interpretation you should do yourself.
            Nobody understood the force in ANH, it is not Newton Physics, it is a tale.

      • December 15, 2017 at 7:14 am
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        yes. Please explain it to us.

        • December 15, 2017 at 7:15 am
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          Not to you.

          • December 15, 2017 at 3:15 pm
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            I would like to -out of mere curiosity and interest.

          • December 15, 2017 at 3:56 pm
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            **spoilers**
            Snoke more or less explain it in the movie.
            The force in its balance brings Rey to compensate Kylo darkness.
            It is easy and elegant explanation.
            Anakin light saber I believe is not about family, it is about Jedi and Light side.

          • December 15, 2017 at 3:56 pm
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            **spoilers**
            Snoke more or less explain it in the movie.
            The force in its balance brings Rey to compensate Kylo darkness.
            It is easy and elegant explanation.
            Anakin light saber I believe is not about family, it is about Jedi and Light side.

          • December 15, 2017 at 3:58 pm
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            I’m OK with your explanation.

            But still, they developed in the new EU all that stuff with kyber crystals and so on… Though I admit, there is nothing really firm in all this new messy lore around them (they appear as very different things in Catalyst than they were in Clone Wars, for instance).

          • December 15, 2017 at 4:12 pm
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            Well, the only new stuff in TLJ I think is this huge telepathic power.
            And that connect with our world, from the OT to today what have changed is comunication, so I see it as a wise change to connect with the 2017 audience.
            Wiser than showing other skills developed, like telekinesis or lightsaber battles. I believe they had more room and motivations to explore telepathy, it is the big hit of the movie in my opinion.

    • December 15, 2017 at 7:44 am
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      Because…. hey, why not! The Force can now do anything! Anyone can become a Jedi in under a week! Don’t know why it took so long for Obi-Wan, Anakin, Luke and every other Jedi who trained from childhood??

      • December 15, 2017 at 7:45 am
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        Damn. When you take that into consideration, it’s hard not to hate this trilogy. No respect for the Jedi that came before them, not to mention one of them being Darth Vader, arguably the strongest force-user to have lived.

        • December 15, 2017 at 7:51 am
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          As I said somewhere else, it looks like the Skywalker’s will be extinct by the end of Episode 9. Probably so that Disney can introduce their own patented Force family – the Spacerunners or something equally stupid.

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:53 am
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            “Spacerunners” LMAO!

            Yeah. They only care about the money.

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:53 am
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            “Spacerunners” LMAO!

            Yeah. They only care about the money.

    • December 15, 2017 at 11:25 am
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      If someone strong in the force touches a Skywalker lightsaber they might see some things. Makes “sense” as far as anything in these movies does.

  • December 15, 2017 at 7:47 am
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    Despite the fact that Snoke was pretty much a plot device for Kylo’s story, I think it’s possible he could still be alive. Thoughts? I remember hearing from the cast that he is a ‘survivor’. His whole body is deformed as Andy Serkis pointed out, maybe this isn’t the first time he’s been in this situation.

    • December 15, 2017 at 7:54 am
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      I don’t think that was Rian’s intention. So he could add yet another ‘shocking’ twist, he has killed Snoke permanently.

      But again I would not be shocked if JJ awkwardly brought him back.

      • December 15, 2017 at 9:53 am
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        Snoke, like so many characters in TLJ was wasted.

      • December 15, 2017 at 9:53 am
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        Snoke, like so many characters in TLJ was wasted.

        • December 15, 2017 at 7:59 pm
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          [*SPOILERS*]

          Re: Snoke was wasted?

          Spoiler warning please.

  • December 15, 2017 at 8:33 am
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    On a positive note, looking forward to the Shooting Stars edit with Leia floating through space. XD

    • December 15, 2017 at 9:53 am
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      SLAY BABY SLAY

      • December 15, 2017 at 10:12 am
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        I feel so bad for Daisy and Adam, who worked so hard last time to make the franchise feel human and real again, only to follow it up with this breathtakingly incomprehensible piece of shit.

  • December 15, 2017 at 9:16 am
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    I coudn’t disagree more. TLJ is god-awful, and, at least for me, has broken the franchise. It tries to be light and funny, but ends up being so silly that it almost feels like a spoof, esp. Hamill’s performance, which is painful to watch.

    I wasn’t moved or thrilled for a second, the movie didn’t feel like Star Wars but like a Guardians of the Galaxy or Avengers flick, and maybe that’s the tone that Disney now goes for in all their stories.

    Anyway, I am hugely disappointed. I wanted to love this movie, and now I’m despondent that Star Wars has been handed to Johnson. That’s just a minority opinion, I think, but that was just the worst Star Wars experience I ever had.

    • December 15, 2017 at 9:37 am
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      The key word is TONE. It doesn’t feel Star Wars. The cinematography, the camera angles, heck even the COLORS — it looked like a live action Anime-version of a SW movie.

      • December 15, 2017 at 9:42 am
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        Yes, Anime is a good comparison. Not just in terms of cinematography but also in terms of story telling. Johnson quoted the new Battlestar Galactica – which had a very strong opening – but completely failed to capture the sense of drama and urgency. It really was just slapstick.

  • December 15, 2017 at 9:27 am
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    Haters gonna hate as usual. They spend 2 years bitching about TFA being safe and derivative, then crap on a guy who actually gives us something genuinely fresh and new and with the craftsmanship of a visionary filmmaker. I swear to god this fan base is worse than Star Trek fans.

    • December 15, 2017 at 9:32 am
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      No, the movie is objectively bad. For instance, the Canto Bight chapter took 35min of screen time, but made no sense, and could have been easily cut without changing the story.

      The characters were cartoonish, and the tone was that of a Marvel movie. And that’s not ok in a space opera like Star Wars that takes itself seriously and is set to Wagnerian themes.

      Of course, Disney can do to Star Wars whatever they want, but I now understand why Hamill didn’t like the script. It’s just silly. And if I want silly, I go for a Marvel movie like Thor. I take Doctor Strange any time over TLJ.

      • December 15, 2017 at 9:36 am
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        Amen to you – 100% correct. As I predicted months ago, Canto Bight / Rose / etc was an EYESORE and a TIMEWASTE. Yet everyone flamed me relentlessly for my thoughts. And tonight Twitter is on FIRE with people cursing this movie.

        • December 15, 2017 at 9:39 am
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          Yeah and then the idiotic silliness like Luke throwing his lightsaber over his shoulder when Rey hands it to him. That’s just slapstick – 4th grade school play kinda stuff. JJ made the end of TFA emotionally meaningful, and then that. Jesus.

          • December 15, 2017 at 9:41 am
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            Luke throwing the Saber was Rian TAKING A SHIT on the entire TFA film. That moment retroactively RUINS the ending of TFA.

          • December 15, 2017 at 9:46 am
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            TLJ retroactively ruins all the Saga films. Johnson really turned this movie into Ace Ventura in space.

            Anyway off to bed. Man do I regret going to see this movie late on a school night.

          • December 15, 2017 at 9:53 am
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            I’m with you and I’m so sorry Rian hurt you so badly.

          • December 15, 2017 at 11:22 am
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            I guarantee Johnson gave it so much more thought than you give him credit for. Luke has his reasons for reacting that way and they are spelled out during the movie. Try to put yourself in his shoes. His pupil murdered students and joined the space nazis. He has a right to be fed up with this cycle.

            I hope you can warm to the movie after giving it some time to sink in and watching it again.

      • December 15, 2017 at 10:32 am
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        Cartoonish characters are not OK in a SW film? Really? You have a giant walking ape man, a fat slug gangster, a garbage can on wheels, a prissy gold sassy robot, a tiny frog man and a village of teddy bears for Pete’s sake. And that’s a serious cast of characters created for mature adults only? Get real.

        • December 15, 2017 at 11:19 am
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          You are spot on Crixxxx. Thank you! I am sad that people not only didn’t like it but really actively hated it, but they are entitled to their opinions.

      • December 15, 2017 at 11:32 am
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        What do we see in the Han-Leia subplot of Empire? Wasn’t that a considerable amount of screen time, too? It’s all just running and hiding. They run from the Empire, hide out in the slug monster, get caught again by the star destroyers, hide again in the back of the destroyer, escape with the trash, go to Bespin get the hyperdrive fixed, then get turned over by Lando. The Finn and Rose mission to Canto at least has an objective rather than running and hiding. It failed, but it was an interesting subplot.

        • December 15, 2017 at 11:59 am
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          Hey but they fall in love. That’s worth something.

