Update! Did Dave Filoni Just Give Us the Most Subtle Hint that Ahsoka Lives!
Ever since the incredible season two finale of Star Wars Rebels there has been one incredibly impactful question that we have all been asking ourselves. What the heck happened to Ahsoka Tano after the jaw-dropping and emotional duel between herself and her former master, Darth Vader? It was the one thing that the show’s third season never addressed at all and with the show going into its fourth and final season, it’s something that needs to be resolved. Well Dave Filoni may have given us the most subtle hint about her fate ever, and shown us that punctuation is everything.
During the panel for the fourth season of Rebels Filoni was wearing a shirt that said “Ahsoka Lives?”. Obviously this is Filoni playing with our emotions, as he usually does, but what he did next is taking that to a whole new level and could have huge implications for next season. After they showed the trailer for the fourth season, in a trolling move for the ages, changed his shirt to “Ahsoka Lives!”. C’mon man! Ashoka lives confirmed? Not confirmed? What does it all mean!?!
While the trailer for #StarWarsRebels was playing, Dave Filoni changed his shirt from “Ahsoka Lives?” to “Ahsoka Lives!” #SWCO #StarWars pic.twitter.com/USthNCZuHH
— Ashley Carter (@AshleyLCarter1) April 15, 2017
Confirmation from @dave_filoni himself… #AhsokaLives!
Switching shirts mid Rebels S:4 trailer. Clever Dave!;)
Ahsoka Lives!!! pic.twitter.com/1hQhyJxyRh
— ALPHA vs B3TA @SWCO (@Iamtheonlyalpha) April 16, 2017
There was no mention of Ahsoka at all in the trailer so it does seem a little odd he would do it. Once again he’s probably just trying to troll us a little bit, but still if that’s his way of letting us know that Snips is coming back, I absolutely love it!
During the Rebels season 4 panel Filoni revealed that despite the fact that the show will end with season 4, this doesn’t mean they are not working on something else. Could this potential new series be connected with Ahsoka somehow? Or maybe he is talking about the newly announced series Forces of Destiny, where Ahsoka is one of the main protagonists? The last bit seems unlikely, since they are just a brief shorts.
What do you think?
May the Force be with you!
Update!
Also, as some of our readers pointed out, don’t forget about this sketch and the Topps cards that Filoni showed during last year’s panel about Ahsoka at Celebration London:
Could she be reborn as the white wolf in Rebels season 4?
As you can see even the markings on the wolf resemble Ahsoka’s tattoos.
@StarWarsNewsNet @dave_filoni @HerUniverse The signs are obvious. 🙂 pic.twitter.com/Su53ynVTSw
— Jedi Knight (@Alias_WiSeMan) April 16, 2017
After this tweet by @Alias_WiSeMan, I think everything is clear. Don’t you agree?
Ahsoka living would be a cop out. It doesn’t make sense she was around during the OT, and the episode was the perfect moment to take her out.
PS: Here’s hoping that they actually kill Kanan and, particularly, Ezra in Season 4. They seem to shy away from that kind of thing, even if the trailer hinted that kind of tone.
One of the reasons CW was superior to Rebels is that they dared to do the dark stuff too.
Ahsoka living *past Rogue One* would be a cop out. But if she dies before the rebels series finale, then all is forgiven imo.
Why would Ahsoka living past ANH be a cop out. Because she isnt working with the Rebllion?
Yoda and Obiwan have shown that often force users must stay out of conflict for the greater good.
There may be a higher reason as to why Ahsoka isnt involved in the rebellion; she may serve a greater purpose.
Maybe. But they better make it REALLY important, or I’ll be unsatisfied. Yoda makes it clear that Luke is the last Jedi, and that he and Leia are the last hopes for the galaxy. Ahsoka can’t be around by the time that happens. I’ll say Episode V.
Ahsoka is not a Jedi.
And Luke and Leia arent the Last Hopes because they are strong force weilders. They are the last hope because they are Vaders children.
And Ahsoka is his friggin’ Padawan. A daughter figure that he trained for a half-decade. So she better die or do something VERY important.
I think Ahsoka has taken the “role” of the Daughter.
She does have her lifeforce in her + they were shown to be able to take “animal” forms
Alternatively, she could have taken the place of the Bendu (assuming it is a Title and there canonly be on at a time). Do we know if the way we saw him was his true form or was it something he selected when he mastered balance? If so could Ahsoka elect the Wolf form.
I prefere the Bendu aspect as it would be a great way of getting Ahsoka into the films. Rey and Luke are looking for balance (the Bendu has mastered that). Having Ahsoka as the Bendu would be great; there would be know need to explain her complex history to causal movie goers (which we the fans know) as she would simply be the Bendu Enitity.
