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UPDATE 2! Rian Johnson at Pinewood Studios! Star Wars: Episode VIII Script is Ready. Filming Begins Soon?

Rian JohnsonSeveral Star Wars cast members started teasing the fans about the upcoming Episode VIII. It appears that the script re-writes are done, the script is ready, and the cast has already read it. We’re probably just days away from the official start of principle photography.

 

 

January 30, 2016

 

As we already told you 2 days ago, Daisy Ridley first shared a photo with flowers and an appreciation note from Kathleen Kennedy.

 

#VIII

A photo posted by @daisyridley on

 

 

Probably the bouquet was also accompanied by the finished Episode VIII script since just a day later Anthony Daniels revealed that he has just read it.

 

 

 

John Boyega went even further revealing on Snapchat that he is already training for his role as Finn in the movie:

 

 

 

Interestingly enough, Carrie Fisher also appears to have been situated in the United Kingdom the day before Daniels revealed that he read the script – so it’s quite possible that the first script read has just taken place.

 

 

 

We are also waiting for the official confirmation of the end of the Rogue One filming. Exciting times indeed.

 

 

UPDATE!

 

January 31, 2016

 

After Anthony Daniels tweeted about the script, director Rian Johnson directly replied to him with the following message:

 

 

The picture really says it all. This is not the first time when Daniels is getting himself into trouble with his uncalled statements. You probably remember that he let a few slip and even made some strange comments about the original cast during the filming of The Force Awakens.

 

 

UPDATE 2!

 

February 1, 2016

 

Rian Johnson’s latest tumblr picture speaks for itself (see title image).

 

https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/694098674419417088

 

 

 

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  • junderwood13

    “Exciting times indeed” doesn’t even begin to describe it!

  • Crixxxx

    PrinciPAL photography.

    • jazzsax

      Grammar Nazi… One day the por spellers of the world will untie ;)

      • Mr_Crankypants

        Dumbass. That’s spelled “p-o-u-r”.

        • TUD

          My gohs, you really are friggin’ ratarded. It’s spelled “p-o-r-e”.

    • darrenkitlor

      PrinciNTSC photography. :P

      • daveolden

        Princi-NeverTheSameColor! :P

        (PAL rules)

        • Mr_Crankypants

          BETA rules. I was initially stunned when, in 1999, all of my animation work was expected to be presented in beta :)

  • TUD

    Oh god, the HYPE!!

  • jazzsax

    Principal filming is about to begin, but I would be willing to bet pre-production with, 2nd and 3rd units are likely already filming.

  • Petar Ramljak

    Can’t wait to go on set in Dubrovnik,it would amazing if they shoot something in Knin’s fortress,since it is not really far,it really nice fits for Luke’s island

    • TUD

      I want that to be the first Jedi temple.

      • Petar Ramljak

        Agree,I really want to spread this about that fortress,so maybe someone from Disney see it,because if they have in script about Jedi Temple,I really think they want to use that fortress as that Temple

        • Christopher Brown

          Doesn’t Game of Thrones also do quite a bit of location shooting in the same city? Will be interesting to see the same location with different digital set extensions

  • Concealed Courier

    Thank God..

  • Adavanter Mki

    It’s still surreal to me. Not only are we getting new Star Wars but one has already happened! Not only that but it was pretty dang good. Can’t believe I’m still so anxious about all this stuff. Going to be 33 this year… and I get giddy at this stuff :P

    • Nate

      As someone who just turned 40, I can tell you age is no barrier to feeling giddy about Star Wars ☺

      • Bill Leeds

        Here here. Turn 40 3 weeks before TFA. Giddy for the films comics tv series and books.

        • nph53

          i didn’t realize there were so many old fossils on this site. ;)

          • Bill Leeds

            Yeah you should see my dinosaur

  • Clone11038

    these two years will be worse than the previous three

    • patriot8813

      I don’t think so because we get Rogue One, new books and a couple seasons of Rebels to hold us over for Episode 8.

      • Clone11038

        We – at least I – had that too during these three years, but because I’m now familiar and love the sequel trilogy’s world as shown I just want to see how it develops more

        • patriot8813

          We didn’t have Rogue one. We only had about a season and a half of rebels and a couple of new books the final year of release. We get about 2 seasons worth of rebels now, a few more books and a Star Wars film before 8. I love the sequel trilogy thus far to, but for me, this wait will be easier.

