UPDATE! J.J. Abrams Reveals 2 Shots Which Were Added Later to the Iconic Duel at the End of The Force Awakens and More on Finn and Rey

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One of the best new features from the upcoming relase of The Force Awakens four-disc 3D collector’s edition Blu-ray, is definitely J.J. Abrams’ audio commentary. To give you a taste of what to expect from the highly anticipated release on November 15, Yahoo Movies posted new exclusive clip from the Blu-ray. Check it out…



In the clip below J.J. Abrams reveals some interesting details about the climatic lightsaber duel between Kylo Ren and Rey in the woods of Starkiller base. Surprisingly one of the shots was actually suggested by Selma director Ava DuVernay.


From Yahoo:


“I showed an early cut to my friend Ava DuVernay, and she had a bunch of great suggestions. One of them was she really wanted to see Daisy, in her attack on Ren, have one really cool moment,” says Abrams before pointing out a closeup of Ridley about to deliver a decisive blow to her rival.

“Boom! It’s a little thing but it really connects you to her intensity.”


Rey's Awakening


Yahoo also revealed that the addition of this brief shot happened during the eight-week hiatus that happened during principal photography due to Harrison Ford’s injury. Another addition to that sequence (this time due to reshoots) was the moment when Rey taps into the Force, before she counter attacks and almost kills Ren.


Abrams explains that the the original cut didn’t have the extended moment of self-reflection. But he decided he needed to add a beat, where Rey would “take this moment of hearing the Force and thinking about what Maz had told her about closing her eyes and letting it in. And so she has this incredibly internal moment that is extended in movie time where she basically feels it, accepts it, and is now ready to kick his ass.”




If you are using a mobile phone, you can watch the clip here: Yahoo






Also IGN posted another clip from the special features of the 3D Blu-ray, where J.J. Abrams reveals what was the initial plan for the scene where Finn and Rey meet each other for the first time.





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139 thoughts on “UPDATE! J.J. Abrams Reveals 2 Shots Which Were Added Later to the Iconic Duel at the End of The Force Awakens and More on Finn and Rey

  • October 19, 2016 at 6:14 pm

    Lol. ‘Iconic’.

    • October 19, 2016 at 6:26 pm

      Was going make the same comment

    • October 19, 2016 at 8:23 pm

      Seems accurate.

  • October 19, 2016 at 7:06 pm

    WHAT FORCE AWAKENS DID RESHOOTS?! The movie sucks now. I liked it before, but now it sucks. Reshoots. Amateurs.

    • October 19, 2016 at 7:08 pm

      Added shots is not the same as a “reshoot.”

      • October 19, 2016 at 7:09 pm

        1) It said “reshoots” in the article.
        2) I was joking.

      • October 19, 2016 at 9:39 pm

        TFA had reshoots as any other movie. They were not “just adding shots”.

  • October 19, 2016 at 7:31 pm

    A Jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense never for attack…

    • October 19, 2016 at 8:22 pm

      And she was being attacked, thus defended herself.

      • October 19, 2016 at 8:42 pm

        “and is now ready to kick his ass.” Doesnt sound like defense to me….

        • October 19, 2016 at 9:46 pm


          They were running away from everyone when this guy attacks them, has critically injured her friend and is trying to kill them both.
          What exactly would your idea of “defense” consist of? Asking if he wants to build a snowman? Kylo Ren is trying to kill her, has already subjected her to mental torture after kidnapping her and she is fighting back. That’s pretty much defense right there.

          She didn’t seek him out. She was attacked, fought back. If someone throws a punch at me and I am “now ready to kick their ass”, that’s still defense. I didn’t start the fight.

          • October 19, 2016 at 11:31 pm

            Kylo Ren is trying to kill her????

            You need a teacher, a proper teacher!

            Thats really sounds he is trying to kill her……..

          • October 19, 2016 at 11:54 pm

            Yeah, at that point, after swinging a lightsaber at her head a few dozen times, he reaches out. Until then, he was trying to kill or at least capture her.

            So let me clarify: if he was just trying to capture her or maybe maim her, should she not have fought back in defense?

        • October 20, 2016 at 5:16 pm

          Ask Yoda at 880 years old about that quote……..better yet, ask Count Dooku.

