Speculation/Rumor: Crucial Scene in The Force Awakens Described?

Adam-Driver-Star-Wars-7-Villain-Rumor1A few days ago, we talked about three rumors regarding Luke Skywalker’s role in Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens. While this gave us a greater bearing on what the direction of the story of the Sequel Trilogy might be, we still didn’t quite understand the context of one scene, which featured Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, and Adam Driver’s character. However, we now have some information about the scene that could quite possibly be the climactic moment of the film.


I cannot stress this enough: should these rumors be true, you could be in store for some major spoilers.


Okay, I’m not kidding around when I’m saying that this is pretty huge spoiler (if the rumors are accurate). This is your last chance to turn back.


Luke & Han

Let’s start off by discussing the bombshell that came from the angriest of the three sources: the 4chan one about Han killing Luke to save Driver (described in the previous report). However, the 4chan leak would appear to be off according to our sources (this is by no means a complete dismissal of the 4chan rumor, as information in the first half of the post does line up with several of the rumors that have been discussed).


Edit: I see there’s a confusion in the comments of this article. What follows has nothing to do with 4chan. The 4chan rumor was described in the previous report and is quite the opposite of this one.


This come from the aforementioned article’s comment section. The first one is an anonymous user:

Luke will not die. It’s the other way around.

There is a fight at the end. Luke wants to kill Driver and Han steps in. Luke then kills Han which brings Luke back to his sanity. Han with his dying words begs Luke to let Driver live, to trust him that everything will be alright and the he won’t succumb to the Dark Side.

Luke trust Han and does not kill Driver – which will be a big mistake as we will see in Episodes VIII and IX.


Sith_seize_Korriban1Another thing:

The artwork with the cyborg holding Vaders helmet in his hands is pretty accurate. This is the end of the movie. Luke beats Driver up pretty good in the fight. He has a scar in his face and his right hand will be cut off by Luke. After the funeral of Han, Driver will be in Lukes quarters, wearing a mask and a robe and he holds Vaders helmet in his cyborg hand, eyes blazing…


Another anonymous user chipped in:

“The force awakens” (in a bad way) in Han & Leia’s son Adam Driver after he sees Luke kill daddy Han. You know this to be true… 🙂


If these assertions are true, then what we’ve learned about has been turned upon its head – Luke kills Han in the confusion of a conflict with Driver’s character instead of the other way around. I find it a little tough to believe that plot details so crucial could be leaked so long before the film’s release, but based on the “crazy old wizard” Luke theory that’s been gaining prominence, I think that this could serve as the emotional/dramatic climax of the film.


Special thanks to Cantina user Willybobo for pointing the presence of two messages out to us.


Note: As mentioned above, this story comes from an anonymous source. We don’t know how credible he/she is. Nevertheless it’s a fun piece that fits with the other Luke story we reported before. Actually this one even makes more sense. This could very well be a fan speculation so keep that in mind.


But also keep in mind that the image with the 3 characters described HERE does exist! Will it end up in the movie or not and what exactly it depicts is clouded.


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Grant has been a fan of Star Wars for as long as he can remember, having seen every movie on the big screen. When he’s not hard at work with his college studies, he keeps himself busy by reporting on all kinds of Star Wars news for SWNN and general movie news on the sister site, Movie News Net. He served as a frequent commentator on SWNN’s The Resistance Broadcast.

Grant Davis (Pomojema)

Grant has been a fan of Star Wars for as long as he can remember, having seen every movie on the big screen. When he’s not hard at work with his college studies, he keeps himself busy by reporting on all kinds of Star Wars news for SWNN and general movie news on the sister site, Movie News Net. He served as a frequent commentator on SWNN’s The Resistance Broadcast.

116 thoughts on “Speculation/Rumor: Crucial Scene in The Force Awakens Described?

  • November 16, 2014 at 7:11 pm

    Didn’t read lol. Strong will.

    • November 16, 2014 at 7:20 pm

      I really doubt these rumors, so I bet you didn’t lose anything by not reading.

      • January 3, 2015 at 5:23 am

        Luke wouldn’t kill his father. He will not be killing Han. Good-bye Star Wars if that happens.

    • November 16, 2014 at 9:44 pm

      Me too PPP.
      And i have only read your post 😉 LOL

  • November 16, 2014 at 7:22 pm


    • November 17, 2014 at 12:49 am

      Akkor innentől mehet magyarul… 🙂

  • November 16, 2014 at 7:24 pm

    Yes this sounds much better.Anyways mind blown beyond KABOOOSH ! Well this is certainly a good reason why he would turn dark.

    • November 17, 2014 at 6:14 pm

      Why do they say “anyways” when it should be “anyway”? Why do they say “could care less” when they mean “could NOT care less”?

  • November 16, 2014 at 7:28 pm

    Sounds interesting but as it is stressed, this is just speculation based on anonymous sources. It’s only a spoiler if it’s confirmed information, otherwise, it’s just a theory, nothing more. Inaccurate info is not a spoiler, NO ONE knows until the movie is released how things will turn out. These rumors do sound pretty cool though—lots of potential emotion and intensity neither previous trilogy had. PT could have had emotional/tense scenes but it didn’t translate that way on film unfortunately. For example, one would have thought Anakin’s turn to the dark side would have been intense but instead it felt weird and fell flat on film. Not a PT hater here, just wish it could have been presented better that’s all.

