Updated With Screenshots and New International Poster. New Star Wars: The Force Awakens Trailer Surprises With Lots of New Footage!!!
Surprise, surprise!!! New Star Wars: The Force Awakens trailer was shown during the D23 Expo in Tokyo, Japan with lots of new scenes and dialogue. Check it out…
Fantastic!!!
And here’s new international poster:
UPDATE!
Here are some screenshots from the new trailer:
Every shot looks so beautiful!. December 18th can’t come quick enough.
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Shitting helll ! awwsome !!
That crackling sound of Kylo’s sabre makes it even more badass.
I couldn’t help my self, I had to play it of course – but I was really afraid it would give up too much.
Glad to see it doesn’t – it just had small bits and pieces to what we already knew from the previous trailer.
And, by the way: the more I see it, the more I find Kylo Ren’s sabre to be amazing 🙂
Oh my fucking god, it’s beautiful!
I’m in love! Really great what they are showing. Let this be truly the last new footage!
I assume BB-8 asks who she is waiting for. Rey answers “for my family.”
Looks like BB-8 is also waiting for someone, Poe?
THIS LOOKS AWESOME !!! The X-Wing close camera, the scene with the ship on dessert… so fucking epic and with an old proper sci-fi feeling !!!
This may be the best trailer in my opinion.
I agree. It actually makes sense and it has a storyline. This is about Rey looking for her family.
After watching this new trailer a thought came to my mind. Perhaps Luke doens’t appear because he is the “Rebels” BIG GUN!!?? That would explain, some part, at least who or what is Hope and R2D2 and the metallic hand in the first trailer
That is fantastic, better than the trailer that came out the other week, I think my favourite moment was Chewie detonating the explosives.
Oh. My. Music wasn’t that great but everything else was killer. Can’t wait for this.
It seems the trailer music is outsourced (not Williams) so it’s nothing to worry about with the final film.
Really? I loved it! Pretty sure it was a song from the prequels? I recognize it.
It was ok. I was just comparing to the previous trailer’s music. I know the movie soundtrack will be very well done.
Agreed – not my favorite. To clarify, I liked the music well enough, but I felt it was not matched well with the scenes. I like this footage better than the previous trailer, but thought the previous trailer did a MUCH better job with the music.
Strangely, I think the music from the other trailer still makes it #1 for me. Music with Star Wars is just that big of a deal (to me). Loved both though, and am very excited for the movie!
Mmmmm not sure seems like some of the acting and dialogue is off and effects look a bit effectsy…worst trailer out of the lot..good that might dampen peoples expectations
are we watching the same thing here? Because this one blew the lid off of the other three, it came unexpected and some of the shots are amazing..
I agree some of the shot are amazing but the Rey Finn name exchange is so wooden and when she’s talking to BB8 they have used clips from 3 different exchanges and edited them together and it just sounds wrong…also the firesaber (TM by me ) accross Reys face …the effects don’t match up to what we have seen in the other trailer…just my opinion dude
That’s true, but the editing of voice clips has been going on through all trailers, at least this one paints a coherent picture.
re: the lightsaber, it’s the heat haze that makes it look warbled, I think it looks much better when I drop my pants in IMAX.
Yeah it’s an effect that is used in lots of films from heat to exhausts to engine on planes etc but it just looks crappy to me
Weird, I teared up when I rewatched that specific bit. I love the way she says “I’m Rey”, with a friendly hopeful smile and glint in her eye. Imagine the friendship and adventures they’re going to have! 🙂
Ha ha ok. Well its your opinion. You do realize that the dialogue is going to be awkward in a trailer because your only getting bits and pieces of a conversation? You have seen other movie trailers before right?
Yes obviously thousands and that particular bit is not very well done IMHO…anyway it’s just nitpicking. Still a very good trailer just did not blow me away like all the others did..maybe the music wasn’t rousing enough
Regarding the dialogue editing, I think they weren’t as careful because the intended audience is Japan, where most people would rely on subtitles. FWIW, I thought the most awkward edit was “The force…it’s true…all of it.”
That was better than the actual trailer!!! We got more dialogue more chewie and more story!!!!
1:22 o.0
HOLY SHI…….!!!!!!!!!!!!
My thoughts exactly!
same here, cinematographic wise, this is such a huge step forward for the Star Wars Universe.
Wow… I thought maybe you were being sarcastic. That is a very different trailer! O_o so much to take in!
Trailer for a foreign audience naturally needs more dialogue if there are subtitles.
I think foreign audiences who may not be as familiar with Star Wars needed a more linear trailer, with a discernible storyline.
Without the fantastic music from the third trailer, it didn’t incite as much of an emotional response from me! I give it 7/10.
To me it was the first trailer where I actually felt what this film will be like.
starting to give too much away now
I know maybe if you weren’t following this stuff it does hint at quite a lot. If you have been following the news… it’s pretty much what we’ve known/suspected.
I agree with Adavanter Mki, this is about the time if you want no spoilers to stop going to Star Wars fan pages and articles about the movie. Finn’s interview was pretty telling yesterday to. I think they have phases of NDA in which they can drop more subtle hints as time goes but certain things that can’t be disclosed. I still like the other Official trailer, but this one does tip some stuff off. The Kylo Rey part is clearly a shocker to most. Kylo must spare her for some reason. He goes soft on her, not sure how immune he is to the light side as some propose.
I thinkk its his Sister. He is threatening her in front of someone, maybe Po, maybe Luke or Han? Maybe he is telling Han or Luke, “you chose her over me, now im going to make you pay”?
I agree with Adavanter Mki, this is about the time if you want no spoilers to stop going to Star Wars fan pages and articles about the movie. Finn’s interview was pretty telling yesterday to. I think they have phases of NDA in which they can drop more subtle hints as time goes but certain things that can’t be disclosed. I still like the other Official trailer, but this one does tip some stuff off. The Kylo Rey part is clearly a shocker to most. Kylo must spare her for some reason. He goes soft on her, not sure how immune he is to the light side as some propose.
So Epic!
That blew away the MNF trailer, why didn’t they show that!
I love that it official confirmed the rumor that Rey is on Jakku waiting for her family. Plus that shot of Kylo Ren putting his lightsaber up to Rey, absolutely badass.
Yeah! What would be the one thing to make him stop?
FAMILY!? 😛
Speculating but man I’d love him to be related to someone on the good side.
What kind of jerk family would leave their daughter alone on some seedy, desolate junkyard desert planet?
This is why I question whether she is even related to Luke or Leia.
Here’s my theory: she is Kylo Ren’s (younger?) sister. Shortly after Kylo turns to the dark side and gains power, Han and Leia put her into the care of someone they trust on Jakku (probably played by von Sydow) so that she is out of harm’s way and and/or doesn’t turn like Kylo did (or some other reason, who knows). I think she knows who her parents are as she was probably only there for the last 5 or so years. She just hasn’t had any contact with them because of the danger that would pose to her. How that all fits in to the rest of the story? No idea. That’s my theory any way.
Second your theory.
I used to think this to, but with this trailer why is she waiting for her family then if she ran from them?
She could be waiting for them to reconcile. Assuming a wedge has been driven between Han and Leia, maybe due to the darkness of Kylo Ren. Or, Rey could have regretted running away from home, is now stranded on Jakku, and is awaiting her family to find her. The fact she states “family” in the trailer implies to me that she has more than a father (the Luke theory) waiting for her. Also, the Falcon being on Jakku is too much of a coincindence. Leia is on planet X, Han is maybe on a different planet than Leia (not Jakku), and Rey just happens to be stuck on the same planet as the Falcon (what’s the chances?). Believe the Falcon was used to get from her home planet to Jakku, and then there it was taken away from her, leaving her stranded all alone. From the BTS video we know Rey gets behind the controls of the Falcon. She also knows the layout of the super star destroyer on Jakku, an educated guess is that she is one flying the Falcon inside it.
Maybe the Max Von Sydow character knows her family, and has sent word back to them, resulting in Han and Chewie ending up on Jakku.
Oops my post was almost identical to the post after me..
Agreed. I think it will be something close to that.
You realize you just described Luke’s life to a T right? Just making sure… lol.
To be clear yes… Luke had his Aunt and Uncle. Who knows why Rey ended up alone.
Not really. Luke was left in the care of two adoptive parents, given food and a decent household while Obi Wan watched from nearby. Rey lives completely alone in a junked AT-AT and has to fend completely for herself.
I’m thinking something went south with how she wound up there. A lot like what Robb is theorizing.
Von Sydow is watching and sends a distress call to Han (Rey’s Daddy) and Chewie who come to the rescue on Jakku.
BTW I love this shot!!! It fits perfectly in a trailer for the land of the rising sun!
A family hiding her from death.
It is possible she was sent off in an escape pod or something to be spared during the Battle of Jakku. Much like R2D2 and C3P0. Maybe the last words from her parents were we’ll be back for you, this is for your own good. Perhaps Kylo wasn’t lucky enough to be spared as Rey was. Kylo was then trained in the dark side.
She is definitely not old enough to have been at the Battle of Jakku, even as a baby.
How old is she? We know the Battle of Jakku was 29 years ago but do we know when it ended? We really don’t know enough to really make a real determination. But reasoning for my post has more to do with why she may have been abandoned, it was likely more for her safety and being hidden from the Empire/First Order.
Well seeing as hoe Daisy Ridley is 23 years old, I suspect they won’t make her 29. But even if they did, the question becomes why was the baby at the battle in the first place? It just doesn’t make sense.
There’s obviously a reason for them doing so lol
Rey looking to the horizon – not good as far as Yoda is concerned…
What are you suggesting… that never her mind is where she was? Hmm? What she was doing?
TIES in the sun is a beautiful shot.
Agreed. That is a shot we have never seen before in this movie series. Brilliantly done.
HOLY SHIT. Fantastic 🙂 I think i need to change my underpants
That definitely sounds like new John Williams music to me. I actually like our domestic trailer better (it’s for a Western audience, so that makes sense), but this one was great, too. You can definitely tell it was made for a completely different audience though.
Williams does a lot better. They have other composers handle the trailer music while Williams finishes the film score. The Trailer 3 music was done by composers who specialize in trailer scoring.
It’s definitely at least in his style (as opposed to the domestic trailer). I’m 75% confident that they took stuff from his score and edited it to fit the trailer.
No way, it is completely different, the timing, the note progressions, the instrumental ques. Nothing like williams.
I feel international audiences need more of a linear story and that is what they got here. Rey is looking for her family.
“I feel international audiences need more of a linear story”.
I’m from Western Europe and i really don’t understand your point. I prefer the insinutations like the third tráiler gave to us, not showing too much. What all trailers should look like. This new tráiler it’s briiliant but for me shows more predictable points (but still not too much). I would prefer not to listen the “family part” for exemple.
Asian cultures are different from Western cultures. Plus, Star Wars is not as entrenched in their cultural fabric as it is here. They need an extra incentive.
Explosions alone won’t sell a film there. They need to know what it is about.
But overall, trailers for the Asian market are always a bit different. Take Ratatouille. The Western trailers were more comedic. The Asian ones were dramatic and more story-driven.
Is that Dodonna in the background at 1:03? Is that Commander Sato, too, in the middle?
I don’t think it’s Sato. Seems like he would be close to 70 in TFA era.
Yeah, I think you’re right. Dodonna would be super-old too. Maybe it’s Crix? He rocked the faked beard. Maybe he upgraded to a Santa-beard later in life?
I thought the same Robb. For me it seems Dodonna. In front of him is actor Ken Leung (don’t know if he is Sato) and next scene seems Poe Dameron
Sorry guys, but HO-LY SHIT this trailer is awesome. I don’t have words right now.
I am resisting to watch it… movie about a month away… ugh!
it actually shows quite a bit new stuff. tread lightly if you dont want see anymore…
Too late, already did but… I love the aerial battle shots. Especially in atmospheric aerial battle instead of space battle. 39 days to go…
http://youtu.be/SdAUiyeJMFQ
Really hoping the beginning doesn’t parallel the beginning of A New Hope *too* much…
well…..it’s going to
I swear to you, folks, if this just showed Chewie blowing up the falcon to nuke a Star Destroyer’s commando bridge, my reaction at the premiere showing is going to make it to the local press.
It’s the TIE fighter deck. When Finn escapes he blasts the hanger. They made it look like Chewie blew the bridge but it’s not what happened. He is certainly detonating something though.
^this
Chewy is detonating the charges they set on the star killer base, trust me….calm down dude
LOL!
Nah if you look in the corner of the explosion than you can see tie fighters. I think this is the hanger we saw that TE fighter wrecking in the second teaser
for a sec i thought chewie was blowing himself… FGS…
Love the X-Wing on-board camera shot. Reminds me of Top Gun.
Yeah I noticed that too. Some old fashioned dog fights would be great.
Wilhelm Scream: 1:21
Jesus!! What a surpirse!! The sun shots are sublime!!!
Oh YEAH!!
Retake that TIE fighter sunset! You left the mouse in the shot! 😛
Also, the best throwback in there: “Hope is not lost today, it is found”
Did anyone count how many corpses are in that knights of Ren shot? There’s at least 2 dozen deceased in that picture alone, the KoR are going to be badass
I can’t believe how blind I am. I love that shot and never noticed the dead! Wowza. Hard to say… I’d say 9 is a safe bet but it could be more.
I think this is a wider shot than we got in the MNF trailer, as the camera seems to zoom in on them. also, there were thunderflashes to obscure details.. It just adds to the hype bro.
None. Those are rocks not bodies.
The bodies look small, I wonder if they are younglings? Heh, there seem to be seven Knights, but it only took one Anakin to wipe out a whole temple of younglings!
No Luke?! hehe just kidding.
I dont know if this will be the best SW movie but will certainly be on par with ESB
I prefer the cinematography in Empire
judging by what? oh i love jj fan boys
Not a JJ fanboy, never saw Lost, didn’t like Into Darkness. But we can clearly see an attention to detail, lighting, cinematography, camera angles, shots, etc, we hadn’t seen since ESB. Tell me you didn’t like that Tie Fighter shot with the sun behind?
it’s okay, too straightforward homage to Apocalypse Now to my taste and nothing that’d knock my socks off, but it’s alright. i’m just trying to not get too excited, like so many fans over here, before the movie comes out to avoid being utterly disappointed and not enjoying otherwise good movie ’cause i set impossible expectations for it. just saying..
I have really loved all the trailers so far, and I think I will walk out of the movie with a massive grin on my face, having really enjoyed it. Whether it will stand the test of time is another thing, though. That will take several re-watchings 🙂
wow….
Awesome ! I think we can see when Chewie is not played by Peter M (Chewie looks here like the one we saw in the Force For Change thank you video).
What does Rey says to BB8? I don’t get the second sentence
Where do you come from.