          • Clone11038

            I guess so… but even Rogue one is a year away!

            • Bill Leeds

              Lol 11 months. But yeah

        • Davis

          Hopefully the script gets leaked soon. I forced myself not to read anything about TFA before watching it, but now I dont care. I want to know the damn story!

      • Clone11038

        we got two of those things before too

      • Bill Leeds

        This. Enjoy and embrace it all!

  • rebelgb

    If it leaked id actually read it; if only to set my mind at ease that Disney didnt force Rian to placate them with fanfare bullshit and to know that EP VIII will fix the story telling issues of VII.

    • Portaler

      Amen there. Can only hope that (VII) was a once off, and now they get some original stuff happening involving the great characters they now have.

      • nph53

        i do too, if only to stop you guys from complaining.

        • Bill Leeds

          Couldn’t have said it better. :)

        • Mr_Crankypants

          Not, you know, for like the good of the storytelling. Who’s more butthurt? The butthurt OP, or the buthurt who follows him?

          • nph53

            Lol. Fair enough.;)

    • Bill Leeds

      Dont worry you wont like it. You will never be satisfied.

  • Dustin Riccioni

    So exciting, the whole movie making process has always interested me. I should have got a career in film rather than join the military and get stuck at my current work. Any updates on the lighting tech strike?

  • ReckneckJedi85

    So exciting, the whole movie making process has always interested me. I should have got a career in film rather than join the military and get stuck at my current work. Any updates on the lighting tech strike?

    • darrenkitlor

      Hey, Adam Driver was Marine Corps — don’t discredit yourself. :)

    • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

      There are lots of technical advisor jobs for vets in films as well after you are done.

  • nph53

    i notice the title is still absent. any guesses or suggestions?

    • ReckneckJedi85

      Rise of the Knights

      • nph53

        I like it. I was thinking, Heir to the Sith.

        • TUD

          YES! Perfect! It describes Kylo, it references Heir to the Empire, and it sounds cool!

    • Luz

      The Wookie Legged Doormat.

    • Mr_Crankypants

      “Gonk’s Revenge”

    • Remy Verhoeve

      Episode VIII: Skywalk that walk

  • Captain Willard

    Hopefully this one will be better than Force Awakens… Yeah, remember that film? It quickly left your system, didn’t it? With each passing day… I thought it’d stick with me a little longer, but the holes in it and the erratic nature of it are glaring now…

    C’mon Rian old buddy, don’t let me down…

    • Steven

      Style over substance. TPM had despite its flaws more memorable moments.

      • nph53

        I have to dispute that. TPM was a slow boat to nowhere. You could take it out of canon today and lose nothing to the overall story(except maybe maul).

        • By Whedon’s Lisp!

          Now hold on we see how obi wan and Anakin met and also learn about the chosen one mythology, what the sith are and that they have returned, that Anakin is a gifted pilot and that he was born of the force. We also get introduced to all the main players in the prequels and see amidala serving as queen, as well as meeting Anakin. We also get the origins of c3po and r2d2. All pretty big events important to the canon.

          • nph53

            as you like. i was going debate this further, but nothing i can say or you can say will change our minds on this issue, i’ve learned that much over the years when it comes to the PT. if you think TPM is worthwhile then i will respect your opinion.

          • Astrosquall on his phone

            We never needed to know the ins and outs though. Not everything had to be explained

          • NYJD21

            The question is: Why is that important to Anakin’s character?

            Answer: Because he’s unlikeable.

        • Steven

          The subtle moves by Palpatine mean nothing to the overall story for you then. Judging by the reference to Maul you prefer the flashy stuff over plot.

          • TUD

            Oh yeah, subtle.

            Palpatine: “Hey Anakin, the dark side can teach you how to save pregant women from dying during child birth!”

            Anakin: *is too dumb to notice Palpatine’s obvious knowledge of his predicament*

            • Steven

              I think you’re confusing the films…..rabid fanboy.

