Collider Jedi Council: Andy Serkis Talks Snoke’s Fate and More

On this episode of Collider Jedi Council, Kristian Harloff, Ken Napzok, and Mark Reilly discuss Solo: A Star Wars Story is likely to drop first Ad during Super Bowl; Will Star Wars: Episode IX reveal Snoke’s backstory?; Rian Johnson explains why the Han Solo Funeral was NOT in The Last Jedi; Gwendoline Christie is still ‘very invested’ in Captain Phasma’s Star Wars fate; Han Solo origin story in Solo might connect to Star Wars Legends Canon; Three planets from Solo: A Star Wars Story confirmed; Carrie Fisher wins 2018 Grammy for Best Spoken Word and more.





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37 thoughts on “Collider Jedi Council: Andy Serkis Talks Snoke’s Fate and More

  • February 2, 2018 at 7:11 pm

    Interestingly enough, though I didn’t love this movie, I didn’t have a problem without a Han Solo funeral. Between evacuating the resistance base and just basically being in all out war with the FO, I’m okay with there not being enough time to safely have one. However, I wouldn’t have complained had they had one for him either.

    As far as Snoke goes, I don’t think he’s coming back. At least I hope he doesn’t. I think killing off Snoke without any sort of backstory was a miscue on RJ’s part, but the deed has been done. For JJ to revive him, give him more screen time, and then most likely kill him off again in Episode 9 seems too time consuming.

    At this point it just makes more sense to explore the Knights of Ren (maybe), develop Kylo and Ren further, and wrap it all up. For better or for worse, Snoke is dead, and it should be left that way.

    • February 2, 2018 at 8:00 pm

      I don’t see any scenario where Snoke comes back. Episode 9 has 2+ hours to wrap up everyone’s story give a satisfying conclusion. Introducing something so crazy and out of left field seems impossible.

      • February 2, 2018 at 8:07 pm

        Totally agree with you there. It would only take away from other characters at this point.

      • February 2, 2018 at 8:28 pm

        I think after a long crawl, some of the so called major characters should bite the dust in some major event early on. So we can focus primarily on Ren and Rey and all the baggage that needs cleaning up.

        • February 2, 2018 at 9:48 pm

          I hope the Knights of Ren show-up. Here’s wishing that Rey’s Force-Vision from TFA was a “flash-FORWARD” to Ep 9.

    • February 2, 2018 at 8:26 pm

      Snoke is dead, but they could cover some of his back story that would make up for the missteps of 8. They really need to bring in some fans with knowledge to help JJ out. I hate to lose complete hope in my favorite hobby, but it is pretty bad right now.

      • February 2, 2018 at 9:47 pm

        I’m sure they will release a Snoke novel or comic.

        • February 2, 2018 at 9:55 pm

          without a doubt, but I think they need to do it in the movie.

      • February 2, 2018 at 10:58 pm

        I’d be fine with covering some of his backstory through dialogue between other characters, I’d welcome it. It’s certainly better than what we have now.

    • February 2, 2018 at 11:45 pm

      “At this point it just makes more sense to explore the Knights of Ren (maybe), develop Kylo and Ren further, and wrap it all up.”

      I am all on board here. I want to see Kylo and the Knights vs Rey and her new Jedi.

    • February 3, 2018 at 4:37 am

      “For better or for worse, Snoke is dead, and it should be left that way.”

      The two main protagonists of the ST are Rey and Ben. Killing off Snoke has moved the story forward.

      Episode 9 (the 3rd act) will deal with the themes of unification, and resurrection, where a climatic battle will bring our two main protagonists together.

      The Star Wars 3rd act:-

      Climatic battle – Anakin vs Obi-Wan
      Resurrection – Anakin becomes Darth Vader
      Unification – The Empire/Dark side

      Climatic battle – The Death Star 2/Throne Room
      Resurrection – Luke the Jedi Master/Darth Vader reverts back to Anakin
      Unification – Father and Son/The balance to the force/Han and Leia

      Climatic battle – ???
      Resurrection – Kylo Ren becomes Ben/Rey the Jedi Master
      Unification – Rey and Ben/Balance and peace to the galaxy (light and dark existing side-by-side)

      Preserving the Skywalker bloodline, and setting up the next trilogy.

