New Rumors on The Last Jedi Star Destroyers and Finn’s Outfit
Making Star Wars is reporting some new potentially very interesting spoilers for The Last Jedi. Both don’t really spoil the film for you, but nonetheless if you want to stay completely spoiler free, steer clear now.
Potential Spoilers for The Last Jedi
The first small bit of information revolves around the inclusion of a First Order Super Star Destroyer and its design. The ship will reportedly be unlike the Super Star Destroyers from the original trilogy instead being what Making Star Wars describes as “just a gigantic huge wedge, solid, and dark.”, missing the huge city like structure on top. They go on to speculate that this will be the command ship of the First Order, following the destruction of Starkiller Base in The Force Awakens.
Jumping off their info on the Destroyer, there is some more speculation that Finn may go undercover on the ship at some point during the film. They include a sketch of what undercover Finn may look like, with a full on First Order Officer uniform. There was a rumored cameo by Tom Hardy a while back where Hardy plays Stormtrooper who used to know Finn as FN-2187 and slaps him on his ass and congratulates him for becoming a Resistance infiltrator, which didn’t seem to make a lot of sense. Why would a Stormtrooper do something like that? What’s possible is that Hardy is congratulating him for a promotion while he was in disguise, which would make a lot of sense.
On top of that they add that Snoke is rumored to be in a mobile command center, which could be this new Super Star Destroyer. There is a lot of really great tidbits to chew on here. I feel like the Hardy cameo sounds a little ridiculous. I could believe it if someone recognized him and then just congratulated him, but the slap on the ass seems a bit silly, especially given the mission that he is rumored to be on. Check out the full article here.
Ass slaps aside, it would be interesting if Finn went back to the FO as a spy while claiming he was in fact spying on the resistance. Would give him something to do and give an opportunity to explore his back story.
I think the whole getting yelled “traitor!!!” a whole lot in TFA would nix that idea, but honestly I wonder what the hell Finn is even going to be doing in TLJ. I guess hunting down the remaining FO? The First Order isn’t the Empire and you have to think that a majority of their forces were wiped out on Starkiller base. It’s not like they were controlling the Galaxy, they weren’t even considered a big enough threat to the Republic to be taken action on.
“you have to think that a majority of their forces were wiped out on Starkiller base.”
No, you don’t.
If the First Order had an Empire level of Star Ships don’t you think they would have taken over the galaxy already? They feared the new Republic because of the army and resources that they had. My personal belief is that the next two films are going to be the remains of the republic and remains of the FO battling out for control. Neither side really has the upper hand.
Which is exactly where a third entity could come in and try to take control!
A third entity led by BENICIO DEL TORO!!
Illuminati confirmed.
The First Order probably doesn’t have the numbers, but they clearly have the technology. And they were biding their time until they decided it was right. Which was in TFA.It’s the start of the conflict.
So you don’t think a majority of their forces would be on their planet sized main base?
don’t forget that we saw them getting the hell out of dodge once it was clear the place was going up. “stay at your post lieutenant!” “look around, hux is gone!” they suffered heavy losses to be sure but i doubt it was death star level set back.
No, I don’t. Snoke isn’t there. Why would they put all their eggs in one basket?
Because it’s a super weapon the size of a planet?
The Empire didn’t do that. And going form past history, you wouldn’t want to since superweapons have been blown up twice before.
they don’t have empire level of ships but both lost stars and bloodline teased their rearmament which was substantial. and now that the new republic fleet got pearl harbored the first order should have at least a temporary advantage.
There were a bunch of little books written around the release of TFA that addressed this.
The First Order does not have a fleet which equates to that of the Galactic Empire. It’s much smaller. However, much like Deadly mentioned below, technologically it is both superior to what the Empire had and the New Republic possessed prior to its destruction in Hosnian.
Starkiller base was certainly a sizable setback and it appeared that the First Order did have a large garrison stationed there. But if we look at the end of VII, it appears that the First Order forces had enough forewarning of the base’s impending doom that evacuation was possible.
