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Force Ghosts: The Clone Wars – The Lost Missions Q&A With Dave Filoni and Leland Chee.

Force Ghosts

The official Star Wars Youtube channel posted a new Star Wars: The Clone Wars – The Lost Missions Q&A video with Dave Filoni discussing the concept of Force Ghosts…

 

From Youtube:

Yoda’s story arc in The Lost Missions explores the idea of Force immortality, establishing that Qui-Gon taught Yoda how to become a Force ghost, and Yoda taught Obi-Wan. One fan asks Dave Filoni, who would have taught Darth Vader?

 

“That’s a big question I had for George [Lucas],” Filoni says. “And I have an answer. But I’m not going to give it to you.” Filoni points out however, that it does have to do with a change Lucas made in the Special Edition of Return of the Jedi, which sees Anakin reverting to his young self in death. “It doesn’t make sense mythologically for him to maintain the guise of the old man afterward in the Force, because he was never good…when he was that person.”

 

Lucasfilm’s Leland Chee points out, however, that Yoda talks to Anakin about these mysterious events — almost as if he’s planting the seed of Force immortality in his mind. “Yes, Leland,” Filoni jokes. “Darn, you’ve figured it out.”

 

 

 

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  • Anonymous

    I disaggee with filoni in this video

    • Anonymous

      I also disagree with Filoni. He turned when he kills Palpatine.

  • WaveWolf

    I always assumed Palpatine tought him: it’s the sectet of immortality he talks about in ep III. A secret that, as we saw in clone wars was held by the sith, for Yoda has to travel to Morriban to find out what Qui Gon was talking about. And Qui Gon knew it because he was studing the ways of the sith, against the will of the council.

    • Anonymous

      Looks like we could see the Emperor then in The Force Awakens?

      • Anonymous

        Nothing is out of the question.

    • Mythamuel the Ominous Cookie

      SO… anakin kills Palpatine, defeating the dark side, and then turns right around and uses a Dark Side Power to fulfill his Jedi Ghost destiny?
      I’m having trouble finding any part of this theory that makes sense.

      • WaveWolf

        I never said is a sith power. Just held by them, as shown in Clone Wars

    • Anonymous

      Lucas stated that the Sith can´t achieve immortality. They can´t be a Force Ghosts. The door was open for Jedi Anakin, no for Sith Anakin.

  • Sarlacctose Intolerant

    I guess chucking the Emperor down that shaft and saving Luke counts as “never being good as an old man”

    Seems legit.

    • Anonymous

      I think the brief ‘older self’ redeemed the more established and iconic ”younger self’. The one that the OT alludes to mostly.

  • greedo737

    They need to pull their heads out of Lucas’s ass already!

    • It would be refreshing if they had just said: “You know? we don’t have an answer for you. There are a lot of holes in the story line that we’re trying to plaster over right now so let us get back to you in a few minutes when Chee makes up a reasonable excuse.” Perhaps that is why Chee is the keeper of the keys. He’s just good at covering Lucas’s ass. Filoni is such a clown though. #fuckyoudavefiloni needs to start trending.

      • Anonymous

        Lucas thought all this up. A large production team brought it to life. It would be a shame for a creator to not have some kind of influence on his ‘brain child.’ Respect to the artist and intellectual property.

  • Anonymous

    That’s typically Filoni, Lucas little clone. Of course he has to side with the big original, even though it wasn’t only stupid it was also a huge middlefinger to Shaw. George Lucas was disrespectful and so is Filoni (not to mention the first crappy seasons of TCW and the depictions of characters like Quinlan Vos). I am looking forward to the day, Filoni has nothing to do with Star Wars anymore.

    • yeah.. and his stupid hat.

    • Anonymous

      Hail Rick burman and J J Abrams!!!

  • Quinten

    Holy shit, I never considered who taught Anakin how to become a force ghost. If everyone is saying its obviously Palpatine, then that implies Palpatine could easily show up as a force ghost in TFA. But to me, it’d make more sense if Plagueis’ ghost is who taught Vader without Palpatine’s knowledge. Assuming Anakin really was a creation of the force influenced by Plagueis, it’d make sense that Plagueis would want to check in on his creation; or even his creation’s offspring like Luke? Andy Serkis playing Plagueis doesn’t seem so crazy anymore. I’m also very curious who is the acting emperor during the time period of TFA. Someone is ordering those stormtroopers around. Maybe Gwendoline Christie? I’d say Max Von Sydow but all the rumors surrounding his character make that unlikely.

