UPDATE! The Title for Star Wars: Episode VIII is Officially Revealed – “The Last Jedi”!!! Mark Hamill Comments.
StarWars.com has just revealed the title for Rian Johnson’s take on the galaxy far, far away. Star Wars: Episode VIII is titled “The Last Jedi”….
From StarWars.com ”
We have the greatest fans in this or any other galaxy. In appreciation of the fans, we wanted them to be the first to know the title of the next chapter in the Skywalker saga: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI.
THE LAST JEDI is written and directed by Rian Johnson and produced by Kathleen Kennedy and Ram Bergman and executive produced by J.J. Abrams, Jason McGatlin, and Tom Karnowski.
STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI is scheduled for release December 15, 2017.
The title is simple and yet very impactful. As Rian Johnson said, he had this title since the first draft of the movie. This is the title that he always wanted and it’s perfect.
In TFA Luke Skywalker was referred as the last Jedi. Still as you know the word Jedi can also be used as a plural. Also notice the red color of the text. Is this a hint at the dark side? Very interesting title indeed. What do you think?
UPDATE!
Mark Hamill briefly discussed the new title with the Associated Press:
Rian Johnson is relieved to lift such a great burden off his shoulders. 🙂
Excited (and relieved) to finally share this! https://t.co/QKzA21tuog
— Rian Johnson (@rianjohnson) January 23, 2017
Del Rey makes an important clarification:
Here’s the book in question:
There are a few others Legends novels titled The Last of the Jedi, but their name is distinct enough.
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AHHHH!!!! So cool!
The red coloring and the title tells me that this movie may be QUITE the bloodiest (At least to Disney standards) in Star Wars story. O_O
Return of the Jedi had red coloring, too.
Yeah, I know, but given the title, it could indicate quite a mood.
It could. Or it could not.
i’m sure there will be some good pew pew, but i doubt they could top rogue one in that category.
This pretty much conforms that Luke Skywalker will die in Episode 8 and be a force ghost in Episode 9…
Or that it means simply what it means; Luke is the last Jedi.
Luke was referred to as the Last Jedi in the Episode VII crawl so it has to be him. Rey will not be a Jedi at the end of Episode VIII so it has to be Luke.
Why not? After a day and a half knowing that the Force exists, she’s already more powerful than we saw Luke become by the end of Jedi, so why not? Gut feeling is the title refers to her.
not sure we know enough about her skill level yet to make that judgment.
Okay, that makes sense.
Or perhaps she will with Luke effectively giving up the Jedi mantle/moniker?*
Or it’s Jedi plural as in Luke and Rey?*
Or I have no idea what I’m talking about?*
(*delete as applicable)
It being plural also makes a lot of sense/possibilities make sense.
Oh yes, you could be on to something. The Last Jedi could mean pleural….
Or a bunch of hidden Jedi appear to fight knights of Ren, or Snoke or more Sith apprentice…
I love it. I’ve already seen that some people say that Luke is going to die after seeing this title. I think that the Last Jedi is Luke, not Rey. I think this confirms that we are getting lot of Luke, not Luke’s death.
Snoke confirmed it in Ep. VII already: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkVDyikw8Tg
I think Luke’s gonna be the guy that sees the Jedi viewpoint for the narrow, myopic thing it is – how can one control / understand what one doesn’t study? (the dark side); the world’s major religions show repression only creates longing. The Jedi treating the dark side as something “WE DON’T TALK ABOUT” is one such facet of this type of dogmatic drudgery
Snoke’s statements indicting the Sith (see Ep. VII novel) show the dark-siders looking to embrace a more holistic doctrine (Kylo Ren’s Skywalker genes give him grounding in both the light + dark…) than just the limited code of the Dark Lords of the Sith, which has clearly not served in a lasting capacity
Luke’s most sensible course (ideally) sees him breaking the Jedi Order & creating something more realistic when it comes to the study of the Force – not simply plugging one’s ears and saying “MAH-MAH-MAH” one some curious apprentice asks what they know about the dark side…
Start endless speculation based on the color of lettering!
Although I do find it interesting of the color change.
Maybe it can indicate it could be a bloodier film than TFA?
Or the darkside lightsaber.
Or they just like the color red.
Maybeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Hmmm, we have seen this before! Love the new title… 🙂
it’s probably just to make it noticeably different from TFA at a glance. They will probably make Ep9 blue. It’s a simple marketing strategy.
I like it. Good job Disney.
Great title! I’m hoping they have some more announcements in the next days!
In the “Skywalker saga” … hm hm… or I’m reading too much into this 🙂
I love it!
I read this in a slow, calm, robotic voice…
The Last Jedi – this says to me the film will be about the actions of the last Jedi aka Luke Skywalker, and the passing on what he has learnt to Rey. Will she follow the Jedi code is another question……
Perfection. Simple and to the point. Telling us so much and so little at the same time. Also the letters are red. Yes I am that obsessed with SW, LET THE SPECULATION BEGINNNNNNNNNNNN
“Next chapter in the Skywalker saga” should answer everyone’s question about Rey…
Not really, no.
i thought it was so obvious in 7. WE, the fans created the whole conspiracy of who her parents could be.
luke, leia and kylo are all skywalkers.
for sure…but I’m quite sure they are referring to Luke’s direct lineage. And after all, isn’t that what we would like to see??? I know that I would. I believe that they are going to mimic the EU story of the twins except it will be Rey having to kill her cousin.
its not about luke specifically but anakin’s decedents which means kylo could still carry on the line.
You could be right, but I don’t think it’ll carry the same excitement as Luke’s kid would.
I know a lot of people are seeing the “Skywalker saga” thing as a proof of Rey being Luke’s daughter, but maybe it just refers to Luke, since he is in the movie.
no…the entire premise of the SW saga films are about the Skywalkers…next chapter certainly refers to the passing of the torch to the next Skywalker.
But what if Luke goes on to survive the whole trilogy ?
I’m hoping he does, he just be more in the background of things with the new Jedi order that Rey will help create.
I also think people are mistakenly assuming that if there is a skywalker child it has to be Rey. Remember Obi-Wan was the focus of episode 1 with the skywalker in the supporting role. I would not discount the possibility that a new skywalker reveals themselves by the end of 9 just in time for Luke to pass on….Or it’s just luke and that’s is lol
So much speculation to be had, from just 3 words. Very exciting!
need more please
i suggested this title last june…. they obviously read my post :p https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet.com/index.php?threads/write-the-opening-crawl-of-viii.8552/#post-231122
haha, good job on the crawl as well!
Very nice prediction!
wauw..That is awesome!
I love this title. Really excited for a trailer. They better not kill Luke though…and we better see him using that green lightsaber
Couldn’t the Last Jedi mean more than one ?
Yep. I think so too. There are plenty of possibilities here.
-rey die
-luke die
-rey and luke die and the last jedi appears, one, two or ten.
-appears a bunch of new jedis
-all die and Ben Solo comes to light
…
😉
Really excited!
The final act has Rey being swayed to the dark side in EpVIII, leaving Luke brokenhearted as the last jedi……..
I can dig that
Plausible given the use of the red SW font instead of typical yellow or white.
edit: just saw the Revenge of the Jedi post below… I guess I’ll shut up from here on and wait for December 😉
Yup, plus it could fit nicely in the whole trilogy ‘flow’
we’ve come to expect. Sets up a nice cliffhanger, bad guys have the upper hand,
possible redemption in Ep IX. Heck I’m no prophet but I would be happy with
something along that line. 🙂
I DIG THIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow audience would be in tears !!!!!
The title obviously refers to Luke, I mean TFA could have been titled “How the next generation found Luke”. It makes sense that the movie is all about him, or at least mostly. We already have the info that the movie will be about Luke and Rey’s relationship. The last Jedi may be him or her, depending on which survives the film.
or both, Jedi is plural also.
Yeah, that’s what I mentioned below.
ah okay! So maybe there is like a Jedi school present on ach to. Would be a great idea.
Wasn’t taking credit, just agreeing with you 🙂
Yoda in Return of the Jedi: “When gone I am, the last of the Jedi will you be.”
So I would’ve liked “The last of the Jedi” as the title more, though it’s nitpicking.
Nonetheless, an awesome and unexpected reveal !!
The Last Jedi sounds better
Last of the Jedi is passive, less dramatic
I actually prefer the latter. No sure why, but I do.
So maybe it’s about more Jedi then one. Last of the Jedi would implie one person. The last Jedi could well be a group of people.
Very true. Good point.
Luke is the last Jedi Knight. The title clearly refers to him. This is a Skywalker Saga.
The Last Jedi is more in league with The Force Awakens (wonder if ep9 also will have a three word title), so I’ll give you that.
However I disagree about it being less dramatic. The Last of the Jedi is similar to Return of the Jedi, also hinting at Yoda’s speech, as I’ve mentioned above. For me, it gives a sense of history.
However, I do like The Last Jedi, in it’s simplicity.
Totally – reminds me of The Last Samurai,
“The Last of the Jedi” doesn’t roll off the tongue like “The Last Jedi.”
The more simplistic title for some reason just feels more emotionally compelling. As the fellow above said “Epic and hurtful at the same time.”
We saw The Force Awaken in Rey, now she will meet The Last Jedi, there are no others.
I guess it really is a matter of how it feels. I stand by The Last of the Jedi, because for me, it gives a sense of history, while also referencing Yoda’s words. Also, it’s more in line with the OT titles. For me this is the more epic title.
However, I am content with The Last Jedi, simply because it’s minimalistic, and because it’s the exact wording in TFA’s opening scroll.
“When gone am I, the last perfect Jedi will you be” is what Yoda said, which makes the title a completely different set of words if you want to nitpick 😀
Love the enormous ambiguity of the title in all aspects. Epic and hurtful at the same time.
Great title!!!
Sadly, even more fan fic style than Force Awakens. I hope the picture itself is more creative. That said, it’ll certainly get tongues wagging more than Ep 7’s title.
I suspect the title is a reference to Luke because Abrams said that
he took on Force Awakens on the basis of the question “who is Luke
Skywalker?”. Then there’s the George Lucas symmetry, which suggests that
Rey won’t be a Jedi until the final film…and the red font is depressingly indicative of “hey, we’re gonna go dark and do an Empire here”.
Conversely, there’s the fact that neither Snoke, nor Kylo Ren are Sith, so maybe Rey will never be a jedi and the Jedi will be dumped? That would be bold to say the least.
All I know is that if they want an Empire twist in this, please let it be non-predictable. This type of title was pretty predictable TBH.
Well, that’s your opinion anyways, everyone is liking it so far.