              • TUD

                Palpatine is present/trying to take over during all 3 films, is he not? I’m not confused. I’m simply pointing out that his “subtle moves” aren’t so subtle. Don’t get butthurt when people go against your opinion.

                • Steven

                  Umm….you’ll find I was pointing out he was subtle in TPM, don’t be an arse when you’re pointed out to a rabid fanboy and can’t cope with those that disagree. I see you had to have the last word before in the other thread, so I guess that’s one prediction right so far. If you can’t take being called a fanboy you should think twice before making such remarks yourself.

                  • TUD

                    Dude, chill. This is nothing personal, so don’t get riled up. No one likes a jerk stankin’ up the comments, and neither of us should be that jerk. Calm tf down.

                    • Steven

                      You have point and I apologise. However I do find the assumption that people are ‘rabid fanboy’ or ‘butthurt’ offensive, so leaping into a different thread with a remark on a different stage of the trilogy to make a point seemed low.

                      Don’t get me wrong I felt Lucas’s totally bodged the prequels. There are moments of gold within though. Palaptine’s machinations are one of those, while the romance between Anakin and Padme is clearly not.

          • nph53

            k.

          • ZOD

            I have to disagree with you. The Sidious/trade federation stuff was very thinly written. To the point that even an outline of their plan(s) makes little real sense. Maul was, probably intentionally, almost a non-character. I actually sort of liked seeing warrior monks deal with a Sith killing machine (almost a robot). I didn’t like the fact that the setting made zero sense. Where is this power plant thing? Under the royal palace?

            • Steven

              I don’t see how its thinly written tbh. Sidious needs a ploy in order to make a move upon becoming Chancellor. He simply creates tensions between his home planet and the federation, being it trade routes, tax, whatever boring political stuff you like, brings it to a crisis point in the Senate to discredit the current Chancellor and then makes his move to be voted in. Maul should of been used into the 2nd film, but then I suppose its all about new characters equals extra toy sales as well.

              • ZOD

                “Boring political stuff” isn’t substance unless it makes sense… Otherwise it’s filler.

                • Steven

                  That’s your point of view. I found showing how Palaptine was manipulating his way to power important.

                  • ZOD

                    If it had been written better, I’d agree with you. In a few lines, A New Hope did a perfect job of explaining the politics of the Empire: “The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away forever.” A few sentences and BANG, you understand exactly whats going on in this galaxy. A few exchanges later and you understand how the Empire’s army is going to solidify this young government’s power. No guessing, just some well written exposition that sets the stage for the more interesting parts of the story.

                    The Phantom Menace lacked this clarity. I do think there were interesting ideas, but they weren’t explained very well. I think the plot was supposed to look something like this:

                    1) The Republic (specifically the Senate) is failing. Palatine, and most likely the Sith, have been waiting for it to come to this point of failure of many years (centuries maybe?)

                    2) Palatine wants to use the Republic’s own failings against itself. He hates freedom and wants to see freedom fail, more or less, on its own.

                    3) Apparently the resources of the Republic have been carved up by huge corporations. These corporations influence the government

                    4) Palpatine (as Sidious) chooses one of the weaker corporations (Trade Federation), promising to grant them more resources/power in exchange for something he doesn’t really care about (maybe a spit of the wealth).

                    5) Palpatine’s plan is to have the Trade Federation invade his wealthy home planet of Naboo. They are promised access to it’s wealth, resources and senate seat. The Trade Federation thinks that they will be able to use this to negotiate or force better tax rates & generally increase their influence.

                    6) Palpatine has calculated that other greedy interests will want to exploit the situation, causing gridlock in the Senate. The better aspects of the Republic, including the Jedi, will be overwhelmed by the various parties’ greed.

                    7) No matter what happens with all this squabbling, Palpatine, a member of the senate, will be able to reach some kind of an peace agreement with the Trade Federation (who he is secretly backing).

                    8) In the eyes of the political class this will make him appear to be a strong politician who can deal with the corporations. In the eyes of the Corporations this will make him look like a guy they can negotiate with. In the eyes of the public this will make him look like a victim of oppression who becomes a hero.

                    9) In the meantime, the Jedi Have lost a champion (Qui-Gon), the Sith have lost a champion (Maul) and a new & more powerful champion may have been found (little Annie). A balance thing?

