Rian Johnson Explains Luke’s Powers Using Sacred Jedi (Legends) Texts!

The Last Jedi director Rian Johnson took to Twitter to show, just for fun, that the extraordinary trick Luke Skywalker pulled at the end of the movie has precedence in the Star Wars universe. Rian used some quotes from the now Legends book The Jedi Path by Daniel Wallace. The book is described as “the ancient training manual that has educated and enlightened generations of Jedi, including Yoda, Qui-Gon Jinn, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and Luke Skywalker.”

 

 

Here’s what Rian posted on Twitter:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, Rian addressed another issue that some people had with this new Force power:

 

 

 

As Anthony Breznican pointed out in his article, it’s worth mentioning that Dave Filoni has already used elements from this Legends book and made them official canon in Star Wars: Rebels.

 

Also, Rian addressed the scene with Leia using the Force:

 

 

 

Fan debate over the finer details of The Last Jedi will no doubt continue in perpetuity until we Star Wars fans have something else to talk about (come quickly Solo trailer!). And while Johnson doesn’t necessarily need to defend every little decision he made in the movie, it’s good to see that he is still engaging with the fans to discuss these things. It’s also great to see that the new creators behind Star Wars are continuing to pay attention to what came before.

 

But ultimately, whether Luke’s ability was a pre-existing Force power or something new to The Last Jedi doesn’t really matter – what matters is that he is a freakin’ Jedi Master, and he owned the climax of this movie showing off his unquestionable mastery of the Force. I wonder what new powers we will behold in the saga moving forward. There’s no telling what ages old Force secrets Rey and the future Jedi will unlock when they get their own hands on the ancient Jedi texts currently stored away on the Falcon.

 

 

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512 thoughts on “Rian Johnson Explains Luke’s Powers Using Sacred Jedi (Legends) Texts!

  • January 20, 2018 at 6:54 pm
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    Today on “Rian Johnson Explains …” 😀

    Leave something for the BluRay chat track, Rian.

    • January 20, 2018 at 7:19 pm
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      The Bluray commentary will say, “Refer to every SW website for my endless explanations to make sense of this movie! But thanks for your $24.00!”

    • January 20, 2018 at 7:19 pm
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      The Bluray commentary will say, “Refer to every SW website for my endless explanations to make sense of this movie! But thanks for your $24.00!”

  • January 20, 2018 at 6:59 pm
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    Rian Johnson addresses…

    The Solo trailer!? Now that’d be something.

    • January 20, 2018 at 7:37 pm
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      That just might be in the dilly-dallying hands of the FCC at the moment.

    • January 20, 2018 at 8:05 pm
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      I’ve heard it’s set to release after Half Life 3 and the new Limp Bizkit album

  • January 20, 2018 at 7:16 pm
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    So Rian Johnson initially said that his Twitter feedback from the fans was 80% positive and there was a small group of fans that complained about the movie to him.

    Now I know this is a total lie because this guy has pretty much had to explain every detail of this movie in interviews posted by SW sites like these.

    For him to be this worried about explaining everything and calling out the haters tells me that his % of negative reactions on Twitter was much higher and he is in damage control cause he has another Trilogy to sell.

    • January 20, 2018 at 8:14 pm
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      Or that the only people still messaging him about the movie on Twitter are the haters that can’t give it up?

      • January 20, 2018 at 8:53 pm
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        So it is a bigger group of fans then the media makes it out be then? Hmmmm…

      • January 20, 2018 at 10:29 pm
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        I think he should just post a massive middle finger and then leave Twatter for a good while.

  • January 20, 2018 at 7:23 pm
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    i feel sorry for Rian, and i like to appologize for all that frantic behaviour. He is a true Starwars fan and the last jedi is proof of that. I want to thank him for all he’s done.

    • January 20, 2018 at 8:09 pm
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      Don’t feel sorry for him, he’s about to helm a brand new SW trilogy.

      Rejoice, be merry, be free.

    • January 20, 2018 at 8:09 pm
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      Don’t feel sorry for him, he’s about to helm a brand new SW trilogy.

      Rejoice, be merry, be free.

    • January 20, 2018 at 8:53 pm
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      I forgot that there was no frantic behavior in reaction to the Prequels…..

    • January 21, 2018 at 12:40 am
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      I feel like people that like the film a starting to rebel against the haters. They just poke holes in every frame just to get some of that sweet sweet attention.

      • January 21, 2018 at 1:38 am
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        Thanks for your sugarcoated attention.

    • January 21, 2018 at 1:05 am
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      Not at ALL. A “true fan” would never vandalize Luke Skywalker like that, and then kill him off prematurely when Mark would have GLADLY done another Film as our hero.

      • January 21, 2018 at 1:37 am
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        wel he did. And he is a fan. Maybe has a different approach. Still a fan. Everyone who loves Starwars us a fan.

      • January 21, 2018 at 2:51 am
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        Who says Luke isn’t going to be in EpIX?

        • January 21, 2018 at 10:17 am
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          Not alive taking on the KoR he won’t. I know what I would have preferred.

          • January 21, 2018 at 3:40 pm
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            He might still take on the KoR, and it might be the most awesome thing you’ve ever seen. Time will tell and until we know there’s no point people getting testy about it.

      • January 21, 2018 at 3:22 am
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        There are three Star Wars movies starting Luke Skywalker. They will always exist. These movies belong to Rey, with the original characters here for support.

      • January 21, 2018 at 3:22 am
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        There are three Star Wars movies starting Luke Skywalker. They will always exist. These movies belong to Rey, with the original characters here for support.

      • January 21, 2018 at 5:21 am
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        All the people defending Luke’s death would be the first to want to see Luke vs the KoR in E9 if you gave them the choice to choose Luke to live or die in E8.

      • January 21, 2018 at 4:49 pm
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        A true fan would So The Force Understands and move on already.

  • January 20, 2018 at 7:44 pm
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    In the first 20 minutes of this crap, not-Star-Wars movie, we see Luke Skywalker use *telekinesis*! And then that unbelievable little frog in the swamp *pulls an x-wing out of the water*! Darth Vader uses this several times in the back half of the film! It was never established in the last movie that Force users can move things with their minds! What a half thought out piece of garbage! The writer and director and producer better own up to this!

    • January 20, 2018 at 7:53 pm
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      And when did Luke learn to grab objects with the force like his fallen lightsaber in the Wampa cave? Where was the required 10-week Jedi course to learn the mastery of force pull? Luke is a total Gary Stu.

      • January 20, 2018 at 10:33 pm
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        Mmm maybe the 3 years between ANH & TESB where he’s trying to find out as much as he can about being a Jedi. The comics are covering this pretty well at the moment. Also it was a real struggle for him to pull the saber from the snow. Luke having a new force power was pretty cool but the problem with TLJ is certain people using force abilities with zero training.

        • January 20, 2018 at 10:56 pm
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          Training is helpful but is no means essential to using the force. This idea that any force user needs x amount of training to be able to do it effectively is bogus. It’s like telling a kid from a village in Kenya that they can’t run fast unless they have a personal track coach and years of training under their belt. And after the miraculous abilities of a nine year old Anakin Skywalker were shown in TPM it kind of a joke that they would have a problem with Rey.

          • January 20, 2018 at 11:16 pm
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            I just wanted her to have some combat training with the saber and concentration training with the Force. I thought the TLJ would have that… Not just her by herself striking at a rock.

            it did to a very minor extent with Luke at least having her feel the Force all around her.

            I figured TLJ would also help explain why she was SO gifted in TFA. So I had no problem with it then. When it didn’t… well it sort of damaged TFA for me.

            As for what happens in the PT? Yeah. Never use that as a defense as the PT is a perfect example of what not to do. It suffers from similar poor choices.

            As for all that other nonsense you see being brought up. Like feminist agenda and what not. Yeah that’s BS and annoying as all get out. I loved that we had a focus on Rey. I still like Rey/Daisy. Just not so much her story so far.

          • January 20, 2018 at 11:19 pm
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            Sorry completely disagree with you there. Anakin didn’t show any kind of miraculous abilities. Other than having super fast reflexs and being a great pilot he couldn’t move objects with his mind or do the Jedi mind trick. There was no sign of force abilities. Even Luke struggled while training with Yoda for a time. Don’t get me wrong Reys my favourite character in the new movies, I just don’t like that she’s has no training.

          • January 21, 2018 at 2:39 am
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            So how many 9 year olds do you know that:

            Have expertise in advanced jet-propulsion engineering.

            Have expertise in advanced robotic engineering.

            Have the ability to race flying vehicles at speeds in the hundreds of miles per hour through complex canyon terrains and defeat professional race drivers in high profile races.

            Have the ability to pilot military vehicles inside of larger military vehicles, destroy them from the inside and escape unharmed?

            No, nothing about Anakin’s abilities are miraculous. 9 year olds do stuff like that all the time.

          • January 21, 2018 at 10:11 am
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            Still hardly miraculous and poor examples. We have child geniuses in our world who can do similar. Theres been tv shows following kids as young as 7yrs who have degrees in advanced physics! Also have you seen young kids play videos games!? Many would give pilots/drivers a run for their money. It’s only because it’s not allowed or acceptable for a kid to fly or race that they don’t. Moving objects and influencing people with your mind is a completely different ball game. Luke pulled the saber from the snow with real effort and he’d had 3 years between ANH & TESB finding out about what it means to be a Jedi. He could only just lift a couple of stones & R2 after training with Yoda for weeks. If people can just do these things why bother having Luke train with Yoda. Why bother having a Jedi academy at all. Might as well just have the Jedi order as a club that anyone can join as long as you can lift shit with your mind.

          • January 21, 2018 at 10:11 am
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            Still hardly miraculous and poor examples. We have child geniuses in our world who can do similar. Theres been tv shows following kids as young as 7yrs who have degrees in advanced physics! Also have you seen young kids play videos games!? Many would give pilots/drivers a run for their money. It’s only because it’s not allowed or acceptable for a kid to fly or race that they don’t. Moving objects and influencing people with your mind is a completely different ball game. Luke pulled the saber from the snow with real effort and he’d had 3 years between ANH & TESB finding out about what it means to be a Jedi. He could only just lift a couple of stones & R2 after training with Yoda for weeks. If people can just do these things why bother having Luke train with Yoda. Why bother having a Jedi academy at all. Might as well just have the Jedi order as a club that anyone can join as long as you can lift shit with your mind.

          • January 21, 2018 at 5:16 am
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            Yet now kids can move brooms on demand. Even Anakin couldn’t do that.

          • January 21, 2018 at 4:48 pm
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            …..

            He was the only human in the galaxy who could Pod Race.

            Literally the only one.

            And he accidentally blew up a battleship from the inside.

            No. Miraculous abilities here…Nope. None.

          • January 21, 2018 at 6:07 pm
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            Yep agree with the last part of your comment definitely not miraculous. As far as Anakin knew he was the only human but that doesn’t make it true. Besides he crashed out in the races before TPM without finishing. Exactly, Accidentally blew up the battleship! As in didn’t use the force!

          • January 23, 2018 at 1:14 am
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            So you’re rewriting what is stated in the movie to continue your poorly reasoned argument.

            Cool.

          • January 23, 2018 at 1:14 am
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            So you’re rewriting what is stated in the movie to continue your poorly reasoned argument.

            Cool.

          • January 23, 2018 at 1:30 am
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            How am I rewriting anything? Anakin says “I’m the only human that can do it” a 9 year old blowing his own trumpet. Where does anyone else say Anakin is the only human pod racer. As for the battleship, Anakin was trying to shoot the droids while he was waiting for his fighter to start up again, misses and hits the reactor…that’s an accident in my book. Didn’t see any reaching out with the force.

          • January 23, 2018 at 2:05 am
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            Because it’s a line of dialogue in the film to show that Anakin has significant space wizards powers. It’s not a point for debate or contention. That’s how Lucas set up Anakin as being a Force prodigy.

            Battleship was same thing. Accidental Force abilities win the day.

            Deny all you want. Or learn how a screen play is written.

        • January 21, 2018 at 4:47 pm
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          Luke used Force abilities with zero training.

          He blew up the Death Star, using the Force, with zero training.

          And until the comics started filling the gaps, he ran around between TESB and ROTJ with no skill, showed up in black and was suddenly a Jedi Knight.

          The only folks who ever received proper training in the Star Wars Saga were in the Prequels.

          • January 21, 2018 at 5:46 pm
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            Really? ZERO training? So Obi Wan gave him no instructions on the Falcon to get him going? So Obi Wan didnt help to guide him during the trench run. So Luke wasn’t already one of the best pilots in the galaxy? Even without the comics filling in the 3 year gap between ANH & TESB you honestly thing Luke would have just sat around not trying to find out how to become a Jedi. Had NO skill between TESB & ROTJ! So the shit load of training he had from Yoda during TESB suddenly doesn’t count? Seriously!! Facing Vader in TESB was a huge trial for him so he had grown a lot by ROTJ. But even after all that Yoda says in ROTJ he is NOT a Jedi but has the skills necessary to become one.