    • Well who taught Qui-Gon then if we’re jump up this rectum?

      • Quinten

        Lol good point.

      • Anonymous

        The EU books explain it all. Or at least gives you some clue and indication. But now it comes down to what these guys say.

  • Quinten

    I do disagree with Filoni about Anakin reverting to his younger self, but that doesn’t mean Filoni is an idiot GL clone. Filoni has done an amazing job at expanding and perfecting a lot of what GL tried to do in the prequel trilogy era. But yeah, GL disrespected the hell out of Shaw, lets not forget that.

    • Anonymous

      Now that we know who the “good” Anakin is it only makes sense to revert to the actor/character that defines the story more. Older Anakin wasn’t really established. When the helmet came off he looked pale and barely recognizable. The ghost looked looked like A new older self. It was a good to get the young Anakin as a consciousness. It definitely opens everything up regarding the ‘the Chosen one’s’ role in future productions.

  • Breakfast saber.

    He said can’t tell you? This points back to plageus! Palps learned from plagius spirit while obi wan learned from qui gons spirit! Heh heh. The book has been retconed but episode 3 is canon so the only question is who or what got killed by Palps if plagues is indeed alive? My guess is a planted clone body?

    • ClaymationYoung

      If there is a clone of any sith or jedi in TFA, I think that may ruin the movie for me. The cloning of Palpatine was always the dumbest part of the EU. Kasdan and J.J. can be more creative than that.

      • Anonymous

        If there are no Jedi or Sith in the story, its not really Star Wars then. Or maybe only partially. Cloning technology may have been destroyed. Perhaps Kamino was destroyed. Are cloners common place? If so, is it possible to clone midi chlorians?

        • Hard Case

          In episode one of The Clone Wars, there is a scene, where Yoda is talking to a few clones. He recognizes that their genetic makeup is identical, yet he states that they are very different in the force, which implies that force prowess and sensitivity is somewhat unique to the individual. However, it can’t be completely autonomous as it is also implied by Yoda and Obi-Wan that the Skywalker twins have great potential in the force because of their father. So can midi-chlorians be cloned? Who knows?

  • Yeh I’m pi $$ed

    Such bullshit what the did to Sabastion Shaw’s cameo at the end of Return is sick and shame on them that man conveyed more raw emotion all together in 3-5 minutes of screen time than Hayden Christianson did in both clone wars and revenge combined, when I saw Sebastion Shaw’s performance I envisioned a more stoic and honorable yet flawed and mentally disturbed, so much opportunity wasted when casting Anakin… sad business really.

    • Anonymous

      Couldn’t agree more.

    • Greg Kirby

      Then you should be ticked off the fact they replaced an actor with a cgi Jabba the Hutt, but get real man.

      As for this force ghost nonsense. When you die you turn into a ghost, simple, no-one teaches you.

      But whatever…

      • Retrotek

        No because that actor was hired as a stand-in to be replaced with something else from the beginning, Shaw was not.

    • Anonymous

      Hayden Christensen wasnt in the clone wars douchebag.

  • thereisanother

    So let’s say Lucas used the near 50 year old Anakin(at the end of ROTJ), would he not be a bald and scarred force ghost relying on a life support system? Since indeed that’s the way he died?

    I think Lucas went with the obvious choice of using Hayden. But I guess I’m the minority on that. And that’s fineee

    • Anonymous

      I agree with you. Hayden makes more sense in that scene than Sabastion Shaw.

      Anakin never was old and normal looking.

      • thereisanother

        Exactly

    • Anonymous

      That still doesn’t explain the “child molester” smirk.

    • Matt

      I like to believe that we perceive their ghosts as Luke experienced them. They are unique to each individual. Luke had never known his father as a young man which makes it ridiculous when he looks upon a total stranger.

      • Anonymous

        but he did get to know a small part of him. Vader had good in him, he felt it. and he looked at him unmasked. Thats enough in my estimation.