Either way those a Important roles within the universe.
Additionally, Vader doesnt care if Ahsoka was his padawan (he hated obi-wan and that was his father figure). Luke and Leia are part of the only thing Vader truly loves; Padme.
She’s not a Jedi because she says so. She trained way longer than Luke. So she’s a Jedi in all but name.
When Yoda dies he says Luke is to be the last of the Jedi. Having all those almost-Jedi out there doesn’t work much in the spirit of the OT for me.
And Kanan and Ezra keep referring to themselves as Jedi. If they can be called that, I don’t see why Ahsoka can’t.
She is not a Jedi because she abadoned the Order and the Code.
Sure she has more “traditional” Jedi traiing than Kanan, Erza and Luke.
While she is a lightside force user (like Maz Kanata) that doesnt make her a Jedi.
For example she seeks to avenge Anakin. That is a form of revenge and that would go against the code.
To be a Jedi is to follow a certain moral code something she does not.
Yeah, but she already had her death scene moment. But having her survive that, just to kill her again an instant later would be unsatisfying.
But now I’ve bought the wolf theory, so this probably doens’t matter.
I disagree. I think the only way to NOT be unsatisfied would be to have her die “again” at the hands of Vader. Watching the death scene and the learning two years later that she died would be a weird pseudo-retcon. She deserved a proper death.
I think her death scene was proper and quite powerful. Not everything has to happen onscreen, and it was heavily implied that she died there, so it’s not a retcon.
You didn’t have to see the Emperor’s body hiting the bottom of the chasm to know he is dead.
Obviously her fate was more “open” than that, but I think it was that way because they didn’t want to show her dying on screen on this show. The did it in Clone Wars but this has a different target.
She was shown going back into the Temple, and Dave Filoni refused to give a straight answer as to whether or not she died. Her “death scene” didn’t have an impact because it’s NOT a death scene. Her fate was left open. She deserves a proper death, in my opinion, is that’s what’s in store for her.
Filoni said they wanted to do a more up beat show due to CW being so dark. I don’t blame them.
With that said, seems pretty obvious LFL is happy to recon the galaxy to having more Force users running about during the OT.
Kanan is a Jedi Knight per Yoda, but he’s admitted his training is limited. Which by default means Ezra’s is too. Neither are fully trained Jedi nor have the natural ability Luke has with the Force.
Ahsoka is not a Jedi either. Fully trained but following a different path.
CW eventually dared to do the dark stuff, don’t let nostalgia cloud your vision. And let’s be precise- CW is superior to you, because you prefer grimdark, I get it. The season 4 premiere of Rebels was shown at Celebration and if it’s an indication of the tone throughout, you’ll get your darkness. We know Hera and Chopper survive, everyone else is up-for-grabs.
Uhm, no, I don’t prefer grimdark. For comparison, I much prefer A New Hope to The Empire Strikes Back, which would be the fashionable thing to do for grimdark lovers.
CW is superior to me, but not because of the tone. There were better scripts (usually, there’s always exceptions) and it was techincally superior, especially considering the time when each was made. They also dared to break new ground more often than Rebels.
So don’t asume you know me or my tastes with lines like “you’ll get your darkness”, because darkness is not what interests me 😉
I believe CW dared from the start, not that it took it four seasons like you suggest.
That said, I’m not a Rebels hater like you probably asume. But yes, it had the potential to be much better. Some episodes (including a few from this last season) were impressive. But I think we could have done with more of those and less of the filler (which CW also had from time to time).
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Ahsoka is the big wolf in the trailer of season 4, this was hinted by the cards of Dave Filoni last year, she’s “reincarnated” or “transformed”.
If you look at the wall markings on the image of Kanan patting the wolfs head. You can see the progression of a humanoid figure turn into an animal
Looks like a bunny. Jaxxon confirmed !!!!! :p
So it seems they are introducing in some manner reincarnation to Star Wars, beyond that of force ghosts. Seems a bit bizarre for Star Wars when she called of simply been killed off in that epic duel, but we will see how it pans out over time.
It might be a way to segue into a Gray Jedi-focused animated series that takes place in between RotJ and TFA. Maybe a neutral view of the Force opens up new possibilities and abilities.
I wouldn’t think these things would crossover onto the films personally. I know a lot of people that enjoy Star Wars but only the depth of the films, which I think goes for a lot of average fans. Throwing this stuff into a film would really kill the franchise.
Why would it?