          • January 23, 2018 at 1:14 am
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            He trained for a few hours in hyperspace? Obi Wan taught him to reach out with his feelings and…That is enough for you to accept he was trained to blow up the Death Star using the Force

            Ooooookay.

          • January 23, 2018 at 1:34 am
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            Yes a few hours probably would be enough seeing as he’s already the best pilot in the outer rim and Obi Wan was guiding him during the trench run. It’s certainly a few hours more than Rey gets.
            I can see why you use that last word in your profile name. Suits you well.

          • January 23, 2018 at 2:03 am
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            Him launching torpedoes into the exhaust port had nothing to do with his piloting. He guided the torpedoes using the Force.

            My profile name is meant to be ironic for people like yourself. Who when losing an argument horribly never fail to use it as a go to lose even harder than they already were.

          • January 23, 2018 at 2:03 am
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            Him launching torpedoes into the exhaust port had nothing to do with his piloting. He guided the torpedoes using the Force.

            My profile name is meant to be ironic for people like yourself. Who when losing an argument horribly never fail to use it as a go to lose even harder than they already were.

          • January 23, 2018 at 2:34 am
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            I don’t believe I’ve lost the argument at all. As for the torpedoes, he didn’t guide them in using the force he just used the force to know the right moment to fire as apposed to using the targeting computer. Big difference.

          • January 23, 2018 at 2:58 am
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            Didn’t you say that Luke was the galaxy’s greatest pilot? Where did you get that from?

            Are you confusing Luke’s piloting skills with those described by Obi-Wan Kenobi of his apprentice, Anakin Skywalker? Who was already one of the best star pilots in the galaxy when he met him?

            Luke tooted his own horn. “I’m not such a bad pilot myself” and “I used to bulls eye womprats back home in Beggar cannon in my T-16, they’re not much bigger than 2 meters.”

            How could he be rated as one of the galaxy’s greatest pilots if he was from a back water world that he described as the point farthest from the bright center of the galaxy?

            He used the Force to destroy the Death Star. Untrained. Did so without a targeting computer which means he did not have a lock on the exhaust port. He guided those torpedoes into the exhaust port.

            He and his father were mirrored by having their latent Force abilities emerge through the skill in piloting craft.

            You lost the argument because you don’t even know Star Wars well enough to discuss it.

            Anyways, have fun on the hate wagon and living in a post fact world.

          • January 23, 2018 at 4:07 am
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            Chill out man you’re going to give yourself an aneurysm. Yes Luke did blow his own trumpet same as Anakin. Doesn’t take away from the fact he inherited his fathers piloting skills. Obi Wan also says to Luke I hear you’ve become quite a good pilot yourself. Biggs also says Luke’s the best pilot in the outer rim. As for the torpedoe I think that’s just you’re interpretation of it. I’m pretty sure it’s never been said that Luke guides it in with the force. In the Heir to the Jedi novel it mentions Luke using the force to move an object for the first time. A canon novel set after ANH. I know Star Wars very well thanks and can discuss it all day long. As for being on the hate wagon, I’ve no idea where you got that from. In these posts or any other posts I’ve never said I hate any of the movies including the PT. I found TLJ disappointing is all. The only person coming across with a lot of hate is you I’m afraid. I’ve read some of your other post and, although I agree with some of what you say, you say it in a quite nasty way. Belittling and demeaning people and acting completely self righteous. So on that note I will say good day to you sir.

          • January 23, 2018 at 6:47 am
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            Dude. They were great pilots because of the Force. QuiGon Jinn: “He can see things before they happen.”

            The two are not separate. The Skywalkers latent Force abilities is what gave them their skills. Tapped into it without their understanding it.

            I treat people how they deserve to be. No sweat off my back you tuck tail and run.

      • January 20, 2018 at 10:34 pm
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        It’s as if these Star Wars movies are more like fairy tales than actually movies. In fact, if these movies WERE FAIRY TALES…..then all this stuff we see would make sense !!!! LOL.

      • January 21, 2018 at 1:32 am
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        If you read the books you’d know this.

    • January 20, 2018 at 8:24 pm
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      How about Lucas’s vision for the Force in ‘Clone Wars’? Things really get trippy on Mortis and Yoda’s last mission.

    • January 20, 2018 at 9:56 pm
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      And how did Luke out of the sudden know that he can shoot a proton torpedo through a little hole? Who told him? What a piece of garbage!

      • January 20, 2018 at 10:37 pm
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        Wasn’t Obi Wan helping him at that moment?

        • January 20, 2018 at 10:45 pm
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          I believe that was Force Sarchasm: another Jedi trick. Speaking of which…

      • January 21, 2018 at 1:34 am
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        The problem isn’t the force guided him, it’s he trained to be attune with the force and it took practice.

        Not the same fight for Rey and Leia I guess. Leia can can blasted out f a defompressinized cabin, into space, out cold, freeze to what would have been sure death, and then pull off the force move.

    • January 21, 2018 at 1:04 am
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      That doesn’t work b/c that’s actually a good film.

    • January 23, 2018 at 6:23 pm
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      Don’t forget all the plot holes! Plot holes, plot holes everywhere!

  • January 20, 2018 at 7:49 pm
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    Really love this amazing ability from Luke in TLJ. That’s not the problem in the film.

  • January 20, 2018 at 7:54 pm
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    The lack of banthas should be explained. I am sure this is on everyone’s mind.

    • January 20, 2018 at 9:28 pm
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      Finally someone undestands STAR WARS!!
      Don´t worry, I heard Han trailer is going to be full of them…

    • January 20, 2018 at 10:41 pm
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      It is believed that in order to fool their enemies, some Jedi had the ability to project phantom banthas… from their arse.

  • January 20, 2018 at 8:42 pm
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    The only thing I come away with on this update is Rian needs a manicure.

  • January 20, 2018 at 9:08 pm
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    How can you make a 2,5 hour movie and yet have time to do a proper back story?

    • January 21, 2018 at 12:37 am
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      That’s not what Rian Johnson said. He said that there was no place in The Last Jedi for a scene in which Snoke said, “I am Plageius!”. I agree with Johnson’s statement.

    • January 21, 2018 at 4:46 pm
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      Lucas accomplished the same thing with an entire trilogy.

      He even had to explain in a video that his written Prophecy for Anakin Skywalker being the Chosen One was in fact fulfilled.

  • January 20, 2018 at 10:02 pm
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    Do we really need to talk about that still? Haters will hate the movie no matter what. You can explain them that the OT was full of holes like that and they will still pretend TLJ is so much worse for being new and expansive.

    Rian Johnson and JJ and Gareth Edwards are SW fans as well, and they have a vision of Star Wars just like any of us. Plus, they don’t need to explain themselves to us. They don’t owe us anything. They could do other movies instead, Marvel or DC or something.

    • January 21, 2018 at 12:35 am
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      I wish more of the haters could hear your opinion.

    • January 21, 2018 at 12:54 am
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      I wish Rian had done other movies instead of delivering the worst SW film.

    • January 21, 2018 at 12:54 am
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      I wish Rian had done other movies instead of delivering the worst SW film.

      • January 21, 2018 at 2:36 am
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        George Lucas himself did that.

      • January 21, 2018 at 4:44 pm
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        So The Force Understands. Please? PLEASE? I’m asking nicely.

      • January 21, 2018 at 4:44 pm
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        So The Force Understands. Please? PLEASE? I’m asking nicely.

    • January 21, 2018 at 6:24 am
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      Well, what Rian did feels like a DC movie, heck, I liked JL better, at least it makes some sense

  • January 20, 2018 at 10:34 pm
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    In all honesty I thoroughly love Rian Johnson’s tweets, with their humour, insight and delivery. What a shame I cannot say the same about TLJ. I really, REALLY wish I could my friend!!!

    • January 21, 2018 at 12:11 am
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      He’s fine on twitter but brotherman CAN’T write a good SW movie to save his life. Plus his cinematography sucks.

      • January 21, 2018 at 12:34 am
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        You have never tried to write a script at all let alone a Star Wars film and have no idea how difficult and taxing it can be. He did an astounding job in my opinion. Excuse me, but The Last Jedi has the best cinematography of any Star Wars film to date. Every frame is a beautiful painting of pure cinematic brilliance.

        • January 21, 2018 at 12:53 am
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          The pacing and tone do not feel Star Wars. Feels very Anime and I do LOVE Anime….but not in my Star Wars.

        • January 21, 2018 at 1:12 am
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          Barf!

      • January 21, 2018 at 4:43 pm
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        You make amazing burgers and fries though.

        So The Force Understands.

  • January 20, 2018 at 10:57 pm
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    I don’t have a problem with Luke’s use of this technique because I would imagine that Luke is more powerful than anybody in the galaxy. What was absurd and stupid is having Luke dying from exhaustion right after that. Are you kidding me?!!!!

    • January 21, 2018 at 1:03 am
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      Right, Luke basically died like a Video Game death, his “Force Points” ran out……..

      • January 21, 2018 at 2:35 am
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        Yoda lifted an X-Wing and was exhausted. Watch Star Wars.

        • January 21, 2018 at 4:42 pm
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          That would take time away from their complaining endlessly on a forum where their feedback will never be heard by Lucasfilm.

          • January 22, 2018 at 4:05 pm
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            I just wish Star Wars fans understood Star Wars.

          • January 23, 2018 at 1:03 am
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            They recently lost their minds. I thought the TFA reception was bad. This is insane. Oh well.

          • January 23, 2018 at 3:06 pm
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            No, I’ve been on the Jedi Council Forums back in 2000 They have always been dumb but this is a new level.

          • January 23, 2018 at 6:57 pm
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            Post fact world.

      • January 21, 2018 at 2:08 pm
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        he should have laid out some dough for that loot crate microtransaction

      • January 21, 2018 at 4:43 pm
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        It’s weird because Johnson even foreshadowed why his death would have occurred earlier in the film with a simple line of dialogue.

        I know simple is hard for you Kent. I know it. But you can TRY to not slam a square peg into a round hole for hours on end in your posts.

        So The Force Understands.

        • January 21, 2018 at 9:36 pm
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          Hours! Weeks already and still the same BS.

    • January 21, 2018 at 1:11 am
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      Snoke used a similar power at will with two people and it didn’t even have him.

      • January 21, 2018 at 2:35 am
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        Not similar at all. He didn’t project himself, he simply opened a connection between them. Watch Star Wars

      • January 21, 2018 at 2:07 pm
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        yes, how exactly does a hologram shoot Force Lightning?
        Not a force projection, a hologram

    • January 21, 2018 at 2:35 am
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      Kylo says to Rey earlier, “You aren’t doing this, the effort would kill you.”

      Yoda lifted an X-Wing and was exhausted. Watch Star Wars.

    • January 21, 2018 at 2:35 am
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      Kylo says to Rey earlier, “You aren’t doing this, the effort would kill you.”

      Yoda lifted an X-Wing and was exhausted. Watch Star Wars.

    • January 22, 2018 at 2:53 pm
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      A monumental effort usually exhausts people. Human people have limits.

    • January 29, 2018 at 8:21 pm
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      Yeah, Yoda was tired from lifting an X-Wing, to this makes sense. Real fans know that.

  • January 20, 2018 at 11:52 pm
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    I’m putting this stupidly, crudly and offensively but that’s unfortunately the way I get when I read or see stupidity. That retard on twitter( who is talking to R.J.)honestly thinks a force jump requires less effort that pulling yourself along in Zero G???? DOES HE HAVE NO BASIC COMPREHENSION OF WEIGHT IN SPACE AT ALL????

    • January 21, 2018 at 1:11 am
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      Zero g, after being blown out ofba decompressionized cabin, and floating in space long enough to your body freezes. Yes, that would require a lot more effort than a simple force jump.

      DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND SPACE AT ALL???? Physics. The nature of human frailty.

      • January 21, 2018 at 2:34 am
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        Do you?

      • January 21, 2018 at 5:08 am
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        Do you understand you shouldn’t apply real world physics in works of fantasy where the survival of the depths of space has been demonstrated before? Do you?

        • January 21, 2018 at 4:41 pm
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          *Cough* Death Star. *Cough* Anakin and Ahsoka ran around without space suits and bubble helmets in Clone Wars in space *Cough* These people have no idea what they’re whining about.

        • January 22, 2018 at 4:44 pm
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          Applying real-world physics to something like the Force and hyperspace would be pretty wizard for some people, I guess.

    • January 21, 2018 at 1:02 am
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      Never going to happen. SW fans aren’t good at forgetting.

        • January 21, 2018 at 1:11 am
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          LOL I SEE NOW!

          • January 21, 2018 at 2:28 am
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            Oh Kent.

