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Editor Maryann Brandon on Rey’s Parents, the Original Opening of The Force Awakens, How Powerful Obi-Wan Is and More

Maryann BrandonAfter a special screening of The Force Awakens at The Pollock Theater, Oscar-Nominated editor Maryann Brandon took the time to do an hour long Q&A about her work on the seventh installment of our favorite franchise. The famous editor touched on Rey’s parents, the original beginning of TFA, Kylo Ren, the Force Back scene, Han’s death and the importance of Maz, as well as how powerful exactly is Obi-Wan, according to George Lucas. Brandon revealed even more extremely interesting bits about The Force Awakens and I recommend everyone to listen to the whole thing. Read on for the full details…

 

The Q&A began with a very simple question:

 

Who are Rey’s parents?

I actually don’t know. I am not even sure that they know. J.J. Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan weren’t talking about it. They shifted back and forth and they haven’t talked about it. Your guess is as good as mine.

In some films that are serialized we change things all the time. We start with one intention and suddenly, you know what, scrap that idea, let’s change who everyone is.

 

TFA Script

On The Force Awakens script:

 

Maryann Brandon also talked about TFA script and the secrecy surrounding it. She showed the script, which as we already know was printed on red paper with each person’s name printed across every page. This was done so that if something leaks, they would know who it was. The red paper was used so that the script couldn’t be xeroxed. And although she was locked in a room where she had to read the script in privacy, she managed to convince J.J. to let her take the script home. It was really tough reading 140 pages, especially on this red paper.

 

 

On the different beginning of the movie:

 

Maryann also talked about the different beginning that the movie had (Luke’s severed wrist holding the lightsaber), and why they decided to go against it. The main reason was because many people haven’t seen the Original Trilogy (including the other editor Mary Jo Markey) and this would have been very confusing.

Also the editor revealed that they re-shot the opening scene and added Poe’s humorous lines, while speaking to Kylo Ren. They did that to soften the tone of the opening scene with the villagers being massacred. And Star Wars has always been tongue in cheek during hard and difficult situations like this.

 

10 - Rey-and-BB-8

On Rey:

 

At one point Rey’s introduction was not entirely without words as in the final movie. They wanted to underline her loneliness, and after listening to John Williams’ theme on Rey, they decided to make the introduction with no words at all.

 

 

On Kylo Ren:

 

On Kylo Ren, the editor revealed that originally they unmasked him much earlier in the movie. During the first scene with Snoke, Adam Driver was actually without helmet. A CGI helmet was added so that the revelation would happen at a later point. This made his character more menacing.

Also the scene where Kylo talks to Vader’s mask initially appeared much earlier in the movie. They moved it later because it made him more insecure earlier in the film. It was really important to them to make the audience believe that during Han’s death, there was still chance for Kylo to turn to the light and spare his father.

 

 

On Maz Kanata:

 

Brandon also touched on Maz Kanata and her incredible importance to the story. The initial plan was that Maz’s attention is on Rey and how she is a Jedi. Also at some point Maz had force powers and even some magical abilities that were scraped. And they decided Maz to focus on Finn so that you won’t hate him after he leaves our heroes.

 

Knights of Ren

On the Force Back scene:

 

Another interesting topic that was brought up, was of course the Force Back scene. According to Maryann this scene is not similar to the Dagobah cave scene from The Empire Strikes Back. There Luke went to face his fear and learn a lesson. In the Force Back scene Rey faces a new world that she was never part of. According to her logic, the lightsaber does call to Rey, but it’s more like she is looking for it and not the other way around, since she will eventually become a Jedi.

Maryann mentioned about the other scenes that were never filmed for the Force Back vision. One of them was Rey walking down the Bespin corridor and seeing Vader cutting off Luke’s hand. Then she turns and sees a version of Snoke with a little boy. But these scenes never made much logic and they scrapped them.

She also said something very interesting. In the original script the Force Back scene was intended to be a ride through the history of Star Wars. It was a very early draft, when Michael Arndt was still attached to the project.

 

 

On Han’s death:

 

For Han’s death scene Brandon said that such powerful character like Han Solo should go, so that there will be place for developing new strong characters.

 

Vader-v-Obi-Wan

On how powerful is Obi-Wan according to George Lucas:

 

During the fans’ questions Maryann did a surprising revelation. She was talking about the different levels of Jedi. Some are strong with the Force, some not so much, but if you want to become a Jedi, you should go through a special training. Then she revealed that during J.J. Abrams’ discussions with George Lucas, the father of the franchised made the shocking reveal to Abrams that Obi-Wan Kenobi is not actually strong with the Force. He was average!!!

 

 

On the strange Leia – Rey scene:

 

At the end of the movie many people noticed that after Han’s death, instead of hugging Chewbacca Leia hugs Rey who she never met. J.J. Abrams already revealed in the past that this was a mistake. Brandon added that in previous drafts Leia knew who Rey was. They scrapped that since it didn’t have any logic, because we don’t know who Rey is.

 

 

You can listen to the whole Q&A below:

 

 

Thanks to our friends at StarWarsAlert for alerting us about this video.

 

 

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  • MattM1974

    “Then she turns and sees a version of Snoke with a little boy.” Wow, that is interesting. Presumably a young Ben Solo?

    • Steven

      That scene would of been a wonderful insight into Snoke’s background in relation to the Republic and First Order.

      • Kicker2

        But apparently he only went with Snoke around 5 years before TFA according to latest novel. So he would have already been in his 20s

        • Steven

          Just goes to show how much of the story wasn’t tied down until the last moment, hence nothing new other than a bigger Death Star.

          • Kicker2

            And you know that, how?

            • Steven

              Well they basically said they had things on standby in a previous interview. Go through the other articles on the site. This interview enforces those posts.

            • Steven

              “Then she turns and sees a version of Snoke with a little boy.” – this is in relation to Ben Solo right, so they were still playing with him being converted at a young age. This isn’t the case now as you pointed out he would of been in his 20s. Hence the story wasn’t tied down to the last minute

            • Steven
        • TUD

          Snoke was apparently hanging around Ben Solo from the very beginning. Ben just finally turned Dark in his 20s.