Difficult to say how many were able to, but far more than those men and women who were serving aboard the original Death Star.
But Deadly is also right in asking where is Snoke? Another stronghold or a command ship, as suggested above by this potential spoiler.
Starkiller was a first strike weapon. It’s point was to destroy the Republic fleet docked in the Hosnian system. This wouldn’t be the end of the war, it would simply cripple the ability for the Republic to respond to an invasion which would have to be conducted by a fleet we have not seen.
Although if you watch carefully in one of the shots of the Resurgent-class Star Destroyer over Star Killer during Episode VII, you can see three triangular craft in in the lower right hand corner of the screen.
No idea if these are Resurgent-class or not. But the Imperial class was 1.6 km long, the Resurgent is almost 3km. It’s a bigger, meaner ship. I feel like it’s a typo from the Visual Dictionary, but they state it has over 1,500 weapon emplacements on it.
That’s actually more than the original Super Star Destroyer had..If that’s accurate, it’s just..stupid. Maybe they added on an extra 0, which would give it 150. Which would be about 50 more emplacements than what the ImpStar Deuce carried.
That’s true. But with all the choas after starkiller blew he might be able to get away with it for a while. Would be funny to see phasma show up halfway through to blow his cover.
That’s true as well. I hope that Finn vs Phasma will be a big thing in the next movie.
Remember, they have one major area that was mentioned in TFA, forced conscription. They could easily have built up a young group of soldiers in a relatively short amount of time.
Agreed. I just hope that the TLJ will define the stakes of this new war. Because, taken all together, this conflict between the Resistance and the First Order is essentially the Gallactic Civil War 2.0. And that is kind of lame.
I mean to be fair; the old EU practically had this fight. But even so, it was the New Republic, fighting off fledgling Empire that struggled to crawl back. That is before the Vong. I digress.
My hope is that Rian Johnson can really find a way to establish what was at stake. I’m hoping that the NR and Resistance do team up. Because, honestly, I expected the NR to team up with the Resistance as soon as Hosian prime was destroyed.
Yet, another missed opportunity for some world building. But even so, I’ll give Rian Johnson the benefit of the doubt as he is a good director.
“I expected the NR to team up with the resistance as soon as hosnian prime was destroyed.”
To be fair they did lose their entire chain of command in the attack. I wouldn’t be surprised to see who’s left come crawling to Leia at the start of viii.
Good point. Still, a part of me really wished that it was the New Republic vs. the First Order. It would have been a lot simpler to explain and easier to justify. Because, really it makes sense: the Rebels won, helped establish the government. First Order want the universe back.
Go for it. But this can work as well. We just need some politics involved to do so.
100% agree on that. The three way power struggle was odd, especially without any context. Hopefully it will be one v one this time.
Snoke is in the Super Destoyer Eclipse of Palpatine:
“The Eclipse was Galactic Emperor Sheev Palpatine’s own Super Star Destroyer.
By the time immediately preceding the Battle of Jakku, it had been reported as destroyed, but had, in fact, disappeared”
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Eclipse_(Super_Star_Destroyer)
That would be cool – otherwise I was going to ask how the hell did they find time to build it and Starkiller with limited resources compared to the Empire. I still hope its mentioned in a novel/comic that Starkiller was a secret plan of the Empire’s and not thrown together by the First Order. Its just to big……
It’s canon that the planet “Starkiller base” was discovered by the Empire and the kyber crystals of the planet were used in the 2 Death Stars:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oUG0Ex9s4M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY8kqoQA8uY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozd5kwz4cjM
Thank you very much!! This explains a lot and makes it far more feasible.
I kinda always hoped to have seen Darksabers installed on Star Destroyers in TFA, making the First Order a faster mobile terror, plus giving TFA a fresh spin on the use of super weapons. Loved the reference in R1!