    • November 16, 2014 at 11:05 pm

      The younglings was such a heavy, sad scene though.

      • November 17, 2014 at 3:58 am

        Yeah it would have been even more so if they had shown the lightsaber going through the children like what happened to Qui Gon.

        No, I’m just kidding of course! Please, no crybaby comments.

        Instead of Luke killing Han, maybe they should reveal Luke had to “take care” of Lando and this in turn pisses off Han. Maybe Leia should kill Han, would that work better? You know, maybe there are divorce issues or something in the galaxy far, far, away…..

  • November 16, 2014 at 7:29 pm

    Han Solo WILL die

  • November 16, 2014 at 7:31 pm

    Read rumors these before on the forums. Sounded fake to me then, still sounds fake to me now. It’s a bad tribute to Han and a lazy referral to old mythos in an attempt to take advantage of overused iconography. It’s going to play flat in theaters if this is truly THE climax of the film.

  • November 16, 2014 at 7:34 pm

    I really like this rumor. I think it would make for a great start to the trilogy.

  • November 16, 2014 at 7:39 pm


  • November 16, 2014 at 7:40 pm

    Ford wanted Han to die in Jedi. It makes perfect sense that he would only agree to do the sequels if Han gets off’d, and in an important, sacrificial way. If I recall, he wanted Han to die in ROTJ by sacrificing himself to save his friends. Now he gets to save his son. Makes sense to me.

    • November 16, 2014 at 9:10 pm

      I was gonna say the same. Totally agree with you. Plus Ford is older than the other cast, it would make sense it would be tough for him to film the next two. And as an actor he would rather commit his time in other films than being locked down to Star Wars.

      • November 17, 2014 at 2:54 am

        Indy 5 maybe? ;D

      • November 17, 2014 at 3:20 am

        Star Wars always has the presence of veteran actors. maybe not the main ones but highly reared ones. Tarkin, Obi Wan, Yoda: old puppet, generals etc. Age is not an issue in SW.

    • November 16, 2014 at 11:45 pm

      You’re right about this story. But it was a long time ago, when Ford’s career was at its top. Things are different today. I don’t think that what he wanted 30 years ago is relevant now.

      • November 17, 2014 at 2:51 am

        Keep in mind that it is possible that they already filmed scenes for the next movies. Saves time and injury.

  • November 16, 2014 at 7:41 pm

    I thought this was going to be a fun adventure in the vein of EPISODE IV. Said Han Solo.

  • November 16, 2014 at 7:42 pm

    As long as Han dies and Luke lives. If Han lives and Luke dies I will just weep tears of mind-blowing stupidity

    • November 17, 2014 at 2:53 am

      Luke will never exit the Sequel trilogy, Jedi ghost or not!

  • November 16, 2014 at 7:43 pm

    (Bangs head). Indie Revolver said it was nice to show some restraint with Star Wars news on the Internet. I think he was being sarcastic. Why go back to 4chan when they are just trolling now? Ugh.

    How about posting the Force Ghost Yoda rumor. Gabriel Grey, talks about it. It was mentioned by Kyle a few months ago. Some of his rumors are lining up with Grey’s, while others conflict. There we see the Mystery Box in action again.

  • November 16, 2014 at 7:44 pm

    I like it – it ties in with rumours of Luke going crazy from having visions of the future and exiling himself. If he truly believes that by (spoiler!), he will prevent the future happening, it plays out well that Han will intervene.

  • November 16, 2014 at 8:08 pm

    Anybody falls for that scenario has to be extremely gullible. That’s something a 12 year old fan would come with.

    • November 17, 2014 at 12:44 am

      Best comment I’ve read on this site in a long, long time…clap, clap!

    • November 17, 2014 at 3:42 pm

      The Phantom Meanace was something a 12 year old would come up with.

  • November 16, 2014 at 8:12 pm

    Sounds more like “The Fan Fiction Awakens”
    than it does like Star Wars.

  • November 16, 2014 at 8:25 pm

    if true, then some SW fans may actually choose NOT to see the ST. you can’t do this to two of SW’s most beloved characters: han and luke.

  • November 16, 2014 at 8:27 pm

    Makes no sense. Luke does not kill Han, that’s ridiculous. Han might die and Adam Driver thinks Luke killed him, but no way does Luke intentionally or accidentally kill Han.

    • November 16, 2014 at 9:14 pm

      From a script standpoint it would be more vital to have Luke return in episode 8 since the film is about the Force. So seeing Han die makes sense.

    • November 17, 2014 at 12:26 am

      Whooops, sorry Han, may lightsaber just kinda went off by itself. Here Chewie, just throw him in the back of the Falcon and let’s get going.

      • November 17, 2014 at 3:31 am

        Han: “That’s two you owe me, junior.” ANH
        “Hey, Luke, thanks. Thanks for coming after me. I owe you one” ROTJ

        I highly doubt the rumor because it would piss on the bond between them in the OT.

    • November 17, 2014 at 8:52 am

      Luke means more to Han than Han’s own son?