Pretty much everyone liked Force Awakens and Rogue One. I liked them. But what I lament is the lack of creativity. Lucasfilm keeps playing it safe since them became Disney stooges. I feel, much like Star Trek should respect the ides of Roddenberry, Star Wars should respect Lucas. George has made it very clear that imagination is important to the saga and I feel that his poor execution of the prequels has been used as an excuse to keep placating the fanboys. I feel that’s a bit of shame.
But, like I said in the post you replied to, this is a title. It isn’t necessarily reflective of the film. I actually have higher hopes from Rian than I did from Abrams. I’m just not a nerd sycophant who has to wank off at everything as the best thing ever.
Stooges is a very harsh word man, more like a new co-worker.
Lol so killing off every single character in the film is considered playing it safe? Dude you sound like you have a great mind for observing and analyzing. So use it for being less pessimistic and just post something fun here that we can discuss as a fan base. Try and post your own theory for the upcoming movie
Someone said to me yesterday “Rogue One’s like some middle aged kid playing with their old action figures”, and I thought that was so true. What is it that everyone talks about? The third act. Vader. X Wings. Leia. It’s the, admittedly fantastic, nostalgia porn that many like the movie for. I’ve jet to see anyone whi liked the movie bang on about how great Jyn or Cassian were.
I am critical about things where I think they drop the ball because I want to see the full potential of the SW universe. My biggest concern with the Disney takeover was that SW would become a production line franchise like so many others. I think the “play it safe” approach is indicative of that, and no I don’t think killing off all the characters in Roguie One was pushing the boat out, given that as soon as the picture was announced most of us knew the most, if not all, of those characters would have to perish for continuity reasons.
I don’t care if people think I am a bit of a negative nancy. I do still give plenty of praise. I just refuse to be an obsequious fanboy or, for that matter, a shallow “hater”.
I agree completely that killing off the Main Rebel Characters was essential and good — we had to see the SACRIFICE they made for the Rebellion — and see what it took to capture the plans. Makes it all more meaningful when we see those plans in Ep4. I also agree that that 3rd Act (Vader, X Wings, Leia) is what sent everyone home RAVING — those were also the moments that elicited audible CHEERS during the Film.
Without that 3rd Act, I would have gone home having enjoyed the filmed — but with a slight disappointment and no “pull” whatsoever to see it again and again. The ball was not dropped in Rogue One — in fact Disney picked up the ball, ran with it, and delivered a film that Fans have overall raved for.
It was a good Star Wars film — and thanks to the “nostalgia porn” we all want to see it again and again. I think Disney is ROCKING it. I love that term “nostalgia porn” — because you are right — it feels so damn good.
Yeah, in Rogue 1, it is implied that there are other ways to use the force than Jedi or Sith. They seem to be setting the groundwork for new ways of looking at the force and maybe we’re at an end of Sith versus Jedi. Like everyone has to make their own choices. There’s still good and bad, but not so stark and ridged “orders.” Not sure if I like it, but it’s interesting. Maybe Yoda’s comment “The last of the Jedi Will You Be” was not a statement of fact, but a prophecy.
Yep….although I must admit I’d prefer the continuation of Jedi vs Sith.
the titles are supposed to be a bit cheesy. that was the style of the 30’s serials. also, rian johnson already said that the film won’t be dark for the sake of dark. you are chasing shadows here.
Yes, naturally I am chasing shadows.
Why is it such a heinous crime on here to give an opinion that might be anything other than fawning over Lucasfilm’s latest move? Jesus wept.
not at all, fire away.
Yikes! Kind of a ‘meh’ title. A little too common and short for my taste. It’s going to be so strange saying that title instead of just Episode 8. Font is in red, DARK stuff coming our way.
And The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi aren’t simple serial-like titles? Relax, man and go with it.
It wasn’t my intention to sound mad. It’s now growing on me, but still find it a bit awkard. Nevertheless what’s important is the movie, not the title, and I can assure you this will be an amazing one.
I LOVE this title! It implies so much and carries so much weight. I am 100% more excited for this film now.
THIS is how you name a Star Wars movie.
I dig it.
This makes it sound like Luke is the central character and Rey and Finn are side characters.
Attack of the Clones makes it sound like the clones are the main characters.
Don’t read too much into it.
Uh, no. They were main thrust behind the story.
Luke was the main thrust of the story in TFA. Without even being onscreen, the whole movie was about him.
See how titles are misleading?
But now Disney / LucasFilm are creating Titles that actually….. make sense and are relevant to the Main Characters. With Luke and Rey positioned as the Crux of Ep8, the Title reflects this accurately. No more “Phantom Menace” style titles that you make you just scratch your head. The Force Awakened in Rey, now she meets the Last Jedi.
Unless the title refers as much to Rey as it does to Luke.
rey and luke will likely be the main focus.
This is SUCH A GOOD TITLE.
People will get used to this title. Just like they did with previous ‘awkward’ Star Wars titles.
except this one isn’t awkward
To you.
Mine is the only opinion that matters to me.
The first step to solving a problem is admitting it, after all.
😉
No problems here.
The only really awkward one was The Phantom Menace.
But…that means that the other registered title: Forces of Destiny may have been the name of something else like a game or something else?
most likely
Maybe a game, something to compete with Battlefront 2!
I CALLED IT !!! ON THIS VERY SITE !!
Shocked….I need to go back and find it.
OK FOLKS>>> Proof I called the title 12 Days before it was announced
http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2017/01/more-star-wars-episode-viii-info-from-rian-johnson.html
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12 days, prshhh. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a00ae06ffc8a0f0eca8bb558e6e19a81d4780671521cd1953f65d08150270e2a.png
Ha…I guessed…sounds like you knew
I guessed too.
A lot of people did.
Where..can they prove it ?
Search the title in comments, I guess
I like it, but they did break the naming convention. Title should have been 4 words. The Empire Strikes Back, Attack of the Clones. :/
This could be a new tradition though.
A New Hope, The Phantom Menace, The Force Awakens…
First Part 3 words: The Phantom Menace, A New Hope, The Force Awakens.
Second part 4 words: Attack of the Clone, Return of the Jedi
Third part 5 words: Revenge of the Sith, Return of the Jedi
I only see four in the third parts. :/
Ooops typo, sorry
Yeah- same feeling. Absolutely love the title, but it would have been fun if it was “last of the Jedi” just too keep the convention. Still I suppose of all the Star Wars “traditions” this is the one I’m almost ok letting go of.
Exactly, not the end of the world and knew they weren’t to concerned when they considered Shadow of the Empire for VII but decided against it due to the Legends novel.
Ahhh. I understand your reasoning
A New Hope!!!
I think they broke the naming convention from start, it is not just about the word numbers:
1st: A New Hope=The Phantom menace. No verve, just refering to “a thing”
2nd: The empire strikes back=Attack of the clones. Have a verve and both are implying some big action (strikes/attack).
3rd: Return of the Jedi = Revenge of the sith. Both have verve, and mirror the jedi with sith, and implies a conclusion of something.
Naming in the new movies have their own rules, they are messing with the order, i dont know if they are even aware of this non written rule.
With this said The force Awakens should be the second movie title, and The last (of) the Jedi, should be better for the third movie.
I like the title a lot, but bothers me a little they didn’t follow that “naming armony” not a big deal really hope the movie will be really good.
“Verve”? You mean verb?
yes thanks, that autocorrector ; )
In fact I believe the title analogies are a bit more elaborate.
“A New Hope” and “The Phantom Menace” are both a bit abstract. The refer to “something” but it is ambiguous to what exactly. “The Force Awakens” can fit into this schema; something awoke, but it is not (yet?) clear what and how.
“The Empire Strikes Back” and “Attack of the Clones” both refer to aggressive action (strike, attack) and that is lacking from the new title. However, both also refer to an entity which is not what it seems. The Empire seems bad, but one major proponent (Vader) still has good left in him, but we see that only clearly in the next film. The Clones seem good, but they will actually betray the Jedi, but we see that only clearly in the next film. “The Last Jedi” may also refer to something good that turns evil…. we’ll have to wait for the next films to see how this pans out.
The analogies between “Return of the Jedi” and “Revenge of the Sith” are obvious. And we’ll have to wait two more years to see whether there is any link with Episode 9’s title…
You may be right, you have a solid point there. Im just pointing the word/sound configuration and the simple meaning in combination. maybe “The awekened force” would fit more with ANH and TPM, but looks and sound weird. I just have the feeling that now they are not follwing this “eccoing” thing in he tittles, I think this is a very personal thing of George Lucas that they don’t necesary need to folow.
Well, there a strong possibility you may be right. Would be tough to keep up for Eps 10, 11, 12, … anyway 😉
You guys gotta let some of this stuff go.
I care nothing about the # of words in the Title. I want a good title over # compatibility.
i’m assuming this in reference to luke which makes me happy.
Jedi could be plural, meaning Rey too.
by the end of the movie maybe, but she won’t be one at the start. luke at the moment is once again the last of the order.
YES !!!!
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I made a poster the other day. The new title came in handy. Whoever wishes the full resolution, just message me.
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The title is solid. It is completely to the point and hints into a very emotional and crucial plot that will define all SW films in the future. Lot’s of hugely important stuff are going to happen in this movie, that’s what I take from the title. And what I say is supported by Hammill himself who has said outright that “there are lines in the movie that make the ‘May the Force be with you’ look like childplay. Totally excited, this movie again I say feels like a climax of all things Star Wars that we have come to know and love over these past 40 years.
Awesome title.
Like the font colour choice too.
Could reference both Rey and Luke.. and maybe another…. Jedi could be a plural.
The Portuguese title in Brazil clarifies: “O Último Jedi”, singular, masculin.
Interesting…. I just HOPE…. we see his green lightsaber. Also…. i kind of hope something happens to Anakin’s saber….. would like to see Rey construct her own. Wonder what her color would be. But, since the lightsaber ‘called to her’ i bet it will be hers now.
Rey isnt a Jedi (yet) in the same way that Kanan isn’t a jedi because he didn’t complete his training, Ezra isn a jedi because he isn’t being trained by one. Luke wasn’t a jedi until he defeated vader.
*BEEP* Wrong…Kanan is a Jedi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgjRhgXaN2Q
YESSS!!! I love it. Luke is the last Jedi. I like the red logo too
Classic title. I love it!
The Portuguese title in Brazil clarifies: “O Último Jedi”, singular, masculin.
link?
https://omelete.uol.com.br/filmes/noticia/star-wars-the-last-jedi-e-o-titulo-do-episodio-viii-da-saga/
It is in Portuguese, of course. You can Google-translate it. It says that Disney had confirmed the Portuguese title “O Último Jedi”, but then edited its post to “The Last Jedi”. The Portuguese title is singular masculine.