    • December 15, 2017 at 9:35 am
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      We wanted a Star Wars Movie not an Anime confluence of Mary Poppins meets Harry Potter meets the Matrix. One of the most derivative films I have seen (of any genre) in my lifetime.

      • December 15, 2017 at 9:39 am
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        Oh please. You decided to hate this movie months ago. Actually seeing it was only a formality. You wanted a predictable Luke Skywalker superhero fanboy pleaser movie. Stop trying to pretend like you had any objectivity going in.

        • December 15, 2017 at 9:40 am
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          Funny to see the comments rolling in one after another on what I could “feel” months ago. Hell maybe even I have the “force.” if some b*tch kid with a Broom can have it, then I guess I can too 🙂

          • December 15, 2017 at 9:43 am
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            Oh, I’m sorry. I guess that was the other Kent Kaliber who spent the last several months trashing the film. Go back and read your own comments, dude.

          • December 15, 2017 at 9:45 am
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            Yes — for months I trashed the following: (1) Rian Johnson’s disrespect for Luke Skywalker. (2) Canto Bight / Rose being a huge waste of screenspace and time. (3) Pre-emptive anger that we could not get Luke in a LightSaber battle.

            And all 3 not only came true, but were WORSE in the film than even I expected with my already low expectations.

          • December 15, 2017 at 9:48 am
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            Wrong on all counts then, wrong on all counts now. Move along and find a new franchise to bitch endlessly about. We’ve had about enough of it here.

          • December 15, 2017 at 9:52 am
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            OK which of my 3 points above is incorrect ? Rian completely shat on SW in worse ways than I could even expect. Mary-Poppins-Leia? That constant Marvel-style humor? And Rose tho? LOL

          • December 15, 2017 at 10:07 am
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            Rose was not useless like you said she would be. She was fine. Leia’s using the force to return to her ship ruins the movie? Why??? It’s one scene. I hate to break it to ya but Star Wars is full of silly humor bits. Ewoks, Jawas swinging from rontos, slapstick droids, singers and muppet creatures in Jabbas palace. And I’m not even bringing up any of George’s godawful attempts at humor in the prequels.
            How was Luke Skywalker disrespected? Because he didn’t stay as the perfect, safe Jesus superhero you thought of him as for years? Because he showed doubt and frailty and lost faith and was allowed to act like a real human being instead of a flawless omnipotent figure?

          • December 15, 2017 at 10:18 am
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            Lol! Rose was utterly useless in the narrative. The Casino planet (the mission that makes her story arc) added only two things: Del Toro and a chance for Phasma to fight Finn. Everything else was pointless. You can decide yourself whether either of the two things are good or not.

            But then what does Rose do? She takes away this awesomely staged self-sacrifice. I was genuinely pissed when she knocked Finn off out of the way. But I won’t fully judge it until the next Episode.

          • December 15, 2017 at 11:18 am
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            Finn destroying that weapon ultimately wouldn’t have changed much in that moment. He was just blindly giving in to his anger at the First Order. Poe realized this fact after learning his lesson from earlier in the movie. You gotta know when to go all in and when to hold back. A really nuanced moment.

          • December 15, 2017 at 11:42 am
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            The goal was also to make the point that bold convoluted plans which are so often brought up by the naive characters in Star Wars (with a nauseating excess in the comics) can just utterly fail sometimes. That was refreshing. Now, suddenly, you are interested again, because you know things can turn wrong for the Rebels.

          • December 15, 2017 at 12:15 pm
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            Absolutely. So many of the movies had the good guys hatch a plan that went exactly as hatched. This movie was about failure and overcoming failure. Each of the characters on all sides.

          • December 15, 2017 at 1:04 pm
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            The only reason that happened was because they weren’t told the escape plan. Why weren’t they? There’s no reason to withhold that information. It needlessly caused that convoluted plan and a mutiny. Almost all of their plot line felt useless and then it was useless. I liked the idea of deconstructing that Star Wars tradition, but could it have been done worse?

          • December 15, 2017 at 2:01 pm
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            I think they withheld the information because it was a shitty, desperate plan, and all the trigger-happy boys like Poe would have tried to come up with something else anyway.

            After all the plan was: let’s wait that our vessels are shot one by one, gather everyone in our main cruiser as it happens, then let’s send everyone off to bury in a forgotten planet hoping the bad guys won’t notice, while we wait for our main and last vessel to be blown out. At the end, nothing is left of the fleet, and everyone’s trapped in the same place. No wonder they didn’t want to tell that to everyone.

            Also, this plan was a plan in the extent that they could get to the planet unnoticed. And yet people were already trying to desert. So, if they had tell everyone that there was a secret Rebel base to hide in, some people would have rushed out there and revealed everything to the First Order behind them. It had to be done at the right moment.

            What I personally wonder is, if it was so easy for two pilots to go somewhere else during the chase, why nobody went to warn the so-called ‘allies’ of the Resistance (they could have lured them in knowing Snoke was there in the out and the perspective of striking a decisive blow).

            What I don’t get either is what exactly was the piece of information DJ sold to the Empire. How did he know there were ships trying to reach Crait?

          • December 15, 2017 at 3:05 pm
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            I think they weren’t told the escape plan because it was a very bad one; wait for all our vessels to be shot down one by one, until every one is gathered is the main cruiser, then evacuate everybody on a forgotten planet hoping the First Order don’t notice.

            Plus, I think the crucial reason is that there were already deserters amidst the Resistance, due to the desperate character of their situation. If they had known that there was a secret Rebel base nearby, they would have probably become impossible to contain, and some of them would have rushed out towards the planet, revealing it all to the First Order. Hence, the need to keep quiet about it.

            What I don’t get is how DJ was aware of these fleeing vessels when he sold that information to the First Order. This really bugged me then and I still can’t find an explanation.

          • December 15, 2017 at 12:30 pm
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            Yeah but he wasn’t going to make it.

          • December 15, 2017 at 11:15 am
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            Such a bummer if you can’t like that lightsaber battle. It was a thing of beauty. He was schooling Kylo in the most Zen way possible, like a samurai master. Fantastic scene.

    • December 15, 2017 at 9:38 am
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      lol. This is some funny shit.

    • December 15, 2017 at 9:38 am
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      lol. This is some funny shit.

    • December 15, 2017 at 10:08 am
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      Why is it a good movie? And how does it not pander to the original trilogy? ‘Running out of fuel” please. Rey being a nobody, confused and then all of a sudden she’s going to take on Snoke? Not to mention her dialogue was laughably bad. That poor mans recreation of Vader convincing Luke to join him? I bet you giggled your dumb-ass all the way home at all the humour in this movie. Try to enlighten us as to how this was a good movie.

      • December 15, 2017 at 10:13 am
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        Because it brought more to the table than just a predictable helping of fan service, which I bet you were looking for. You may want to explain how the other SW films were humorless, serious films when you have Ewoks hitting themselves in the face with slings, Jawas swinging from rontos, droid slapstick and Jar Jar goddamed Binks, that icon of Star Wars seriousness and solemnity.

        • December 15, 2017 at 10:14 am
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          We hate the Prequels so you can’t use the JJ comparison. Yes he’s horrible every second he’s on the screen. Kinda like Rose in TLJ.

          • December 15, 2017 at 10:16 am
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            Explain why Rose is horrible. What does she do that offends you so much? How are her actions in any way as idiotic and pointless as you make them out to be?

          • December 15, 2017 at 10:17 am
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            I like Kelly Tran the actress. The character was terrible, out of place, and a screenwaste in this film. Put her in the Han Solo movie and I’ll cheer her all day long. In the film about THE LAST JEDI, I don’t have time for her bumbling nonsense.

          • December 15, 2017 at 10:19 am
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            How was she a bumbler? She saved Finn’s ass on multiple occasions.

          • December 15, 2017 at 10:21 am
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            I’m done with dialogue about Rose. You love her, that’s great. She’s honestly the least of my critiques for this horrible film.

          • December 15, 2017 at 10:27 am
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            So you can’t back up your arguments with anything substantive. Got it.

      • December 15, 2017 at 10:13 am
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        I agree with every observation you made here Kylo.

  • December 15, 2017 at 9:29 am
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    Just saw the movie. It was fantastic (in my spoiler free opinion). Do yourself a favor and go see it before learning any of the major plot points.