    • October 19, 2016 at 8:44 pm

      Rey is not a Jedi. She has not been trained in the Jedi ways or ideals. I think she taps into the dark side during this fight.

      • October 19, 2016 at 8:47 pm

        You could be right. Her anger makes her powerfull.

  • October 19, 2016 at 8:16 pm

    Just shows you JJ doesn’t understand Star Wars or the Force. This is confirmation of the criticisms I wrote about on Coffee with Kenobi when the movie was released.

    • October 19, 2016 at 8:17 pm

      could you link it?

        • October 19, 2016 at 8:40 pm

          I agree with some of your points but I also disagree with some of them :p You’re too harsh on Rey’s agressiveness I think. She has not been educated in the jedi way by anyone therefore she can not try to uphold the ideals of non agression. I think her face shows anger during the last part of the duel and calls back to Anakin/vader in Ep 3 She could have killed him before the ground split but she decides not to do it therefore she does what Luke does in episode 6 and lets her enemy live. Remember that Anakin also attacked dooku first or that Obi Wan went full agression on Darth Maul, more trained jedi make the same mistakes (even iif in these cases the movie shows it is a disadvantage). Finn ‘beating’ kylo is exagerated. He gets in 1 lucky hit because Kylo is being cocky and after that kylo just owns him. Anyhow I like reading those opinions! Discussing Star Wars is one of the most fun things to do :3

          • October 19, 2016 at 9:51 pm

            Yeah, Kylo was toying with Finn and it was his arrogance that led to that lucky hit. After that, Kylo got serious and Finn got owned.

          • October 19, 2016 at 10:58 pm

            Agreed. Jedi are not INVINCIBLE —- hell they sometimes even get killed by Clone Troopers according to the Prequels. It’s realistic that Finn could get in “one good hit” before Kylo’s dark side rage kicked in and he OWNED Finn with ease.

          • October 20, 2016 at 3:56 am

            Re: ” Kylo was toying with Finn ”
            Agree, I think that it was a bit reminiscent of Vader mostly toying w/Luke in Empire. Once Luke/Finn scored a lucky hit, their angered opponent put a stop to the fight very decisively.

        • October 19, 2016 at 9:51 pm

          You know what other movie doesn’t have much of a story or plot and is just kind of a series of scenes?

          The Empire Strikes Back.

          What is the story? Luke trains to be a Jedi while Vader chases Han and Leia until it’s time for a lightsaber fight at the end.

          And it’s awesome. It’s the best SW movie and one of the best overall ever. Because of the characters and the scenes. The actual story of the movie is flimsy in the traditional sense, but it works.

          Just like The Force Awakens.

        • October 19, 2016 at 10:25 pm

          It’s funny how a movie that I’m told is a shot for shot remake of “A New Hope” now has “no story”.
          This is the underlying flaw with nearly every criticism of TFA. And I see it over and over again. They need to have it both ways in order to pull it off.

          • October 20, 2016 at 12:36 am

            Or you mean how basically all the very vocal critics have done is that they keep moving the goalposts in order to try to convince us all that we are idiots when in reality all you had to do was say:

            I didnt like the movie, didnt really work for me.

    • October 19, 2016 at 8:22 pm

      That makes no sense. You could literally say that about anyone if you look at their UNFINISHED work. You have to take into account what’s actually there.

      And judging from the worldwide reaction, your opinion is in the vast minority. I think JJ gets Star Wars quite well.

      • October 19, 2016 at 9:45 pm

        And if you like that appeal to popularity, audiences liked Star Trek 2009 and Into Darkness made a shit-ton of cash, therefore Abrams ‘gets’ Star Trek too!

        • October 19, 2016 at 9:49 pm

          Audiences did like Star Trek 2009. That much is pretty universally known.

          And notice what I said, please; “world-wide REACTION”. I said nothing about popularity or amount of money made. Because those things are not indicative of quality.

          But judging from the widespread positive reactions to TFA, I think it’s safe to say most people think he got it right.

          • October 20, 2016 at 12:31 am

            I might also add that the complaints for the star trek films (save for into darkness, i think criticism on that one is warrented) you could attach that supposed fanboy ire to every marvel film, every christopher nolan film, pretty much anything that breaks 1 billion.