    • Mathew

      That’s interesting, because according to the new novel, Bloodline, 6 years before TFA, Ben is still with Luke. If what she says is true, maybe Snoke has been around a long time, a bit like Palpatine was.

  • Plagus

    Good old George still trying to downgrade fan favorite characters.

    • GeekOut

      I never really saw Obi Wan as anything other than an average Jedi. Anikin was stronger in the Force than Obi Wan. So was Luke. Obi Wan never seemed to have particularly outstanding abilities in the Force. Guess his midichlorian count is just not that high! ;-)

      • Michelle Lehto

        Agreed. Obi Wan made it to Master because of his years of service, his devotion to the Force, and his willingness to play everything by the book as far as he possibly could. Not because he’s a powerful badass.

        And of course he’d be more in-tune with the Force after being in exile for 20 years with nothing but meditation and practice to pass the time.

        • Ghost of Obi Wan Kenobi

          If fans wrote Star Wars, all the “cool” costume characters with cool weapons (i.e., the ones that sell the most toys) would have superhero powers. I’m glad Kenobi is an average Jedi. It gives him more humanity. That is why he was always one of my favorites in this saga.

          • Nicholas Henriksen

            I would not call him an average jedi. Even though his force powers are average, he is still one of the greatest jedi in the history of the order.
            Though i do agree with you on the humanity part. It really does fits his character, making his role and accomplishments in the story more compelling.

            • obijuanmartinez

              THIS. He beat ANAKIN the friggin’ CHOSEN ONE. and while he might be the ‘not so gifted’ kid who has to bust his @$$ to get straight-As (not the Tony Stark of Jedi, like Anakin), he still gets it done…

      • Andrew Malenda

        He seemed fairly above average when he defeated Maul on Naboo. The leap, the grabbing of the lightsaber, etc.

      • Andrew Malenda

        Also, I thought they were going to address how powerful he is in death. “If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful…” etc.

        • Mathew

          He’s powerful because he can train/guide Luke (and others) and Vader/The Emperor can’t touch him. Seems pretty powerful to me!

      • Steven

        Exactly – Obi-wan was wise from experience, that makes him more powerful than Vader in ANH.

      • Lugh

        Obi Wan(delf?) though not the most powerful, is naturally good, selfless and sensible. He’s prepared to sacrifice himself to save his friends in the cause of the greater good, and in doing so attains great wisdom and enlightenment, he’s basically Gandalf. Sorry cantina, GL isn’t really all that original.

    • Jacobus

      GL hasn’t downgraded any characters. Some fans just have a higher opinion of small characters, Obi-Wan excluded (as he is a big character). In this instance GL is just stating an in-universe fact about Obi-Wan Kenobi which is easily apparent when watching the saga. The character is still great regardless of his strength in the force.

  • Davis

    Very interessting article. However, if Lucas really stated that Obi-wan was only average with the force, than how did he defeat the ,,chosen one” in his prime?

  • Josiah Johnson

    Kylo’s face reveal should have been saved until the “torn apart” scene. They also shouldn’t have just had Snoke say “you’re father, han solo”, Han and Leia’s son should have been mentioned only vaguely so you thought he just wasn’t a part of the resistance, and the “Ben!” moment would have been a huge reveal

    • Hard Case

      I agree. “In the hands of Han Solo” would have been sufficient. But they would have also had to rework the Han and Leia dialogue to avoid spoiling it there as well.

      • Steven

        If Hux had made an appearance meeting Kylo carrying Rey tot the shuttle the audience wouldn’t of been sure who was the son of Han and Leia.

      • Captain Fantasma

        I was glad they didn’t wait too long to reveal that Kylo was Han’s son. However, I think Snoke should have just said “in the hands of your father.” Kylo doesn’t need to be told who his father is and it would have been okay if it wasn’t perfectly clear to everyone in the audience at that point. Most would have understood immediately.

  • Ghost of Obi Wan Kenobi

    So in other words, Rey and Maz has less scenes and less spoken words, while Poe and Finn’s importance and presence were increased…

    • Steven

      While I enjoy TFA for what it is, it does seem as though JJ tried to cram in to much and thus it feels a bit flat in terms of story IMO.

    • TUD

      Did someone say POE AND FINN?

      ;0

      • NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

        oh god..lmao

  • AuDiOsAnE

    ” It was really important to them to make the audience believe that during Han’s death, there was still chance for Kylo to turn to the light and spare his father.”

    Are you serious? They actually thought people were going to buy Han possibly surviving his encounter with the villain, the very one tasked with killing him so that he could remove his last bit of light? Not to mention this moment rehashed Obi-Wan’s death in ANH.

    • CosmicDolphin

      Did you notice the parallel with the Starkiller, it actually removed the last bit of light from the Sun it was draining to charge the weapon at the same moment the last bit of light went out in Kylo and he made his choice.

      • AuDiOsAnE

        Exactly. The film went out of its way to telegraph that Han was toast. However, I called it as soon as Leia asked Han to bring their son home. Yeah, that made perfect sense. I mean, he was only a major problem back when he was just a teenager. I’m sure it’ll work out smoothly now that he’s firmly on the dark side, with a side of daddy issues. Also, let’s not forget how the Resistance would’ve gladly received Kylo Ren with open arms…

        • Luz

          Han was toast LOL… butter and jam please

          • AuDiOsAnE

            Blue butter and Wookiee jam. Look. I know we’re grieving and all… but I’m starting to get hungry! o<|=oP

            • Luz

              So who talks first? You talk first? I talk First

              • AuDiOsAnE

                Patience! For the Jedi it is time to eat as well. Eat, eat. Hot. Good food, hm? Good, hmm?

                • Luz

                  Are you a jedi or a sith? :(

                  • AuDiOsAnE

                    I am hungry. Or I was. I posted this two days ago. Wait. Why is my stomach growling again? Strange phenomenon… ^_-

        • Mathew

          Hey Honey, I know I’m the one with Force powers I never bothered to tune up, but while you’re out buying space groceries, if you happen to see our son – you know, the murdering bastard with really strong Force powers you can’t do anything about – bring him home, will you?