I know all about waiting.
For my family.
Is everything she says to BB8.
I wonder if she’s implying that she’s waiting for Luke or possibly Han and Leia. 😀
if you listen closely, you can tell that “I know all about waiting” and ” for my family” were taken from two different scenes. and were manipulated to make one sentence in the trailer.
Agreed. I just gonna say something like that.
“For my family” seems so weird in there
Rey says that she is used to waiting. If you listen closely bb8 replies with some beeps, which could be “what are you waiting for” she then replies with “for my family”
Already the best Star Wars movie. I don’t even need to see it.
And with that up-close shot of the crossguard lightsaber, I am now sold on it.
I was about to say… that saber has really really grown on me. Probably how the production staff felt after awhile.
Seeing it up-close like that, and also in the shot with Rey, really makes it look on the verge of out of control and unpredictable, and adds an entirely new sense of danger to it. I’m even more excited to really see it in action now.
now, imagine that in IMAX 3D … *unzips*
it honestly looks crap
Agreed Jude. Its been a progression hasnt it? I mean obviously JJ and Kennedy knew what they were doing. I didnt like the movie name at first, now I love it. I didnt like Finn, Po, Snoke or Phasma at first; now I love those names. Thought the cross hilt light-saber was a gimmick, now I really like it. What a great experience this last year has been! And to think we get to do this at least 2 more times!!
I’ve always thought the lightsaber was more about Ren’s character than a gimmic, but that’s just me.
Looks like the ability to construct a true light saber was lost in the last 30 years; and Ren is able to cobble together a very rough copy – which is great.
Brilliant
“I will fulfill our destiny, I will finish what you started” Most people are going to take that as confirming that Kylo IS Vader’s grandson….Although I really think he is…for some reason I am not buying the fact that these line’s are being spoken to Vader…I think he is talking to Snoke/plagueis. and putting Vader’s helmet there is to throw people off.
Agree 100%. The Vader shot is to throw people off.
If Snoke really is Plagueis, and this is who Kylo is really talking to, Then maybe showing Vader’s helmet is referenceing what Snoke “started”. Since Plagueis is the one who created Anakin with the dark side of the force. Maybe Kylo is referring to finishing the plans Plagueis had for the Skywalker bloodline that he created, and fulfilling the destiny that Plagueis had planned out. Just a theory, but MAN that would be awesome!
Is the “Plagueis is the one who created Anakin” out the window now?
I just think JJ Abrams is going to ignore the prequel trilogy, and these next 3 films are going to exist as a continuation of the original trilogy. You can watch these next 3 without having ever seen the PT. Just my impression. Therefore, I don’t think there will be any reference to “Plagueis” or “Sith”.
JJ is definitely not ignoring the prequel. Not sure why people think this. They did say they are moving away from midichlorians, Not mentioning it isn’t the same as abolishing it. As much as it must be painful for you to hear. Episode I, II, and III are definitely canon. Plagueis does exist in Star Wars canon. His backstory e.g. the Darth Plagueis novel is not canon. Further backing the idea that Snoke, not Hego Damask could indeed be Darth Plagueis. Plagueis also won’t necessarily be Muun. But would be a great boost to the credibility of the power of the dark side of the force in The Force Awakens.
Kylo wants to finish what Palpatine started by turning Luke to the Dark Side…
JJ doesn’t just have free rein to do whatever he wants. Also, Disney isn’t ready to simply write off those films. A recent poll of Star Wars fans found that Obi Wan is the most popular character. This is mostly due to the prequel trilogy and the Clone Wars show.
Actually, he kind of does. They gave him a TON of freedom on the story.
JJ isn’t making this movie by himself. He was given a story idea by LucasFilm and has freedom to make changes, but this trilogy is better than JJ.
Agree 100%. The Vader shot is to throw people off.
That was my thought as well. Just because they play that audio over the image of Vader’s helmet, means nothing. I’m not certain he’s even talking about Vader at all. There’s no conformation of anything, really.
All the analysis seemed to be on “what did he mean by ‘what you (Vader) started’?” What seems to get missed is, Kylo Ren, they’ve said, does not see himself as a bad guy. If he is, in fact, talking about Vader, he could easily have what he thinks is a noble mission.
Wow. Wow.
I swear to god if you were to add just one more sun in that sunset landscape shot, you wouldn’t be able to tell Jakku apart from Tattooine. Moisture vaporators!
I really dont understand everyones obsession with Tattooine. Its a different planet, not sure why people cant get that.
More than happy to see our red armed bandid again :).
Probably has been captured and interrogated by the resistence? A resistence spy?
Poe and Leia in the background??
I like their poster more. Nice.
I like their poster more. Nice.
GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
OMG
AHHHGHGHGHGH
I was one of the “underwhelmed” people after the previous teaser and trailer. Not sure exactly why, but this one knocked it out of the park for me. Awesome, just awesome.
I think this one was edited better. The last one was a little too action heavy – but I understand why they did that for marketing purposes.
So Rey is “waiting for family” and the Knights of Ren seem, to me at least, more and more to fit with the Darth Vader comics where he sets up a secret order/group of his own….
For a moment, I thought they were going to give the trailer an Anime style one because it was done in Japan…
Sorry if you may find this offensive.
I thought the editing felt a little weird and dialogue seemed shoved into some places but I think that’s just because it was an international poster. All of the content of course looks awesome
i agree 100%. It isn’t as epic as the other trailers, but it is definitely welcome! I honestly didn’t think we would see anything else XD.
I mean that shot with the lightaber in Rey’s face is awesome!
yes.. yes it is! must be the same part where this happens…. http://static4.techinsider.io/image/55ea99099dd7cc25008b8763-5760-3840/star-wars-kylo-ren.jpg
Yeah I think all of the forest planet stuff is Maz Kanata’s joint. I’m just wondering what happens there that gets EVERYONE all up in arms. I mean if all they’re after is Finn for going rogue then you send someone to do that on their lunch break. But this is an all out Resistance vs. First order battle and even Kylo Ren makes an appearence!
I bet it isn’t so much a ‘Finding Finn’ thing, and more of a ‘Finding the Resistance Base’ thing.
I dont think the Resistance base is near Maz Kanata’s place, but I could be wrong.
Everyone could be wrong! just speculation 🙂
also, does anyone know what that planet is? I mean…. lush planet…. all i can think of is Yavin IV
I think Maz Kanata’s place is on Tokadona. I know I’m spelling it wrong, but it’s something like that. The Resistance base looks a lot like the base in ANH so I think that’t on Yavin.
What about Starkiller Base? Think it might be Hoth?
Maybe! Hoth didn’t have forest on it though!
Ah yes.. i forgot about the Kylo Ren/Finn scene…… oh well. Hell, they are probably all new planets. OOO! maybe the Resistance base is on Alderan! wait.. nvm…. 😉
Yeah they are probably new planets!
Not sure how accurate google translate is, but thought I toss the description in
we need a japanese friend to translate this better
Love the Japanese translation of Kylo Ren to Cairo Wren 🙂
I think that the “That weapon is mine” line that the Kylo Ren toy says could either be about Anakin’s lightsaber that Finn has OR it could be about Rey’s staff. Since Kylo Ren is working for Snoke maybe Snoke has sent him after the staff because Andy Serkis tweeted a picture of himself in Mo-Cap gear holding a staff
I believe Luke’s original lightsabor is the MaCguffin for the film. Rey’s staff reminds me of what the battle droids used in Revenge of the Sith.
Now I can be sure that the one in the floor dead or badly wounded is Finn, (we can see the jacket) when she’s kneeling next to him, Kylo aproaches the saber to her face and delivers the line. It makes sense he’d want Anakin’s saber.
So who is standing there on the top of the sand dune. It does not seem to be Rey. Is it a sandperson maybe :), or Von Sydow?
I think it is Rey. With her quarterstaff sticking out of the sand.
Apocalyps Now!
WILHELM SCREAM!!!! THERES A WILHELM SCREAM!!!
The end scene with Rey over the body– I’m guessing that’s “force ghost” Luke appearing to her, telling her to come and train with him. Presumably, Luke’s learned to project himself “force ghost” style despite being still alive. The light blue glow on Rey’s face, the leaked shots of Hamill/Luke in what looked like publicity photos were probably for CG. It also explains why Luke hasn’t been in the trailer: it would give too much away, and why everything surrounding his character in TFA is so secretive. Thoughts anyone?
My thought is Luke isn’t dead, he puts his hand on R2-D2 in the trailer.
That’s right, he’s not dead.
Not that he can’t die before the movie is over and reappear in force ghost form.
I don’t think he’s dead, and I don’t think he’ll die. As I wrote, I’m saying, he’s learned to project himself *despite being alive*.
oooooh! Astral projection using the Force? what an interesting idea…
I’m positive that this mechanical hand scene from the trailer is from a flashback. That may be Luke, but it’s a younger version of Luke.
I think that’s the moment when Luke decides: “R2, let’s go and never come back.”
Agreed. Flashbacks are weird for Star Wars.. OTOH, something about that scene definitely seems like “younger Luke”.
I don’t think so. His hand had flesh when he was younger. I think the hand’s flesh rotted away at some point and that’s why it is now just a mechanical looking hand. Plus flashbacks in Star Wars? Nah…
I think Rey’s understanding of who her family is is much like Luke’s in A New Hope. He had been told things about his father, but it was merely “what his uncle told him.” I believe the scope of the film will be Rey learning who the Skywalkers really are, learning about the force, learning about her brother or cousin Kylo Ren (still haven’t decided which they are), learning about her father or uncle Luke and what he did, and her character arch will be accepting her role as a Skywalker and force sensitive.
Which, if true, is largely a reboot of the OT with different characters (i.e Rey replacing Luke). Hardly original, but it will probably work. Finn and his backstory will be the new original elements to the trilogy. though.
Isn’t that what people want? One of the biggest complains about the prequels was that they were different…
The more I see the more stoked I get.
Love the shot of the TIE’s coming in with the sunset(?) in the background.
Reminded me of “Apocalypse Now” which GL was involved with (so may be one of JJ’s easter eggs)
Had no idea Lucas was involved in Apocalypse Now (lined up as the original director and early involvement in the script). I’m kind of glad his involvement was minimal, otherwise the movie wouldn’t have turned out as he did.
Lol, Chewie with the detonator! Love it.
Did you catch the Wilhelm scream during that explosion? 😉
No! Thanks for the heads up.
Jakku had two suns. Just saying.
(official pic from Battle of Jakku teaser)
No. It didn’t. There is only one sun.
I have a theory. I half expect a shot in the movie that does a slow pan out that reveals a second sun. Surprise!
I think the shot we see in the new trailer (sunset with vaporators) is strongly suggesting an empty space in the sky (photographically is a weird composition, unconventional for a movie like this)
Very interesting thought…
The trails and the debris are all around the sky, this is what you see raining down. It’s a sun. Jakku had two suns.
No doubt, the higher one is a sun. But the bottom one does look like one too… An explosion?
Just check the trailer. It’s a static light during several seconds, one of the few things that doesn’t move in this trailer.
If it does, my theory is that Jakku may be in the same system as Tatooine. Perhaps it is one of these planets we see in the opening shot of A New Hope. http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/chron/tatooinebig.jpg
I was thinking that too, maybe it is in the same system…
Well, that’s really interesting my friend… 😉
That’s what I think! I think it’s in the Tatooine system
I don’t think so. If you read Lost Stars the book ends with the battle of jakku and from the dialogue it is nowhere near the tatooine system.
Oh, well, then there you go lol. Off topic… but i just bought 4 MORE tickets to Star Wars. i currently have 8 tickets in my possession. 4 for 17th, 4 for the 18th!
Are you going with friends, or are you going to see it four times each day?!
friends/family lol. I am going on the 17th at 7:30PM to see it in 2D Dolby ATMOS, then the next day at 1:20PM in IMAX 3D
You are imagining things (c)
go and drink some vodka, grigory
Kylo Ren’s line now given more context….
“I will fulfill OUR destiny….I will finish what you started.”
Clearly indicates he is bloodline of Vader….either Luke’s or Leia’s child. Probably Leia’s as Adam Driver does closely resemble Han Solo (redlettermedia credit)
This is why I think Snoke is the most pivotal character, he clearly brainwashed Kylo.
Well the name Kylo is a mash up of Skywalker and Solo.
I will be damned. I never noticed that but yeah, it could be.
Who’d name their son Kylo Solo? Clearly that turned him into a bad egg
from the beginning. Like calling a kid Richard Richards or Dick Dickson.
Or he’s talking about the destiny of the Knights of Ren.
Or it’s Snoke speaking of his relationship with Palpatine and the desire to control the “Chosen One/s” (Misread the prophecy may have been)…
As immune to the light side as Kylo might be, he sure seems to have a soft spot for Rey. And sounds like he’s nearly in tears talking to Darth Vader’s helmet as if he lost the battle and wants to extract revenge.
Where do you see a soft spot for Rey ?
He doesn’t kill her?
Exactly, if she’s still alive, we don’t exactly know the true chronology of the trailer compared to the film. But if Kylo let her go there is a soft spot for her. Kylo sounds upset when talking to Vader helmet, whether or not the sound clip is from talking to the helmet or not, the tone in his voice sounds like he may not have succeeded in his plans in Episode VII and will avenge Darth Vader in Episode VIII. This time he likely won’t spare Rey.
I’m assuming she’s alive, given that she and Mark are the only people who are confirmed to have actually shot scenes for Episode VIII.
Could be a force ghost tea party in Episode VIII.
I know they could be just from tattooine, but, doesnt any one notice that the town attacked by troopers is a tusken riders village? as I see
It seems Jakku at night for me. Probably i am wrong. We will wait and see 😉
AHHHHH
Now we know Han isn’t the one who dies…
how do we know that?
The crying scene is longer and better lit than the first trailer, you can clearly see Finn’s jacket, look at the left side of the screen.
Looks like it.
han also wears a similar jacket.. and poe too
Han and Poe’s jackets are a different color than Finn’s though.
not really.. they’re kinda similar
’cause he’s in episode 8
Not officially.
If you believe that, there’s a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you.
There is nothing to suggest ANYONE dies, certainly not a permanent death – even if the “Rey crying” scene is of a “death”, what evidence is there that a “resurrection” is impossible? Luke is the Ultimate Healer in the Galaxy… can anyone smell petrol???
In regards to the shot from both trailers with Rey over the body, while I believe that Rey is Luke’s daughter, IF she is in fact Han and Leia’s daughter, then the body could be Han’s. It could play out like this: She for some reason has been stranded on Jakku, possibly for her protection. She meets Han and they bond before revealing that he is her father. She has been waiting for her family her whole life, finally meets her father, and everything is great, then she finds out she has a brother, Kylo Ren, and he resents his father for some reason and they fight and Han sacrifices himself to save them all. That would be a pretty strong arch for justifying her crying over his body.