                    10) The Jedi (who are weakening) have become aware of the Sith (who are growing stronger) Another balance thing?

                    11) I’d wager that in the original draft the fact that Little Annie was a Slave and Padme’s people were being enslaved was more important.

                    Unfortunately, The Phantom Menace never bothers to explain anyone’s motivation. Characters just do things because the story needs to move along. This forces viewers to come up with theories (like these).

                    A few extra line of dialog (written better than I can) would have done it:

                    Viceroy: “Sidious is a fool, once we control Naboo’s wealth and seat in the senate we’ll have the power to do whatever we want… with him or without him”

                    Palatine: “The Sith have always known that freedom leads to corruption! We waited for this Republic to fail, as all free governments must!”

                    Yoda: “Perfectly aligned, are Palpatine’s supporters. To the people he’s a great man, to the politicians he’s a strong man and to the corporations he’s a shrewd man”

                    IMO, in a better movie all of this political stuff would have been used to set the stage for a more dynamic conflict between the heroes and Palpatine’s agents.

                    Whatever. What’s done is done.

                    I’m going to exit this particular conversation. IMO, for all it’s open ended questions The Force Awakens makes more sense than the prequel movies in the ways that matter. Each character has a clearly defined set of motivations, with even more hinted at. To your original point, these character moments are the substance that gules the big actions sequences together and makes them memorable. That’s just my opinion. I guess we’ll see in a few decades.

                    So far, I like this new trilogy. I’d rather look forward to the next two movies than back to the PT films than I’m not as fond of.

          • NYJD21

            Palpatine is the only important character in TPM.

            Which is why the movie is a throw-away. There’s nothing else that happens in it that’s important.

            They literally could have done the exact same plot as AOTC and had Senator Palpatine be elected Chancellor to approve the army.

            • Steven

              Actually that would of been a great way to start the prequels. Always felt Anakin was introduced to young personally, but I guess Lucas wanted a origin story.

              • NYJD21

                It would have left time to actually show the Clone Wars, and we wouldn’t get bogged down in the corporate plot stuff and chosen one stuff.

                AOTC as Ep. I, then an Ep. II full of fun Obi-Wan & Anakin Clone Wars adventures, and maybe a Jedi traitor that Anakin is forced to hunt down and confront (the Ahsoka arc from CW), thereby sowing the seeds of his discontent heading into Ep.III.

                • Steven

                  That would of worked nicely. I blame the need to fill in gaps with comics, cartoons and books.

                  I often wonder where the trend started to be really incorporated. I know there always was the expansion of material, but these days films seemed to be planned with holes to be filled by comics, etc

      • TUD

        More memorable moments? TPM has been around for 16 years while TFA has been around for about 2 months. It might be a bit too early to judge just how “memorable” the two films are compared to each other.

        • Steven

          We will see. I just recall the buzz before and after in regard to the Pod Racing and Maul, not seeing it this time.

          • TUD

            Buzz about Kylo and his lightsaber.
            Buzz about Finn having a lightsaber.
            Buzz about Luke.
            Buzz about Han’s death.
            And plenty of quotable and memorable lines.

            • Steven

              Really…

              Oh look the lightsaber has a cross guard………still not as iconic as Maul after all these years.

              The buzz around Finn having a lightsaber is concerning if he is to be a new Jedi, so a plot element not yet fully answered.

              Buzz about Luke……..I’m not sure about everyone else, but yeah I was excited to see what he would be doing in the film, now we know it was basically nothing I don’t feel anything…

              Han’s death is about the only bit that will be talked about for years in your list to be honest thus retaining its appeal.

              • TUD

                “still not as iconic as Maul after all these years”

                Let me repeat this. The film has been out for TWO MONTHS. You do not know what will and will not be remembered from it, and you should not compare how iconic Kylo’s saber is to how iconic Maul’s is, because Maul’s saber has been around for 16 YEARS. You can not predict the future, and your attempts at doing so only reveal that you are indeed a rabid fanboy who wants to find any excuse possible to hate on TFA and glorify TPM. It’s pathetic.

                • Steven

                  Rabid fan-boy?