      • Anonymous

        Luke never seen Sebastian Shaw face. Only mutilated parts of his face.

        So id does not have any sence. Hayden has more sence.

  • Matthew Coury

    uh yeah he was good…when he killed the emperor! anyway..here’s the new sith http://i.imgur.com/51cZYPM.jpg?1

  • Who taught 2-pac how to be a hologram?

    • Michael Jackson

      You’re all just ignorant

  • Anonymous

    I hate to see all the Filoni hate. That guy is awesome, however, I also love all that GL did and/or has done. So all this hate towards Filoni must stem from GL haters, IMO.

    • Talon Karrde

      Yeah, this inquisition kill the messenger BS is crap. I mean, he answered why the clones aren’t in the OT without having to resort to the EU to explain it, and no one gives a frak. But when he opts not to give one of Lucas’s crap explanations (because he’s probably cooking up something BETTER for a future TV show) everybody suddenly thinks he’s George Lucas II.

  • Noah-Juan

    This was what I said before in the cantina about Filoni saying GL said sith cant be force ghost. I’m glad this video finally came out to help support the “no sith ghost” fact.

    • Anonymous

      Siths can get in your head. They can control the mind and thoughts of lesser people. They can conjure up things that doesn’t have to be real. In CW Sidious and Dooku almost broke Yoda by using combined strength to break him psychologically and spiritually in a very ‘realike’ parralel outcome. Real or not, the breaking of yoda was a “very” real consequence, but in a ‘force level” realm of mind.

      Obi Wan was able to pose as a Krayt Dragon using the Force. In the minds of Sand people the Dragon was real. We even heard the Dragon off camera. Thats a cool and powerful trick.

      If obi Wan can make a Krayt dragon appear then SW can pretty much make anyone or anything appear to serve the story.

  • DEKKA129

    “It doesn’t make sense mythologically for him to maintain the guise of the old man afterward in the Force, because he was never good…when he was that person.”

    That’s nonsense. Anakin came back to himself right at the end, and made peace with himself and his son as “that person”. There was absolutely no reason to paste Hayden into that shot other than to try and shoehorn a PT reference into the movie.

    • Anonymous

      Agreed. As a matter of fact, Hayden should not have been in any of the movies at all. They should have gotten someone who looked somewhat like Luke, and who could act. They should have also fired the director and the editor!

    • Anonymous

      Vader at the end never was normal looking person. He was mutilated cyborg. So there is no sence in keeping old Anakin who looks normal, when he never was that person. He was normal only when he was young, before Mustafar.

      So Hayden is right choice.

      • Anonymous

        I don´t mind have there Sebastian Shaw, but properly, bold, mutilated, without legs and one arm. But That would by tricky to do I guess… :-)

  • DarthDisney

    Regarding how Qui Gon was able to retain his identity after death: According to Yoda’s cut ROTS dialogue, QG learned the secret of “the ancient Order of the Whills”.

    In The Annotated Screenplays, George Lucas said:

    “Originally, I was trying to have the story be told by somebody else; there was somebody watching this whole story and recording it, somebody probably wiser than the mortal players in the actual events. I eventually dropped this idea, and the concept behind the Whills turned into the Force. But the Whills became part of this massive amount of notes, quotes, background information that I used for the scripts; the stories were actually taken from the ‘Journal of the Whills.”

    Interestingly, even though the concept of the Force ended up replacing the original and somewhat nebulous idea of the Whills back during the writing of the original Star Wars, the following deleted dialogue from Revenge Of The Sith indicates that, since then, George has gotten some new idea in his head of how the Whills and the Force could now actually coexist within his universe:

    QUI-GON: (V.O.) Patience. You will have time. I did not. When I became one with the Force I made a great discovery. With my training, you will be able to merge with the Force at will. Your physical self will fade away, but you will still retain your consciousness. You will become more powerful than any Sith.
    YODA: Eternal consciousness.
    QUI-GON: (V.O.) The ability to defy oblivion can be achieved, but only for oneself. It was accomplished by a Shaman of the Whills. It is a state acquired through compassion, not greed.

