UPDATE! Indie Revolver Knights of Ren and New Maz Kanata Concept Art!

25 Kylo Ren entersThe lads over at Indie Revolver have released some concept art they say depicts other members of the “Knights of Ren”. Hit the jump to see the latest on this mysterious order.



If you wish to see the pieces in question you can find them HERE.


The concept art is very reminiscent of Kylo Ren’s design with inspiration coming from medieval knight’s armor. Two pieces in particular reminded me of pieces I’ve seen in my past. As a child I visited several famous armor museums throughout Western Europe and as soon as I saw them my instincts kicked in reminded me of 15th-16th century light cavalry helmet called a “sallet”.




You can see similar inspiration in the helmet of what I believe is a reconstruction piece, it’s not a light cavalry piece based on the full plate design of the armor but the helmet still fits.





You can look up “sallet” on google image search and find lots of helmets similar to the ones shown in IR’s concept art. A “crusader” type theme with Kylo Ren has been noticed by several users in the cantina both with the design of the mask/lightsaber and rumors concerning his actions and motivations.



Whether or not these designs were used they are notable in that the Knights of Ren are depicted with lightsabers, something people such as myself have been somewhat unsure on. But I will be talking more about the Knights of Ren at a later date, so until then head over to Indie Revolver to admire the art and post your thoughts here or as always, in The Cantina.







IndieRevolver revealed yet another concept art from The Force Awakens. It’s another look at an early Maz Kanata concept art. You can check it out HERE. As we’ve seen from the second teaser, Maz will look slightly different in the movie.


Maz Kanata


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78 thoughts on “UPDATE! Indie Revolver Knights of Ren and New Maz Kanata Concept Art!

  • August 15, 2015 at 12:32 am

    I dunno, they say these are older concepts of Kylo Ren, reappropriated for the other knights. But why should Kylo Ren look one way and the other knights all another way. Unless each knight gets their own design. Which begs the question: are they all going to wear masks?

    Also: I don’t think the one that looks like a medieval knight would fit in the universe.

    Gotta think about it some more.

    Edit: first! 🙂

    • August 15, 2015 at 2:26 am

      Not all Sith look exactly alike, so why should the KOR? They could each have some unique bits of design but also follow a basic black robed “medieval” theme. Maybe they each have relic armor pieces from the past that they choose to wear. Kylo is specifically said to be obsessed with Vader, so he is probably trying to look more like him.

      • August 15, 2015 at 2:45 am

        And not a single medieval knight looked alike…each of them had his unique custom made armor and helmet. They sometimes looked similar, but never uniform like..

      • August 17, 2015 at 8:24 pm

        I’m still seriously wondering why anyone…whether it’s a relative or not, why they would be so obsessed by a particular person from the past…I sincerely hope there’s cool things behind this stuff but from the onset they make him look like some sort of fanboy or something.

    • August 17, 2015 at 7:47 pm

      It look kinda cool. i dont like him being associated with a knighthood. its better to have him be a lone wolf.

      • August 18, 2015 at 2:16 am

        I don’t know…the dynamics between a group of individuals—including their mysterious motivations & personal vendettas—will serve both the film and the character of Kylo moreso than having him behave according to purely independent ideas. The interactions between the group allow us to see more of Kylo’s thought process (and the way he responds to support/criticism/etc.).

        A “lone wolf” is the type of character that tends to be motivated largely by his/her personal experiences and the emotional response to such experiences. No doubt that’s interesting, but the individual’s reactions to the demands of the group, combined with his/her motivations, creates a much more well-rounded character experience for the viewer…IMO.

        • August 18, 2015 at 6:51 pm

          Maybe he belonged to it and got rejected from the group and is now on a power trip

  • August 15, 2015 at 12:36 am

    A couple of those look awesome. I am reminded of the red guy shown in the maz castle pic. The one who is shown briefly in the behind the scenes footage.

  • August 15, 2015 at 12:40 am

    KoR! BAD ASS

  • August 15, 2015 at 1:00 am

    We are the knights who say “Ren”!

    • August 15, 2015 at 3:43 am

      Oh, what sad times are these when passing Nerf herders can say “Ren” at will to old Twi’leks…

  • August 15, 2015 at 1:04 am

    Only one looks ok, the rest of them are really oversimplified and too much medievil. Hell, even the ancient Sith from the EU looks more advanced than those.