          • AuDiOsAnE

            Han felt too awkward even to kiss his own ex-wife. I honestly think he was just looking for a way out and didn’t have the heart to turn his blaster on himself.

            HAN: It’s true… *sniffles* All of it. :'(

    • NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

      Still think Han shouldn’t have died till VIII..that way we can get one more reunion of the big 3 and have his death feel a little more impactful for the new cast with having two movies of Han Solo lovin in their lives. But no. Was I fooled to believe Kylo was going to spare his father? Pfft I knew he was dead as soon as he yelled “BEN!” The only struggle I had was holding back the tears.

      • AuDiOsAnE

        Agreed. Also, why was Ben on that catwalk anyway, except to murder his own father? What, did he read the script?

        • NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

          He obviously wanted to feel the cool breeze brush against his helmet.

      • Bluemilk7

        ^^ absolutely agree. saving his death until 8 would have put a nice spin on things.. they could have developed the conflict between han solo and ben solo, he could have died in the middle of 8 and it would have become super dark AND the big three could all have been on that island with luke in TFA.. a tragic mistake.

  • AuDiOsAnE

    ” And Star Wars has always been tongue in cheek during hard and difficult situations like this.”

    Like when? The Original Trilogy pretty much always took all their serious moments seriously, like Vader revealing he was Luke’s father, the destruction of Alderaan, the massacre of the Jawas, Han being frozen in carbonite, etc.

    • Kicker2

      Boring conversation anyway.

      • AuDiOsAnE

        Clever…

    • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

      Yeah, This really paints the creative team in a poor light. They should put a muzzle on her to keep her from saying such ignorant statements like this in public.

    • Mathew

      Yep… just thinking back on those good times, chuckling at Uncle Owen’s burnt corpse, laughing hysterically when Obi-Wan dies, and almost wetting my pants when Biggs got blown up. Good times.

      If that’s what this person calls tongue in cheek, I’d hate to see her idea of serious.

      • AuDiOsAnE

        Oh yeah! The corpses were burning! Haha! Ohhhh… good times! ;^)

        • TUD

          I loved that part in Episode III when Anakin is being graphically burned alive as he screams curses at his only father figure.

          Wholesome family fun!

          • AuDiOsAnE

            Qui-Gon Jinn, his original father figure, also burned.

            LUCAS: It’s like poetry, it rhymes.

            • TUD

              Every stanza rhymes with the last.

  • AuDiOsAnE

    “For Han’s death scene Brandon said that such powerful character like Han Solo should go, so that there will be place for developing new strong characters.”

    Translation: Han had to go so that MaRey Sue could take over the Falcon.

    • Dave

      No, Han had to go cause that was the only way Ford would come back.

      • AuDiOsAnE

        Regardless, Rey still benefited from his death. It’s no coincidence that she was an ace pilot, a skilled mechanic and just so happened to know Wookiee. Chewie was even shot in the arm so Rey could show off her skills to Han.

        The girl is dangerous. She becomes empowered at the expense of others, especially Finn.

        • John DiLillo

          She’s dangerous!

        • Andrew Malenda

          I really like this idea.

          • AuDiOsAnE

            Oh, no! I sense it, too… Could it be?! <=O

  • AuDiOsAnE

    “During the fans’ questions Maryann did a surprising revelation. She was talking about the different levels of Jedi. Some are strong with the Force, some not so much, but if you want to become a Jedi, you should go through a special training. Then she revealed that during J.J. Abrams’ discussions with George Lucas, the father of the franchised made the shocking reveal to Abrams that Obi-Wan Kenobi is not actually strong with the Force. He was average!!!”

    Ummm… so? Just because a Jedi character is popular TO US doesn’t mean they have to be unusually powerful. That’s an fan fiction sort of idea.

    • TUD

      Exactly. Just because a character is popular doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re powerful. It’s one of the reasons that I disliked Anakin in the prequels. Lucas felt the need to make him the Space Messiah instead of just a random, good-hearted Jedi.

      • AuDiOsAnE

        On top of that, Lucas had Anakin go all Old Testament on those sand people. Not even the sucklings were spared. <:'O

  • AuDiOsAnE

    “At the end of the movie many people noticed that after Han’s death, instead of hugging Chewbacca Leia hugs Rey who she never met. J.J. Abrams already revealed in the past that this was a mistake. Brandon added that in previous drafts Leia knew who Rey was. They scrapped that since it didn’t have any logic, because we don’t know who Rey is.”

    What we got didn’t have much logic either. Leia spent the whole movie desperately searching for her twin brother. She finally finds out where he is, and she sends a stranger to meet him? Ummm, why doesn’t she go, too? It’s not like they’re in the middle of a battle or anything. What, she can’t briefly visit her own brother to grieve over Han and Ben? No one else is available to lead the Resistance for a few days?

    • Mad Ben: Dune Warrior

      I think she feels it will only bring back painful memories of her son’s fall if she goes. By sending Rey it is her way of sending her brother a new hope or clean slate to make things right.

      • AuDiOsAnE

        That doesn’t make any sense. Leia’s already grieving over her son’s fall, especially now that he murdered his own father.

        • Mad Ben: Dune Warrior

          What? I said the reason she sends Rey is that she does not want to dredge up old wounds. If she goes it will just remind Luke about his failure with her son Ben. So she sends this girl who has a good heart and can offer Luke the chance to redeem himself by successfully training someone to be a Jedi Knight.

          • AuDiOsAnE

            Again, you’re not making a whole lot of sense. Sending Rey will accomplish the same thing. Luke will be reminded of why he went into hiding when she finally meets him. If he doesn’t already know, Luke will learn that his failure to play an active role in TFA contributed to Han’s death. I also imagine that he might wonder why Leia, his own sister, didn’t come along.

            Leia or no Leia, it’s inevitable that Luke will be reminded of his failures.