    …then a short time later:

    YODA: (continuing) Master Kenobi, wait a moment. In your solitude on Tatooine, training I have for you.
    OBI-WAN: Training??
    YODA: An old friend has learned the path to immortality.
    OBI-WAN: Who?
    YODA: One who has returned from the netherworld of the Force to train me…your old Master, Qui-Gon Jinn.
    OBI-WAN: Qui-Gon? But, how could he accomplish this?
    YODA: The secret of the Ancient Order of the Whills, he studied. How to commune with him, I will teach you.

    These quotes tell us that George no longer sees the Whills as ‘god-like observers’ existing outside of mortal events. Rather, they are now a race of beings that exist within the mortal realm, who actually figured out a way to retain their consciousness upon dying, even to the extent that their secret was somehow available for Qui Gon to investigate while he was still alive. And upon his death, QG happily discovered that their teachings were true; that he was indeed able to ‘defy oblivion’. Another clue indicating how George currently envisions the Whills can be found on page 72 of The Making of Revenge of the Sith:

    “George remarks to Rob Coleman that the story of Star Wars is actually recounted by R2-D2 to the Keeper of the Whills, one hundred years after Return of the Jedi.”

    This statement further informs us that, even though Yoda said the Whills are an ancient Order, they are apparently still very much alive and well through the PT and OT eras, and beyond! …So I’m guessing this mysterious “Order of the Whills” is finally going to be “introduced” into the saga, and that the “awakening” must somehow be in reference to them. The idea of an “awakening” in the Force goes all the way back to scene 46 in George Lucas’s original draft of The Star Wars:

    INT. ALDERAAN – CRYSTAL CHAMBER

    Three SITH LORDS are on their knees praying before a shining crystal placed on a tall altar. They mumble a strange electronic chant.

    1ST SITH: Darth, did you feel that?

    Darth stands and stares at the crystal.

    2ND SITH: Was it an omen? What is it?

    VADER: Something old has been awakened. The Force has suddenly grown stronger. We must travel future paths with caution.

    They file out of the chamber.

    • DEKKA129

      Excellent post, DarthDisney! Tons of great stuff there. ;^)

      I found this bit to be particularly interesting:

      “The ability to defy oblivion can be achieved, but only for oneself. It was accomplished by a Shaman of the Whills. It is a state acquired through compassion, not greed.”

      To me, this adds even more weight to the argument that Lucas should have left Anakin’s ghost alone in ROTJ. Because Anakin’s return from the dark side was driven entirely by compassion for his son. And his final thoughts before passing on were his wish for his daughter to know, as Luke did, that there had indeed been good in him.

      In other words, he died in a state of compassionate concern for his children. If compassion is the path to eternal consciousness, then it seems that Anakin was right there at the moment he passed. And with Yoda and Obi Wan there to meet him and nudge him in the right direction, it makes perfect sense to me that he’d appear as a pristine version of himself at the age of his physical death.

  • JJ

    Well when you are a jedi then you can return as a force ghost.

    But that was before the dark times before the PT.

  • Darth Muff-Diver

    But how did Gui Gon discover this after death? If he did then couldn’t someone else do the same thing? Also, if Gui-Gon didn’t teach himself and was taught this, who taught him?

    • Anonymous

      Quigon and Darth Plagueis were after the same thing in around the time of The Phantom Menace. He was on to something that the Jedi Council were not even fathoming. This definitely gives Qui Gon some redemption since he did have a unique connection the force in part by his role in the path of “the Chosen one.” No one else could see it save for his seemingly defiant and hard headed point of view.

  • Ryan

    Sooner or later, probably after GL is long gone, Disney will reboot the prequels and we will once again have balance to the force.

    • Tatooine feet

      Lucas probably put stipulations in the agreement with Disney and in his will that no one be allowed to ever reboot anything. He’s probably already made Kathleen Kennedy swear she never permit a reboot either.

      It would be cool for someone to redo episodes 1-3 PROPERLY though.

    • Talon Karrde

      I sure hope so. I left this fandom for 10 years after Episode II.

  • Amythull

    Anakin was a prodigy of the Midi, the individual forms of the midi-chlorians, who serve the whills of the force from the meadows of time.

    Anakin did not need to learn about the force ghosts, he just needed to remember, & this happened when he killed Darth Vader. Anakin had fallen to the place, that Qui-gon & Yodo, Obi-1, had to learn to achieve. Anakin was a prodigy initially, & this steemed from that he was actually one of Amythull’s closest associates to begin with with.