                  I’m not the one that started with the hate. I simply said I felt despite its ‘FLAWS’ TPM had more depth, so I’m hardly saying its a great film and TFA is overly dreadful. It had STYLE but little SUBSTANCE, so don’t blame me for you’re over reaction. IMO TPM had both, but had over flaws which I admitted and so fails in other ways. TFA could of been a fantastic, but again fails.

                  Really am surprised you think Kylo’s lightsaber has the same iconic ability to Maul’s. I recall everyone still talking about ‘that’ lightsaber for some time after, yet not much is mentioned now on Kylo’s.

                  You’re belief that you can tell someone what they should or shouldn’t do is staggering. I have every right to make a prediction. Then following up that rant with a degrading remark only shows you’re true colours in not accepting others opinions.

                  • TUD

                    Mmmmmm…no. You tried to pass off your predictions as widely accepted fact, and I pointed that out. Get over it.

                    • Steven

                      Well you really do read into things don’t you. At what point am I saying these things are most likely widely accepted fact when for example talking about Luke I say how I felt.

                    • TUD

                      “TPM had despite its flaws memorable moments”

                      I don’t see you indicating that this is your opinion anywhere in the sentence. It sounds to me like you’re trying to state a fact. Just sayin’.

                    • Steven

                      But that’s you’re interpretation. If I said “AT AT’s are great cause they have four legs” it doesn’t mean I’m stating a fact that the greatness is caused by the four legs. I’m sorry but you’re leaping to conclusions.

                    • TUD

                      Okay.

              • NYJD21

                Maul is iconic for the fact that he died and was underused. lol

                • TUD

                  Lol true.

      • Kenny Ritchie

        I liked the TPM end credits, apart from that, not so many.

      • ZOD

        Substance? Oh come on, it’s been decades and I’ve still never read a coherent explanation of the Trade Federation’s plans. Jumping a movie ahead, the creation of the clone army is very poorly explained. It isn’t just a mystery, the onscreen explanations & reactions don’t add up. I’ll happily trade a few contrived sequences (pod race, Gungan city) for a story with characters do things for reasons that make logical/emotional sense — not just to get to the next story-boarded “memorable sequence”.

        • Steven

          You don’t get that the Trade Federation are pawns and the crisis is created by Palpatine in order to get himself into a position to be elected as Chancellor? Its quite simply, we don’t need to know the exact specifics do we?

          In regard to the creation of the Clone Army I would agree the whole mystery Jedi Syfo whatever his name wasn’t needed, but is a creation of the need to have comics, books, etc, fill in the holes. I thought since Tyrannus picked Jango Fett as the template he did it all and pinned it on a missing Jedi, but I believe its not according to other material which may or may not be cannon now.

          • ZOD

            Sure they’re dupes, but what did the Trade Federation think they were doing?

            • Steven

              Not watched in a while, but it was my assumption they felt heavily taxed and so it was for them a protest against the Senate. Sidious pushed things into an invasion, or since they were Battleships in orbit he had convinced them a show of force was required from the start.

              • Davis

                If they wanted to protest against the taxation, than why was the whole invasion in secret? The whole thing would make sense if the Trade Fed would blackmail the Senate with the blockade, but in secret it makes absolutely no sense. And btw why does a TRADE fedaration (a corporation for trading) have a large army, a viceroy (that role was used to subsitute kings, not by corporations) and a seat in the Senate?

                And what was Palpatine’s plan actually? Was he trying to let Padme fly to Coruscant to initiate the vote for no confidence? In that case he should’ve let Padme fly to Coruscant, but was constantly trying to stop her! What if she dies on the ship when the Trade Fed was shooting at them? He was even trying to kill them on Tatooine! Why? Would he use her as a martir? But the whole invasion was under secret! Valorum couldn’t be acused with something he couldn’t even know about. Especially because Naboo is a small and unimportant planet.
                And what if the Seante just simply uses the two jedi as witness and proof for the invasion, you know two trusted guardians of the peace? Than Valorum would’ve started to take action and there wouldn’t be any vote for no confidence at all…

                And after Padmé actually started the vote on Coruscant, he was STILL trying to make her sign the treaty! Again that makes absolutely no sense at all. He got what he wanted, so why the fckin treaty?!