        • October 19, 2016 at 10:41 pm

          Those movies were critically acclaimed, and so was The Force Awakens. Obviously the films were more than financial successes, they were seen as well-made films by a lot of people. Fanboys are going to complain about everything as they always do, and remain the least capable audience to please.

          • October 20, 2016 at 12:52 am

            Plus. Just what the heck was anyone doing with star trek anyway? I honestly couldnt keep a straight face and say that both nemesis and enterprise were far better entries in the series than J.J.’s reboot.

        • October 20, 2016 at 12:14 am

          JJ had one mandate from paramount: make trek more accessible to the main theater going audiences. and he succeeded.

          • October 20, 2016 at 12:49 am

            I might also add that all of the vitriol the new series has had up until this point is because of into darkness. While therr were some hardcore fans that vocally expressed their dislike, yhe numbers weren’t quite as big until Into Darkness.

          • October 20, 2016 at 1:06 am

            Exactly. The reboot was fun and had the spirit of classic trek. I’m still not sure exactly what they were shooting for with into darkness.

      • October 19, 2016 at 10:57 pm

        You have to admit..Rey being able to use a Jedi mind trick (which is not an easy thing to do) and beating someone who is skilled in the force in a duel simply because she “let the force in” doesn’t make much sense, and in my opinion, sort of takes away the aspect of having to train and earn the strength the force grants. To me having Rey be that skillful and winning said duel was the equivalent of say having Luke (in ANH) a simple moister farmer, going up against Vader and winning simply because he “let the force in.” https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dbcb220beb38813c2ec34b4bab577e7cc64475da04a34da5d59b0610df96bed0.gif

        • October 19, 2016 at 11:15 pm

          To me having Rey be that skillful and winning said duel was the equivalent of say having Luke (in ANH) a simple moister farmer, going up against Vader and winning simply because he “let the force in.”

          No, but Luke let the Force in and destroyed the DS or a 10yr old boy that can win a podrace that no human has won or maneuver a damage fighter through the interior of a starship.

          Rey was already skillful with a weapon, why couldn’t the Force enhance her abilities like it did with the young Skywalkers?

          • October 19, 2016 at 11:25 pm

            Well because it has been stated the the force can give an individual a sense of the future and guidance. The force is the only reason why Anakin was the only human to participate in a podrace and survive. And the guidance of the force gave him enough instinct to survive separatist gun fire in the space battle (he is also the chosen one). Luke, like his father had experience with flying before and was able to shoot wamprats for target practice which are very small in comparison to the exhaust port on the DS, all this presumably with the aid of the force. Neither Anakin or Luke were born with the skills of an already trained Jedi, and neither would be able to hold their own in a duel with a Jedi weapon. This was something they trained and earned. Fending off other scavengers and criminals with a stick is not the same as holding a weapon Jedi and Sith train endlessly to weild while fighting someone who’s experienced with the art.

          • October 20, 2016 at 12:03 am

            Ah, but Luke was also able to reflect blaster shots from the remote on his first training session.

            Kylo, was not a master, he didn’t even finish his training yet. Rey overpowered him with the guidance of the Force because she is stronger with the Force. She probably danced with the darkside at that moment too just like Luke did with Vader in RotJ and Luke was no where near Vaders skill and yet he manage to overpower him.

          • October 20, 2016 at 12:11 am

            Him reflecting blaster bolts (under the guidance of Obi Wan) still applies to what I had said about the force giving an individual a sense of the future and instincts. That’s basic. Kylo is not a master yes, but he knows his way enough to slaughter a whole Jedi temple. And Luke danced with the dark side yes, but with yoda’s training he knew what the dark side was and to resist the temptation. How does Rey know how to do such a thing? If anything the dark side can just be (to her) the “force calling..” so how did she know not to embrace it? And in ROTJ, Vader was old..and Luke was a fully established Knight..I think he was stronger than his father at that point. The emperor saw it.

          • October 20, 2016 at 12:50 am

            Whatever you think may be the rules of theForce, the canon continues to evolve beyond what was established in the OT, first with midiclorians, and most recently in the comics, television shows and films. Relax and enjoy. Star Wars worldbuilding won’t stand up to Tolkien levels of scrutiny no matter how much you hope it will.

          • October 20, 2016 at 12:59 am

            Oh no..anything Tolkien is a whole other level lmao. Don’t get me wrong..I’m enjoying the new content..but to me it still has its flaws that could’ve easily been avoided if they went a different route for the ST. Starting with a newbie again to me wasn’t a very good idea simply because it raises these questions.