    • Mythamuel the Ominous Cookie

      This is actually a good theory,
      still doesn’t explain why Anakin’s ghost looks a creepy adolescent who just took your wallet though :/

      • Amythull

        Well I like it :)

        & although Anakin’s abilities are now much limited to a few force ghost/neatherworld travels, he is the key to Leia’s final attainment in the return of Amythull’s Governing new planet order, which due to Leia’s ascent is able to manifest the powers of the planets from the beginnings to the mortals of the universe by the end of the sequel trilogy.

  • Anonymous

    God Star Wars was so much cooler before the prequel trilogy. When Jedi die they can come back as force ghosts. That’s just the way it was.

  • YOOOO DOUGH

    I hate that the deep parts of the force need to be explained! It ruins it! Midiclorians ruin it! THIS OCD STORY TELLING NEEDS TO STOP! Leave somethings to the imagination! What makes us wonder is the unknown. Let us wonder!!!!!!!

    • Deckard Solo

      You are correct.
      However, being I still persist with Star Wars Canon and Legends, I apply my own filter.
      I pick, choose and create my own Canon.
      The power Star Wars has, comes and goes.
      But it is “Awakening” again and I’m interested to see what kind of Hash is in the pan.
      Will Star Wars have an abundance of gems in the future? I can only hope.
      I know in writing classes, it was always said that once your finished, that you can’t rewrite your work or sit and explain things to your reader. That is what your finished work was to do.
      But Lucas always had his commentaries, special features on media platforms, and his Special Editions to further explain, but its a Pandoras box or a Hydra situation the more that is said in and of the confusion.

  • Alex

    The main villain will be Plagueis. One of the leaked concept art illustrations depicts a young woman with a blue lightsaber (probably Daisy´s character) along with another figure who wears a black cloak and holds a red saber. That´s Plagueis for sure. Plagueis is a Muun, and that figure certainly looks like a Muun (the shape of the head, the bald). Plagueis almost got killed in the book, his throat was severely injured, and he was forced to permanently wear a device on his mouth in order to be able to breath. A mask, just like the character in the concept art. Although the EU as we knew it is no more canon, and the related toys aren´t being made anymore, the action figure of Plagueis is still in production. Google an image of that figure and compare it to the piece of concept art i´m talking about. They are the same.

  • @greedo737

    Another direct insult and you will be banned.

    • greedo737

      But you’re not going to delete rimjaba’s post? Seems like you’re just picking on me.

  • Anonymous

    If anyone’s interested the daily mirror of Britain has posted an immense spoiler article the film by all accounts it a juice fest :-o

  • BazNaboo

    Anakin was what? In his thirties when he turned to the dark side and Luke was let’s say 20 that would make yer man Annie 50 / 55? But old dark helmet looked like he was in his seventies only old Ben looked his age this is my observation and I’ve never heard it spoke about before.

    • thereisanother

      Anakin was in his early 20s when he became Darth Vader

  • Anonymous

    Anakin is a Force ghost because Yoda and Obi-Wan helped him achieve it. That’s straight from George Lucas’s mouth in the DVD commentary for Episode III. As for him appearing as the young Anakin, that’s necessary to side-step a moral dilemma: Vader was a vicious murderer of children, and many would say he shouldn’t receive forgiveness, which immortality with the good guys could be seen as. By reducing him to his younger, pre-Dark-Side-embracing self, it’s not the murderer who is forgiven. (This still leaves the problem of the Sand People, I suppose, but I guess the Force doesn’t consider them worth worrying about.)

  • Anonymous

    Is it possible the the Max Von Sydow character is an old Anakin Skywalker. Could Luke have managed to keep him alive after the ROTJ? This could be why Van Sydow has the cyborg features. Maybe the good Jedi in him left his body and became a force ghost. Now he lives on Tatooine in hiding to protect Daisy Ridley character (his grand daughter).

  • Anonymous Pork Rinds

    Not sure about all the force ghost explanations. It was kinda cool when it was just simply mysterious and unexplained.