          • January 21, 2018 at 2:04 pm
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            ‘leave Kent alone” LOL

      • January 21, 2018 at 4:35 pm
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        Mouth breathers also continue to suck down labored breaths while gathering into great moaning herds of group think to double dutch rudder themselves to hateful climax.

        Proof in point? You’re still here posting.

  • January 21, 2018 at 12:59 am
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    As much as I didn’t care for TLJ, this is one of the aspects I actually liked.

  • January 21, 2018 at 1:08 am
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    What utter rubbish. It’s funny he has to keep making excuses. I don’t recall anyone having to defend so much nonsense. R.J. elite hipster feelings were hurt.

    Umm, I care less how he used the power, only that it killed him but not the useless Snoke. Second, Marry poppins not having space resistance, really. She should have been dead, blown out of a decompresiionized cabin, floating in space, and then she Force floats while using a power she never used before. And she’s up walking around 20 minutes later.

    • January 21, 2018 at 2:32 am
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      I don’t remember so many butthurt fanboys complaining about a movie before, particularly because all their crappy fan theories weren’t fulfilled.

    • January 21, 2018 at 2:34 am
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      Excuses? He is explaining Star Wars to fans who don’t know shit about Star Wars.

      Your entire comment shows how little you paid attention.

  • January 21, 2018 at 2:29 am
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    Guarantee Ron Howard won’t need to explain every detail from that movie.

  • January 21, 2018 at 2:31 am
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    People need to go back and watch the OT and apply the same standards they are now using with TLJ.

    It will ruin the OT for them. HAHAHAHAHA.

    • January 21, 2018 at 4:06 am
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      I watched ESB last night with some friends (one friend is watching them through for the first time), and a lot of the seeds are there. Especially stuff like Luke communicating with Leia as he’s hanging from the Bespin antenna near death.

      Also, crazy Yoda. 🙂

      • January 21, 2018 at 4:34 am
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        Indeed. It’s all there.

      • January 21, 2018 at 1:39 pm
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        holy shit, tell me this is a joke, and that you really do understand why Yoda acted that way when he first meets Luke??

    • January 21, 2018 at 5:32 am
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      Why would you ever want anyone to have a Star Wars film-viewing ruined?

  • January 21, 2018 at 2:48 am
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    A film director allowing a troll on Twitter to get the best of him is not good optics. Even a film director putting a troll in his place on Twitter isn’t cool either. I’m all for freedom of expression, but Twitter isn’t the best forum for a professional to explain or defend their craft. Witnessing a director, author, movie-star, or musician (or anyone else who puts out a product) get into spats with regular people online rarely looks pretty.

    Leave the Shakesperean theater and pro-wrestling trolling tactics to the politicians (*none* of them will ever look professional anyway, at least imho… so they’ve got nothing lose).

    I don’t want to see or hear anything from J.J. leading up to his film. We don’t have to tell him this, of course — it’s his own very wise mystery-box policy to operate that way. But I wonder if Disney often pushes its behind-the-scenes talent (even Kathy K) into the limelight beyond their own comfort levels.

    Stop it Disney.
    Thanks.

    • January 21, 2018 at 2:57 am
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      i personally don’t mind him doing it, but i think it would be better to wait a few months and let things simmer down a bit before doing it. as it stands now every explanation is just kicking the hornets nest.

      • January 21, 2018 at 3:06 am
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        We’re both on the same page regarding the film, so I really don’t mind either… but I’m just throwing out a neutral observation, ’cause in the end, I’d simply prefer for Star Wars to stand on its own legs as an objectively good and consistent franchise that speaks for itself.

        I want Star Wars to be cool again.

        • January 21, 2018 at 3:19 am
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          That’s a good point and it should speak for itself. But I get why he feels defensive.

          • January 21, 2018 at 3:23 am
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            I totally empathize, actually. Introverts don’t like being thrown to the wolves — that’s why they choose roles behind the camera. But greedy corporations that want all their soldiers on the front lines making noise don’t realize how exhausting and potentially creatively-compromising that can be. Not good.

      • January 21, 2018 at 1:37 pm
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        Seems like it is some weird promotion for the dvd pre-sale, constantly telling the disney fans its still ok to like this film …. and to spend, please spend

      • January 21, 2018 at 4:30 pm
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        He’s trolling. Which is epic. I like this guy more all the time.

          • January 23, 2018 at 1:06 am
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            Shh. I want to believe.

    • January 21, 2018 at 10:49 am
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      Totally agree, and I’m tired of world leaders taking to Twitter as well.

      • January 21, 2018 at 2:29 pm
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        I can see why one might be tempted to feel that way… but a direct, unfiltered line of communication and accountability from a government’s leader straight to their people is actually a good thing, regardless of what nation you reside in, regardless of your affinity for this leader’s personality or politics, and regardless of whether it’s the year 2018 or 2081.

        • January 21, 2018 at 7:23 pm
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          Good points – perhaps its the way some leaders use Twitter. Direct to the population is good, but a more professional approach to what is sent out would be of benefit.

          • January 21, 2018 at 7:57 pm
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            I believe the word is “tact”.

            😉

  • January 21, 2018 at 2:57 am
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    It hilarious that any audience member thinks they’ve put more thought into The Last Jedi than Rian Johnson.

  • January 21, 2018 at 3:08 am
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    If you earned 1 dollar for every comment you posted on this website since TLJ was released last month, how much would you have earned? I think I would have about 20 bucks. How about you?

    • January 21, 2018 at 3:55 am
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      Wait… you can earn money commenting here?

      Will wonders never cease.

      😉

    • January 21, 2018 at 8:36 am
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      Taking exchange rates and inflation into account, that would be at least €25 in my case. Just about enough to get a Funko Pop figure and a half.

    • January 21, 2018 at 1:34 pm
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      if replies to comments counted, I would be pretty well off!

  • January 21, 2018 at 3:23 am
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    “Rian Johnson Explains”. Holy cow, this was a STAR WARS movie – not the Dead Sea Scrolls. Shouldn’t take this much ‘explaining’.

    • January 21, 2018 at 4:29 pm
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      Weird. Because there isn’t hours of video of George Lucas doing the same thing.

    • January 21, 2018 at 4:32 pm
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      Explaining Star Wars shouldn’t be required but our culture has devolved to the point where you have to spell it out for a lot of people because they’re too literal or too slow to understand a movie designed to be understood by children. I long for the day when the people who struggle to understand TLJ just drop out of the fandom and only watch Fast an Furious and Transformers movies. We’ll all be much happier.

    • January 21, 2018 at 4:32 pm
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      Explaining Star Wars shouldn’t be required but our culture has devolved to the point where you have to spell it out for a lot of people because they’re too literal or too slow to understand a movie designed to be understood by children. I long for the day when the people who struggle to understand TLJ just drop out of the fandom and only watch Fast an Furious and Transformers movies. We’ll all be much happier.

    • January 22, 2018 at 2:18 pm
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      This site weekly published Pablo Hidalgo’s tweets, explaining details about everything Star Wars. Rian Johnson is prohibited to do something similar???

  • January 21, 2018 at 4:04 am
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    Rian Johnson: guys, you’ve all got it wrong, The Last Jedi really doesn’t suck. Let me explain why….

    • January 21, 2018 at 6:07 am
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      “All”

      Lol.

    • January 29, 2018 at 3:28 pm
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      He does a better job than you do.

  • January 21, 2018 at 4:58 am
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    In Rian’s world Leia doesn’t need to train with the Force to get real good. Just because a Force power is in an old Legends book doesn’t mean its George Lucas approved. He should have asked George his thoughts about it first. It couldn’t have hurt to get Georges opinion once in a while, but the New Lucasfilm refuses to go too him. How far are they going to take it. Next we will have Jedi that can fly around planets and act too much like Superheros!

  • January 21, 2018 at 5:06 am
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    Space in the Star Wars universe doesn’t instantly kill you as it does in the harsh reality of our world. That’s been established since the clone wars tv show.

    • January 21, 2018 at 5:09 am
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      Omg i just posted about that below.

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        Omg maybe twice would be enough for people to understand!

      • January 21, 2018 at 5:13 am
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        Whoops sorry I think I misunderstood your comment

  • January 21, 2018 at 5:08 am
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    I liked the movie, but Its the one scene I wish wasn’t in the movie it was so over the top it was cringe worthy. I can’t believe it got past the powerful Story Group. I bet George Lucas would have vetoed it! This so-called Story Group must not have the power to stop directors. I guess their heads are to involved with letting silly things to slip into the cartoons & the forgot the difference between movie and cartoon.

  • January 21, 2018 at 5:08 am
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    I liked the movie, but Its the one scene I wish wasn’t in the movie it was so over the top it was cringe worthy. I can’t believe it got past the powerful Story Group. I bet George Lucas would have vetoed it! This so-called Story Group must not have the power to stop directors. I guess their heads are to involved with letting silly things to slip into the cartoons & the forgot the difference between movie and cartoon.

  • January 21, 2018 at 5:36 am
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    She was conscious. Her eyes even opened. To me at the start of that scene it looked more as if she was concentrating.

  • January 21, 2018 at 6:19 am
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    Well, he’s now just mocking and trolling people, like he did with the characters and lore. I wonder why he needs to reply and tweet? Why just not, like, be silent? Wouldn’t that be classier? Easier? Does he have time for this? Isn’t he supposed to be creating three masterpices?

    • January 21, 2018 at 4:25 pm
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      Why do you have to whine and cry? It’s just a movie. Wouldn’t it be healthier to move on with your life? I’m confused because I wouldn’t hang out on a Transformers website and bitch about those movies. I would just find something positive to do with my day.

      • January 21, 2018 at 6:43 pm
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        And your replying to my post, what does that say about you? This is a place for opinions, if you don’t like mine, fine, you don’t have to, but you do have to respect it. And I do have a very productive life, coming here to comment takes maybe like 10 minutes? I’ve still got 17 hours and 50 minutes to do other stuff, thanks for your concern though.

        • January 21, 2018 at 11:06 pm
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          It says he probably dosen’t like the forum getting littered with constant bitching and moaning (like any of that would make any difference)…
          Also, why should anyone respect a ponitless drivel which dosen’t add anything to a conversation?

          Just let it go and try getting a more productive hobby.

        • January 21, 2018 at 11:06 pm
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          It says he probably dosen’t like the forum getting littered with constant bitching and moaning (like any of that would make any difference)…
          Also, why should anyone respect a ponitless drivel which dosen’t add anything to a conversation?

          Just let it go and try getting a more productive hobby.

          • January 22, 2018 at 3:25 am
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            Personally, what people that liked TLJ call bitching are opinions, and if they are respectfully presented, I say are worth of being said, even if do not agree with our own. I have never called anyone names here, nor engaged in Internet fights, what I post is my own opinion. In this case, I believe Rian’s series of tweets are passive aggressive, as was his “HAHAHAHAHA” tweet last week. That is MY opinion, you do NOT have to like it, or agree with it, and not even invest your valuable time responding to it. Millennials REALLY need to learn that the world is NOT a safe space, that there are OTHER people with different opinions and points of view, and that other people are entitled to their own opinions as long as they are expressed in a respectful manner, and that is good. If SWNN decides that no more comments that contravene the movie shall be allowed here, I think they should let us all know.
            PS. You say these opinions contrary to the movie do not matter, well, I believe they do, I’m sure LFL read forums, and reddit, (there has been proof) and well, you hast have to look at the RT user rating.

          • January 22, 2018 at 3:25 am
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            Personally, what people that liked TLJ call bitching are opinions, and if they are respectfully presented, I say are worth of being said, even if do not agree with our own. I have never called anyone names here, nor engaged in Internet fights, what I post is my own opinion. In this case, I believe Rian’s series of tweets are passive aggressive, as was his “HAHAHAHAHA” tweet last week. That is MY opinion, you do NOT have to like it, or agree with it, and not even invest your valuable time responding to it. Millennials REALLY need to learn that the world is NOT a safe space, that there are OTHER people with different opinions and points of view, and that other people are entitled to their own opinions as long as they are expressed in a respectful manner, and that is good. If SWNN decides that no more comments that contravene the movie shall be allowed here, I think they should let us all know.
            PS. You say these opinions contrary to the movie do not matter, well, I believe they do, I’m sure LFL read forums, and reddit, (there has been proof) and well, you hast have to look at the RT user rating.

          • January 22, 2018 at 7:48 pm
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            How else should’ve Rian reacted to a misogynist cretin’s “fan-edit”?
            His reaction was perfetly appropriate…

            No one calls valid criticism of the movie bitching or moaning. Only the pointless drivel like the many littered on this forum. If you don’t want to/can’t distinguish the two, it’s your fault, sorry to say…

            A large and vocal group of hater hate the ST merely for being a Disney product, or for political reasons (to put it politely). There is nothing Disney can or should do with valuable and respectful “arguments” like those.