          • October 20, 2016 at 8:41 am

            Man, I simply believe there is force bond between Kylo and Rey (remembering the Theory Revan and Bastilla). About the lightsaber duel, I don´t know, I have some sense that Kylo (yet wounded and weak) didn´t give his ultimate efforts against Rey for an obscured motive. I don´t know, I´m inclined to say he knows her. “From a certain point of view”.

          • October 20, 2016 at 8:43 am

            Man, I simply believe there is force bond between Kylo and Rey
            (remembering the Theory Revan and Bastilla). About the lightsaber duel, I
            don´t know, I have some sense that Kylo (yet wounded and weak) didn´t
            give his ultimate efforts against Rey for an obscured motive. I don´t
            know, I´m inclined to say he knows her. “From a certain point of view”…

          • October 20, 2016 at 8:44 am

            Man, I simply believe there is force bond between Kylo and Rey (remembering the Theory Revan and Bastilla). About the lightsaber duel, I don´t know, I have some sense that Kylo (yet wounded and weak) didn´t give his ultimate efforts against Rey for an obscured motive. I don´t know, I´m inclined to say he knows her. “From a certain point of view”.

          • October 20, 2016 at 8:52 am

            Oh yea I got that vibe from the duel as well..and I’m also certain he knows who she is..why else would he have been surprised and angry that a random girl helped Finn and BB-8 escape Jakku. As soon as he said “WHAT GIRL?!” I was like yup he knows her lol.

          • October 20, 2016 at 1:50 pm

            Tolkien is almost a completely different genre. His world building is IMO the standard by which all others are judged. Man, I am remembering reading those books and watching those three LOTR movies in theaters….. I get goosebumps just thinking of it….kinda want to skip work and 12hr marathon them today.

          • October 20, 2016 at 4:59 pm

            You said: “Well because it has been stated the the force can give an individual a
            sense of the future and guidance. The force is the only reason why
            Anakin was the only human to participate in a podrace and survive.”

            But he has no training in the Force, just like Rey. She was a proficient fighter to begin with so why couldn’t that be the same for her? I don’t think Kylo is a great fighter. He hasn’t shown it. He has greater Force abilities (Force throw, Force freeze, etc.) and that’s how he was able to capture Rey to begin with, but his swordsmanship skill are questionable.

            And do we know for sure that Kylo slaughtered Luke’s academy? All I remember is that Han said a student slaughter them all. It’s been implied its him but do we know for sure?

          • October 20, 2016 at 5:31 pm

            Right, but flying or racing isn’t the same as fighting with a lightsaber. I haven’t been opposed to the idea that Rey, a girl who presumably has never flown a ship in her life was able to fly the Falcon like a pro..that I can live with because it’s been done before with Anakin/Luke. And though Ben slaughtering Luke’s Jedi wasn’t explicitly said, it was heavily implied simply because Han mentioned that one boy turned against him and destroyed it all..the only boy Luke took in was Ben.

          • October 20, 2016 at 9:16 pm

            Lightsabers are only a weapon. You don’t need to be a Jedi or Sith to use one. Don’t forget General Grevious wasn’t a Force user and he could still use them. Its basically a tool to fight with as a ship is a tool to fly. If she already knew how to fight with a staff (not too different than a sword – parry/strike/jab) I don’t see the difference.

            So if Kylo was the only boy, what did he destroy/slaughter? Were the only other students female and aliens?

            Good conversation btw 🙂

          • October 20, 2016 at 12:46 am

            I dont know. I guess i just find it hard to accept certain things be more concrete when it comes to her affinity for the force when this is the same series that had Luke and Han know where the main control room was to the Death Star, even though both men had absolutely no knowledge of where it might be, seeing as how they both looked surprised when they bumped into it on the way to Alderraan.

          • October 22, 2016 at 5:20 pm

            …wait, wasn’t Luke going up against Vader at that point!?

        • October 19, 2016 at 11:57 pm

          I don’t have t admit that b/c I don’t see it that way.

          There is a reason Rey was able to use The Force like that, we just don’t know what it is yet.

