The Last Jedi Will Feature A New Version of a Familiar Transport.

Star Wars: The Last Jedi has been kept under wraps ahead of its December release, however, it appears that some interesting new details on the next wave of an iconic ‘original trilogy’ killing machine has surfaced. Read on for more!



Making Star Wars is reporting a new potentially very interesting spoilers for ‘The Last Jedi’. It doesn’t really spoil the film for you, but nonetheless if you want to stay completely spoiler free, stay clear of reading anything further.


Potential Spoiler for The Last Jedi


The interesting bit of information revolves around the First Order’s answer to the Imperial AT-AT Walker which first appeared in ‘Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back‘ during the “Battle of Hoth”. Apparently, there will be new AT-AT style walkers in the upcoming Star Wars: The Last Jedi and they’re called “First Order Heavy Assault Walkers.” They go on to speculate that the Heavy Assault Walkers will take part in a large ground battle sometime during the film. These all new AT-AT’s will be heavily armored, have extremely thick legs and nearly twice the size of its predecessors.


“From the front it resembles a gorilla with its front arms firmly planted on the ground […] it has a high back that slants down towards the rear. The front legs also have a tiny cross-bar type deal that allows its front legs to kind of scoop go forward and then scoop back. In the very brief moment I saw a demonstration of the walking motion, it had a very different rhythm and pace from the classic AT-AT. If I’m not being clear, this thing is a mechanized AT-AT gorilla.”


A Making Star Wars on-staff artist did a mock-up of what was witnessed by their editor.



For what its worth we’ve heard a number of similar rumors suggesting that there will be different and much larger walkers seen in “The Last Jedi”.


Nevertheless, thankfully we don’t have too long to wait to long to find out how much of an impact these ‘First Order’ walkers make in the film. Star Wars:  The Last Jedi  blasts into theaters on December 15th.


In case you don’t remember here is a First Order walker seen in The Force Awakens.



May the force be with you…



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98 thoughts on “The Last Jedi Will Feature A New Version of a Familiar Transport.

  • March 28, 2017 at 8:23 am


  • March 28, 2017 at 8:35 am

    are they those walkers seen in the background of some starkiller base shots? I mean, when the army is standing and Hux gives his speech.

    • March 28, 2017 at 11:10 am

      No, it was stated they are not the ones seen at Starkiller base, these ones seen in TLJ are ‘super AT-AT’s’.

      • March 28, 2017 at 11:18 am

        False, that was not mentioned in these reports at all. Until I see something in the film showing that these are new designs I’m gonna go ahead and assume this is more non-news, and even if they are new designs there is already precedent for the First Order using similar vehicles.

        • March 28, 2017 at 11:51 am

          True! From the original ‘Making Star Wars’ article:
          I briefly glimpsed the new AT-AT style walkers from Star Wars: The Last Jedi. They’re called “First Order Heavy Assault Walkers.” They’re the new AT-ATs we will see in The Last Jedi and they’re not the same walkers we saw in The Force Awakens on the Starkiller Base parade grounds. They’re huge and chunky. These guys are a mix of the old with some new to such a degree the design should feel familiar but new to most. In theory, you should get that these are “super walkers” that dwarf anything we’ve seen before.

        • March 28, 2017 at 1:40 pm

          From MakingStarWars:

          “They’re called “First Order Heavy Assault Walkers.” They’re the new AT-ATs we will see in The Last Jedi and they’re not the same walkers we saw in The Force Awakens on the Starkiller Base parade grounds.”

  • March 28, 2017 at 10:14 am

    Oh how original… a rehash of an AT-AT in the second movie of the trilogy… There will probably be a ground battle on a snow planet too.. and some short jedi training in a green planet with an old Jedi master.. Oh and probably some planet with a big city (Dubrovnik) like Bespin where the final act of the movie will be held.

    • March 28, 2017 at 4:17 pm

      what an original comment.