            Thankfully Reddit can’t be littered with pointless moaning the way these forums are. The junk there goes right where it belongs…

          • January 22, 2018 at 9:00 pm
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            Of course I can distinguish between drivel and elaborate discussion, there just doesn’t seem to be a place for such, reddit is all just orgasming at everything SW, you can’t try to bring up any point there, so I’ve stopped posting, I just read the news and make funny remarks. There isn’t a neutral place on the Internet to discuss SW right now, and tweets like Rian’s do not encourage that discussion. His “hahhahaha” tweet in response to the fanedit is just pretentious and dumb. Why not address the real issues and stop calling everyone just “haters” and “misogynists” as a defense argument. I know, he does not have to answer anything, well, then just don’t, if you can’t come up with an adult reply. I do not hate SW because it is a Disney product, I like Rogue One, and although I think TFA is just too similar to ANH, I think it is better than TLJ, from a filmmaking point of view. Too bad we can’t discuss why I think so here, without me getting called “hater” and “moaner”.

          • January 23, 2018 at 10:24 am
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            What I don’t understand is that TFA had a New Republic, which was first mentioned in the moment of its destruction. The weak spot of Starkiller Base was found in a Spaceball-like manner. And R2D2s wake-up in the end was a deus ex machina moment. Why do you call this movie better from a ‘filmmaking point of view’, while TLJ is somehow worse, even though the main argument against it (and I really understand that you can get obsessed with it) is grumpy Luke. But grumpy Luke is not bad from a filmmaking point of view.
            There are so many complains about Rian Johnson giving comments about his details, which in my opinion just show, how much effort he has put into making this movie and that scenes in the movie were not by accident, but well planed. But JJ had to explain, why R2 was waking up in the end of his movie, because he was not able to show it in the movie and you would never guess or understand it from watching the movie.

          • January 23, 2018 at 10:24 am
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            What I don’t understand is that TFA had a New Republic, which was first mentioned in the moment of its destruction. The weak spot of Starkiller Base was found in a Spaceball-like manner. And R2D2s wake-up in the end was a deus ex machina moment. Why do you call this movie better from a ‘filmmaking point of view’, while TLJ is somehow worse, even though the main argument against it (and I really understand that you can get obsessed with it) is grumpy Luke. But grumpy Luke is not bad from a filmmaking point of view.
            There are so many complains about Rian Johnson giving comments about his details, which in my opinion just show, how much effort he has put into making this movie and that scenes in the movie were not by accident, but well planed. But JJ had to explain, why R2 was waking up in the end of his movie, because he was not able to show it in the movie and you would never guess or understand it from watching the movie.

          • January 23, 2018 at 4:24 pm
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            I’m not talking about plot holes. TFA (which I’m not a big fan of) was well edited, and played out fairly consistently, even a little bit too fast for my taste. What I cannot forgive from TLJ is the Rose and Finn quest which is plainly and absolutely filler. Story-wise it makes no sense, it has no real reason to be, nothing is achieved from it, except placing Finn on the ship to kill Phasma. In good story telling EVERYTHING and EVERYONE has got to have a reason to be there and to the things they do. You can filler in your stories, but not take 1/4 of the story with that filler. It distracts from the real issues. Rian has said that he didn’t have time to elaborate on Snoke’s story or Kinghts of Ren. Or how about Luke’s recent past, or developing Rey and Kylo’s relationship into a firmly cemented, complicated one? Well, how about not spending 35 minutes of your movie with a filler subplot, and spend that in what really matters? Sorry, this is just unforgivable from a professional writer/director. I understand what you say and also think those are inconsistencies (can’t say plot-hole here) Like Luke’s map, etc. I’ve said it before, it is a real problem they did not plan out or rough sketched the trilogy before hand, especially if Kennedy wanted different directors for the three movies, even my haters agree with me on this. Again, unforgivable from a professional.

          • January 23, 2018 at 4:36 pm
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            I understand.

            Why do you see the Finn-Rose subplot as a filler?
            That plot is connected to Poes arc. He is taking action and is failing in it. Finn and Rose are taking action, the whole subplot is about failure: they do not get the master code cracker and they do not switch off the tracker.
            Finn’s story arc is also developed: he starts as someone who belongs nowhere. He wants to leave the Raddus, so that Rey will not be trapped there. He has Finn as Angel on his left and DJ as Devil on his right shoulder. In the end, he decides to stay with the Resistance and fully commits to them, even to the point, where he is willing to sacrifice his life on Crait.
            Without Poe telling Holdos plan to Finn and DJ listening, the FO would not have known and therefore would not have blown up the transporters. By that they challenged Holdo for the hyperkaze.

            These are three very important points that let me think the Finn-Rose subplot was not a filler but indeed story-driven.

          • January 23, 2018 at 5:46 pm
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            I’ve read about the failure issue, that may be the theme or original idea, and the movie’s entire premise, but I did not lie, the execution. I say it’s filler because you remove it and nothing changes, try it, there’s a couple of fanedits out there now that do this, and you’ll see. Even their “failure” means nothing in the end, it does not affect the overall story, Snoke’s ship still gets destroyed, some of the resistance manage to escape, all the good guys live (even Luke, as a ghost). The only real change is that now there are less of the rebellion. Rose and Finn’s story do not affect that at all. Let’s see ESB, we could argue that that movie is also about failure, (we could say that about middle episode or chapters in any trilogy or narrative, since it’s drama 101) since Luke “fails” to defeat Vader, or save his friends, “Han” fails to save Leia, Lando “fails” to save Han, but that’s just the middle act, where the tides turn. The difference between ESB and TLJ is that those “failures” have consequences, first directly within the same movie, and then for the next. Please tell me the consequences of Rose & Finn’s adventure for Episode IX? That the evil rich men will have no casino to gamble on? They didn’t even save the kids! Oh but the horses roam free now. Seriously, remove that hole sequence, there’s no consequence, maybe Finn changes, but he is even blocked of making the biggest change of all, laying his life for what he believes in, as you said. I know I won’t convince anyone, and I’m glad you enjoyed it, but I needed more depth and character development, not just vignettes of emotions.

          • January 24, 2018 at 10:47 am
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            Why does nothing change, when you take out that subplot of Finn and Rose. Of course you could argue that taking out that chase-scene with the Fathiers does not change the subplot – and I agree. A few details of that subplots were not that important and maybe were just fun to watch.

            Rose tells Finn, how she became an enemy of the FO. This again shows us, how evil the FO is.
            Taking out that subplot, the FO does not shoot at the transporters. Holdo does not do her hyperkaze attack. Luke does not confront Kylo and die. All these things just happen, because DJ knows of Holdos plan.
            Whithout that subplot, Poe does not rebel against Holdo and learn to be a leader instead of a hero.
            (Without that subplot we did not have DJ, who I liked very much – but that’s just a side-note.)

            Finn laying his life down for what he believes: I had the impression that he would not have made it. He would have died for nothing. That’s why Rose blocked him. Poe said “there were heroes on that mission” and Leia answers “dead heroes”. And that’s in my opinion the lesson for Poe and Finn.

          • January 24, 2018 at 4:34 am
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            I replied with a really lengthy post to this but it just seems it didnt stick, and now I cant rememeber all I wrote. I answered directly on disques page, maybe that has something to do with it?

          • January 24, 2018 at 10:49 am
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            Strange – I see that one reply in one browser window and that reply in the other … maybe discuss messed up … but I got your reply via mail and could answer it, thank you for taking the time 🙂

          • January 24, 2018 at 7:49 pm
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            My please, thank you for the civil conversation.

        • January 21, 2018 at 11:12 pm
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          No one’s opinion is entitled to respect. In fact, most opinions aren’t informed enough to deserve anyone’s respect. What I’ve tired of is the endless and pointless bitching that serves no purpose but to spoil other people’s legitimate discussion of something they enjoy and that they can debate the pros and cons of respectfully. If you didn’t like The Last Jedi and you just want be a snarky smartass who lacks any real insight then find something else to do with your time. We heard you now move on. This goes for everyone not just you.

          • January 22, 2018 at 3:17 am
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            See what I mean, how do you expect anyone to have a real conversation if your first sentiment is “nobody’s opinions deserve respect” (wow, your included?) and “ya’ll a bunch of ignorants”. If my posts are so pedestrian for your fine tastes, why did you feel the need to respond to it? If you are tired of all the “bitching” then let’s engage in a full conversation, but no, you first attack and then call names (snarky smartass) Sorry, I refuse to descend to your level of dialogue.

          • January 22, 2018 at 4:18 pm
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            i actually said that no one’s opinion is entitled to respect. Opinions which are well argued and add value to a conversation do deserve respect. Simply having a thought and managing to bang it out on a keyboard isn’t an act that demands respect.

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      Right, he gives you a valid explanation using material from Legends to illustrate the choice he made in a very entertaining and intellectual format and you can’t take it so you continue to yell and scream like a child.

      He’s doing this to troll you, because he knows his film isn’t as bad as you claim it to be. May I add, he’s quite effective on it based on the responses we’ve seen here.

      Find yourself a Star Wars safe place So The Force Understands.

      I wish all of you would just give on Star Wars and go away. It would be the highlight of my life.

  • January 21, 2018 at 6:26 am
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    After reading your comments, I’m starting to think Star Wars wasn’t actually based on a true story.

    • January 22, 2018 at 2:21 pm
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      Explain how I could launch lightning from my hands this morning. True story bro!!!

    • January 21, 2018 at 4:43 pm
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      That gif is amazing.

      • January 21, 2018 at 4:44 pm
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        Creepy — I’m fairly convinced the puppeteer is actually dying under the table.

    • January 21, 2018 at 6:51 pm
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      Wow, great defense, you’d make a great lawyer. People that liked this movie just concentrate on attacking and mocking (like Rian himself) those that found fundamental flaws within it, and there are dozens of articles and videos stating the reasons why this was not a good movie, from a filmmaking point of view, not just fan service wishes, mind you. But on the other side, other than great cinematography (which is also cinematographer’s job, so no, Rian is not a genius) I have yet to hear or read arguments on why this film is a masterpiece.

      • January 21, 2018 at 7:45 pm
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        Am I right?

        • January 21, 2018 at 9:48 pm
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          Yessir!

  • January 21, 2018 at 6:43 am
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    Completely ruined Star Wars.. This is the only Star Wars movie I don’t care about. In fact, I feel kinda embarrassed for myself that I hyped this movie up in my own head so much before it’s release (like I have with all previous SW movies before their release) I actually do not care about the next movie at all as I now hate the main characters of the new trilogy thanks to Rians beyond SHIT excuse at movie making. Episode 1 is better than this film, fact, at least it left us wanting more. We wanted to know how the story continued.
    TFA was also a good film hence why so many of us were excited for the next installment. I hope people keep trolling Rrian, he deserves it. In fact put him in a room with some hard core fans and I’d like to watch him squirm while they tell him how much he f*cked this up.

    • January 21, 2018 at 1:59 pm
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      I think he is well aware of how back he F’ed up, from the fans and from his studio bosses.
      But, like I tell everyone I meet who thinks the franchise is gone, look at how Revenge of the Sith turned around the trainwreck of Attack of the Clones.
      JJ has a tremendous uphill battle ahead of him, get things back on track, make people care again, and do it in such a way as not looking like outright dismissal of what happened in Last Jedi, that could be even worse.
      Death of Snoke and Rey’s parents have now “officially” declared non binding, but how much can he reset without it becoming ridiculous?

      • January 23, 2018 at 4:47 am
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        I know, seems it could never happened, but what if, just what if he completely ignores this episode and do whatever story he wants to, for example continuing his story arc. It will still make money and people will go to see it 3-4 times just to be sure how brilliant or how bad the movie is….I would give my money to Rey, Kylo lied to you, I am your father. But Luke, in previous episode you didn’t know….Naah, I was just kidding, or maybe I just didn’t remember. Old Ben alwayssaid that the point of view is really important and….

    • January 21, 2018 at 7:07 pm
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      I feel the same. It’s weird I have all 7 blurays, I liked TFA, but now what should I do? It’s pointless to watch it now when I can’t watch 8 again (tried but felt embarassed for the actors who had to do it) and for that episode 9 is pointless as well, because it has nothing to follow…. What a great character Rey was in TFA. What a promising look in Luke’s eyes at the end of TFA….. A sad end of the story. But now I just don’t care the future movies and feel much better. Next christmas my kid will see Episode 1 and we have the whole second trilogy to discover together…..

      • January 21, 2018 at 10:58 pm
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        Talk about first world problems lol…
        Don’t worry, you’ll get over it if you try really hard.