  • November 16, 2014 at 8:32 pm

    i guess this scene will mirror the ROTS scene with Mace (Luke), Anakin (Han), and Palpatine (Adam) and the ROTJ scene with Emperor (Luke), Vader (Han), and Luke (Adam).

    looks like JJ and company are setting up a showdown between Jedi and Sith “armies in training” in episode IX.

  • November 16, 2014 at 8:40 pm

    That’s crap. Luke killing Han? Hope it’s not true.

  • November 16, 2014 at 8:44 pm

    Harrison ford begged Lucas to kill off Solo, looks like he got his way

  • November 16, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    I think Solo will die and will go out all guns
    blazing in a BIG scene.

  • November 16, 2014 at 8:48 pm

    I think the Jedi Hunter rumours are closer to the truth.

    So here’s my rumour to mess with
    Adam Driver is the Inquisitor from Star Wars Rebels.

    He looks tall enough to play the part.
    Maybe Drivers not a Solo but one of the bad guys.

    • November 16, 2014 at 9:55 pm

      The sources on this site, say there are no Inquisitors in the movie. Maybe they should put a sticky post confirming what are concrete rumors they think are true. It can be very confusing for new visitors sorting out whats a joke and whats truth.

  • November 16, 2014 at 8:51 pm

    It’s as good a rumour as any….sad thing is that for 90% of the people who read articles on this page they’ll never enjoy the new movies as much as they could and won’t get what they want out of the new films as nothing will live up to what’s in their head

  • November 16, 2014 at 9:36 pm

    Oh man! So difficult not to read the news… and so difficult not to read your commentaries…;)
    Dark side is over me…
    But I did it!!!!

  • November 16, 2014 at 9:44 pm

    If the picture of the cyborg guy holding Vader’s mask is true, it feels like it should be one of those end of the film/as the credits roll (or even after) where we THINK everything is OK but find out it’s not… to set up the next movie.

  • November 16, 2014 at 9:49 pm

    This is the plot of the Tobey Macguire Spider-Man movies.

  • November 16, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    The force is strong with me

  • November 16, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    Is it truly that luke kills han or more of han steps in to save his son and luke inadvertantly strikes han in crossfire and in dying words tells luke to not kill his son? I can’t see luke willfully killing han. It’d be more tragic as accident also.

  • November 16, 2014 at 9:58 pm

    This sounds vastly more plausible than the previous rumour.

    Since the movies were announced and knowing what is known about Ford’s attitude to SW, I expected this sort of thing either at the end of 7 or the start of 8.

  • November 16, 2014 at 10:30 pm

    This rumor’s not worth the effort. Now come let me get you something.

  • November 16, 2014 at 10:40 pm

    Will be something like this: Luke wants to kill A.Driver, and when Luke is throwing him a power of force to kill Driver, Han gets in the way, being wounded. They want to heroically save her son and dies without Luke really wants to kill him!!

  • November 16, 2014 at 10:57 pm

    Enough with this Ford wanted Han to die in the past so he will now crap. That over thirty years ago people! Things change. Ford isn’t the star he was then and doesn’t have the fear of being typecasted now that he did then either. I bet he couldn’t care less if Han lives or dies as long as his price is met.

    • November 17, 2014 at 3:06 am

      “If money is all that (he) loves, then that’s what (he’ll) receive”

      • November 17, 2014 at 3:11 am

        Han: “I expect to be well paid. I’m in it for the money.”

        • November 17, 2014 at 3:13 am

          Luke Skywalker: “What good will it do us if he gets himself killed?”

          • November 17, 2014 at 6:17 am

            Boba Fett: He’s no good to me dead.

          • November 18, 2014 at 7:51 am

            The empire will compensate you if he dies

    • November 17, 2014 at 3:47 pm

      I don’t think his desire to see Han die in Jedi had anything to do with his fear of being typecast; why would it? It had everything to do with his view of the story, and how Han as a character would best serve that story. Far from him changing his mind, I think it more likely that he’s solidified that view over the years, and agreed to the sequels only if Han dies in a way meaningful to the story.

      Thay said, who knows if this rumor is true. All I’m saying is that it is certainly consistent with Ford’s previous statements regarding Han. And given that he is by far the biggest star with the biggest clout going into these films, if that’s what it took to get him to commit, I’m sure the filmmakers obliged.

  • November 16, 2014 at 11:07 pm

    Rumor is JJ does a cameo as a storm trooper and dies near the end of the first film… Or so my sources says….

  • November 16, 2014 at 11:30 pm

    Bah, one says one thing, one says another. It does make more sense to me that Han would die rather than Luke, what a stupid move to kill off Luke Skywalker in the first of a new trilogy..

  • November 16, 2014 at 11:31 pm

    Haha, so not true.

  • November 16, 2014 at 11:42 pm

    kill em all , i dont care , as long as the story is good they can do what they want.

    • November 17, 2014 at 10:12 am

      Let their characters go out like bumbling idiots.

  • November 16, 2014 at 11:56 pm

    I believe that Han dies due to the fact that he’s never been very fond of the role, and because of the new Indiana jones movies, but I feel like it would make the most sense for driver’s character to do it because I don’t think any of use want to see Luke in that light, and it will make us perceive Drivers character even more “evil” due to the fact that he just killed his own father

    • November 17, 2014 at 2:58 am

      Remember Luke, Han and Leia have many enemies out there in the SW galaxy. What if some of them come back 30 years later to haunt or destroy our beloved OT characters?