    Now everyone has their own interpretations on how shit should be and how they interpret Lucas’ explanations. Lucas complicated things in the first place by trying to explain every little detail when it really wasn’t necessary to do so. There’s too many holes and inconsistencies to try and justify with a bunch of weird or bs explanations.

  • Hard Case

    Here is why i think GL put Hayden C. in the force ghost scene in ROTJ (aside from the fact that he was trying so hard to blend the two trilogies)…Sebastian Shaw (original Anakin) was almost 80 years old when ROTJ was released (actually older than Alec Guiness). GL opted for a younger Anakin in the PT and as an effect, Darth Vader is supposed to be 45 years old in ROTJ (far from 80). The scene works a little better with all the makeup of the scarred pale-skinned Vader, but the older normal Anakin looks weird when you realize he is supposed to just be 45. I think this was a ret-con on GL’s blunder of making Anakin (and even Obi-Wan) so young in the prequels. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Qui-Gon Jinn character, but I think it would have flowed better with the OT if it had been Obi-Wan and Anakin on the Trade Federation ship in the opening of TPM. We didn’t need Anakin’s back story…we didn’t need a prophecy…the first film was spent setting all that up, when it could have been used to develop Anakin as a character and begin a slow descent into darkness instead of the abrupt turn in ROTS. I am not a prequel hater, I enjoyed them. However, that would have made more sense to me. Forget 9 yr old Anakin and start the PT with an already 20 something Anakin and 30 something Obi-Wan. Their characters could have been older to begin with, had more time to develop, and would have made more sense in light of the OT.

    • Mythamuel the Ominous Cookie

      BOOM, my sentiments exactly!

      also about the over-explaining of da’ force; I agree less is more.
      Think how lame Pulp Fiction would have been if they showed the contents of Mr. Wallace’s breifcase only to reveal it was just gold. the director had the good decency to cut that explanation out.
      Wish George and crew could leave their stuff as it is,

    • Blue Milk of Tatooine

      That sounds decent. I agree though about the ages of Obi-wan and Anakin, they are all fucked up in the prequels, especially Obi-wan. Because as it is now, we are supposed to accept Obi-wan really aged alot from how he looks at the end of ROTS to the beginning of ANH. The only explanation I’ve ever seen (a ridiculous one at that) is that the harsh sun and environment of Tatooine is the cause of Obi-wan’s rapid aging. This is a lousy excuse but just another example of a hole Lucas had to patch up to make everything fit.

      You can’t really blame Lucas that much though. I mean, how the hell was he supposed to know SW was going to turn out to be a huge hit and would allow him the opportunity to present the backstory of the prequels.

      • Anonymous

        makes total sense to me

      • Anonymous

        Obi wan travelled near the speed of light flying in hyperspace, causing him to age differently in relation to other elements. (If that should make him younger still then I give up!)

        • Revenge of Salacious

          But he’s already on Tatooine at the end of ROTS with baby Luke. I don’t think he travelled that far. Why wouldn’t the aging affect baby Luke? Not only that, but if hyperspace had that kind of effect on age, wouldn’t every character going through hyperspace be affected?

          My god, it’s incredible this is actually a topic of conversation. Is it possible Lucas just enjoys instigating nerd arguments.

  • Fallon Tagge

    Disney should redo that last scene in RotJ with an actor who looks like an older (45 years old) Anakin who hasn’t been chopped and burned all to Sheev. Would have made more sense than either Shaw (who was WAY too old) or Christiansen (who was too young)

    • Anonymous

      Anakin was normal looking last time only in EP III. So he was young, he was Hayden. So it is right to keep Hayden.

    • ope

      Nope. Hayden is more logical in that scene

  • Retrotek

    Just to reiterate what has clearly been stated that there was indeed good in old Anakin and he ended his life repentant of the evil he had done after doing the good deed of tossing the emperor. Case close, CHANGE IT BACK!

    So yeah, Filoni is full of baloney.

    • Anonymous

      So you would like an old man in robotic suit?

      • Anonymous

        Hahaha, robotic parts being one with the Force? :-) Sorry, you can´t mean it seriously. If there´s a 45 Force Ghost Anakin, he has to be with one arm only and no legs!