            • Mad Ben: Dune Warrior

              No but she is trying to take things slowly.Rather than throwing everything on him at once. She believes Rey is up to the challenge of getting Luke back and also becoming a Jedi Knight. She is doing what is best for the galaxy. Also it is not like she has a Resistance to run or something. Looking at your previous comments it confirmed my suspicion that you look for anything to gripe about with this movie so I am not going to waste in further of my time on you.

      • CosmicDolphin

        She’s still embarrassed about snogging his face off

    • Captain Fantasma

      Do you know how long it would have taken Carrie Fisher to get up those steps? ;-0

      • Dave

        The opening crawl of Episode 9:

        Leia finally makes it up those steps to find Luke. Sorry you missed Episode 8.

        • Bluemilk7

          Star Wars Episode VIII: Ascent of the Princess
          Star Wars Episode IX: Destiny of the Aforementioned Princess

          • Captain Fantasma

            Somebody didn’t like my little joke.

            • Bluemilk7

              i liked it ;D

      • Will Motto

        By the time she reached the top, Rey would be a Jedi Master.

      • AuDiOsAnE

        If one can’t walk up, the other can walk down. ;^B

      • Mathew

        She would have earned her $2 million fee for the movie!

    • GeekOut

      Maybe Leia knows who Rey is, and knows that Luke knows who she is and that her return will be meaningful to Luke. These could be things that get revealed in episodes 8 and 9.

      And, um, yeah, they actually are in the middle of a battle. A really big one. The FO just destroyed the home system of the New Republic. It would be kind of irresponsible for the leader of the Resistance to leave at a time like that.

      • AuDiOsAnE

        These are just excuses to explain why Leia didn’t see her own brother. She played an important leadership role in the Rebel Alliance back in the OT, but she also spent lots of time with the gang, especially Empire when they were on the run from Vader. Leia spent the whole movie looking for her own brother. All of a sudden, she’s absolutely too busy to go visit him even though he’s essential to helping their cause. Yeah… okay. Not to mention the fact that they just won a major battle. They weren’t hunkered down or anything. Plus, I imagine they would have to change bases anyway since the First Order knows where they are now.

        • Concernedsec

          Thing with you is you think you are the end-all be-all of opinions because your ego thinks you are smarter than everybody else is. Not f’n science.

          • Mathew

            I don’t follow everyone’s posts, but I didn’t see anything wrong with the above post. I thought it made some good points.

    • mabruno

      My take from the hugging scene is that Leia knows who Rey is, but Han didn’t.

      • AuDiOsAnE

        Leia had to be told who Rey was and referred to her as the girl. I feel they hugged mostly because they both figured out who each other was and that they were both grieving over Han.

      • NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

        I’m sure Han knew who she was. When Maz asks “Who’s the girl.” they cut it so that the answer isn’t revealed. She is probably someone special to him. Maybe he knew her parents, or maybe she IS Luke’s daughter and he and Leia are aware of this..who knows. Han doesn’t look a guy to randomly recruit people he just met, no matter how experienced they seem to be.

        • Mathew

          Not sure about that. At first, Han tells Chewie to put Rey and Finn in a pod and drop them off somewhere. It’s only after realising the First Order are after her, and that it has to do with Luke, that he offers to help her.

          I don’t think Han knew who she was. Possibly he sensed something, but he didn’t KNOW.

          • NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

            Oh yea..I’m assuming if he did figure something out, it was after the series of events that took place throughout the film.

        • Captain Fantasma

          They cut away from Han’s response because the audience knows everything Han knows, so there’s no reason for us to hear him tell Maz.

      • Luz

        My take is that Leia felt that Kylo killed Han, and someone kicked in the ass Kylo.
        Also most probably they talked about it in the return travel:
        “Hey, I am Rey the girl rescued, do you copy?”
        “Leia speaking, how is my husband…”
        “Mmm, Finn is badly injured, and we come with a fancy lightsaber!
        Chew is here, he is a bit pissed with the tall guy with a helmet…”
        “aouaauaoauuuwwnfjnfnkfnglsxsfngsjnsgd…”
        “Ok Chew, no hugs when you arrive…”

    • Luz

      “The answer in next Episodes”

      Come on, she is strong in the force, he defeated Kylo Ren without any training (as far as we know), let the girl goes.

      • AuDiOsAnE

        Rey’s so strong, she was practically auditioning to replace Supreme Leader Snoke. Luke should be cautious how she hands him his lightsaber… ^_-

        • Luz

          She is strong as “…that pilot is strong in the force…” in Ep. IV…

          Oh wait… we should say that about Poe Dameron then…
          Poe was the one who should have brought the Saber to Luke. He destroyed Death Star 3.0, 1000 times more powerful than DS 1.0!!!

          • AuDiOsAnE

            ‘She is strong as “…that pilot is strong in the force…” in Ep. IV…’

            Yes, if you’re only focusing on piloting skills.

            ‘Oh wait… we should say that about Poe Dameron then…
            Poe was the one who should have brought the Saber to Luke. He destroyed Death Star 3.0, 1000 times more powerful than DS 1.0!!!’

            Funny how none of the original people searching for Luke actually traveled to meet him.

            • Luz

              Not really…
              I was quoting Vader in ANH in the rebel attack to the Death Star “…this pilot is strong in the force…” (his son).

              Hehehe may be all of them owe money to Luke :)), Han Solo most likely ;))

  • AuDiOsAnE

    Every time I see Chewie hug Leia in TFA, I pretend Han is a Force ghost.

  • Helge Kåre Fauskanger

    Making the Force Back a walk-through of the entire history of Star Wars would have been too much (or just an even more bewildering muddle of swiftly changing images, especially if the prequels were also to be “covered”). But I regret that they didn’t have Rey glimpse how Vader cut off Luke’s hand, as originally planned.

    The tradition that Anakin/Vader is in every film would have been maintained, and for newcomers, it would have explained why this Luke guy has a prosthetic right hand when we finally get to see him.

  • Kicker2

    Funny that they still copyguard the script but I bet that doesn’t stop people from taking cell phone pics of the pages.

    • Samuel Wallace

      Yeah, I was just thinking, “they still use Xerox??? Surely, like, literally any other thing made this century could scan the black-on-red, no problem. WTH?”