Then again, Star wars is American, sadly, seems to care about non-American countries a lot less. they could have mis-translated the title ,or done it to preserve spoilers. I don’t know, but we should probably wait and see.
I like it for the simplicity. And hopefully it implies that there will be more Jedi, or new Jedi by ep. IX.
Want trailer so bad
You may have to wait till April 13th…..
Maybe, maybe not. Now that they have released the title, it may come sooner than you think.
Best case scenario, We get a teaser next month, and a trailer at Celebration. Regardless, we will get something big at Celebration, and i hope we also get a behind the scenes video too. The panel is gonna be hella different…. with no Ford and Fisher. Especially different because of Fisher. I expect a special tribute.
Better than The Force Awakens as a title.
cool name.
But luke is not the last jedi no, no, no, NO
there is another……………. LOBOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you read the opening crawl for The Force Awakens, this title makes sense.
So I may assume Luke will die on this, and Rey will now be this “Last Jedi”. TRASH!
Or..hey..here’s an idea..MAYBE it might refer to Luke as the current
last Jedi. Mark is supposed to be playing in all three
movies…so…relax and wait a while maybe?
No. I bet I´m right.
I bet you’re wrong.
What do you want to bet?
I’ll bet you two tickets.
Oh no, thanks, I won´t watch those horrible Disney Star Wars movies. The saga “died” for me when Lucas sold it to Disney.
No, she won’t be a jedi, the same as Kylo is no sith. It’s the end of the old ways.
Luke isn’t dying. He’s signed on Ep 9 already.
Ae a ghost, maybe…..?
He will appear just as a Force Ghost, just like Obi-Wan in Ep. 6.
But episode 6 were Return of the Jedi. You know the Jedi returned and all that shit.
Now there is only one, the last one. So the dark side will be Victorius in the end.
Not quite…
The Jedi returning was Anakin.
The title had a triple meaning: Luke returns, Anakin returns, the Jedi return. But I don’t think billyboy is able to understand nuances or anything like that.
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I made a poster the other day. The new title came in handy. Whoever wishes the full resolution, just message me.
star wars – the one where luke dies.
ST is turning into some bad fanfiction. I bed Snoke turns out to be some one stupid like Ezra or Maul……
Even Rogue One?
snoke is snoke, a brand new character.
How does a title equal fanfiction?
I don’t think this will be the case but I am on the edge of my seat waiting to see what becomes of Ezra and Kanan.
Return of the Soon to be Gone Again Jedi. I hope they touch on how Rey was able to own Kylo so easily without training in the Force. Kylo and his pals manage to wipe out the New Jedi Order only to get bested by a noob? “The Last Jedi” is a nice title but it’s about time the Jedi got their legs again. I thought not showing the rebirth of the Jedi Order in The Force Awakens was a huge mistake. Perhaps the Force is concentrated in Rey since there are no other Jedi besides Luke? What will happen at the end of Episode IX if Rey is the only Jedi left, will they call it The Jedi Return Yet Again? I’m ready for the Jedi to kick some ass for once against a real enemy that’s not a forking planet thingy. The First order was not impressive, we need something REALLY scary and we need MORE THAN ONE EFFING Jedi to fight it!
Kylo did take a bolt from Chewies bolt caster; the same rifle that blew troopers off their feet. Just saying
I’m pretty sure this is a fake title. And I believe that is an Andi Gutierrez look-a-like. Their youtube channel was obviously hacked. I will wait for the actual official word. Besides, I have it on good authority that the title will be THE LAST BANTHA.
Wrong, it’s clearly going to be “Revenge of the Padawans.”
Oh come on!
The New Jedi Order existed….. only off screen… lame. Maybe Luke is hiding some of them and “The Last Jedi” is plural. Would it not be the shit if when Kylo and the Knights of Ren track Luke and Rey down at their hideout another half dozen Jedi join the fight and we find out that the New Jedi Order was not entirely destroyed?
Well. There’s no reason why another Jedi order can’t arise.
That’s exactly what I would like to see. Those Jedi just can’t win for loosing. When I was a kid I thought that only a Jedi could kill a Jedi. We know this isn’t true now but damn they suck wind for like half a century after ROTS.
Yeah, the Jedi certainly have had a rough go of it from what we’ve seen. One of the things I found most disappointing with the Prequels was how seemingly easily the Jedi were killed. The Geonosis battle was awful with all those Jedi just rushing into the mass of battle droids and getting picked off here and there. What was that?
That would be great.
Overall the more I say it to myself, the more I dig the title. Episode VI may have been the return of the Jedi from its extinction, but as Yoda said, Luke would become the last of the Jedi.
The new trilogy really seems to be pushing the idea of abandoning the old traditions of the “Jedi” and “Sith”, wanting to replace it with a new order to wield the force. It will be interesting to see if this idea is pushed further down the road.
Has everyone in the comments already seen the movie or something?
It’s not bad but EP IX The Revenge of the Force was better.
Full disclaimer I used a time machine of my own design as I couldn’t wait a whole ‘nuther year.
Also.. I cannot guarantee the versions of the films I saw on my time travel expedition will be the same films that will come out because as a wise muppet once said ‘Always in motion, the future’ 🙂
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I made a poster the other day. The new title came in handy. Whoever wishes the full resolution, just message me.
Yoda: “When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be.” Maybe that was a prophecy that Luke was to be the last Jedi ever and that Sith and Jedi are done. And then Luke tried to train new Jedi and it blew up in his face. Then he realized that he’s not supposed to train new Jedi and the only survivor of his Jedi Academy was Rey and to keep her from trying to become a Jedi, he erased her memories. He knew that by training new Jedi he was putting the force out of balance again.
The Last Jedi – unless Dave Filloni has another animated series that introduces bunch more that nobody ever knew about.
Followed by Episode IX: The Jedi Return Yet Again, at Least for a Little While
And a prequel “Revenge of the Knights of Ren.”
Hahah! Followed by the prequel/sequel “The Padawans Strike Back.” The Knights of Ren THOUGHT they got them all but boooy were they wrong.
They aren’t official Jedi though. Kanan never became a Jedi Knight and you can tell by his teachings that he isn’t one. Just because they wield a lightsaber and follow the path of the lightside doesn’t make them Jedi. Jedi and Sith have teachings and are basically a religion. Without a Jedi Order neither Kanan or Ezra will be one.
You’re right, but I still think Ezra and Kanan need to go before the events of ANH. And by go, I mean die. Sure, neither is technically a Jedi because they don’t formally belong to the order, but they’re both very talented in using the Force. When Yoda tells Luke that he’s the last Jedi, that really should mean something that falls into a wider definition. Not, “You’re the last Jedi although there are a few other really talented Force users with lightsabers out there.” That really dilutes how critical Luke’s journey is. Luke has a lot of weight on him. He really is the LAST one, fully Jedi or no. The same goes with Ahsoka.
No. Kanan has all his bonafides in order. Can’t make this s**t up, yo…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgjRhgXaN2Q
Well, that doesn’t make much difference. He still needs to go.
Ahsoka isn’t a Jedi.
Never said she was. Read the post.
Kanan was knighted in season two.
You should relax.
I like it. Simple and to the point.
It just dawned on me, what if, Luke is not Rey’s father (he isn’t) and actually becomes not only his teacher, but his partner? (Padme was older than Anakin) Like in a couple? And re-found the Jedi order, after him being The Last Jedi… flame on…
Um.. partners? Like a couple…Uhh *Slowly backs away*
No. Just. No…
I’ve just done a little sick in my mouth!
WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.
No.
LoL, well, we all know Kathy Kennedy is very progressive….
THE LAST JEDI = LUKE SKYWALKER! I’m excited already !
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Excellent Title. Yeah, it is poaching from an old Legends book, but it is simple elegant and really speaks a lot. I get a very last Samurai/ lone wanderer feel to it. Which is nice. I’ll be honest; I don’t like how the New Jedi order was wiped away.
But who knows? Jedi is Plural. It could include Luke, Rey or anyone else. I also love the red font. Nice, change and echoes back to Revenge of the Jedi’s font. I’m hoping we see this color for the opening crawl.
Straight from the Snoke’s mouth in Ep. VII: LUKE is the LAST JEDI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkVDyikw8Tg
It won’t be the colour of the crawl. It is inconsistent.
I think you are right about the word Jedi though, it is also plural.
It is also of note that the new canon has been consistently expanding the force beyond Jedi and Sith. Asokha, Maz, Snoke are all sensitive to the Force or force users without belonging to either order. I would say that Rey is next in this path.
Lame.
I actually thought the prequel titles were great. The films, not so much. But great Star Wars titles.
The phantom menace
Attack of the clones
Revenge of the sith
Exciting words, properly Flash Gordon-y.
A new hope has always been lame
The empire strikes back? Exciting title.
Return of the Jedi? Fine, if perfunctory.
The force awakens. Yawn. Stretch. Ok I’m up! Boring title. At least they used a new word.
The last Jedi. Meh. Ok. Yawn. Boring title. And they just had a “Jedi” movie!
They feel like Fan-fic/EU novel titles.
Where’s the Saturday matinee serial melodramatic excitement???
PLANET OF PERIL!!!
THE PIRATES OF KESSELL!!
THE SITH DESTRUCTION!!
I dunno. Something like that.
I hope the film is more exciting, original and fun than this completely el-vanilla title.
The Phantom Menace is the worst title in Star Wars history. Still scratching my head on that one.
No it’s not. It’s a great title. It’s exactly right. If the movie has been great you’d feel differently. “A new hope” is the worst title.
Attack of the Clones is CLOSE second for worst title.
AOTC is easily the worst SW title.
agreed followed by phantom menace, i always thought return of the jedi was the best title of them all
I hate the title “Attack of the Clones” — as the story is told from the perspective of the HEROES — the title makes it sound like the heroes are being “Attacked by the Clones.”
Then you watch the Film —– and instead the Clones were picked up by Yoda and some sith paid for them 10 years ago — or F*CK IT it will never make sense LOL
agreed. doesn’t really fit the film either. i love all the others though. Phantom menace was a grat title, fit the film perfectly. The secret unknown menace of the sith… great.
TFA took me a little while to warm up to, but i love it. And it definitely ecapsulates the film I am sure The Last Jedi will fit this film perfectly too.
Wonder if we will see a dark end to the trilogy…. “The Return of the Sith” lol
Nope. It’s great too. Again, if the movie had been great you’d feel differently. That’s why you’re not mentioning “a new hope”. It’s a great film. One of the greatest. That’s why you’re not noticing it’s terribly dull title.
A New Hope is an excellent title and encapsulates the storyline and narrative of the Ep 4. Luke Skywalker = A New Hope and that is the beginning of his story.
