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Supreme Leader Snoke’s Height in The Force Awakens Revealed

Andy Serkis SnokePeople magazine continues with their “Countdown to The Force Awakens” articles from their upcoming issue exclusively dedicated to the new Star Wars movie. In their latest article they take a quick look at the villains from The Force Awakens. One particular piece of info is worth mentioning. The chief of creature and droid effects Neal Scanlan revealed what is Supreme Leader Snoke’s actual height in the movie.

 

This revelation is important since many people and sites were confused by Empire’s initial report on Snoke’s appearance, which resulted in people thinking that Snoke could be 25 feet tall. It sounds crazy, but many people believed that.

 

Now Neal Scanlan puts those rumors to rest (via People):

Andy Serkis, the master of CGI characters from Gollum to King Kong, plays the still-unseen Supreme Leader Snoke who has scenes with Kylo Ren. “All I can say is that I’m involved in it,” he has said. But Neal Scanlan, chief of creature and droid effects, told PEOPLE, “This character is much better executed as a CGI character. That’s just a practical reality when he’s 7-foot-something tall; he’s very, very thin.”

So yes, Snoke is not 25 feet tall but 7. Obviously he was standing on some kind of podium when he shot those scenes, hence the confusion.

 

Phasma

Another interesting excerpt from that story is Gwendoline Christie’s comment on her character Captain Phasma:

Gwendoline Christie, the towering knight in HBO’s Game of Thrones, is inside the chrome armor of Captain Phasma, commanding a legion of Stormtroopers for what’s left of the Empire, now called the First Order. “She is a Boba Fett-style character, striking and in command but not at the very forefront of the action always,” Christie says, comparing Phasma to the beloved bounty hunter from the original trilogy. “Other than that, all I can say is that she is badass.”

 

For the full article got to People

 

 

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  • Ahvi303

    So Supreme Leader Snoke is “very, very thin” and 7-foot-something tall? He is sounding a lot more like Plagueis, but who knows. He still could be a new character entirely.

    • A Seventh Doctor on Mars

      Yeah. I haven’t so much bought into the Plagueis theory, but… damn. That’s basically the Plagueis we know. Who knows? 10/11 days to go!

    • Matthew Williamson

      i hope he is new im so done with people being plagueis this and plagueis that i want something new we have seen the muns before this is suposed to be new

      • Ahvi303

        I’d be fine if Snoke is a new character, but a lot of descriptions seem to point to him being Plagueis including a piece of concept art that leaked a long while back.

    • OmegaPunch

      It sounds a lot like Plagueis, but Plagueis is dead, so I think Snoke might be the same race as Plagueis.

      • Ahvi303

        There are ways that Plagueis could’ve survived.

        • OmegaPunch

          Yeah I believe he could have done that, so you never know, but I hope that Snoke is a new character. Snoke might just be the same race as Plagueis.

          • TUD

            Yeah, that’s what I’m hoping.

          • Same race would be strange to me. If he’s the same race, it should be Snoke/Plagueis. Otherwise I want to so a completely new character.

      • TUD

        Of all the people in the galaxy to die, it was the dude who found out how to literally “cheat death”? Sounds a little too convenient to me…

  • Jerry Bay

    So he’s 7 foot and thin…you know who is is 7 feet (ish) and thin? The Muun. You know who was a Muun? Plagueis. Not saying Snoke is Plagueis but I’m not not saying, you know? lol

  • Elliot Fabiani

    Definitely sounds like plagueis, at least I hope, and maybe the last anthology movies will be about him and tell his story that’s why they havnt announced it yet !

    • TUD

      Hahaha, “last” anthology film. they will never end!!!

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  • Sean

    Wow. While I’d really like Snoke to be Plagueis (and would love to see Kristian Harloff be vindicated), I’ve seriously been doubting it lately, especially with Pablo Hidalgo hinting on Twitter the other day that Plagueis has nothing to do with TFA, but this really does sound like Plagueis! I still don’t think it will be him, but damn do I hope so! It would be a nice way to sorta complete the circle.

    • Thretosix

      We just may not know his Sith name until a future movie… If he isn’t named Plagueis in the first film it wouldn’t make Hidalgo a liar.

  • Darth Vedder

    I never believed Snoke would be 25 ft. tall. He doesn’t even have to be standing on a podium. He could easily appear in a large hologram. And I’m sure he’s NOT Plagueis either.

    • TUD

      Are you SURE? Do you KNOW? It seems to me that the possibility is open.

      • Darth Vedder

        Yes, I am sure, because I know what constitutes good story telling. You don’t have a character such as Palpatine come out as a total idiot by not making absolutely certain that he did kill his old master, especially if Plagueis did have the power to cheat death. And that’s only if Palpatine wasn’t lying through his teeth about Plagueis’ powers to tempt Anakin.

        • Dani Català

          “I know what constitutes good storytelling”. No, you don’t. If you did, you would understand that the name and story of such character was a planting that now pays off.

          http://thescriptlab.com/screenwriting/voice/connection/107-planting-and-payoff#

          • Darth Vedder

            Lol, if I didn’t know what constitutes good storytelling I wouldn’t get paid for what I do for a living ;)

            Anyone who keeps thinking that Palpatine told Anakin the truth about Plagueis is not only completely ignorant about what constitutes a good story. They’re even more gullible than Anakin himself, and that’s saying a lot.

            • Dani Català

              Then you are a screenwriter! So don’t you think it’s the greatest thing to happen to tie in both trilogies like that? i always thought that introducing Plagueis (who was around the whole PT) in a dialog scene was lame :P

              • Darth Vedder

                No, I’m not a screenwriter. There are many other ways to tell stories professionally. And no, I obviously don’t think this is the greatest way to tie all trilogies together, because:

                1. Again, if Plagueis had actually had the power to cheat death, Palpatine would’ve made ABSOLUTELY certain that his master couldn’t come back to seek vengeance.

                2. Plagueis would obviously have sought vengeance if he had been able to survive Palpatine’s betrayal through his alleged power to cheat death.

                3. Palpatine lied about Plagueis’ powers. No Sith would’ve been stupid enough to share their biggest secrets with their apprentices, just so those same apprentices could use that knowledge against their masters.

                All three trilogies are already linked forever through the story itself. If the events of the PT had never come to pass, there would’ve been no Empire, no Vader, no Rebellion and no Civil War. There’s no need for any more links between trilogies than that.

                • AuDiOsAnE

                  Agreed. Plus, having the main villain be Plagueis just feels like a way for Prequel fans to feel better about themselves, like their beloved trilogy gets to matter in future films.

                  • Darth Vedder

                    Well, they do matter, PT haters or lovers feelings for them notwithstanding. And besides, if Disney wanted to distance itself from the PT, the way many have claimed that they’re doing, they wouldn’t be using main themes and characters from the PT era in the new novels and in Rebels the way it’s being done as we speak.

                    • AuDiOsAnE

                      Why does the PT matter? The OT didn’t need it, and the ST is heavily focused on the OT, both in continuing its story and the way those films were made.