      • March 28, 2017 at 7:48 pm

        I quite appreciated the comment. If more people were to talk about the fact that TFA and ANH are the same story (I’ll grant not as beat for beat as they could have been) then we (as fans) might have had an impact on the way the future films are made in regards to how many ideas are taken from past films to be incorporated into Lucasfilms new ones.

        • March 28, 2017 at 8:40 pm

          They aren’t the same story, though. They have similar elements, but they are also about Kylo becoming a villain, which is found nowhere in ANH. And the trench run was a climax in ANH, but mere flavor for the true climax of TFA, which was Rey fully accepting her powers, which was not the point of ANH.

          But please continue that tired line of thought.

          “then we (as fans) might have had an impact on the way the future films are made in regards to how many ideas are taken from past films to be incorporated into Lucasfilms new ones.”

          There is nothing I want less than FANS having an impact on what stories are told. Sorry, but the average idea thrown out by fans is putrid. Leave it to the storytellers.

          • March 28, 2017 at 10:23 pm

            I think the point is that they are way too similar, my 10 year old said it before me when we watched it, 10 year olds don’t think like that for nostalgic or negative reasons, they are often much more honest then adults with fantasy and imaginations.

          • March 28, 2017 at 10:46 pm

            Your 10 years said it because “TFA is a rehash of ANH” *uses* a 10 years old logic, since that is true only of your criterion is “visual elements and general narrative”.
            As soon as you apply analytical skills that are slightly more refined than those of a 10 yo, you’ll notice that things like story, plot and characterization are different, that new angles, conflicts and themes are brought in, and that the overall narrative reads more like a summary of the entire OT (1st act: ANH; 2nd act: TESB; 3rd act: RotJ) and closes on a narrative note that is unique to the SW saga. Yes, there are similarities and echoes – in story, visuals and style – but there also new ideas and elements.

          • March 29, 2017 at 2:49 pm

            They are similar, yes. No one would deny that.

        • April 5, 2017 at 3:10 pm

          “… then we (as fans) might have had an impact on the way the future films are made…”

          Good lord, no. Just no. Star Wars isn’t some cooperative endeavor. It isn’t shared storytelling. I’m continually baffled by how many people think they have the right to chime in on the narrative because they’re long-time fans of the property. That line of thinking is incredibly arrogant.

          From what I see online, a fan-generated story-line for a Star Wars movie would be a four-hour Old Republic lightsaber battle between the Jedi Order and the Sith Empire. Boring. That, or a three hours movie of Vader traipsing around the galaxy killing Jedi. Also boring.

          aaaaand…I see that Uncle Deadly already addressed this comment. Ah well.

  • March 28, 2017 at 10:33 am

    I dont understand the logic of the ATAT and ATST Walkers in the Star Wars universe.
    Clearly hover technology is widely available and cheap (since even individuals on poor tatooine have their own speeders) so why created essential tanks with legs.
    The legs dramatically slow their assault.

    • March 28, 2017 at 4:01 pm

      I think the idea has always been that the Empire designed many of its weapons systems specifically to intimidate their enemies. Going all the way back to the beginning, the TIE fighters with their vaguely bat-like shape and the animal-like shriek of their engines were reminiscent of Germany’s JU-87 Stuka dive bombers from WWII, with their own bat-like silhouette and the air sirens mounted onto their undercarriage. The Germans felt that this gave them a psychological edge, in that the sound of a Stuka on a dive-bombing run was unmistakable, as was the sight of one. And of course, the damage they could wreak was well-known and rightly feared, particularly by Allied civilian populations. The idea behind the TIE fighter was similar, at least among those at Lucasfilm who came up with the original concept.

      The walkers were based around this same idea of demoralizing the enemy while simultaneously blasting them to pieces. AT-ATs looked like gigantic animals, they were nearly impossible to destroy without heavy air support, and though they appeared slow and lumbering, Rebel veterans would tell you that their looks were very deceiving and “they were on you before you knew it.”

      Yeah, a repulsorlift craft could probably have reached its target more quickly than walkers, but that wasn’t necessarily the entire idea.