          And she beat Kylo after he was shot by Chewie’s bow (which sent troopers FLYING remember?) and after he was hit by Finn. I don’t see any issue with it. She already showed she knows how to fight and Kylo’s training itself is not complete.

          They covered their bases and it makes sense to me.

          • October 19, 2016 at 11:59 pm

            Yup..we don’t have enough information..we don’t know who she is..and where she came from..but unless she’s the embodiment of the force itself..then my opinion stilll stands..but I do hope you are right.

          • October 20, 2016 at 12:03 am

            “but unless she’s the embodiment of the force itself”

            See, that’s a dangerous caveat to put on it. There are lots of answers that have nothing to do with that theory. Just wait and see! We will find out. If not, I will be angry too!

          • October 20, 2016 at 3:50 am

            Re: “We will find out. If not, I will be angry too!”
            I just don’t feel as comfortable with:
            “Wow, that was pretty stupid & unbelievable…but in a few years some new information may retroactively change my mind & I’ll feel good about it.”

            There’s nothing in the movie that allows us to believe an untrained Rey could do what she did.
            *Hope* for some future movie story element doesn’t change that.

          • October 20, 2016 at 4:06 am

            It’s the first in a trilogy and there are CLEARLY questions about Rey’s past. I am content to wait.

          • October 20, 2016 at 12:09 am

            all that being true its still hard to accept the abruptness of it. and kylo’s training not being complete is a bit bs. he’s been trained by first luke and then snoke for most of his life. even if its not finished he still should be miles ahead of rey.

          • October 20, 2016 at 12:37 am

            Snoke himself said he needs to complete his training. We have to go by what’s in the movie.

            I’ve argued this for a year. Agree to disagree.

          • October 20, 2016 at 1:02 am

            I know what snoke said. But ren showed himself to be immensely powerful in the force and then got schooled out of no nowhere. Adding in lines to try and nerf him doesn’t make it any less jarring.

          • October 20, 2016 at 2:46 am

            By adding in lines, you mean adding in context and explanation.

            But sure. Let’s just wait and see. Not arguing this for another year.

          • October 20, 2016 at 2:59 am

            very well, consider it tabled.

          • October 20, 2016 at 5:34 am

            Because his training was complete in terms of the dark side..doesn’t mean his training as a Jedi wasn’t completed..again more questions!!!!! Lol

          • October 20, 2016 at 3:19 pm

            It’s vague, to be sure. He doesn’t says specifically in the dark side and we don’t know if his training as a Jedi was completed.

          • October 20, 2016 at 3:48 am

            Re: “he’s been trained by first luke”
            Exactly – Kylo was trained, according to the hints in the books & timeline established, for quite a LONG TIME with Luke frigging Skywalker.

            And Rey was NOT TRAINED.

            Luke had apparently completed his training, at least he was not trained any further by Yoda when he returned & was told – “Your training is complete” in MUCH LESS TIME than Kylo spent with Luke….and Luke was 1st toyed with by Vader & then when he scored a hit & pissed him off – was immediately defeated.
            I really had a tough time with Rey’s insta-Jedi just-add-moment-of-eyes-closed metamorphosis.

            Note: Yes, we can imagine that perhaps she did receive *some* minimal training – & somehow forgot/memory wiped …but even then, she was VERY young when dropped off & can’t imagine any hardcore Jedi/lightsaber training had been mastered to adult Kylo’s level.

            Rey – without training beating Kylo as soundly as she did was just too unbelievable.

          • October 20, 2016 at 3:54 am

            ^^this. couldn’t have said it better.

          • October 20, 2016 at 12:43 am

            Thank you! I’ve been tilting at this particular windmill for awhile. IF the later films don’t address Rey the Insta-jedi, sure, valid criticism. Otherwise, wait and see.

          • October 20, 2016 at 12:44 am

            It’s still possible that Rey was taught some Jedi lessons by her parents who were Lukes students. They drop her off on Jakku while they go off to battle kylo and get killed, hence never coming back.

          • October 20, 2016 at 12:54 am

            There are many possible answers!

          • October 20, 2016 at 3:40 am

            Re: “possible that Rey was taught some Jedi lessons by her parents who were Lukes students. ”
            The only way I can imagine Rey being as powerful as she is, is NOT her parents being Luke’s students…but one of her PARENTS being Luke.