                      It feels like they’re cherry-picking some of the best PT Era elements to include in novels and Rebels.

                    • Darth Vedder

                      The sole reason why we all wanted to see the PT was because we all wished to know how Anakin had become Vader, how Palpatine had come to power, how the Jedi were defeated and the Republic overthrown, etc. Like it or hate it, the PT does matter simply because it is the backbone of the OT.

                    • AuDiOsAnE

                      “The sole reason why we all wanted to see the PT was because we all wished to know how Anakin had become Vader, how Palpatine had come to power, how the Jedi were defeated and the Republic overthrown, etc.”

                      That’s cool and all, but it’s still all backstory stuff that was summed up in the OT. The PT isn’t really necessary in the larger picture. We didn’t need it in order to understand the OT back in the day.

                  • So what you think makes for a BETTER story is that the whole time Plagueis and Palpatine were doing their respective things, there was this whole OTHER super-powerful evil Force lord out there that neither knew about, nor had any of the Jedi or other Force-sensitives heard about. This OTHER evil guy got into some sort of fight that left him physically decimated, but he didn’t die, and lives all the way through to the new timeline, which is decades later. THIS makes more storytelling sense? Explain to me how it’s easier to tell that backstory to an audience (without having to resort to a novel) than it is to say it’s the master of the Sith Lord from Episode 1?

                    Bollocks!

                    If I wasn’t convinced before, I just totally convinced myself now.

                    Snoke doesn’t even have to explain it himself. He can just BE himself. All Luke has to do is one simple line. “Snoke is really the Sith Lord who trained the Emperor. He escaped death using some dark Sith lore.”

                    End of story. That’s all any audience will need at the moment. Everything else can be revealed later.

                    To be clear, it’s been revealed that Snoke has been around a long time, and that someone powerful enough to hurt him really really badly did a number on him. Any theory has to include that info. I challenge you to do it without it being ten times more convoluted than making him Plagueis.

                    • AuDiOsAnE

                      The general audience doesn’t know crap about Plagueis. He was briefly mentioned in 1 Star Wars film. He would be just as new to them as a brand new character.

                      If Snoke was a brand new character, you’d introduce him like you would any other brand new character. How convoluted was Sidious’ story in the OT? It was pretty damn simple.

                      The only real reason fans want it to be Plagueis is so that they can “tie all the trilogies together” even though that’s already happened since it’s all Star Wars and TFA is Ep. VII.

    • Sean

      That was my theory too, that the 25-foot tall thing was a hologram. It probably still is. This doesn’t refute that.

  • TUD

    I was just on my way over here to report this news, lol. Now all those dunces that thought Plagueis would be 25 feet tall can stop talking…

  • I’m your huckleberry

    Sounding like another nod to ralph mcquarrie’s drawings.

    • TUD

      Ralph McQuarrie, the all-knowing God of concept art.

      • Davis

        The guy is a genious. When I first saw the concept art for episode IV, I imidiately realised why that movie was so good. Because one of the best professionals in the industry worked on it.

  • John DiLillo

    I cannot wait until this movie comes out in 11 days, forcing all of the Plagueis truthers to confront the truth: That Serkis is playing a new character, and the awful character of Darth Plagueis is relegated to the old EU.

    • Dani Català

      I noted your name. See you the 18th ;)

      • Kenny Ritchie

        Ha ha ha ha ha.

      • John DiLillo

        Come on guys, use your heads. How would they reveal that Snoke is Plagueis? He just says, “I am Darth Plagueis”, directly to camera? It makes absolutely no sense. It would satisfy a few die hard fans who managed to slave their way through a book about an evil banking alien, and everyone else would go “Who?” There is no way Disney does that. Please, get back to me on the 18th. By then, you’ll all be frantically rationalizing and claiming that Benicio Del Toro is Plagueis.

        • Darth Vedder

          Lol. Beautifully put. Couldn’t have said it better myself.

        • Peter Jackson

          It could be done well. He wouldn’t even need to say his name. He’d just need to reveal that Palpatine was his apprentice. That’s all. To hardcore fans, it would be a revelation that he’s Plagueis, to everyone else it would be “Whoa, this guy was puppeteering the EMPEROR?!”

          • Thretosix

            Bingo! :-)

    • Vader the White

      Plagueis isn’t EU. Remember, he was first mentioned in Revenge of the Sith.
      But his book is mostly non-canon. (In Tarkin, which is canon, elements from that book are mentioned, including that one droid of Plagueis)

      • Pinché Memo

        You are quite correct.

      • John DiLillo

        True. And he was briefly mentioned in Tarkin. But the vast majority of people seeing this film have no idea who he is. Disney is not using Plagueis in this movie. I would put good money on it.

        • Vader the White

          And the vast majority of non-fans didn’t remember the singular mention of the Clone Wars in the entirety of the original trilogy.
          Now, I agree with you. I really do. I highly doubt that Snoke is Plagueis. Especially since why did he not try to interfere with the plans of his murderer. And despite the fact that I actually like the book (unlike you, but to each their own), I don’t WANT Plagueis in the sequel trilogy. And Plagueis doesn’t gel with how the film is being presented, being about a new generation. I’m just playing Devil’s Advocate, which I have a tendency to do.

          • John DiLillo

            I don’t even really have a passionate opinion about Plagueis one way or the other, really. I thought his book was dull and difficult to get through, but my issue here is more that he is definitely not in the movie and very few people seem to be able to get past that simple fact.

            • Thretosix

              You say it like you’ve seen the movie already and read the script for Episode VIII. If he is DEFINITELY not in the movie, you must have misunderstood when JJ said Darth Vegas isn’t in the movie, was almost an acknowledgement that Plagueis is. You even hear the cast joke about the Plagueis rumors each time saying something for example Rey’s staff mentioning that it is not Plagueis’ staff. Made to sound like Plagueis isn’t in the movie, yet she is just saying that staff isn’t Plagueis’ staff. There are soo many signs that they are avoiding the obvious and the reason we have not seen him as we have not seen Luke. They want the movie to have some surprise. Plagueis would be a welcomed surprise.

        • I haven’t read the Plagueis EU book or the Tarkin Canon book, and I can promise you that it doesn’t matter. All you have to say is “Darth Sidious’s master didn’t die and because of reasons, he’s still around today and able to once again wreak havoc”, and I’m good. They don’t even have to reveal that in THIS movie. In this movie, he can simply be Snoke, and then VIII or IX, they can slowly seed in the Plagueis backstory. Making Snoke Plagueis ties all nine movies together in a tidy bow. You have ONE villain who’s been behind it all from the beginning, and it’s this Skywalker family who has thrown a monkey wrench into it nearly every step of the way.

          I think it’s a done deal.

          • This would be great.. I mean. We thought Vader was the ultimate villain. Then we learn Palpatine was the mastermind. Only to find Plagueis the wise was the real mastermind behind everything (including Anakin’s birth). This could all be tied with the Skywalker trilogies..

