Clarification on the Star Wars Rebels Easter Egg in Rogue One.
By now, it’s no secret that the Ghost is among the ships that take part in the operation over Scarif, or that a certain droid from Rebels makes a blink-and-you’ll-miss-it cameo on Yavin IV. But a certain communications announcement is ambiguous enough to refer to either one of two characters, and that’s been a cause of a bit of debate. Well, now we know which character it is.
Minor spoilers for Rogue One ahead!
The line that’s been a source of confusion amongst fans is an intercom message demanding that the presence of one “General Syndulla” is needed in the briefing room. The line’s been a cause for confusion given that the surname could refer to Rebels lead Hera Syndulla or her father Cham from The Clone Wars. Through an article on Entertainment Weekly, Dave Filoni has explained who it is, compounded with this tweet by Hera’s voice actress, Vanessa Marshall:
Many asked if “General Syndulla” was in fact Hera in #RogueOne: @dave_filoni confirms! Thank you @mattwood! https://t.co/DhLaTerUtP via @ew
— Vanessa Marshall (@vanmarshall) December 20, 2016
The article itself is pretty illuminating and I would recommend that big fans of Rebels and/or Rogue One check it out. The most important parts of the article are included below:
The Ghost is also visible in the upper left corner of this shot [see the image at the top of this article], on a landing pad at the temple base on Yavin 4. Filoni says fans of the show may someday see Rogue One’s action retold from his characters’ perspective on a future season of Rebels. “I already have some theories about the story behind it,” Filoni says. “I can imagine doing that entire [Scarif] battle from their point of view, whoever is on the Ghost at that point.”
Hera Syndulla is the green-skinned alien Twi’lek who pilots the Ghost starship, and although she doesn’t appear on screen in Rogue One, a “General Syndulla” is summoned to the briefing room over the intercom at the Yavin 4 base. Filoni credits sound designer Matt Wood, who also voices the character General Grievous, for that reference. We don’t see Hera, but we know she’s there. Although some fans are debating about that. We have the answer…
The “General Syndulla” reference has created debate among Rebels fans, since Hera’s father, Cham Syndulla, is already a resistance general on the show – and she’s not. It turns out, this a tease of things to come on Rebels. “I can clarify that’s absolutely Hera being paged, not her dad,” Filoni says. “The movie gives that away, but I would rather have all the [references] be right. Hera will eventually become a general in the Rebel Alliance.” But how? That storyline will remain a mystery for now.
So there you have it. Hera survives the events of Rebels and is presumably the one piloting the Ghost over Scarif. (Granted, that’s presuming that Rebels wraps up at 0 BBY – which, given the current pace of every season to cover about the greater part of a year, might not be the case.) The biggest hint that it was her and not her father on Yavin IV – aside from her ship being present – was that you could see and hear Chopper rolling about just before Mon Mothma is told about the unauthorized operation by the Rogue One team. But context-wise, it wouldn’t make very much sense for Cham to be there, considering his primary goal is to liberate Ryloth from the Empire – conversely, his daughter is much more concerned about the greater Rebel Alliance as a whole. In any case, it’s great to see that the link is even there and that Lucasfilm is taking every bit of canon seriously.
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Very cool! Also, I was under the impression that Rebels would surpass the events of the Battle of Yavin, at least a little bit, and delve into what happens to the Ghost crew post-Death Star.
Would actually be interesting if Kanan and Ezra are literally on Alderaan with Bail doing some covert mission before being annihilated by the Death Star. *gasp*
would they need ben at that point if they have two younger jedi on hand?
This show has really written itself into a hole with Kanan and Ezra.
Didn’t they confirm that rebels was ending at season 3?
No
i think season four is already in the can.
Yeah, Season four is already done. By now, they’re in early development for season 5
As far as I remember, Dave said there will be only 3 seasons.
Nope. They already said that the whole “Rebels ends at Season 3” rumor is fake. Freddie Prinze Junior has said that they want to make it to Season 6 at the very least, which would make sense, as that would be around the time that Star Wars Episode IX would arrive.
– Pomojema
At the very begining they said rebels will be a short story, with only three seasons, and that another different animated show will come, looks like they changed their minds at some point, thats why they had not mention it again, so this is good news.
I always heard Rebels would have 5 seasons, not 3.
And aren’t they working on season 4 right now?
I believe Freddie Prinze Jr. said that they’ll ideally be doing about 7 seasons.
so glad they acknowledged both shows in one of the movies. i was worried this might become an agents of shield situation.