      Star Wars is cyclic (it rhymes).

      • February 3, 2018 at 6:19 am

        I’m keeping my fingers crossed that you’re completely wrong for IX. That’s incredibly lame and it would be turning Star Wars into the twilight saga.

        • February 3, 2018 at 11:44 am

          No. It would be SW.

          The structure and narrative is based on the methodology and mythology captured in the works of Joseph Campbell.

          • February 3, 2018 at 1:57 pm

            It also sounds like a twilight saga entry. I know Rian Johnson is into that Joseph Campbell book but is JJ & Chris Terrio? Fortunately it’s them writing IX and not him and Rian said himself that he will have zero input into IX. Also, as they spoke about on Jedi Council, the fan base is divided on TLJ and they will probably want to move away from any ideas Rian had and try and make a movie that the majority will enjoy.

          • February 3, 2018 at 2:10 pm

            George Lucas was only able to write SW due to the work and influence of Joseph Campbell. He used “The Hero Journey” as a framework to tell both the prequel and original trilogies. There are countless interviews with Lucas discussing this. I believe he ended up forging a close friendship with Joseph Campbell.


            This frame work has been carried over into the sequel trilogy. It’s evident from the structure and narrative of Episode VII and VIII.

            When people say, Lucasfilm are making this up when they go along, are mistaken. Each director has boundaries and themes to cover within their scope of the relevant act (acts 1-3 of “The Hero Journey”). Yes, they have an autonomy of creative freedom, but that is restricted to within the framework.


          • February 3, 2018 at 5:32 pm

            Maybe, but as you say it’s cyclic so we could end up with it finishing like the PT and the galaxy’s plunged back into darkness and it will be the next trilogy (if there is one) bringing the light back.

          • February 3, 2018 at 8:09 pm

            It’s a possibility. But for that to happen, Rey would have to either die, or turn to the dark side with Kylo Ren (dark side Reylo).

            The PT got away with it, because Padme gave birth to twins before she died, and that we already knew how episodes IV to VI turned out, as we’d already seen them.

            Personally, I don’t see that happening as we would be ending on a cliffhanger, with no idea when we’ll see the next instalment. And, such a position would have one hell of a backlash from the fans, as they’ll feel pretty cheated.

      • February 3, 2018 at 6:34 am

        I didn’t have a problem with Snoke dying. I wished we could have learned more about him though. At least give the viewers enough to understand the scope of his power. I didn’t feel like that was portrayed well. However, I understand how his death moves the story along for other characters.

        As far as the rest of your assessment goes, seems pretty spot on to me.

        • February 3, 2018 at 12:54 pm

          I can see why some where disappointed.

          Personally, I never felt the need for his backstory. Maybe a line or two could have added something, but then again, even that wouldn’t be enough for some people.

          We knew nothing about Emperor in the OT, that added to the character in my opinion.

          Snoke being killed by his apprentice, was very much Plagues being killed by Palpatine. Kylo Ren had got all he needed from Snoke, and so was now surplus to requirements

  • February 2, 2018 at 7:58 pm

    Jedi Council is a little cranky this week and a bit critical of the franchise. It’s really refreshing actually.

    • February 4, 2018 at 3:07 am

      Stop lying. I might actually watch. They were hemorrhaging viewers because they’re full of shit

  • February 2, 2018 at 8:10 pm

    Harloff was on game today!

    I’ve been saying it and I wish it could be used….they could redeem 9 in a sense (imo), if you see Mara Jade and a young Luke meet and she ends up pregnant with REY! Mara did not want Luke to know and had to hide her…while going after Snoke (whom we find out was another emperors hand)…they battle and she wounds Snoke severely(why he is so messed up) and Snoke kills Mara with the assistance of Ben.