  • August 15, 2015 at 1:28 am

    Some of these are decent. But here’s a question for everyone: we know that kylo Ren is after Luke’s light saber but why? Why is it actually so important ?

    • August 15, 2015 at 1:48 am

      Well I plan on answering that at a later date but you can find bits and pieces of my speculation in The Cantina

    • August 15, 2015 at 10:54 am

      It used to belong to Vader. He’s got his helmet after all.

      • August 17, 2015 at 9:40 pm

        I’d bet it’s the crystal within the lightsaber. Also it’s Vaders first light saber.

  • August 15, 2015 at 1:50 am

    They look awesome!

    Hmm, one of them have a purple lightsaber.

    The one with the robotic arm and unique blade is cool.

  • August 15, 2015 at 2:05 am

    These guys look like the ones in that new shot of the Starkiller base in the Chinese trailer. I remember thinking that they all had Darth Vader shaped helmets.mare these also the guys running in the Falcon? And what about on that green planet scene?

  • August 15, 2015 at 2:20 am

    So are they an occult for Reven? Reven=Ren

    • August 15, 2015 at 2:21 am

      “Revan”, not “Reven”.

      Revan isn’t canon anymore.

      • August 15, 2015 at 2:30 am

        That doesn’t mean they can’t make him canon. He was almost in the clone wars and he and Bane were only dropped because Lucas changed his mind, or corrected the writers, about the Sith living on after death.

        • August 15, 2015 at 3:18 am

          He could become canon doesn’t mean he will. That is still up in the air. As of right now the Knights of Ren are an order outside of the Jedi and Sith and that’s it.

    • August 15, 2015 at 7:38 am

      Ren is the Chinese for “Person”, usually in the context of nationality or faction,
      Zhong-Guo Ren = Middle Kingdom [Chinese] People
      Mei-Guo Ren = American People

      I wonder, is this a name-hint? that maybe the KoR associate themselves as representing “The People”?

  • August 15, 2015 at 2:41 am

    Not to open up a can of worms about religion, but I have a feeling that Kylo Ren’s, “Twisted morality”, will have some parallels to the Christian Imperialist worldview from the days of the Crusades- which was similar to the way the Nazi’s used religion to mobilize otherwise peaceful people to commit and justify atrocities.

    In other words, he will see his own cruelty as being benevolent or righteous (or be completely blind to it) because of his, “faith”, in the purity of his cause.

    • August 15, 2015 at 3:27 am

      You REALLY need to read more of history.

      • August 15, 2015 at 7:39 am

        Okay. I’ll bite…

        Which history, specifically? The history that says the Earth is about 6,000 years old and was created before the Sun or any of the stars? (You know, the same Sun that all evidence indicates existed billions of years before the Earth). The history that says that every species of life on Earth fit in a 400 foot boat? The history with talking animals? The history where the Sun stood still in the sky for a whole day? (Because the people who wrote that history didn’t understand that how Solar Systems actually work). Is that the, “history”, you believe I need to read more of?

        Or is it the phony history invented by a unified and single-minded group of over 40,000 separate denominations trying to gloss over the fact that they have rejected nearly major scientific discovery, since… well… ever?

        Or maybe instead of directing smug, groundless generalities towards people who have at least a fourth grade education and a basic grasp on physical reality, we could just speculate about the plot of Star Wars like grown-ups.

        • August 15, 2015 at 11:58 am

          Accidentally reported; sorry.

          But you really do need to learn more history, and more about Christianity. The Crusades were not what most non-historians seem to think they were. (Neither was the Inquisition, for that matter; the Black Legend is strong in English-speaking countries. Neither is/was the Catholic attitude to science – young Earth creationism in its reactionary form has nothing whatsoever to do with the Crusades, as it arose from fundamentalist Protestantism several hundred years later. On that note, it’s common to have the wrong idea about the Galileo incident too.)

          The Crusades were originally something like an attempt at a rescue mission; the “Muslim” lands they went to were all populated mainly by conquered Christians. Sure, it went kinda sideways now and then, as anything will when humans are involved, but comparing the whole thing to Nazism is just unutterably wrong-headed.