  • December 15, 2017 at 9:37 am
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    Ok. I just saw it. I don’t know how to feel. Sad mad happy all of the above. It was definitely different like they said but not in a good way. I feel kinda let down. How can the essence of what Star Wars has been since it started be gone. The snoke part pissed me the fuck off! THat was cheap. THE force was like not even sacred anymore like it’s some magic tricks canto bight was kinda pointless bught Too much humor and rose.no kylo helmet and voice Not enough Luke the last jedi!the ending didn’t didnt make sense

    SO that was the negative in my Opinion. The postive it was new definitely lots of empire strikes back moments.yoda mark hamill Porgs

    • December 15, 2017 at 9:43 am
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      You nailed it. Canto Bight, Rose, Finn — that whole deal and planet was SUCH a waste of time and actually has NO impact on the story if you delete it. Terrible film and was SO disrespectful to one of our childhood heroes.

  • December 15, 2017 at 9:39 am
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    Before writing #TheLastJedi, I seriously think Rian Johnson did Acid — laughed at the beloved Fan Theories —– and then watched Mary Poppins, Harry Potter, and The Matrix. I wish I was joking. May the Broom be You.

    • December 15, 2017 at 9:48 am
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      And with you

    • December 15, 2017 at 10:04 am
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      Why are you copying and pasting your own comments again?

  • December 15, 2017 at 9:50 am
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    Seeing the kids leaving the Theater tonight in disappointment, seeing one little girl CRYING asking her Mom over and over why Luke wasn’t Rey’s dad….. that is an image and a voice I will NEVER forget. Rian Johnson basically SHAT on the entire Force Awakens Film — from the disrespectful beginning of Luke throwing away the Saber (which DESTROYS the beautiful ending of TFA) to the completely disappointing reveal of Rey’s parentage —- TLJ was the worst cinematic experience of my lifetime. Period.

    • December 15, 2017 at 11:11 am
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      Bummer. I’m sorry you feel this way. It’s way more sad if Luke turned out to be her dad, because he would have been a horrible dead beat father. “Protecting her” would not have made up for leaving her to be raised by a soul less junk dealer on a dangerous and back water planet.

    • December 15, 2017 at 4:46 pm
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      None of that happened in the theater I was in. People were clapping, cheering, laughing and gasping along with the movie. Several scenes got huge applause. Everyone was really into the movie & having a good time. For sure, there were no little kids sobbing over plot points.

      • December 15, 2017 at 6:25 pm
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        I don’t buy it. In my theater there was DEAD SILENCE at the end. The only thing that could be heard were groans and mumbling and audible eye-rolling. Lots us were talking as we left (we didn’t know each other) – and we ALL agreed it was horrible. Sad.

        • December 15, 2017 at 6:41 pm
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          Whatever. The only groan from the audience was a shirtless scene — and that was followed by laughter at a character’s funny reaction. I realize some of you think you that heard “audible eye-rolling” from everyone. The fact is, that’s a pretty small minority of the actual audience. The theater I was in was filled with fans who cheered clapped and gasped along with the movie.

  • December 15, 2017 at 9:54 am
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    SPOILER: Did Poe Dameron say “Big Ass Door”?

  • December 15, 2017 at 10:09 am
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    I’m not so much interested in the actual act of homo sex as I am in it’s applications in the field.

  • December 15, 2017 at 10:11 am
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    I knew it. I knew fans would hate it as soon as it finished. It’s non-traditional and breaks up what Star Wars is, but that’s what I love about it. More major risks, please! More “messy” storytelling, please! This was different and I loved it! I want more!

    • December 15, 2017 at 10:12 am
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      A movie can be different and innovative without being a convoluted mess.

      • December 15, 2017 at 10:12 am
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        I mean I felt like I was watching a Zack Snyder movie.

      • December 15, 2017 at 10:12 am
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        I mean I felt like I was watching a Zack Snyder movie.

        • December 15, 2017 at 10:17 am
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          Go ahead shitstain, say it. Tell me to kill myself. The rest of the world, myself included, agrees with you wholeheartedly.

      • December 15, 2017 at 10:13 am
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        Are you saying I should kill myself for loving this movie and genuinely thinking it’s good? Because if you aren’t, thousands of other people certainly are.

        • December 15, 2017 at 10:22 am
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          Well that escalated quickly.

          • December 15, 2017 at 10:23 am
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            I’m goddamn serious here, I feel like fucking trash. I feel like I really should punish myself for enjoying this movie and thinking it was good.

          • December 15, 2017 at 10:23 am
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            I’m goddamn serious here, I feel like fucking trash. I feel like I really should punish myself for enjoying this movie and thinking it was good.

          • December 15, 2017 at 10:24 am
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            You can punish yourself without killing yourself lmaoo. For enjoying this trash I think a simple 5 day hunger strike should do the trick.

          • December 15, 2017 at 10:24 am
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            94% of critics thought it was good. But a bunch of wanker fanboys didn’t get their predictable Luke Skywalker asskicking movie so they’re bitching about it.

          • December 15, 2017 at 10:25 am
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            94% of critics are sexual predators tho.

          • December 15, 2017 at 10:26 am
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            Hey, if they say sexual predation is good, who am I to disagree?

          • December 15, 2017 at 11:17 am
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            Despite the fact that Luke kicked ass anyway.

          • December 15, 2017 at 10:25 am
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            I like The Phantom Menace. I have my rewrites in my head, but I enjoy the film. Clone Wars to a lesser extent on the enjoyment and a greater extent on the rewrites. Revenge of the Sith I love with slight rewrites.

            I don’t want to kill or hurt myself, though.

          • December 15, 2017 at 10:28 am
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            I don’t want to. I need to. Me continuing to live is extremely bad.

          • December 15, 2017 at 10:30 am
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            Source?

    • December 15, 2017 at 10:13 am
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      You like messy stories? Gotcha.

      • December 15, 2017 at 3:11 pm
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        Why do you not form any comment that is positive? The fact your every comment is negative and sometimes a little profane, it proves you to be trolling a lot of peoples thoughts and feelings on the movie and star wars in general. Everyone has an opinion, those opinions may or may not differ from yours. That does not mean you have to pop up in every comment of the movie and shoot down peoples opinion.

        • December 16, 2017 at 1:34 am
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          This guy isn’t a troll. He’s another hardcore fan that didn’t get the movie that he wanted. Ironic that you acknowledge everybody having an opinion. It may be negative, but it’s an opinion all the same.

    • December 15, 2017 at 11:08 am
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      Totally agree. I had the same reaction. Loved most of these divisive moments and felt like many fans are going to hate it.

    • December 15, 2017 at 11:15 am
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      Agreed, I loved this film. I watched Star Wars in 1977 from the back of my parents’ stationwagon when I was 5. I don’t care if someone doesn’t like something about Star Wars. I prefer to share the positive, and leave the rest behind. The original Star Wars was perfect for that time, and so was the rest of the trilogy. This movie was challenging, spectacular, psychological, and complex. Perfect for these times. Can’t wait fo Ep. 9 already!

  • December 15, 2017 at 10:15 am
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    I’ve see it twice now and after sleeping on it I don’t know how I feel about it. Loved the throne room fight, space battle and luke but Snoke was wasted, Lukes departure was uneeded and floating leia was just stupid. I have a feeling that JJ will retcon alot for the next film.
    I’m not excited for Johnson triolgy and if the Solo movie is less than spectacular then i feel we are back in franchise trouble.

    • December 15, 2017 at 10:18 am
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      Even the great JJ won’t be able to salvage this. Rian johnson SHAT on the entire Episode 7. This trilogy is now damaged beyond repair.

      • December 15, 2017 at 10:19 am
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        Chris Terrio is a masterful writer.

        • December 15, 2017 at 10:22 am
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          Joss Whedon will do last minute rewrites.

          • December 15, 2017 at 3:09 pm
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            Judging by the one-liners he was already put to work on this

      • December 15, 2017 at 10:20 am
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        Help me Dave Faloni , you’re our only hope.

        • December 15, 2017 at 10:28 am
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          Agreed – Dave Filoni or JJ would have handled TLJ far better. Mr. Looper was NOT a good choice.

  • December 15, 2017 at 10:33 am
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    If Rian wanted to withhold the plan on how they would escape and bring it to the point of mutiny, why wasn’t there a legitimate reason to do so? It was just there so that there could be drama. So superficial. Heck, all that was needed was the question of a spy in their midst. Maybe have that be why such an important mass of the Resistance was being hunted down and almost wiped out (on numerous occasions throughout the film). That sells Poe’s distrust. That sells the withholding of information.

  • December 15, 2017 at 10:33 am
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    If Rian wanted to withhold the plan on how they would escape and bring it to the point of mutiny, why wasn’t there a legitimate reason to do so? It was just there so that there could be drama. So superficial. Heck, all that was needed was the question of a spy in their midst. Maybe have that be why such an important mass of the Resistance was being hunted down and almost wiped out (on numerous occasions throughout the film). That sells Poe’s distrust. That sells the withholding of information.