The Marvel TV/Marvel Movies divide has a lot to do with the drama between the corporate heads of those divisions, plus the fact that some of their licenses are sold out to other companies. Lucasfilm uniformly owns Star Wars and are operating under a single committee. That’s the key difference here.
– Pomojema.
Regardless of all that, they are doing it better at LFL
Agreed. What Marvel has done with their movies and Netflix shows have been remarkable, and the other shows have been fair, but the connective tissue between these works could really use work.
– Pomojema
very true and for the life of me i don’t understand why they tolerate that guy runs the tv side for marvel.
Neither do I, quite frankly (provided that you’re talking about Ike Perlmutter; under his current policies, Marvel Comics sales have dropped significantly). At this point, I think he needs to be encouraged to retire and let someone who can actually cooperate with Kevin Feige take his place.
– Pomojema
Marvel need to look across the aisle and take notes.
But by everyone’s baffling logic, the Ghost crew needed to die in Rogue One to explain why they don’t appear in the other movies.
Re: “But by everyone’s baffling logic”
To be fair, we don’t know that the crew didn’t die in Rogue One.
Lotta ships ‘sploding in that there massive battle!
and then, they were not really around for the DS attack were they?
maybe they were sent out to look for the Tantive IV when it didn’t arrive at its destination
Oh God I hope the showing doesn’t have Ghost and crew secretly crossing paths with ANH.
while im sure we can come up with tens of different maybes, the point of the story group was to keep everything consistent. im not gonna lie, i didn’t like Rebels references in R1, if Kanan and Ezra are still around during ANH (and, on top of that, everything now is pointing towards them meeting Kenobi before the end of the season 3) then what the heck was the point of Luke and Leia in a first place? Ezra is already (2-3ish years before Battle of Yavin) 10 times more powerful than Luke was in ROTJ. i don’t mind Rebels as a kids cartoon, but further cannonization of that story really messes up the foundations on which OT storyline was built
It’s not about who is more powerful. Luke (or Leia) have the ability to bring Vader back to the light to destroy the Emperor, Kanan and Ezra don’t. It’s that simple.
They’ve already had their asses handed to them by Vader, and he certainly doesn’t have sentimentality clouding his focus like with Luke and Asohka.
Many of those ships weren’t. Maybe Rebels will clear up that Yavin wasn’t the only hidden fortress. Mothma probably went back to Coruscant for the vote or whatever it was to disband the senate after RO and before ANH.
Do we need to explain why Dodonna wasn’t in empire or Jedi? Or why Mon Mothma wasn’t in Hope or Jedi? No we don’t. So there is no reason to explain why the spectre cell or rogue one don’t turn up in a future chapter
Well, there’s no reason to explain why the Ghost and Hera don’t show up. There is a need to explain Kanan and Ezra.
omg for real…mon mothma was in jedi…and in deleted scenes in ROTS
I meant Empire lol, and she wasn’t actually in ROTS
She WAS in the deleted scenes, though.
We are lucky with this. We can say we have already Rebels to explain that. And if the events of last episodes will take place during Scarif, as Filoni says, probably will know the fate of Rebels characters.
Hey maybe Disney will cancel it before we get there just like Clone Wars! And then they can create another animated show that can be used to try and wrap up all the dangling plot threads from Rebels the way Rebels is trying to do for Clone Wars!
And that one can get canceled before the Battle of Endor! And then…
It just makes the world feel all that more connected with little nods to this and that. Also glad to hear that Hera is getting a promotion too! It would have been so easy for them to leave it a mystery as to which one it was.
I guess we know that Hera doesn’t die in Rebels now.
I suppouse the last episode of the show will have the last words. Scarif was a great battle and lots of ships were destroyed, specially when those Star destroyers appeared from hyperspace (brilliant moment from RO)
Assuming that Rebels doesn’t continue beyond New Hope.
I’m guessing that the series finale will happen during The Battle of Scarif or sooner.
So much respect for Rebels. Amazing. Much better job than the way they handle Marvel’s Netflix/TV series “tie-ins.”
Rebels is enjoyable in the same way that Clone Wars was…they both give you insights into the larger SW universe and enrich the stories presented in the films. Not always to every fans liking, but for me, I love it and really appreciate the thought that is put into these LFL productions.