          • August 15, 2015 at 1:49 pm

            Humans are ALWAYS involved- and ONLY humans. That’s what history is. And it went way more than, “sideways”. No amount of apologetics can clean that up. Reducing it to anything less than a campaign to seize the Holy Land as a divine right is revisionist history, at best.

            The similarities to Naziism are, as noted, a use of religion to mobilize people to commit atrocities for a so-called, “Righteous” cause. Hitler used religion and the occult to manipulate the masses, religion was also used in a similar way during the Crusades to inspire knights to seize the Holy Land. Another similarity would be the way Constantine used Christianity in Roman times to unify the Empire. The face of Theocracy is always the same; Empire building and domination under the guise of peity.

            Which brings me to Star Wars (this is a Star Wars site, after all). The original Empire was born through the mechinations and manipulations of Sidious/Palpatine. His tactic was not to mobilize people behind a cause, but to create an army from scratch to do his bidding. The First Order looks quite different, more like Naziism in it’s iconography. I was simply speculating that Kylo Ren’s, “Twisted morality”, might be that he sees himself as a noble crusader- hence the visual similarities to the Crusades in the lightsaber and costume designs (also, notably, of Captain Phasma’s similarities to the look of a Knight).

          • August 16, 2015 at 9:49 am

            The Crusades started because the aggression of the Seljuk Turks was presenting a grave threat to the Byzantine Empire, and the Emperor asked the Pope for help. The Turks were oppressing the Christian population in the conquered lands they ruled, including the Holy Land, and were harassing and murdering pilgrims. Besides, if you want to get technical, the term “Crusades” covers a lot more than just the Middle Eastern ones…

            But I suspect the disagreement here runs deeper than this; I very much doubt it can be resolved via an anonymous public fight in a comment thread. Just… check your sources, question your assumptions, consider your perspective – the usual.

            Regarding your original speculation, I have a suspicion you may be right, and I’ve been worried about it for a while. I doubt J.J. understands this stuff any better than you do.

          • August 16, 2015 at 3:03 pm

            Do you really believe you can do simple damage control for a war that lasted over a hundred years, was specifically known for it’s cruelty, and was the direct result of multiple campaigns sanctioned by and publicly endorsed by the World recognized leader of a religious movement supposedly founded on loving one’s enemies and turning the other cheek? You should work as a PR rep.

            The Crusades were the antithesis of what Jesus taught. They were not a peacekeeping mission. They were a series of bloodbaths carried out for over a century in the name of religion. You seem to think that if you can just explain the context clearly enough, it will somehow justify the campaign and what it represents. It doesn’t.

            So… what are your opinions on Star Wars?

          • August 16, 2015 at 10:21 pm

            What did I just tell you? Check your sources, question your assumptions, consider your perspective. You don’t know what you think you know, and even what little you do know is taken grossly out of context.

            Of course the Crusades were not entirely saintly in execution or even uniformly well-directed; far from it. But that doesn’t make the popular caricature either fair or accurate.

            I’m done here. I already commented on the article topic.

          • August 16, 2015 at 11:25 pm

            Addendum: I apologize; I shouldn’t have gotten involved at all. This is the wrong forum for such a discussion.

          • August 17, 2015 at 2:23 pm

            I agree with your last comment. This is the wrong forum for this discussion. I wish you well.

          • August 17, 2015 at 9:46 pm

            Since when did the Nazis use religion to persuade people to do atrocities? That’s just bs. Also imperialism/capitalism has not ended yet and did not change that much over the centuries no matter which religion they used to justify their crimes.

          • August 17, 2015 at 10:15 pm

            Hitler blamed the Jews for the death of Jesus. By using religious language and symbolism, he rallied the German people against the Jews by convincing them that the Jewish people had not only killed their Christ, but were also a threat to their economy, their values, and their racial purity.

            The Swastika symbol was originally an ancient Eastern symbol that was adapted by the Christians in the Middle Ages as a type of cross.

            Also, Atheism and secular institutions were banned by decree, as were religious groups at odds with the traditional form of Protestant Christianity that was practiced in Germany at that time.

            So it’s actually not BS at all. It’s history.