  • Anonymous

    This is all a bunch of side-stepping and tracks-covering because the prequels made a serious mess of things. There was no thought given to continuity. Whatever looked or sounded cool was just added and now we are force-fed ridiculous things to try to “make sense” of things. Let’s just call a spade a spade… none of it makes any sense and it’s just kind of broken now.

    They can feed us all kind of garbage about how this works, but it’s all just a bunch of of retconning. Too far gone for those of us who can think this through logically and don’t drink any kool-aid served.

    My only hope is that the Abrams version of Star Wars just ignores all this stuff and stops trying to explain it all. Someone pops up as a force ghost? Great. Don’t tell me why or how. Someone uses a force power never seen or something? Great. Don’t tell me why or how. Mysterious is the right methodology here. Lucas lost that on his way to the PT. For some stupid reason, he catered to the nerds who like to draw up diagrams of the internal exhaust ports on a Star Destroyer and then argue the logistics of why it doesn’t work. No… we DON’T HAVE TO KNOW HOW EVERYTHING WORKS! Sometimes less is more. And he found that lesson out the hard way with his explanations of EVERYTHING sacred in the PT and the Clone Wars series. Now everything has to be tied out and back and forward and sideways and it’s a huge freakin’ mess. Nice.

    Again, let’s just hope J.J. takes the approach of simply ignoring this stuff. No more explanations.

    • Anonymous

      Nice review

  • Derth Nadir

    “…because he was never good… when he was that person.” Yes he was. There is no way around that. And I would argue that Anakin in his EP3 look was less good and more on the Dark Side than Shaw as Vader at the end of Jedi.

    The only good reason I have heard for Hayden replacing Shaw is that it gives those kids who know Hayden as Anakin a chance to see their old hero back on screen. We never knew Shaw as Anakin except for that brief scene, but having Hayden back ties the two trilogies together, and it gives that version of Anakin a chance at redemption rather than an old man we only briefly saw at the end. It also has a “new birth” feel to it. Yoda and Obi-Wan are fine with who they became in the end, so they appear as they were, but Anakin desires to fix the choices he made in his youth, so he manifests himself as he was just before making his fatal choice.
    I’m growing more used to it the more I see it.

    • Blue Lightsaber

      The real reason to cover up Shaw’s face was because Lucas did not want to continue to pay royalties to Shaw, and most likely had a better deal with Christensen

      • Anonymous

        Shaws been dead for twenty years.

  • Anonymous

    Do you think luke would like fatherly advice? Maybe we will see young force ghost Hayden giving old Luke wise advice. That would be a lovely way to get Hayden into the new films!

    • Anonymous

      I wouldn´t mind at all seiing Force Ghost Anakin again. I imagine a small jedi council – including all ghosts (counting Qui-Gon as well, because he learnd it from Yoda and ObiWan) and Luke…

  • Darth Watto

    Yeah, that would be cool. “Hey Luke, make sure your medical droids are stocked with extra human body parts”
    “Also, don’t hit on chicks before finding out their background, you never know who you may be related to”
    “Don’t prejudge little green aliens who act senile”
    “And lastly, don’t ever trust that backstabbing mf Obi-wan or Ben or whatever he’s calling himself these days”

  • that’s still a complete nonsense, if he was able to retain his younger self in his spiritual form how come he turned good when he redeem himself from his evil doings before his last breath, and how come Qui-Gon Jinn didn’t join the party with Obi-Wan, Yoda and Anakin, sorry but I call bullshit on this one and is totally disrespectful to Sebastian Shaw

  • Max Rebo quits band

    Qui-Gon didn’t join them because he was a rebel that would ignore the Council at times. Obi-Wan even says this in TPM. Plus, Yoda never really liked Qui-Gon and thought he was just a pain in the ass. It’s actually Yoda and Obi-Wan who ditched Qui-Gon. They decided, “Shhh, let’s go force ghost call Luke when Qui-Gon steps out”

  • mutantyoda

    What a bunch of over-explaining crap. In the Blu-ray ROTJ ending all I think about now is that Luke is thinking: “Hey Yoda, Hi Obi-Wan … and who’s that creepy-looking spirit dude?”

  • Anonymous

    Anakin should never have been a force ghost.hell in the lost missions the witches even explain it. how no one knows this secret and only yoda and Quigon were chosen…