  • March 28, 2017 at 10:45 am

    That thing can carry many banthas. I like it!

    • March 28, 2017 at 1:13 pm

      ill be honest… i don’t really like design… T_T hope it grows on me

      • March 28, 2017 at 1:37 pm

        Yes- the AT-AT was the best design, The new in rogue one was also bad

        • March 28, 2017 at 1:38 pm

          There’s like no difference, lol.

        • March 28, 2017 at 1:55 pm

          the diffrence is the orange stupit cargo doors-why?
          and head is diffrent, and why not AT-AT pilots, instead of scariff troopers

          • March 28, 2017 at 1:56 pm

            the Force Awakes at-at looks like something from the clone wars

          • March 28, 2017 at 1:58 pm

            But then again, now there is a Take That singer in star wars, what can we expect in the future- Ricky Martin as a Sith 🙂

        • March 28, 2017 at 2:33 pm

          I didn’t hate the RO design. They were different things. The AT-ACT was a cargo transport (sucks we never got to see them being loaded like in the concept art)

          But the OG AT-AT is perfection.

          • March 28, 2017 at 4:17 pm

            Yes, the first one we fell in love with is usually the one we like best.

          • March 29, 2017 at 5:35 am

            Not always. I love Luke’s green ROTJ Saber 100X more than the Anakin/Luke/Rey blue saber 😛

          • March 29, 2017 at 2:48 pm

            “usually”, he said, as if anticipating such a comment 😉

          • March 31, 2017 at 4:19 am

            Wait… how did he know the future?! O_O

    • March 28, 2017 at 1:38 pm

      The full report details that the “Gorilla Walkers” are completely different from the ones present on Starkiller Base.

  • March 28, 2017 at 12:20 pm

    They will be in the film, 100 present as the First order ride at the Disney theme parks feature AT-ATs as building constructions pics are being leaked.
    They are very large and this would make sense now to why these are being built for this time period on the main ride.
    They must have a big part in the film to feature in the new First order ride, cant wait.

  • March 28, 2017 at 1:57 pm

    Disney, you have loads of money.


    Please. Thanks.

  • March 28, 2017 at 3:02 pm

    Oh thank Goodness that people are starting to complain about how “Jedi” will be the same as The Empire Strikes Back.

    We’ve had far too many months of warm fuzzies after Rogue One. We need to get back to the nitty gritty of people whining that Disney won’t be bold enough to try something new (Even though Lucasfilm is in charge of the films) and how Star Wars is garbage (Again), and everything in the previous movies will always be superior no matter what (Like Jar Jar Binks).

    Face it. Lucasfilm makes something other than a Walker as a First Order assault vehicle, everyone gets angry that the design looks like crap, doesn’t make sense, and doesn’t feel like Star Wars.

    Lose, lose.

    • March 28, 2017 at 3:05 pm

      Yeah… It’s like poetry, it rhymes.

    • March 28, 2017 at 3:24 pm

      And you know what’s funny? Often times, the “the new designs/characters/name/places are crap” and the “Disney isn’t bold enough to try something newd” crowds are the exact same people. Also, when that’s not the case, it’s extremists (Original Trilogy-OGs vs. Prequelites) not even realizing that they’re both (and I use the word loosely) “thinking” along the same lines.
      The only thing that is truly, deeply, wrong with SW is (the worst part of) its fandom.

    • March 28, 2017 at 6:26 pm

      While I think you are right about people being overly nostalgic while simultaneously criticizing TFA for “playing it safe” that doesn’t mean Lucas Arts should be free of any criticism. If you look at TFA I think that most of they perfectly mixed nostalgia with updated technology and exciting new visuals. The Luggabeast for example was one of my favourit designs. It had written “Star Wars” all over it but we haven’t seen a bio-mechanical creature in SW before. On the other hand the yellow furred abominations in Maz’ Cantina that look like an unholy hybrid between a minion and an Ewok on the other hand…

      • March 29, 2017 at 5:06 am

        For my part, I enjoyed the new alien designs in VII. But Rogue One showed them up substantially.