          • August 18, 2015 at 12:52 pm

            Oh boy. The Crusades although not perfect (the sacking of Constantinople being a good example of what NOT to do.) were designed as a defensive measure against the Islamic world which was violently pushing into Europe. It was also a defensive measure for Christians going on pilgrimage to the Holy Lands. Whom were of course being slaughtered. They weren’t about bloodbaths for the sake of it. Note I’m not saying things went well or that people didn’t take advantage of the scenarios. Thievery, murder, etc. did take place. It was all condemned and rightfully so even by St. John Paul II apologized for some actions taking place during the crusades. Which wasn’t the intention of the Crusades to begin with.

          • August 18, 2015 at 4:31 pm

            “Oh boy.”

            It doesn’t take much research to uncover the role religion has played in our history. Those with a vested interest in how that history affects public opinion regarding their own religion, unsurprisingly, seem to always want everyone to focus on the bright side- while the atrocities supported by the facts are magically brushed aside, excused, or atoned for hundreds of years after the fact.

            Oh boy, indeed.

          • August 18, 2015 at 1:06 pm

            What’s really funny about Constantine was that he actually believed in Arianism I think until his deathbed when I converted himself. He basically used Christianity (and finally making it legal to believe since it was still underground at the time) but he himself didn’t believe it fully until his last days.

          • August 18, 2015 at 3:28 pm

            We can observe human behavior, listen to and repeat spoken words, but how can we KNOW what anyone truly believes?

            Intent. Belief. These are the parts of history that always remain highly interpretive. All we can do is make educated guesses based on the evidence.

        • August 18, 2015 at 12:43 pm

          Wow, suddenly you think I’m a fundamentalist because I call you out on your misunderstanding of history. I actually believe in an older earth to be honest. I believe a lot of Genesis is actually metaphor and is instructed to be such. The 40,000 denominations is actually false although I agree that even if it’s a false number that we have too many denominations in the world. When Christ himself only wanted 1. All of this just reads like someone who only knows Christians from televangelists. Go figure.

          • August 18, 2015 at 3:06 pm

            Actually, I have worked for and with Christians for most of my adult life. Almost exclusively, actually. Most are decent people that I have a great deal of respect for- even if I do disagree with some of their beliefs.

            But I have also had to deal with folks who fall into a different category. People who feel threatened by others who don’t trust THEIR ‘sources’. People who feel the need to insult someone’s intelligence, instead of just stating that they personally disagree. People who say things like, “Challenge your assumptions”, while having no intention to do the same.

            I don’t know exactly what you believe, but if this is your tactic for sharing your opinions, don’t be surprised if you keep getting the same negative results.

            By the way, do you plan on sharing your opinions about Star Wars- or should we just keep discussing your religious beliefs?

          • August 19, 2015 at 5:39 am

            >>People who say things like, “Challenge your assumptions”, while having no intention to do the same.

            The irony is thick here…

          • August 19, 2015 at 3:23 pm

            “The irony is thick here…”

            People who lose arguments throw stones because that’s all they have left.

          • August 19, 2015 at 3:40 pm

            btw- Why don’t you continue your fascinating theological re-interpretation of history on another site? I actually come here for Star Wars news, not apologetics.

            (My original post WAS about Star Wars… remember?)

          • August 21, 2015 at 7:57 am

            >>People who lose arguments throw stones because that’s all they have left.

            Let me get this straight: You bring up a known “can of worms”, we exchange a few preliminary words on it, we both decide it’s the wrong place for the discussion and leave off…

            …and now you’re claiming I lost the argument.

            Just so we’re clear, the “irony” I was referring to is that when I asked you to question your assumptions, you immediately made – and published – a completely baseless (and false) assumption about my own willingness to do the same.

            The thing is, you haven’t presented me with any new information, anything that challenges what I currently think based on the scholarly literature I’ve read on the subject. You have, however, given me a very strong impression that you’re relying on popular misinformation I’m already familiar with. So there is no reason to expect me to show any sign of “questioning my assumptions” during the foregoing discussion, any more than I would in a discussion with a schoolboy who was angrily convinced that an airfoil works because the air flowing over it has to go faster than the air flowing under it so that they’ll meet up at the trailing edge.

            >>your fascinating theological re-interpretation of history

            This isn’t a reinterpretation. I’ve been trying to tell you you’ve got your facts wrong.

            But you don’t seem open to the possibility. That, as much as the inappropriate circumstances, is what prompted me to leave off the argument.