  • December 15, 2017 at 10:39 am
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    *spoilers*

    Wasted Snoke
    Superman Leia
    Ugly Yoda
    Milk Sucking Luke

    These were real WTF moments, but somehow I still don’t feel unsatisfied. The rest of the movie delivered. The humor was spot on. Bit afraid the above scenes may become incurable over time and delve into TPM territory.

    • December 15, 2017 at 10:48 am
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      I still don’t get why they can’t sculpt a Yoda puppet like Stuart Freeborn’s Empire puppet. The Phantom Menace puppet looked awful and the CGI one was too fakey cartoonish CGI. while I applaud the return to puppetry, that sculpt was quite off the mark as well.

      • December 15, 2017 at 11:02 am
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        Was a bit odd, but it grew on me. His characterization was utterly charming and impish again for the first time since Empire.

      • December 15, 2017 at 1:03 pm
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        You guys know it was ROTJ Yoda right??? I liked that he was back in crazy Yoda terrritory…

    • December 15, 2017 at 11:04 am
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      I thought the Leia moment was just lovely. What she did was totally in line with what we’ve seen force users do in the past. I can see how it would be very divisive though.

      Snoke was a cut rate Palpatine in TFA so I didn’t mind TLJ undercutting his character rather than expanding on him. He’s a manipulative, wealthy, a-hole who poisoned Ben to use him for his own ends. He pushed it too far and lost his life. The end.

      • December 15, 2017 at 11:09 am
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        something about Rian’s delivery just doesn’t match SW aesthetic and tone.

        • December 15, 2017 at 12:02 pm
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          I disagree but you are free to disagree with me! Our ideas of what is “Star Wars-y” can evolve. Most of Empire was incredibly different from ANH in a lot of ways and some fans were divided at the time but now most see it as sacrosanct.

      • December 15, 2017 at 12:42 pm
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        I agree. I admit that I was pulled out of the moment by it at first, but I’ve learned that for me, this can also be the sign of something good that I need to pay attention to. The entire first fifteen-thirty minutes of the film was like that for me, actually. But once I let Leia’s scene just be what it was, I was amazed at how uniquely they portrayed her connection to the Force – while indeed being in line with the abilities of force-users.

    • December 15, 2017 at 1:09 pm
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      About the « Superman Leia »… 1. We all knew she was force sensitive. 2. She does not fly, she floats like everything does in space. 3. Nobody has issues with Force push, so why are you pissed by Force pull? 4. The surviving in space thing has always been around in SW. I liked that scene

      • December 15, 2017 at 1:47 pm
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        You got a point here. With inertia, even a simple little Force push backwards should be enough to propel you. What was weird to me is that she had no momentum.

    • December 15, 2017 at 2:39 pm
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      I call it Mary Poppins Leia but man I can’t believe what I saw.

    • December 15, 2017 at 2:39 pm
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      I call it Mary Poppins Leia but man I can’t believe what I saw.

      • December 15, 2017 at 4:08 pm
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        I even played the John Williams Superman theme in my head..

  • December 15, 2017 at 10:55 am
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    SPOILER QUESTION: I just saw the film once. Who are the Knights of Ren? Were they the praetorian guards? Or was their whereabouts not addressed in this film?

    • December 15, 2017 at 11:01 am
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      That’s one of the many amazing questions that Rian failed to address, at all.

    • December 15, 2017 at 11:02 am
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      **spoiler answer**
      I understood from Luke that Ben Solo left and burn with some of the students, I assumed those are the Knights of Ren.

    • December 15, 2017 at 11:02 am
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      **spoiler answer**
      I understood from Luke that Ben Solo left and burn with some of the students, I assumed those are the Knights of Ren.

      • December 15, 2017 at 11:04 am
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        The knights of ren didn’t exist until he became KYLO REN.

        • December 15, 2017 at 11:34 am
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          I would like to know his path.
          I missed that in the movie.
          From Bloodline, it is supposed that discovering Darth Vader was Leia father was the begining of everything.

    • December 15, 2017 at 11:04 am
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      Its mentioned Ben took a handful of students with him when he burned down the new Jedi order. So most likely they are out there running other ops for the first order since it is now the only governing body in the galaxy.

    • December 15, 2017 at 11:05 am
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      It’s definitely an odd choice to not expand on the Knights of Ren.

      • December 15, 2017 at 11:44 am
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        Yes, truly.

      • December 15, 2017 at 11:57 am
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        This ^

        There’s a lot left lacking plot/story wise and even more that feels deflected. I loved the movie as a Star Wars movie, but (as one who grew up with the Legends EU), this plot/story just feels extremely disjointed at this point.

        • December 15, 2017 at 2:38 pm
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          You were fine with the Leia Marry Poppins moment? I wasn’t.

    • December 15, 2017 at 11:06 am
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      Luke said Ben has taken a handful of his students with him before slaughtering the remaining padawans at the temple. But their whereabouts are still unknown.

    • December 15, 2017 at 11:07 am
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      More than that I was hoping for a quote in the movie that could explain deeper the path to the dark of Ben Solo:
      That moment in Bloodline when in Bloodline he knows about Darth Vader, Leia and Luke.

  • December 15, 2017 at 11:20 am
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    **spoilers**
    I believe this is one of the best Star Wars movies, if not the best. I am agree with the post.
    Unlike most opinions I read, for me one of the best storylines is the one of Rose and Finn.
    The movie is about a total defeat, The Resistance created by Leia reduced to a handful of people. The story, SW 7 too, it is about those few people.
    I believe the Resistance fleet was going to be defeated anyway, in the Base, in the Space or in Crait, it was a question of time, so the movie had to explain us how facts developed, and more important why First Order suffered great loses too.
    The coincidence makes in the movie that the great failures of the Resistance, Poe bombing and later the Canto Bight adventure and Rey capture, became, thanks to Vice-admiral Holdo sacrifice, the great damage for the First Order, we don´t know to what extension, but they lose Snoke to start.
    Trailers totally teased us giving Poe in them Holdo words “… we are the spark…”, I am eternally thankfull for that because we couldn´t see the movie plot coming.
    From the trailers, I also believed a different balance of forces, the final of the movie is heart breaking, even when First Order could seem the loser.
    In my opinion is an excellent movie, and reading all comments here, it seems I have appreciated in my first view different parts than other people, I certainly love Rose character.

    • December 15, 2017 at 12:05 pm
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      ANH is still the king by far for me for being so artfully simple and perfectly constructed, but loved TLJ. Glad you did too!

      • December 15, 2017 at 12:18 pm
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        You are right, where all this started should be out of the league as it is the masterpiece for the rest.

  • December 15, 2017 at 11:20 am
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    Alright SPOILERS!!

    Just came back. Definitely need to see it a second time, it was a lot to take in. I liked it a lot, idk if I love it yet, and it’s way to soon for me to form a new rank. I enjoyed the film and appreciate it’s boldness, I could have done without the comedy in the opening segment though. Everything else was fine, I see people complaining of Rey becoming a fully fledged Jedi in a matter of days which I find ridiculous because I saw no such thing. All I saw was a girl who may be powerful in the force, but nonetheless got rag dolled around by Snoke and struggled with some Preitorian Guards. It takes more than moving rocks to be a Jedi. She still has much to learn. Snoke is dead, and good riddance, he was a generic cloaked bad guy character who offered nothing, and I’m excited to see where Ben takes the FO in IX, this is basically “what if Vader killed the emperor and ruled the galaxy” and I am excited for that. I applaud Rian for giving Rey and Ben the connection they achieved in the film and it sets up for a possible romance in the future. Nothing is set in stone there is still time for redemption and I’m sure Rey is not going to give up on that. Yoda puppet was horrible, but that can be fixed, and Luke’s send off was beautiful. Overall an enjoyable Star Wars film which was not afraid to take risks.

    • December 15, 2017 at 11:23 am
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      Believe me, you will keep thinking about the movie for hours… it is overwelming.

      • December 15, 2017 at 11:25 am
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        It really was, I was speechless at the end to be honest. A very confusing feeling lol. But I cannot wait to watch it again!!

      • December 15, 2017 at 11:25 am
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        It really was, I was speechless at the end to be honest. A very confusing feeling lol. But I cannot wait to watch it again!!

        • December 15, 2017 at 11:29 am
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          ESB and RTOJ are basically 2 storylines that sometimes collide.
          This movie is 3 or 4 colliding too, more difficult to manage and to catch.