Han is working on episode 8, so he’s not gonna die in this movie
We have no evidence of this. The only people who have worked in Episode 8 were Daisy and Mark.
and boyega, ford and somebody else, i don’t remember exactly
No. They shot only a couple of days in Ireland and only Daisy and Mark were there. Principal photography only starts in March. They shot in Ireland this year because of the weather. We have pictures, evidence. Ford was in the States during that shoot.
ok, you are well informed=) let me see the pictures, please)
Sure.
http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2015/09/beardless-mark-hamill-spotted-in-a-pub-in-portmagee-first-picture-with-daisy-ridley.html
All about the shoot and pictures of Mark and Daisy.
have you checked the cast of 8th episode on imdb? ford is in
IMDB has zero reliability for upcoming films. Zero. Anyone can edit it.
Yep, there’s no official confirmation. Just Luke and Rey have filmed so far.
I’m pretty sure it’s Chewy =(
Someone brightened the shot on Reddit.. It’s finn
Kylo Ren says, “I will fulfill OUR destiny”! What does that mean!? Did he say that in the other trailer?
No. This trailer is a lot more spoilerish.
I think he is Vader’s grandson.
Because of the way the shots are paired, it LOOKS like he’s talking to Vader’s helmet. But we don’t know that’s the case. He could be speaking to ANYONE when he says that. He could be talking to Supreme Leader Snoke or General Hux or anybody.
Yes. He could. But I don’t think so. The trailer is trying to give us a little plot here. I don’t think they’d be blatantly lying. Abraams must have learned from the Khan snafu.
Could be he just feels a kinship as a fellow sith (or deluded wannabe Sith) and feels his kind is destined to rule the Galaxy
It could, of course. It just doesn’t feel like it, from all I’ve heard.
No, he didn’t say the “OUR destiny” line in the previous trailer. Maybe he means our family’s destiny ?
It’s all in his training from Snoke. Kinda like how Anakin was raised by Jedi, Kylo likely was raised by Snoke doesn’t know any better, it’s all he knows. Snoke likely told him a false story as Darth Sidious did to Anakin. The interesting part is Kylo will eventually learn the truth. Does he follow the real path of his father and overthrow Snoke?
goddaaaaaamn! cinematography in the movie is certainly going to be the best in the saga, every shot in this trailer is gorgeous. man, this is exciting
Yeah, gonna set a new bar. It does look different, but not in a bad way. Feels a lot like Empire Strikes Back with a lot of colour and light being used (think orange glow in the carbon chamber, all the blues and oranges as Luke fought Vader. Has a nice realism to most of it, not the plasticy smudgey cgi look of too many films these days.
JJ does move the camera around. A LOT. Almost too much. There’s no need for that quick move into Chewie’s hand as he hits the button, that felt kinda cheesy, but of course we’ve only seen the shot in isolation. Going to look amazing, and feature a pretty strong story and a great cast of characters. All the effects work looks sublime and so realistic… definitely going to be a great film and a great Star Wars film.
also, just because 2 shots in a trailer appear to follow each other doesn’t mean they really will in the film. It may play out a little differently.
No, the camera moves slowly in pretty much every shot, except maybe the Knights of Ren shot, the one with the Millenium Falcon from the second teaser and just a little bit here and there, but certainly not like in JJ’s Star Trek movies.
I disagree. Lucas was the king of quick cuts. Go back to Empire and the original Star Wars. He cut like crazy.
BADASS
Impressive … most impressive.
Ah screwed it. Just watched and I think its pretty awesome!
You can only resist one hour and a half. lol 😉
I thought not to see it too. I couldn’t resist.
Same here lol! I was telling Wife I wasn’t going to watch it. 10 minutes later she called down the hallway “your watching it aren’t you!”. “Yes! Lol!”
Heheh yeh its hard not to click onto the video… twas a long hour and a half!
It’s neat to see how JJ is referencing certain classic movies with one of these shots. In an earlier trailer, a shot of Finn and Rey running from the explosion has a TIE fighter over their shoulder like in North By Northwest, and now you have a TIE fighter shot very reminiscent of Apocalypse Now. So cool.
Oh man your right! Great catch! That scene in Apocalypse is iconic!
And can now be thrown on the heap because those TIE Fighters are AWESOME 😀
I jest, I jest…partially..
Is it only me who gets the feeling that this metal thing looks like a bad CG?
That actually looks practical.
Yeah doesn’t look like bad cg to me
All right. I am wrong. I was thinking about this thing as much bigger than it actually is, so I guess that was the reason why it looked CG to me….
But man… It’s an AT-AT foot, damn it, of course…
Don’t worry. We all thought the same about BB-8 in that first trailer from a year ago. “Man, that’s so obviously CGI it’s disgusting.” Once we found out it’s a prop: “OMGAH IT LOOKS SO AMAZING!”
yeah right XD
Bro, that metal thing is an At At foot, some of the first leaked pictures ever actually showed that physical object was being used .
OH MY GOSH!!!!!!!!!! How didn’t I notice before?!??!?!? :OOO
Thanks for the pic! I remember it from summer 2014, but I just didn’t realise that the thing on the front is actually that leg
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zhizn horoshi, kak tvoy pozhivat
Kak i vse my, peresmatrivayu treiler! On kruche iz raza v raz!!!
dude, are you from Russia? i know some russian words from dota, but i’m not that cool to hold a conversation
Yeah, I’m sitting right here in Moscow) From dota, huh? You’re pretty good then!
and you damn good at english! that’s quite unusual for me
Yeah, but I actually couldn’t SPEAK English like… at all xD But I don’t really need it. Actually, all I need is watching Star Wars in the original cause our Russian dubbings are pretty awful. There’s two of them but both awful. Sucks.
are there words like suka blyad idi nahuy in dubbed star wars? ahaha
ahem, no, luckily xD Just, for example, Han and Leia’s dialogues are far worse than the original. Just poorly translated
What I said was “Like all of us, rewatching the trailer. It’s getting better every time!”
yeah, but i like the third one way more
It felt very strange to me when after “stories about what happened” Han said “THE FORCE. It’s true”. Didn’t like how it sounded
me neither, they just replaced the old phrase and i don’t why.. maybe they didn’t care ’cause it’s Japan, you know, they don’t understand anyway=)))
See and this whole time I was concentrating on the ship in the background. Looks almost like a Republic frigate to me
And I was concentraiting on the AT-AT foot, which reminded me of the Separatists’ Shuttle 😀
Thats funny, because that is one of the props they built in the desert.
I didn’t think that was CG. I looks like a prop to me. Obviously a upturned foot of an AT-AT.
Is it just me, or does it look like Kylo’s blade is distorting the area around it? It almost looks like it does some weird temporal/special thingy when you look at Rey’s body…
Yeah, it seems like the saber bends light rays around it, creating some sort of mirage optical effect.
Would that “optical effect” help Kylo on a lightsaber duel ? Or would it be a disadvantage ?
Maybe it is just the uncontrolled nature of the plasma of the blade.
It looks like a heat distortion effect. I’m pretty sure Andrew Kramer from Video Copilot came on board at some point (he did Star Trek’s credit sequence after all) and he just released a heat distortion plugin not long ago that does the same effect.
Am I the only one thinking about Rey’s pronunciation? Apparently you say it like “Rai”, but is it just me not paying attention to people saying it or is this new here?
she’s english, nothing surprising)
She is supposed to have a Coruscanti accent which is the SW equivalent to posh english. So I guess that’s why she is pronouncing her name like that.
Man, its practically a new trailer !
This trailer is good, but the one we got weeks back was better in my opinion. I think the music may have a lot to do with it.
From a cinematographic point of view, the previous trailer was better, but this one is far more spoilerish .(“our destiny”, “waiting for my family”, “hope was not lost today”, etc). We can only speculate now what that means.
Totally agree. This one seems to be more mellow and character centric. Loved seeing more chewie and our original droid friends.
AHHHHH!!!!!!!!
SWEET! Ok, so it’s Chewy that gets it then =( I am sad =(
I am guessing Chewie and Han both die. First Han gets stabbed by Kylo, then Chewie gets shot by Captain Phasma. This way you hate the new villains completely and look forward to revenge in the next set of films.
I am guessing that neither Chewie or Han die in TFA. I will guess that Han dies in Episode 8, and Chewie will join the new generation characters for the duration of the trilogy.
Great now I have more questions..Disney why you do dis?
Needs more Finn and Poe….it’s why I’m even considering watching this in the cinema. So please…let’s get a Finn trailer out. Thanks
What’s wrong with Rey?
Absolutely nothing. But I just prefer Finn. Hopefully I won’t be called sexist for saying such?
That is why I asked. In order not to make assumptions.
Not a problem. Just that some of us are not swooned by Daisy’s “beauty” and will do all to protect her and say she’s great no matter what. If she’s great, she is great, if she sucks…then she sucks
She is gorgeous though.
To you. Forgot to add that little tidbit.
Do you disagree? Of course, you’re entitled to your opinion, but I’m just curious why you don’t think so.
Not really my type. I don’t believe anyone is ugly as that is a very harsh thing to say. But I used to live in london and go to school there, and she looks like most people from over there. She’s not like a Meagan Goode or Megan Fox who would turn heads walking down the street
Why would you even assume that…why is everyone tip toeing around and being so PC. How about we just take what the person says at face value. He likes one person over another, STOP READING PC INTO EVERY LITTLE POST.
I did not assume anything, did I? I simply asked why. Maybe he doesn’t like the actress’s portrayal. Maybe he doesn’t like that she seems to be a Skywalker and would prefer fresh new characters. Maybe he just likes Finn better because he looks more fun and Rey seems rather serious. I wanted to know and asked. Asking why, I wouldn’t need to make any assumptions. I asked and he told me. I just reassured him sexism didn’t really cross my mind.
Your response was pretty uncalled for, then.
Yeah. The more we talk straight the better. I can understand why white guys or girls would connect with Rey or even the Asian market would. But being black myself and i know other black women would identify more with Finn. Some white guys though, may still identify more with Finn. So it’s all about what sits well with you. I just don’t understand how Rey can be the hero of this.
I think after you actually watch the film, you will. How much do we know, really?
But I have to say she comes across more prepared and fierce than Finn in the trailers so far. He often looks scared and overwhelmed. She has steel in her eyes.
she does? I think you need a bit of steel to be a soldier
Yes, she does. She always seems to be more in control and know what she is doing, while he seems scared, out of breath and overwhelmed.
And again, Stormtroopers have not been that competent, historically.
You would be out of breath if you just crash landed in the baking sun of a planet wearing all that gear.
No, I wouldn’t. I would just walk it off like a boss, the way Harrison Ford does when he crash-lands planes.
Nah…
“I just don’t understand how Rey can be the hero of this.” I hope that she is, because that would be awesome. She seems to embody much of what was so great about Luke finding his way and discovering who he truly was; a journey that he started out upon in A New Hope.
Nothing wrong with Finn, I just prefer Rey. Kathleen Kennedy said that the new trilogy is going to continue the story of the Skywalker legacy. Which is a smart move. Anything else would directly contradict the overall intentions of Lucas for the different trilogies in far too major of a way. Finn can be a great new character, but I doubt he is a Skywalker. If Rey is not a Skywalker in some form, I admit that I will be disappointed.
There’ll be a lot of Finn for sure, but Poe certainly isn’t even in the trio of leads in this movie…
Poe seems like a smaller character to me. He’s certainly not the new Han.
If they make him like such a small character that is dumb. He could be used really well like Han, to augment the finn and rey characters which is what ford did, being the strongest actor in the film
Well, I have not seen the film. I can’t say it’s dumb. Many times a great actor having a small but poignant part elevates a film.
It seems to me Rey, Finn and Kylo Ren are the main characters and that Han Solo also has a good part. Perhaps bigger than Poe.
Poe could also be a character that has more of a presence in later episodes.
Maybe Poe’s role got reduced as Han’s role was increased. Maybe Poe will become a major player in VIII.
Possible. It was speculated as much, when Arnt left.
I think if they made Rey a small character, that would be dumb. Thankfully, it looks like they won’t be doing that. So at this point, I’m a happy camper.
I think people are going too far with Poe having a small role…I think his role is big, just his part of the story is not as connected to Rey and Finn’s story which has been marketed the most so far, they seem to be together quite a lot in the movie
I think if he were a big character, there would be more of a push, even if just for toy sales.
ridiculous. Isaac is the best actor out of them three. And this Ridley chick man…not feeling her vibe. If she’s the STAR of the whole thing. Man…don’t know about that.
Mmmm it’s all about perception, I suppose. To me Ridley feels like a 100% match with Star Wars (despite being an early Poe fan :-D)
True. To me, she does not bring the same vibe Hamill did, while Finn is bringing in that new stuff. But I want to be proven wrong by her.
I dig her. She looks to fit well in the universe. Can’t wait to see how badass she turns out to be. I hope she wears all black and wields a double bladed lightsaber.
This “trailer” was indeed centered around Rey. I believe we’ll get more Finn spots later though.
Talking about Rey, it looks like the theory that she somehow got abandoned/stranded on Jakku at a very early age might be correct after all. She’s still “waiting for her family” after all those years, but does she know who her family is ? And, even more significant than that, does her family know she is still alive ?
Maybe she’s just chilling on the desert…
Don’t sit next to me please.
Rude
For me its the opposite. Needs more Rey. I think her character could be great for TFA’s Luke Skywalker role.
Go away George!!!
I think the body is an injured Finn on the ground after he faced Kylo and then Rey has a go at him
Let’s hope not. I truly hope that is not the case. For your sake.
Oh fuck off already you eejit.
No need to resort to insults.
I hope they don’t cut his hand. It would be borderline ridiculous. Maybe a leg?
if he gets owned and rey then does better against kylo than him, that will be the DUMBEST thing I will ever see. A freakin scavenger does better than a soldier?
Again, we have not watched the film. Maybe she has Jedi training.
And let’s be honest, Stormtrooper training doesn’t seem to be that effective. They can hardly hit a target.
I think stormtroopers are supposed to be much better in this.
And come on, in the first film she just comes and owns Kylo, who also knows the force as well? That’s ridiculous. She would get annihilated by Ren
Why? For all we know, they could very well be brother and sister and have similar powers and training.
Plus, Ren reads to me more like a wannabe than a fully formed warrior.
bro, have you seen what kylo ren looks like and his saber….HOW can a scavenger last two seconds?
Is she really just a scavenger or is that just a disguise?
And what have we seen Kylo do, really?
its star wars, the entire movie is what’s supposed to answer that question
The same way a farmer can destroy the most powerful battle-station in the galaxy.