It might not, but I sometimes think its asking a lot for the average moviegoer to grasp unless done well. Would work in an anthology story, adding a bit more depth, but if introduced say in TLJ I could imagine a lot of people scratching their heads. Imagine Luke becoming a Bantha instead of turning into a force ghost to stand with the others (that Bantha loving dude will love it btw).
Meh. audiences aren’t as dumb as some people think. If they know what a Patronus is, they can handle Force Wolves.
I think you’re overestimating how much average movie goers care. TFA was not a paragon of tightly written scripts, there was a ton of hand-waving and people at large don’t seem terribly hung up on it. For example, they open the film with a scene featuring a character who seems like he has history we should be aware of- Lor San Tekka- as well as an entirely new religious order (and yet another one in Rogue One).
Well introducing characters has been done before, a lot of people scratched their heads with Grievous whom came from no where unless you touched other sources. Plus minor religious orders are flavour, so not really competing with the Jedi. Changing the whole thing with Qui-gon discovering a way to retain themselves within the force to now include force-wolves seems a bit of a leap. If introduced in a film, people are going to ask why Yoda didn’t mention it before. Yoda are a character the general audience is well aware of and his sayings.
Who is this bantha-loving dude you speak of? Sounds like an interesting chap.
I hear he’s a bit wacky..
They already do it, so that Pandora’s Box is open. Saw Gerrera is the poster child, but they’re doing a lot of worldbuilding in the comics and books that will likely pay off in Episodes 8 and 9. One of the complaints about Rogue One is that Catalyst was almost required reading to understand the big picture.
I didn’t hear anything about that. I didn’t read Catalyst until AFTER I saw Rogue One, and I understood both perfectly.
So does that mean the world building in the comics and books are required reading for VIII and IX?
Straight-up Miyazaki on that wolf! http://www.princess-mononoke.com/webkit/images/056_san_moro.jpg
lol dafuq, they look exactly the same.
I always assumed she wasn’t dead. Never saw it any other way. Hopefully Vader will actually kill her. Never was a fan and I think it’d be good for Anakins story arc.
AHSOKA LIVES!!!!!!!!!
If the lupine Ahsoka theory is true, than what past Jedi is our stalky owl friend?
Plo Koon?
That’d be cool. And make sense, given his skills as a pilot.
It would be interesting to see Ashoka reincarnated as this wolf. No doubt that’ll be interesting given Dave’s love of them, and her, It’s so frustrating hearing people say Ashoka, Kanan, and Ezra HAVE to die or its a cop out. Ashoka herself says she’s no jedi, and based on things said at the panel I wouldn’t be surprised if Kanan and Ezra renounce their jedi teachings for some other way of life. Regardless, there will be complaining. I hope at least Kanan makes it out alive. He’s become one of my favorite characters in all of star wars.
I have a feeling Kanan will sacrifice himself in the finale. He’s found his peace with his past, it seems as though he’s reached a point he no longer feels the need to be present to protect Ezra, too.
Based on that trailer voice-over and Rogue One, I’d say that Kanan, Ezra, Sabine, and Zeb are all toast.
I could see Sabine retiring to be a high-ranking member of the Mandalorian government. Zeb, Kanan, and Ezra are a thousand percent toast though.
Fine with me — I’d love to see more Tiya Sircar on camera / live action if possible.
Except that we never hear of the Mandalorian culture again in the OT, Boba Fett not withstanding. It’s possible that Mandalore is going to get the Geonosis treatment in season 4.
Maybe. I also think that it’s possible that Mandalore and the Empire could strike up a deal and Mandalore would become an isolated planet or something. If all of Mandalore agrees to not join the Rebels in exchange for being left alone by the Empire, i could see it.
Except if Hera really lost all of her crew, would she honestly carry on? Wouldn’t that break her?
I keep telling myself he can’t die, but I agree with you 100%. Could see them giving him that kind of send off.
I think Ahsoka has either taken the role of the Daughter or the Bendu in the universe.
The daughter is more likely given Ahsoka has her lifeforce inside her.
I could also see Kanan taking the role of the Bendu; he was essentially the Bendus student.
Doesn’t Kanan say in the trailer that he and Ezra had to be Jedi to be the balance ? It doesn’t look like he is renouncing the Jedi ways.
Personally, I wish GL had never written the lines about the prophecy and the “balance of the force” in the PT. That concept was not part of the OT and a misinterpretation of what was actually merely a plot device to explain Anakin being taken by Obi-Wan as an appprentice ended up contaminating all subsequent SW wriing, including even maybe now Episode VIII.