        • October 20, 2016 at 5:47 pm

          It ties in nicely to our own world’s theological concept of “becoming like a child”. Maybe the hardest part about using the Force is letting go of your own will and aligning your will with the Force. Rey was able to do that.

      • October 20, 2016 at 2:31 pm

        posted in the wrong spot. tehehehe

        • October 20, 2016 at 3:19 pm

          No, I didn’t. I posted directly to Daniel Noa. It says so. tehhehehe

          • October 21, 2016 at 2:21 pm

            I was saying that I posted on the wrong spot, hence the “tehehe”.
            If I thought you were posting in the wrong spot I definitely would have used a “ha-ha”.

            BTW, is there a way to delete my own post. I can’t find it.

          • October 21, 2016 at 3:09 pm

            Oh, my bad haha.

            I think the little drop down arrow at the upper right of your post?

          • October 21, 2016 at 4:52 pm

            Cool, thanks. I never even noticed that arrow was there.

    • October 19, 2016 at 10:02 pm

      Yes, I’m certain a lifelong Star Wars fanboy doesn’t understand Star Wars or the Force. That makes perfect sense.
      We should have just left George to make his “more spiritual” sequel trilogy–Oh, wait..

  • October 19, 2016 at 8:22 pm

    Meh, I thought the shot with Rey pacing and have that anger look on her face was a throwback to Anakin in episode III on mustafar, but Abrams doesn’t mention it at all. Must not have been on purpose 🙁

    • October 19, 2016 at 9:16 pm

      pretty sure abrams didn’t have anything prequels related in mind when making the movie. whatever connections people see are purely coincidental.

      • October 19, 2016 at 10:53 pm

        Right – the new Star Wars films are being made with the OT as the standard, not the reviled Prequels. Hell the TRAILER for Rogue One is better than the entire Prequel Trilogy

        • October 20, 2016 at 2:58 am

          Didn’t you like the prequels Kent?

  • October 19, 2016 at 9:31 pm

    It was a great call. The movie needed it.

  • October 19, 2016 at 9:40 pm

    Let the hate flow through you.

  • October 19, 2016 at 10:06 pm

    Love the duel in the snowy forest and particularly that close up with the sabers reflected in their eyes. I do think they weren’t clear enough about the characters however: Why was Ben punching himself, for example (you can explain it, but the film does not). Goes for other sequences as well. My biggest question remains, how did Finn know Rey was taken to the base from Takodana? And, secondly, Why did Kylo bother to travel to the base everytime he had to call Snoke?

    • October 19, 2016 at 10:29 pm

      Why was Ben punching himself?

      He was drawing strength — or at least the illusion of strength — from the pain of his bowcaster wound. I thought the movie did an adequate job of nonverbally explaining this.

      • October 20, 2016 at 3:34 am

        Re: “from the pain of his bowcaster wound”
        Might also add anger – the pain, the fact that he was shot (/didn’t successfully defend himself), and beating the wound whipped up his anger.

      • October 20, 2016 at 3:26 pm

        I did state the film doesn’t explain it, not that you can’t answer the question 🙂

    • October 20, 2016 at 5:45 pm

      I like it when the movie doesn’t hold your hand and explain everything. I find exposition distracting and immersion-breaking.

  • October 19, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    But, but, she’s a woman! There’s no way she could counter the strength of Kylo Ren!” -whiny Internet fanboys

    • October 20, 2016 at 12:04 am

      *sigh* its more like, “how did an untrained desert scavenger best someone who has already demonstrated great proficiency with the force multiple times?”. i like rey but she went from zero to jedi knight at the drop of a hat.

      • October 20, 2016 at 12:09 am

        It’s because the “Force is Awakening.” lol

        • October 20, 2016 at 12:10 am

          its a shame the force didn’t awaken in time to save luke’s students. it must have over slept that day. 😉

          • October 20, 2016 at 8:58 am


          • October 20, 2016 at 5:42 pm

            I have a theory: What if balance in the Force is literal? In other words, when the Jedi are strong in numbers (PT era) the dark side of the Force begins to congregate either in numbers or in one person (Palpatine/Vader).

            Once the Jedi were wiped out, the Force began congregating again in one person (Luke) and after RotJ he began increasing the number of light-side users. This led the Dark side to congregate again in one user or group of users (Knights of Ren, Snoke, etc.).