The farmer being Luke Skywalker aka Mark Hamill…HUGE difference
Again with the farm, again with the Mark… the same whiny little boy wanted to go buy power converters… “but why can’t I” was his favourite question… he even pissed off Yoda on occasion…and this is your reasoning?
Maybe she only lasts one second. Maybe you should watch the film in December and find out.
There’s a lot about Rey that is not being spoiled in the trailers. Her being able to hold her own in a duel with Kylo is not the “dumbest thing ever”. Why do you think they made the character proficient with a weapon(such as a Bo staff) that requires a pretty high level of acrobatic ability to use effectively? Also, just because Finn is bested by Kylo in a duel and Rey is not, that doesn’t necessarily mean she’s able to defeat Kylo. Without going into any spoilers, perhaps something happens during the duel that prevents either of them from defeating the other.
Why can’t Finn just fight Kylo by himself? Why does he need help? He has the damn lightsaber on all the posters. It’s between him and Kylo
Why is between him and Kylo?
Rey and Kylo are rumoured to be related. It would seem it’s much more between them.
But on the poster to the left you have the bad guy, and to the right the good guy. And the finale of the trailers have them both fighting. Where does the chick come into it?
OK. I gave you the benefit of the doubt. Now you are sounding sexist.
But to answer you, in all posters Rey is the central figure and in the main poster her staff and Kylo Ren’s lightsaber are paralleled, indicating that the duel is between them.
Finn comes off as the Han, while she is the Luke.
She also seems to be a Skywalker and the saga films are about the Skywalkers. Even if it’s a “chick”.
Did Han ever fight with a lightsaber? Or did I miss a film….
He used the lightsaber on Hoth to cut open the tauntaun.
I will try again. Did Han ever use a lightsaber to FIGHT?
My guess is NEITHER of them can hold their own against kylo. Both Rey and Finn seem to have some martial arts training based on their background, but I think Kylo has the power to crush both of them. I bet Finn will hold them off long enough for Rey to realize her destiny and help, then rey will have a “Use the Force” moment where the force guides her to JUST BARELY fight Kylo Ren to a draw so they can escape. If Finn is a Jedi then he is a noobie since he has been a trooper most of his life. Rey at least may have had some force training before/while in exile on Jakku
She can’t have had Jedi training and know nothing about the force. Just listen to Han’s monologue on the trailers about the stories being “all true”.
We have no idea how the dialogue actually plays in the film.
Maybe she has had a “memory wipe” to protect her identity?
Yes she can. She can have trauma-induced amnesia. Just because she doesn’t remember having undergone some early childhood Jedi training (that was prematurely interrupted) does not mean that it never happened. Amnesia induced by some early psychological trauma.
She was trained when younger by her uncle Luke alongside her brother Kylo. The staff hilt is a saber hilt.
wha? That’s ridiculous
sounds kind of like a farm boy holding up well against darth vader….hmm…..
Yes.
A farm boy called Mark Hamill….BIG difference.
Is that because he came from a farm? Or his name is Mark?
Ummm no. He was a poor solider. She is a scavenger on a harsh planetary world. It’s not rocket science, but she could easily kick his ass….
hahah…okay….a scavenger…
A scavenger that doesn’t seem to know who she is and has incredible skills… I seem to recall a recent TV series putting forward a story regarding a heavily tatooed woman with memory loss who had the skills to overcome incredible opposition…
The scene where Rey and Finn tell each other their names takes place on the Falcon, doesn’t it ? However, they probably only get to the Falcon long after they first meet on the desert. Does that mean they go through all those running/chasing scenes without knowing each other’s names ?
Well, I wouldn’t stop and ask during explosions.
I lolled 😀
He’s obviously seen too many Michael Bay movies
It’s about trust and confidence. Finn is a fugitive from the First Order, Rey is reluctant to disclose her name due to her family’s background.
Clearly Kylo Ren’s light saber is amateurish and not smooth. Must be part of why he wants Luke’s. He is no Sith, yet.
Yeah, that red cross blade of Kylo’s shouts “unstable” – whether this can be interpreted as “amatuer” is a good question… I also like the theory that it is a reconstruction of Vader’s saber lost in ROTJ, maybe using the (damaged) crystal/s… how Vaders saber was recovered from the second death star poses an interesting question though…
So I am more baffled than ever. I do NOT read spoilers (why would you want to know what happens before you see it?) and this trailer kind of threw me off. Very mellow, almost investigative. I read somewhere that the toys released so far only represent the first 1/3 of the movie. Wondering if the trailers are the same thing. Only showing us scenes of Jakku and occasionally that frozen planet. Also, did the lightsaber scene with Rey give you the feeling they know each other? Her and Kylo? I know some are saying they are both kids of Luke or Han and Leia or something like that. Something about that scene, really felt like that. It didn’t look threatening like he wanted to hurt her, but like her wanted her attention.
Also now wondering if maybe she is the force sensitive and not Finn. Like Finn uses the saber just to protect her at some point but she has the power and Kylo is trying to pull her in like Vader and the Emperor did to Luke. I don’t know. Damn, this last 5 weeks are gonna take forever.
hopefully not. I want Finn to give Kylo a beatdown with some force and saber moves.
I don’t think that’s gonna happen.
Then what’s the point in the film? The chick comes and uses some magic to defeat Kylo? Man…where the hell is Luke Skywalker, the actual main character?
Pretty sure Kylo is going to kill Finn and leave, then Luke shows up and talks to Rey, then she goes and trains with him Dagobah style. I’m betting that’s the last 15m of TFA and the first 15m of ep8.
Would be a bit of a shame though; Finn seems cool and I’m hoping they don’t just plow through characters per-film like the prequels. I’d rather see the same characters on a journey through 3 films, like the originals.
I like having stakes. But I’d miss Finn. He seems fun. Maybe they could kill off someone else.
lord in heaven…..WHAT?!
On the other hand, Kylo may be the one who doesn’t survive TFA as all indications are that Boyega will be on Episode 8 whereas there is no confirmation yet that Driver will.
Well Finn won’t be able to do much, if he has the Force he wouldn’t have much control over it without training. My guess is that battle we see in the frozen forest will have Finn protecting Rei and then he either gets cut down or hurt, and suddenly we see a green saber and it is Luke stopping Kylo from killing Finn.
I have thought since really early in production that Luke was missing because he had to embrace the dark side to beat Vader. While he rejected the Emperor, he still needed the strength to beat Vader. And now he doesn’t want to infect Leia or let negative actions overtake his sensibilities. After all, Yoda said “forever will it dominate your destiny.”
I am a bit new to this star wars stuff. But is that chick with the staff the hero? As in she will have a final battle with the villain? That can’t be right. I’m confused, or maybe this trailer is really just a misdirection?
Everything indicates she is the hero of the film. The trailers. The posters. It may be misleading, but it seems that way. And the trailer above heavily implies she’s the daughter of a Skywalker.
Damn it…
I think we should watch it before judging it. She does look fierce, though.
Not really. She looks like a girl, who runs like a girl, and acts like a girl trying to act tough. Not her fault, just genetics
And you look like a sexist jerk. I am done with this conversation. Thank you for your time.
The 1950s called. They want their sexual politic back.
Wasn’t even a thought in the 1950’s. It was just an observation. So a girl should now run like a boy? How does that work? It’s not an insult to her. Just that I prefer classic heroes with a sword or lightsaber to be guys. How is that a bad thing?
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Yes it’s a bad thing. Joan of Arc is pretty classic. You can have strong male or female characters.
Joan of Arc never participated in a fight. She had armed guards for that. Just saying….
She most certainly participated in many battles as a flag-bearer, though being a pacifist you’d be correct in that she never killed anyone personally. I don’t think that would preclude her from being a person of great strength however.
Quite the opposite in fact 🙂
Perfect response! Was going to reply with almost the same thing.
Wow, dude. You must get a lot of dates with women.
I actually do.
Just the same way Luke was in ANH, a whiny little kid who just wanted to go to Tosche Station with his friends to pick up some “power converters” instead of doing his chores (in hindsight “power converters” may have been code for “babes”…) Look how that turned out, heh?
Japanese trailer, Korean poster. Sweet!
Is it possible to fall in love with a droid? BB-8 is just the cutest thing!
I read on the daily mail webshite recently that BB8 is supposed to be female. Didn’t think robots had a sex, but then I suppose their default has been male up to now, so maybe they kind of do.
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Ok, I’m going to take a wild ass guess at the plot setup based on this latest trailer. Everything here is pure speculation – no inside info or spoilers. Poe Dameron finds Anakin & Luke’s lightsaber. He “calls it in” to the Rebel high command (Leia). His transmission is intercepted by Kylo Ren (who collects Force artifacts). Kylo Ren arrives on scene and captures Poe, but not before he jettisons BB-8 to Jakku along with the light saber and gets a message to Rebel high command, which dispatches Han Solo and Chewbacca to Jakku. Kylo Ren interrogates Poe using creepy Force Powers. Poe gives up the location of BB-8 and the light saber. First Order forces are dispatched to Jakku and they reek havoc as they search for BB-8. Meanwhile, Han Solo arrives in time to rescue Rey, Finn, BB-8 and the light saber. I’m going to guess that Rey is Luke Skywalker’s child and Han & Leia Solo’s niece, left on Jakku before Luke went into seclusion and that her staff is also some kind of Force artifact. Why hide her? Perhaps Luke did this to hide her from Kylo Ren, Supreme Leader Snoke, or maybe even himself (in the latter case, she was left there by Han & Leia). I think Kylo Ren is Han and Leia’s child and Luke’s nephew. Adam Driver (Kylo) is about 10 years older than Daisy Ridley (Rey), so I further speculate the Kylo Ren was Luke’s apprentice before something went awry with his training. Luke may have stopped Kylo’s training for his life of seclusion or perhaps Kylo turned to the dark side during his training. Rey was very young when left on Jakku by Luke (or Han & Leia) and that’s why she doesn’t totally buy the stories about the Force. Who raised Rey you ask? I’m going to guess that she has been Max Von Sydow’s ward during her time on Jakku. Han and Leia knew she was on Jakku in the care of Max Von Sydow, but they left her there for her own protection. Unfortunately, Max doesn’t make it through that storm trooper assault on the village. If this sounds a lot like the plot set up for A New Hope – I do not think that is coincidence or lazy writing. After rereading my theory, I’m pretty sure that Han & Leia left Rey in the care of Max Von Sydow after something went awry with Kylo Ren’s training under Luke. Maybe they feared it was Luke going over to the dark side. One more theory – Max Von Sydow will turn out to be Han Solo’s old man and Rey’s paternal grandfather. Think about the parallel’s to Indiana Jones & the Last Crusade. That could be 100% pure WIN and AWESOME!
Good guess, but I don’t think Han/Leia, Luke or anyone in her “family” would have letf Rey to wander around as a scavenger on the Jakku desert. I may be totally wrong, but her “waiting for my family” line suggests to me that she got lost on Jakku as a child (maybe on a shipwreck ?) and had pretty much to grow up on her own (maybe with Max Von Sydow’s as a less-than-ideal father figure). She seems worse off than Luke, who at least had a proper home with his uncle and aunt, or Anakin, who was a slave, but had his mother nonetheless. I also strongly suspect that, whoever her family is, they assume she is not alive and has not been alive for a long time.
Ok mabruno, I’m going to build on your theory. I still maintain that Rey is Luke’s daughter, BUT she is unaware of her lineage (as was Luke) and Max Von Sydow told her she was shipwrecked or abandoned. Max Von Sydow is still grandpaw Solo, but he keeps that secret and lives the life of an anonymous junk collector (like “old Ben” Kenobi) while also spinning tall tales about the Force, so that Rey will be ready to take up the family business one day. The more I think about this, the more I am sure that Han & Leia are hiding her from Luke. The question is, WHY? I don’t think Abrams and Disney would take the risk of Luke going full blown Sith Lord and cheesing off the fan base. Maybe because when Luke trained their child (Kylo Ren), he broke bad. HAVE I BLOWN YOUR MIND YET?
OH SNAP, what if Max Von Sydow is not grandpaw Solo, but instead CANAN from STAR WARS REBELS?! At first, I thought, maybe he’s one of the Lost Jedi from the aftermath of the Cone Wars, but actually Canan (about 35 when Luke was 18 or so in ANH) would be about the right age and they are just similar enough in physical appearance for it to work.
Kanan! you might have something there. maybe luke freaks out after kylo’s training goes south and he hides his daughter rey and puts her in the care of max von sydows character who might be kanan. luke is at a secluded sith temple that he’s been guarding for the last 15+ years. he’s guarding it from snoke, kylo and the knights of ren.
The Kanan = Max Von Sydow theory came out a fair while back. If you google it, you’ll find an image comparing Kanan to a young MVS and the similarities are eerie. That said, I’d want to know what Kanan was doing throughout the OT…
Living on Jakku where he still is 30 years later ? Having said that, I don’t think MVS’s character is Kanan,
I think Yoda and Co. would be aware of others still alive during the OT…
I wonder if Max will call Han “Junior” 🙂
Looks like we are in for a treat!
My punk-ass internet seems to have decided its too crap to play videos just now. Annoying timing.
on modem?
yes. Virgin media. An ISP from the dark side.
HAHAHA
They should have released this one instead of the last one.
And just look at all those glorious shots of Not-Tatooine.
While I’m certain it’s not Tatooine, I’m waiting for someone to point to the picture of the setting sun over the horizon, and say “the other sun has already set – it’s still Tatooine”!
Feels like a lot at stake for these characters. I’m not so sure Leia or the planet she’s on makes it out of this movie. Same goes for Poe. Starting to think Poe’s Black squadron might be some kind of kamikaze mission.
I was intrigued with “hope was not lost” today. I wasn’t expecting the First Order to win the day, but maybe they will have the upper hand at the end of the movie. That BTW would match the idea of Kylo’s story as a “reverse Luke story”.
Also, our heroes probably meeting a mentor figure at the end of the movie instead of the beginning. JJ seems to be consciously rearranging the narrative pieces from earlier films.
This is a great surprise. Here is what the Star Wars The Force Awakens poster – Japan variant looks like. http://i.imgur.com/JH3E56s.jpg
Was excited to read the 80 new comments since last time I checked, wait, no 40 of them are from some sad pathetic sexist dude ‘Have Hope’ dissing Rey’s character at every opportunity. Can I please have an ignore option to remove his comments? Thanks.
Truth.
Damn.
Sorry if I came off as being sexist, maybe it’s just how blunt I am.
I think she will be great, she looks like a nice girl. But I think it would make for a better story is she’s just the scavenger who does amazing things to help the rebels and Finn is the Jedi who has to fight off Kylo with the lightsaber.