So, the Eclipse from Dark Empire is now canon? It certainly fits the description, minus the superweapon. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Eclipse-class_dreadnought
Just the name
I don’t think it makes sense for Finn to go undercover in the FO dressed as an officer because he would be too easily recognized. If he did do some spying, it would make sense for him to be dressed as a stormtrooper, since he actually was a stormtrooper and would know how to act, plus would be wearing a mask.
Chances are he would spend most of the time off the helmet, which might not be as bad as that sounds. We would get to see the downtime of the Stormtroopers, bit like that shown in the Clone Wars, but on the big screen.
The slap on the ass might just be an outtake, or blooper.
At least some spoliers/rumours. Lucasfilm so far did an outstanding job in fighting against leaks… Which is very annyoing.
Re: outstanding job in fighting against leaks… annoying
Probably a blessing & a curse. 😉
Finn also was very good at fighting against leaks on Starkiller Base. ‘Cause he worked in sanitation.
Uh?
Yeah… Lets hope ep VIII will be better.
Good, we’re getting some new ships. One of my big issues with TFA was the ships. I’m fine with Tie-Fighters and X-wings. But that was all there was? Where were the Tie-bombers, Y and A-wings? Did the Resistance ever consider using them? Same with the First Order?
Also, it goes to the point some critics have made: if 30 years have passed, you’d think we’d see some new designs for ships, minus Starkiller. Needless to say, I’m glad we’re getting a new ship. Hopefully, this movie can be a mix of old and new.
Some classic old ships coming back, along with some new ones. And a good dogfight would be nice.
Don’t forget that there was Kylo’s shuttle, and the Force Order troop transport and Resistance transport… but, yeah, none of these were combat vehicles.
I think the reason why there were so few combat ships was because they wanted to simplify things after the Prequels, especially ROTS, which became cluttered on-screen with too many ship designs and nothing really stood out.
I agree to an extent. I actually liked the Prequel era ships. Heck, my favorite ship is the Jedi Starfighter, specifically the one Obi-wan flew in ATC.
But I can kind of see that. Still, I cannot blame those who fault TFA for essentially using the same vehicles and not seeing both familiar and new ones.
I actually liked the new X-Wing design from the original concept art of the OT. Sleek and subtle change.
It was the double seated Tie-Fighter that fell flat for me, especially with the under-used Tie-Striker in R1 (which looked fantastic and could of been the advancement of 30years).
“Finn, where ya been, man? Me and the other guys checked out the new T-18!”
Re: “They include a sketch of what undercover Finn may look like,”
That sketch – what’s up with Finn’s nose?! Hope they got that part wrong. 😉
The new Star Destroyer sounds interesting. I really liked the design of the Super Star Destroyer, so hope they can pull off something similarly interesting+menacing.
that nose is hilarious.
the fact that no one is talking about the nose is really disturbing.
Sounds like The Flurry from The Truce At Bakura.
The undercover thing has become a cliché at this point having been used in about half the films by now.
…like 2?
But let us not forget Grant, Rian Johnson has written and directed this film.
As I recall, you believe Johnson to be in the realm of the Second Coming of Christ when it comes to Directing films. You swore up and down in 2015 and early 2016 that Johnson would beat the pants off Abrams and Edwards, both of whom you felt were terrible Directors themselves.
How on Earth could anything Johnson touch be cliche’?
how can he go undercover when they know he’s a traitor? even the Stormtrooper on tacodonna saw him and yelled ”TRAITOR”
Please do something about the Star Destroyers since the ‘new’ ones in TFA sucked ass. Enough with these clunky ships.
How did they (actually IT. One.) “suck ass”?
Star Wars is built on clunky ships. The Prequels were the only films that employed sleek vessels; and they were replaced by Episode III with, again, clunky ships. That was on purpose.
Prior to the Galactic Civil War starships were designed with aesthetics in mind instead of war. When the Clone Wars broke out, mass production became key in the deployment of forces, and so went the artistic flare in the design new craft.
You are of course entitled to your opinion about the new Star Destroyer looking “suck ass”.
I happened to like it. It looked far more intimidating than the original Star Destroyer.