    • December 15, 2017 at 11:37 am
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      Just finished my first viewing of the movie and I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said with the exception of the possible Rey / Kylo romance in the future. That I don’t care to see. And I did kinda like the comedy in the opening segment (Hux is a bit of a tool, and Poe was treating him accordingly). But every other point you made, I’m just about in 100% complete agreement with you. Yoda did look “off” to me, and I couldn’t understand why he looked so weird…

      The movie was definitely….different. Rian Johnson is bold and boy did he take some chances. Many people complained that JJ didn’t take enough chances with TFA, and now perhaps the pendulum has swung too far the other way. I was expecting to hate the movie after most of the comments here and what others were saying online, but I did enjoy it. It wasn’t perfect, and I certainly don’t agree with everything Rian did – but I certainly didn’t hate it. This one is going to take a few (or maybe even a dozen) viewings before a full opinion can be formed I think…

      • December 15, 2017 at 11:54 am
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        Just saw it myself. I loved the film as a film. It embodies Star Wars in such a powerful way. That being said (IMO—which some will disagree with) the plot/story feels extremely disjointed at this point. I just hope JJ can wrap it all together with a lovely red bow without employing too much lens flare to get the job done…

      • December 15, 2017 at 9:12 pm
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        I find it ironic how people were gripping that JJ didn’t take enough risks, yet Rian Johnson when taking bold risks is being criticized as well?

        For granted, I can see someone saying the risks aren’t too bold, but for me personally; I enjoyed it. That could change on a second viewing, but genuinely I found myself wanting to see it again.

        But I have a terrible feeling that LF is going to go all hyperreactive and dismiss RJ and basically have JJ Abrams go back to what he did. And that to me, pisses me off.

        Because, really, I love ROTJ, but really it clashes a lot with ESB. So really, this maybe history repeating itself.

  • December 15, 2017 at 12:36 pm
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    How can anybody say this one was “different”, in what way was this a different SW-movie? Please explain this to me. I guess it’s a little different
    to kill off all of the mysteries from the previous film, but that is just shock value. Is it different because there is no Death Star in this one?
    Absolutelly nothing different is brought to the table here. And no, it was not courageous nor different what happened to Luke. We already had that in the previous one.

    • December 15, 2017 at 3:03 pm
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      There was a heck of a lot of ESB and ROTJ in this one. Just like TFA was very ANH and ESB. What will the next one be a combo of?

      • December 15, 2017 at 3:13 pm
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        Prequels?

  • December 15, 2017 at 1:28 pm
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    Am I really not getting it? Almost all the film critics (although haven’t heard from Kermode yet) seem to praise it, yet as I read here, in other forums and in newspaper comments as well as my own opinion the main word seems to be “disappointment’. Is Disney paying these critics? Saw it twice on the day and once again subsequently. My opinion hasn’t changed. Simply “Disappointment”. It had some excellent scenes, the last half hour was tremendous, the flick on the shoulder was perfection, but that’s it really. Plot holes abound, hashed up story line. I’ve been in such a sad mood for 3 days now.

  • December 15, 2017 at 1:28 pm
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    Am I really not getting it? Almost all the film critics (although haven’t heard from Kermode yet) seem to praise it, yet as I read here, in other forums and in newspaper comments as well as my own opinion the main word seems to be “disappointment’. Is Disney paying these critics? Saw it twice on the day and once again subsequently. My opinion hasn’t changed. Simply “Disappointment”. It had some excellent scenes, the last half hour was tremendous, the flick on the shoulder was perfection, but that’s it really. Plot holes abound, hashed up story line. I’ve been in such a sad mood for 3 days now.

    • December 15, 2017 at 1:46 pm
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      The shoulder flick almost made me walk out of the movie. Also the Matrix slow mo under the lightsaber. It just wasn’t Star Wars. Also who knew we needed a your mom joke in Star Wars. I really don’t think I liked the movie.

      • December 15, 2017 at 2:41 pm
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        Completely agree. The slo-mo, shoulder flick, Maz’s “Oh yeah” comment, etc, etc. So many moments in this film were NOT star wars.

        • December 15, 2017 at 3:09 pm
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          I also agree for the Matrix thing and for Maz Kanata lubricious hint. But the thing with the lightsaber… It’s an guaranteed laugh everytime I picture this scene in my head.

    • December 15, 2017 at 2:58 pm
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      If you need conspiracy theories to justify why other people liked something maybe it’s you whose argument is weak and not them.

  • December 15, 2017 at 1:55 pm
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    Whoever said this movie is a master piece is on f**king crack.

    • December 15, 2017 at 3:24 pm
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      John Hoey said it.

  • December 15, 2017 at 2:23 pm
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    I loved almost every scene with Rey, Luke, Kylo and Snoke but everything else felt like a waste of time and characters. For every moment that I was in awe of The Last Jedi, and there were many, there was another cringeworthy or nonsensical moment that completely ripped me out of the movie. The Last Jedi drops important threads from The Force Awakens while picking up others that we didn’t need to see. There’s no explanation for Rey’s use of the Force in The Force Awakens but Phasma is brought back so that she can be killed two minutes later?

    I hope I enjoy The Last Jedi more the second time I see it. As for now it does two things for me. It makes me much more excited that J.J. is coming back for Ep. 9 and it makes me much less excited for the Rian Johnson trilogy.

  • December 15, 2017 at 3:04 pm
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    Liked a lot the movie, not perfect, but really strong movie.

    I wanted more Finn and Rey, just 5 minutes in the movie…
    Phasma got a book and comic for THIS??
    The way Snoke was kill i am trying to accept
    DJ is a interesting character, but poorly used.

    Note 8,5/10, i need to see again to put TLJ in my SW rank.

    • December 15, 2017 at 3:07 pm
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      Well, I haven’t read the comic book yet, but the novel was poor at best, so… Maybe it helps to explain why she felt defeated once her mask was cracked by Finn, so that the fight was basically won at this moment.

  • December 15, 2017 at 3:08 pm
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    SPOILER AHEAD
    When I first came out of the theater, I thought I was pleased. But then disappointment grew strongly.
    Three points :
    – like in the VII, we still don’t have a clue about the (military) balance of powers : what exactly represents the New Order ? And the Resistance ? What about the Republic or other non-NO armies ?

    – between the VII and the VIII, there is : one second intermission in the Rey-Luke arc, and 3 hours intermission with Finn-Poe-Leia Arc (they are leaving the base they were at the end of the VII). That’s too short ! In the OT or prequels, how many months separate two episodes ? MANY at least !

    – how long is the VIII itself ? Very short in fact ! A couple days for Rey-Luke (which is ridiculous), and a couple hours (10 hours ?) for Finn-Leia-Poe (escaping, hiding, escaping) – and in the meantime useless Finn-Rose 4 hours light speed round trip.

    For me, that are the general and main mistakes for this Disney movie : not enough patient !

    • December 15, 2017 at 3:13 pm
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      Interesting points.

      With the first I can but fully agree with you.

      As for the second, we were warned about it. At least it will spare us the crazy stuffing of adventures between ANH and ESB (in the comic book series, Luke is much more powerful than he will be in the wampa cavern, for instance).

      Regarding the third, I more or less agree, although I felt this movie was less fast-paced than Rogue One and TFA, especially the former where basically, there is no true dialogue.

    • December 15, 2017 at 3:19 pm
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      ***spoilers***
      The novel Bloodline give some answers to your first point. Leia starts the Resistance group at the end of it from zero, so it is not a proper army, it can not be great. First Order I think have years adventage organizing their Fleet secretly.
      The Republic Fleet is destroyed in TFA.
      First Order has been capable of building a Death Star in a planet, their Fleet must be huge. They are supposed evolving from the remains of The Empire hiding off the limits of the Republic.

  • December 15, 2017 at 3:15 pm
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    I now think they should just end the saga franchise after Episode IX.

    There’s really only 2 ways the movie’s plot can travel:
    1. The good guys on the attack needing some large kind of target (e.g. a super weapon or army).
    2. The good guys on the back foot retreating across the galaxy whilst being pursued by the bad.

    Then, throw in all the components that make the architecture of a SW movie.

    Stray from any of the above constraints, it’s criticised as a betrayal. Or, god forbid they deliver on, it’s branded a rehash.

    I loved both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi. Two very polar different movies. But, I can’t see any way forward past 9.

    RIP The Skywalkers.

    • December 15, 2017 at 3:23 pm
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      ***spoilers****
      The good guys are 8 and 3 droids, as we know, and one kid in Canto Bight.
      This movie shows the total defeat of the resistance, and the ascension to power of Kylo Ren. But at the end of the movie, none of us feel like that. It is curious.