        I blame most of that on the fact that VII was rushed, and fine, if some angry fanboy out there wants to say Abrams sucks, then I guess Abrams sucks.

        Yes, Lucas Film can be criticized, but I’ll point out it again. If they didn’t use walkers, there would be complaints that they didn’t use walkers. And then whatever they used in the place of walkers would be said not to be Star Wars enough.

        I mean shit, look at the people in this very section complaining about how the AT-ACT from Rogue One, wasn’t cool enough. It’s the same damn thing as an AT-AT with a big hole in it’s side. WTF do you want?

        Let the movie come out, then hate on it. Getting all butt hurt months in advance has proven to be folly over and over again on these forums.

        A majority of fans enjoyed VII, it’s a celebrated revival. So much for Doom and Gloom.

        These VERY forums were ALIVE with screams of FAILURE after news of the Rogue One reshoots came out. And then the biggest nay sayyers here actually said they liked the film! Crazy.

        I have faith in Lucas Film, I’ll let them make a movie, then I’ll criticize it.

        And for the record, I didn’t love Rogue One. Just liked it.

        • March 29, 2017 at 12:38 pm

          Man, I totally agree with your statement – “I didn’t love Rogue One. Just liked it.” In my opinion, it was good, not great. But to address the bigger issue of Star Wars fans never-ending bitching about everything – unfortunately it just kinda comes with the territory (and I’ve been guilty of bitching myself – especially with “The Force Awakens”). What I mean is, this saga has generated so many DIE HARD fans, with so many HUGE expectations, that when something new “Star Wars” comes out, it gets totally ripped apart and over-analyzed. Well, how many other film series can claim this kind of fanaticism? How many other films have had this sort of devotion? In truth, not many. And while a lot of us act like petulant children on these forums – it’s only because we care so much about this silly fantasy set in a galaxy far, far away. There’s a child in all of us that has refused to grow up, and more often than not I think that that angry child is the one commenting on these forums – even if we don’t realize it. But it’s this fanaticism that’s kept Star Wars alive, and made it the most popular franchise in movie history. Of course it’s going to be subject to more scrutiny from the public, but as long as the dollars keep rolling in to Lucasfilm, they’ll be happy to let us nerds beat each other senseless on the internet.

        • March 29, 2017 at 4:02 pm

          I totally agree with you, people should watch a movie before complaining about it. In my opinon you shouldn’t get hyped too easily either but that’s just my opinion. The aliens in TFA and R1 were brought to live by the same team of artists. The difference between the deisgns (as Neal Scalan pointed out in interviews) is that JJ wanted something more comical and more reminiscent of the 70s and Gareth preferred a more realistic approch when designing aliens. I like almost every design in TFA except these fugly yellow furballs. And as a 3D sculptor for games I am probably more picky than when it comes to creature design than most people so I guess tehy did a great job on TFA.

    • March 28, 2017 at 7:26 pm

      Spot on – the negativity reeks!

      I’m in for funky new walkers and a ground assault, though admit I might feel differently if its on a snow and ice world…. 😉

  • March 28, 2017 at 3:27 pm

    Honestly…. looking at the TFA walker, and the ‘sketch’, i am not sure they are the same thing…. perhaps the walkers in TLJ will be different from TFA.

    • March 29, 2017 at 1:36 am

      The report says as much, so I’d certainly hope so.

  • March 28, 2017 at 4:44 pm

    I’ll never complain if there’s an AT-AT or some type of variant in a Star Wars film.

  • March 28, 2017 at 4:51 pm

    We’re gonna need more than just a sticky note guys…start the hype train up and release new character stills or somethin…we’re running dry here.

    • March 28, 2017 at 5:51 pm

      celebration coming

  • March 28, 2017 at 5:17 pm

    One of my biggest gripes about the “New” Star Wars is the lack of old Aliens and technology. Rogue one was pretty good on the old Tech part, that was a plus, but no old aliens, except one or two.