            • Jeff mendelson

              Absolutely, fjramos!! It would be totally freakin mind-blowing, but it almost seems too good to be true…. :(

      • Keithstone

        I guarantee they canonize the Darth Plagueis novel after this movie reveals Snoke is Plagueis. The only reason they didn’t from the outset is to throw people off about his reveal in Episode 7.

    • Pinché Memo

      Expect that the character, and many elements of his book are in fact, 100% canon. Care to try again?

      • John DiLillo

        Sigh. I’m not trying to start a fight, but you’re all so determined, and you’re all going to be disappointed. Yes, Luceno did use a few pieces of old EU in Tarkin, so yes, some of it is now partially canon. But the book itself is not. And I’m not going to argue about it anymore, because the movie comes out in less than two weeks and it will win this fight in a much more simple way.

        • Pinché Memo

          Never said that the book was canon man. I only said, in a much more succinct way, exactly what you just said.

          That said, the similarities to what we know of Plagueis so far, are very hard to deny. That’s the only point that people are trying to make here.

          • John DiLillo

            I think (and we’re all guilty of this) that the superfan community is reading into all of the official information a bit too deeply. Taking it at face value is what most of the casual fans are doing, and those are the people that Disney wants to see the movie. We’re already guaranteed to buy a ticket. We’ll see what happens.

            • Pinché Memo

              Perhaps, but speculation is what we have been doing since the days the old fanzines. Ultimately, it’s harmless fun.
              Besides, it’s not as if the casual fans even know “what a Plagueis is”, or have heard much of Snoke’s name even mentioned; news like this isn’t really meant for them, or ever read by them.
              It’s all in good fun. If the 10 or 12 uber-crazies out there want to get huffy puffy if their hopes and dreams are dashed by any of the revelations that await us in the film, then that’s their problem.

            • Darth Vedder

              Don’t forget about the fans of the SW films only, like yours truly. I know about Plagueis, because I’ve watched the films several times and that scene between Anakin and Palpatine in the opera house or theater is one of my favorites in the PT, hands down. But I don’t read SW books, be them EU, Legends, canon or whatever they’re called these days.

              I have absolutely no idea of what Plagueis looks like or anything else about the character. And obviously SW is never gonna be about adapting novels into films. The last thing I’d want is to be forced to buy a book (that frankly will be terrible fan-fiction, most surely) only to understand what’s going on in the film.

              This has never happened in any of the 6 previous films and I’m positive that Disney won’t change this anytime soon, because for as hard as this may be to believe for the SW superfan, between the casual moviegoer and the fans of the SW films only, they’re in the minority. And obviously Disney is interested in make the films appealing to a much larger audience, as you’ve wisely noted.

              • Thretosix

                I agree with this 100%. I’m glad I’m not the only one thinking… what is this guy talking about. He is the one in the minority.

            • Thretosix

              Disney wants everyone who grew up with the OT and PT to enjoy the movie, while introducing new things into the Star Wars universe. Mark Hamill said it best for the fans, everything old is new again. If JJ alienates PT people because of how some OT people feel, they will lose that base. This is the Star Wars for everyone to enjoy. Even those who loved or hated the PT. Plagueis is mostly down talked by people who either hate the fact that EU was axed, or people who hated the PT and wish it never existed. I think lot of hardcore fans that even disliked the prequels would find a place for Plagueis if it is indeed him. It would give the new Sith Lord credibility. Nobody wants to hear a story about how Snoke was around for all this time yet had no relevance to things that happened in the 6 previous movies then change everything we’ve known about the Star Wars universe. It would undermine Luke Skywalkers’ story where Plagueis only enhances it. It just makes too much sense. I can’t wait till we learn it really is Plagueis and get to see his dark underworld in future films. It would help expand thing for future movies to learn that there is more to the dark side and we would get to see it from Darth Sidious master’s view. I think a lot of the new narratives will tie into this underworld that would just make sense if this were the case. If you are looking for something entirely new, I suggest waiting until after the Skywalker Saga that is Episode I-IX. I personally believe that VIII and IX will jump start where Disney will take things and make new movies in the future. This movie at it’s core is still very much part of 9 movies. This won’t be I-VI, VII-IX. What you seem to be wanting is Episode X, or the equivalent of the original Star Trek and Star Trek the Next Generation, Voyager, or Deep Space 9 versions of Star Wars we will eventually see in the future.

      • Uncle Deadly

        Let me ask you:

        do you think Disney, which didn’t even want Lucas’s story for this, went back to the prequels for a character mentioned one time instead of creating something new?

        You really think Abrams and KASDAN (of all people) did that? You honestly think that?

        • Pinché Memo

          I don’t know. That’s why it’s called “speculation”. It’s all in good fun dude.

          And Plagueis was in The Clone Wars as well…so that’s twice, actually. ;)

          Besides, JJ, Kennedy and the lot have mentioned plenty of times that they had no issues with going back to the old EU to cherry pick elements that they thought were groovy, for future inclusion into the universe.

          Not saying you’re wrong flat out, but we never know. At least not yet. Even IF the character isn’t actually Plagueis in name, there is a very real possibility that the character of Snoke may very well be based upon his description in the EU.

          • teufler

            I dont think Plagueis ever appeared in The Clone Wars, are you referencing to his species ?

            • Pinché Memo

              Actually, you’re right. I was thinking of Darth Bane.

              My bad.

        • You’re seeming to forget that Disney paid for ALL of the Star Wars material, not just “the good stuff.” They want to make money off of all of it, and you don’t do that by abandoning the prequels. As we’ve seen with The Clone Wars show, it IS possible to redeem the prequels with some really good additional content that fills in the gaps or does a better job at explaining things than the prequel movies did.

          As we’ve already seen, they are going into the past for both of the announced Story films. I’m positive they’ll want to go back even farther. A Ewan McGregor Obi-Wan film could be great (now that it’s out of Lucas’s hands).
          And definitely a Plagueis movie with Young Sheev, would also be a must-make once you introduce Plagueis to the masses.

          We KNOW Palpatine had a master even if the films didn’t already explicitly say it. But they DID, and Palpatine mentioned him by name. Making Snoke Plagueis immediately renders the entire prequel trilogy relevant going forward, and allows them to retcon a lot of stuff with Secret Snoke in the background causing or influencing things. I still think Plagueis is going to be the ultimate “father” of Anakin. I think he did some sort of Force Spirit Transfer into Shmi where that somehow impregnated her (maybe he got his midichlorians all over her?) and he’s been lurking inside the Skywalker DNA for a few generations now, waiting to rebuild his strength to return.

          A new enemy would be nice, but if you can dive deep into the established lore and make the whole thing that much more enriched by establishing a throughline, so much the better.

          • That would be something if Plagueis tells Luke “I am your grandfather” or something along those lines. wow!

          • Uncle Deadly

            I forget nothing. but I highly doubt JJ went back to the prequels for a villain instead of making a new one himself.

            If anything, it would make Palpatine look weak. he didn’t even kill his master.

            The idea of him as a Force Spirit impregnating Shmi is worse than the midichlorians. No thanks.