Unfortunatley if they aren’t dissing her they are dissing Boyega.
Wow…that shot of the tie fighters with the sun setting is absolutely beautiful…maybe the most beautiful scene ever in a Star Wars movie.
Holy Sh*T!
I just got home from work ,this is the last thing i expected to see!
Visually at least,this film will be a treat,lets hope the rest falls in to line, all the acting from the 3 trailers has been good so i’m hopeful in that regard ,that just leaves the story …….heres praying……IMAX Dec 17th can’t come soon enough
HEY!!! We’ve got a synopsis for TFA in Russia! Here’s my translation:
Thirty years after the death of Darth Vader and the Emperor the galaxy is still in danger. The government (public education?) “First Order” led by their mysterious supreme leader Snoke and his right hand Kylo Ren following in the footsteps of the Empire, trying to grab all the power. At this time, not an easy fate brings young girl Rey and former First Order stormtrooper Finn with the heroes of the war with the Empire – Han Solo, Chewbacca, and Queen Leia. Together, they have to fight the New Order, but comes the moment when it becomes apparent that only a Jedi could stop Snoke and Kylo Ren. And there is only one of them in the galaxy alive…
why nobody reply that’s huge news and it’s true all of it i swear
Well, it’s pretty much what we already knew. The Japanese synopsis at least had brand-new information.
Viral Hide did reply. He said it’s fake. He asked you to show the original Russian text.
This is FAKE, I just checked. Show us the original Russian text.
When i first heard Kylo’s voice i wasn’t convinced but i love it now,he doesn’t sound like your typical villain , he conveys emotion really well just in that short piece of dialogue ……in short Ren’s just Badass
His voice is terrible, he sounds like something off those Xena and Hercules shows from the 90’s.
That international poster. With the Korean or Japanese writing. Want!
this trailer is very heavily focused on rey…and bb-8…and look at leia’s face/reaction. it’s like she’s heard some bad news or surprising news.
Not impressed, I was fooled for a while but this has proven they’ve Disney-fied it. I hate Rey and Finn’s voices and I say this as someone from the UK. J.J. screwed it up. Hard. It doesn’t feel like Star Wars anymore.
It dosent feel like Star Wars since 1983. Imo lets wait till the movie before judging.
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Maybe a friend of old mate Garindan from ANH…
Wow! I already loved Daisy Ridley, and this made me love her even more! Can’t wait to see the movie! I love the image of the TIE fighters in front of the setting sun. Also love the shot of Kylo putting the lightsaber right up to Rey’s neck!
Loved the TIE fighters in front of the sun! And I’m trying to think of anywhere in the prequel trilogy (or OT for that matter) where a non-force user had a lightsaber jammed in their face. Must be terrifying!
Ah, try Mace Windu sticking his purple blade in front of Jango Fett’s neck in AOTC…
New silliest thought: is chewie blowing himself to save Han?O_O This could be the saddest/terrifying/impressive/grieved moment in cinema history
I don’t even want to think about that!
Such awesome flexibility for a Wookie…
He does have a life debt to Han.
The ensuing explosion in the trailer is just a misleading edit. Chewbacca is actually giving a PowerPoint presentation on the various tree species of Kashyyyk.
And BTW, I would love to see Rey kick some @ss with a lightsaber and the force! I have two young daughters and would love for them to have a strong female hero to look up to!
Rey’s not experienced enough to fight that way yet. Maybe by Episode 9…
Hmm why in the last screenshot it looks like all three blades of the lightsaber are kinda connected… Like there’s a hole in the hilt at the top
I thought the same thing but looking closer it seems to just be the saber color reflecting off the metal of the side emitters.
It’s all in the original cross blade design…
Why there aren’t posters like this anymore? It’s a shame… This poster itself is a peace of art…
i thought jar jar was salacious crumb after a death sticks addiction
this movie looks so well shot… though i do see that JJ is a fan of top gun with that cool X-wing shot and pretty much any michael bay movie with the Ties coming from a setting sun.
but this is good enough lucasfilm, please no more trailers. 🙂
I see everyone saying it’s beautifully shot, and for the most part it is, but the 2 shots (Kylo igniting his lightsaber and Rey on her knees with Kylo behind her) just looked afwul to me it looks fan-made not at all professional, and the trailer in general I find to be just plain bad, music is shit and I didn’t find any emotion. Seriously after the last trailer I felt goosebumps again and again but now it feels like the prequel trailers, badly edited. FYI I’m a firm believer that this movie will be great it’s just that one trailer ruins everything for me.
Remember that this trailer was intended for the Japanese audience. There may be different things that would entice the Japanese audience that they were going for with this trailer.
I realise that, I just wished I didn’t see that, it’s maybe time I distance myself from this site until the movie comes out ^^
That or a few Big Lebowskis to divert your attention…
You know what your right, it’s been a while since I’ve watched it ^^ But still I’m like all of you I want to know everything but deep down I want to be the kid that went for the first time see Star Wars in cinema in 1999, I really don’t want to be spoiled, I’ve waited too long for this movie, we’ve all been. Plus I’m feeling stressed over the fact that I can’t go see it on the 16th (I live in France) and I’ll have to wait the 20th with people around me that will have seen it and are going to talk about it people who don’t realise what Star Wars is to me. You know writing this has just made me realise what earlier generations felt before the prequels and why they bashed it so much ^^
I must admit to feeling the same in regards to the music and emotion… nothing was built upon.
Music was likely outsourced. Film composers usually don’t do the trailers.
I’m polar opposite of you.
The cinematography and sfx look fantastic….
what doesn’t look good is boyega…ugly, ugly, ugly.
He’s not a looker, but I have grown fonder of him because he is charismatic. Plus, she has great thighs and butt.
Pretty subjective thing there, man.
I think it would make for a better story if this scavenger character stays at one, but she can still be strong in her own right and is able to rise above and do amazing things despite her humble upbringing in a desert world.
Let Finn be the chosen one with the lightsaber.
I think that would make for a better film in my view.
“Let Finn be the chosen one with the lightsaber.”
Terrible idea.
Why would this be a terrible idea? He looks great with the lightsaber, and Rey (her name?) looks great with the staff. She should be the strong scavenger girl helping out Finn, the Jedi. Makes most sense.
Well, he’s not easy on the eyes for one….aka he’s ugly.
Movie goers don’t like staring at ugly people for 2+ hours.
This doesn’t lead to a pleasant experience.
Okay, what about those I know who think he looks great and think Rey is ugly?
I don’t really get where you’re coming from bro….
Nobody thinks that dude….
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To help you understand, look at a picture of a young Billy Dee Williams then compare it to Boyega.
Is there a comparison? No. Not at all.
I guess it’s subjective and who your circle of people are.
There are people I know who think Boyega looks great. So again, all about perceptions.
And sorry, the chick in this doesn’t do it for me. That’s just my take
Where did Jedi Finn get his training?
Who knows what past he may have had…..
But the way he holds the saber on that poster…he knows what’s up and what time it is.
Yah, Finn does appear to have a handle on that saber… a lot like Luke in ANH when Old Ben hands him Old Blue and Luke starts waving it around like he’s been using a practice saber for years, when he finally gets hold of the real deal he whips it around with confidence…
I agree! The “chosen one” should be a Skywalker.. not some random dude
Another trailer that disappoints by not showing a shot of Jar Jar Binks! 😉
Or should I say Supreme Leader Binks?
Jar Jar Ren’s cousin… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a7757ff98ed9183578613994b7bc1685db420c8e694bb6d0899189f224263ba8.jpg
“I’m going to destroy your planet now, okie day?”
We could use a transport…
Don’t worry, Snoke will turn out to be Jar Jar’s son.
I think there was a Wilhelm in the trailer. Well done, sound department.
Could anyone explain why they have a different trailer in Japan? Also, after the second teaser, this slightly different teaser popped up in Korea. Marketing?
Probably a similar reason why there is a different trailer in Australia, they don’t speak English…
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Didyabringabeer? Or are you from Gidgegannup?
Because they have a different culture and different things appeal to them. For starters, a trailer with more of the plot suits their taste.
A trailer with more of the plot suits their tastes? Think about how that sounds.
And it’s funny, you can apply that PC crap to just about anything. / “So the Japanese get a different trailer based upon their different cultural tastes and understandings? That’s racist!” / You see..
PC crap? Racism?
What you are even talking about?
Hahahahahaha.
Are you going to deny that America (and Western civilization in general) are a different culture when compared to Japan (and the Eastern civilization in general)?
Just for starters, Star Wars is not ingrained as part of the Pop culture fabric in Asia as it is in America. Overseas movie-going wasn’t as big three decades ago as it is today. People are not as intimate and familiar with Star Wars there as we are here. Hence, we just need imagery to rekindle all our nostalgic feeling of a franchise we already love. They actually need to know what this film is about to be interested.
Go watch an AK48 music video and then tell me if that would work in America.
Different cultures have different parameters and tastes. Smart Marketing adapts. Watch Ratatouille American and Japanese trailers. It’s like they are selling different films.
I wasn’t implying that your statement had any relation to my following statememt. My apologies.
As for the cultural differences, yes, there are, though my point was that the Japanese [or any other culture for that matter ] would have any say so about plot details from the film makers who have been very reluctant to reveal those details, regardless of culture.
That is not what I meant. What I meant is that a trailer to effective there, where not everyone is familiar with Star Wars, needs to give a basic framework of the plot, so people can be interested in watching that story.
The America trailer relied heavily on nostalgia and didn’t really clarify what the story was about. That works here, because Star Wars is familiar to us on a deep level. It wouldn’t work there.
But these are universal themes, my friend.
To say they tailored the previous trailers to Ammericans because they knew about Star Wars already betrays that fact. It also betrays the fact that Star Wars is a global phenomenon.
Universality is universality.
Star Wars is not that universal as you think. The movies were released in China only this year, for instance! Overseas movie-going wasn’t as big three decades ago as it is today. They are not so intimately familiar with it as we are. I don’t even remember a time in my life when I did not know Star Wars! I am not sure people in Japan feel the same.
That is like saying they could release a Kamen Rider film in America and not show anything of the plot in the trailer. In Japan, they’d all know who Kamen Rider is. Not in the USA. Hence, they’d use different trailers. They’d need to show us the basic framework of the plot.
Also, tastes vary. This more subdued, slower trailer is more according to the Eastern film taste, compared with the more frantic American trailer. For instance, animation. Western trailer focus more on the comedy. The Asia-specific trailers that Disney / Pixar release focus more on the story and drama.
It’s smart of them to tailor their marketing to the audience.
Nope Star Wars is pretty universal dude. The Phantom Menace made over a half a billion dollars overseas.
I disagree. I think it’s pretty different having had the films be part of your culture for almost forty years and being available for four months (China). And, even if it were, what appeals to different countries varies. Like Americans have no problem with violence but are very uptight about nudity. Or the French having no problem with nudity, but being sensitive about violence.
I’m sure Lucasfilm and Disney know what they are doing. Disney/Pixar have cut exclusive trailers for the Asian market for years and their results are outstanding.
My money is on them knowing what they are doing.
Kai is making some really good points. Having different cultural views on things is not racist it’s just how it is. Star Wars is as universal as it gets and certain elements are still seen in very different ways. I’m from Germany and I know a lot of people here (even the Star Wars fans) disagree with how ok it is to kill people (even the bad guys) in the films. It’s maybe not the very best example but it’s the one coming to head right now. So, sorry if you think that’s racist but the reason we see and hear so much BB-8 in this trailer is because he’s a cute beeping robot and this is a trailer for Japan…
But regardless of how the trailers portray the film to differing cultures, there is only one film!
The Germans I saw reacting to the trailers seemed to be pretty excited to me.
And likewise, why do the American’s think this new Japanese trailer is so awesome? Shouldn’t they feel different about them since they’re apparently tailored to another culture?
Americans in general didn’t see the Japanese trailer. Just hardcore fans that follow Star Wars news pretty much daily.
I’m sorry. You never convince me all cultures are the same and react the same to advertisement, Which is what a trailer is. Specially when Disney has always cut very different trailers for Asia.
Kai, I understand the concept of having different trailers for different cultures. I’m not denying that. Happens all the time, under normal circumstances. Again, my point is that a movie as secretive as this would reveal more of the plot to a certain culture is novel.
Thank you.
Stop apologizing to the PC police people. I will fight this indoctrination crap with every post I can.
Um Star Wars maybe be bigger in Japan than it is here. One of their airlines this year painted their planes as different characters from Star Wars. The Jedi who are basically Samurai have a certain appeal to their culture.
How much did the original trilogy make? Which these films are actually sequels to?
Did you notice the opening image of the 2nd SWFA trailer for Korea? It began with a sweeping shot of a vast totalitarian military parade and speech of the First Order (with hundreds of troops lined-up), and it seemed to bring to mind something from North Korea which South Koreans may react to with more familiarity. The shot was not used in the 2nd North American trailer. Very selective of Disney.
Official synopsis from Disney:
“The first chapter of a new Star Wars trilogy. This is the story of Rey, a lonesome heroine who is waiting for her family; with the power of the Force, she begins a new tale of “family love and loss”. Antagonizing her is Kylo Ren, a villain who manipulates a cross-shaped light saber. A new legend begins here!”
http://furiousfanboys.com/2015/11/rey-is-confirmed-as-the-lead-character-in-the-force-awakens/#rkIUKdySOZi3S7hM.99
“a lonesome heroine waiting for her family”
If that synopsis is legit, it is the first official confirmation that Rey is force sensitive.
This trailer seems to hint even stronger that Rey is a Skywalker.
As I said, the character posters released yesterday made me think “family” (Rey, Han, Kylo and Leia). And now this Japanese trailer starts with that theme, too, emphasizing it throughout:
Maz: Who are you?
Rey (with hesitation or resignation?): I’m no one.
Rey or Maz (?): Where do you come from?
Maz: I know all about waiting. (merged clip) For my family…
Then the next three characters shown: Finn, Phasma… and that dramatic shot of Kylo.
Kylo: I will fulfill our destiny.
He says “our”. Is he referring to the Knights of Ren, or him and one other person (sister?)?
Shot of Rey crying with Maz’s voice-over: Hope is not lost today. It is found.
I think that is Captain Phasma with the I know all about waiting line….
WHAT IF
Rey is an ex Knight of Ren, who abandoned KOR briefly before 2nd Jedi Purge thing? That would explain her combat skills and Kylo’s “How come you’re just a scavenger” and fulfill OUR destinies quote
She knows little about the force or the history of the Galactic Civil War and the Old Republic. There is no way she’s ever been a Jedi or a KOR. Most likely, she went missing on Jakku as a child and her family simply assumed she didn’t survive. It’s the most probable explanation.