      • December 15, 2017 at 3:32 pm
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        exactly, the strangest thing being Poe or someone saying at the end of the VIII “war has just begun”, as we weren’t already exhausted by all the fast paced and confused events of the VII and the VIII combined (Starkiller destroyed, Republic defeated, Snoke killed). Therefore it sounds fake

        • December 15, 2017 at 3:33 pm
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          Well, I think we just have to imagine they have some allies anywhere in the galaxy and they will start a new resistance, like in Star Wars Rebels.
          I believe Poe was meaning that kind of begining.
          If you analyze the movie and TFA, it is about the characters surviving this battle.

        • December 15, 2017 at 4:45 pm
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          To be fair to Poe the entire events of TFA and TLJ occur in the space of several days.

          • December 15, 2017 at 5:44 pm
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            RIGHT?! Heck, Finn meets Rose, travels to a new planet – searches the entire place for the guy with a red flower – gets arrested – escapes – easily infiltrates a bad-guy ship – finds the secret unhackable thing – hacks it – gets blown up – fights Phasma and wins without breaking a sweat – goes to the surface of the salt planet – battles some more – almost gets fried – gets kissed – and celebrates…. ALL IN THE SPAN OF SIX HOURS.

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:41 pm
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            And you thought your day was busy!

      • December 15, 2017 at 3:33 pm
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        Factor in resistance friendly factions spread across the galaxy who’ll answer the distress call sent out on Crait. The new alliance will band together and the finished output will be a [insert Episode Title] rehash or be perceived by some as another betrayal to George Lucas.

        • December 15, 2017 at 3:37 pm
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          I believe it needs time to organize and to train as a Jedi.
          So they could give us a 2 years gap for the next story.
          That would be fair.

          • December 15, 2017 at 3:55 pm
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            I agree. A large time gap seems the best thing to do.

        • December 15, 2017 at 3:55 pm
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          Well, people say that the biggest betrayer of Lucas was Lucas, so… Betrayal everywhere.

          • December 15, 2017 at 6:48 pm
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            True.

  • December 15, 2017 at 3:26 pm
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    Watching a new Star Wars film is similar to eating a Big Mac: I leave the theatre satisfied, but as hours pass by, the feeling is replaced by one of unfulfillment and even disappointment. I agree with parts of the review (especially with the accomplished sense of despair and the well-timed comedic moments) but such an enthusiastic praise doesn’t always feel genuine (as other already noted) and it undermines some truly nice aspects of the new trilogy.

    I would say despite the fact most of the movie felt like a rehash of ESB and ROTJ, that it was rushed and overcrowded at times, that too little was explained for the proper flow of the trilogy and that some of the blunt twists seemed included just for the shock value… I enjoyed The Last Jedi. Honestly.

    With that said I hope I won’t later regret my opinion like when I look at those greasy McDonald’s leftovers…

    • December 15, 2017 at 3:39 pm
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      As you may know, if you leave the burguer from that fast food chain unfinished over your desk for one year, it will look exactly the same after that time.

      • December 15, 2017 at 3:53 pm
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        Indeed, check the last burger in Iceland!

      • December 15, 2017 at 5:49 pm
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        This talk is making me hungry… 😉

  • December 15, 2017 at 3:55 pm
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    I bet the reason why Colin Trevorrow left episode 9 was because of Rian Johnson’s Script. it all makes sense now.

  • December 15, 2017 at 3:59 pm
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    ***SPOILERS***
    I am pretty sure I hated this movie. There were so many things in there that wasn’t Star Wars and didn’t feel like Star Wars. The Matrix Style slow motion ducking under the lightsaber, Luke brushing his shoulders off, the reach out and Luke ticking Rey with a leaf. The your mom joke. Leia’s Mary Poppins/Superman float back to the ship. Killing Ackbar! Luke chucking the lightsaber once he gets it. The most challenging thing Rey faced this movie was lifting some rocks at the end, and to find out her parents are Mr and Mrs. Nobody is a real let down. Canto Bite was pointless and BDT character of DJ was a complete waste of time, never mind the 2 minutes of Captain Phasma before her death as well.

    The action pieces were done well, the lightsaber fight was great. Seeing and hearing puppet Yoda and him lecturing Luke felt really authentic, but that was really it for what I did like.

    If everyone complained that TFA was too much like A New Hope, then was too much of a swing in that other direction. Everything you thought you knew about Star Wars or expected this movie to be is turned upside to a complete fault.

    • December 15, 2017 at 4:00 pm
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      Regarding the fact that Rey’s parents are no one, it was already pretty hinted at by JJ Abarams and Daisy Ridley back in the days following TFA… But no one wanted to believe that.

      • December 15, 2017 at 4:19 pm
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        I suspected that it was that as well, but I don’t appreciate the movie playing with it and building it up for it to be nothing. It was a complete commentary on the fandom following it.

      • December 15, 2017 at 6:25 pm
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        It was always the only explanation that made any sense. Born on Jakku, raised on Jakku, Abandoned on Jakku.

  • December 15, 2017 at 4:13 pm
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    What a complete disater.

    Super liea!

    Luke is a miserable old man milking a space walrus and gets bested in a staff duel by somone not trained in the force.

    Did luke really od on the force?

  • December 15, 2017 at 4:14 pm
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    I don’t know how this can get a 98/100, I love Star Wars, I wanted to like this. I think it really fell short. There was a lot of good, new twists, interesting surprises and good character moments. But there were almost as many boring and pointless scenes. It’s the first Star Wars movie where I think 1 viewing will be enough for me. I was really hoping for something else it seems.

  • December 15, 2017 at 4:24 pm
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    The critics here are not haters. They have some valid points. TLJ is a jarring mixture of genres. It pretends to be a dramatic space opera with a full orchestral score, but its teenage-angst ridden characters and dramatic but predictable plot twits are borrowed from Marvel super hero movies. Adult characters are completely unbelievable, there is no real character development, but Matrix-style combat scenes as if it were 1999. Add in completely pointless but long plot lines and you have a very bad movie, even if you like Johnson being clever and subverting every character for the fun of it. Maybe I’m too old to appreciate filmmakers like Johnson (who is actually exactly my age) being so meta. But jeez, has none ever heard about how the suspension of disbelief makes for a successful SciFi/Fantasy movie, unless it’s a spoof, which is how TJL feels the morning after.

  • December 15, 2017 at 4:30 pm
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    Too much humor and ill-placed at times
    the shoulder flick and lightsaber hitting Rey’s head on the way back to Snoke were so dumb and really undercut what are supposed to be serious scenes

    Yoda looked alright, but too frothy, kicking his legs like a child – needed more of him taking a more serious tone

    I guess that’s my biggest issue – aside from some story details – the movie is tonally random

    • December 15, 2017 at 4:33 pm
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      Luke tickling Rey with the leaf was the biggest eye-rolly moment in the history of Star Wars.

      • December 15, 2017 at 4:38 pm
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        for me, that would have worked much better if he wasn’t such a grump three minutes before

        levity is fine when it makes sense

        • December 15, 2017 at 4:44 pm
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          yes, precisely. I laughed in every single SW movie – even in the prequels. Not in this one.

      • December 15, 2017 at 5:05 pm
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        I would say floaty Leia or Jar Jar standing in space shit.

        • December 15, 2017 at 5:23 pm
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          Those are Top 3 for sure.

  • December 15, 2017 at 4:31 pm
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    Waking up today after seeing the movie last night felt like waking up the morning after your favorite football team loses the Super Bowl. As a long time Star Wars fan, I was looking forward to this movie like no other. The Force Awakens really excited me for the potential of the franchise. However, I left the theater very dissapointed. the critis ratings are a sham in my opinion. They must be bought by Disney. After all Disney owns almost all of Hollywood now, so who will oppose them?? I can sum up the movie in one sentecne – Kathleen Kennedy, Rian Johnson and Lucasfilm took a big sledgehammer and basicaly “decimated” the entire world George Lucas created in the last 40 years. Its basicaly saying “screw you” to the fans and redefining the entire frnachise. Some may like that..but I dont. On the film side, I hear that Johnson was a genius, and that there are possible Oscar performances. Really? The story was terrible. It lacked any meaningful exposition, there were plot holes galore, very little character development, and the film overall lacked cohesion. There were too many things going on at once. Canto Bight was a waste. DJ was a waste. The acting was sub par. I can understand why Mark Hamill “fundamentally disagreed” with Johnson’s interpretation of Luke. And as bad as that was- he was the best actor in the film alongside Andy Serkis. It was the longest and most meaningless Star Wars movie ever. I have no interest in where the story goes next and think that Disney and Lucasfilm are overindulging in their hubris to tell their own version of Star Wars. Just as a side note- I like The Force Awakens much better. I saw it twice in the theater. It was paced much better, and felt more like a Star Wars movie. Can’t say the same for this one. I never want to see it again. This is Star Wars according to Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy. It may be new but new isn’t always better.