  • November 17, 2014 at 12:41 am

    As unlikely as it seems, it might be Luke being killed. Bare with me on this theory… I’ve been thinking about the reports of an explosion in the sky scene that happens on Tatooine. Perhaps one of the binary suns is destroyed (or explodes) symbolizing the death or eventual death of one of the skywalker twins. The conceptual artwork that shows a planet similar to Tatooine is A LOT darker in tones, so maybe it represents Tatooine after one of the suns goes out. My imagination is probably just getting the best of me, but that’s part of the fun of not knowing what’s going to happen in OUR new movie.

    • November 17, 2014 at 4:01 am

      Oh man, that’s… interesting. What if this cataclysm from previous rumor that Luke is going to bring to the Tatooine is destroying one of its suns?

  • November 17, 2014 at 1:28 am

    ***New Spoiler Alert***

    It is not Han who is killed, nor Luke doing the killing. it is *****. Killed with the candle stick by the butler.

    I might be someone in the know.. and I know that you all know NADA. Pace.

    • November 17, 2014 at 2:18 am

      5 letters?
      I knew it…Its Chewy!!!
      Na, its Lumpy.

      • November 17, 2014 at 6:26 am

        Oh no! Wait a minute… C-h-e-w-i…E! Six letters! That was close! <|O

        CHEWIE: Phew…. I mean, Raarrgghh….

  • November 17, 2014 at 3:00 am

    LUKE: Chewie’s gonna be PISSED…. <8O

  • November 17, 2014 at 3:03 am

    Harrison Ford wanted to kill his character since Episode V, the only way he signed to do Episode VII it is because he should do that long ago, and this is his chance for fanilly kill Han Solo… He’s not doing an VIII or a IX Episode. Im sure. Also, this story is like all the EU being told in a great cinematic final scene. Now I believe Anthony Daniels when he said what he said about Episode VII

    • November 17, 2014 at 3:10 am

      Does anyone know for sure how many films each actor has signed for? I think Ridley and Driver are signed for 3 films. Boyega should be in a 3 as well. But what about the Big 3.

      This is the only thing I’ve seen so far. If you can get this info fixed then all these premature death rumors can end once and for all. Or if certain people “in the know” on Twitter can just spill the beans already we can all be on our way. 🙂

    • November 17, 2014 at 6:18 pm

      The only reason Ford signed on was because of the pay and this is the biggest role he is likely to get, and today more so than Indiana Jones.

  • November 17, 2014 at 3:13 am

    If Han dies then Chewy has to die too. A suicide mission to save Luke? I can imagine a Falcon cockpit scene where it becomes obvious how things will turn out. A knowing glance or even a heartfelt ‘I love you’ between the two of them before the Falcon flies into ultimate destruction would be a fitting and very emotional scene. Han & chewy are so beloved that original fans will be shocked, upset and floored by it all. This will add such weight to this film that it will surpass any of the others for emotional intensity.

  • November 17, 2014 at 3:32 am

    They will not kill off Han at Luke’s hands, the primary reason, mainstream audiences (non SW fans) adore Han and if word got out, it would affect long term B.O. on a negative note, period. Han would have to be either cut down by a bad ass villain, or during some space battle, the MF saves the day but back at base, they await the return of the MF but they realize it’s/he is not returning, akin to fighter plane or bombing runs during WW2 and this would have to take place in the middle film.

    To verify this theory I asked 6 friends and family members, each loved the films but aren’t hard core SW fans. “If you heard that one of the original characters met their end, which one’s death would cause you not to see the film,” 4 outright said Han, 2 said they would see the film anyway.

  • November 17, 2014 at 3:51 am

    I don’t want to see Han being killed by Luke.

    Luke killing an entire tribe of Jawas, falling to the dark side, randomly causing earthquakes – that’s ok for me. Maybe even Luke redeeming himself later.
    That is what would most probably happen for him “in real world”.. The Force is strong with him, but he was mentored in its maintenance for too short a time (4 years from New Hope?), yoda dead, kenobi dead, all jedi dead – I suppose that after ROTJ he can mostly count on himself, he has no Jedi Council to consult on what he should do; as his power grows, he mostly learns by the way of trial and error… he may not want to risk astabilishing the Jedi Order anew himself (does he remember it?) – until SOMETHING happens in ep. VIi and since then he teaches Ridley or Boyega, who may already have obtained their lightsabers, but use them to pick their noses and open beervm cans, and who – if at least one of them is force-sensible – may not really get the Force correctly at all, something like Ezra from Rebels or even worse.

    (The Force Awakens. So that means cultivation of it’s ways was forgotten in the Galaxy far and wide; the force have been sleeping for a long time, maybe except Luke hiding under a rock and… his openly Dark Side yet unknown counterpart doing the same, whilst more likely to pass their teachings to someone else? On the other hand, the lightsabers are more popular than ever, as we’ve heard).

    Nevertheless, I don’t want to see Han killed by Luke. And i woulld enjoy it more if there were no melodramatic motivation for Driver being a villain. It should just be his ambition and lust for power, his overall sumbitchery and douche.