I’m not not saying it’s doesn’t make sense. I’m saying it’s boring, dull, unexciting. And if it was a terrible film you’d probably agree.
I’ll leave it at that.
The Phantom Menace captures the storyline of that movie perfectly to….lol
AoTC is kind of neat in how different a title it is. Revenge of the Sith is more of a throwback to the OT (especially the original title of RoTJ), and feels weaker. But it’s perfunctory as well.
ANH is indeed incredibly lame as a title. It wasn’t even the title until 1980 or 1981. In the early 90s, people I knew usually just called it “Star Wars” unless further clarification was needed. I like both ST trilogy titles much better than ANH.
You aree so right about the titles and especially about A new hope that I never use it and always refer to it as Star Wars.
You really can’t say with any certainty that he would have felt differently. I loved Force Awakens, but I think it’s the weakest of the titles. I didn’t like Attack of the Clones or The Phantom Menace, but the titles are sort of neat. It happens.
True. But it seems that people seem to (in general, not me or you apparently) think that the Star Wars movies that they like have good titles and the Star Wars movies they don’t like have bad titles.
I don’t Iike the prequels, but I thought the titles were right on.
A new hope has Always felt weird to me. But the film is perfect. The force awakens gets better for me with each viewing but i still think the title is weak. I would bet the last Jedi will be a good movie, but I think the title is unexciting. Even if it (like TFA) fits the story.
I actually liked the title ” The Phantom Menace” it seemed right in line with George Lucas’ imagination and love for 50’s serial tv show’s and comics, Attack of the Clones is the same thing… that is pretty much what Darth Sidious was…a Phantom menace.. even though the movie sucks ass..i still liked the title. It actually fits with the story as much as A New Hope does…in my opinion anyways…I hate the PT movies, but I loved the title’s…but then again I am a big fan of those old style movies too..In 1980 people thought the title The Empire Strikes Back was as dumb as people think Attack of the clones was..so….
I think if the prequels were great films, everyone would love the titles. I don’t think the films are good, But I think George Lucas came up with good titles. And character names as well. The rogue one names all felt like fan fic names. Only Lucas it seems can do them right.
That makes little sense to me. A name is a name. He named Saw Gerrera by the way.
I would have to give that award to “The Force Awakens.”
Liked the title, but i like you are pointing the origin fo the titles nature, its not just about making a smart tittle, but making one with this feeling, like flash gordon, like “Conquers of the universe” or “invasion of the saucer men”, “King Of The Rocketmen” etc. that’s the idea behind the SW titles.
Really? I was unsure with TFA but when you think about the titles they all fit with the films.
TPM – its all about Palpatine and/or Anakin, depending on your view.
AotC – beginning of Clone Wars. Making the clones the good guys was a master stroke by GL IMO.
RotS – again we all knew Palpatine was going to take control.
ANH – Luke
TESB – says it all really
RotJ – again says it all
TFA – rebooted Star Wars
TLJ – its primary focus will be on Luke.
I’m not arguing whether or not the titles fit the story. I’m just saying that ANH, TFA & TLJ are unexciting and don’t really fit with the dramatic, exciting “Flash Gordon Saturday matinee serial” titles that Star Wars films should have. IMO.
How can you think that though with the 1st film being called ANH? Its Star Wars, not Flash Gordon.
Wrong. It IS Flash Gordon. It’s precisely where Lucas gets his titles (and concepts..mixed with samurai stuff) . Movie serials that is.Every Lucas Star Wars title can be found in the old serials.
Phantom, menace, attack, revenge, strikes, return..
I haven’t seen something like “a new hope”. But there’s probably something like it.
See here for yourself (for starters…there’s hundreds more)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_film_serials_by_studio
I’m pretty sure it Star Wars and not Flash Gordon 🙂
I totally agree that Lucas took ideas from various sources, but its his spin of old ideas in a new concept that is Star Wars. The new titles still fit with the format used in the PT and OT films.
Lucas made Star Wars because he could not get the rights to Flash Gordon. He effectively remade Flash Gordon and added samurai elements. And the new titles Lack the pulp serial feel that the other have.
From your point of view. They seem to fit with the other Star Wars titles IMO.
Again – Star Wars isn’t Flash Gordon. Yes its borrowed elements from various sources, but its Star Wars, your putting personal expectations on film titles that have 7 previous titles of the same format.
No. Star Wars was George lucas’ updating of the buck togers and the old republic serials…the opening titles, episode numbers and crawls are directly cribbed from them. All the Star Wars titles, except the new Disney ones, capture that matinee serial tone.
Except that originally the first film was called the Star Wars. I think we will have to disagree on what is perceived as a good title, so far VII & VIII capture the tone for me. TFA is a reboot title that serves it purpose and now The Last Jedi captures the tone of the tale of Luke Skywalker.
http://www.moongadget.com/origins/flash.html
Yeah its inspired and uses elements…….but its still its own creation…..and can choose its own path.
The prequel titles sound like a sexually transmitted disease.
Patient: It burns when I pee, and I’m frothing at the mouth
Doc: Sounds like you’ve got an attack of the clones
who’s the phantom menace?
Palpatine or maul I think.
Boyfriend: But I don’t have any symptoms
Girlfriend: My vagina looks a Chicago deep pan.
Another relationship ruined by the Phantom Menance
Oh please. Revenge of the Sith.
Attack of the Clones is easely the worst one imo. So clumsy…
Had to repeat it to myself a few times before it sunk in.. and I LOVE it.
I love it! I think it has an air of desperation to it. This person(s) is (are) the last Jedi. If something terrible happens and he (they) die, the Jedi Order is no more!
The Last Jedi = Luke Skywalker. He is the last one. Rey is force-acclimated and gifted, but she is not a Jedi yet.
Serious question. Did they start using the term “skywalker saga” during the marketing of sequel trilogy or before it?
Star Wars has been referred to as the Skywalker Saga before the recent Trilogy. This was also mentioned by JJ / Kathleen during the marketing of the Sequel Trilogy.
before.. George Lucas was calling it the Skywalker sage for many years
https://youtu.be/pCALrlP8cf8
Well, Lucas began referring to the entire saga as “The tragedy of Darth Vader” along about the time AOTC and ROTS were released.
Way back at the beginning, Alan Dean Foster’s novelization for the first film, and his Splinter of the Mind’s Eye novel, were both noted on the cover as being “From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker”.
I can’t remember when the series began to be referred to as “The Skywalker Saga”, though. It may be a Disney-era thing, but I think I recall it being used maybe earlier than that.
Why is everyone confused who the title is about? LOL Rey is not even a Jedi yet . besides the fact that Snoke called him the Last Jedi in TFA, Rian Johnson already said this movie is going to be very much about Luke Skywalker. I love this title!
Interesting that the title is written in red this time, instead of the longstanding tradition of yellow. So we have:
The Force Awakens:
and:
The Last Jedi
They fit each other well and make me curious of the final title for IX.
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I got chills
are they multiplying?
I think I’m losing control.
Its electri……… (well, you know Lol)
Yep, and I’m losing control!
I am still looking forward to this movie even more so than FA (not a jj fan), but can’t help feeling like this whole trilogy is tainted with sadness. The OT encapsulated hope. When characters we cared about died they became one with the force and didn’t really die. The OT had a happy ending, all the main characters survived in one form or another. Hans death was not as optimistic, nor did he return to be an angel on the shoulder. With Carrie Fisher and Kenny Baker passing that hopeful feeling will never return for me. Maybe some younger viewers will see it differently, maybe they can connect with the same magic that i can no longer connect with.
First time since the 80. that I love a new Star Wars title!
Don’t worry. You’ll find something to complain about.
Really like it.
If that title refers to Luke, does that then mean Rey never will become a Jedi?
no it just means that the movie is going to be about him…as Rian Johnson already stated
No the title doesn’t refer to Rey, or no, Rey will become a Jedi?
neither…it just means this Movie is about Luke Skywalker the last jedi
Got you. So he’s the last Jedi, but not the last Jedi.
nah it’s Jedi in plural, because the story is about Luke and Rey The last Jedi…
Could be interesting if Rey becomes something new. Like how snoke and kylo aren’t sith.
I like the sound of that.
The Knights of Rey
Well it’s about damn time. Love it..BRING ON THE TRAILER!!!!!
Less than 12 months to go!!
Less than 11 months, but whose counting down?
The Last Last Jedi.
The last Jedi… for now. 😉
WHAT IF, The Last Jedi is Ben Solo? he is the sole survivor of the batch that were formally trained by Luke, and we could sort of assume that Skywalker has given up the ways of the Jedi (Ashoka style) after the disaster with Kylo Ren. Lucasfilm has been very much about Knights of Ren and Snoke not being Sith which would make Ben, technically, a Jedi.
Well, it would technically make Ben neither Sith nor Jedi. He would just be a dark side Force user who follows neither path.
But sure, “The Last Jedi” could conceivably end up referring to Ben, rather than to Luke or Rey. I’m interested as hell to see what Rian comes up with.
The crawl of TFA states Luke Skywalker is the Last Jedi.
Obi-Wan was the last Jedi in a New Hope.
At this point in time, the title is still too ambiguous.
It could be plural, much like The Last Samurai.
Title translation from latin countries confirm it’s about one singular Jedi. I’m agree with Kent. For consistency, the last of the Jedi is Luke Skywalker, as the opening crawl of VII stated.
singular or plural, it sounds like Luke will be involved in something epic.
latin countries title is so spoilerish. In english is perfect. Even in catalan 😉 “L’últim Jedi”. “El último Jedi” in spanish. Now the interesting part is speculate who will be if it’s not Luke, or if he is the last Jedi, it will be for good or for bad events. Still some possiblities.
…er, the Jedi and Sith aren’t the sole Force-users. They’re religions that worship the same idea. Kinda like Catholicism and Christianity.
Um…Catholicism is a sect of Christianity.
But I get what you’re saying.
Apologies, it’s clear I don’t actually know my religious history. xD
Who does?
Star Wars: The Next to the Last Jedi
As far as the red letters go…
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I think Jedi is used in Plural here! So they’re speaking about more than one jedi…
the jedi of the sith
oh wait
Now I know why when that report came out that the director had a title in his head since he started working on it, why he was so confident about it. I think it’s awesome.
it’s brilliant!
All I have to say is they better not move away from the Light/Dark side jedi/sith and move star wars into this grey non jedi jedi thing they seem to be pushing with rebels and star wars games.
I still don’t understand the popularity of the grey jedi label, or dark jedi?
I mean, you’re not a jedi if you don’t follow their code. Fallen jedi might be a better label because they were once a jedi and now they aren’t.