While I agree with you that the Balance of the Force plot device is super lame, we’ve been backed into a wall regarding the number of living Jedi at the time of the OT since Yoda made his statement in RotJ. While I’m highly doubtful that Yoda had Dr. X Cerebro powers to feel the presence of ~every~ Jedi in the galaxy, it’s still a pretty powerful statement.
Could it be that Ahsoka has taken on the “role” of the Daughter?
She does have her lifeforce in her + they were shown to be able to take “animal” forms
Alternatively, could she have taken the place of the Bendu (assuming it is a Title and there canonly be on at a time). Do we know if the way we saw him was his true form or was it something he selected when he mastered balance? If so could Ahsoka elect the Wolf form.
I prefere the Bendu aspect as it would be a great way of getting Ahsoka into the films. Rey and Luke are looking for balance (the Bendu has mastered that). Having Ahsoka as the Bendu would be great; there would be know need to explain her complex history to causal movie goers (which we the fans know) as she would simply be the Bendu Enitity.
Oh I like your thinking. Since Ashoka died on the clone wars this might very well be the case. The Father drained the remaining powers of the Daughter into Ahsoka to bring her back to life. Perhaps some of these powers are still in Ashoka after all these years? Very interesting.
I think so too. It’s very Harry Potter-and-Voldemort-esque. If some of the Daughter’s life force is left in Ahsoka, maybe some of her powers are too.
I agree, the wolf is ahsoka
Just like in GoT. 😉
You know NOTHING, Ezra Snow!!!
When I saw the trailer my minded immediately screamed:
“GAME OF THRONES CROSS OVER:DJF:DKFJ:DFKLJ:DF”
i agree too. And I was right about this too https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2bfbbbee074849cda6598c1bb8a256879f7615517edc5ebc850b70a7644854a7.png
Zeb didn’t show up O.o
As long we get answer, I don’t really mind which direction they go with her.
While I never bought for a second that Ahsoka died, what I find most amusing in all of this is that, just today, during Celebration live stream, Mark Hamill talked a couple of times about how he asked George Lucas if there are dogs in the SW universe and Lucas answered “no”. Sure enough, now there’s a trailer with a huge canine and it likely is the “reincarnation” of such an important character.
Dogs and Wolves are different, but related. Domesticated dogs don’t exist, but Dave Filoni LOVES wolves, so those definitely exist.
Weren’t there behind-the-scenes rumors of a furry white beast on Ach-To?
(Good thing she didn’t morph into a Wampa.)
Wait… what? Ahsoka’s a werewolf? As far as potential zany plot twists go, that one would be right up there with Midichlorians. I really hope they’re not going in this direction.
It would actually be cool if she took the place of the Daughter as some of speculated. The Mortis’ keepers were known to take the form of animals. The former daughter was an awesome looking Griffin.
Judging by the drawing, she’s still a person and the wolf is just her ride.
The original ending for Return of the Jedi was for Han to die, Leia left alone to rule her people, and for Luke to go off alone in search of his sister (originally *not* Leia) on the far opposite side of the galaxy. Producer Gary Kurtz was the main proponent of this not-so-happy cliffhanger ending, and he left when George decided to wrap things up nicely with little hint of any future episodes.
Perhaps Kathy Kennedy is bringing the story back to those original intentions
as best she can? At the point we’re at now, Han is dead, Leia is the soul-sick Resistance leader, and Luke went off alone on a mysterious quest. The only thing they can’t alter is Luke & Leia’s brother sister relationship. It could be possible that Ahsoka will be taking the place of the lost original sister character, just re-written as Anakin’s student instead.
In light of the new trailer, Luke seems very much of the same Grey mindset as Ahsoka when she rejected the Jedi hypocrisy — if he found her, they should theoretically get along swimmingly.
(Just thinking out loud here.)
And he learns from her, as she has become a Gray Wolf Force spirit.
MIND = BLOWN
Not sold on the wolf spirit idea just yet, but boy, does she have a lot to teach Luke about (his illusions of) the Jedi.
Kurtz left before Empire was even released, I believe. He wasn’t around for Return of the Jedi’s scripting. I would have to check a book I have at home to be sure.
Gary Kurtz resigned from Lucasfilm in 1979 because he was unhappy with the story direction Lucas was taking with the third film (ROTJ), and it felt to him like a rehash of the first film. Don’t forget — the original three films began as one big movie which was eventually split into three and expanded. That’s basic Star Wars Nerd 101 — we’ve all heard about the idea of the Wookies defeating the Empire at the end of the first film, which was later rehashed in ‘Jedi’ with Ewoks (as well as a rehash of the Death Star).