        • Jeff mendelson

          Unfortunately, “Uncle”, I have to totally agree with you. As much as I would LOVE to have Snoke be Plagueis, it just doesn’t make sense, if you look at it through the eyes and mind of Kasden and JJ. They want to create something, sort of (Lol), “new”, and the last thing they’re going to want to do is to go back to the prequels (which they’re not using anyway) and take an idea from Lucas that was mentioned for all of 15 minutes….. :(

          Now, I DO think that its possible that Snoke is probably not even a real name anyway. Thats just a fake name that JJ threw “out there” to deceive and “Snoke” is probably some sort of an indirect off shoot of a Palpetine/Plagueis figure anyway.

    • John DiLillo

      Last word on this:
      “No, he’s a new character in this universe. It is very much a newly-introduced character,” Serkis says. “He’s aware of what’s gone on, in the respect that he has been around and is aware of prior events. I think it’d be fair to say that he is aware of the past to a great degree.”

      Here’s the source link: http://www.ew.com/article/2015/11/12/star-wars-andy-serkis-supreme-leader-snoke

      See you in 11 days, guys. I still love all of you. May the Force be with you.

      • Peter Jackson

        J.J. Abrams also said that Benedict Cumberbatch was playing John Harrison, “a new character”. Everyone knew it made sense for him to be Khan, and then it WAS Khan.

      • Thretosix

        Being a newly introduced character may be the fact we have never seen him. Mentioning him in the Tarkin novel and Revenge of the Sith does not mean he has been “introduced”. There are so many play on words used to avoid a big spoiler. If they don’t want you to know it is Plagueis, they will say whatever they can to avoid it without a lie.

    • Thretosix

      Plagueis is clearly canon in Revenge of the Sith not just in non-canon EU, his Hego Demask alter ego is likely canned, not Plagueis himself.. I can’t wait for the 18th. Can you handle the truth if it is Plagueis?

  • Helge Kåre Fauskanger

    I would love it if Snoke (silly name) is really Darth Plagueis (excellent name!)

    It would tie both the existing trilogies nicely together. The only antagonist that could logically be “worse” than Palpatine would be Palpatine’s own master.

    • Darth Vedder

      That would be if Palpatine’s master had actually been able to prevent his apprentice from becoming much more cunning and powerful than him.

    • What if Snoke is Darth Plagueis’ actual name? Darth Vader was named Anakin and Darth Sideous was Sheev.

      • Great point. The new canon made it a particular point to give Palpatine a first name. I think it’s specifically to reinforce the fact that your Darth name (or Ren name) isn’t usually you’re actual name.

      • But Hego Damask is so much better ;-;

    • Kicker2

      As if SW isn’t fully of “silly” names, OT included.

  • Jacob

    ITS NOT PLAGUEIS, IN AN INTERVIEW ANDY SERKIS SAID THE LOOK WAS CONSTANTLY CHANGING AND THAT ONLY MOTION CAP COULD PORTRAY IT. IF ITS CHANGING THEN IT CAN’T BE PLAGUEIS BECAUSE HIS LOOK IS ALREADY ESTABLISHED!!!

    • NYJD21

      Not in canon as of yet.

      • Hypebeast Hates Me.

        Yup. Plagueis is only canon by name. Maybe they went back and actually changed him into a Muun from the book.

        • Helge Kåre Fauskanger

          Also, there is the possibility that Plagueis has somehow been reborn since Palpatine “killed” him, which could (taking this to the extreme) mean that he has an altogether new body. It could even be a fearsome biomechanical construct of his own making, not necessarily resembling his original body.

          • Sam E

            Exactly this. Whilst the books are no longer canon, Darth Bane took over his apprentice’s body when he died. Something similar could have happened for Plagueis.

      • TUD

        Exactly.

  • Morris Maciver

    Sounds like Plagueis had a love-child with Raistlin Majere… Are his pupils hourglasses by any chance? ;-)

  • Jaxxon Action Figure

    Honestly I like the idea of him being Plagueis. Don’t love the prequels but this would be a nice way to tie the trilogies together without too much prequel influence.

    • TUD

      I agree. Plus, that could be why Kylo wants the staff.

      • Boudciarge

        You realize that the only moment we see the staff in the footage we have seen, is in the scene on Jakku. Every other place, Maz Kanata palace, forest scene, snow scene, no staff. It’s probably just a staff.

        • smr9

          Unless Kyle Ren retrieved it on jakku.

    • Thretosix

      I’m a big supporter of the PT. Mostly because of getting to see the story of Anakin. I guess I’m just glad to have more Star Wars. CGI and Jar Jar weren’t reasons I went to see the movies. It was to see more Star Wars. I wish people could look past the little things that really don’t matter in the end. When people say they really want to forget the prequels and forget them I think of all the good that was in the movies. The scene of Senator Palpatine explaining Plagueis was one of my favorite parts of the prequels. If anything carried over this would be the one thing that I think Star Wars fans would go nuts over. I think the biggest disconnect people will have is from the Darth Plagueis novel. It was intentionally not made cannon. A fresh slate would give Disney the power to shape the future of Star Wars. But Plagueis would be the most welcomed character due to the fact it would give credibility to his powers with little to no explanation. I’m still convinced if it is him, we won’t know until future episodes.

  • Petar Ramljak

    It is just confirmed,he is Plagueis :D

  • Ryan Jordan

    Whether Snoke is Plagueis or not, I just hope he’s scary, creepy and sinister for the audience and the films heroes. Most movies these days have terrible villians. I think the talent of Serkis and direction/writing of JJ could set up “Snoke” to put Sidious and even Vader to shame.

  • teufler

    Damn, this comment section is a warzone xD

    Well, i guess at least this confirms that snoke is not jar jar

  • Petar Ramljak

    It is also great to bring Plagueis to show respect for the prequels,and I think more people will respect prequels more because of that

    • Travis Moore

      I agree. It gives some credit to the prequels importance.

  • AuDiOsAnE

    Everyone’s saying it’s Plagueis, but people are forgetting all the new characters that are influenced by old ones:

    – Kylo Ren and Darth Vader
    – Rey and Luke
    – Captain Phasma and Boba Fett
    – General Hux and Grand Moff Tarkin
    – Poe Dameron and Wedge Antilles
    – Maz Kanata and Yoda
    etc.

    Maybe Andy Serkis’ character is inspired by Plagueis without being Plagueis.

    • Jeff mendelson

      Absolutely! I think this may be the closest thing to reality! I totally want Snoke to be Plagueis as much as ANYONE (and I think it would be freakin awesome if it happened), but I just have a hunch that it won’t be. Im sure that JJ and Kasden have, at least, SOME knowledge of the Prequels and of the EU, but I really don’t think they are referring nor basing their ideas on either all that much. Kasden already has said that they built TFA mostly from the foundation from ANH and ESB, and Disney has already discarded a large part of the EU anyway. Not to mention the fact that the only real mention of Plagueis from the Saga is from ROTS, which is a Lucas idea, and they probably want to get away from most of Lucas’ ideas as well. To be honest, I wouldn’t be completely shocked if Kasden doesn’t even know much about Plagueis to begin with. I think, at this point, they just want to create a fun, action packed movie with a good story and quality performances. As “AuDio” has just stated above, yes, I think its very possible, that, at the very least, they are creating a character that is very similar to Plagueis or the Emperor, but not exactly Plagueis, per se….