  • January 21, 2018 at 7:30 am
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    It’d be nice if he had written in some dialog between Luke, Rey and Yoda that referred to these things from these legacy canon sources. There’s a tradition of taking elements from the books and other SW media for the movies — Lucas himself borrowed the name and planet of Coruscant from another SW media (a role-playing game I think). But I suspect Johnson didn’t actually do this — it appears he’s backpedaling due to growing backlash: doing searches on SW wiki pages now to find something that supports his choices after the fact, not something he did as research as he was writing the screenplay.

    I’ve been rationalizing with myself if I liked or disliked TLJ. Most of my friends have been feeling the same, except for a few who love it. (I would consider these people “hard core” fans of SW.) Honestly, the last time my feelings about a Star Wars movie waffled so much was The Phantom Menace. After some time, I admitted to myself that I just didn’t like that movie. And I felt bad at the time for feeling that way. This is the early stage feeling I’ve been having over TLJ, everyone. And I feel like I’m being made to feel bad for maybe saying that I didn’t think it was a good movie.

    • January 21, 2018 at 9:07 am
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      Most hard core fans I know didn’t like it.

    • January 21, 2018 at 1:53 pm
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      I felt exactly the same after Phantom Menace, I would have defended it until then end of time, BUT after the hype wore down and when discussing the film turns from things you liked to things disliked. The slow realization creeps in. and you begin to feel torn because, yes, you are a passionate fan, but does that mean you have to like everything?
      This movie will not stand the test of time, and there will be a empty space on the shelf where ep 8 should be,

      • January 21, 2018 at 4:26 pm
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        Yet there are still folks here who swear Episode I is a work of art and has a huge following along with the rest of the prequels.

        You’re wrong to even try to predict whether this film will stand the test of time. There are kids who are 9 who will be 19 in ten years who will form a new collective fan base who will defend these films as the millennials have the Prequels.

      • January 21, 2018 at 6:50 pm
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        I like a lot of the phantom menace. I agree – after months of reading endless people criticising it – it started to poison my perception of the movie. Go back to it now, and there are some really good scenes and stylistically it is an interesting movie.

        Episode 8 will for sure go on my shelf with all the rest. Maybe I will like it more or less after time, but like all the other movies I will want to watch it again. And I hope IX adds to my appreciation of it.

  • January 21, 2018 at 12:03 pm
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    he switched off hus targeting computer. Its important that you watch the movies you discus.

  • January 21, 2018 at 1:00 pm
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    The Last Jedi was a good movie. Rian directed a good movie.

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      He sure did.

    • January 22, 2018 at 1:57 pm
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      Simple as that.

  • January 21, 2018 at 1:40 pm
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    LOL Kal-Leia and her father Jor-Vader

  • January 21, 2018 at 1:48 pm
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    Rian Johnsons excuses are being to sound as lame as the Disney-bots
    Keep explaining until the end of time, it still wont help
    Now, feel free to commence with the name calling, that will make everyone like this shitfest film even more, and help the collective feel goodies here

  • January 21, 2018 at 1:48 pm
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    Rian Johnsons excuses are being to sound as lame as the Disney-bots
    Keep explaining until the end of time, it still wont help
    Now, feel free to commence with the name calling, that will make everyone like this shitfest film even more, and help the collective feel goodies here

    • January 21, 2018 at 4:24 pm
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      Not as lame as your repeated posts about the topic that never dare to entertain a new tact or premise for their delivery unto our already bleeding eyes.

      So The Force Understands that you’re not the most prolific poster on our forums nor are you an individual that is doing anything to promote constructive conversation among fans and adults.

      So The Force Understands. Please?

    • January 21, 2018 at 3:49 pm
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      Tell that to Han Solo in The Empire Strikes Back.

    • January 21, 2018 at 3:49 pm
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      Tell that to Han Solo in The Empire Strikes Back.

      • January 21, 2018 at 3:58 pm
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        The quoted text refers to wield in combat. And as the tweets states, not a problem but then you need to use the book entirely. You cannot say it is good for some parts and bad for others.

        • January 21, 2018 at 4:09 pm
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          It states it’s impossible to wield a lightsaber without physical self-mastery. To wield something, is to hold and use (a weapon or a tool), this is precisely what Han did without self-mastery.

          • January 21, 2018 at 4:18 pm
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            The quoted text is about combat jedi techniques. And is meant to wield in combat, missing that word because it was already part of the title.

            Again, use the book for the whole thing or don’t use. If Rians takes it as a point to defend Luke’s new ability he should do the same for Rey and Finn wielding a lightsaber. This was my point.

            For me Finn is ok in TFA and I fully trusted Rey, which is one of my favs.

          • January 21, 2018 at 10:17 pm
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            Why should Rian Johnson defend what J.J. setup? Finn and Rey wielded the lightsaber in TFA. Johnson was simply continuing with Rey what was setup before him. Carlo Treviso’s tweet would have more relevance if it was directed at J.J.

          • January 22, 2018 at 1:56 pm
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            Why some director or writer can’t pull a particular element of a book, not the entire book? So, we cannot use Thrawn without canonizing “Heir of The Empire”, “Dark Force Rising”, “Outbound Flight”?

            There is no logic in your thinking. It was an inspiration that RJ gor in that book, a singular element that he tought would be fitting in the film. What’s the problem with that? Where is that rule of “use all or use nothing”? With a book that is LUCASFILM PROPERTY? You talk like you are the owner of the book rights…

    • January 21, 2018 at 8:15 pm
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      What does “master your physical self” even mean? Does it mean without being trained in combat? Because both Rey and Finn are adept at fighting before TFA. Whereas 6 year old padawans have probably never used any weapon of any kind and would chop off an arm.

    • January 22, 2018 at 1:48 pm
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      Well, the Bible come with the precedent that all it contains counts (even so somethings of the Old Testament are superated by Jesus actions in the New).

      Not really the case in that Jedi Path book. The book is not canonical now, but Lucasfilm can, at their absolute discretion, pull elements from Legends into Canon. A character, a event, a place, a force power. There is no rule that states that that whole book must be made canon now. And no one in LF said that, never. Thrawn came into Canon, but not all elements from his Legends books.

  • January 21, 2018 at 3:49 pm
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    Suspension of disbelief. Any fantasy world has rules to provide the audience with a fake sense of reality. Otherwise, it would always seem you change or add things for convenience.

    In a 152 minutes length movie, RJ added new characters while still need to develop previously introduced ones, added secondary plots heading nowhere and fully missed developing new powers and providing depth to old and new characters.

    I didn’t need this with Palpatine using Lightning, Luke and Leia communicating nearby or if a Jedi would project himself in a close range or with certain limits… BUT NOT ACROSS THE WHOLE GALAXY! Would you believe Superman eats Kryptonite for breakfast? Well, actually I would! But not just showing me he eats it! Because it is a big change on the character and its universe’s rules, I would need something else to develop this concept. Is not about theories we wanted or the overall plot, is about developing it properly in a script and its movie. I could believe Luke turned to the Dark Side if it was properly depicted.

    When you fail at this, you ask the audience to suspend its disbelief too many times to actually trust what they are watching. You can even make them feel cheated…

    It is technique.

    • January 21, 2018 at 5:04 pm
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      I agree with a lot of what you’re saying. The Force projection IMO isn’t that bad. However his changes/ideas elsewhere definitely fall into this. I feel the Force projection isn’t so outlandish for a Force power… but it is a strange storytelling device.

      Here Leia, have these dice, sike! Yo Ren… let’s do this, sike! Luke is so cool. He just fooled them all… oh crap he’s dead. Well then. That was… an interesting choice. Luke traveling to the location by X-wing was implausible? I mean if Finn and Rose can leave the chase and come back with no problem… Luke showing up wouldn’t be that much of a stretch.

      The hyperkaze attack to me fits very well into what you’re saying.

      I’ll give him this. The Binary sunset and fading to a cloak in the wind was beautiful. I just wish I would have been invested in what happened just before that.

      • January 21, 2018 at 6:43 pm
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        It’s psych not ‘sike’ what do you actually think ‘sike’ is supposed to mean ?

        • January 21, 2018 at 7:01 pm
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          Sike is slang for psych which is another way of saying “fooled you”.. it’s a British thing.

        • January 21, 2018 at 8:09 pm
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          I googled it. It told me sike for the urban slang of psych. As in to sike someone out that everything they just said wasn’t true. Seriously… I actually researched beforehand to make sure it was right 😛

    • January 21, 2018 at 6:42 pm
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      Why is it any harder to force project yourself across the galaxy, than a nearby planet? I know the distance is absolutely vast, but why would distance even come into it. The further the distance the harder it is? Who set that rule? It’s not like running or throwing an object where physics comes into play. It’s a mystical force, magic essentially. Like when Luke tries to lift the x-wing in TESB. To a force adept it’s no different to lifting a few rocks.

      • January 21, 2018 at 7:09 pm
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        “Size matters not” a wise old Jedi Master once said.

        I total agree the distance shouldn’t matter, but then some fans didn’t/still can’t comprehend the PT having Jedi twirling and doing flips in lightsaber combat, even Yoda fighting Dooku and Palpatine. Yet it was established that the force could boost your physical body in such things, such as Luke jumping onto the scaffold facing Vader in RotJ.

      • January 22, 2018 at 2:46 pm
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        Maybe is not only distance, but the duration of the ilusion, and the fidelity. It wasn’t a 2 min. thing, and it was very “real”, we all were fooled too.

  • January 21, 2018 at 4:43 pm
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    yes, cause agressive fans make him feel like he owes them an explenation, even though he doesn’t. Shows how much of a nice guy he is. Maybe too nice…

  • January 21, 2018 at 4:44 pm
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    So are all the people on these forums in their Safe Space Echo Chamber.

  • January 21, 2018 at 5:10 pm
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    so tipical: the most radicals fans are exaclty those who read less. Like religious radicals: these generally have never read the Bible. And they talk A LOT, EVERYWHERE, WHITOUT STOPPING. Radicals are radicals everywhere

    • January 21, 2018 at 6:28 pm
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      hahaha.. i see it in the opinions.. if its without getting agressivly personal then i will take it seriously.

    • January 21, 2018 at 6:28 pm
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      hahaha.. i see it in the opinions.. if its without getting agressivly personal then i will take it seriously.

    • January 22, 2018 at 2:44 pm
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      I can see lots of criticism about “plot-holes” with goof explanation in Canon and overall logic. This is what saddens me about that parcel of fandon, they sacrifice credibility to hate a movie in a franchise they supposed love.

  • January 21, 2018 at 5:10 pm
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    Not sure why he chose Leia sensing Luke as an example. They established Force users can sense one another way back in ANH. This was also a nice hint to Leia being revealed she’s his sister in RotJ.

    A better example would have been Luke vs Deathstar, Anakin vs Lucrehulk, Rey vs everything in TFA. Rian has a nasty habit of being so close to a great idea/answer that would have been so much better if he changed the slightest aspects. I hope I’m not this frustrated by his new trilogy.

    • January 21, 2018 at 6:34 pm
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      I think his point was convenient introduction of force powers just in time to save the day. In ESB we had for the first time in the OT, a living force sensitive (Luke) calling out to a supposedly non-force sensitive person (Leia). At that stage of the OT, with no PT or ROTJ, I think his point is fair. Only in ROTJ did you find out she is his sister. Hinting for me more information to come in IX.

      • January 21, 2018 at 8:13 pm
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        Eh… I’d argue the more direct and literal day saver was definitely the Deathstar. Luke used the Force to guide a missile in. We had no idea what the Force was capable of at that point. Now fast forward to ESB. We know they can sense one another. We know they can move objects with their minds. I don’t find it a stretch that they can reach out to anyone at that point. Seemed a natural development. Just like I have no issues with the mind bridge.

      • January 23, 2018 at 1:22 am
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        Back then even knowing she is his sister never crossed my mind that she could sense him because of that. I was convinced Luke communicated with her because he knows the Force and that’s enough. Not that to do Force Skype you need both to be Force users…

  • January 21, 2018 at 5:21 pm
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    the Original Trilogy is gone,This the new stuff, and only the new stuff counts.

    Unless its a year that ends in an even number, then we want you to revisit the OT with these anthology films

  • January 21, 2018 at 6:00 pm
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    I think he should stop with these tweets, but I have to admit this was a good one.
    The vocal group of haters are probably those who know the least about Star Wars…

    His tweets are still mostly pointless. Haters will hate nevertheless. They don’t want any explanation, just to continue echoing the same flawed or unrealistic opinion.

    • January 21, 2018 at 7:43 pm
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      Nice attempt at marginalizing critics of the last jedi.

      Which goes something like this: anyone who doesn’t like TLJ is an irrational “hater” and should be ignored.

    • January 21, 2018 at 7:43 pm
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      Nice attempt at marginalizing critics of the last jedi.

      Which goes something like this: anyone who doesn’t like TLJ is an irrational “hater” and should be ignored.

      • January 21, 2018 at 10:38 pm
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        Judging by those tweets aimed at RJ, I don’t think I need to attempt anything…
        However, If the cap fits wear it, if it dosen’t, dont.