          • August 21, 2015 at 9:08 am

            I’m sorry; I’ve said too much. I just can’t think of a good way to get this across…

          • August 21, 2015 at 3:51 pm

            “we both decide it’s the wrong place for the discussion and leave off…”

            We decided that on Aug 16th. I was responding to a comment you left on the 18th- after we had already agreed to end the discussion.

            Finally, you left this:
            “I’m sorry; I’ve said too much. I just can’t think of a good way to get this across…”

            I agree. Let’s just be adults about this and stop here. You trust your sources, I trust mine. It doesn’t make one of us stupid or morally inferior. I appreciate your feedback on my original comment and I wish you well.

            Let’s hope for a great new addition to the Star Wars series this December!

          • August 22, 2015 at 7:59 am

            >>Let’s hope for a great new addition to the Star Wars series this December!

            I can get behind that.

            J.J.’s said a lot of promising stuff. Here’s hoping he can back it up…

          • August 18, 2015 at 4:38 pm

            “According to Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, there exist roughly 43,000 Christian denominations worldwide in 2012. That is up from 500 in 1800 and 39,000 in 2008 and this number is expected to grow to 55,000 by 2025.

            Currently, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary estimates that a new Christian denomination is formed every 10.5 hours, or 2.3 denominations a day.”

            I’m sorry, it seems my estimate was low.

    • August 15, 2015 at 10:02 am

      Actually, as a Christian, I agree with your statement.
      Christianity has been abused by the power-hungry basically since day one. The Bible actually mentions and predicts this very thing, warning that there will be many who do great damage in Jesus’ name and that we should be wary of them.

      Hitler, to some extent, played upon German Christianity as a means to get them against the Jews, but that guy was a compulsive opprotunist, saying: “The Jews are bad, as Christians, you should hate them, I am the expert, = if you are Christian [i.e. everyone at the time], follow me. This is exactly what the Bible saw coming. This has no relationship to actual Christianity, it’s just the greatest common denominator which is a super-easy card to play – to this day in US politics. And, as we speak, doing stuff “in the name of the Lord – THROUGH ME” [aka give me your money] is destroying the Christian Church,
      so I actually sympathize with your notion.

      Christianity is not really a good comparison to the KoR, but it’s the only comparison in our living memory. I’m sure there were plenty of people who created world-ending legions in the name of Baal or Bhudda or Allah, Christianity is just the most obvious comparison due to the whole “took over the earth in the name of the Pope” thing.
      Though it’s a bit specific of a comparison. Religious Opprotunism is by no means exclusive to Christianity – and if you ARE gonna go making comparisons, why not the [non-Monty Python] Spanish Inquisition??

      • August 15, 2015 at 2:46 pm

        “This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere. Explain again how sheep’s bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.”

    • August 15, 2015 at 2:56 pm

      Can of worms… opened.

  • August 15, 2015 at 2:44 am

    Maybe these knights of Ren are just dark side adepts, and not real masters. After all if the rule of two was followed, and palpatine plus vader died there is no one to else left after to train new sith. Who would teach them. Knight(s) suggests there is many of them so no more rule of two. Or it could go `from bad to worse` – meaning they are even worse than sith.

    Or maybe they are a different flavour of sith. Like religions have different sub-groups but they still worship same. Their order could have been in direct competition with the main sith. Or their order is so ancient and secretive and hidden away at the far end of galaxy, that they`ve only just been discovered.

    • August 15, 2015 at 3:08 am

      Or… the true nature of the Force is revealed to be morally neutral and can only be fully realized by those who embrace ALL sides- not just those who follow the Jedi or Sith religions.

      • August 15, 2015 at 3:43 am

        Knights of Ren will most likely be the equivalent of dark jedi. It doesn’t matter what they call their group. They will go out of their way to achieve their goals. I seriously doubt it’s some secret order that brings some new ideas about the force.

      • August 17, 2015 at 10:09 pm

        Jedi and Sith are not religions. They’re ways of life. Anyone can join the church of this or that. To be Jedi or Sith you’d have to be Force-sensitive *AND* willing to follow their ways.

        As for the true nature of the Force, this has already been clearly established in the saga: the Force just is. It is like fire: a source of energy that can be used for heat and light or for destruction.