Star Wars Bible quiz
https://www.facebook.com/259922680696447/photos/a.337095876312460.79325.259922680696447/1060039794018061/
The Bible and Star Wars, two great works of fiction, it’s just a shame that a large group of people really believe one of them ahppened
I believe in Luke Skywalker. His story really DID happen.
*eye roll*
I know, right? The fact that some people believe that Star Wars really happened….
trust in Jesus
The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” –Psalm 14:1
If you really lived according to the scriptures, you wouldn’t be posting here.
Loving this. Rebels now has a direction of travel that it didn’t have before.
Didn’t have before? So you missed the bit about the show detailing the founding of the Rebel Alliance?
That wasn’t a dig at the show. I was merely noting on the fact that we now have a goal (the battle of Scarif) to work towards.
The goal was/is formation of Rebel Alliance/return of Luke Skywalker/Obi-wan Kenobi (the Jedi).
Formation of Rebel Alliance? Yes. Luke and Obi-wan? Don’t see it. Those two have their own stories going on elsewhere.
The show might end before they ever get there.
It’s pretty much guaranteed to go to five seasons. Unlike The Clone Wars it’s Disney’s baby.
Nothing is guaranteed if it is losing money.
But is Rebels losing money?
Oh, I don’t know. I’m just saying if it starts to do poorly, it isn’t immune to being canceled.
Does the crew of the Ghost survive the Battle of Scarif or is that how they end their journey in the Star Wars universe ?
We don’t know, probably won’t find out until down the line on Rebels.
I think that the book Star Wars Propaganda hints that Hera fought on past the Battle Of Yavin. No word on the others, though, and I really don’t think we’ll get an answer on their fates on any format aside from the show.
– Pomojema
That CG model of The Ghost looks pretty good, Is it digital? I think they really upped their f/x game with this film but it will probably get snubbed due to the fact it’s both Disney and Star Wars.
Since when has Star Wars or Disney ever been snubbed by the Academy (assuming that’s what you’re referring to)?
The PT was snubbed for visual and sound FX time and time again. ANH was snubbed for Best Picture. Empire wasn’t even nominated!
Um, we’re not talking about Best Picture, he’s talking about the SFX. ANH, TESB, ROTJ, TPM, AOTC and TFA were all nominated in that catergory, with the OT movies all winning.
I believe TPM, AOTC, ROTS and TFA – at least one of them – should have won. Hence the snubbing.
I’m pretty sure that all the ship models in Rogue One are digital. With every Star Wars movie from The Phantom Menace onward, physical models of the ships exist to use as a basis for the digital images – they just don’t appear in the movie because CGI is easier to use and is more dynamic.
– Pomojema
Remember that fella that wanted to see R1 as his last wish……
http://www.herefordtimes.com/news/14975185.VIDEO__Star_Wars_director_reveals_voice_of_Hereford_fan_who_died_this_summer_appears_in_series____latest_blockbuster/?ref=mr&lp=17
That’s one way to be immortalized.
Gareth Edwards is certainly a stand-up guy, didn’t realise he had personally visited him as well.
It was his enthusiasm for Star Wars, seeing him in interviews talking about the film that started to change my expectations for how the film would turn out.
Glad to see that he is every bit the grounded human being that I believe him to be.
I kind of hope that if Rebels goes into battle of yavin/rogue one territory that the three jedi are killed-off by then. Doesn’t make much sense otherwise. I always thought Vader’s bringing balance to the force was by reducing the jedi to one master and one apprentice as with the Sith. Having a truck load other jedi kicking around in the background just seems weird in line with the original movies.
They don’t have to die.
The prophecy, while vague, seems to be about him destroying the Sith. It just took a roundabout way to get there.
And the key is not that other Jedi are needed, but it took Luke specifically to unlock the goodness in Vader. No one else could do that.
As the prophecy was to bring balance to the force, I always assumed it meant literally that rather than to destroy the sith. There’s no balance without sith.
I also thought that back in the day. But as the Sith are a corruption of the Force, them being destroyed brings it back into balance.
Sith: Not a ‘corruption’ of the Force. The dark (Bogan) is as natural as the light (Ashla); the Sith are imbalanced (as were the Jedi by the end) by strict adherence to one side or the other. This is pretty 101-level stuff – like, basic college philosophy…and the original Je’daii Order incorporated a balanced view of the Force. Without darkness, there can be no light. Don’t concentrate on the finger, grasshopper… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDW6vkuqGLg
They kinda do, else Yoda’s ‘When gone am I…the last Jedi…will you be” statement gets deflated / debunked…
Ashoka left the Jedi order. She was not a Jedi anymore but she was still alive.