    With the exception of very small select aliens, there are none of the old staples AT ALL. Would it hurt to reuse some of the aliens, other then main or speaking role characters

    Same for the technology…here is Star Destroyer, new design, here is a TIE outside the same great, inside is two man…wtf, here is an xwing…somehow the engine turbine fan splits in half. Walkers, yea lets make new ones that look like a 5 year old made them. Shuttles, nope we can’t use the same shuttles we have to make brand new designs that look stupid as hell, but similar…I could go on…

    • March 28, 2017 at 5:48 pm

      So… you are complaining for the lack of “old Aliens and technology” but, also, that new technology looks too similar to the old while, at the same, you are also judging designs you haven’t seen (for… credibility, I guess?).

      Uhm…sure. We’ll call your post “complaining for the sake of complaining”, thanks.

      • March 28, 2017 at 6:26 pm

        You obviously do not get what I’m saying, that’s probably my fault for not elaborating more…I was hoping people would get it themselves with minimal assistance.

        • March 28, 2017 at 7:23 pm

          TL;DR – your complaint is “not enough old stuff” but, when they DO have old stuff, your complaint shifts to “but the design are slightly different”. This is complaining for the sake of complaining. However, there is a longer version of this answer…

          Please, let ME be of assistance, by using your exact words and phrasing (I’ll just add the emphasis and notes where neede):
          1. One of my biggest gripes […] is the lack of old Aliens and technology.
          (complaining for the “lack of old designs”);
          2. Same for the technology…here is Star Destroyer, new design, here is a TIE *outside the same great, inside is two man*…wtf, here is an xwing…somehow the engine turbine fan splits in half.”
          (this is a masterpiece: your complaint is they have old technology but this is, somehow, wrong BOTH because the design is slightly altered AND similar to the old while having some new/different feature);
          3. “Walkers, yea lets make new ones that look like a 5 year old made them”
          (judging a design you haven’t even seen yet);
          4. “so we should only make all new things every time, other wise why call it star wars, if your just going to use new things…every time.”
          (the grammar here is such a mess but, regardless, this contradicts your own statement, in the other post, that they re-used Destroyers, TIEs, X-Wings and so on);
          5. “It’s called continuity!”
          (Please: take a look at cars, bicycles, motorcycles, airplaine and military craft from the ’60s and ’70s and compare them with the same stuff toda: same concepts, different or slightly-different designs and new features).

          Also, as far as alien goes: huge galaxy with thousands of system, each one with several different planets. We only seen a handful of alien races through out the original movies (I think we don’t get to a hundred even counting TCW and Rebels) and, for reason, we should keep seeing the same alien species over and over again?

    • March 28, 2017 at 5:50 pm

      they have used old ones. And also, you have seen them before. Who cares?

      • March 28, 2017 at 6:25 pm

        creating new movies is not all about “we have seen them before” so we should only make all new things every time, other wise why call it star wars, if your just going to use new things…every time.

        It’s called continuity!

        • March 28, 2017 at 8:40 pm

          But they have used old aliens, just not enough to please you. Should they call and check to make sure it hits your quota?

          • March 28, 2017 at 10:09 pm

            Yes, that would be great! 😉

    • March 28, 2017 at 5:56 pm

      I agree on the alien part. Some familiar faces (and more aliens in general) would be nice. However, technology constantly changes. There are only a few reasons why old technology is not replaced by newer one. a) you are too poor to buy new technology which is the reason why Jawas still use Sandcrawlers b) a design is already perfect for its purpose (to some degree lightsabers) or

      • March 28, 2017 at 6:20 pm

        I’m all for new tech, but it’s only 30 years, things would still be in use, however, it feels to me that they just add new designs of the exact same thing just to add new designs (ie the new deathstar..i mean starkiller base), not because they are needed or “better”. Kylo’s shuttle, Krennic shuttle, these could have just been good old “tydirium” Lambda class shuttles…

        Same for aliens, I’m all for new ones, but there is almost none of the old ones at all, even in rogue one (you see a twi’lek hologram and mon calamari) you only see a couple, the other 20 are new.