Her natural fighting skills come of course from her connection to the force (albeit unknown to her at first) and her experiejnce having to survive on her own in the hostile Jakku environment.
and how did you obtain all of this information?
If she’s being honest…
“Hope is not lost”…
In the original trilogy Luke was the ‘new hope’. We see Rey looking up at something/one as the line is spoken. Is it the return of Luke at a key moment?? Or am I reading too much into this?
That’s what I thought when I first watched it.
No, I don’t think you/we are reading too much into this at all. I am feeling very sure that Lucasfilm is carefully doling out clues. “Family” is emphasized in this trailer.
The strongest conclusion: Rey is a Skywalker. Her mom is Leia. Kylo is her brother and son of Leia. (Rey and Kylo could have different fathers.) Kylo will reveal himself to his family, and ask his sister to join him to fulfill their grandfather’s destiny. (His reveal, unmasking himself to Rey could be this movie’s “Luke, I am your father” moment.) Those character posters released together are like a family photo album.
And there you have it… the Finn connection. If Kylo and Rey can be same Mother/different Father, then Finn can be also… Lando had quite a thing for Leia in ESB…
No no no, in Star Wars (later “rebadged” A New Hope) R2D2 carrying the plans of the Death Star was the “hope”… Luke was a hint at a much larger story, that as time progressed (and the story changed) became so much more significant…
Actually in A New Hope… The line your our only hope…was Leia speaking to Gen.. Kenobi.
I’m just remembering Empire when Obi-wan says to Yoda, as Luke leaves for Bespin “that boy was our last hope”. Obi-wan was indeed referred to as Leia’s and the rebellion’s ‘only hope’ but I always see Luke as being the new hope for the ‘dark times’.
I think she is talking about today.
November 6-7th, it is a coded message to someone that date is important.
“Hope is not lost, it is found.”
Of course is a personal, subjetive opinion.
General Leia seems to be referring to the failed battle against ‘Catapult’, but I’m not sure who the hope is (unless it is Luke).
“Hope is not lost today” is said, while Rey is shown crying over a lying body.
You bet not be talking about that boy who is “our only hope”!!
It sounds like General Leia talking after the failed battle against ‘Catapult’.
Just watched this and it is amazing! Its coming out soon and I will be watching it again on the big screen, was leaked on ( r4w.co.uk/movies/StarWars ). Probably be taken down by the time anyone gets to it but I am glad I got there fast!!!
Aye, nae doobt.
i watched it too! it’s pretty amazing, wonder how they got this leaked, with all this confidentiality surrounding the film! it was great to see Big Three reunited again and learning that Finn is Han’s and Lando’s son was a major surprise, nice work JJ.
“learning that Finn is Han’s and Lando’s so” What?! How would that even be possible? No way.
Personally I believe this is the trailer that should have been show though I love both of them favorite part is kylo-ren pointing the light saber at rey. And the tie fighters and in the background the sun. Also when rey says “Hope is not lost day” sounds like a call to arms for the resistance to attack star killer base.
OK, I read Japanese. Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but at 10 seconds in, during “Who are you?” the subtitles say, “Omae wa dare da?” Not exactly the nicest thing to say. Literally, “who the f*ck are you?” “anata wa dare desu ka?” is polite. This woman is NOT Rey’s friend. It literally means, this person in front of me, what are they doing here?
domo arigato jeff-san. definitely intriguing
This adds to my theory that the voice saying “Who are you?” is actually Phasma.
Its not, its lupitas voice.
I’m sorry, but Maz just sounds like a well spoken Lupita Nyong’o. Why didn’t they hire a really good character/voice actor?
Well spoken? As opposed to?
I assumed they meant “instead of an alien character”.
What the heck is this supposed to mean? Lupita was educated at Hampshire College and Yale, and has won an Academy Award. Damn right she’s a super-smart, articulate, brilliant person and a fantastic actor.
I meant her voice sounds too ‘clean’
Sorry man. I apologize. I over-reacted unfairly. There are just so many bigots on this board that I assumed your comment was racist too.
A bigot isn’t a racist, just putting that out there. It gets used interchangeably with racist, and it’s always bugged me so I had to be pedantic about it. 🙂
I liked the footage in this trailer. But I think the US version was a better put together trailer.
Had many other thoughts here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnEj4C70AwU
On the point that Rey cannot be a Skywalker unless she is Luke’s daughter, allow me to make a few comments based on real-world facts.
King Willem Alexander of the Netherlands calls himself Orange-Nassau like his mother, (former) Queen Beatrix, and not Amsberg like his late father, Prince Claus. Likewise, Prince Charles (the Prince of Wales) uses the name Windsor inherited from his mother, Queen Elizabeth II, and not the name of his father (Mountbatten). Incidentally, both Prince Philip and Queen Beatrix also took their names from their respectivmothers as Prince Philip’s patrilineal name should actually be Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg, rather than Mountbatten (Battenberg), and Queen Beatrix’s patrilineal name should be Lippe-Biesterfeld, rather than Orange-Nassau. As another example, Princess Estelle of Sweden, rather than adopting her father’s name (Westling), uses instead the dynastic name Bernadotte from her mother, Crown Princess Victoria, and from her grandfather, King Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden.
In other words, it has become increasingly common among European royal houses to no longer change their family names patrilineally as it used to be the case in the past. Since TFA has been written from a 21st century feminist point of view and the Skywalkers are a kind of “royalty” of the force world, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if Leia’s children were considered Skywalkers as opposed to Solos or whatever their father’s family name is.
I just don’t see Luke being a father. It would be unnatural for a Jedi master. Kylo and Rey would fit perfectly however as Leia’s kids.
I have loved every trailer and am mad because now I am expecting a great film and wanted to keep my expectations low. But I think the last two trailers are different for different cultures. America like explosions and guns and intensity and violence, so they showed that.
Japan is a much more subdued and reflective culture, and this trailer reflects that. I am glad that most of the movie doesn’t appear to be mindless AOTC action. (I liked 1 and 3, hated part 2). It looks like a deep story with a lot to digest.
Glad I have tickets for the 7:00 PM and 10:30 PM showings on Dec 17th.
Exactly.
Yeah didn’t have Leia Han theme…but they weren’t shown together either.
Because of this trailer in the one we got rey shooting the blaster now seeing this trailer rey is probably shooting at kylo-ren
Not sure if I’m just hearing things … but is there a Wilhelm scream at 1.21?
Yes, there is.
It makes me so happy to see the star wars staples return. Too much fan-service isn’t good, but its just not a star wars movie without at least one Wilhelm scream!
So basically, if Finn turns out to be a Calrissian…people will suddenly not have a problem with him…
I would. Everyone needs to be someone’s child? Is BB8 the love child of R2D2 and C3P0?
I’m OK with someone carrying the family torch. But not all characters.
No…BB8 is the love child of R2D2 and a soccer ball. I thought he should be named F1FA.
Probably the love child of R2D2 and the city computer at Bespin. R2 should know better about talking to a strange computer.
I do not have a problem with him now.
It’s so weird, Boyega looks like he is totally into the role (the role of a lifetime), a fan of the series and every scene, albeit many with him panting and sweating, look more convincing than any scene with Hayden Christianson. So why the hate?
I admit it might not be just racism, but like with President Obama, who many hated before he stepped foot in the Oval Office, if you don’t have a valid reason to despise someone of another race, it will look like racism. I hear the complaints of it being “too PC.” Yet Han, Leia, Luke, Chewie, Rey, Snope, Phasma, and Hux(?) are all white. Just odd. It’s a damn movie and one many of us have loved. Why can’t people focus on that? They have NO idea what the story is, unless they read spoilers, but still they don’t really know, but they have passed judgement.
I really worry about America sometimes. I think this is what watching Fox News all day does to people. They just hate anyone different simply for being different.
Um, Chewie is black. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2aec1f3ba02c6ba894fd38cf14cdc7d774b5f9e8f397548d738b1a12fd86e6cb.png
LOL. No, he is wookiee. I assume this is a joke but if not the actor inside is a white English dude named Peter.
That’s not funny.
I’m white and am usually pretty laid-back about PC stuff, but that’s the most racist comment I’ve seen in months.
It was a comical retort to what the gentleman above said
Who the heck is Snope 🙂
Snope is from a secret order “The Order of Snopes.” Their sole task is to fact-check claims.
They even have a website, http://snopes.com.
LMAO. Sorry guys, meant Snoke.
Oh yeah I’ve heard of Supreme Leader Snopes of the Knights of the Snopes…just didnt know they were Star Wars related.
Like with BHO…MOST people had a problem with him being raised a COMMUNIST and attending church with Rev. Jeremiah Wright!!! SO KNOCK OF THE PC GAME!
^ See what I mean?
No, Marcadimus…we don’t. The liberal lie is that anyone who opposes President Obama is racist…the truth is that he is just a horrible leader. I could sit her forever detailing 20 policies of his that have been horrendous but, quite frankly, I come here for Star Wars discussions…not for politics. That being said, your little Fox News stab deserves a rebuttal. Like there aren’t liberals who get their political socialization from those great bastions of journalism “The Daily Show”, “The View” and “MSNBC”? Liberals also are embarrassed of their own country- “see what I mean”, “I really worry about America sometimes”, “See, this is the lunacy that makes the rest of world think we are bat$hit.”–all quotes by you. You know what? Even with our horrible President I still appreciate my country. One of the reasons I dislike a Chief Executive who apologizes for it all the time. You, sir, sound quite indoctrinated to not even understand some of the charges and accusations made against Obama here…its’ like you have never even heard these assertions before. Where were you in the 2008 campaign when Rev.Wright and Bill Ayers connections, as well as Obama’s famous “spreading the wealth around” comment by Obama was made? Perhaps, just perhaps, this is where the charges of radicalism come from.
When did he apologize for our country? All the time? Do I care he went to a church with a looney pastor? No, but I worry about anyone who goes to church period, though Obama seems far too smart to “actually” believe any of it, it is for show, like Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Nixon, etc. He has a tiny connection to Bill Ayers, from when he first started. Good luck finding successful politicians with no connections you won’t like. But hey, keep hating him for being just like the rest.
How dare the President show concern about civilians and police shooting and killing (and instigating it) unarmed people of his race. Yeah, the President should just say, “that n***** got what he deserved.” I am extremely well versed in politics. Instead of telling me to do research, maybe you should read your own post, not as a anti-Obama zealot but just from a neutral point of view. I think you will see how this falls into “Obama derangement syndrome.” My dream is for people to actually judge people on the content of their character, but like Obama, and John Boyega, that often seems to be nothing but an afterthought.
That said, I hope you enjoy the movie too.
Raised a communist? Seriously?
Yes, F’in seriously, apparently you do not like to educate yourself. How’s about you take a look at where and by whom he was raised. And who his friends are/were. Honestly, I always wonder where the 40% of useful idiots are hiding, now I’ve found another one.
LOL
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I don’t hate Obama for being half Black. I hate him for being anti-Liberty and a Communist elitist. I don’t like Ben Carson because he’s black. I like Ben Carson because he’s NOT a Communist and he actually contributed to society with a real job…
^^ I’m with this guy
See, this is the lunacy that makes the rest of world think we are bat$hit.
Anti Liberty? Which liberties has he taken from you?
Communist? Which policies has he pushed and signed into law that would qualify as Communist?
He was a professor, worked at multiple law firms, spent the smallest amount of time as a community organizer which is what I assume the snide comments are referring to. So helping people, teaching and legal work is not a real job?
Again . . . insane.
I do not doubt Obama’s credentials, my point is that Obama’s race is NOT why I dislike him.
Carson’s lack of credentials is a weak point and is the main reason why I’m on the fence about him being elected – though he, as a man, I have a tremendous amount of respect for, and this goes beyond his race. If you sent me an unlabeled transcript of one of Obama’s speeches and one of Carson’s speeches, the outcome would be the same [for me]: Carson is way more trustworthy and grounded of an individual.
I didn’t realize Barack was an actual professor, but the main point about race not being the key factor here [for SANE republicans that is, I will not attempt to defend Trump supporters, most republicans think the man is insane].
Though there ARE OTHER CANDIDATES. Fiorina and Cruz are, I think, better all-around candidates and better prepared for office, though Carson is a rock-solid individual with NO regard for public opinion – which unfortunately, means he’s setting himself up to be the next George Bush, which is why I’m doubtful that he’s the right man for THIS job.
I think the thing about Carson that’s resounding with people is that he doesn’t come across as being groomed from birth to be president. Obama is “groomed from birth” – central.
My entire point is that people hate Obama and few have any reason to do so. Do i dislike Reagan for his irresponsible fiscal and monetary policy, his giving weapons to our enemies and lying? Yes, but I don’t hate him. Do I dislike Bush #1 for declaring war on a tyrant his group armed to the teeth? Yes, but I don’t hate him. Do I dislike Clinton for being swarmy and lewd and for allowing horrible banking and other deregulation to get a few Democrat bills passed? Yes but I don’t hate him.
Now with Bush #2, yes, I hate him. I hate his weakness in letting others run his administration. I hate him for being willing to use evidence they knew was faulty to engage in a revenge war. I hate him for not using the 9/11 attacks to push for unity and national pride, but instead as a pretense to take away liberties, let his cabal start a revenge war, and pour money into connected corporations. I hate him for not caring about FEMA botching Katrina. I hate him for not taking his position seriously, I hate him for making irresponsible speeches, decisions and provocations that endangered our citizens. I hate him for intentionally letting Enron go hog wild with no regulation, and not doing a damn thing for all those citizens wiped out due to his crony capitalism. And most of all I hate him for sending so many soldiers to war without caring what happened to them.
So when it comes to Obama and people viscerally hate him, yet he has done very little for people to hate him. It seems like it is all backlash hate because of how much our country came to despise Bush #2. Be honest, the hatred of Obama occurred before his first day in office, and that is just embarrassing for our country. At least with Bush, there were MANY reason.
True, people were too quick to judge Obama, but the guy hasn’t redeemed himself, so it’s pretty hard to defend him.
Completely disagree. Sorry. Many people HATE him. And for absolutely sane and legitimate reasons, reasons I knew long before he took office. Unfortunately, most people DID just see the color of his skin and vote for him, which is why we are in this mess. I urge you to watch some videos on who reared him, along with who his friends were during college and which church he attended. All, are decidedly Anti-American. How about you listen to his wife saying she is “For the first time in my adult lifetime, I’m really proud of my country” and let me know what you think. Anyway, it’s just sad we can’t talk about what we all love, Star Wars. Instead it’s boiling down to the PC police trolls watching for a about how someone doesn’t like Finn or Rey and they jump on the person for being “racist” or “sexist”. They don’t have any clear facts (which libs generally don’t), just name call and hope it sticks and the person gives up. So. Let’s talk Star Wars!