        If you’re not a hater you don’t need the directors explanation though, because you’re open for discussion about it.
        Which I’m pretty sure you are…

  • January 21, 2018 at 6:58 pm
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    Keyword “instantly”

  • January 21, 2018 at 7:06 pm
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    As someone who likes the movie I do have a valid question as opposed to never ending critique.

    If Snoke can join Rey and Kylo across the galaxy why can he not see where Rey is?

    Considering part of the vision is so strong it includes water from the sea splashing on Kylo, surely Snoke could see more.

    If it was me I would have had the presence of Rey reveal Luke’s location (or lure him to reconnect) and send Knights of Ren to take care of them.

    • January 21, 2018 at 7:08 pm
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      You’re thinking about a film that had no thought put into it.

      • January 21, 2018 at 7:18 pm
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        you are clearly trying to be an edgy troll.

        • January 21, 2018 at 9:56 pm
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          But, but they’re a ‘real’ star wars fan!

        • January 22, 2018 at 12:38 am
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          No, no. Can’t you see he’s a “real” Star War fan?!

    • January 21, 2018 at 7:10 pm
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      I remember certain “websites” claimed to know for a fact that Adam Driver was on set with Mark Hamill and Daisy Ridley, so I too was expecting some sort of fight on Ach-to

      • January 21, 2018 at 7:13 pm
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        The alternative ending where Luke annihilates the knights of ren and bests kylo and doesn’t die would have been infinitely better than the crap we got.

        • January 21, 2018 at 7:18 pm
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          Jedi aren’t suppose to be rambo. That was the whole point of the movie.

          • January 21, 2018 at 7:18 pm
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            But it’s ok for them to be superwoman? And fly through space?

        • January 21, 2018 at 7:24 pm
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          Kylo’s fate at end of TFA was left open. He was on a planet falling apart. I would have made him incapacitated for the start of the movie, and sent in Knight’s of Ren without Ren himself.
          I would still keep the force projection ending fight with Kylo. Then fans would see both versions of Luke and only acting out of defence.

          • January 21, 2018 at 8:20 pm
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            maybe after Ep 9,someone will make a creative fan edit,like many are doing with the prequels.
            You have some good ideas,maybe someone can work something that fits them in.

        • January 22, 2018 at 7:16 am
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          No this was better

      • January 21, 2018 at 9:14 pm
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        If you’re talking about the island. Adam was there to film Daisy’s mind bridge scenes. So I believe they were all there at one point.

      • January 22, 2018 at 3:54 am
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        Yeah, can’t you just “enjoy the movie”?

    • January 21, 2018 at 8:11 pm
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      Maybe he can see where Rey is (the island, etc.), but that information isn’t helpful in pinpointing her location on a map? Knowing where someone is is still useless if you don’t know where that planet is in the galaxy? Even when the resistance has a fragment of the map, they are still baffled as to what the map is actually showing until they see it in the complete map of the galaxy.
      (I don’t think I’m articulating my thought here well)

    • January 22, 2018 at 2:10 pm
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      I THINK Rey and Kylo developed a kind of connection when he tried to enter her mind in ep. 7… Maybe Snoke amplified that, but he (and Kylo too) could not pinpoint her location in the Galaxy. It’s a different thing, be connected to something, from know the exact location of that thing.

  • January 21, 2018 at 7:06 pm
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    I just watched Bladerunner 2049.

    It was really good, unlike TLJ.

  • January 21, 2018 at 7:06 pm
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    I just watched Bladerunner 2049.

    It was really good, unlike TLJ.

    • January 21, 2018 at 8:15 pm
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      Another movie that was too long, but I would watch BladeRunner2049 a million times over before I ever watch that shit pile of The Last Jedi again.

      Disney… Lucas Film… Kathleen Kennedy… Rian…. you all suck.

      • January 22, 2018 at 3:30 am
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        really? I really liked TLJ

        it wasn’t a shit pile, my opinion or whatever, in no way was TLJ a shit pile. Even if I didn’t like it so much like some of mates didn’t and lots here didn’t I don’t think I’d think it was a shit pile even if I didn’t like it

        …it wasn’t a shit pile

    • January 21, 2018 at 8:53 pm
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      Bladerunner really was good… but I don’t see the point of this post. Seems like trolling to me. Critique the films sure. Even say you really disliked it. Just randomly coming in and bashing isn’t very constructive.

      You give those who didn’t care for the movie for legitimate reasons a bad name. You wont move the conversation in any direction other than to entrench both sides.

  • January 21, 2018 at 7:08 pm
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    When a movie needs this much explaining to cover for it’s issues maybe that’s just a sign that there are issue with the movie.

    • January 21, 2018 at 7:53 pm
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      I don’t know that I agree with that. But I see parallels to BVS.

    • January 22, 2018 at 1:25 pm
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      How is showing where you got an idea from an explanation to cover up an issue?

  • January 21, 2018 at 7:13 pm
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    “let the past die, to kill it if you must…when it’s not convenient, otherwise feel free to use it to justify yourself as you see fit” seems to be the full quote.

  • January 21, 2018 at 7:37 pm
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    pilot ” its impossible, even for a computer ” luke didnt say he shot them without a computer. he merely said it was possible. so you could argue that he meant with a computer.

  • January 21, 2018 at 7:47 pm
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    Coming next week;
    How Weaponizing Hyperspace goes back to a box of C-3po cereal from 1986

    • January 21, 2018 at 9:03 pm
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      I actually googled that to make sure there wasn’t some sort of back splash on the box showing a ram.

    • January 21, 2018 at 9:06 pm
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      Or… how the Mandella Effect altered the spelling from “3-PO’s” to “Threepios” (or vice-versa).

      • January 21, 2018 at 9:50 pm
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        lol he says bloody about as much as I say the F word. Yes… it’s a problem. 😛

          • January 22, 2018 at 3:52 am
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            Have you seen the comments on that video? Must be bots, or Russians…

        • January 22, 2018 at 11:38 am
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          That guy is hilarious- and you’re right it does seem relevant. Thanks for sharing it.

        • January 22, 2018 at 1:29 pm
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          still not good enough for a red carpet pass, try harder

    • January 22, 2018 at 5:52 am
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      BWAHAHAHAHAHA and yeah Rian shows that book but that book isn’t canon.

      • January 22, 2018 at 1:29 pm
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        Lucasfilm can bring Legends elements to Canon at any time.

      • January 22, 2018 at 1:29 pm
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        Lucasfilm can bring Legends elements to Canon at any time.

        • January 22, 2018 at 1:31 pm
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          is this canon now?
          I assume it is when it is shown as an explanation for a particular event, what about the Sith book? weren’t they a pair?

          • January 22, 2018 at 1:36 pm
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            You really will be so nitpick? The whole book wasn’t canonized, only a particular force power. And, so? Who cares?

            When they brought Thrawn into Canon, it was the character, not the 5 books he was featured in.

            All of this is storytelling. They are using elements that are property of Lucasfilm. What’s the problem if one thing of Legends is brought to Canon? Why the fuss??

        • January 23, 2018 at 1:07 am
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          I know, right? Fuck, they don’t buy it, it’s not working…….but few comics and books will fix it – there you go, it’s canon, you stupid fanboys

  • January 21, 2018 at 8:13 pm
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    There’s going to be a whole lot of Rian “Ruin” Johnson explanations / justifications coming in the next few weeks considering every scene in the movie is fatally flawed.

    God damn The Last Jedi sucked.

  • January 21, 2018 at 8:13 pm
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    There’s going to be a whole lot of Rian “Ruin” Johnson explanations / justifications coming in the next few weeks considering every scene in the movie is fatally flawed.

    God damn The Last Jedi sucked.

    • January 21, 2018 at 8:19 pm
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      Disney;” we have to do something,no one is buying these DVD’s”
      Kennedy ” Rian did this, hes got to fix it”
      Disney;” Were taking an awful risk here, this had better work”

    • January 22, 2018 at 12:05 am
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      Actually I think it shows he’s thought everything through pretty well and most of the critiques are missing the inherent logic. Just because you didn’t like it doesn’t mean it’s “fatally flawed”.

      • January 23, 2018 at 1:04 am
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        Please explain the inherent logic of map to Luke Skywalker, wake up of R2, I came here nevertobefind and to die. I’m one of those who didn’t understand that

        • January 23, 2018 at 3:26 am
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          2/3 of that was Abrams, not Johnson.

          • January 23, 2018 at 4:20 am
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            Was that your explanation? So when a plot doesn’t make sense, it’s totally incoherent, denies the McGuffin of previous episode, it’s fatally flawed, your answer is this? I still don’t understand. What are trying to say? That the map and what says Luke is coherent? Or it isn’t (thus you admit I’m right) and most of the fault is on JJ, because HIS movie is not coherent with the NEXT one? I’m lost here, my friend….

          • January 23, 2018 at 4:36 am
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            Johnson made the best of JJ’s poor narrative choices, is what I’m saying. He was stuck with the dead ends and empty mystery boxes his predecessor left him.

  • January 22, 2018 at 2:13 am
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    Disney needs to either A) bring back George Lucas in at least some capacity or B) quit making Star Wars movies.

    Because clearly they don’t know what in the hell they’re doing.

    • January 22, 2018 at 2:17 am
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      The Last Jedi was a good movie.

    • January 22, 2018 at 3:11 am
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      You must be a REAL Star Wars fan….and know what’s best for this franchise….too bad you aren’t in charge. Bunch of whiners this board has become infested with!! I am done reading comments on youtube and SW sites . It is no longer fun..which is what SW should be all about. Now on to SOLO: A SW Story.

      • January 22, 2018 at 12:24 pm
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        i agree, time for the disney fanboys to move on, and leave our Star Wars alone

      • January 22, 2018 at 1:27 pm
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        I am thinking about that too. There are now too many morons, whit ironic comments, contradicting themselves all time. They pretend (or don’t really) not understanding very simple things about the franchise, or general logic. So tiring…

    • January 22, 2018 at 3:28 am
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      Agreed, at least as consultant.

      • January 22, 2018 at 4:29 pm
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        He does consult when they have questions.

        • January 22, 2018 at 6:07 pm
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          Really? I thought they wanted nothing to do with him

          • January 22, 2018 at 6:11 pm
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            No, he was on set for ROGUE ONE and gave some tangible input. He’s also said when they have questions about how the world works – like how the technology or the Force behave – he has all those answers for them.

            He’s not involved on a regular basis or anything, but he’s also not been totally ostracized.

          • January 23, 2018 at 1:02 am
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            Good try. He visited the set once = he was on set.

          • January 23, 2018 at 1:29 am
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            He was, he gave pointers on design elements. I didn’t say it was a prolonged engagement, but please continue to interpret in bad faith.

          • January 23, 2018 at 4:31 am
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            My friend, I’m just being more realistic about it. He really wasn’t there to help developing the movie. Just because he visited the set, pointed at one helmet he likes or two or free pictures of designs doesn’t make him involved and it doesn’t improve the story or the movie in any way. That was a private visit. Should he be involved in the process of the new Disney movies not only he wouldn’t negate it several times, but Disney would advertize it to the four winds. the truth is he has nothing to do with new era SW. Not bad faith, just the truth.

          • January 23, 2018 at 4:35 am
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            They certainly wouldn’t, after the Prequels. Lucas was absolutely toxic to the public brand. They’re still following the rough outline of his story, amending it as any outline will be as it moves from treatment to script to screen. Anyone remotely involved in modern Star Wars says they’re still telling his story.

    • January 22, 2018 at 3:38 am
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      Fortunately, neither will happen.

    • January 22, 2018 at 7:01 am
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      Its official fan made movies now that the creator is gone. I wish he’d create more but its not going to happen. : ( So I try to enjoy what we have.

    • January 22, 2018 at 12:51 pm
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      If they can Hype it enough they will bring on Lucas as an advisor, but only as a away to make $$$$

    • January 22, 2018 at 12:51 pm
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      If they can Hype it enough they will bring on Lucas as an advisor, but only as a away to make $$$$

  • January 22, 2018 at 3:57 am
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    So the Jedi path book and perhaps the book of Sith is now canon because it on Rian’s shelf? FFS make up your mind to what is and isnt canon!!

    • January 22, 2018 at 1:24 pm
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      Lucasfilm can bring things, elements, from Legends to Canon at their discretion. It was stated multiple times. Example: THRAWN. Mandalorian/Jedi Wars.

      • January 23, 2018 at 3:03 am
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        I dont know why people dont get this. Otherwise Lucasfilm can only do something that has always been shown/written in canon content. No new ideas allowed. Kinda depresses me where Star Wars fandom has gone where everything must be previously described to fans. I saw a video that complained that Rian showing this in the book is perfect of not showing, but telling and that is no no in movie making. Really we need a descriptive segment in a Star Wars movie before any Force power is unveiled. I dont remember some explanation about the Emperors Force lightning. Hell did we ever get explanations for Jedi Mind Tricks? Force push? Force running? Jumping? Anything?