    Driver’s grudge against the Jedi for losing his father, leading him to the dark side, is a cliche that can turn out something as flat on film as Anakin’s rapid shift to Vader. Do not want! Make the villain really evil by his mind quality almost from birth, please. A rising villain that I’d like to see next should not need such an emo firestarter to be shown for us before we can even learn of his evil ways.

    Everything have been decided upon, so now only time will tell. But for the death of Han from the hands of Luke, they have to make up really hard with, say, overall movie greatness, and new fascinating characters. If Luke kills Han, then he should die in VIII or IX.

  • November 17, 2014 at 4:12 am

    This rumor was false before because the original poster mentioned Mon Calmari as being in the movie where Luke has exiled himself to. The most well connected online sources out there appear to say there is no water planet in the movie.

  • November 17, 2014 at 4:54 am

    I think Adam Driver’s character will viciously murder Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, Lando, R2-D2, C-3PO, all other Solos and Skywalkers, and the Millennium Falcon. And he’ll do it all within the first 20 minutes of The Force Awakens.

  • November 17, 2014 at 5:18 am

    To be blunt, if these rumors are true (and that’s a big if) I think it sucks…Who wants to go to a new movie only to see your childhood idol killed off in the first film of the new trilogy?

    It seems so forced/obvious to kill off Ford’s character in the first film. I truly hope this rumor is false.

  • November 17, 2014 at 5:29 am

    Its star wars lol bound to be a twist, not everything is as it seems, I haven’t read through all the previous posts where, this may have already come up! The possibility that Driver is the one! Solo comes to the demise by the hand of his own son, not Luke? and in the battle, chewie looses his arm, limbs have been lost throughout the trilogy lol TPM doid limbs, AOTC Anakins arm, ROTS most of anakins limbs lol ANH canteena alien, ESB Luke’s hand, ROTJ Vader’s hand, Episode 7 chewies arm and RIP solo

  • November 17, 2014 at 6:12 am

    If Leia’s Ka (Egyptian term for spirit double) is to join with her in it’s multiplicity of the astrological portals, through her achieved symbionts with the Midi by episode 9, in joining together for the returning ascension of Amythull & her Guardian planet spirits from the beginning, for the final defeat of the ultimate neverending undead Sith Empire of the sequel trilogy…..then it’s unlikely that such a Star Wars straight up and down character institution like Han Solo is going to go to waste for an episodic 7 death moment.

  • November 17, 2014 at 6:57 am

    If these rumors are accurate then JJ Abrams will live up to Oppenheimer’s quote. This was my fear when he was named director. He has already ruined the Star Trek story and will have done so to Star Wars as well. It could be a sad day for sci-fi fans.

  • November 17, 2014 at 7:08 am

    If true, it makes Luke look inept. “Kira” would too, for trusting him to train her, no matter who she is. He might accidentally off her, too.
    If they’re working on a Han Solo spinoff, killing Han makes it sort of anticlimactic. “This is Han – before he was accidentally killed by his friend.”

  • November 17, 2014 at 9:02 am

    I don’t believe in this rumor. JJ wants to recapture the spirit and fun of the OT and a lot of that fun comes from the banter between Han and Luke. No way they make Luke kill Han during their reunion…

  • November 17, 2014 at 9:20 am

    Remember the early rumours of han wielding a lightsabre again? Perhaps he takes it up to fight Luke? Would make for an interesting fight-scene, especially if Han joins it with his superb blaster skills…

  • November 17, 2014 at 9:55 am

    Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

  • November 17, 2014 at 11:53 am

    They all (Big 4) head down trash incinerator with artoo attempting to shut down the ignition systems. They all hold hands.
    Lando shows up with Clone Aliens (Ugnaughts) and attempts to crane out our heros, but is too late.
    He calls Daisy/Kira (with 3po) on the comlink and says… They told me they fixed it. I trusted them to fix it! Its not my fault!
    Daisy/ Kira…Noooooooooooo!
    C3po….Oh My!
    The End

  • November 17, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    I have a lot of trouble with Luke killing Han under any circumstance, but *maybe* I’ll buy that crazy wizard Luke accidentally kills him because he can’t control his power…Even then, that’s a risky thing to try and sell SW fans. I’m going to say Luke doesn’t kill Han. All these rumors are officially out of hand already.

  • November 17, 2014 at 3:38 pm

    Anyone thinking this entire new trilogy venture is a *major mistake*? Luke’s hand found, Luke going a bit crazy, Inquisitors ‘invented’ into past continuity, and now the rumor Han is killed by Luke????

    Sheesh – this seems like Disney destroying George Lucas’ creation. I dunno, perhaps the saga should have been left alone – six episodes only. If this all goes wrong it will forever taint the original trilogy. The warning signs are definitely there. Disney won’t care about quality control if they think they can make a fast buck out of the franchise.

  • November 17, 2014 at 3:48 pm

    This is clear subterfuge. You can put these rumors together and conclude that since this is near the end of the film they shot multiple versions of it. There is a good chance not even the actors know which one they are going to use. My guess is they use a third one they shot with a barebones’ crew.
    Han solo is one of the 2 or 3 most popular characters in film history, killing him is not as easy as some might think.

  • November 17, 2014 at 4:10 pm

    If this is true, then it will basically ruin everything Star Wars for me. Having Han die a hero’s death is completely ok, but to have his good friend Luke kill him, that would really be a major downer, especially right before Christmas.