  • August 15, 2015 at 2:59 am

    This SW is going to become sth new as the bring these “Ren” faction into it, cannot wait until December to see it

  • August 15, 2015 at 3:17 am

    JJ’s a big fan of Naruto, I see.

  • August 15, 2015 at 3:44 am

    Would you look at those green screens.

  • August 15, 2015 at 4:03 am

    Korean TV left an alternate view of the First Order parade in front. In it, there appears to be the Knights of Ren in the very front left and right of the stage, in black. Look up “First Order Parade” on Google if the resolution isn’t good enough.

  • August 15, 2015 at 4:37 am

    If Vader taught us anything it’s that once you go to the dark side of the Force it’s possible to come back. You’re not doomed to forever be dominated by it. Contrary to what Yoda and Obi Wan believed. It’s possible that there is no true dark or light side of the Force. It’s like any tool it can be used for good or ill.

    • August 15, 2015 at 8:03 am

      I think the intent is Vader is the exception; like up until Vader it had never happened before. That’s what makes it meaningful.

    • August 15, 2015 at 6:13 pm

      I don’t think Ben Kenobi believed that the dark side would forever dominate someone’s destiny. I believe he forsaw that Luke would bring Anakin back and therfore sacrificed himself so that the two would confront each other. He knew that Luke would not turn and Vader’s love for his son was stronger than the dark side.

  • August 15, 2015 at 10:06 am

    I guess this confirms that the force users of this era will take on a more medieval type role as opposed to the samurai one of the PT.

  • August 15, 2015 at 10:09 am

    Anyone else super-intrigued by the NON-RED Lightsaber in the concept art?!


    I wonder, is this guy ACTUALLY the villain? Or is he a grey character?
    This sounds like SW, make a villain whose mid-way between good and evil, thus the purple lightsaber, but then just before production, JJ decides Purple VS Green would be too confusing, and just outright gives the baddie Tradition Red Color-coding for the sake of the audience’s clarity.
    Is it possible that this guy started out and might later become – an anti-hero?
    More likely, Kylo THINKS he’s the anti-hero.

  • August 15, 2015 at 5:18 pm

    40% of those concept sketches are identical to the character skin for the dark side ending of TFU. The mask, the mechno arm, metal claw fingers.

    Nothing seems original about them.

  • August 15, 2015 at 6:48 pm

    Oh These look fantastic! I especially like the one that has very plain circular eyeholes (TFA 3)

  • August 15, 2015 at 7:51 pm

    Hmmm. Reminds me more of the Knights of Ni.

    • August 17, 2015 at 2:59 pm

      This knights of ni thing is getting really old now. Give it a rest. Its becoming too predictable.

      • August 17, 2015 at 3:45 pm

        To that sir, I have but one word, and that is ni

  • August 17, 2015 at 2:47 pm

    Ok… if its through that device that we get the flashback, then I’m all right. Thats the only way we can have flashbacks in star wars

  • August 17, 2015 at 5:19 pm

    People think she has huge bugs bunny eyes.

    I say it’s white face paint over her eyelids.

  • August 17, 2015 at 6:53 pm

    Dear Maz the spaz,

    Pommel first, not the emitter end on a pass-off! Seriously.

    Blind Padawan

  • August 17, 2015 at 7:18 pm

    Ugh damnit that Maz Kanata concept piece is so good. The look has so much more character to it than the final design, with with the big mouth, long neck and the wrinkled skin and everything. From the glimpse of Maz in the trailer it just looks like a typical alien that’s orange. sigh

  • August 17, 2015 at 7:29 pm

    Reminds me a lot of the Uruk Hai masks. Cool.

  • August 17, 2015 at 9:30 pm

    Skywalker Force Crystal obviously in front of Maz in that concept art

  • September 2, 2015 at 12:05 pm

    The Star Wars universe is filled with powerful villains of all shapes and sizes including Sith Lords, bounty hunters, and gangsters. Lucasfilm may have gone Order 66 on the Star Wars Expanded Universe but here s why Clone Wars and Rebels are must-see shows in preparation for Episode 7.

  • September 5, 2015 at 7:09 pm

    There are obvious parallels with Kylo Ren and the Knights of Ren and the First Order with Medieval Crusaders.
    So if the First Order are Crusaders, does that make the New Republic the Turks? I’m not liking the implications here.

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