            Now that the Jedi are pretty much wiped out again (we think), the light side of the Force is once again congregating in one person (Rey). Here’s the possible twist this time, maybe the dark side isn’t just present in a few people like the Sith. Maybe Snoke and Kylo have a whole army of dark-side users they’ve been training in the shadows.

            Palpatine kept his Force abilities under wraps and the Empire was only loosely tied to the Sith. But it failed in just 20 years. What if the First Order is “getting back to its roots” and more closely allying itself with the dark side of the Force? Recreating the Sith Empire or something like it.

            This would explain why Rey is so strong in the Force. She’s one of a handful of light-side users up against hundreds or thousands of dark side users. That’s just a theory anyway.

            My other thought is that maybe the reason she’s so strong in the Force is because she’s so ignorant of it. She doesn’t have her ego or pride getting in the way of the Force molding her will to its will. This ties into the theological concept in our own world of “becoming like a child” and submitting to God’s will.

      • October 20, 2016 at 12:40 am

        I don’t know why everyone thinks that this won’t have some explanation in subsequent films, though frankly that’s what scares me. I can swallow mindwipe and/or implanted memories, but please no reincarnation of Anakin or another Force baby.

        • October 20, 2016 at 12:55 am

          Oh I’m sure they’ll explain it but right now all we have is one movie and that’s what people are reacting to.

          • October 20, 2016 at 9:05 am

            But what if they don’t! What if she’s just a scavenger!! Gahhh I would be so mad at JJ if I was directing Episode 8..he left a mess of questions for the others to fix.

      • October 20, 2016 at 1:09 am

        She beat two thugs with no effort, she has been alone in a planet living by herself, and facing thugs and scavengers for almost 10 years… maybe she spent those 10 years playing tea with his dolls, theres no way she could learn how to defend herself in such an hostile envoriment…

        • October 20, 2016 at 1:15 am

          Just because I grew up on the mean streets of Detroit doesn’t mean I can beat up a navy seal.

          • October 20, 2016 at 1:25 am

            Nope but sure you can beat a man with a hole in his chest with severe hemorrhage and post traumatic syndrom after he kills his father who just had a fight and walked all the way to you location with this big hole in his chest.

            Yeah so unrealistic…

          • October 20, 2016 at 1:34 am


          • October 20, 2016 at 9:07 am

            He beat a trained storm trooper just fine…

          • October 20, 2016 at 5:08 pm

            That stormtrooper lost a battle with another stormtrooper earlier in the movie. Finn is good with a blaster and has a conscience, but that’s about it.

      • October 20, 2016 at 1:29 am

        The answer is simple. She was able to concentrate with the force, whereas Kylo Ren had lost his concentration. Her surprising embrace of the force threw him off his game.

        • October 20, 2016 at 1:35 am

          Or they wrote themselves into a corner. Either way.

          • October 20, 2016 at 4:47 am

            wrote themselves into a corner? This isn’t a TV show where the audience has seen something and now they can’t go back. WTF…

          • October 20, 2016 at 5:07 pm

            People like to prescribe their own rules to the Force like they run the story. (And the same people likely complain that OT purists don’t like midichlorians because “but they’re part of the story, blah blah”).

          • October 20, 2016 at 6:09 pm

            The Force is better when it is mysterious. And this is a mystery.

        • October 20, 2016 at 9:13 am

          This situation could have been simpler! That lightsaber should have landed on Luke’s hand..not Rey’s..Luke should have been the one to save the day.

          Kylo: “That weapon..it belongs to me!”
          Luke: “This is a weapon of a Jedi Knight. And you are no Jedi.”

          • October 20, 2016 at 9:22 pm

            And Luke suddenly appears.. how, exactly?? Deus ex machina? I thought we were supposed to be all scientific about things like this.. you know; hyperspace beams, explosions in space, gender differences.. but now Luke Skywalker appearing from a mystical portal with Dr. Strange is okay. ‘Both ways’…

  • October 20, 2016 at 2:22 am

    Do we have any info if this is being added to the itunes digital copy or if we have to buy the darn thing over again?

    • October 20, 2016 at 3:00 am

      i think it will be the latter unfortunately.

  • October 20, 2016 at 3:49 am

    Oh no!

    R E S H O O T S !!!!!!!!