                • Steven

                  Well Lucas is making out the Federation to be cowardly, so indirect confrontation with the Senate against a minor planet that just happens to be the Sith Lord’s home is easier to manipulate. In regard to the political make up of the Senate and titles used, its in a galaxy far, far, away, where even a Queen is voted into office. I don’t think that really matters.

                  In answer to Palpatine’s plan, you’re forgetting he’s the Senator for Naboo. Its only a secret for as long as he requires. If the Queen dies it creates a greater up roar in the Senate that he can use, it the treaty is signed he says its forced and so can use that angle in the Senate. The two Jedi sent was out of his control, but it was always the plan to invade Naboo for greater effect in the Senate. Of course he’s happy for Padme to return and the federation to continue with efforts for a treaty to be signed, he’s got Maul on site to clean up loose ends. He would disappear into the shadows and the next thing you know the new Chancellor has a reason for an army already.

                  • Davis

                    Your reply only reminds me how pointless these arguments are. I dont know why I started it again, it was a mistake I’ve been making for more than 10 years now constantly, ever since TPM was released. Fanboys like you will protect those terrible movies regardless of a any logical reasoning. But Im going to play the game.

                    Making out the Fedaration cowardly? Wtf would that gain for him? We are talking about a galaxy sized Republic with trillions of people and probably millions of cases like that taxation debate regarding a small planet every day. Who cares if a Trade Fedaration (like WTO?) is coward? Its mostly a corporation for Trading, not a political roleplayer primarily.
                    1,
                    If he wanted the Queen to be dead than why didnt he killed her in the first place? Why even bother with the treaty? Creates a greater roar up? What, that small planet in the noware with the secret invasion? How would he have any evidence that it actually happened? The Senate also needed an independent comittee to validate those acusations. Dont forget that the Trade Fed would constatntly deny the execution of the Queen, and considering the whole invasion was under secret, they could easely say that it was an accident or whatever. Palpatine on Coruscant couldn’t forge any credible proof against the Trade Fed, which is directly next to the situation with its infrastructure and bureocracy. And no matter what Sidious commands them they wont act against their on interest (btw why are they even bow to Sidious’s will? They have an army, seat in the Seanate an clearly enough money. What could a powerless Palpatine promise them for risking everything the Trade Fed built up?).
                    2,
                    Ok, lets say the treaty is signed and Padmé never leaves Naboo. What happens next? Palpatine reveals the Senate about the invasion. 2A) How would he prove it? 2B) And who cares? Why would anyone care about that small probely merely caused by the Trade Fedaration? It has nothing to do with Valorum, as it was in complete secret, he shouldn’t even know about it. IN FACT, it would only strenghten Valorum’s position as his assumptions and early actions (sending the two jedi) about the blockade were correct!
                    If Palaptine somehow reveals the invasion with enough evidence, than Valorum would just start taking actions and its over. No vote for no cofidence at all. And Palpatine is exactly where he started.
                    3,
                    Its all the same if the Queen dies, Palpatine can’t prove that the Trade Fed did it, and Valorum can’t be blamed for his actions as the whole invasion was completly under secret and he never had the chance to do anything about that relative unimportant tax-dispute (if you take into consideration that a galaxy sized Republic probably deals with 1000s of similar cases every day).
                    4,
                    ,,Of course he’s happy for Padme to return and the federation to continue with efforts for a treaty to be signed”

                    Why exactly? Padmé was so idiot that she realised something that she should’ve known long before she travelled to Coruscant (as a Quen she must’ve learned it) that the Senate and the jurisdiction are slow decesion makers. And then she just goes back without any help from the jedi or support form anyone esle. She just returns the planet the same way she departed from it in the beginning of the movie.
                    But the blockade is gone for some inexplicable reason and there is only one ship… I guess the rest took a tea pause.

                    But returning to Palpatine, after Padmé starte the vote, he simply accomplished what he wanted. He should’ve just easely step out and cut every contact the Trade Fed. The more time he spends with those guys the more chance he will have to get caught when they will start to point fingers in the end (as every roleplayer in politics would). Why did he still wanted that fckin treaty after he acomplished what he wanted? With or without that idiot treaty he will be chancellor, so who cares?