  • Matex

    “The main reason was because many people haven’t seen the Original Trilogy (including the other editor Mary Jo Markey) ”

    WAAAAAT

    you’re working on a billion dollar 9 feature film franchise and you don’t freakin’ watch the ones that came before the one you’re making?! seriously what’s wrong with people?!

    Sally Menke, who did all Tarantino movies would watch before editing another one like 10 different movies recommended by Quentin in order to understand what influenced the one she was about to work on; then we have someone from Bad Robot who haven’t seen OT before doing TFA. lord help me. the more I know about TFA the more it makes sense actually… duh

    • Will Motto

      She meant many of the fans hadn’t seen the original trilogy, not that many of the editors and filmmakers hadn’t.

      • Matex

        i know what she meant. yet, she explicitly states that a person who co-edited the movie with her didnt see anyone of the preceeding films, which strucks me as utterly unprofessional and frankly, unjustifiable, especially with the movie with SW’s magnitude

        • Mathew

          You absolutely nailed it – unprofessional. I would have thought Disney, after paying 4 billion bucks for Lucasfilm, would have had the foresight to ask their editor if they had seen Star Wars…

          • Matex

            but shes a good friend with Abrams, worked on most films with him, who cares about SW!

      • Ghost of Obi Wan Kenobi

        I don’t think so, not after Disney’s non-stop marketing of the OT which slammed fans over the head with A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi.

    • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

      Yeah, Bullshit statement of the day right there. Like saying nobody’s seen a Marvel film in 2016. Um, Ooookkaaaaayyyy.

    • iKing

      Especially given that ANH was famously edited by another very talented female. You’d think even just being a female editor let alone working on a SW film would compel you to check it out…

    • Ghost of Obi Wan Kenobi

      So they assume that everyone only watched the Prequel Trilogy? Am I getting this right????

    • Luz

      Hahaha
      Well at least they had the perspective of someone who had not watched them, and they picked the right choice for the new audience :))

  • Kicker2

    Daisy said she already knew who Rey’s parents are since making TFA, Unless you wanna say she is lying.

  • Samuel Wallace

    The Force Back scene; so the primary focus of the scene (originally) was that Rey is caught up on the SW history. Well that’s awful nice of them for changing it to only focus on new stuff. Could you imagine how tacky it would’ve been to have a Star Wars clip-show thrown in there? The “TFA = ANH rip-off” critics would never let ’em hear the end of it.
    But that is intriguing, I wonder if Rey’s increased knowledge of the SW events made it into the final script? Perhaps she saw more of the vision than we were made privy to?

    • NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

      Nah..they could’ve just digitally inserted her into one of these lol
      https://youtu.be/C82qKYLbG-Y

      • Drool Bear

        Wow, that was really well put together. Kudos.

        • NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

          Oh no! That’s not my video lol I wish I knew how to edit videos as well as this person..if you’re interested check out Make it Dirty’s (his are all about Star Wars each of them equally amazing) or Medley Weaver’s (the creator of this video) channel on YouTube.. They have some of the best Star Wars edits I’ve seen and I’m usually not into fan edits but theirs are so addicting.

          • TUD

            I agree. I’m subbed to that channel because whoever runs it is an amazing editor.

            • NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

              Which one make it dirty? I subbed to him in a heartbeat cause I was so amazed by his vids. Darth Vader Remembers was the one that got me hooked. I hope his channel is still around by the time the sequel trilogy is over so he can make insane edits with the whole saga!

              • TUD

                Yep, that channel.

      • Hard Case

        Epic

  • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

    Meh, “Not many people have seen the original trilogy” (are you shitting me?!) and not knowing who Rey’s Parents are in advance makes me seriously question the story group’s understanding of the saga as a whole. Although the flying hand through space was an awful idea to begin with and should never have even been considered.

    Obi-Wan was ALWAYS average. He got his ass kicked by Maul, Jango, AND Grievous only winning through sheer luck/cheating. I mean Dooku wounds him twice to the point he can’t even finish the duel. Literally he gets owned in every PT film. Only reason why he survived Anakin was due to his arrogance and having the high ground.

    • NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
      • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

        Really surprised didn’t end her chat with “live long and prosper”.

    • Luz

      @Rey´s Parents, it was not their choice. Kasdan and Abrams didn´t have/want to write who are Rey parents. They could have and idea of it, but if it is not in the movie they don´t know because the following writers can change that.
      It is a trilogy they had to left things open. I understand what she says like that.

      Imagine the laugh of Rian Johnson if they show him Ep.VII, and say to him “Hey, it is not written anywhere, is not in the movie either, but Rey´s Parents are Pepi & Johny.”
      He obviously would have answered, “So, why do you hire me?”

      • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

        Lucas pretty much spitballed Luke and Leia being siblings but he still knew Vader was Luke’s Father by the time of ANH. It’s why the OT is so rewatchable since you can see the subtle hints there, If they don’t know who Rey’s is then that doesn’t really work.

        • Luz

          Yes, I got your point.
          I mean that these guys are not stupid at all, of course they did their conjetures about Rey´s parenting, and they wanted us to make ours deliberately.
          So now it is the moment of R.Johnson to follow their steps or whatever.

          There is not a G.Lucas in this trilogy, a last word. Last word is R.Johnson because he is the writer of VIII and IX, but I guess he needs approbal of Lucasfilm and Disney.

          ANH was designed as a finished unique movie, not as a trilogy. Look the ending… Lucas didn´t know he was going to be so sucessful. Yes, Vader=Father but in ANH is more a metaphor without ESB and ROJ.
          Vader should have felt Leia was his daughter, or obviously the droids issue.

          • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

            Better him than the suits. When the execs have the final say you get the Highlander or Terminator series which are impossible to follow now and full of plotholes in every film.

            • Luz

              Hehe the PT have beautiful Plotholes too :)

              • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

                Well, Lucas stopped caring then. I really think the only eason he did the PT was to play around with his beloved digital technology as he seems to talk more about that than the story stuff on the behind the scenes features.

                • Luz

                  Hehe that´s true, and sometimes it was cool, others not.
                  Also I think he wanted to explain the things further than in OT… I am not sure that is a good thing, ellipsis worked very well in OT.