    I understand they want to shake things up and all, but is that really the way to do it?

    Also, having Han and Leia’s son turn to the dark side seems to Close to the EU.

  • November 17, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    Sounds like fanfic extrapolated from that image, plus certain others like the one showing Adam Driver in a Rebel pilot flight suit. I do believe that Driver starts good and turns evil (or starts apparently good and is revealed as evil). I wouldn’t put it past them, especially in light of Ford’s supposed desire to be killed off in this episode, to kill Han off in TFA. Here is why I don’t think this scenario will happen:

    1. Even if Leia and Han aren’t together, even if they are on the rocks, I would think that if her brother is killing Han, she would be present somehow.

    2. Star Wars has done the whole “Force User Turns Dark Because Non-Force-Using-Parent/Spouse Dies” a bit too often. But again, that might not stop them from making it so.

    3. Number one reason? Luke and Han? Without the Falcon, it isn’t a fair fight. Massively powerful Force user vs. old guy with a blaster? The fight would be nasty, brutish and short.

    4. And what about Chewie? I could see Chewie with a lightsaber fighting Luke before I could see Luke simply dispatching Han.

    5. They have to know fans would never accept good guy Luke murdering good guy Han. Unless they want riots.

    6. The promise extracted is to keep Luke from killing Adam because the latter MIGHT turn to the Dark Side? Have they time traveled or something? And even if they have, this is Mr. “I Feel the Good in You, Father! I’m not going to leave you, I’ve got to save you!” “You already have, my Son…” If anything, Luke might stop Han from killing his own son – that would be much more in character and much more interesting. But that isn’t the spoiler.

    I think we’ve been had again! 😉

    • November 17, 2014 at 5:41 pm

      I think you are exactly right. I thank you for pointing this out. I will make one exception. I do not remember Harrison ford ever saying he wanted to kill Han in this episode. He said he thought Han should die in the last one. He never said he should be killed now. This is a different story. Also, why ask for a three film arc for your character, August of last year rumors, if he’s going to die in the first film? It makes no sense. Movies have these scenes in them all the time and they always end the same. Han is about to kill Luke because he’s kind of insane, Luke is about to kill han because he’s kind of insane, and at the last moment, the sound of Han’s voice or something he said brings Luke back. To have Luke kill Han or visa Versa would destroy the series for me. I don’t know if I could ever watch another Star Wars film. Hell I might burn the one’s I have.

  • November 17, 2014 at 6:10 pm

    Reads like a bad fan fiction.

  • November 17, 2014 at 6:35 pm

    OOOOH, it just hit me.

    Here’s a quote from wookieepedia regarding the EU and Jacen Solo’s fall to the Darkside.

    “Shortly afterward, Solo inadvertently revealed his connection to Lumiya to Ben Skywalker, ironically by teaching him how to hide his presence in the Force. Skywalker, shaken and distraught by the revelation of his cousin’s turn to the dark side, confided the information in his mother, Mara Jade Skywalker. The former Emperor’s Hand was outraged by her nephew’s deception, and especially how her son was used as a tool by the Sith. Mara, convinced that Jacen Solo was incapable of redemption, attempted to assassinate the apprentice before he could ascend to the rank of Master. Her efforts to murder Solo not only ended in failure, but also strengthened his resolve to sacrifice a loved one as a final rite of passage before becoming the new Dark Lord of the Sith. When Solo killed Mara during their encounter on Kavan, Lumiya was more than ready and willing to perform one last act of service for her apprentice; she would take the blame of Mara’s death, thereby distracting the Jedi and giving Solo the time he needed to consolidate his power base.”

    I want to point out this little nugget: “sacrifice a loved one as a final rite of passage before becoming the new Dark Lord of the Sith.”

    Yes it is EU and dealing with characters that are not existing. However, if they are to convince the audience of Driver’s evilness, then perhaps he is the one who kills Han.

    Think about it, Driver has a lightsaber, he needs to sacrifice someone he loves in order to complete his turn to the Darkside. He kills Han, his father, with his lightsaber, but no one knows that Driver is a Sith so the blame falls on the crazy Jedi Master, Luke Sywalker.

    Somehow Luke finds out and they engage in a battle, Driver escapes, but severely injured, thus leaving him as “the grave robber” holding the mask of Vader and his eyes glowing yellow, fully given over to the Darkside.

  • November 17, 2014 at 7:25 pm

    From a Post Ardnt 4th draft rewrite

    Out of respect for the fans/film makers , no narrative arc will be noted.

    Again, [Spoiler Caution]

    Villain(s) / Max Von Sydow – Darth Plagueis

    While Max has been announced as a cast member, he won’t actually make an appearance in this film. Disney had an outline for the entire trilogy from the beginning and knew about Plaguies being vital to the story (how do you top the Emperor, anyway.) Due to his age, most of Max’s scenes would be filmed during Ep. 7, since his availability may be limited (or non-existent) in future episodes. He’ll likely be seen via holograms in the next film (ala ESB) before finally appearing in the flesh by Ep9…his death being the climax (and likely filmed with stunt doubles.)