Give me a break. How any conservative can say other don’t care about facts or are more anti-American than the GOP is a display of how brainwashed you are. I voted for him because he was an optimist, a great speaker (matters in our sound bite world) , and fiercely intelligent. As opposed to the grumpy old guy who sold off his maverick base and then nominated winky dink to a heartbeat of the office. Talk about anti American.
But you’re right. Let’s just focus on Star Wars. So what is driving this hatred or Finn’s character? Considering we have seen maybe a minute of screen time of him and heard three of his lines. Would love to hear.
So you’re with the crazy guy?
You clearly have no idea what communism is. To you, “liberty” means the right to force fascist ideas on others.
Sorry, but Fascism is when you want to force the Citizens to give up their right to self defense, the wages they earn, and the right to buy whatever kind of light bulb they’d like to buy…
And my Vietnamese friends have told me plenty about what Communism really is.
I agree with you. And I’ve never read anything negative about Billy Dee Williams playing Lando but some freaks out there sure rant about John Boyega playing Finn. You’re also right about hate in America…it’s boiling over.
Fox News is bad, so is CNN though. Overall, everyone in the States is Bat-Sh## crazy [sorry :/].
Our media is insane. Owned propaganda machines, every single one of them. Our people really aren’t nuts. It’s just the only people the propaganda machines show so that everyone will be mad at each other and except insane propositions to keep us from paying attention to what the powers that be (the central bank) is doing.
Look at the comments below. Media has actually convinced people Obama is a Communist, despite governing almost exclusively as a moderate conservative.
I think the issue is that people associate “Communist” with “Tyrant” because that’s the way it works out in China and Russia – not to mention the North Korean issue.
For all the Communistic talk in China, the fact stands that the nation is one big industry monopoly, which correct me if I’m wrong, is not communism.
So there’s actual socialist behavior, something religious institutes invented millennia ago – and there’s tyranny labelled as “communism” because “take all your stuff for the rich 1%” sounds too ugly.
Obama hasn’t exactly been “on hand” as President, that and the fact that he’s not actually the one in charge, and things are looking awful similar to how “communism” in China “worked out”.
We’re not calling him socialist, really, we’re calling him a lazy tyrant. There’s a difference.
People don’t associate Communist with Tyrant, they associate it with the fear from the Cold War where we were taught to think all Russians were evil hateful people. But like any country you go to, from Iran, to China, to Estonia, to Sudan, to Turkey, to Peru, people are the same. They want a home, an income and a safe place to raise their kids. Simple as that. I have always contended that if before a battle took place the soldiers sat and ate together and spoke of themselves, after the meal, most would refuse to fight.
China was Communist, which basically means the State owns everything, the people have a right to only what the government says they do, and production of goods are very tightly controlled. It is a weird perversion of Marxism, almost to the point it is unrecognizable. But they took their lead from the USSR who would have been a very different country had Lenin not died shortly after the Bolshevik revolution and Stalin (whom Lenin detested for his tyrannical leanings) took over. But the perversions did do what you said, in taking all the money and gave it to the 1%. Much like how our economy has gone from socio-capitalistic to a completely unseen before style of socialized risk, privatized gains and near total lack of financial and monetary regulation. We don’t have a name for that.
I am not sure what you mean about “we” aren’t calling him a Socialist. That’s odd, I hear that all the time. Or used to, getting harder now that he is 6 years in and hasn’t governed as a Socialist, nor a Communist, nor a Muslim. Look how crazy your last two paragraphs are. He isn’t “on hand”, he’s “not actually the one in charge”. yet he is a lazy tyrant. So either you don’t know what these words mean or aren’t being very careful with your words.
We are not looking more like China, China is looking more and more like us. Decisions governed by corporate power which now controls the means of production over the State. The one major difference is China owns many of those corporations, and in the US, the corporations are owned by their boards, often which contain many political leaders.
The Chinese government controls the corporations – on paper, but the figures do not take into account bribery, which bribery pretty much an accepted part of business in China. Bribe the government or get run out of business. Period. I’ve seen this happen on multiple occasions.
If you’re doing business, the government wants a bribe and control.
But this also means that a lot of illegal activity gets turned a blind eye because the bribe effectively protects you from the law – unless a foreigner notices and makes a hubbub, then the government just acts surprised and throws a few low-scale scapegoats in jail and calls it a day.
The thing about the states is that corporations are usually non-government, WHICH MEANS they are subject to legitimate law.
As soon as the government owns it, it’s beyond outside scrutiny.
That’s why i say Obama is taking the country towards Chinese sensibilities [I’ll give him an out on Obamacare, that was Romney’s idea all along], because Obama, and the Dems in general sum up every problem to “government controlled-program = problem solved”, which in a perfect world is awesome, but in the REAL world, with corruptible people, has a 99% chance of reverting to tyranny – disorganized tyranny.
When people are trusted with their OWN companies and their OWN land and their OWN property, then the law has much freer reign because the law-enforcers don’t have to worry about arresting their own boss, which means the law can actually function.
Marcadimus, I believe you meant “accept”, as the term “except” means virtually the opposite of what you were trying to say here.
Yes, you are correct. My mistake.
Its not really the “too PC” as you point out with all the whites (or males) in the cast, its oposition to the Politically Corect principles screwing with the process.
Screwing with what process? How was the process screwed with?
What does that mean? Who has a problem with Finn? So far from what I have seen he looks awesome! It would be cool if he was a related character but not necessary. I have gotten over the fact that My beloved legends characters may not exist…..I will embrace the new…..R.I.P. Corran Horn and Whistler!!! I,Jedi is still an awesome book!!!
Finn is so far my favourite new character. Don’t like the idea of him being related to Lando – its trying to be too cute. We already have one family in the series and don’t need another focus on. By all means bring Lando back in the next films but let Finn and Lando stand as characters on their own.
Agreed, would be too ham fisted. Somehow the kids of all the popular resistance folks don’t know each other? One worked for the First Order?
good stuff…but chewie looks weird.
I think so too. I love the practical effects but the Chewie scene was the moment where I started thinking “Will this still look good in HD?”
Mind you, I haven’t seen the Blu Ray versions of the old trilogy…
I thought Chewie looked weird in the “we’re home” bit in the earlier trailer. He looked like he was wearing eye shadow to me.
anyone?
Nice catch.
Tannhaüser?
It’s bad if i prefer this poster? 😉
Sht, any things better than 3d.
It’s cool in a minimalist way.
haha awesome! Love the retro style. Though those look like the old Ties & X-wings if i were to nitpick
Brilliant, love it.
Was driving from Cali to Vegas last week and spotted a xwing ride, with R2 in the back and all!
I still think the person saying “Who are you?” is Phasma. Sure sounds like Gwendoline Christie to me. Just watched interview videos with both Lupita Nyongo and Christie and i only hear Christie in these trailers. Kinda surprised no one else has heard it that way…maybe i’m going deaf.
Maybe I’m going blind.
Maybe I’m out of my miiiiiind.
Since Disney confirmed it is Lupita, you might want to set up an appointment with a otolaryngologist. 🙂
where did disney confirm this? once i see it in writing i’ll then make my appointment with said polysyllabic doctor 😉
That was Lupita? I love her work and I didn’t think that was her.
It is clearly 3 different females. Rey; Phasma and Maz.
…its real, all of it.
that’s the direction im leaning. i think disney is doing a little misdirection on this to confuse us.
Phasma’s voice is very plummy and processed
No way. ‘who are you?’ is definitely Lupita! The only part that sounds like Gwendoline is ‘I know all about waiting.’
http://screenrant.com/star-wars-7-force-awakens-trailer-nyongo/
ok, im convinced 🙂 it reaaally sounds like Christie to me, though!
thx for the link!
Na
Phasma’s talking doll has some of her dialogue, very different voice to Rey. It also, like the Stormies, sounds slightly processed
It is not a doll. It’s an action figure !
No i misremembered what I’d heard – it was actually the mask, linked here http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-force-awakens-dialogue/
I thought it was the talking mask. Saw them at Target.
In the American version I believe Christie at the very least says the who are you part.
Kylo Ren represents the White christian male.
Daisy the repressed White female, Boyega the brave and noble black.
Together they will overthrow the evil Whites and restore order to the galaxy.
^^ this is the insidious message of the leftistism awakens.
don’t be fooled by the pretty special effects. TFA is an anti-White propaganda film
through and through.
#boycottstarwars
oh dear
Mods need to get their banhammer
Outlay’s first paragraph made a point that I hadn’t thought of before. That is a general undercurrent in society today, as an overeaction to past misstreatment of black (insert colour) people. You could say its related to the man = bad woman = good undercurrent.
It would be an overstatement to qualify the movie as racist propaganda.
The problem I have with banning such things is that if it criticised the movie as beeing anti-black there would be no move to ban it. You can’t have it both ways – or shouldn’t. That type of totalitarianism that is another undercurrent today is not a good thing.
Its just an opinion. If you don’t like that type of opinion, either have a coherent argument against it or don’t bother fanning the flames by replying.
It’s based on false assumptions and it’s exactly these (false) thoughts that incite racism. As someone who’s existence is based purely on chance that my grandfather (non-jewish white resistance fighter) survived WWII with just a busted knee, I’m interested in both sides of the story, and I find that both sides have arguments that would have herd-like people rally for them.
But again, it’s these messed up assumptions (the empire/FO is “white) that make an out-of-place classification turn into blatant racism.
I just think that “stupid” people shouldn’t influence these boards. If you know nothing about racism, better school up on the past few hundred years of human history and realize that both racism is everywhere, it’s not just the “whites” that have racism, it’s every foreign body in a “neutral” (from their PoV) environment.
The whole “empire” is largely made out of “racists” as they tend to keep a mostly “human” shape on the outside, but it’s a freaking galaxy full of aliens, and the main bad guys in the OT are played by a white guy and voiced by a black guy. If you think Star Wars has promoting a supremacist message, you’re wrong. If you think it’s about overturning the wrong (racism, seclusionism) then yeah, that’s the right thing to do, even though behind the scenes, it’s not as black and white as you think.
Mind you, if you’re born in the western world and think that only white people are racist, by all means, I do invite you to the part of the world where I live and will show you that racism, nationalism run rampant all over the world. And it’s NOT a good thing.
The Empire Strikes Back was clearly anti-white propaganda. the expanses of Hoth represented the supremacy of the whites and the heroic black dude Darth Vader came to attack it and chase the real villains away. and the Wampa was clearly a Muslim! 😀
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Killing the Wampa symbolized the colonists oppression of the natives
So you’ve read some Feminist theory lately have you. 🙂
not recently no. or ever. ??
Can’t really disagree with anything you said.
But I find it odd, if you’re addressing me, that you imply I view it as promoting racist supremacy, when I cleary stated I don’t think it does. To me the poster just highlighted a point of view I hadn’t thought of before.
On the racist thing. I heard a review from someone who hadn’t seen Star Wars untill this year, and one of his first comments was “wow that was very white”. To make such a comment is to imply it shouldn’t be. To me that’s as racist as oposing the inclusion of any race. But that’s considered okay and even funny. There still are claims that the first movies are racist because of that result. Also the old one of the portrayal of Darth Vader being racist because he’s the villain and black. All that sort of stupid thinking seems to come from the loony-left of Feminism that’s setting trends today. That’s the sort of thing that makes stupid white people come to stupid conclusions, because they feel they are under perpetual attack.
Anyway, the banned poster wasn’t going to have much luck promoting a hash-tag boycot Star Wars at a SW fan site – to put a different spin on the saying ‘preaching to the converted’.
I’m not addressing you, you just asked me to come up with something better 🙂
You need medication.
in response to Outlay: Kylo Ren represents You and everything that is wrong with You.
Finn represents every one of us that wants to STOP being EVIL.
In this view, your assessment is correct – Kylo represents white supremacy and I am fully in support of John Boyega’s existence in the Star Wars franchise – and I hope Finn kicks the shit out of Kylo at some point in the franchise.
You don’t need medication, you need to pull your head out of the dirt and realize your not the center of the universe.
I’d ask Viral Hide and Co. to actually leave Outlay’s comment up so that everyone can see it and downvote it.
Rey and Finn’s introduction to one another was highly sexualized.
Looks like JJ’s interracial porn fetish from Star Trek and has unfortunately carried over into Star Wars.
jesus christ. how many bigoted morons frequent this message board?
go fuck yourself =)
Very few – they just make new profiles when they get kick’d out (and I suspect some of them actually use different profiles at the same time).
Just saying
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at the 20sec mark listen to what Ridley is saying bb-8.
“where did you come from”
“i know all about waiting”
“for my family”
did bb-8 come from somewhere else other than her ‘droid sidekick’?
thinking hes got a bigger story, like R2.
seeing that hes in a x-wing in some scenes, thinking that he has been either built to do this or has some programming to be able to.
Yes, I am agree.
It seems it is Poe, and may be he is there because he has been captured.
BB8 escapes the village at the start, when Kylo catches Poe. BB8 will have the blue saber, which Kylo is looking for. That’s why he starts chasing Rey and Finn, who unknowingly have it for a while. They just assume he’s hunting Finn…
I know all about waiting is Gwendoline Christie/Captain Phasma speaking, not Rey.
i might be deaf butt hey all sound like the same person speaking at 57 sec
Boyega hinted in his latest interview that Phasma actually plays a much larger role in the movie than it might appear. At one point, he put her on par with Kylo Ren in importance. I don’t think she is the one speaking on the trailer, but I think there’s more to Phasma than just a colonel of the Stormtrooper Corps.
I’m not so sure, She doesn’t even get credited in the poster. Pretty much everyone else does. And she is actually more famous than half the cast,
Who knows…. Phasma maybe be a spy planted by the resistance? Everyone knows JJ like plot twists.
No
Slightly off topic but….
This evening my local cineworld put out a post on fb advertising a special offer for “unlimited card” holders stating a special secret screening on 15th December, it then hinted at it being for the force awakens!
Well that was much cooler than what we got!
Chewie roaring and clicking that detonator… nice!
sure , everybody mentions that Apocalypse Now shot but lets not forget the cinematic masterpiece starring Nicolas Cage that is Fire Birds :
LOL! no
LOL….no movie with Nicolas Cage in it, could ever be considered a masterpiece. Worst. Actor. Ever. LOL!
He was good in:
Raising Arizona
Bad lieutenant
Leaving Las Vegas
Yes on all of those and I would add: The Family Man
Also Wild At Heart and Valley Girl
nicholas cage is the best actor of his generation: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/features/galleryoftheday/11030-8-Reasons-Nicolas-Cage-Is-The-Best-Actor-Of-His-Generation
Loved him in Wild at Heart, Birdy was pretty good as well.
the more I watch it the more I think that Kylo Ren is talking to Snoke about the Knights of Ren….Since after all they all pretty much Worship Vader, and that’s why they show the helmet. …and what if Rey was talking about her adoptive family on Jakku and not a SKywalker or Solo?