A Jedi is not just anyone who can use the Force. They can turn from the Jedi way and Yoda’s statement is still true.
Thanks – I understand the distinction. But (at least for Kanan), it ain’t necessarily so…him being a card-carrying Jedi & all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgjRhgXaN2Q
All he has to do is walk away from being a Jedi, like Ashoka did.
That’s the king of all BS cop-outs. Try again. Kanan’s ticket = Due to be punched. QED
Depends on the story. I don’t judge before I see things.
You’re right! Here’s what actually happened to the ~10,000 (or so) Jedi around during Order 66:
Hologram: Execute….Order 66
Clone Trooper: Yes m’lord
Jedi: QUITSIES!!!!!! (drops saber & does ‘jazz hands’) No longer a Jedi!!!! Just an ordinary guy in a robe. Nothing to see here!
Clone Trooper (drops blaster, stomping ground): Karabast! Snagged on a technicality!!!! (To trooper nearby) ‘Ere…’ee says e’s not a Jedi!
Trooper 2: Oi, that’s a shame, mate. Gonna be a lot o’ them running ’round the galaxy, I reckon…
So by Ep. IV, there’s what… ~9K (non) “Jedi” lurking about?
F**k right off…
Dude, YOU don’t even believe that shit, and you’re here trying to sell it to the other adults in the room?
dis·in·gen·u·ous: ˌdisənˈjenyo͞oəs/ adjective
Not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.
Not at all. Everyone, EVERYONE assumed Ashoka would have to die before Episode 3 happened.
EVERYONE was wrong because they didn’t have the capability to imagine a story where she lived.
And here we are again, with people doing the same thing. Assuming that simply because you can’t imagine a story where not everyone dies, that Dave Filoni can’t either.
And when presented with possible outcomes that differ, you shun them as being stupid.
But how can you when you don’t know the context of the story?
I’m not saying it would automatically work, but I don’t prejudge nonexistent stories before I see them.
Your cute little story about Order 66 makes no sense because what the Empire thinks is a Jedi and what YODA considers a Jedi are two different things entirely.
My whole point is: we don’t know anything so to presume we do is a waste of time. I am quite happy to say I don’t know what will happen. When I dare point this out to others that they also don’t know, people get really hostile and disdainful and start using words they don’t even understand.
So enjoy your fantasies. We will see what happens. Have a good one.
Ugh. It yet speaks. So draining. Honey, is that you? (pardon the marriage joke…)
“And when presented with possible outcomes that differ, you shun them as being stupid. But how can you when you don’t know the context of the story?”
Well, because, stuff like this (Think: Time travel, or the ‘Mirror, Mirror’ universe in Star Trek) become tedious plot crutches that are patently unrewarding & unsophisticated (to say nothing of a continuity nightmare)
(Hey, maybe they can get time travel, go back and save the Jedi from Order 66! *cackle* Does evil-universe Obi-wan walk around clean-shaven instead of goateed?)
If Vader doesn’t kill Kanan, then The last 2-3 minutes of Rogue One (where our Dark Lord COMPLETELY f***s some shit UP for a lot of Rebels) are rendered null & void. There’s only so many escapes, etc. you get (Ahsoka from Vader, the Rebels from Thrawn) before it all gets irrevocably defanged / de-legitimized…
And (as hard as this clearly is for you to accept), sometimes, a cigar in the Star Wars Universe is just a cigar: Meaning, the galaxy by the original trilogy simply CANNOT be awash w/ ex / recovering / disavowed / lapsed / casual “JEDI”. Else, Yoda’s a clueless dolt, who needlessly sat out the Rebellion, when he could’ve corralled the (apparently significant in YOUR worldview) remnant of his defunct Order into some kind of fighting force to take down the Empire
“Well, because, stuff like this (Think: Time travel, or the ‘Mirror, Mirror’ universe in Star Trek) become tedious plot crutches that are patently unrewarding & unsophisticated (to say nothing of a continuity nightmare)
(Hey, maybe they can get time travel, go back and save the Jedi from Order 66! *cackle* Does evil-universe Obi-wan walk around clean-shaven instead of goateed?)”
So because you can’t think of anything better than that, then no one else can? Ok, makes sense. Maybe that’s why you aren’t making movies and others are.