    Sith Protectors

    Lupita Nyong’o – Vena [in early script]
    Christina Chong – Ova [early script]

    The dichotomy of two (Master/apprentice) will be slightly different in this film, due the shift in mythological themes. A single underlying evil remains, though is surrounded by ‘protectors’, who also serve as spies/liaisons. The classic aesthetic of these film’s can’t be overstated and they’ve referenced early McQuarrie art for The Plaeiguies lair. Early draft had him immaterial, communicating through the force to susceptive minds (see Vodemort.) Since the dark side in this film is more stratified, several key characters fall victim to Plaeiguies’ scheme.


    Gwendoline Christie – General Vos [early script]

    Despite the passage of time, and much like real world politics, the Galaxy is still not at peace. Even though the Empire as we knew it has been overthrown, several individuals [factions] have split, remaining loyal to the prior regime. In a sense, there are rebels on both sides. Since they lack a dictatorlike leader, the Imperials basically operate as a police state, headed by General Vos. It’s important to note that the relationship here is less good and evil and more a tense rivalry [think a more vitriolic Republican/Democratic dichotomy] with both sides adhering to a core understanding (Rebels even use old Imperial ships for reconnaissance, for example.)

    Jedi / Offspring and Old Friends

    Mark Hammill – “Master Luke”
    Daisy Ridley – kira
    Adam Driver – Jona [early script]
    Harrison Ford – Han Solo
    Carrie Fisher -Leia Organa

    Not surprising, Luke is a recluse. Having done his duty, he has taken abode on Tatooine, his home world and is uncle and mentor to…..Kira. Even though frustrated by life on this planet, she adores Luke and heeds his wisdom. Kira is sister to Jona, a New Republic pilot who spends most of his time serving in the Rebel Fleet. They are both the offspring of Han and Leia. Arndt originally had Jona on Tat and Kira with her parents, but that was since switched. To JJ’s credit, this was an incredibly brave move. Han and Leia are estranged and never married.

    Contemporaries / New Comers and Tragedy

    Oscar Isaac – Kane [early script]
    Andy Serkis – Orgo
    John Boyega – Ren

    Leia is the equivalent of Chancellor. She wanted Jona[now Kira] to lead a simpler life and not get caught up in the bureaucracy of New Republic affairs. She also was subconsciously concerned about her well being since kira is apparently more powerful than her brother. On Tatooine Kira is best friends with Orgo, a cyborg border guard. Han is commander of the Rebel Fleet. Kane Is co-pilot and inherits the Falcon when Han & Leia……perish (heroically.) Though tragic, their deaths serve an inevitable and necessary plot point: Kira now is thrust onto a new path and will be trained by Luke (naturally.) Kane travels to Kashyyyk and in an endearing exchange (admittedly, I shed a tear) Chewie supplants Han as co-pilot, continuous his life debt. Jona is overcome with grief and disappears for the rest of the film, presumably to avenge their deaths. He will likely be the fallen hero throughout the trilogy, though this isn’t really made made clear in this draft.

    Ren, a fellow pilot and friend of Jona, arrives on Tatooine to relay the bad news, though Luke has already felt it. With the aid of Orgo, they navigate the remote wilderness enroute to Mos Eisely to get off world. The emphasis is mainly on Kira now. There is sensual tension between Kane and Kira (I’m sure you can sense where that’s headed.)

    Plot Outline

    During an important Galactic Forum, when both sides are close to an agreement on unification, it is learned that a massive weapon has been built into the surface of Coruscant [This apparently was an early alternative to the Death Star and was abandoned Follwing the events of TPT. It is suggested that the ‘ruined’ part of the planet seen in AOTC was an early construction site, and has since been refurbished for this new super weapon.) This was a masterful move by DP, having learned from the faults of a stand alone Death Star. It’s made all the more ominous due to the fact that Coruscant can’t be destroyed to solve the problem. The NRSenate is outraged, though it is unclear who is responsible. The Imperial faction is blamed and a war ensues.


    Tatooine (Mos Espa makes makes an appearance in this film [one scene], though it isn’t a space port.)

    Dantooine (a Rebel Mainstay)

    Coruscant (New Republic Alliance)

    Kashyyyk (Brief scene)

    Mustafar (Plaguies Lair)

    Cyrene (Training Locale)

    A Few Other Notes

    -Contrary to popular assumption, the Jedi are not plentiful in this film (there is substantial dialogue that explains this.)
    It also serves the story by having the protagonist go through an ordeal (loss, epiphany, adventure, growth) which is a universal structure (i.e. If the prime characters were fully seasoned Jedi already, that wouldn’t leave much room for a a story arc.) Film is also very female heavy (this is also explained).
    -Film will mark the first time we see the construction of a light saber on screen (though this may have been cut from final script.)
    -This film is saturated in CT references (production and dialogue wise) though it never comes across as gratuitous.
    There are several scenes that parallel A New Hope.
    -There is a key flashback scene towards the beginning of the film featuring the actor Domhall Gleeson, Billie Lorde, Pip Anderson and others.
    – Early draft titles were A New Threat and The Shadow Heir (the latter being moved to the second film for story purposes)

    • November 17, 2014 at 10:26 pm

      !!!!!!!??????? Woah dude you just ruined the whole movie for me but I guess it’s my fault for reading it. The whole weapon or corescant sounds kind of stupid I hope kardash didn’t keep that

    • November 18, 2014 at 5:38 am

      Haha what a joke. Nice fan fiction.