      HOWEVER, its also possible that “Snoke” is just a completely false name that JJ has put out there and he really IS Plagueis or someone else! We’ll know soon!! Can’t wait!!!! :))

  • MarquisdeSuave

    My bet: Snoke is Vader’s clone. Did not come out exactly perfect – face deformed.

    • Boudciarge

      7 feet tall, very slim, it could be an anorexic wookie!

  • Boudciarge

    Just a simple question to all the crazy Plagueis fan. Give me just one reason why Plagueis would work to restore the former glory of the Empire create and rule by the guy who betray and kill him?

    • Petar Ramljak

      He manipulated everyone,Sidious thought he killed him,but Plagueis just wanted that,so he can pull strings from behind. He waited for about 100 years to return more powerful than ever. What he wants,well if Snoke is Plagueis,we will find out in 10 days,that’s the beauty of speculation

      • Darth Vedder

        I know where your theory belongs: Fan Fiction sites. That’s about the only place where this idea of yours could make sense.

        • Boudciarge

          And when you read or listen to JJ Abraham interview, about the reason to bringing back Kazdam, it was to be sure to not writing a fan fiction.

        • Petar Ramljak

          Yea,You are probably right

        • Petar Ramljak

          Yea,You are probably right ( HA-HA)

      • Uncle Deadly

        He waited 100 years for the Empire to be at its weakest instead of overthrowing Palpatine once victory was secured.

        Brilliant.

        • Petar Ramljak

          Don’t forget what Sauron did in Lotr,he was defeated,but not really

          • Darth Vedder

            Oh, so let’s rip off The Lord of the Rings, now. What a brilliant idea! After all, it’s not as if anyone hasn’t ever done it before.

          • NYJD21

            Well he corporeal form was defeated. He needed the ring to truly be reborn.

        • Darth Vedder

          Exactly! Been saying it all along: the guy had to wait till the Empire was in mayhem instead of letting Palpatine do all of the hard work and then taking over when the Empire was at its height. Real smart thinking by Plagueis, lol.

        • teufler

          Although we dont know for sure how weak the empire/first order is right now. I mean, Starkiller base is a lot more powerful then the death star, which was pretty much the most powerfull thing the empire had.

          • Uncle Deadly

            How could he know that though? Wouldn’t he have been better of coming in when the Empire was in total control?

      • Boudciarge

        Great theory if you want to have an over complicated plot and cut the fun from the movie!!!

        • teufler

          Why over complicated ? Tricked Sidious into beliving he’s dead, let him do all the work for him, return afer he’s killed. Pretty easy to understand imo. Anyways, i dont understand all the people regeing out here… Can’t people just speculate ? The movie is coming out in a few days anyways

          • Darth Vedder

            Over complicated because only the folk who read the Plagueis novel are familiar with his story. And since they’re a very small minority of people who will watch this film, an explanation on Plagueis’ background and how he survived Palpatine’s betrayal would be necessary.

            • teufler

              Yeah but we dont need his entire backstory. Before the PT the emperor had also worked fine without us knowing where he came from. And there’s nothing that says that you couldn’t explain the bit about his relationship with palpatine in some scene. I mean, even if it’s a new character there’s probably at least one scene explaining some of snoke’s background and motivations. Just like the many scenes about Vader’s background in the OT.

              • Darth Vedder

                Actually, we don’t need Plagueis at all, not only his backstory. Either Palpatine was lying about Plagueis’ power to cheat death or he made absolutely certain that his master were truly dead before executing his plan.

                Think. You really believe that a Machiavellian mastermind such as Palpatine would have left any possibility open for his master to come back from the grave and endanger not only everything that he worked so hard to obtain, but his own life? That would only make one of the greatest villains in movie history look like a complete idiot.

              • Boudciarge

                The background of Palpatine and Vader was easy to make it flow through the story because they were new characters, it was the first time we eared of them, so it was easy for Ben Kenobi to explain to Luke and us the backstory of Anakin/Vader. But the Plagueis thing, most of the people souvenir of him, its about a fable of a guy who have been kill in is sleep by is apprentice a very long time ago. So you have a more complicated backstory to put In the movie, and to make it be part of the fun.

          • Boudciarge

            Personally, I think speculate is very fun, if it wasn’t, I will not be here to comment, but this plagueis thing, is much more an obsession, event when the people working on the movie bring information that beats up to the dirt that theory, there always someone to twist the info in a way to try to prove the fact that Snoke is Plagueis. Just the staff, their are so obsess with the staff that they do not realize that the only footage of Rey with the rod, is on Jakku, in all other image taken from other location, she don’t have the damned staff! We have a lot of information to prove that the Plagueis theory is just wrong. So is not speculation anymore, is blind obsession. But that said, I have a shit load of fun to read all this!

            • smr9

              You mean the staff that Kylo Ren went Jakku to retrieve for his MASTER? Which leads to Rey Finn and Han going after it. That staff?

      • Good explanation. I was thinking the same. He is Plagueis the wise. Probably steps ahead of everyone including Sidious.

      • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

        I don’t believe in this theory but he only waited about 50 at most if true.

  • Clone11038

    I want european measures

    • Helge Kåre Fauskanger

      You mean “just-about-anywhere-but-American” measures. Anyway, “seven feet” = 2 meters and 13 centimeters. Tall guy!

      • Clone11038

        Yeah I meant that. Wow… considering also that andy serkis is quite short…

  • Kicker2

    Plagueis is looking even more promising now.

    • SonOfConstantDiligence

      Also remember at the comic-con panel, when a fan asked if Snoke was Darth Plagueis and Lawrence was trying to be coy by saying “who?…… Darth Vegas?”

  • Alexander Muth

    I can’t remember where, but it said somewhere he is an alien we haven’t seen before. Didn’t we see a Muun (Plagueis’ specieas according to the EU) in AOTC? Also they never said what species plagueis was in the films, so he could easily be a different species to what he was in EU

    • Shamari

      In which scene did we see a Muun? Just wondering so I could find it, I heard that comment too so I’ve been searching for any scenes with Muuns in the movies

      • Doink

        Here is a Muun: San Hill from the Banking Clan, on Episode II (when all the separatists agree with Dooku’s plot, at Geonosis).
        If Snoke is an alien we haven’t seen before, we can clearly check Muuns off that list.

        • SonOfConstantDiligence

          Wow, that has aged pretty bad. Not the worst ever, but just….. yeah.

          • Helge Kåre Fauskanger

            The CGI aliens at the table with Dooku in that scene all look flat and unconvincing now. The graphics should be redone. But considering that Gollum from the LotR trilogy still holds up pretty well, some of the CGI work in Episode II was hardly state of the art even by 2002 standards.

        • Ahmaid Ahdoodi

          Imagine a defigured one of these with a real chip on his shoulder. Very, very creepy.