I mean how come nobody says light Sith, or grey Sith?
Is it just supposed to be like the DnD alignment chart?
So grey jedi are just jedi who are neutral in their behavior?
When people say grey jedi, it’s always bugged me, because in the lore any ex jedi would not call themselves a grey jedi. Like Ahsoka, would never call herself a grey jedi, she just used to be a jedi now she’s a force-user or force-wielder with a lightsaber who doesn’t follow the jedi code.
The Jedi Order is a relic of the past. Bringing balance to the Force does not mean just destroying the Sith. The Force is composed of both light and dark. The Mortis episodes are the key to understanding this dynamic.
Is what I’m thinking, too. It’s too obvious to just present Luke as “The Last Jedi but don’t worry, he’ll train more and everything will be awesome.” TFA Luke looks like a man who has lost his faith in the Jedi as an order.
Rise of the New Jedi – to paraphrase Snoke.
good, now we wait for dribbles of images and for A TRAILER !, teaser, something
Putting it out there now, my theory is that Luke has gone crazy looking for the temple and Rey has to figure out how to un-crack his mind.
OMG he doesn’t have any lines other than ‘wibble’
Maybe he’s “The Last Jedi Knight who says Ni!”
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I don’t know why, but my comment with the image disappeared.
This is a poster that I did a couple of days ago. The title came in handy today. Whoever would like the full resolution, I will send them gladly.
Amazing poster man! Would love to have it, if you send it to lroucoferriz@gmail.com, that’d be great..
Thank you. I will send it right away. 🙂
The second mail is the correct version. I sent you an uncalibrated version by mistake. 🙂
brewer13@gmail.com
Sent. Thank you. (:
AWESOME! THANKS!
Oh, his saber is quite different in the next film.
Is it blue or green? 🙂
STOP PLAYING WITH MY EMOTIONS, GODDAMMIT!
I need to calm down….
I made the best I could with what I had.
The sith hits the fan
THIS
TFA was lame. Rogue One about put me to sleep until the final 25 minutes. Now we get “The Last Jedi.” Except that was pretty much the theme from the original trilogy.
They should just call this movie “Snoke Strikes Back” and be done with it.
Oh well, I’ll always have my original trilogy that no one else can spoil.
Between George’s Jar Jar Binks fart bullshit and J.J.’s “Star Trek With a Death Star” remake, I have ‘No Hope” for this movie.
Thanks for the positive thoughts! Bet you are fun at a party!
Lol! Good reply.
Why do you come here and comment then? Spare yourself the time in the future, please.
Because it’s a disscusion page and as someone who was 7 when “A New Hope” came out (and is the second favorite movie of my life) I have as much invested in Star Wars as anyone on this site.
Oh yay, it’s one of those guys.
Lol…you’re the kind of fan who will complain about a SW film and still go see it 5 times. TFA was great. What I have found is that casual fans like SW more than many ‘diehard’ fans. They don’t bitch and nitpick every little detail. I am fortunate. I can enjoy all the SW films.
radical concept: some people like and dislike different things.
Yes, true, but there’s a certain fraction of SW fans who seem to only complain. You pick the episode and they have something to complain about. I don’t like everything about the episodes, but the positives outweigh the negatives. As I stated, I can enjoy all of them.
Complaining about ep VIII in advance is not disliking. Just useless waste of data…
Casual fans have no standards. They are just marketing victims. TFA was the worst piece of shit to ever bare the Star Wars logo. Except the Holiday Special.
The worst piece of shit to ever bare the Star Wars logo is the PT. Even if TFA would’ve been about Han and Chevie fixing the Falcon for two hours, it still would’ve been better than the cinematic abortions called the Star Wars prequels…
It’s certainly better made than the prequels, but if you distill the prequels down to their plot, the story isn’t bad.
Plus the villains are a joy to watch. Palpatine is having the time of his life being evil and manipulative and Christopher Lee gave his character some gravitas. A story needs good villains. The villains in TFA were caricatures. Add to that the fact that the plot is a shitty retelling of ANH and the fact that music was bad, too. Hate to say it, but the prequels are better films.
Lol….incorrect. You must have seen a different movie than I did. As for the casual fans, they seem more well-rounded and have more common sense than many in the die-hard crew.
Nope. Take a step back, look at it from a critical standpoint and stop being a corporate fanboy.
As for the casual moviegoers: They are just morons looking for explosions and one liners. They are the reason Hollywood produces 10 comic book movies a year whereas the new Scorcese masterpiece has like 200k trainer views.
Corporate fanboy? My gosh, where did u get that from? You assume too much and like calling people morons who disagree with you. I do look at every film I see critically. I come to a different conclusion than you do. Plus your opinion is a distinct minority view. Perhaps that’s why the anger is evident in your posts.
I’m not angry. I’m German and our language is more direct and harsh than English.
I don’t care about minority or majority views. The majority of people also used to believe the world is flat. Majorities are inherently dumb, because they agree on common denominators.
In all art forms there are objective standards. While you may not enjoy a particular song, there are criteria like mixdown, equalizing, etc that are not subject to debate or taste.
The same applies to story structure, pacing, originality, photography, framing, etc which are not matters of taste. I am quite capable of differentiating taste and craftsmanship, it’s been my job to do just that for a major label for 20 years now.
You can of course come to any conclusion you like. You can conclude that 1+ 1 = 3. I won’t stop you from being wrong.
But the simple fact that you would value the opinion of a casual audience over that of a dedicated audience should give you pause. When your most dedicated customers are unhappy, you have a problem.
Disney’s treatment of Star Wars is like turning a Michelin star restaurant into a fast food joint that serves frozen crap. Eventually word will get around that the food just isn’t as good anymore.
And that’s a damn shame because Star Wars started as the best fictional universe since ancient greek mythology 😉
Your arguments keep getting more incoherent and, frankly, ridiculous. The problem is that you think your opinion is fact. No, it’s just your opinion. It’s no better than my opinion or anyone else’s. 1+1 does equal 2. That’s a fact. Opinions on movies or books are subjective. They are not ‘fact’. It seems you think too highly of yourself to be humble enough allow other people to have opposing views without insulting them. You take this issue too seriously. Just chill out.
Spare me the relativistic bull. Art can always be judged objectively. And one informed opinion outweighs a million uninformed opinions. Perhaps not at the box office, but I wasn’t criticizing Star Wars for not making any money, was I?
As for being chill, you’re the one trying desperately trying to make it about the messenger instead of the message.
Let me guess… you voted for Clinton, didn’t you?
Lol…no I didn’t vote for Clinton. You’re wrong again. I’m beginning to think you’re border line delusional. There are many people with ‘informed’ opinions that disagree with you. Including me. You have given me a few laughs but your arguments remind me of this wise-old saying, “…..don’t answer the foolish arguments of fools, or you will become as foolish as they are…”. You have a great day! 🙂
I hope you’re getting good money for your informed opinion 😉
Amen 🙂
Oh, you’re one of THOSE people, aren’t you?
I’m glad you made this comment so I know I can ignore anything else you ever say.
To be fair, J.J.’s Star Trek channels Star Wars. It’s more Wars than it is Trek, a reason why it’s been popular and successful. He also did an excellent job of casting, just as he did in VII.
But you are entitled your opinion, welcome to the forums.
exactly. most trekkies hate the new films because of that.
I understand. But Trek never made the money it did after the reboot. I love Trek. I’m a big TOS guy. And I still think they nailed the perfect mix in the reboots of capturing the flavor of Trek but making it worth watching for everyone.
You couldn’t pay my wife to watch ANY of the original or TNG films.
Now she gets excited for a reboot Trek flick.
Bro, that seems a bit narrow minded and harsh IMHO… Unless you’re talking about the Holiday Special, NONE of the SW films are terrible (See my rankings above). I feel bad for you….
If Luke is the Last Jedi,
Perhaps he fails training Rey. Kylo pops up in Anch-To and picks up Rey. She falls to the Dark Side, and then Luke (from beginning to end of VIII) is truly the last Jedi.
That would be a great premise for the IXth installment, and it would rhyme with Empire, as Yoda fails to train Luke, who chooses to confront Vader when his training is incomplete.
According to MSW, Luke and Rey fight-off Kylo and the Knights of Ren on Ahch-to.
I think some more thought should of gone into the title, We already knew Luke was the last Jedi from TFA opening crawl. No need to remind us by adding it to the title of the next movie. What’s done is done, hopefully Episode 9 title will be more creative.
I’m sure more thought went into it, you don’t know the story of the movie so…
Lots of questions…
1)Maybe Luke will die and leave Rey as the last Jedi.
2)Maybe Luke dies and takes with him the last of the traditional Jedi guardians of peace religion. Rey or Fin evolve to different kind of force users.
Unless episode 8 at some point skips forward a few years, then it makes sense Rey would be a Jedi. But so far everything still points to Luke.
I think Luke will have gone crazy looking for the First Jedi Temple, and he’s nothing more than a Gollum-style hermit searching high and low for his Precious.
Yay we get a new acronym for future rankings and arguments!
TPM
AOTC
ROTS
ANH
ESB
ROTJ
TFA
R1
TLJ
1. TESB – 10
2. ANH – 9
3. TFA – 8
4. ROTJ – 7
5. RO – 6.5
6-8. Do not care
Sure you dont.
For me it’s:
1. TESB – 10
2. ROTJ – 9.5
3. RO – 9
4. ANH – 9
5. TFA – 8
6. ROTS – 6
7. TPM – 5
8. TCW – 4 (movie, I’d put the series at about 7)
9. AOTC – 2
1. ROTJ
2. ANH
3. ESB
4. RO
5. TFA
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6. TPM
7. ROTS
8. AOTC
TESB – 10
ROTJ – 9
ANH – 9
RO – 6
ROTS – 5
AOTC – 4 (Series is a 6)
TPM – 4
TFA – 2
My turn. Ok, for me, its:
TESB-10 (Still the best of the bunch)
ANH-9
ROTS-8.5 (I know some may disagree, but I really liked ROTS 🙂 )..
R1-8.5 (Terrific movie! Better than I expected. I think its better than ROTJ)
ROTJ-7.5
TFA-7 (Good, but not phenomenal)
TPM-5.5 (I’ll always say, not as terrible as many people think)
AOTC-4 (Again, not terrible, but, in terms of substance, yeah, the worst of the films)
The Holiday Special-0 (Just for laughs. Lol Probably one of the worst “TV specials” of All Time, and certainly the worst thing ever associated with anything in the SW universe Lol)
I can’t believe we’re complaining about titles now…..wow.
We complained about The Force Awakens, too! In fact, that’s probably a worse title!