I’ve been thinking the same thing about kylo ren talking to snoke. It just seems strange.. kylo ren talking to a helmet of a dead guy, as if the guy is actually there to respond. I’d think he were talking to snoke, but I guess we’ll see
It’s exactly the same as talking to a grave, which is frequently seen in many movies and TV shows. Not unusual at all then.
Well it’s not exactly the same, because that’s not a grave. It’s a helmet. If I were talking to a jacket of a dead friend of mine as if it were him that would indeed be strange wouldn’t it?
Vader was not buried. His body was cremated. The helmet is all that is left of him then. So, it is like talking to a grave from a certain point of view.
I see, that’s true. It still looks funny to me but I guess I can get used to it
Guy’s a fanatical zealot. And that kind of folk are not the most sane, level-headed people in the world.
In fact, it makes all the sense in the world to see the guy talking to Vader’s charred mask, since he seems to be totally fanatical.
If he is a fanatic then yeah that totally makes sense
Lol, if he wasn’t fanatical he wouldn’t have bothered to dig up Vader’s charred mask, much less build what seems to be a shrine to Darth Vader, centered around the mask. That’s your answer right there: the guy IS fanatical.
That could have been Snoke, which is why I kind of held back from the idea that Kylo Ren fanatically worships Vader. And he could still just practice the dark side and highly respect vader without being a complete fanatic
All dark-siders are fanatics. I’d suggest looking into what turns a person into a fanatical zealot so you can understand better why this applies to dark-siders. Remember, Google’s your friend 😉
That’s not true. You can be a rogue jedi who practices the dark side and not be a fanatic of any sort. Why do you have to be a fanatic to practice the dark side? Quite frankly that doesn’t even make any sense :/
OK, first off that doesn’t make any sense, because that’s not what I said at all.
Secondly, when you speak of rogue Jedi are you talking about the so-called EU? If that’s the case, that’s got nothing to do with the SW films, which is what I was talking about.
Finally, you don’t have the slightest idea on how fanaticism is supposed to work and I won’t waste my time explaining it to you. Suffice it to say that no zealot starts off being fanatical. That’s not how it works. What I said is true. Not to be rude, but it’s not my problem that you’re clearly unable (or unwilling) to understand.
“All dark-siders are fanatics.” – You
That’s not what you said? :/ (that’s totally what you said, obviously..)
Quinlan Vos in Dark Disciple (as well as Asajj Ventress after Dooku takes out the nightsisters), and Anakin Skywalker in ROTS (he was hardly a “fanatic” when he first pledged loyalty to palpatine, he just wanted to become stronger and save his family). That’s all canon, and one of my examples are from one of the SW films.
And you could, of course, explain to me what you think fanaticism is and why you think Kylo Ren and ALL other canon practitioners of the dark-side clearly and unarguably exhibit this behavior, and why anyone who argues that not all people that have been shown using the dark-side should be put into this category, simply doesn’t know what the fuck they’re talking about
Looks like the new post on Empire’s interview with Adam Driver (who should know what he’s talking about, I reckon) has just proven who was right:
http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2015/11/adam-driver-kylo-ren-is-more-like-a-religious-fanatic-than-a-villain.html
My two take-aways: BB-8 is played by Gizmo the Mogwi, and I love how she pronounces Rey like Rye. Overall, the plot – at least the beginning – is starting to be fleshed out, it looks sorta generic, but eh, whatta yah gonna do?
They sure are pushing Rey’s character here in Asia, a continuation of their disturbing lack of coverage for JB’s character. But then again, Rey’s character fits Japanese culture like a glove: Young girl who lives in difficult environment waiting for her situation to change so she can realize her destiny passed down from her royal ancestors. That’s the main character in the anime “Laputa – aka – Castle in the Sky”, and probably about 60% of all anime protagonists. It’s almost as if Rey was conceptualized with Japan in mind.
Also, her story is very easy to explain, which the Japanese appreciate, anything too weird too fast and they get thrown out of it. JB’s character is a comparatively original character, and thus needs careful build-up and explanation – that paired with the fact that the Asian market [to be brutally frank] is more familiar and comfortable with Caucasians, and you got one-character marketing, leaving JB in the cold… for now…
Make no mistake, I think JB may actually be the biggest hit in Japan once people see the character in the film proper, this is just marketing I’m talking about.
But back to the important issue of BB-8’s voice; on one hand [my left hand] I profoundly enjoy BB-8’s chitter chatter and warbling. On the other hand, it REALLY IS IDENTICAL TO GIZMO. Like, seriously, “stock recording + electro-filter = BB-8”-identical. I guess that’s what we get for letting Kathy K get involved. 😐
PS. I tried all night last night to get on but the site was going at 0mph, had to watch it on some other site.
If your site was better at handling traffic [500+ COMMENTS! WOO!!!] I would have been bugging you guys with my “opinions” much sooner…
I know it’ an old topic by now, but this trailer makes me think even more that the instability of Ren’s lightsaber is because he doesn’t have the skills to line up the crystal perfectly…makes it waver and spark. I also think that because of this, it generates a lots of heat from being inefficient….and the sides are really for the exhaust of excess blade energy that cannot be directed toward the main saber “blade”. It’s the only logical conclusion, since there’s no way he could think that those would protect his hands…since the metal at the base of each one could just be sliced through.
Interesting take on the function of the cross blades, makes good sense. I wonder if there is “adjustment” in the length of all the blades? Like, shorten the central blade right down while lengthening the side blades forming a light “pick”?… Another point I am curious about is the material used for the hilt – could it be the same/similar material used in the construction of Mandalorian armour? This armour is rumoured to be “resistant” to light sabers…
My theory of Kylo’s lightsaber is a macguyver job using the red crystal remains of Darth Vader’s lightsaber.
Hmm interesting theory… Yea Kylo’s lightsaber does look unstable compared to Finn’s. Maybe Kylo did not complete or did not goes through a proper force training or even self-train.
You’re right man, i’ve lost interest now. This ain’t Star Wars
SWNN, Here is an open plea…
I really enjoy your commentary, as well as reading 98% of the comments posted. I scroll down reading them, and then somebody either begins trolling or gets terribly off-topic often with some unsubstantiated claim of SW being anti-white or whatever. I had to scroll down several pages just to get out of the posts commenting on President Obama being a “communist” (clearly these people have no idea what communism is).
Please start banning these people so the remaining 98% of us can discuss Star Wars.
The mods here have always done a great job at keeping that kind of scum at bay. It really isn’t an easy job because, to be done properly, it basically means a mod should be checking the board every 5 minutes or so. I definitely think you can help by flagging the comment that seem inappropriate (you can find the flag button on the top right corner of the comment when scrolling on it).
While I agree that someone thinking a black guy in Star Wars is bad is “scum”, people who think Obummer is a communist are ok with me. (I think he is a really really bad President, but I dont think he is a communist).
Eat it, I’m NOT trolling. Obama was brought up by another poster as being railed against because of his skin color. Guess what, he wasn’t (except in a few circumstances…maybe!). And if you would take a freaking look at where and how he was raised, you might be enlightened. Sheep are sheep. I love Star Wars, have since I was 6 years old and saw ROTJ. Race and sex should have NEVER entered the discussion, people are people, take their acting as you wish. If they don’t agree with your taste, fine, comment. But all of these people out there acting like they have to protect the actors because of a harmless comment that meant nothing like the PC police insinuate is driving me insane.
No.
Looks to me like Finn doesn’t actually know what his name is when Rey asks him and just decides that he is Finn at that moment… which is why looks kinda of awkward in that scene… Rey looks genuine.
Well there is a rumor that First Order stormtroopers don’t actually have names at all at that his “name” is FN-2187, so he is probably making that name up or recalling some nickname, meaning he has to think harder than Rey who is just being genuine. I also get the vibe he might distrust Rey at first, so there are lots of possible intentions for that line.
He’s a Calrissian. H’es learned a little about smooth talking. Perhaps it doesn’t suit him and it made him look uncomfortable making up the name, Finn!
Finn being a Calrissian is maybe the most stupid “rumor” yet.
Rey’s British accent is terrible. The fakeness sticks out too much..
Dude. She’s British.
British accent? What does a British accent sound like?
I don’t think a Brit like Daisy Ridley has to “fake” a British accent. Having said that, there is no such thing as a uniform “British accent”. What US Americans call a “British accent” is usually (southeastern) English Received Pronunciation (RP). Very few Britons actually have an RP (popularly know as “posh”) accent, except members of the nobility/royalty, or people educated in expensive private schools like Eton.
She’s British. You better check your accents.
You’re a typical idiot! One of those morons who complains about everything and not realising what they just said is bloody stupid! She’s English in real life!!!!!!
Curious what that clicking thing Rey is doing in the first shot. Using sound to gauge the echo from that huge engine to see if its structurally sound enough to enter?
There’s been an avalanche of films/tv shows lately depicting black men with white women.
Looks like Star Wars is unfortunately continuing this trend.
Shame….could have been a great movie, but JJ just couldn’t resist injecting a bunch of left wing nonsense into the picture.
He did the same thing though with Star Trek, so I guess we shouldn’t be too surprised.
Since when is not being obsessed with racist standards of white purity “left wing nonsense”?
There’s no room for racists like you in Star Wars or on this board. People like you represent the Dark Side.
Epic. Love it all. I think Luke is the hope that will be found. The moment when he comes on screen is going to be so emotional and awesome to see
The “new hope” is probably Rey.
I agree! I don’t think we will see Luke until the last act but when we do, the audience will go wild!
I’m extremely disappointed that JJ showed us Chewbacca’s fingers. This was a mystery box that was never supposed to be opened.
*nods solemnly*
Haha! Well, we’ve already seen them in ESB, so this isn’t really a reveal.
Go back to the scene with Chewy in the jail cell, just as he begins to work on 3PO…plenty o’ Wookie finger. 😉
Kylo says: “I will fulfill OUR destiny…I will finish what you started” (while looking at Vadar’s mask?)
Vadar told Luke: “Your destiny lies with me, Skywalker. Obi-Wan knew this to be true” and “It is your destiny! Join me, and together, we can rule the galaxy as father and son!”
Maybe Klyo IS Luke.
I hope not.
Somebody please talk me out of this way of thinking!
If you remove your thinking from that of “Luke is Kylo”, and expand it to “Luke is Ren”, you overcome the (valid) arguments of “Luke cannot be Kylo because we gave seen Kylo without a mask”… there is more than one Knight of Ren, and more than one wears a mask… and by using the phrase “Knights of” signifies a “Leader”, a King… maybe Mark appears as the image of “Good Luke” and Andy Serkis as “Corrupt Luke”…
Luke is confirmed to be traning Rey in Episode VIII. So, unless Rey also turns to the dark side at end of Episode VII (which is very unlikely), it follows that Luke cannot be evil.
Not a holocron….a clone. Engineered from his right hand. LOL! But That would be a cop out story. By the way…Luke could always train Rey in episode VIII without Rey knowing that he slipped to the dark side. I don’t really believe that though. I do totally believe that Rey has the Jedi abilities and not Finn. I also think that Finn either dies at the hand of Kylo Ren near the end of The Force Awakens or at least gets gravely injured. (you play with a light saber and you’ll you lose and arm, kid!) That last shot of the (american) trailer where you see the back of Kylo Ren’s head (and hair), if you freeze frame it just right it still looks like his face is still covered. “Klyo Ren” is a title, not a name.
( while looking at Vader’s mask)…it is only edited to look like that in the trailer…he is not talking to vader’…
That is very likely.
But the real question remains…..Is Anakin’s head still in the mask?!?
(what’s that smell?)
That is very likely.
But the real question remains…..Is Anakin’s head still in the mask?!? (what’s that smell?)
Also…..Yoda says to Luke: “Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny”
and
The Emperor tells Luke: “Your hate has made you powerful. Now, fulfill your destiny and take your father’s place at my side!”
I have a bad feeling about this!
It could be worse!
WOW WOW AND WOW best one yet! That tie fighter sunset shot, awesome (don’t care if it is lifted from Apocalypse Now )
It can be interpreted in so many ways, which is what makes the films relevant 30 odd years later and why we are speculating over them! Good chat.
Well, I don’t think it’s a crossguard. I see it more as two power outlets. Due to the saber being unstable.
While I believe in the “exhaust ports theory”, I also think the “cross guard” present a huge advantage, albeit not a defensive one: it appears to be extremely usefull in cutting the opponent’s hands – specifically, when crossing the blades, it would be pretty easy to slide downward/upward (depending on the position) and amputate your opponent’s hand.
The first TV-spot is online! https://twitter.com/twitter/status/663370431877918720
Kylo Ren is rumored to be born from the battle of Endor.
And Luke did have Vader’s mask last…although it was pretty hot! Of course Vader must have had more than one mask in his closet. Just sayin’.
Yeah, and Vader didn’t live on the Death Star – he spent most of his time in his faberge egg on his Super Star Destroyer… as Han pointed out “there’s many command ships” – the one that was destroyed in ROTJ may not have necessarily been Vader’s… so how many of his “backup” masks made it into general circulation???
If it is Vader’s original mask, which I’m sure JJ will tell us it is, maybe an Ewok found it in the ashes on Endor and was using it as a drum when Kylo Ren showed up.
I always thought it gives you a wider range of destruction. It seems like it would be particularly effective when outnumbered. Pretty much any way you swing that thing somebody’s going to get hit. And we know it doesn’t take much with a saber. From a defensive standpoint it would probably work better at deflecting blaster fire than a normal saber. And since there’s probably not a lot of people who fight with sabers at this point I doubt it has anything to do with protecting your hands. I like the exhaust port theory too though. Anyways I’m sure we’ll find out soon enough. Can’t wait.
Some good points John… truth is Dec 17 can’t come fast enough!
Hard to imagine being on Star Wars forums at 71. Then again, I don’t think the kid who grew up obsessed with these films thought his 41 year old self would be still ‘into it’! It’s also rubbing off on my 5 year old boy too. Although he loves all the clones stuff…traitor!
if you look at the fight between dooku anikan and obiwan in ep 2, dooku slides his blade down obiwans and easily cuts his arm so i think they dfinately can slide against each other
Oh yes, 4K TFA. That sounds lovely. I will have to buy a new telly. God I hope it’s good.
“What do you mean Gramps, you typed into a forum, with your fingers, spelling words which represented your thoughts?? Next you’ll be telling us you had to leave the house to go see the film, hahahahaha!”
I love the internet. I would have never seen this trailer otherwise. Thank you sooooo much for sharing this. So awesome. 🙂