        • NYJD21

          ugh.

        • Shawn Forgey

          Lol this looks like it should have been in The Clone Wars TV show!

      • Alexander Muth

        I remember he was in one of the scenes with Dooku & his separatists

    • Dakit

      Everybody better hope it’s not a Rakata, from KotOR/SWTOR games. since they added Rakata Prime to the “Official” Galaxy Map. Well Rakata from KotOR would be fine…maybe, just not SWTOR (they need to let that game die).

      Of course seen before, does that mean ever or does that mean in all Star Wars cannon or EU…err, legends.

  • MaxboxOne

    Damn I was hoping for a giant Sith Lord. That would have been interesting. 7′ just seems kinda normal in the star wars universe. Vader was like 6’6 so it’s not that much taller. Wow a whole foot taller than standard humans soooo intimidating….pshhhh Screw plagues he’s boring and lame looking. I really hope it’s not him. Snoke sounds like snake I want a super evil reptilian sith master creature

    • Darth Vedder

      Sith are gone. These are the Knights of Ren.

      • They will be Snoke’s Renwraiths©.

        • Darth Vedder

          Haha, right!

      • MaxboxOne

        The Knights if ren could just be a different order of sith

        • Darth Vedder

          Vader and the Emperor were the last of the Sith. So no, the Knights of Ren are a different breed of darksiders. You’ll see ;)

    • teufler

      Yeah a Finn and Rey having a lightsaber fight against a giant sith lord at the end of episode 9 would be pretty cool xD

    • CosmicDolphin

      Snoke, Chewie, Phasma ..all staring each other eye to eye

    • Mark

      Kathleen Kennedy already confirmed that the film mentions the “Sith”. ;-)

  • Petar Ramljak

    If he is truly Plagueis,we can thank that for amazing scene in Opera House FROM THE PREQUELS!!!! :D

    • Helge Kåre Fauskanger

      Yes, even prequel haters seem to have a somewhat soft spot for that scene, or Ian McDiarmid’s scenes in general. He is probably the greatest actor that has appeared in the franchise (so great that he can even make lines written by George Lucas WORK, which is no small feat!)

      • Travis Moore

        HARRISON FORD.

        • Helge Kåre Fauskanger

          That would be the guy who told Lucas, “You can write this sh*it, but you can’t SAY it!”

          Yes, Ford is also among the very best actors to appear in the franchise, but the Han Solo character is so radically different from McDiarmid’s Palpatine that any direct comparison is meaningless.

    • Ahmaid Ahdoodi

      That scene was so good, it seemed truly out of place.

  • brian

    First I didn’t like the idea of Snoke being Plagueis but now I think it could be a really good connection with the PT and could make the story to be whole and complete. Althought I don’t think Disney would make this move, they completely ignore the PT as we know so far. But what I really could imagine is that the real, whole name of Snoke won’t be revealed in this film

  • CosmicDolphin

    Dammit…returns Muun stilt costume to shop

  • Derth Nadir

    “7-foot-something tall; he’s very, very thin.” So much for ending Plagueis talk.

    • phnxgrl

      Actually no it does not since Muuns are tall and thin. Plagueis is a Muun.

      • Hypebeast Hates Me.

        He was being sarcastic.

      • Darth Flatus 73

        I think that’s what he meant…

      • Derth Nadir

        Um. That’s what I was saying. It will keep it going because that can describe a Muun…

  • I still wonder about Shmi Skywalker and her family’s past. I mean she was the one with the Skywalker name right? Always wondered if there are other Skywalkers around in the Star Wars universe.

    That would make an interesting twist if Luke and Leia had extended family out there..

    • Hypebeast Hates Me.

      They died. I think her father was the last before her.

    • Mathew

      I never thought of that! I wonder if they’ll do a prequel trilogy to the prequel trilogy… Episode -3?

  • Kuner1

    Hollywood likes to use tall and thin for villains. It’s something that intimidates many people, because it’s associated with illness, but also with high intelligence (both tall and thin people socer higher iq averages than control groups).

    Still, to break the mold, I would love to see a small, unimposing villain once. A kind of dark yoda. Small, hard to hit and most importantly using his opponents overconfidence to his advantage. Something that only heroes do in movies.

    • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

      I’m 6’5 but I wouldn’t exactly say that NBA players have high IQ’s……

      • Kuner1

        There’s no way for me to even try to explain why the NBA IQ average would be lower than those of the groups they used for these studies, without someone calling me a racist. So I’ll let someone else take the heat.

        • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

          Bwhaha! I haven’t seen the studies I can guarantee you that ANY pro athlete, politician, or actor would be nowhere on that list. I’ve had pets that probably had more fuctioning brain cells than all everyone in all those groups. I really believe they are holding our species back from an evolutionary standpoint.

          • Ahmaid Ahdoodi

            Why do you have such a deep interest in film, then? Or are you just part of that evolutionary hold-back, yourself?

            • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

              I have an interest in sports and politics too but I don’t revere the people in them as living Gods like most do. To be fair I’d say the average human IQ in 2015 is somewhere between the high single digits and low double digits. HG Wells was more right about the future than he ever knew.

              • chrysostomos

                You don’t have to justify yourself. Better to have broad interests than be a narrow minded buffoon. I don’t believe being “racist” makes you narrow-minded either.

                • Jaxxon Action Figure

                  IQ testing has been shown to have large, implicit cultural biases. IQ tests also do not test well for aptitude in the arts, music and other non-quantifiable kinds of intellect. I wouldn’t put too much faith in IQ testing as a determinant of which culture is smarter than which other culture.

                  • chrysostomos

                    I don’t use it to determine which culture is “smarter”, I use it to justify my racism.

                    • Jaxxon Action Figure

                      fascinating

                • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

                  Thank you. To be fair, I think IQ tests are a load of shit too and I always used to score high on them in school. They are basically the midichlorians of our universe, A very flawed way of measuring intellectual potential which people very rarely live up to in the real world outside the vaunted ivory tower.

            • chrysostomos

              You can’t be “racist” and a film buff? What a lunatic thing to say. But then judging by your username you’re probably a Muslim and they generally have very low IQs according to population studies. Not as bad as Ethiopians however.

        • chrysostomos

          I believe in you!

  • Kenny Ritchie

    I’m really throwing this out there, I personally believe Serkis’s character is above average height and in need of a good meal.

  • Sifo Dyas

    Darth Jar Jar – never seen a Gungan Sith Lord before…

  • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

    Relieved to hear this. Seeing the Jedi fight Godzilla in a duel would have been beyond stupid. Not even the PT sank that low.

    • Brent Hernandez

      loool yeh when I heard that 20 foot thing I was like “how the hell are the going to pull that off if he is even bigger than the hulk”

      • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

        Would have looked like every shitty Bayformers fight. No thank you!

  • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

    lol, But not in a duel. It would pretty hard for someone that big to move that fast and agile.

  • The MacGuffin Guy

    I hope it’s plagueis, but I won’t care either way as long as he’s awesome and makes sense in the story.