        • January 23, 2018 at 1:24 pm
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          Yup. They can’t accept a simple thing as Leia pulling herself back in space (zero gravity, vaccuum, no air resistance), but can take a person jumping 2 metters, lightning from hands, freezing others, etc…

          Funny that Ep 7 brought new powers, and, surprise, no child’s cry.

  • January 22, 2018 at 4:11 am
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    Some of you need to pay closer attention. In AOTC, the fact that the Force was shifting out of balance was affecting the Jedi’s ability to use the Force (“I think it is time we informed the Senate that our ability to use the Force has diminished”). By the end of ROTS, the Force was “left in darkness.” At the end of ROTJ the Force is brought back into balance, a balance that persists into TLJ (said literally in the film). Logically, therefore, we should expect to see much greater Jedi Force powers than what we saw in Eps. 1 through 6.

      • January 22, 2018 at 10:13 am
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        … and?

        • January 22, 2018 at 6:09 pm
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          …and what? I agree with you. The Jedi’s ability to use the Force was diminished in the prequels and “left in darkness” as you said. And not only was the Force brought back into balance after RotJ, but with Episode 7 there is an “awakening” of the Force. It seems like the Force is calling on a new generation of Force sensitive people to change the galaxy, demonstrated in characters like Rey and Temiri Blagg. Another thing to consider is the power Yoda demonstrated as a Force ghost. I agree that we should expect to see much greater Jedi Force powers than what we saw in Eps. 1 through 6.

    • January 22, 2018 at 9:10 am
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      I think there was no balance at the end of ROTJ – only light. Balance is dark and light in equal portions. Ren and Rey. Yin and Yang.

      I would say that between ROTJ and TLJ, Snoke could rise and Kylo be corrupted, because of Luke’s existence, him growing stronger, and training more Jedi.

      This is surely the main reason he disconnected and hid on the island. He understood the futility of being “good” when it was not him that is capable of bringing balance with Ben.

      • January 22, 2018 at 9:30 am
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        “I think there was no balance at the end of ROTJ”
        Well, then you’d be wrong, according to the storyteller himself.

        After ROTJ, the Force is in balance. As indicated multiple times in the movies themselves.

        • January 22, 2018 at 9:50 am
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          How is only light in balance? Unless Snoke is hanging out somewhere.

          Can be that the story teller himself created a glaring plot hole between his prequel and original story.

          • January 22, 2018 at 10:12 am
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            “How is only light in balance?”

            “Only Light”? Were you not paying attention!? Balance is balance. It’s not difficult.

            “Can be that the story teller himself created a glaring plot hole between his prequel and original story.”

            No, considering there isn’t any such “glaring plot hole.” Can it be, instead, that you just did not understand the (very simple) story that was being told? Seems more likely to me. It really shouldn’t be that difficult.

          • January 22, 2018 at 10:19 am
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            Your lack of explanation is most reassuring.

          • January 22, 2018 at 10:32 am
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            Sorry. I’m not sure what you’re getting at.

        • January 22, 2018 at 11:30 am
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          I think you can over-analyse it. There are lots of writers involved in star wars and some things are going to conflict.

          I always thought the balance was portrayed on screen this way- we know there were only ever 2 sith, vader reduced the amount of jedi to 2 so ‘brought balance to the force’ as per the prophecy. In the sequel trilogy balance might mean something else because different dudes are writing it. I’m not sure it really matters, I don’t think we need an explanation for everything. I just like to watch the movies and enjoy them for what they are.

  • January 22, 2018 at 7:23 am
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    Less is more when it comes to Force abilities.

    Which should have been limited in scope to the powers seen in the original trilogy.

    Mind tricks, levitating objects, feats of agility, telepathy, and visions of the future.

    But these weren’t good enough, Ruin Johnson had to turn the Force dial to 11 and include flying through space and projecting oneself across the galaxy.

    Both of which added nothing to the film, and only detracted from it.

    • January 22, 2018 at 8:03 am
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      Totally agree, it started to get a bit silly in TLJ.There’s enough Force stuff to explore already, stop inventing over the top powers to dig the plot out of a tricky situation.

      • January 22, 2018 at 11:24 am
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        I don’t know… I think there has to be some new stuff along the way. The force would be a bit boring if it was always just about force lightning/levitation/mind tricks.

        That said, Leia surviving in the vacuum of space felt a little bit of a stretch to me, and my first thought when the door opened was that Poe etc should’ve all been blown out into space at that moment. I do however not care much about these force powers etc because I think part of enjoying star wars is not taking it too seriously. I think the people that hate most the star wars movies do so because they take it way to seriously.

        • January 22, 2018 at 12:49 pm
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          it is the opposite, the Disneybois are the ones who are accepting this crap, not the true fans

          • January 22, 2018 at 12:53 pm
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            Are you like 10? You need to come up with a childish label for people who like the new star wars movies, and then go on to say they are not ‘true fans’? If you’re not an adolescent, then it’s the dumbest comment I’ve read on this forum.

          • January 22, 2018 at 12:57 pm
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            Haha thanks but you give me too much credit.. I didn’t make up the word, just putting it into context
            Simply pointing out how stupid it sounds to say one is or is not a fan

          • January 22, 2018 at 4:04 pm
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            The true fans are the ones who sees how this all makes sense. The fake ass fans do not.

          • January 22, 2018 at 7:12 pm
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            @Chris, @disqus_Uo3xsRHsdO:disqus – Hang on. What about those of us that are more on the fence about this flick?, Are we “true fans” or just stuck in limbo?
            Fandom is so confusing 🙁

          • January 22, 2018 at 8:05 pm
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            You are free to dislike it all you like as long as you don’t dislike it because of the women haha. Then you lose all credibility is all.

            And understanding the things done in the movie is easy if you actually follow Star Wars.

          • January 22, 2018 at 8:20 pm
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            The women and race thing is of course a completely vacuous reason for disliking the film.

            But joking aside I have read a number of convincing arguments (extremists on both sides aside) for and against this new instalment. Both have equally valid arguments and both are from very passionate, *true* Star Wars fans.

          • January 22, 2018 at 8:27 pm
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            And that’s fine. I have no issue with people disliking it but I often see misunderstandings about the movie that go along with it. Not always, but often.

        • January 22, 2018 at 1:38 pm
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          Who said that all the force powers were shown in the 7 preceding films. To that regard, Ep 7 showed some new ones, and ooh, no complains.

        • January 22, 2018 at 2:59 pm
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          Have seen TLJ 5 times now. I you pay attention strong enough you see that Leia 1st floats through outer doors before arriving to the inner door that Poe opens. So the outer door was shut first.

          • January 23, 2018 at 12:58 am
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            When? By whoom? Where’s that door?

          • January 23, 2018 at 2:58 am
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            When she is floating right after she goes the hologram of Supremacy you will see she enters a hallway with an open door to get to the door that is closed. Just watch it. So to let her in the shut one door before opening the other.

    • January 22, 2018 at 10:44 am
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      Flying through space has precedence in Star Wars Rebels. And why would someone not be able to pull him/herself toward a spaceship in 0G but would be able to raise an X-Wing from the swamp?

      • January 22, 2018 at 1:22 pm
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        To propel through space, we only need a VERY MINIMAL impulse. It’s vacuum, no air resistance. She just pulled herself, a very simple thing. I really can’t understand why all the fuss with Leia in that moment.

    • January 22, 2018 at 11:30 am
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      Wrong. The Force, in the sequel trilog, is now in balance–something we haven’t seen before in Eps. 1-6. So any Jedi’s ability should be *greater in scope* than we’ve seen in any of the 1-6 movies. Any true Star Wars fan would understand this
      “I think It is time we informed the Senate that our ability to use the Force has diminished.”

    • January 22, 2018 at 4:03 pm
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      How is flying through space different than a force leap that Obi-Wan does? It’s not flying. It’s pulling. Learn Star Wars, fake fan.

    • January 22, 2018 at 4:26 pm
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      Literally every Star Wars movie adds new Force abilities except ROGUE ONE.

      • January 23, 2018 at 12:56 am
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        What? The blind man with the stick and the stormtroopers? That doesn’t count???

        • January 23, 2018 at 1:29 am
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          I guess Chirrut didn’t actively use the Force, but you’re right, the Force acting through its faithful was a new interpretation.

  • January 22, 2018 at 9:00 am
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    Choosing Kathleen Kennedy as his successor is the best decision Lucas has made with Star Wars in at least thirty years. I’m so glad this franchise is finally back on track.

  • January 22, 2018 at 10:45 am
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    Wondering whether the book also mentions whether all Jedi died from after this Force power?

    • January 22, 2018 at 1:33 pm
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      Luke used the power in a monumental magnitude. Imagine now that you’re a runner. You someday must run a distance of (edit) 500 km. The effort would take all of you, right?

      • January 22, 2018 at 2:03 pm
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        That’s only like 1.25 miles.
        So yes, most of the people on here would die.

        • January 22, 2018 at 2:04 pm
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          haha, I don’t have a real notion of that things, but I think I made my point. I will retcon my comment.

          • January 22, 2018 at 3:07 pm
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            I liked your original comment more. You special edition ruined it.

          • January 22, 2018 at 3:22 pm
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            Ahahahaha

        • January 22, 2018 at 2:04 pm
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          it tough running that far with a bag of cheetos

          • January 22, 2018 at 6:44 pm
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            Mature.

        • January 22, 2018 at 3:07 pm
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          The effort to reach my mailbox is real! 😛

          • January 22, 2018 at 7:14 pm
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            Run Barry!!

      • January 22, 2018 at 2:36 pm
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        it’s setup in the movie too Kylo says “your not doing this the effort would kill you” but no one mentions that

        • January 22, 2018 at 2:40 pm
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          Yes, it is. And makes perfect sense.

        • January 23, 2018 at 12:54 am
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          I almost expected Kylo turn to us the audience just before “the efford would kill you”…..like “it’s salt”. I’m sorry, I havee to admit I laughed a lot, just probably not the right moments….

  • January 22, 2018 at 12:34 pm
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    Just want to take a minute to thanks Rian Johnson for his destruction of the Star Wars brand, some may say it started from the Disney beginning.
    BUT I just scored a Black Series Luke and Landspeeder for 4.99 at Walmart, great toy, but not going to lay out 80 bucks for it.
    Still not spending the 1.99 for rose or paige figs, they will have to pay me

    • January 22, 2018 at 12:37 pm
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      and I should add that all those at the Force Friday events, Im sorry if you were counting on any investment value in Last Jedi merchandise, sell now before the bottom completely falls out

    • January 22, 2018 at 6:26 pm
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      No one gives a shit what toys you are buying…

  • January 22, 2018 at 12:39 pm
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    Where did you get the information that Luke did not have a targeting computer back home? From watching the movies?

  • January 22, 2018 at 1:11 pm
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    “You can find good conversation and criticism of Star Wars online, but you have to wade through the small number of very loud, very angry and often very male “fans” who try to spread the message that Star Wars is ruined due to its inclusion of actors and characters who aren’t also straight, white males.

    The ton of their complaints betrays how angry and out of control they feel now that their favorite movie series no longer caters to them exclusively. They want the past back, just like a certain other angry white guy who is portrayed as a somewhat pathetic figure in the films.”

    https://www.polygon.com/2018/1/17/16901340/star-wars-last-jedi-fan-controversy-rotten-tomatoes

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3adbd49037cfda384e0bdfadf357964ba5676ac3dfbe1860426608eb51f63f7a.gif

    • January 22, 2018 at 1:12 pm
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      Interesting article, he begins by pointing out the flaws in the film, and then proceeds to call anyone who didn’t like it Racist and Sexist. hmm, is he a racist, or sexist because he notes the problems with the movie?

      • January 22, 2018 at 1:14 pm
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        “But the real backlash, the nasty, immature one, is much smaller than the online noise would have you believe.”

        So true.

        • January 22, 2018 at 1:17 pm
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          Tell that to somebody at Disney, and maybe they will cancel the Rian Johnson explanation tour

          • January 22, 2018 at 1:21 pm
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            “And there’s little evidence that this backlash extended through the fandom or even hurt the movie at the box office. The Last Jedi is the second most successful Star Wars movie in the United States, behind The Force Awakens.

            You can argue about numbers not being adjusted for inflation or the different, streaming world we’re in now and how it impacts these numbers … but in the end it’s clear that The Last Jedi is doing very well for itself financially. There was no boycott that caught on, nor did fans stay away based on the attempts of trolls to spoil the word of mouth.”