    Edit: I think I read in a recent interview where Mark Hamill described his disagreement with Johnson as being a matter of what the fans want. And I believe it was Rian who said, I don’t care what the fans want, its what I want. And Lucasfilm entrusted him with the franchise?

    • December 15, 2017 at 4:32 pm
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      This movie didn’t feel like it connected to the OT or even the Force Awakens.

    • December 15, 2017 at 4:35 pm
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      Yes, absolutely. They want to make it into something that chimes with their Marvel stuff. I guess they think that’s a winning formula. But SW was always its own thing, and they have just done away with that. I think this will cost them. And yes, the reviews are a sham, except for the ones in foreign and independent US publications like the New Yorker.

    • December 15, 2017 at 4:42 pm
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      I told my wife and son as we left the theater that i believed that Disney paid for those positive reviews.

      • December 15, 2017 at 5:13 pm
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        Please. You need a conspiracy theory to explain why people liked it? Funny how Disney forgot to “pay” them for the last Pirates of the Caribbean movie, which they tore to shreds.

      • December 15, 2017 at 5:13 pm
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        Please. You need a conspiracy theory to explain why people liked it? Funny how Disney forgot to “pay” them for the last Pirates of the Caribbean movie, which they tore to shreds.

        • December 15, 2017 at 5:45 pm
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          Crixxxx, do you seriously believe that Disney would be above such a tactic? Or any company for that matter? The initial reviews or the reviews you are reading here…It’s up to you to decide what to believe. I can’t and won’t decide for you. I stated how I felt and what I think and I stand by it.

          • December 15, 2017 at 6:18 pm
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            You are honestly proposing that hundreds of critics are all in on a scam to lie about liking a movie, and they all are completely complicit, risking their journalistic integrity? And it’s well over 200 critics who are in on the scam? Give me a break.

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:17 pm
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            Wow…just wow…lmfao.

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:27 pm
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            Ok I wasn’t going to say anything because this conversation is literally going nowhere but, journalistic integrity? That’s rich!! do you know a journalist that has integrity?

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:31 pm
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            So you are honestly proposing that hundreds of people are complicit on a scam rather than admit your opinion was different from theirs. OK. Got any compelling theories about the government planning 9/11? The moon landing being faked?

          • January 30, 2018 at 10:00 pm
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            This comment right here disqualifies you from any reasonable discussion.

          • February 1, 2018 at 8:01 pm
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            Troll much? lol I must have really got under your skin.

          • January 30, 2018 at 10:00 pm
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            Do you have proof of such allegations? No? Then you are making things up.

          • January 30, 2018 at 10:00 pm
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            Do you have proof of such allegations? No? Then you are making things up.

      • January 30, 2018 at 10:00 pm
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        I hope they told you that you are insane for saying that.

    • December 15, 2017 at 4:45 pm
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      off course they have paid reviews, i remember TFA the critics were praising it like crazy and then well it was a remake of episode 4

      • December 15, 2017 at 4:56 pm
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        They are not paying them. It’s about access. You don’t get background interviews, behind-the-scenes information, and other tidbits to tease if you write bad reviews. And if you have nothing to report, you will lose out on stories, and if you can’t bring in stories that sell, you won’t make money as a journalist.

    • December 15, 2017 at 5:23 pm
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      I seem to remember an old George Lucas interview where he was talking about film making. He said, in effect – “if you do your job right – you don’t have to TELL people something in the movie – you SHOW them” There were so many times Last Jedi feels the need to ‘tell’ us the plot: “We only have 6 hours of fuel left!”, “Kylo Ren is evil.”, “We only have 400 rebels left!”, “They’re picking us off!”, “We only have 13 ships!” blah, blah, blah… bad storytelling…

      • December 15, 2017 at 7:39 pm
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        The narrative when Rey enters the mirror maze …

      • December 15, 2017 at 7:39 pm
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        The narrative when Rey enters the mirror maze …

        • December 15, 2017 at 8:38 pm
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          Haha yeah, that took me out of the story like nothing else. This film took the plot and disjointed it in every way possible.

      • December 16, 2017 at 12:24 pm
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        Those “flashback” versions of Luke trying to kill Kylo, I prefer a scene like those with obi wan and luke were with just few words they told a lot. Imagine obi-wan telling luke with a flashback that Vader kill Anakin, and then a flashback when vader tells luke he is his father, and then obi wan saying to luke “from a certain pont of view..” with another version of the same flashbak. that’s to much information. I prefer smart an simple storytelling.

      • December 17, 2017 at 5:23 pm
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        Nonsense. Every star wars film is FULL of expository dialogue. Every single one.
        This is not a Terrence Malik film. These are fantasy films for kids. And there’s not a kid I know who doesn’t love this movie.

    • December 15, 2017 at 8:37 pm
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      This is the exact same analogy I’ve been using to describe my feelings, though for me it’s not about Lucas, but the saga itself. Disney (meaning Kennedy and Abrams) has taken a sledgehammer to the Skywalker saga and decimated it in order to recreate Star Wars in their own image.

      This trilogy is far less a continuation of the story and far more a cyclical remake. The only way for this trilogy to make any sense is to say it’s a continuation which slipped into a new dimension where the Rebellion kicked off late in the timeline. I don’t know how else to think about it to accept the direction they’ve taken it.

      I say this as one who grew up with the OT as a young child, grew up with the PT as a teen, and read almost every EU novel and comic.

    • December 17, 2017 at 5:21 pm
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      Thank god Rian didn’t care what care what the fans wanted.
      He made a really intersting movie. And the more I think about it, the more everything character-related makes perfect logical sense. Plot and story are a little more contrived, but so is EVERY Star Wars film
      My 6 1/2 year old Star Wars freak son, as the movie wiped to the directors credit, SCREAMED: “THAT WAS A GREAT MOVIE!!”
      That was me in 77-80-83

      There’s magic in this film. Even if some grownups have become to old at heart to feel it.

  • December 15, 2017 at 4:40 pm
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    I was kinda disappointed in The Last Jedi. To me it was a jumbled mess with no real narrative. There were whole plot points introduced and dropped all within the same movie. I see now why Mark Hamill was not happy with the direction they took Luke in. To me it was a wasted opportunity. IMO The Force Awakens and Rogue One were both way better Star Wars movies.

  • December 15, 2017 at 4:41 pm
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    Man, im going to see the movie on monday i know who lives and dies in the movie(was impossible to avoid)… but why is getting so bad reviews?? no spoilers please

    • December 15, 2017 at 4:48 pm
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      because it doesn’t work as a movie. It’s badly written, can’t decide on its tone, lacks truly compelling characters (yes, Rey, Luke, Leia and everyone else would be forgettable if we had not met them before), and forces good actors into terrible performances. If I were Domhnall Gleeson, I would be really pissed at Johnson for making me play a silly caricature of a Nazi wimp.

      • December 15, 2017 at 4:50 pm
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        oh damn so i guess i have to wait and see but now we re stuck with this guy an entire trilogy

        • December 15, 2017 at 4:52 pm
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          well, if they make less on TLJ than on the TFA, because fans hate it, Kennedy can always fire him. She surely isn’t above such things. I for one will not pay to see this movie again.

        • December 15, 2017 at 4:52 pm
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          well, if they make less on TLJ than on the TFA, because fans hate it, Kennedy can always fire him. She surely isn’t above such things. I for one will not pay to see this movie again.

          • December 15, 2017 at 5:14 pm
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            The movie will make a ton of money no matter what. this is exactly what Kennedy wants in the franchise. I doubt she will fire him. RIP Star Wars as we knew it.

          • December 15, 2017 at 5:38 pm
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            Sure, it will make money, but I’m not sure that the Marvelization of SW will pay off. Audiences like different franchises for what they have to offer, not more of the same. But you are right, it’s a business, and unlike Lucas, Disney and Kennedy – and Johnson – couldn’t care less about SW. To them it’s a cash cow, which is why Lucas bemoaned that he had sold his baby to white slavers. He should have found a worthy successor to continue to run Lucasfilm, and not cashed in on it

    • December 15, 2017 at 5:05 pm
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      It’s not getting bad reviews. It’s getting overwhelmingly positive ones. 239 positive reviews against 17 negative ones as I write this. Some fanboys are mad because it wasn’t a safe, predictable helping of fan service and actually took some major risks and challenged preconceptions about certain characters being flawless perfect heroes, which is what they want to see rather than characters with human frailties and imperfections. Whenever you challenge the expectations of fans, you’re asking for trouble. I fully understand now why JJ Abrams did what he did with TFA. Better to take complaints about it being too similar than frothing hate about it being different.