        Edit: I forgot about the two aliens from EP4 cantina…the “death sentence in twelve systems” pair. That was nice addition…because they where familiar along with the new

        I would just like to see familiar things along with new things…but not EP 4 redressed up as EP 7 reskinned…

        • March 28, 2017 at 6:46 pm

          Okay who of your friends uses a 30 year old cellphone or computer or microwave. The average car on the streets in the US is 11.6 years old and technology is changing faster and faster. As for Krennic I guess he doesn’t want to drive a Volvo like everyone else. He needs his BMW status symbol. Rewatching R1 I actually found a lot of familiar aliens. There were Twi’lek (Holograph as well as a real one on the Ring of Kafrene as well as Beezer Fortuna in Saw’s hideout), Aqualish (Ponda Baba) and a sh*tload of mon calamari. I think that’s quite enough familiar faces 🙂

          • March 28, 2017 at 7:18 pm


          • March 28, 2017 at 9:08 pm

            Most of the worlds military tech including the US. F15 Introduced in 1976, F16 introduced in 1978 etc. Its certainly not unusual to use old tech

          • March 28, 2017 at 9:35 pm

            Because of functionality reasons they keep them. That doesn’t mean that the majority of weaponry is older than 30 years.

        • March 29, 2017 at 12:04 am

          Some of the ships in TFA like Kylo Ren’s shuttle genuinely looked cool. But I was shocked we barely saw any Star Destroyers or Y-Wings. I hope TLJ can rectify this.

    • March 28, 2017 at 8:00 pm

      So, there’s not enough familiar things from the previous movies while other say there’s way too much familiarity. Shows how you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t when it comes to pleasing fans of these movies…

      • March 28, 2017 at 10:03 pm

        What they did was take EP4 reskin it and change a few details, then replace nearly all the aliens, and some of the tech (tech less so, just less creative versions that look like they where made by 5 year olds, of existing things).

        However, you are right, they are damned if they do and if they don’t, since everyone has their own opinion of what they want.

        They could have done a better job with it (story, tech, and aliens) in general, they played it safe, which again is good and bad.

    • March 29, 2017 at 12:00 am

      The aliens disappoint me, not because of the new species. I’m fine with that. But really, the lack of older aliens. Where were the Tw’leks; Rodians, Ithorians and Trandosians?

      If Abrams was so insistent on using practical effects, why not have at least a few of those species show up at Maz’s cantina? That just goes to show a lack of foresight. Minor yes, but it is really these smaller details I find add up. Take note of Rogue One.

      Notice how the aesthetic of the holoprojectors, computers, hairstyles and aliens mirrored ANH. To be fair, the movie had to. But Abrams , if he truly loved the OT he would have gotten that smaller stuff down pat.

      And before anyone gets on me, try watching this movie back to back with ROTJ or any of the OT; it doesn’t mesh well. To be fair, 30 year difference but really, when RO does a better job matching, a side story film, there is a problem.

      On the bright side, we saw Sullutrians and Mon Calamari in Ackbar.

  • March 28, 2017 at 5:21 pm

    WEll, if the FO create some the same useless machines that a Jedi can just cut down, they deserve fail.

  • March 28, 2017 at 5:55 pm

    No mention of a trailer. Nothing. Nada.

  • March 28, 2017 at 7:05 pm

    Whatever….as long as we get a good story this time.

    • March 28, 2017 at 7:19 pm

      The Force Awakens was awesome. Nothing wrong with the story

      • March 28, 2017 at 7:38 pm

        we’ll disagree on that.

      • March 28, 2017 at 7:38 pm

        Except that it was told in ANH already

        • March 28, 2017 at 7:58 pm

          No it wasn’t. Nothing about A New Hope was about tracking down a missing Jedi Knight on an island in the ocean before his dark side using nephew found him and killed him. A New Hope was about delivering plans to a planet killing Super weapon to a rebel alliance so an attack could be mounted against it before it wiped out the rebellion. Two different stories.