“If Vader doesn’t kill Kanan, then The last 2-3 minutes of Rogue One (where our Dark Lord COMPLETELY f***s some shit UP for a lot of Rebels) are rendered null & void. There’s only so many escapes, etc. you get (Ahsoka from Vader, the Rebels from Thrawn) before it all gets irrevocably defanged / de-legitimized…”
Who’s to say they even meet up again? Why does Vader have to kill Kanan except because you want it?
The only person who has trouble accepting things here is you. I think the storygroup has a handle on this and can manage to do it without destroying what Yoda said and probably do it in a way that our pitiful minds haven’t thought of.
And just by stating this: “he could’ve corralled the (apparently significant in YOUR worldview) remnant of his defunct Order into some kind of fighting force to take down the Empire.” shows that you completely miss the point of the entire saga.
It wasn’t Jedi that were needed to defeat the Sith. It was Luke and his compassion and faith that there was still good in Darth Vader, which brought him back from the dark side and was what brought victory. No other person, Jedi or not, could have done what Luke did.
An army of Jedi would be missing the point and fighting the same battle that they already lost once before.
I’m not making movies because I’m an engineer, but I’m extremely well-read, and I know tiresome, repetitous plot constructs when I see them – especially in sci-fi / fantasy genre books / TV / comics, all of which run rife w/ derivative story elements (like time travel in franchises like Star Trek & The Terminator). I say Kanan & Vader are a very likely outcome, based on the observation that there’s simply no way Kanan’s hanging about the galaxy by the time of the original trilogy & Yoda’s deathbed statement to Luke on being last of the Jedi; Maul could do him in as well – he simply will cease to exist, one way or another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIrBMt4eiRk
I also don’t live life w/ a huge berk up me arse, laddie: The whole Jedi remnant fighting the Empire was me throwing out what YOU apparently miss when you give unlimited quantities of Jedi the ‘QUITSIES!!!” (jazz hands) card to play. As someone who saw Ep. IV in the 1st week of its release in 1977, I sorta understand ‘the point’ of Vader’s journey / redemption, which you alas, seem to lack. I’d recommend you read Joseph Campbell’s ‘The Power of Myth’, which features a narrative on Star Wars… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F7Wwew8X4Y
Kanan better be dead long before this battle. Hopefully Ezra, too, though I doubt they will kill him. Hopefully he never becomes a Jedi.
Rebels would be so sweet if they wrapped up all the Jedi/Force stuff and made it more like Rogue One.
Rebels is a show that is about all star wars stuff, similar to the saga movies but wiht the rebels as a main plot, and rogue one is a movie that is about war only, so hopefuly they will not make it more like rogue one.
It is a serie, they can focus in specific aspects in different episodes, so there is a big chance that some episodes will please you.
AcTually RO is not a movie all about war only.
And there have been episodes of rebels i have enjoyed, but the series as a whole is seriously polluting the canon.
If you take star wars and divide the general themes war/politics/jedi-sith (that includes, family, love, ships/ etc.) but lets focus on the general parts, RO just cuts the jedi-sith part. lets clarify then, RO is war/politics.
And how thiee show is polluting the canon? I think it enriches it.
Star wars is much more than politics and war, a this show is clearly about star wars as full , RO clearly is not. That doesnt mean one is better that the other, simply the focus in each its clear.
maybe in the future the will make a show that is just about the rebeles, who knows…
RO has a ton of stuff to say about the Force. I was actually surprised it wasn’t as much of a “war” movie as I expected.
The show pollutes the canon because of all the Jedi running around that close to ANH/RO.
Yes, RO is better than Rebels… not because they are about different things, but because it is just better made/written with better story and characters. Rebels doesn’t seem to know what it wants to be, and lately has been all over the place.
I think you don’t see the point of a TV series and a movie, its very diferent how you tell a story in a movie and how you tell it in a espisodic show. I see that clearly when you say RO is better than Rebels.
( Did you saw the clone wars? like in Rebels, some episodes desn’t even mention the force, or war in ohers, they have time to go deep in some areas, because of the format, there is more time, in a movie you have 2 hours to tell one specific story. )
The movie only mentions the force, and the show digs in that topic, that’s one big difference, and as far as I can see, this is what you don’t like, you want a show were they only mentions the force, like in the movie, as background and not as part of the main plot.
That’s completely fine, but maybe Rebels is not the show you are looking for, that doesn’t make the show bad, or maybe what bothers you is that the show is called rebels but have jedi and darkside in it, not just rebels.