    9 needs a long crawl and several years in between…With Ren taking up residence in Vaders castle and studying holocrons from the past to include those of Reven and Bane (which would set up for a Bane trilogy btw). Rey learning of her true mother and father (Mara Jade and Luke) and having more remorse by not trying harder with Luke while on the island. Then Luke in epic form, show back up…not as a ghost but something more powerful than we have ever seen that must face the awesomely powerful Ren along with Rey…conclude this thing with the Knights of Ren, all being full on sith with sabers in an epic battle with Luke and Rey Skywalker and all the resistance on a battle field against this new Sith Empire that the “other” Skywalker is building. It will truly be a battle of Dark Skywalker against Light Skywalker for all time!

    anyways…my fan fiction for now. LOL!!!!

    But I’m just hyping myself for no reason. This new Star Wars is lost in my opinion. Missed opportunity in TFA with big three, missed opportunity to show us a awesome Luke Skywalker…Star Wars may be done for a long time.

    • February 3, 2018 at 9:21 pm

      The best way to redeem TLJ would be if Rey found out that her real parents are actually Sabine Wren and Ezra Bridger. Then, a Mandalorian army could join the Resistance in Episode IX to fight the First Order, while Finn could become the leader of a stormtrooper mutiny. If Ezra were still alive (he is about Luke’s age), then he could also join in the actual fight (no astral projection !)

    • February 4, 2018 at 3:04 am

      I love them. Rare honesty

  • February 2, 2018 at 11:22 pm

    Great council this week. Harloff talks a lot of sense.

    • February 3, 2018 at 5:17 am

      Agreed, but pretty unpopular opinion around here usually.

  • February 3, 2018 at 6:36 am

    I loved The Last Jedi and didn’t much about Snoke. Snoke was never a major character. His death pushed the story along. The final chapter is about Rey and Kylo now. Looking forward to JJ returning

    • February 3, 2018 at 7:58 pm

      Would you have said the same before the release of TLJ? I have seen many theories concerning Snoke but no one ever said: He’s just a plotdevice and unimportant to the story. Don’t try to retroactively make it look as if Snoke’s role in the trilogy was always set up to be a plotdevice. As for the final chapter being about Rey vs Kylo: we have already seen this twice now. Both times Kylo was defeated. If Rey wins again in IX then it’s a 3:0 for her. Yay. If Kylo wins then evil will triumph. Yay again. Great storywriting right there -.-

      • February 3, 2018 at 8:23 pm

        I said it. I didn’t think anyone actually cared about Snoke going into VIII. They didn’t give us any reason to care in VII. He was actually kind of lame in TFA to be honest.

        Reguardless, who cares what anyone thought before they saw TLJ. We aren’t telling this story. It’s being told to us. That’s why we are the audience.

        • February 3, 2018 at 9:08 pm

          How did you know he was unimportant but the Emperor wasn’t?

          • February 3, 2018 at 9:50 pm

            I didn’t assume Snoke was unimportant but I did know that he was uninteresting to me. Palpatine was neither important or all that interesting until the third film of the trilogy. So, how about waiting until this trilogy has wrapped before deciding who is important and who isn’t?

          • February 4, 2018 at 2:27 am

            The reasonw hy we don’t know whether Snoke is important or not is due to the different visions of JJ and RJ. It depends on JJ what he wants to do with the character as they make things up more or less on the fly.

          • February 4, 2018 at 10:06 pm

            And? Lucas didn’t make anything up along the way? Luke and Leia? The second Death Star? He had an outline for three movies that he crammed into one movie and then and to figure out what to do. There’s more than one way to arrive a satisfying trilogy.

          • February 5, 2018 at 6:02 am

            At least he had a plan where the story was going even when the success of the movies wasn’t garuanteed while Rian neither knew nor cared where the saga was going after he was done with it. Oh and Lucas didn’t have a dedicated storygroup when he came up with the movies.

    • February 4, 2018 at 3:03 am

      Snoke was never a major character?

  • February 3, 2018 at 11:14 pm

    I would like to know more about Snoke, but he doesn’t have a place in Episode IX, really. It’s far more interesting with Kylo as lead of the First Order.

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