  • November 17, 2014 at 7:25 pm

    If Han dies, that’s me done! I don’t care what Harrison Ford says should have happened. He may be a jackass about SW on occasions, but killing Han in the first movie, especially by another 70s child hero in Luke, would basically ruin decades of memories for all SW fans. The biggest flaw about the movies is that the timespan is so huge, that everyone dies! Unless you’re a droid or 900 year old alien, you’re dead. Yes that is a fact of life and can be argued that’s what makes it real, but kid’s love to look up to a hero, especially one as cool and edgy as Han. Would much rather him retire on some planet with Leia at the end of this episode and make small cameos in the next two movies. If Luke kills him, I’ll never be able to enjoy the originals in the same way again.

  • November 17, 2014 at 8:05 pm

    Is Super Shadow running this website now? The person who posted this obviously has no common sense or business acumen. Disney paid $4 Billion plus….that’s billion, for the Star Wars franchise, you think Bob Iger would sign off on Luke Skywalker killing Han Solo or even have him contribute to his death? Luke, Leia, and Han, are the foundation of this franchise, one, two, or three of them will likely die at some point but none of them will be involved with each others demise, and Disney will milk these characters as much as possible. Who the hell thinks of this stuff or doesn’t think? Oh let’s make Luke Skywalker a murderer that will be believable….I’m done with this website.

  • November 17, 2014 at 8:55 pm

    The casting calls are the obvious clues
    this will be a jedi training kind of movie.
    Everyone will have lightsabers
    and be doing parkour a lot.

    And angst and young love and another
    weapon to destroy.Rinse, lather, repeat.

    And lots of cameo appearances by just about every actor who was claimed to be in it.
    It will be a long boring movie then.

    Look isn’t that so an so as an alien?
    Remember Pirates with Keith Richards in it as a Pirate?

    Oh to have a time machine right now and see
    how this movie goes .

  • November 17, 2014 at 11:33 pm

    This is completely inaccurate as it does not follow any pre existing storyline. This “spoiler” completely deviates from everything in any and all of the books. Han and luke will never fight, chewabacca dies on a moon ensuring the escape of the millenium falcon, han and leia’s children are, jacen solo, jaina solo, and anakin solo. they have no other children. jacen eventually goes to the dark side, anakin dies, jaina kills jacen, luke marries mara jade and has one son named ben skywalker in honor of obi wan. to deviate from this would be the death of the franchise, and even though owned by disney, george lucas is still a massive influence and would not allow his life’s greatest work destroyed by a bunch of fumbling idiots.

    • November 18, 2014 at 5:16 pm

      Apparently you missed the part about the EU no longer being cannon.

      It’s a whole new galaxy out there!

  • November 18, 2014 at 12:27 am

    Abrams killing Solo would be as stupid as blowing up Vulcan. So, I believe it.

    • November 18, 2014 at 2:36 am

      Abrams rocked the Star Trek world. Much better films with him aboard. Same will be true for SW.

  • November 18, 2014 at 12:47 am

    Harrison Ford always wanted Solo killed off
    but in the first new movie?

    Oh well.. waiting for the DVD then.
    Like I always do.

  • November 18, 2014 at 2:34 am

    I’m sorry, but whoever is running this site is a moron for posting nonsense rumors like this. To kill Han off in the first sequel film is just dumb. I could see it in Episode VIII, but not VII.

  • November 18, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    Luke is no killer! A true Jedi does not attack, he only defends. All this Jedi “attack to protect” began its madness in the PT, and 2 Jedi fighting against one opponent.. that, in my opinion, is NOT the true way of the Jedi!

  • November 18, 2014 at 6:12 pm

    if you really beleive that this rumor is true and that ultimately Luke Skywalker kills his best friend and Han SOlo actually goes out like this……?????? then you…are a complete fucktard….Han Solo will die a heroes death….and Chewbacca will be by his side, and i suspect they take the falcon with them….a true thelma and louis moment in Star Wars… if you think other wise…you are a fool

  • November 18, 2014 at 6:17 pm

    I agree…i highly doubt that the first movie from the Disney trilogy is going to be so dark. Luke killing Han is not going to happen.i would like to know where they get this info from…because its starting to get a little dumb..we are a year away and i have already started to lose interest…this happy reunion that ive been waiting for since i was 9 years old is going to turn out to be the darkest film so far? eh….no thanks JJ.

  • November 18, 2014 at 8:06 pm

    Well these days dark movies seem the trend.

    The info comes from 4CHAN I believe and is spreading all over the fan sites.

    Mizzlewump was the name claims to be in the know.

  • November 18, 2014 at 10:50 pm

    If this is accurate, I’m okay with it. The movie needs to hit us emotionally. The old EU played it so safe with the original characters. I honestly wouldn’t mind seeing one die in the trilogy.

  • November 29, 2014 at 7:19 am

    Abrams wants to recapture the “playful” spirit of the first trilogy?

    Why? Because he is too unoriginal to re-create his own style for this new trilogy?

    I hope and pray that this new trilogy is not some purile attempt to relive the past.

  • November 29, 2014 at 6:39 pm

    It would be one of the greatest ending since 1969 planets of the Apes, when Heston sees The Statue of Liberty. What an ending!

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