                  • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

                    It’s hard to believe he was the same guy who compared someone else having creative control over his works and editing them to having one of your kid’s kidnapped and maimed to someone who sold off evrythng he ever built all in the course of a few years.

                    • Luz

                      I guess he refered when he is involved at some point in the work.
                      May be he though that the 3rd trilogy was necessary but he didn´t feel he wanted to do it, so the best thing is to total break away.

                    • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

                      Which he sort of was with TCW, He could have done that or been the executive producer like with Empire/Jedi. Instead he has a kid in his 70’s, He’s always been a walking contradiction. Lol.

                    • Luz

                      Well, I am agree.
                      If for example, Spielberg would have get one movie of the PT it would have been totally different, Spielberg never fails directing.

                    • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

                      He would have done a better job than Lucas since he never stepped away from the camera for decades like he did but I think had the PT happened in 1986-1992 and Speilburg directed then they would have been even better since by the 21st century he was pretty much over with those types of films but in the 80’s he put out classic after classic in the genre and pretty much had mastered it then.

                    • Luz

                      Difficult to see that Spielberg would have been interested directing the 5th movie of a Saga in 2003… certainly the guy can pick what he does, and even what other people are going to do…

                    • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

                      Yeah, He only seemed to do Indy 4 for George. I think he is doing Indy 5 to make up for Indy 4 though. I liked Indy 2 but he didn’t and made the third one to make up for it.

                    • Luz

                      Right, I forgot Indiana… but he has directed all of them!

                    • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

                      He says he hates doing sequels but I enjoyed Indy 2 and 3 a lot, Had the PT been made then it’s possible it would have been on the level of the OT.

                    • Luz

                      Or James Cameron, he didn´t mind filming Aliens…

                    • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

                      Or Terminator 2, He was also at his peak then and also did Pirahana 2 too.

                    • Luz

                      Well, Terminator was his own project…
                      I believe the difficult thing is to continue other people project and be successfull, like ESB for example.

                    • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

                      Helps when the series becomes a director’s franchise like SW is now though there’s always a lesser one who kills the series down the road.

                    • Luz

                      IT is funny the other day I saw pictures of Katheleen Kennedy and Spielberg doing in ET. She was the producer before her 30s.
                      I cannot see that now.

                    • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

                      She got in with him from almost day one, He’s good to people who are loyal to him though as Shia and Megan Fox showed he also isn’t afraid to cut the cord for the ungrateful types either.

                    • Luz

                      Hehe gossip section, what did Megan Fox do?

                    • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

                      Made comparisons of Micheal Bay to Hitler which wasn’t very smart considering both he and Speilburg are Jews. That’s what happens when you take career advice from Shia.

                    • Luz

                      Probably she didn´t know about Hitler and the jews.

                    • Arec Baldrin (alias Grant)

                      Perhaps, I’d be surprised at all if she finished HS.

                    • Luz

                      Blame them then… Natalie Portman, Jodie Foster, Emma Watson… they have many choices to pick, colleges are full of people studying acting or anything else…

                    • Arec Baldrin (alias Grant)

                      It is pretty rare for actors to start or even finish college. Mostly since they have to get started so young and that doesn’t leave much time to go to school like with pro athletes. Moreso for women who’s careers usually dry up faster than men’s.

                    • Luz

                      Well, a degree is not necessary for acting, but some curiosity about the world, the proffesion, dancing, singing, music, reading… even writing! probably is pretty welcome :)…

                    • Arec Baldrin (alias Grant)

                      Exactly. Some have one but it’s not a job requirement like it is with most careers.

                    • Luz

                      Well, many actors from hollywood started in Mickey Mouse Club or stuff like that.
                      It looks an easy way to glory or disaster…

                    • Arec Baldrin (alias Grant)

                      They either make the transistion, fall by the wayside, or later get ypecast as adults.

                    • Luz

                      Well, some evolve naturally, from Cory Matthews+Topanga hs students to Cory Matthews+Topanga hs teacher and parents.

                    • Arec Baldrin (alias Grant)

                      Always nice when that can happen but I doubt it will with Jake Lloyd and Hayden Christensen now.

                    • Luz

                      I was kidding, only Cory-Topanga, Luke Skywalker, Fraiser…, have the same character for years!

                    • Arec Baldrin (alias Grant)

                      Quite an accomplishment, I’m pretty sure the 32 year gap between Jedi and TFA is the longest in history for a character played by the same actor.

                    • Luz

                      Sadly for him, the character followed him all those years.

                    • Arec Baldrin (alias Grant)

                      I though he got better in each film so hopefully he’s really good in this one since it sounds like his role will be as big as Han’s in the last one.

                    • Luz

                      He is a nice guy, best for him :)

                    • Arec Baldrin (alias Grant)

                      I think he’ll do a great job because unlike Ford, He’s never really been given a chance to headline a major blockbuster since the OT due to typecasting and he’s probably learned a lot since then to.

                    • Luz

                      Yeah, they deserved a trilogy in 90s or 2000.

                    • Arec Baldrin (alias Grant)

                      Yeah, Carrie still looked/sounded good then and Harrison’s career had just about peaked. The PT might have been better had it been made now with better CG and a different cast too.

                    • Luz

                      World was more interested in the revivals of old glories, The Aviator, Darth Vader… …

                    • Arec Baldrin (alias Grant)

                      That’s true too.

                    • Luz

                      I wonder why…

        • Maude St. Nubbins

          Incorrect, Leigh Brackett’s original ESB script actually had Luke see his father’s force ghost on Dagobah, and it wasn’t Vader. http://www.hitfix.com/news/was-darth-vader-originally-not-lukes-father-in-empire-strikes-back

          • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

            She also had Vader have two pets and was towards the end of her life when it was written. She only got credit since Lucas felt sorry for her and was probably senile towards the end hence the bizarre script she produced.

    • Ghost of Obi Wan Kenobi

      “Not many people have seen the original trilogy.”

      Funny, because after watching TFA, I was under the impression that that this movie was tailor-made for those who have seen nothing BUT the original trilogy.