Here’s the 9-Film outline that was roughly laid out before The Empire Strikes Back was finished. (It was shared by Gary Kurtz at a speaking engagement at the 1999 Sci-Fi Expo in Plano, TX):
EPISODE 1: Focus on the origins of the Jedi Knights and how they are initiated and trained
EPISODE 2: Introduction and development of Obi-Wan Kenobi
EPISODE 3: Introduction and life of Vader
EPISODE 4: There were seven different drafts of the film. At one point, they pursued buying the rights to Hidden Fortress because of the strong similarities. At one point, Luke was a female, Han was Luke’s brother, Luke’s father was the one in prison (interesting point for some debates) and the film featured 40 Wookies
EPISODE 5: Once written, the screenplay of Empire is almost exactly what is seen on screen. The only cut scenes were those involving wampas in the rebel base (cut because of time and unsolved technical glitches) and about two minutes of Luke/Yoda Jedi training with no real dialog.
EPISODE 6: Leia was to be elected “Queen of her people” leaving her isolated. Han was to die. Luke confronted Vader and went on with his life alone. Leia was not to be Luke’s sister.
EPISODE 7: Third trilogy was to focus on Luke’s life as a Jedi, with very few details mapped out.
EPISODE 8: Luke’s sister (not Leia) appears from another part of the galaxy.
EPISODE 9: First appearance of the Emperor.
Well allow me to blow your basic Star Wars 101 mind b/c that’s not true. It’s a myth, one of many that Lucas and LFL have propagated.
http://mashable.com/2014/09/27/star-wars-myths-gary-kurtz/#58sjw_XsJuqs
Kurtz: “But once the final draft was actually locked and the Huycks did their polish on it, there wasn’t enough material to do other movies.”
This is true if you have read the making of books. Lucas had vague outline and ideas, but never full screenplays.
As for the Wookiees, that is addressed: “There were some odd ideas that got thrown out, like the Wookiee planet; that was a cost factor.”
And Kurtz: “But [George’s story on how it is written] is perpetuated by the fact that he and I did interviews at the time of the opening of Star Wars, saying we took a section out of the middle because there was too much material and we want to do more films.”
There is plenty of documentation on this stuff. In the Making Of books, you can even see the changes happen to the script.
I highly recommend “How Star Wars Conquered the Universe” by Chris Taylor, the author of the article I linked. Very informative and dispels a lot of myths that have sprouted up about the saga.
I’ve been in this fight since the 80s and I’ve read everything there is on Lucas, so I think I have Star Wars 101 down, haha.
And an outline is not a screenplay or a script. You can literally write one sentence for a movie and call it an outline. Lucas exaggerated.
I checked the book I mentioned. Kurtz initially mentioned the sad ending as being the original, but when confronted with the fact that he left WELL before Jedi was scripted, he BACKTRACKED and said those were preliminary discussions about the direction of the 3rd movie that they had when Empire was in production. The sad ending was dismissed early on as being “too melancholic”.
So, it’s partially true, but it wasn’t “the original ending”, merely one of many ideas they threw around and eventually threw out.
Sure, if you wanna get literal, “original ending” is the wrong choice of words, and that outline could be one of many. I do know the difference between outline and script (never even mentioned the words “screenplay” or “script”). I don’t believe for a minute that at the time of ‘Empire’, Leia was intended to be Luke’s sis, and I’m mainly fascinated with what could have been.
Just having fun here speculating about Luke, the Jedi, and a possible future for Ahsoka based on an old idea — but thank you for taking all the fun out of it.
I’m sorry that being accurate took the fun out it for me. Not my intention, but implying I didn’t know Star Wars 101 kind of did the same for me. Maybe next time we will both do better,
Not my intention either, but all good here.
(And that’s Star Wars *Nerd* 101 — wear it proudly.)
I have since I was born 🙂
It’s obvious that the wolf has something to do with Ashoka, but Ashoka being reincarnated into a wolf is perhaps a little far fetched.
Yeah. I’m not sold on that idea. At all.
I’m with you on that one.
I agree. Then again, we know these animated series have their own bizarre take on the Force.
Looking at Dave Filoni’s Twitter account, the background drawing seems to be Ahsoka riding a wolf.
I could have sworn I saw her walking out of that Sith temple in the last scenes of season 2? Never figured she was dead..
Yeah, it looked like she walked into the Temple. Maybe it was a Force Ghost.
Look at wall with Kannan and the wolf. It looks like to me (if you read from left to right) That a humanoid is changing into a bunny. Maybe someone figured out some form of transfiguration and Ashoka figures that out.
That’s the Easter Bunny!! 🙂
If the big, white Wolf is Ashoka, then I hope she still uses her lightsabres and fights Vader one more time