          • March 28, 2017 at 11:10 pm

            “A New Hope was about delivering plans to a planet killing Super weapon to a rebel alliance (RESISTANCE) an attack could be mounted against it before it wiped out the rebellion (RESISTANCE)”

            This is the main issue with TFA IMO. Yes the First Order should of been a threat and I’m sold on the justification on how Starkiller was built, but did they have to go with the Death Star on steroids as the primary super weapon. Did no one at Lucasfilm think of something different?? Yes I enjoyed TFA, but I still cringe at the trench-run-rerun.

          • March 30, 2017 at 9:54 pm

            The Force Awakens is not about destroying the Starkiller base. That’s completely secondary to the plot. A New Hope is primarily about destroying the Death Star.

            Death Stars are the Star Wars equivalent of the nuclear weapon. It’s the ultimate way for an Empire or dictatorship to control people. Once the technology is there’s it’s not going away. Bigger and more powerful versions will be introduced – just as the atom bomb gave way to the hydrogen bomb. The reasons for fighting wars doesn’t change much through time, even though the technology and the tactics change.

          • March 30, 2017 at 10:26 pm

            I agree it wasn’t the primary plot, but it gained to much traction for the last third and the focus was lost from searching for Luke to a Death Star finale. You can’t deny that it didn’t happen.

            I think Starkiller could of been better used in the last film of the trilogy tbh. Look at its immense power, as you say its what Star Wars is about in terms of technological terror. I would of had the smaller First Order use more conventional weapons like Kamikaze/Drone Star Destroyers to hammer the New Republic with surgical strikes, with the threat of Starkiller being introduced in the 2nd film. So the final act of TFA would of been set on one of many First order shipyards in space, on a planet, or a mix of the two.

          • March 31, 2017 at 8:51 pm

            Well the final act became very much about destroying Starkiller and far less about finding Luke.

            I agree about the use of it, but IMO it should of been part of the focus of the 2nd film or even last film of the trilogy. The much smaller First Order could of used drone Star Destroyers primed to explode in a kind of kamikaze attack. With the search for Luke involving stealing data from a shipyard building the things, thus linking the two together.

          • April 4, 2017 at 12:13 pm

            For some reason my response does not show, but will try one more in time in brief.

            I agree that the technology isn’t going to go away, but I question its use in VII when there are other options. Secondly the use of Starkiller distracted away the film from the main plot, that of the search for Luke. It all conveniently fell into place at the end, but if Starkiller hadn’t of become the primary plot at that point then the true plot, that of the search for Luke could of been dealt with greater.

      • March 28, 2017 at 7:41 pm

        Nothing wrong in general – just could of done with some original bits at the end.

  • March 28, 2017 at 8:58 pm

    Can we get some new tech here? I don’t mind them just updating somethings but at a certain point it’s just fan service. Say what you will about the prequels but at least Lucas gave us some new toys.

    • March 28, 2017 at 10:38 pm

      Well they’ve updated the tech though right, the displays and what is used is different. I just did a google search to see how much land, air, and water combat vehicles have changed just since WWII and while they may be more technologically upgraded, they have not necessarily changed all that much in physical appearance. Doesn’t mean what we’ve done in our timeline is the right way about it, but WW II was twice as long of a time gap as seen in between RotJ and TFA. Especially when its the losing team having to pony up the cash to build a new armada in secret I can see the most logical thing would be to work with what you’ve got and improve upon it. If the First Order just had a brand new looking type of everything that would be a little to crazy and unrealistic in my opinion. I also think that Lucas could do whatever he wanted tech wise in the prequels because since they come before hand his hand’s aren’t too tied because all of the stuff created during the war period could disappear before the OT and be just be explained away as shit happens