                    Bw, the fact that the senators voted Palpatine to the new chancellor just also proves how terribly written and unrealistic the whole political scenes are. If the senators would have at least the brain capacity of a lamp, they would most likely realise that something was wrong with the whole ,,confilct”, as a random powerhungry senator (Palpatine) from the same nooname planet from where the conflict emererged, suddenly waves his hand about a confilct that would only really benefit him. Ofc, Lucas could always use the ,,dark side clouded them” crap, but than just please dont try to say that it isnt written terribly bad.

                    • Steven

                      Ok _ I think to be honest you’re over thinking the entire movie and the fact that you’re writing such argument point by point suggests that maybe you should look in the mirror and ask if you are a fanboy that feels betrayed in some way by Lucas for not fulling you’re vision of what the prequels should of been. The target audience in case you didn’t realise wasn’t aimed at physicists or 40+ who grew up with the OT, but a new generation. Though before you attack me for being part of that generation I should point out I’m 41.

                      Yes much of it is poorly written. Who in their right mind would defend all those romance scenes, not me for certain. However, the general concept of Palatine using both sides is there to see, unless part of the new generation who didn’t know whom Palatine was to be and had yet to watch the OT.

                      However, back to my original point that I made to the OP before you felt the need to lecture, even with its faults and badly written scenes, TPM has the substance and background that TFA does not. TFA jumps straight into the action and doesn’t really explain how the new Republic needs a separate Resistance led by Leia to counter the threat of the First Order. I only watched TFA once due to family, but that opening crawl text is as flimsy as TPM.

                      I’m not going to continue this discussion as you seem set in you’re position and think its my fault you’ve been brought into, which is quite odd to be honest. I don’t understand the need to launch into a debate that you don’t even want and as I said at the start of this reply accuse others of being a fan-boy…….

                    • Davis

                      Re-reading my comment it was indeed offensive and the rant was completly unnecessary. I have to apologise. Im only in my 20s yet, so not really the original SW-fan generation.
                      Usually I dont really care too much about movies and never overthink them.
                      Star Wars is an exeption. When I was a kid and first saw ESB in the TV I was completly blown away by the imperial walkers. I can easely say Star Wars kinda inspired me to this profession. I will always be a Star Wars fan, so I will make an exeption with those movies and I’ll over-analyse them.

                      I know that the prequels were mostly aimed to the younger generation. But the political sceneries were supposed to be the ones that were aimed toward us, adults.
                      But if you go really deep into the story, and involve yourself with the events I think its pretty easy to realise how atrociously those were written. The plans of the Trade Fedaration, the plans of Sidious all and how all those were exectued is just pure madness.
                      And I think its even worse in ep II. Some jedi named Syfo Dias ordered the creation of a clone army? How does that work? You just go to the reception and call miss Daisy to order one? Who financed it, and by what? How could it be remain a secret? Why does nobody know about Kamino? And if nobody knows about it than how did Syfo Dias? How can Kamino have the infrastructure to build enitre armies if its a secret place? How could nobody notice that? And why does a Republic which consists of thousand of star-systems even need to order an army? Why dont they just use their own militia? Or not even a single star system has it own army? Thats just nonsense… But I wont start the rant again.

                      About episode VII. Imo it was good. I enjoyed it, but it wasnt exceptionally good or something. It was indeed too fast paced and didnt expand the lore too much.
                      I think the most memorable scene was Han’s death. The artistic play with dark and light really got me there… But episode VIII needs to be a lot better than VII (story-wise) if Disney wants this trilogy to work.

                    • Steven

                      No worries the love of Star Wars can can do funny things. I do tend to agree with you that the prequels are poorly written. I don’t defend that at all, its just I feel the overall arc of the story isn’t as bad as often made out, rather it is poorly executed in both fine tuning and directing. I’m still not sure Syfo Dias has been addressed, so I agree totally on that and blame the use of other mediums such as cartoons, etc, that are relied upon to fill in such glaring questions.

                      This is why I originally commented that I felt VII had more style than substance. The story is there for I, its poorly written and directed, bt to me felt it had more depth and originality than VII (which I still enjoyed, but wish there wasn’t a giant Death Star or trench run, with a guy that even looked like Porkins).