  • October 20, 2016 at 6:48 am

    She lets the force in, and she’s ready to kick his ass. I 30-year-old Skywalker. That is so stupid.

    • October 20, 2016 at 5:03 pm

      Luke was petulant in that didn’t listen to what his master told him to do, which was to stay and learn, not run off and fight. Rey took advantage of Kylo’s insecurity about being under Snoke’s wing. She ‘let it in’, exactly what Luke didn’t get at that point in ESB:

      In Jedi Master Yoda’s words:
      “You will know know, when you are calm and at peace.”

      Yoda warned him before he left: “Remember your failure at the cave”

      Luke went and did exactly what he did in the cave, and it cost him. He brought a lightsaber and fear and anger to his confrontation with a Sith Lord, and he lost his arm. Simple as that.

    • October 20, 2016 at 5:32 pm

      I think Rey’s complete ignorance actually helped in this situation. She was able to be completely moldable by the force.

      • October 20, 2016 at 7:25 pm

        THIS!!! Somebody gets it!

        Zen: “empty your cup so that it may be filled”
        Bruce Lee: “You must shapeless, formless, like water”
        Yoda: “unlearn what you have learned”; “you will know, when you are calm and at peace”

        • October 20, 2016 at 11:58 pm

          To quote Mike Stoklassa: Its not a LITERAL training.

    • October 20, 2016 at 8:27 pm

      You’re right. That’s exactly what Luke should have done. How did Luke defeat the Emperor? Not by awesome lightsaber skills or force powers. He gave up. He trusted the Force. Only then was Vader able to feel the light side of the Force again and throw the Emperor into the reactor.

      • October 22, 2016 at 8:21 pm

        That’s…not what happens in that sequence at all. Not even a little. He makes a conscious decision not to kill his father, not to walk further down that path. He doesn’t open himself to the Force to save himself. The Force, similarly, has NOTHING to do with Vader’s decision either. He sees his son in agony, being tortured to death at the hands of this twisted, evil being – THAT’S what wakes up the last remaining little bit of Anakin and spurs him into action.

  • October 20, 2016 at 5:19 pm

    lol, this whole convo is:

    (1) Accepting that the Force is able to create a living being on its own.


    (2) Can’t instill abilities in an already able-bodied person.

    • October 20, 2016 at 7:00 pm

      Perfectly stated. They gotta have it both ways.

  • October 20, 2016 at 5:49 pm

    The Force is in control. This is how I interpret it as well.

  • October 20, 2016 at 10:23 pm

    And that brings us full circle to why they kept Luke until the last scene. As soon as he appears, you could care less about the new characters. Just like JJ concluded in reading the early drafts.

    • October 20, 2016 at 10:27 pm

      Cause it’s MOTHA FU*** LUKE SKYWAKAHHHHHH!!!!!!!

      • October 20, 2016 at 11:47 pm

        Lol.. Admiral Dux, I give you ‘gravitas’.

        • October 20, 2016 at 11:49 pm

          Did you just assume my gender?

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    • October 20, 2016 at 10:51 pm

      people love han solo just as much if not more than luke and he didn’t take anything away from the new characters.

      • October 20, 2016 at 11:24 pm

        I know, but there is still a difference: Han Solo was not the central character of the OT. That matters. Luke walks in, and it becomes his movie. It’s gravitas.

        • October 21, 2016 at 12:03 am

          well i think if anyone has ‘gravitas’ its han, i mean just look at how many grown men wept when they saw him in the trailer, but i know what you mean: luke is the most powerful hero. but i think you could do it where you can have your cake and eat it too.

          • October 21, 2016 at 2:04 am

            He does indeed have gravitas and they used that gravitas brilliantly to give ‘endorsement’ to Rey and Finn.

  • October 20, 2016 at 10:27 pm

    Greivous was to prove my point that a lightsaber is not that special that only Force users can use. It’s just a weapon.

    Bloodline was 6yr before TFA, so wouldn’t Kylo have been a man (23-24 yrs old)?

    It’s funny, I thought the traitor could be snoke too and Luke messed him up afterwards and that’s why he’s afraid of Luke coming back.

    Anyways, we can go on and on, we just have to wait and see. 🙂


    • October 20, 2016 at 10:30 pm

      Agreed!! Nice talkin to you..It’s good to debate every once in a while lol.

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