      • Bluemilk7

        lawls

      • SonOfConstantDiligence

        No, because only the people who have seen the Original Trilogy a million times would complain that it was too similar. How can an audience that has never seen the previous movies complain that they were too similar?

        You could argue that TFA was aimed at both new audiences, by retelling a similar story, and old audiences, by playing off nostalgia.

      • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

        She managed to offend both generations of fans, Give her a raise!

    • Mathew

      Her quote was “many people haven’t seen the Original Trilogy”, which is slightly different. Of course loads of people have seen the OT, but they wanted to appeal to new audiences who hadn’t.

      Agree 100% though with your comments on not knowing who Rey’s parents are in advance – I’m hoping there are some really awesome reveals that they are saving for us, rather than just making it up as they go along.

      Agree 1000% about the floating hand in space idea too… the problem with that is that there was no one to ask “how the hell did that get there”, and no to reply “A good question – for another time”.

      Obi-Wan may have been average, but at least he never got beaten by a girl who had literally just discovered the force mere hours earlier!

      • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

        I really hope they don’t make her the new spokewoman since that’s such a loaded comment I would think she’d have more sense not to publicly say.

        Yeah, I’d really hate for the saga to become an unmitigated cluster fuck ala the Highlander and Terminator series. That’s what happens with no one steering the ship and they only go by fan service.

        I’m not saying he’s a pussy though since if he’s not naturally gfted it makes him more heroic going up against someone who is. Kind of like Magic Johnson who was never the greatest player but is one of the greats since he understood basketball better than anyone and where everyone wa on the courts at all times. Same with Obi-Wan and experience.

      • Maude St. Nubbins

        Making up major revelations as they go along is a Star Wars trademark, why stop now?

    • AuDiOsAnE

      Wow. On one hand, my respect for Obi-Wan has hit an all-time low. On the other hand, my hopes for Finn have never been better. Yay… 0_o?

      • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

        At least Obi-Wan won a fight though. Lol.

  • TUD

    Interesting. Apparently this film shares another similarity with A New Hope – it was saved in editing.

    • brotheroflogan

      That sounds like a story.

    • TheAwesomerPrime

      Seems like it was ruined in editing.

  • Ian

    Come on guys, 35 years after the fact and we’re back in the same boat, with just two Jedi left in the the whole galaxy?

    Guess that explains the recent title leak.

    • NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

      This one?
      Star Wars Episode VIII:
      The Return of the Jedi after the Return of The Jedi. There were more than the 2 we have now..but that’s a long story..Don’t worry though cause we’re probably going to make an animated series about them on Disney XD

      coming soon to a theater near you.

    • 80sRobot

      What is the supposed title? The Last Jedi?

      • Ian

        Think the working title was TLJ

  • TheAwesomerPrime

    The second editor of Star Wars never saw the original Star Wars?! Can you believe that sh**? So we lost a great scene because she didn’t want to itunes it. No wonder it felt like a CW tv show and not like Star Wars.

    • Maude St. Nubbins

      How is Luke’s severed hand floating through space a great scene? It’s baffling that they even considered it, because it raises far more questions than why Maz has it in a box. Sure, I can believe that scavengers visited Cloud City at some point and found the saber, after which it passed through many hands (no pun intended.) How does a hand that was last seen falling into the depths of Cloud City, if not Bespin to be crushed in the gas giant’s gravity, end up in space, still holding the saber? It’s nonsense, and good riddance.

      • TheAwesomerPrime

        How about Vader had it collected after defeating Luke at Cloud City and it wound up with Kylo, who loses it, then tries to get it back after Finn unknowingly sends out to space with the garbage. Because Finn works in sanitation. I win.

  • Dani Català

    “Obi-Wan Kenobi is not actually strong with the Force. He was average!!!”

    BUT WHY IS THIS A SURPRISE?

    Why does people intend ObiWan to be so powerful and important as a Jedi? He’s just the Jedi Friend, drawn as a cool character because he has relevance to the story and had the bad luck of training the Chosen One. Anakin himself shown of greater habilities already as a Padawan learner in several occasions, and Obi has been a looser in almost all situations:

    – Coruscant chase: They catch the bounty hunter thanks to Anakin jumping from the car.

    – Fighting Jango in Kamino: He loses.

    – First duel against Dooku: Obi is the first jedi down, only by a couple of laser cuts but no limb lost (Finn’s level……..)

    – Battle of Coruscant: Anakin saves Obi from the vulture droides.

    – Second duel against Dooku: Obi, again, is the first jedi down. Anakin wins.

    … and wisely George made Obi win the fight against Anakin by placing the Average Jedi in the high ground.

    I think this is the end for the Rey Kenobi theory.

    • Davis

      Yea, staying a half meter higher instantly leads to defeating one of the strongest force users in canon history. Indeed, what a brilliant idea…
      That was the only thing Maul wasnt instructed by his training. If an opponent is jumping over you after incredibly suspicious nods to a lightsaber, dont just stay there frozen like an old Windows 98…

      • Dani Català

        Thing is, Lucas felt forced to justify that ObiWan could win that fight (regardless how poor is that justification)

        • Davis

          True. I never really liked how any of the PT duels end (except the Grievous vs Obi-wan, that was pretty badass).
          They’ve always felt forced and badly written (like Obi-wan not using his force speed while running towards the gates in TPM). Hopefully the ST will be more coherent with the ending of the fights (TFA’s was ok imo).

          • Ludovic Vinsonneau

            Jedis can be exhausted too, and their ability and endurance with the Force is not unlimited i guess. maybe he chose to not use it. just speculate though.

            • Davis

              Yes, but in that case, why did Lucas put it in at all? Except for one scene in TPM they never used it again in the whole PT… It just feels so incoherent in that way. At least imo.

      • The real reasons are that Obi-Wan knows Anakin better than anyone else in the galaxy, and Anakin is blinded by a potent toxic combination of arrogance and anger, as well as grief and guilt over what just happened with Padme, and not to mention a huge part of him still doesn’t want to kill Obi-Wan. That’s why Obi-Wan won. The half a meter height advantage was circumstantial and almost irrelevant. Lucas certainly could have come up with a better way to portray this on screen but the real drama is what is happening in the subtext, in the music and in the character’s (phenomenal in this scene IMO) acting.