Episode 7: The Force Awakens
Episode 8: The Force Goes To Work
Episode 9: The Force Comes Home After A Bad Day To A Wife That Doesn’t Understand And Cries Itself To Sleep
WE didnt. You probably did.
Wow, rude.
Wow, you’re too sensitive. Go get a hug.
No big deal but you’d think twice before speaking like that to somebody face to face.
Speaking like what? Because I said, I didn’t complain about the title? Because I disagreed? Because saying WE doesn’t speak for me? What exactly did I say that I could not say to someone’s face?
No no, don’t play the victim here. If you’d stopped at “WE didn’t” then you’d be fine. You instead decided to turn it around and go after me.
Pay no notice. I thought it was funny.
I dont remember where i heard it, but human nature is to focus on negative things, in our old habitat that would be possible threats, in modern life it’s… star wars title’s
with name coming out in january do we still think they will wait until celebration for the teaser? i only bring this up because the super bowl is in two weeks. won’t get a much bigger audience then that.
That’s how they launched the first big TFA trailer, too, now that I remember back. You have a great point.
No, it’s not…
Are you sure? I remember SOME TFA trailer launching during some kind of sports event.
It was Monday night football in October. You are half right. But nothing during the Super Bowl.
Okay, fair enough. I’m one of those “all balls are sportballs” people so I just kind of assumed. 😛
haha, no worries! It’s all a blur!
November 7, 2014 they announced the title of The Force Awakens. November 28, 2014 they released the first trailer.
I hope you’re right!
Then that means…14th of February we’ll get the teaser? How unexpected. 😛
Doesn’t mean anything of course, I just find it interesting to compare. Helps the pass until Episode 8 🙂
They are waiting til Celebration. There has never been a Star Wars Super Bowl trailer.
It will be interesting to see.
By Super Bowl time in 2015, TFA had a November teaser trailer (Teaser 1) and then they showed Teaser 2 at Celebration.
It’s not out of the question to get a shorter, “Teaser 1” at Super Bowl, and then a longer Teaser 2 at Celebration.
It’s not, but it would be a first.
and?
And?
They’ve shown no need to go get a big audience b/c the big audience comes to Star Wars. They like having the spotlight to themselves, not sharing it with others.
Rogue One is still in theaters. They will wait a while longer.
so monday night football or the Olympics weren’t playing to big audiences? and of course they don’t have to just wondering if they would.
Monday Night Football is not the Super Bowl. It’s a difference by several orders of magnitude.
I’m not saying they won’t for sure. No one knows.
I’m saying they have given no indication that they would do so.
“they have given no indication that would do so.”
hence the speculative question on my part. as you said they don’t need to, but it would be a bold move to try and capitalize on rogue one’s success and the peak popularity of the brand. from a purely business stand point its fascinating, at least for me.
And I am also speculating that they won’t.
Super Bowl ads cost a lot of money. They can get a record number of views online for free or even increase ratings on a Monday night game for ABC by advertising it beforehand. I don’t see the benefit, honestly.
I’m sure I read recently on this site that there is a team working on the teaser now, so it’s possible we could see it before Celebration. But, the first Rogue One teaser dropped the first week in April (just before TFA hit the small screen), with Celebration being mid-April it would make more sense to delay the teaser until then.
its definitely the likely scenario, but remember rogue one was in the middle of a bunch of rewrites and reshoots at this time while TLJ has been in the can for a while. i’m curious to see how they play this.
We had to wait a long time to get the movie title, as much as I want to see a teaser sooner, I dunno, I think we’ll have to wait that bit longer.
Fingers crossed.
That depends on what Lucasfilm/Disney will do next; I wouldn’t mind either way..
they are in best possible position imaginable where either option works great. its just matter of how bold do they want to be.
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Great title, probably multiple meanings. To me it hints at the end of the Jedi “era”. Maybe Luke has evolved into something else? Or will take Rey into a new direction with the force?
Agreed! I think it’s leaning towards the last of the Jedi Order and its teachings. If Kylo is being trained by Snoke because of his dark AND light side attributes, then Luke must’ve trained Ben that way. Luke must realize the Jedi are not infallible and decides to break away after Ben’s turn to the dark side.
Maybe the last Jedi is at the first jedi temple and they meet in the middle.
Works for me!
I know not everyone is happy but I’m pretty pleased with Disney’s take on it all so far.
A Peaceful Transition
That’s actually really nice..damn
It reminds me of this interview where Daisy Ridley says she doesn’t think she’s a Jedi :
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Daisy-Ridley-Doesn-t-Think-Rey-Jedi-Wait-What-124147.html
Because she’s not. yet.
She was talking about episode 8. I think she won’t be a jedi, just like Kylo doesn’t seems to be a Sith. She’s gonna be something else… like a new order or something
Culturally, we’re moving away from religion. It seems natural, then, that Disney would seek to reflect these cultural shifts by easing the Jedi religion out of Star Wars mythology in favor of something more “inclusive” (Finn wielding and battling with Luke’s lightsaber).
I just don’t understand how the Jedi can return (ROTJ), then the Force diminishes then apparently awakens (TFA), and now it’s the end — or the last — of the Jedi. I know this is all speculation, but the one of many things I hated about TFA was its utter lack of mystique and mythological development. And I think this was purposeful. . . .
Yes. I agree it’s all sudden how Return of the Jedi they are gone and then 30 years later the force awakens and then the last Jedi but I know it’s much more deep than that. I have been waiting for this episode and I know it’s gonna be the best. Luke is my favorite Jedi. It’s perfect. Luke: the last Jedi…
I wouldn’t say we’re “moving away from religion”, but uh, I’ll just leave that alone.
Honestly this is just my opinion but I feel like Disney is doing almost the opposite. They are more closely paralleling it to real world religion by having a more inclusive spectrum of belief rather than just good and evil. There people like Chirrut praying despite having no powers or hermits like luke skywalker, or Force ‘atheists’ who just believe its a lot of simple tricks and nonsense, the force-neutral bendu, episode 7’s church of the force, etc. I’m guessing episode 8 will dive deep into some weird early jedi mysticism / lore.
Title aside I don’t see the jedi ever going away as they are so integral to star wars lore. I think it is more of a technique to give greater stakes to the hero of why there arent dozens of space-wizards backing her up in every fight. Thats why in the EU there were like five or six ‘jedi purges’ from KOTOR all the way to legacy where only one or a few Jedi escaped. even Rogue One- arguably the least jedi focused movie still had force attuned individuals, Jedi statutes, and of course sith like Vader. The only way I see the the Jedi ever going out completely is if lucasfilm is gutsy enough to have luke admit that his new jedi order failed for the same reasons as the old order and decides to form an entirely NEW organization of force users with Rey. But I can’t see that coming to pass.
Don’t mix Jedi with the force.
There are way more force-sensitive beings, like The Force Wielders, The nightsisters aso… You don’t have to be a Jedi or Sith to use the force.
Actually, Luke was the last Jedi in ROTJ, then he started teaching other force-sensitive beings to become Jedi, but they where murdered by the Knights of Ren, so actually at this time, he is the last Jedi.
Rogue One contradicts with that. The force is more of a religion there than ever before…
WONDERFUL! it’s dark, mysterious, and it it has a cool and mystical ring to it! It really rolls off the tongue. It’s just a bit unfortunate that there will be a bit of confusion when Star wars fans refer to the film as “Jedi”. I guess RotJ is gonna have to go by “Return” now.
When what Mark Hamil just said it has a “Last Samuri vibe” but he quickly moved on. While it could mean both I think from what Snoke said, Luke is the last Jedi. I think and hope it will be a Luke centric story must like TFA was a Han centric one.
Upon hearing the title today my thoughts went immediately to RotJ being known as ‘Jedi’ and what do we do with VIII. We could continue to refer to VI as Jedi, and VIII as Last Jedi, Last, or simply VIII. Personally, ‘Jedi’ will always refer to VI. Time will tell what we do with this conundrum.
You think they would have google the last jedi to see if it was already in use. I’m underwhelmed by the title. Maybe it will grow on me.
Well they said episode 7 was nearly titled “shadow of the empire” so clearly they don’t mind sounding similar / the same as legends material. I like the title personally, personally it took me a while to accept ‘the force awakens’ but this I take to a bit faster. There have been so much material out there it would be hard to not at least sound similar to something while still including a keyword like jedi, force, sith, etc. Though perhaps I’m just overly positive because of how happy I am that its none of the truely AWFUL rumored titles I heard. lol
No one cares about obscure EU novel titles except nerds.
They knew and they didn’t care.
“The next chapter in the Skywalker drama…” Thus confirming Rey is indeed a Skywalker.
Nope, Luke, Leia & Kylo Ren all have Skywalker blood. Any of those characters can be in the complete ST
Ben/Kylo is a Solo. Yes he has Skywalker blood. Do you think we’ll stray from the name? Or is this the end of the Skywalker story as well?
Precisely. And if Kylo is the only connection to the Skywalker blood line, what’s the point of Rey??
Could it be possible for Rey to be a Skywalker, just not Luke or Han’s daughter? I’m wondering if Anakin had a brother or sister, or if Shmi did. I know, I’m reaching.
Shmi wasn’t force-sensitive… so a half-brother or something wouldn’t help
That’s not how the Force works.
Without over analyzing blood lines, simply put, in the past (Before the Star Wars story films), Lucas himself said that Star Wars was about the Skywalkers. Kathleen Kennedy has affirmed that since taking over saying that the saga films are focused on the journey of the Skywalkers. More specifically, Anakin Skywalker’s story was the focus of the prequels, Luke Skywalker’s story was the focus of the originals, and thus we should probably assume that the focal character of the new trilogy, Rey, is indeed a Skywalker. I don’t know how they will bring her into the lineage exactly, however, it seems pretty obvious. Even Daisy Ridley said recently that she was shocked that people were asking the question after TFA of who her parent(s) were, as she thought it was pretty obvious. The whole scene with Maz Kanada in her castle, talking about Luke’s lightsaber and how it calls to her, makes it pretty clear. Even go back to the 2nd trailer with Luke’s voiceover saying. “The Force is strong in my family. My father has it. I have it. My sister has it. You have that power to.” What are us as fans not understanding here? Rey is a Skywalker and most likely, Luke’s daughter. Anakin (prequels) to Luke (originals). Luke (originals) to Rey (new). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk3aMrwlpGg
Kennedy said these Saga films are the stories of the Skywalkers. Ben and Luke and Leia.
Rey might be Luke’s daughter, but the “Not how the Force works” is in response to Jens Joe Nick saying: “Shmi wasn’t force-sensitive… so a half-brother or something wouldn’t help”
You don’t need Force-sensitive (ugh, that phrase is never used in-universe) parents to have the Force yourself.
this might be controversial, but: REYLO?