        • March 28, 2017 at 11:55 pm

          More Sci-Fi fantasy but that doesn’t support any argument either. Everything they do is based off of the hisotry of the story. Even Kylo Ren’s saber while different makes logical sense and we understand it because it’s based off of design in the past. Not just something completely new because new things are cool right? I’m with you on presenting new toys, but its following a cannon and based on the history of the First Order and the galaxy they can’t just make giant leaps of logic just to create new things. I think they’re doing it the best they can. If the First Order’s ships are slihgtly altered TIE Fighters its not fan service because that’s what you saw in older films, its because in the story we’re being the First Order was born from the survivors of the Empire and logically they would use what they had before while they’re on the run and in hiding. If the fact that things looks the same is fan service then its not too hard to say that blasters are fan service, first order trooper uniforms are fan service, planets with any of the sort of biomes we’ve seen in the OT or PT being presented in the ST are fan services, etc. In the end I just think SW still seems to respect certain real world elements and the way societies progress is one of them.

          Either way, progress is the way when it comes to the FILM instead of the CANON and since they’re shooting to impress I’m sure they’ll create new toys a plenty that get the fans respect and adoration while still giving a reasonable backstory as to how they came to exist in some book or something somewhere

          • March 29, 2017 at 1:55 am

            my point is merely is i’m all for logical continuity but they should have some fun with it too. i think they are a little too worried about us freaking out if they change anything.

    • March 28, 2017 at 11:54 pm

      Agreed. One critique I heard about TFA which is valid is the lack of new vehicles. The one thing I can say I liked about the PT was the aesthetic of the vehicles. A lot of people say it doesn’t gell well, but I disagree. The PT’s shininess very much indicated the era they were in: dirty on the inside but not chaotic/squeaky clean. The OT was the opposite; worn, down and oppressive.

      The fact that there was No Y-Wings, A-wings, Tie-bombers of any sort baffled me. For being such a mega-fan, I find it hilarious Abrams left those out. And really, even excusing the older vehicles; you are telling me that within 30 years, nobody has ever developed any new ships?

      TLJ seems like a right step forward. I hope we can see a blend of newer and older vehicles.So yeah, I’m looking forward to TLJ.

      • March 29, 2017 at 1:57 am

        exactly. they don’t have to change everything, but branching out a bit wouldn’t hurt.

      • March 29, 2017 at 8:55 pm

        The new X-Wing was sleek, but got to agree about that two-seater Tie-Fighter. He puts a stinker like that on the screen then in R1 we have the fantastic Tie-Striker with hardly any screen time, what is Lucasfilm creative team even thinking.

        • March 29, 2017 at 9:23 pm

          I have no idea. Honestly, the story group as far as I am concerned are doing a mixed job. Really, why couldn’t they have gotten Timothy Zahn, Stover, and Luceno on the staff. That would have been an amazing group. Really, TFA even in its attempts to mirror ANH really dropped the ball on basic aesthetics. And I say this as someone who really doesn’t concern myself with ships in SWs.

    • March 29, 2017 at 7:40 am

      Especially since we already got them in R1. Talk about the left hand not know what the right is doing.

  • March 28, 2017 at 10:32 pm

    Here comes the WahWah Brigade. The same but new criers for 40 years.

  • March 29, 2017 at 4:08 am

    New walkers are cool but part of me will be disappointed if there is a big action sequence centered around Walkers in this film.

  • March 29, 2017 at 4:32 am

    I hope the Walkers don’t dominate too much screen time. I want LUKE LUKE and MORE LUKE. The excitement (and emotional engagement) that he can soley provide beats any SHINY new toy……

  • March 29, 2017 at 7:37 am

    Nice to see that Abram’s hackneyed influence is alive and well in TLJ. New Walkers is a great idea but not ones that took 5 minutes to update and look as uninspired as any of the TFA vehicle designs. Do it original or don’t do it all..

    • March 30, 2017 at 4:27 am

      “Do walkers, but also don’t do walkers because that’s unoriginal and J.J. Abrams sucks.”

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