      • December 15, 2017 at 5:40 pm
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        It has a truly awful audience score of 62% on rotten tomatoes. Some people look at these and not the published reviews.

        • December 15, 2017 at 6:20 pm
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          Yeah it pissed off a lot of fan boys, of course it did. Johnson took all of their safe expectations and threw them in the trash. If he wanted their approval, he would’ve made another fan pleasing movie like Rogue One.

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:18 pm
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            Dude we get it…you like the movie…are you seriously going to argue with everyone that points out it’s flaws?

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:28 pm
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            I’m sorry for discussing things on a discussion board. Don’t know what I was thinking. No one ever debates the quality of Star Wars films here. It’s unheard of.

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:42 pm
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            The problem is you aren’t debating anything!! you’re attacking people who weren’t wowed by the movie! You’re resorting to childish tactics of calling us names because we didn’t like it as much as you. look man…seriously it was an ok movie to me. not great…not bad. here’s how I rate the SW movies…
            1 – The Empire Strikes Back
            2 – Return Of The Jedi
            3 – The Force Awakens
            4 – A New Hope
            5 – Rogue One
            6 – The Last Jedi
            7 – Revenge Of The Sith
            8 – Attack Of The Clone
            9 – The Phantom Menace

        • December 15, 2017 at 6:53 pm
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          It’s not getting bad reviews he says, no it’s getting absolutely trashed for the clusterf*ck it is by those that matter, the paying public as opposed to the payed off critics. Currently 93% critics and 60% audience, compared with 93% 89% for TFA, 85% 87% for RO, 79% 65% for ROTS, 66% 57% for AOTC, 55% 59% for TPM, 80% 94% for ROTJ, 94% 97% for TESB and 93% 96% for ANH. And we’re supposed to believe that critics haven’t been bought off, LOL.

          Edit: it’s now at 58%, gone down 4% in three hours a fully 35% difference to the fake reviews “critics”. It’s now lower than the Phantom Menace, that’s some achievement Johnson you hacking vandal, harder to do than making a great movie.

      • December 15, 2017 at 5:59 pm
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        Ah what a load of BS. The only way this movie is different is in the skewering of what has gone before. There’s no true originality or imagination in that, but there is supreme arrogance and immense disrespect, and that’s what people are raging against, as you well know.

        • December 15, 2017 at 6:14 pm
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          Please. You want safe, predictable SW movies were none of your preconceptions are challenged and your favorite characters are preserved as flawless superheroes. Go back to watching Rogue One.

          • December 15, 2017 at 7:36 pm
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            Ah ah! Yes!

          • December 16, 2017 at 12:29 am
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            Why don’t you cut the sh!t for once in your life. Nobody wants safe predictable movies as you so disingenuously and insultingly claim and as far as I can see nobody has mentioned wanting those things you’ve claimed above either, so your whole argument is a complete straw man. Oh and since you’ve brought up flawless superheroes, what do you think MaRey Sue is? God you’re such a condescending git, it’s no wonder you like this movie. By the way, audience score on RT is now 56%, officially the worst of any the Star Wars movies and heading for a nearly 40% difference to the fake reviews critics, but yeah it’s only a few curmudgeons who dislike this movie.

          • December 16, 2017 at 5:17 am
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            Oh God, i’m the one talking shit? Really? You’re the one bitching about feminism ruining this movie. You complain about Rey being a Mary Sue like all the other internet manboys parroting a talking point they probably had no idea what it meant prior to TFA. You’re such insecure little boys that you can’t possibly identify with anyone who doesn’t have a dick. You have no problem with untrained, inexperienced protagonists doing great things in a space fantasy movie if they’re male – even if they’re small slave boys building advanced, jet propelled pods, complex droids, or saving the day blowing up enemy spaceships from the inside. But god forbid a 20 year old woman in the same series can use the force to do some great things. So don’t talk to me about shit talking.

          • December 16, 2017 at 6:40 am
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            Yep, you’re the one talking shit and shit talking, you don’t argue Crix you bitch, insult, name call and set up straw men. As I said, you talk about it being ridiculous for people to expect Luke to be some sort of flawless superhero, yet you’ve no problem with Rey being one, pure hypocrisy and double standards. I’ve no problem with heroic female characters by the way, Ripley from the Alien series is one of the all time greats, but she earned it, through adversity, as did Leia.

            My problem with this movie and all feminist claptrap is the preachyness, the self righteousness, the superior attitude, the hypocrisy e.g. the clear policy of attempting to raise women/girls up(as if girls in the West are somehow oppressed LOL) by the constant putting down and demonisation and ridicule of men/boys and the stuff they like and feel. Telling them that they’re inherently wrongheaded, irresponsible, impulsive, unwise etc. Skewering and mocking their belief in and love of characters such as Luke Skywalker, a great heroic, fantastical figure to generations of men and boys, as unrealistic or silly.

            I would suggest to those that don’t like Star Wars as it was originally conceived(and it’s quite apparent that many of you are women) then that’s your problem, stop trying to hijack and change something you clearly don’t understand or even really like.

    • December 15, 2017 at 5:11 pm
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      It’s not a terrible film, just has a few off scenes and it takes an open mind.

      • December 15, 2017 at 6:21 pm
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        Open mindedness cannot save a poorly constructed narrative mess with a less than engaging plot. I can almost deal with some of the odd decisions here, but the movie is a mess. Still, I was somehow able to enjoy it on a “popcorn” level.

  • December 15, 2017 at 4:48 pm
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    good things:

    Kylo and Rey scenes
    Film looks great (except Fathiers sequence uneven with respect to special effects – some of it looked bad)
    Luke on rock force projecting – really conveyed the energy and exhaustion
    (needed more of that Luke – the Master)
    Leia was solid

  • December 15, 2017 at 4:52 pm
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    For those of you who hated TLJ. just accept the fact that SW is now Marvel. If you turn off the frontal lobes then the movie is ok. Its “cinema of bewilderment” as Hamill would say.

    • December 15, 2017 at 5:51 pm
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      “Do not go gentle into that good night”

      “Rage, rage against the dying of the light.”

    • December 15, 2017 at 8:58 pm
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      Star Wars movies have always been dumb fun on the surface but if you “turned off your frontal lobes” for this one you did yourself a disservice. This movie has themes and visual metaphors up the wazoo. Most importantly to me, it’s about something. It’s about leadership. Almost every character’s story has something to do with leading or inspiring people or responsibility.

      SPOILERS!!!!!

      Luke thinks the Jedi were arrogant to think they could help the galaxy. Really he’s just angry at himself for failing as a teacher (leader).
      Hux desperately wants to be in charge and for people to respect him.
      Poe has to learn leadership skills.
      Finn is respected as a hero but just wants to run. In the end he accepts the responsibility.
      Rose teaches a changed Finn the same lesson Poe learns.
      Kylo becomes Supreme Leader.
      Rey is looking for parents (leaders) in all the wrong places. In the end she finds the last Jedi, the person who will light the way for the resistance and become a master (leader) of the new Jedi, in herself.

      Now I’m not claiming that The Last Jedi is a smart movie for Mensa members only. It’s a dumb movie carefully crafted. Just like the original trilogy.

  • December 15, 2017 at 4:55 pm
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    Btw Luke contemplating killing Kylo when he was Ben because he felt darkness really paints Luke poorly

    I guarantee that was one of Hamill’s gripes with Johnson

    • December 15, 2017 at 5:09 pm
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      That didn’t bother me, Yoda and Kenobi wanted Luke to kill his own father without telling him he was so Jedi aren’t above such things, and it was a fleeting idea that he shook off. He might well have gone on to try to turn Kylo to the light if he hadn’t woken up, and Luke probably would have succeeded
      Thats life as they say, never goes to plan.

      • December 15, 2017 at 5:16 pm
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        Ah come on, Luke’s father was a traitorous, evil Sith Lord who had helped to obliterate the Jedi Order and who, as a leader of the Empire, had been responsible for countless deaths and misery, young Ben had some dark thoughts.

        • December 15, 2017 at 5:21 pm
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          Ben was a child! Luke was going to murder a kid because he was scared.

        • December 15, 2017 at 5:26 pm
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          yep, that’s the difference

        • December 15, 2017 at 5:40 pm
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          Didn’t Luke see the future Ben or something.

  • December 15, 2017 at 4:59 pm
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    Hey at least we know where blue milk comes from. Who knew a Star Wars movie need to see a bunch of sea creatures graphically getting milked??

    • December 15, 2017 at 5:30 pm
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      Pretty sure that milk was green, bro.