The fact is, from that perspective, Leia is Organa, and Luke have his surname not from Anakin but from his uncle and aunt, foster parents.
Kylo has Anakin Skywalker DNA, it is a fact, he is tall and became dark like him. He s probably more Skywalker than Luke :)))
Funny to point this :D…
The surname of uncle Owen and aunt Beru was “Lars”.
In fact Luke was named after his father Anakin Skywalker.
Which was a pretty dumb idea, if you want to hide a child from his father. 🙂
Wow, I feel so dumb/ignorant now.
I always realized the reason of his name was his uncle…
Hiding a kid from his father and give him his name is really weird as you say.
I wonder if when they wrote those script names, they were not thinking about The Empire Strikes Back development “I am your father”.
Lucas said maybe Skywalker is a common name in the galaxy.
But yeah, at the time of ANH, they didn’t have a clue vader was gonna be Luke’s papa.
Yep, depsite what Lucas says, it is very clear that he DID NOT have it all figured out for his trilogy. I mean, why have Luke keep his original name, why have brother and sister kiss multiple times, amongst many others.
Oh, that’s been clear since 1980
Yeah but he was hidden on a planet made of sand = genius Obi-Wan :p
But he didn’t know that Anakin was still alive for a long time, or that Vader’s suit was sand-repellent!
Not really since Kylo and Luke and Leia are in this.
The last Jedi to everyone is clearly talking about Luke… could have the title a second, third meaning?
For example interesting the point of the post, “jedi” is also plural, as “sith” could be understood as plural in “The Revenge of the Sith”, more than one as Skywalker became Vader.
The thing is that we could divide Star Wars movie titles in some showing some action, Revenge, Return, Strikes Back and some more static.
So if we understand the title static/noun “Last”, means the Last one/ones.
But… if we understand it as action/verb, Revenge, Return…
Last would mean: continue, carry on, go on, endure, “continue to function well or to be in good condition for a considerable or specified length of time.”
Imagine Luke hopeless retired in the planet island, her academy destroyed, her apprentice passed to dark.
In that situation Rey could mean the last of the jedi order.
Just for future reference, “her” refers to a woman. As Luke is a man you would say “his” academy, “his” apprentice
Haha, what I was thinking!?
May be Luke wants change of genre?
Yes, sure, I am correcting it.
Thanks 😉
So forgetting about MOVIE quality, I would rank the titles for the saga films:
1.) The Empire Strikes Back
2.) Return of the Jedi
3.) Revenge of the Sith
4.) The Last Jedi
5.) The Phantom Menace
6.) A New Hope
7.) The Force Awakens
8.) Attack of the Clones
What about Rogue One?
So hard to compare IMO since it feels so different than the saga titles, but I’d say if you consider the title to be simply ‘Rogue One’ then it ranks rather highly for me – simple, multifaceted and to the point. If the full title includes ‘Rogue One: A Star Wars Story’ ,however, then consider it the bottom of the list lol.
ESB is the best SW movie DESPITE the title, not because of it.
Meh. For a few reasons
1) It was already the title of a lame EU novel
2) It doesn’t fit with the symmetry that Clones/Empire had in regards to military force
3) Probably implies that Luke will die at some point and it will be Rey’s legacy to carry on the Jedi which is what he should have been doing in between films rather than being an emo loser hiding out on a rock.
Just hope the film is better than TFA, All I ask.
That symmetry was already broken with The Force Awakens. A New Hope and The Phantom Menace are both references to specific characters. The Force Awakens can actually stand alone as a sentence much like The Empire Strikes Back.
I also hope it’s better than TFA…which would be hard to do…because TFA was fantastic.
The symmetry was broken with TFA.
“A New Hope and The Phantom Menace are both references to specific characters.” – is arguable.
Personally i see A New Hope = Luke & Leia
and The Phantom Menace = The Sith
How are Luke, Leia, and the Sith not characters? Whatever. Fine. Let me rephrase. A New Hope and The Phantom menace are noun phrases that are referencing characters…be it in the singular, plural, general, or specific.
A New Hope, however, doesn’t refer to Leia. The whole idea of Leia being Luke’s sister with Force potential didn’t come about until ROTJ was being drafted. These things should be considered in their proper contexts.
My error. I misunderstood. I thought You were
referring to ANH and TPM being singular. Which
I don’t feel. ANH’s title was first used after
TESB was released, if I remember right. Wasn’t
there a few line on TESB
“That boy is Our last hope”.
“There is another”.
Their decision to use the title of ANH could be
construed as being introduced after it had been
established that Luke and Leia were siblings.
I think A New Hope refers to Luke. Just Luke. I think Lucas developed the idea that Leia would be Luke’s sister while writing Return of the Jedi. It’s sort of hard to pin down exactly where that’s documented, but Lucas made up more as he went along than folks generally think.
The line “There is another” is certainly a bit troublesome, but that’s just movie writing. Who knows what was intended with it? I think that if Lucas really had any idea that he would eventually have Luke and Leia meet on the family tree, he would have nixed that scene where she kisses him on Hoth. Because…you know…it’s pretty gross. Heh heh.
I think by the time Jedi rolled around, they were being a bit more nuanced with the titles. So in that regard, I think The Phantom Menace could be interpreted as a variety of things: Anakin? the Sith? Palpatine? – Personally, I tend to lean toward Darth Sidious (rather than Palpatine) as the “menace”. In the narrative, he’s presented as a distinct being from Palpatine. I mean, we all know who he is…and there’s no real attempt to deceive us, but he’s still presented as the ‘other’ side of Palpatine who exists as a phantom of sorts at the outskirts of all that is unfolding.
1. No one cares
2. No one cares.
3. No it doesn’t.
You don’t know why Luke is at the first Jedi temple.
I hope your next comment is better. All I ask.
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They should put spoiler warnings in the opening crawls.
Nice catch!
With the title revealed I keep hearing the Luke probably will die (for whatever reason). Maybe this is true but also keep in mind that this doesn’t neccessarily mean that this is the end of his story.
Remember one of the first drafts of the script for ROTJ? Luke was supposed to bring back Obi-Wan to the world of the living. At some point I heared that Luke is to become so powerful that he can switch from the netherworld to the real world at will.
What if this will happen in the movie(s)?
The First Order is out to destroy Luke and they manage to kill him. But he returns – not as a force ghost but in physical form. He has become truly immortal. This would mean that all the First Order was fighting for was in vain. They realize the true potential of the Force and that they will never destroy the Jedi. They are defeated once and for all.
We know Luke is on Ahch-To, where the first Jedi temple is located.
I’m thinking Luke went back there, to simply start from the beginning. We know from the comics he has Obi-Wan’s journal, so perhaps he learns of the mistakes the Jedi made. For example, the narrow view they developed because of 1000 years/ generations of peace. This is mentioned in Ep2/3 and other material.
Perhaps, though it’s called the first Jedi temple, it’s instead the place where the first Force-sensitive beings found each other, maybe via the rumored Force tree. At ths point there are only Force-sensitive beings, no talk of the light or dark side, just beings learning together what they can achieve with their abilities. Only later there’s a schism, breaking up the group in different factions.
Learning all this, Luke realises that to achieve complete understanding, one has to master all aspects of the Force. This is something Palpatine also mentioned to Anakin. The difference being that Luke is strong enough to control even the Dark Side, to hold it at bay if you will.
Long story short, Luke is the titular last Jedi, referencing both Yoda’s words and TFA’s opening scroll.
However he is also the First Jedi, being the first utilizing a new, more comprehensive mastering of the Force.
This could lead to the idea that Ben/ Kylo Ren turns against Snoke. Remember that Snoke saw both the light and dark side potential in him, taking Ben on as his apprentice. If Luke can achieve a status quo, then perhaps Kylo Ren isn’t yet lost.
/end.
“The difference being that Luke is strong enough to control even the Dark Side, to hold it at bay if you will.”
No.
Please elaborate.
Sorry, I just find it to be very 90s for people to want the Jedi to use both dark and light. Palpatine was seducing Anakin to the dark side, so his statement there is false and suspect.
Luke shouldn’t go near the dark side. Just my POV
Ok, thanks for replying.
I agree that Palpatine was seducing Anakin, though there is a hint of truth in that statement. It is mentioned that the Jedi lost focus of the bigger picture (I believe Pablo Hidalgo also mentioned this in is multiple piece twitter explanation).
My point being that perhaps Luke is looking for teachings before there were Jedi Council established rules, so to speak. Compare it to the council of Nicaea, where it was determined which stories would be incorporated in the Bible.
Furthermore, I acknowledge your 90’s remark, however the Story Group incorporates more and more Expanded Universe elements in the new canon. Though, if one is to look only at the movies, this is something that isn’t explored yet. It also might give Luke an edge, in the beginning of the movie not quite knowing what’s going on with him. I think that is more interesting than just him and Rey and a training montage, mixed with explanations, making it different in that regard than ESB.
Right, the Jedi had lost their way, but going towards controlling the dark side is not the answer.
I don’t think any versions of Jedi, even before the council, would seek to control the dark side.
The 90’s remark is just that everyone really wanted that anti-hero/gray Jedi thing and as Pablo has said, there is no such thing as a gray Jedi. If you walk the line of using the dark side, you aren’t a Jedi anymore. Which maybe Luke won’t be.
” I think that is more interesting than just him and Rey and a training montage, mixed with explanations, making it different in that regard than ESB.”
I think they might surprise you. I don’t see it TLJ being exactly that.
Again, I hear you.
Bu what I’m talking about is Luke being Force-sensitive in a way beyond Jedi/ Sith. Something new entirely. However, in doing so, he somehow must have mastered all aspects of the Force (not as a grey Jed, I agree this sort of thing has been done to death).
Something has happened to him during his studies before TFA, which will make the audience – at least at first – question his allegiance so to speak.
( Come to think of it, the art of TFA mentions some of these things, even going as far as coming up with art depicting Luke as someone not mentally stable.)
So yeah, I agree about the surprising factor, for TLJ to be something new, something not seen in a SW movie.
Well Luke choked out Gamorean guards, so….
Right b/c he was teetering too close to the dark side. They had to show that he was on the edge. Half of the conflict in Jedi is whether he turn to the dark side or not and at the end, he definitely does not. He throws his saber away and fully embraces the Jedi way.
Everything I am saying is about Luke post-ROTJ. If his father, who he idolized couldn’t sway him, then nothing will.
The last jedi SPOILER ALERT:
1) Luke left Rey with Unkar Platt at Jaku because she was the daughter of an apprentice in his Jedi academy. Luke left her with an enslaver and not with farmers or more noble people because he thought no one would look for her in such place, they would expected a Jedi to leave his apprentice in gentle hands.