                    • Steven

                      Fanboys will always attack those movies…….I don’t why such people will jump into threads simply to attack, but then I’m not a physicist over thinking the plots of movies aimed primarily at youngsters.

              • ZOD

                But the whole thing was done in secret. When confronted in the senate scene they denied everything. Holding the planet doesn’t appear to be strategically important. What do they gain? I’m fine with the Trade Federation being dupes — but what did they think that they were getting?

                • Steven

                  I suppose for the Federation, who are portrayed as cowardly, once they have the treaty signed and control of the planet they feel there is nothing the Senate can do. If this was successful then Senator Palaptine/Sideous still gets to use the inaction of the Senate in helping him push a vote of no confidence. He’ll fight to say the treaty was forced, so its pretty worthless.

    • DailyPlunge

      Why are you mad online?

    • Crixxxx

      Uh, no. Saw it again this week. Looking forward to the Blu Ray release. Very good Star Wars movie, far better than the prequel fiascos. Restored the franchise to its former quality, left us all anticipating more. It accomplished everything it needed to.

    • NYJD21

      Ever consider the speed of our culture is horrifically different from the past?

  • Vlad Tronciu

    I can’t wait the VIII. I’ve just seen on 25 december the VII and I am so exited that in the VIII i’ll know if Kylo Ren died or not that i already ate a pillow XD (Just kidding).

  • Death star 49

    Even that tiny look at what the script looks like is beautiful the stark white just beautiful

  • Luz

    I just have read the book and the last dialogue between Han and Leia left an open question.
    Han told Leia that he had something to talk with her about, but for one reason they postponed it to their next meeting, never happened.

    Any clue?
    Will we know that in Ep. VIII?

    • Samuel Wallace

      Maybe Kylo knows?? Han did touch his face before dying, I wonder if it was a mind-message?

      • Mr_Crankypants

        NO! BAD SCI-FI NERD!! NO MIND MELDS IN SW! PARTICULARLY NO MIND MELDS FROM NON-FORCE SENSITIVE CHARACTERS! NO TREAT FOR YOU!!!

        • SonOfConstantDiligence

          Well if Kylo can probe minds with the force, which he clearly can because he did it once with Poe and tried it with Rey, and that was just what was shown in the movie. It doesn’t seem too far stretched of an idea that Kylo possibly read into Han’s mind right as he was dying. That would also explain why Kylo didn’t react quick enough to Chewbacca’s bowcaster shot, not counting any potential emotional trauma that may have had right after killing his own father.

        • Samuel Wallace

          Since when was a mind message a mind meld? Han didn’t [couldn’t] impart anything to Ben, but he COULD think a specific thought knowing that Ben would read his mind and overhear it, the touch being a nudge to make sure the dude was paying attention. So more like a reverse-mind-read than it is a mind-meld,

      • Luz

        When I read the book I wondered if it was related to Rey.

      • Speednet21

        Han didn’t touch Ben’s face in the book.

    • Mr_Crankypants

      “Leia…I’m….I’m PREGNANT.”

      • Luz

        … and the father is Chewie…”

    • LadyMusashi

      I love you? Let’s get back together?

      Just a wild guess. ;)

      • Luz

        Do you love me?
        Thank you!
        I love you too ;)

        A big hug from this part of the galaxy (near the first jedi temple). :D

  • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

    I think this is the first SW film written by one lone writer. Unless there are some ghostwriters they haven’t mentioned yet?

    • Mr_Crankypants

      I thought that was the whole kerfuffle a couple of weeks ago – Chris McQuarrie was brought in to script doctor?

      • TUD

        That was for Rogue One.

      • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

        Rogue One which really does make this Johnson’s baby. I’m just glad he has a more solid track record than Abrams when it comes to writing.

    • nph53

      well, not exactly. TPM was written in one draft by lucas on a yellow legal pad. ;)

      • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

        Carrie Fisher was rumored to have ghost written some of the dialogue. Probably the few lines that didn’t suck.

        • Crixxxx

          Lucas wrote: “boom de gasser, den crash de bosses’ heyblibber, den banished!”