    • Ryan Ahmed

      same

  • CommonRider

    Even if Snoke is Plagueis, I highly doubt we’ll find out if he is or isn’t in TFA.

    • skoober

      He’s not.

      This has been confirmed multiple times.

      Let it go. Let it goooooo…

      • nph53

        confirmed where? they’ve been very coy about.

      • CommonRider

        Oh I’m not bothered mate, the story as a whole is what counts!

        I’m just looking forward to another ride in a galaxy far, far away.

      • Ethan Howard

        Oh yeah, it’s not like JJ with Khan at all…
        I personally don’t believe the rumor, but there’s nothing to truly confirm it being false either.

        • Boudciarge

          Star Trek was a reboot, so bringing back Khan was making sense. TFA is a sequel, mostly, as Abraham said many time, to the OT. And it’s clear, when you listen to the director, that is love goes to the OT, not the PT. Everything he have talking about was to be close to the OT. Plus, is special Star Wars adviser is Simon Pegg, a guy who hate the PT as much as I hate the Toronto Maple Leaf or the Boston Bruins, so for me, the idea that the big bad guy for the next trilogy come from a name mention from the Episode III, make little sense.

          • The name of a guy who was described as murdered in his sleep, too. Plagueis could happen, but I don’t think that it will, nor do I see the appeal.

          • leopoldo

            I “liked” you because you hate the Toronto Maple Leafs ;)

      • John C Newbern IV

        Multiple times?? Not! It was only at Comic Con that Kasdan joked and said, “Who? Darth Vegas?” And then JJ quickly jumped in and said, “As of now, Darth Plagueis isn’t in the movie.” And that’s it. They brushed it off rather quick. JJ isn’t a good liar!

      • Nathan

        Just like Kahn was “confirmed” to not be in Star Trek Into Darkness?

  • Lord Phanatic “Wampa”

    Ahhhh good one!!!!!

  • nph53

    “7 ft tall and very thin”. every detail that comes about snoke only adds fuel to the plagueis fire, imo.

    • John C Newbern IV

      I agree!

  • Joel

    Could he be a Kaminoan? Thats what came to my mind when I read “Tall and very very thin”…

    • Ampoliros

      Bring in the clones.

    • Semiote

      Doubt it: I’m guessing that with all of the inherited and modestly modified designs in the film, they took the opportunity with Maz and Snoke to come up with brand new character designs. Hence the secrecy about the appearance of Maz for quite a while, and the total secrecy about the appearance of Snoke. Just a hunch, though…

  • Scott

    I believe true identity of Snoke won’t be revealed until Episode8 or Episode 9 , the appearence of Plagueis is not defined as cannon. So this debate will continue until 2017, at least.

    • nph53

      for whatever its worth, george said as far as the canon was concerned he was a muun. now whether that transfers over is another story.

    • John C Newbern IV

      Kathleen Kennedy already said they will be pulling ‘elements’ of the EU for these stories. So Plagueis’ non Canon appearance doesn’t really matter….

  • Crixxxx

    JJ Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan do not give a flying crap about Plagueis or anything else prequel-related. It should be obvious by now that next to nothing from the prequel era will have a place in TFA.

    • Samuel Wallace

      They care about what is good and works in the context. There is emphasis on the OT because of fan-overreaction, but between JJ and Kasdan, it appears they personally don’t care WHERE or WHEN it comes from, as long as it’s good. In terms of the design sensibilities, I feel TFA is actually more in the vein of the PT design, on a micro level, that is. From a distance on paper, it’s OT; but the little details and finishing touches got the PT vibe IMO. That and there isn’t actually THAT MUCH that is similar to the OT, if you really break it down – more like 30% OT, 20% PT, 50% New stuff.

      • Crixxxx

        I haven’t seen anything remotely prequel-related in the design of this one, save a couple of pod racerbanners in one shot. To me, it screams OT.

        • Samuel Wallace

          It screams O.T., but IS IT? I think not, just looking at the craftmanship and execution, it looks like a mix

          • ManWithoutFear

            It has some CGi, which obviously makes us think of the PT, but other than that it’s all practical. Very OT-looking for me, which is a good thing.

            • Samuel Wallace

              I reiterate: The craftsmanship and execution on the *physical* props has as much PT sensibilities as it does OT, which is good, because the PT had very high-quality props, which, combined with the charm of the OT, should make for a pretty gorgeous movie.
              From what I can see, they’re using all the GOOD things about the PT, which is more than most people noticed in the first place.
              The work on the space-ships flying and composition with real-world background elements is superb – in the same exact way the photo-pasting on the ships in PT were superb.
              The sets both to-scale and miniature look superb, as were the [physical] sets in the PT.
              The REAL issue that everyone has with the PT’s visuals is the green-screen and the CG Clonetroopers – which we have yet to see an obviously green-screened shot from anyone of the trailers – so in THAT sense, it’s non-pt, but there are a ton of little things that, to me, look like it’s done by the same people that made AOTC, which, in this case, is not an insult. There were some really good sets and props in that movie.

              You never hear anyone complaining about how stupid the Theed Palace and surrounding city look, so why SHOULD J.J. throw it in the trash? Of course they’re calling back the same guys to do what they do best, and that style of work in still prevailent in TFA, the way the stuff is built, the way the paint sits, it looks like the same guys, that’s my point.

              Sorry, I meant this as a quick reply, I should’ve just made a new comment, apologies for rant.

              • ManWithoutFear

                I agree mate. The problem with the CGI in the PT isn’t the fault of the guys doing the CGI itself – they were clearly experts. The fault lay with Lucas who used it FAR too much.

                The new movie looks like its using CGI more sparingly and only when necessary, which is how I like it.

    • Nathan

      From what I have gathered JJ was a fan of the EU so it would make sense

    • Dave Fitzgerald

      and you know this how? Because as far as everyone else who knows ANYTHING about Star Wars or Plagueis..THEY know, that Plagueis is the most important character in the whole Skywalker saga….considering that not only was he Palpatines master , but he WAS the Phantom Menace, as he was still pulling the strings during that period, Lucas even acknowledged this idea. Not only was he the only Sith who achieved the ability to create life and save people from dying usint the dark side of the force.,..HE created Anakin Skywalker, and I garauntee that this will be one of the big reveals in the new trilogy. He was also the SIth lord who wanted to do away with the rule of two that was created by Darth Bane…The prequels are still canon and part of the saga…sorry buddy…..you can say that is speculation all you like…but I will just call it COMMON SENSE. #########here is some pure speculation though. Palpatine never killed PLagueis, it was all a lie to deceive the Jedi. plagueis always planned on creating a Sith army, nobody, not even Vader could know the plan. once they hunted out the children of the force they could create a dark side weilding army and then finally reveal themselves…Just like the Sith army did in The Old republic. Kylo being told of his true heritage after he was taken from Luke’s destroyed Jedi temple on dathomar looks to plagueis as more than his master, but his creator. Maybe Kylo is really the chosen one? or maybe Kylo at least thinks he is. There is a reason he does not think of himself as Evil…..If he is not Plagueis, Oh well I guess I will just have to deal with it. if he is not, then they are missing out on telling an awesome story.