        • Davis

          I never felt any real drama or emotions from the prequels, especially not from the Anakin vs Obi-wan scene. Mostly because we barely know any of the characters and their relationship was never developed on screen and the deeds of the characters were very questionable to say the least…
          In ep I and II Obi-wan was annoyed and angered by Anakin who he didnt even want to train at all in the beginning. They suddenly share some ,,funny” one liners in ep III, because there is supposed to be a tragedy in the end of the movie.
          There is little to no build up to anything in the story or in the developement of the characers, thus Anakin goes from an ambitious, but tempted jedi to crazy psychopat who kills everyone he knew and grew up with, even children from literally one minute to another because he has to obey a monster guy for some reason (even after he admittely can’t save his wife who will give birth in like the next day).
          The duel dosent feel like a tragedy, because the pacing and character developement were so horribly executed, that it feels like watching a bad parody.
          Its ironic how ROTJ 20 years earlier without the advantage of over the top CGI lava effects or ,,hearthbreaking” monologues managed to deliver real drama and way much more emotions than the ,,tragedy” of Anakin Skywalker…
          This is just my opinion though.

          • I understand that point of view as I felt that way for many years, but I guess I feel differently now from having the gaps in the filmic character development filled in by supplementary media like Clone Wars, dozens of novels set in between the prequel films, and even using my own imagination to figure out how the characters must have been feeling in each situation and how it would affect me if I were in the situation. Added onto all that is how much John Williams’ score and Ewan McGregor’s dedication do a ridiculous amount to sell the key moments…now that I have put all those things together in my mind and let them stew for a decade, the climax of Revenge of the Sith is one of the most moving sequences I have ever seen on film and it just keeps getting better and better every time I revisit it. I always find some new nuance that makes it even deeper and richer than ever before.

            • Davis

              I agree with you. If we put the very good clone wars series into the picture it suddenly becomes a lot better. That show was so much more emotional than the prequels, especially the final episode with Ashoka…

              However ROTJ didnt need any ,,patches” to be great. Anytime when I rewatch the duel and the ending scene (with the new music) I immidiately realise again and again why Star Wars is the greatest saga ever created.

              • I feel the same way about ROTJ and I definitely wouldn’t put the ending to ROTS in quite the same category, I just like it more than the average Star Wars fan.

    • USA

      Just more backtracking and revisionist history from Lucas; his comments should be ignored.

      • ValjeanLafitte

        Just another illogical comment from a Lucas basher.

        To recap:

        – Lucas says that Obi-Wan isn’t actually strong
        – Dani Catala cites canon scenes from canon Star Wars films to support this sentiment

        And Lucas is somehow revising history? Um…what? The original trilogy never even says he is strong with the Force.

        • USA

          If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

          • Mason

            Yeah, meaning he becomes one with the force as a force ghost or whatever the hell they’re called, something 99.9999% of Jedi/Sith never manage in the way that he, Yoda and Anakin manage. It says nothing about his power while still a mortal being.

  • Darth Trulane

    The guy in the interview had to criticize the prequel lightsaber battles saying that there was nothing dramatic about them… Yeah… Anakin v. Obiwan had no dramatic quality and no stakes…

    • mosfet74

      It was an awesome fight scene until they started lava surfing and that yanked me right out of the drama. Still liked it overall.

    • TUD

      When the scene goes on for like 40 minutes and the two start surfing on lava and spinning their lightsabers like THIS:

      http://i.makeagif.com/media/7-19-2015/lSyAJf.gif

      all the drama leaves the scene.

      • When I think about what’s going through their heads in those moments and WHY they are spinning without making contact (desperately looking for an opening, trying to get one millisecond ahead of the other in their mutual prediction of what the other is going to do, and all the while a huge part of them doesn’t really want to win at all) there’s a hell of a lot of drama. It’s a chess game played at light speed.

        • TUD

          That sounds to me like you implanting your own excuses onto the scene. Next you’re going to tell me that the lava surfing is somehow Kubrick-level ingenious SYMBOLISM!

          • Ludovic Vinsonneau

            i would say it’s logical and lucky for them there was droids for surfing since all the station is sinking. when they duel on the same surface it’s really tense and dramatic because they can’t move so much. i think this duel (and most of them in general) are really wall handled.

            • TUD

              Maybe if it hadn’t gone on for 45 minutes. It’s too drawn out.

          • HermanBradfordIII

            Implanting excuses? What an awful way to look at Star Wars. The best part about the SW universe is that there’s so much room for the imagination: with the force, with motive, with emotion and the struggle between good and evil/right and wrong. It’s perfectly fine (and i somewhat agree with you honestly, not this scene in particular) for you to not enjoy it, but you’re not the feels police. Let people have their outlook, and you keep yours.

            Cheers

            • TUD

              I shouldn’t have to “imagine” a less idiotic scene. Try not to give non-answers.

          • Bobby Sharp

            Don’t forget the little droids zipping around everywhere….

      • Bobby Sharp

        Hahaha! Well said.

  • Mr_Crankypants

    “The main reason was because many people haven’t seen the Original Trilogy (including the other editor Mary Jo Markey) and this would have been very confusing.”
    .
    The other reason was that it’s a fucking retarded idea. Also, and editor of a feature film made in North America HAS NEVER WATCHED THE ORIGINAL FILM?!! AS IN, THE FILM THAT FREAKING REDEFINED NORTH AMERICAN FEATURE FILM EDITING?

    • origonalname112

      Fucking retarded? I disagree.

    • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

      I now understand how my Dad feels when the NFL started to pick sideline reporters from casting agencies.

      This woman is the Katie Couric or Kelly Ripa of filmaking.

    • In Cinema, those considering a professonal important career of note… Star Wars is considered ridiculous save V. You cant actually believe that people think this is anything more than popcorn serial stuff – just north of cartoon?

  • Ian

    Thats the production title