2) Snoke provokes Rey to kill Ren by telling Rey, Ren killed her parents and Rey becomes sith enraged also by the fact she suffered lots in Unkar Platt’s hands and hates Luke and Jedis for leaving her there. She feels anger with Luke and wants revenge, which best way is turning to the dark side and destroy all Jedi.
3) In some of the dramatic moments in the movie, Finn sees how Rey turns to dark side and begs her not to do so, but fails and escapes.
4)At the end of the movie, Luke is STILL the last Jedi.
Title cheats you, by making you think what seems obvious (Luke wil die like Obi Wan and Rey will be the last Jedi like Luke was and Ren is the new Vader) to turn the events in an awesome plot twist (Ren is not Vader… Is Darth Maul, Rey is Vader and not Luke, and Luke is still our last Jedi and hope).
Regards,
That would be awesome.
That would subvert a lot of expectations, though I’m not sure it would square with Rian’s claims that this movie isn’t necessarily going to be dark like ESB. That’s super dark.
Mmmmm
I wish the Title meaning was not The Last Jedi, as the last one, but the lasting of the jedi.
And also I think the title is not refering to the end of the movie… but to the development:
First Order and Knights of Ren chasing the Last Jedi and his new apprentice Rey Kenobi? Skywalker? Palpatine? whatever surname she has.
I think that there isn’t so much difference between the age of Rey and the age of Ren…So I think it’s difficult that Ren killed Rey’s parents because he was too much young (younger than we saw in the flashback of Ep VII). (PS: sorry for my bad english)
Ren is ten years older than Rey.
So many things wrong here. The title doesn’t make me think Luke will die. And Rey won’t go to the dark side. Can’t spoil alert if it’s all made up.
I know that summary is made up. But it’s actually not half bad. Better than other ones I’ve read (including one that had IG 88 working with Leia, which is silly/goofy talk)
The title to me implies that Luke has a significant role in this movie. At this moment in time I’m totally on the fence whether it’s singular (Luke), or plural (Luke and Rey).
Like your ideas though.
not bad grasshopper!
It’s not a spoiler if it’s just your guess, but sure SPOILERS!!!!!
I like it, as MH says, straightforward and minimalist and a welcome break from all that rhyming sh*t so beloved by GL.
I want a trailer so bad.
May be we have to wait until Star Wars Celebration in April, but sure not later.
If that title makes you think Luke will die, then congrats on this being your first movie!
If Leia is killed off in The Last Jedi, then I think the chances of Luke also following suit in that movie are highly unlikely.
My thoughts exactly.
Anyone else feel that a trailer is dropping very soon ?
No.
I think they’ll wait till Star Wars Celebration in April to drop the first trailer.
Why not a Super Bowl teaser ?
Would be very cool to just have it show up
It’s possible, I just think Disney would rather have the trailer get attention all to itself by releasing it on a date that has nothing else going on, rather than have the trailer compete against all the other major Superbowl ads and trailers. Also, they wouldn’t have to pay the ridiculous premium that Superbowl ad airtime demands.
Well after R1 Star Wars fatigue is… nowhere to be seen. I’m surprised it actually seems to have fed into my hype for Ep. 8. Can’t wait to see what the new gang is up to.
I’m still a bit wary of the Solo film but anything can happen between now and it’s release.
Two words: Lord, Miller. If anyone can pull it off, it’s those two.
we will see…the good news, I have extremely low expectations for the Solo flick.
Hoping 8 will knock it out of the park…The Solo movie is going to really be a test, as it has a lot of fans that are in the middle on this one.
Yeah, I’m cautiously optimistic about the new Han Solo movie. It very well may be the Star Wars movie I needed that I didn’t know I’d want. They have an opportunity to turn it into an entire different style of movie, not seen in the Star Wars universe yet. As of right now though, I’m not terribly excited but I know I’ll see it opening night like I have all the others.
Without over analyzing blood lines, simply put, in the past (Before the Star Wars story films), Lucas himself said that Star Wars was about the Skywalkers. Kathleen Kennedy has affirmed that since taking over saying that the saga films are focused on the journey of the Skywalkers. More specifically, Anakin Skywalker’s line. Anakin’s story was the focus of the prequels, Luke Skywalker’s story was the focus of the originals, and thus we should probably assume that the focal character of the new trilogy, Rey, is indeed a Skywalker. I don’t know how they will bring her into the lineage exactly, however, it seems pretty obvious. Even Daisy Ridley said recently that she was shocked that people were asking the question after TFA of who her parent(s) were, as she thought it was pretty obvious. The whole scene with Maz Kanata in her castle, talking about Luke’s lightsaber and how it calls to her, makes it pretty clear. Even go back to the 2nd trailer with Luke’s voiceover saying. “The Force is strong in my family. My father has it. I have it. My sister has it. You have that power to.” What are us as fans not understanding here? Rey is a Skywalker and most likely, Luke’s daughter. Anakin (prequels) to Luke (originals). Luke (originals) to Rey (new). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk3aMrwlpGg
Maz Kanata and Rey sequence – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smBxTlDYAIQ
Ben, Luke and Leia are Skywalkers. Rey doesn’t need to be one for this to be about them.
I disagree only from the standpoint that the primary character has been in the other trilogies a Skywalker. It would be definitely big out of the box move to make Rey a non-Skywalker.
Lot of big, out of the box moves being made lately.
I’d like to see Rey as a Skywalker. But I’d rather see her as Han and Leia’s daughter; a daughter that Han and Leia thought dead. In that way, she’d still be in direct linage to Anakin.
I thought this initially as well, but, Bloodline made it pretty clear that Han and Leia only had one child.
Yeah. That’s a bit of a snag. I initially considered the idea that Ben wiped out the Jedi academy, but held back from killing his sister. Instead, he marooned her on Jakku. Han and Leia, of course, assumed she was dead. But Bloodline, unless I’m mistaken, takes places just 7 years before The Force Awakens. The math just doesn’t work out.
That was my personal favorite theory but their age gap isn’t that big either. He would have to have been a 15 year old leaving a 6 year old on a planet. Also the thing Rey was old enough to know who her parents are right? Wouldn’t she have recognized Han if he was her father? To that point, she would know who Luke is. Something isn’t adding up here.
Very roughly, Rey is about 20 and Ben is about 30. So…Ben would have been 23 during Bloodline and Rey about 13. There’s my fancy math skills at work. Yeah…darn…
Ah well. I’ll go ahead and cultivate my fall-back theory that she’s the Rancor Keepers daughter. That was my go-to after I read Bloodline.
I felt the same way. Seems pretty obvious she is of Skywalker decent. In addition to the reasons you pointed out she is also as gifted as Anakin was. The only thing we don’t know is the ESB style twist that’s coming. Anakin could have had other children besides Luke and Leia who in turn had children of their own. He did a lot of flying around the galaxy, wouldn’t have been too hard to sew some wild oats. I know Padme was hot but if I went my whole life up until I got my balls burned off only having been intimate with one person then I’d turn to the darkside too. Rey could be Vader’s grandchild just not by Luke or Leia. There has to be a twist…
Interesting thought, however, Anakin was so loyal and in love with Padme’. In addition in the Clone Wars series we get no indication that Anakin was interested in anyone else or was a player of some kind. Han Solo sleeping around the galaxy, yes. Anakin, no.
It would openly contradict everything we know and seen about the character of Anakin, and frankly that would be by far the stupidest thing in the history of Star Wars.
How does Rogue One block an Ep. 8 trailer ?
So, who is the “last Jedi” ? Is it Luke or Rey ? Does the title mean there will be no more Jedis after Episode VIII ? And why the red color ? That’s all very depressing..
It’s likely Luke, but we don’t know for sure.
The red color is probably to make it look different from TFA’s logo.
I don’t think so. The red color in the logo must have some deeper meaning as it is the first time it has ever been used in a Star Wars film logo, The scary part is that red is a color normally associated with dark side force users in the Star Wars universe.
You might want to check again:
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130619000654/logopedia/images/6/67/Star-wars-episode-vi—return-of-the-jedi.png
It was used in Return of the Jedi and Revenge of the Sith:
http://img09.deviantart.net/4fc4/i/2004/275/8/0/revenge_of_the_sith_1_of_3_by_djnugget84.jpg
Fans tend to read too deeply into things like this.
You’d think they would have reserved that colour for the third film…
It’s ultimately unimportant.
I love it. Good comments below. I didn’t realize until I read through them that Luke was referred to as “The Last Jedi” in the opening scrawl of TFA. I don’t think the title implies anyone is going to die necessarily, but rather that the focus of this one is going to be on Luke and what happened to him. To speculate though, perhaps Luke doesn’t want to train Rey because of his failings with Ben, and as a result he insists on being “the last jedi.”
I find it absolutely hilarious that there is so much speculation going on about what it means, when it’s clearly just a continuation of ‘the last Jedi’ part from the opening crawl of TFA. The only thing I would say past that is that this movie may give us a bit of back story about what he has been up to. That’s about it.
A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away,THE PHANTOM MENACE gives rise to
an ATTACK OF THE CLONES, resulting in the REVENGE OF THE SITH, but along
came a NEW HOPE which was victorious for a time, but soon THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK and finally after many years we see a RETURN OF THE JEDI. Then,
when we thought all was said and done THE FORCE AWAKENS in Rey, but
despite this new, “new hope”, Luke still finds himself as THE LAST JEDI
standing.
Only to be brought to balance by The Shadow Heir.
Is that what you thought the title of Episode 8 would be? (I note you did nominate “TLJ” as the previous version, so kudos for that)
It was under consideration, though I think they’re reserving it for E9, but then again, apparently Colin wants to use a Joe Campbell reference for that one.
What will his LEGACY OF THE FORCE be?
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9bfaeee79c596d0d2da8043e6b2bf1af18611d5f70e895fb6b62008fee1aebe4.png
Lightsabers worked fine under water in the Clone Wars.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPqBSPZBRoo/
Not really relevant to the current subject but this got me thinkin. Anyone think Luke possibly had a hand in Rey’s family possible demise? I mean we are all expecting for a Rey Skywalker reveal but what if instead we get a no Luke killed your parents instead. Like the reverse of what Luke and the we the audience learned to be the truth in Empire Strikes Back. Maybe they were terrible Empire people who deserted her on Jakku and had beef with Luke. He seemed to recognize Rey so if she is not his Luke knows where she came from.
Love the title because lots of people seem to know who is the last Jedi in their opinions. And I love it because in the end the last Jedi could be Snoke himself, the son of Yoda, the brother of Bib Fortuna, a stylized gamorrean warrior or the son of the son of the son of the son of… ;P