      • Crixxxx

        Look at any interview either have them done during the making of this film. They talk all about the OT, hardly anything about the PT. It’s pretty clear they want nothing to do with those movies or the things that were introduced in them. Lawrence Kasdan was asked about Plagueis and he seemed to have no clue who he was. No one knows about Plagueis is unless they read that book apart from the brief mention in Revenge of the Sith. George Lucas has nothing to do with the writing of this story so he will not contribute anything regarding Plagueis, either.

  • Elliot Fabiani

    I hope it’s plagueis, if it wasn’t why would they hide so much, if it was a new character they could have shown us a glimpse of him and it wouldn’t have gave anything away cause we know nothing of him (just like kylo ren) , to keep it a surprise sounds like it’s going to be someone the fans know or heard of before , but we’ll find out soon enough!

    • Mark

      There are many characters they haven’t shown yet.

  • Mark

    As Kathleen Kennedy has already confirmed that the film mentions the Sith – it’s highly likely that Snoke is Plagueis.

  • smr9

    George was involved in the early stages. When the book was first proposed, I wrote to him and asked whether there was any reason why Plagueis couldn’t be a non-human, and he wrote back that Plagueis could be a Muun and sent me some artist renderings of the character. From that point on, everything was approved, as they’re saying, “at the highest level.” I worked most closely with George’s right-hand man at Lucas licensing, Howard Roffman. It was a strange way to go about the book, because I kind of had to bypass both Del Rey and the usual editorial staff at Lucasfilm and work directly with Howard over the course of what amounted to about a year of preparation.

    • Sean

      Actually, it has been stated by Lucas himself as well as J.J. and Kathleen Kennedy that they DID NOT use any of his outlines for the story. Nothing in this film comes from Lucas’ ideas for the Sequel Trilogy, which Lucas actually sounded a little bitter about in that interview, so I doubt he’s being coy or anything like that. Also, just because Plagueis is a Muun according to the canon, if that is even still the case, that does not mean the villain in TFA is Plagueis or a Muun at all. Just because the character is 7 feet tall and thin does not automatically mean he’s a Muun.

      I hope it is Plagueis, but I very highly doubt it. J.J. and Kasdan aren’t very aware of the EU stories, by their own admission, and are not fans of the PT. Plagueis was only referenced in dialogue during the PT, nothing more, so why would they use a character only mentioned in passing from a film they didn’t like? EU and PT fans would love it, but most of the audience wouldn’t have any clue who the hell he is. Finally, I think Snoke is something else entirely, not a Sith. I think Vader fulfilled the prophecy, wiping out the Sith forever, and any villains going forward will be Dark Side users other than Sith. That’s just my speculation, though.

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      There wasn’t anywhere that he wouldn’t go to avoid

      Having to see anyone

      He’d sit in a chair and lean against the wall

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      But late at night, he had a savior

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      In my dreams, in my sleep

      And as she runs her fingers through my hair

      As I lay on her lap and she says

      Poor you, poor you

      No one understands you

      Poor you, poor you

  • Dakit

    With the introduction of Rakata Prime on the Official Map of the star wars galaxy I really hope Snoke is not a Rakata http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rakata most of the lore for them is from KoTOR and SWTOR games, so hopefully they wont include it, but you never know what they’ll do now days…

    …i hope it’s Plagueis, and they make the Plagueis Novel cannon, that one book (along with the BOOKS of EP 1-3) make the prequels so much better and completely changed how i look at them (as an original tril person, due to age), if only those books where the movies there would be so much less hate!

    • I hope the same thing, and the novel was really great, really a change of the prequels!
      And if it is plagueis, maybe we will see so little of him.in this mobie, and more in 8 and 9

  • Marco aldrighi

    Plagueis

    • Ainnem Agon

      Jar-Jar confirmed

  • Peter North’s Aching Balls

    Muun’s look pathetic, so if it is Plageuis I hope they’ve either thrown out the “Muun” thing, or they’ve changed the design considerably.

    • Dave Fitzgerald

      Lucas was specific and said that Plagueis HAD to be a muun.

  • A Knight of Ren

    Well after reading this article and the SW 7 news conference article, all I know
    about Supreme Leader Snoke is that he mainly interacts with General Hux and
    Kylo Ren, He’s around about 7 foot tall, badly scared and … ( wait for it ) …
    he’s not Jar Jar or an Ewok. = p (JK )

    They’ve done a Great job keeping us in the Dark about Snoke and Luke. = )

  • Mutemonster

    Snoke is so plageuis sounding I hop he is. There is a muun in attack of the cones. Part of the counts trade ensemble.

  • Scott

    At press conference KK said the story specifics for 8 and 9 are not consolidated at this point. Even if JJ set up new antagonist for Snoke, Rian or Colin could transform him into Plageuis in following episodes?

  • MichaelJPierce

    Darth Jar Jar. Standing up straight Jar Jar Binks is easily 7 something.

  • Petar Ramljak

    People laughed me

    • Justanotherfanatic

      Where is this from?

    • smr9

      What is this? Seems pretty significant if real, or is it Photoshop?

    • TuskenPenner

      Damn oO Is this real ? From where did you get this ???

    • Sean

      John Campea and Kristian Harloff just confirmed via their own separate sources that THIS IS INDEED AN IMAGE OF SNOKE!!! Considering this drawing is basically an exact copy of an image of Plagueis you can find doing a quick Google search, it is essentially confirmation that Snoke IS Plagueis!!!

      • TuskenPenner

        What are you talking about ? There are very little pictures of plagueis on the internet (at least ones that aren’t from fans) and this in particular isn’t anywhere to be found, so it definitley isn’t a copy.

      • I saw them talk about that on there show today, Snoke = Plagueis.

    • TUD

      Where’d you get this?

    • Dinadaidaonadidnadoni

      AHHAHAHAHAAH

    • Mmanu Starkiller

      Dude Sorry to make your “great discovery” a Fake, but that image is from a friend, his name is Called Carlos “Balamoc” he was comisioned by the magazine “Cine PRemier” to make some drawings of various characters, but they only give him the Names, so he Bascially google “Snoke” and use the first image he get. He si not a fan so he didn’t knew that characters name.

      I have that magazine and in the article says that the images are just “Ilsutrative” and even have the name of the ilustrator, and are NOT OFICIAL.

      • TUD

        Welp, that was debunked fast.

    • Mmanu Starkiller

      They even say in the same magazine that JJ will direct episode 8 and 9, called that Maz Kanata is “the Han solo of this trilogy” and even says that Kylo Ren is a Sith of the new “Knights of Rey” military faction.

      Beilive me using “Cine Premier” as source is the worst you could do!

  • Mmanu Starkiller

    So.. I’m the only one that thinks that he is a snake like creature, and think that does plagueis nonsense is just a poor try of the PT to have something relevant into TFA from that era?

    • Ryan Ahmed

      no i think the plagueis thing could be true,, it would be really cool if it was true