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/af06657883c04d0fb66d98160bc5444ff17fd64a1b6a39c356be8c703d93c205.gif

          • January 22, 2018 at 2:03 pm
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            jumping the shark
            nuking the fridge
            spacing the leia
            iconic terms for when a franchise as lost its way

          • January 22, 2018 at 2:03 pm
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            jumping the shark
            nuking the fridge
            spacing the leia
            iconic terms for when a franchise as lost its way

          • January 22, 2018 at 4:02 pm
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            “Lying like Chris” is one now, too.

          • January 22, 2018 at 6:52 pm
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            1.3. billion reasons why you’re wrong!

          • January 22, 2018 at 7:25 pm
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            person A says there no evidence in declining viewership. person B shows contrary evidence. person A sticks fingers in ears and ignores the evidence. great job.

          • January 23, 2018 at 6:33 pm
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            Multiple releases of a film skewers that list.

            A New Hope (41 years old) has been released so many times, both in its original format and the special editions.

          • January 23, 2018 at 7:37 pm
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            Indeed.In 1982 I went to see ESB consecutively for a week.It was 50p a time.lol.Thats £1.20 in todays money.It was £10 for Me to see TFA.that would be £3.70 in 1982.

          • January 23, 2018 at 7:52 pm
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            That’s really interesting, and yet Gone with the Wind tops the list. You’d be talking shillings to gain entry to see that movie back in the thirties. Anyway, the list is compiled by tickets sold. Hence why older movies, fare way better than newer ones. They have longer cinema run times and multiple releases. They also didn’t have home entertainment to compete with.

            Like I said, it’s not really a fair comparison.

          • January 23, 2018 at 8:07 pm
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            God bless the VCR. 🙂 .

          • January 23, 2018 at 8:12 pm
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            My family had Betamax to begin with. It was shite.

            The video store attendants always laughed at me whenever I asked if they stocked a title on Betamax.

            It was brutal.

          • January 22, 2018 at 4:02 pm
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            We are telling that to you, liar.

      • January 22, 2018 at 4:02 pm
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        No, he doesn’t. You are a liar.

    • January 22, 2018 at 1:20 pm
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      I’m always very wary of pointing fingers at racism and sexism when dealing with criticism of the film because it’s something that has been abused of before (Sony/Ghostbusters).

      That being said, it’s really disheartening to see some self-described fans focus on the gender of the protagonists when dissing this film just because they don’t like the general direction the story is taking, especially when neither Lucasfilm nor the film itself does so.

      • January 22, 2018 at 1:23 pm
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        I didn’t realize this is thing now, just outright call people sexist and racist because they think the film is shit.
        You are 100% right about how it worked so well for Ghostbusters

        • January 22, 2018 at 1:29 pm
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          Just to clarify, you may not be racist or sexist in your criticism of the film, but there are definitely a few who have been here on this site. I think they should be called out, as long as everyone steers clear of broad brushstrokes.

          • January 22, 2018 at 1:32 pm
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            I’m just referring to the article posted above, where the author makes that outright claim

          • January 22, 2018 at 2:33 pm
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            Personally, I agree with the general gist of the article but I wouldn’t say all irrational ranting against the film has the sexist and racist undercurrent, just quite a bit of it. Maybe the author has gone through different sites and seen otherwise.

          • January 22, 2018 at 3:02 pm
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            As someone who didn’t like TLJ… I can say it’s an uneasy feeling because of the crowd it lumps me in. I’ve seen PLENTY of people on this site and others who target the gender.

            I always say… out of all the problems I think TLJ has. None of them have to do with the gender. The mental gymnastics people go to in trying to blame gender is amazing to me.

            A bad or useless plotline is just that. What does gender have to do with it? Swap every gender right now in the OT and it’d still be a great trilogy. It out right sucks you have to argue around these idiots.

          • January 22, 2018 at 3:02 pm
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            As someone who didn’t like TLJ… I can say it’s an uneasy feeling because of the crowd it lumps me in. I’ve seen PLENTY of people on this site and others who target the gender.

            I always say… out of all the problems I think TLJ has. None of them have to do with the gender. The mental gymnastics people go to in trying to blame gender is amazing to me.

            A bad or useless plotline is just that. What does gender have to do with it? Swap every gender right now in the OT and it’d still be a great trilogy. It out right sucks you have to argue around these idiots.

          • January 22, 2018 at 8:46 pm
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            But he says exactly as you say, that it is a minority among the people that disliked the movie. He don’t generalize.

          • January 23, 2018 at 9:10 am
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            Then maybe people aren’t really reading the article as well as they could. A real shocker, that.

          • January 22, 2018 at 4:01 pm
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            “You can find good conversation and criticism of Star Wars online, but you have to wade through the small number of very loud, very angry and often very male “fans” who try to spread the message that Star Wars is ruined due to its inclusion of actors and characters who aren’t also straight, white males.”

            Reading is fundamental. He says no such thing.

            “And this is a small number of fans trying to create the illusion of a much larger, much larger “backlash” than anything that exists in reality.”

            “You can dislike the movie, because there’s plenty to dislike.”

            Wow, you didn’t read anything did you, Chris?

        • January 22, 2018 at 3:58 pm
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          No, I go based off what they say.

    • January 22, 2018 at 1:42 pm
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      I always liked conan obrien

    • January 22, 2018 at 3:50 pm
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      “…their favorite movie series no longer caters to them exclusively.”

      It never did. People act as though there were no persons of color in Star Wars until Finn. Lando is one of only two characters who actually blew up a Death Star (and with a co-pilot that looked like an upright halibut). With respect to females, Mon Mothma was clearly portrayed as someone who held great authority, and Leia was hardly a traditional damsel in distress and saved Han’s life more than a few times.

      People can’t defend TLJ so they have to resort to name-calling and ad hominem attacks.

      It’s also funny, where was this army of racist/sexist fanboys when Rogue One came out? Why were they largely silent when we had a Star Wars movie with a female lead, a Hispanic co-star, a Pakistani rapper, Asian characters, and Forest Whitaker in a major role? Where one white male lead was hidden beneath CGI and the other was a villain?

      Rogue One was a decent movie — hence the muted criticism.

      The Last Jedi was not, and certainly wouldn’t be improved by changing the colors and genders of the cast.

      • January 22, 2018 at 4:06 pm
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        He’s not wrong though. He even said very small, very loud. I mean that is true. I see it everywhere. It was the longest lasting complaint about TFA. Rey basically being a girl.

        He’s saying there are legitimate debates to be had but you have to “wade through” the jerks derailing it into gender/race bashing.

        It’s not the entirety of the backlash at all. I’ve made the same point you have. It didn’t happen in R1 or TFA to this extent. There’s no denying TLJ was divisive… just as there is no denying sexism and racism is a small part of it.

        • January 22, 2018 at 4:58 pm
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          You’re right, I read the article and generally don’t have a problem with it. It’s mainly the part I quoted that rubbed me the wrong way.

        • January 22, 2018 at 7:31 pm
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          very small part of it. trying to derail the debate by playing the race card is a cheap trick and a sign that people have lost the plot of the argument.

          • January 22, 2018 at 8:06 pm
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            User reviews are a meaningless metric and always have been because anyone can say anything. Shrug.

          • January 22, 2018 at 8:27 pm
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            Then what was with all the bellyaching about “bots” skewing the Tomatometer user ratings against TLJ?

            At least it is a metric.

            Which is more than can be said to a link to an article in Wired about fringe players who clearly had no impact on Rogue One reviews or box office.

          • January 22, 2018 at 8:29 pm
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            Usually people with a negative opinion feels more inclined to express it.

          • January 22, 2018 at 8:29 pm
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            Usually people with a negative opinion feels more inclined to express it.

          • January 22, 2018 at 8:40 pm
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            Again, why so few people with negative opinions about Rogue One?

          • January 22, 2018 at 8:44 pm
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            Because Rogue One is a movie with less challenging concepts, less expectations and less fan theories behind it. It nuances are easier to grasp.

            I am not talking about quality here, loved both movies, but for some different reasons.

          • January 22, 2018 at 8:13 pm
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            you’ll get the standard response of user reviews being useless…

          • January 22, 2018 at 8:15 pm
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            response you get is of course from a left leaning article blaming everything on the white guy

          • January 22, 2018 at 8:57 pm
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            A good movie is a good movie, no matter who’s the lead

      • January 22, 2018 at 8:07 pm
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        One black dude, one scene with Mon Mothma and Leia literally gets rescued in the first movie.

        • January 22, 2018 at 8:43 pm
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          Leia pretty much rescues everybody at one point or another in OT.

          In ANH during this sexist rescue, she takes Luke’s blaster and engages stormtroopers. He doesn’t even mansplain how to use it.

          Maybe we are due for new Original Trilogy Safe Space Editions. We could fix all the blatant sexism and racism on display.

    • January 22, 2018 at 3:58 pm
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      Good points, but Kylo wants to kill the past. He doesn’t want it back. That’s Ben Kuchera for you!

      Other than that, yes. Ignore these babies.

    • January 22, 2018 at 4:51 pm
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      TFA & R1 were great movies and Rey is my favourite character by far. It’s really irritating that these bigoted morons are distracting from those of us with legitimate issues with TLJ that has nothing to do with race or sex!

    • January 22, 2018 at 5:44 pm
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      The pitfall with that being, apart from trying to tie a very silly fan edit to “MRAs”, and this is from the perspective of someone who generally liked TLJ, is that often I’ve seen on this site and others conversations that go something along the lines of “I don’t like the movie because Rey is overpowered with no explanation. Also, I thought Rose was useless.” “YOU’RE A SEXIST, RACIST HATER!!!!!! LOLOLOLOL – I DON’T HAVE TO LISTEN TO YOU!!!!”. It’s one thing to refuse to engage with the astronomically tiny percentage of criticism that is based on bigotry, it’s quite another to slap those labels on anything you just don’t agree with.

  • January 22, 2018 at 5:07 pm
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    A film in constant defense of nearly everything in it…If you didn’t like it, you’re called racist, sexist, fan-boy, crybaby or it was too smart for some viewers. How about just face it, some people just don’t like it because it wasn’t a good movie in their opinion and deserves some pie thrown at it.

    -weak minded depressed Luke!!! And then when you find out why…ridiculous!
    -no other Luke students?
    -absent force ghost(yoda, Obi-wan, Anankin) for 30 years that would have helped Luke, and with Yoda’s use of power it is shown that they can interact with the physical
    -starlord Leia
    -lightspeed kamikaze that could have been used the whole time???
    -GAS for the ships?????
    – Snoke’s mastery but lack of sense when force being used next to him?
    -Rey (Mary Sue) continues with powers that should be beyond her
    -relentless humor that just fell flat
    -All of Luke’s actions (from redeeming baddest ass Sith Lord to wanting to kill a young Ben)
    -only 15 to 20 in resistance????
    -complete throw away characters and sub plots (Finn-Rose)
    -Rey, Snoke…history, connections to Saga just thrown out
    -BB-8???can now do anything????
    -entire Canto Bight debacle,
    -lack of cohesive story with TFA…and even further removed from original 6 movies.

    Could just go on for hours…..

    As time passes this film will be seen in a more negative light than it is now from fans, not critics. It has too many legitimate problems, no matter what spin Lucasfilm, Disney and it’s employees that post here like to say.

  • January 22, 2018 at 5:07 pm
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    A film in constant defense of nearly everything in it…If you didn’t like it, you’re called racist, sexist, fan-boy, crybaby or it was too smart for some viewers. How about just face it, some people just don’t like it because it wasn’t a good movie in their opinion and deserves some pie thrown at it.

    -weak minded depressed Luke!!! And then when you find out why…ridiculous!
    -no other Luke students?
    -absent force ghost(yoda, Obi-wan, Anankin) for 30 years that would have helped Luke, and with Yoda’s use of power it is shown that they can interact with the physical
    -starlord Leia
    -lightspeed kamikaze that could have been used the whole time???
    -GAS for the ships?????
    – Snoke’s mastery but lack of sense when force being used next to him?
    -Rey (Mary Sue) continues with powers that should be beyond her
    -relentless humor that just fell flat
    -All of Luke’s actions (from redeeming baddest ass Sith Lord to wanting to kill a young Ben)
    -only 15 to 20 in resistance????
    -complete throw away characters and sub plots (Finn-Rose)
    -Rey, Snoke…history, connections to Saga just thrown out
    -BB-8???can now do anything????
    -entire Canto Bight debacle,
    -lack of cohesive story with TFA…and even further removed from original 6 movies.

    Could just go on for hours…..

    As time passes this film will be seen in a more negative light than it is now from fans, not critics. It has too many legitimate problems, no matter what spin Lucasfilm, Disney and it’s employees that post here like to say.

    • January 22, 2018 at 6:02 pm
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      This is why you all are being attacked. Your criticisms make no sense. As if you didn’t watch the movie. You undermine your opinion when you make a statement like “Rey, Snoke…history, connections to Saga just thrown out” Where was it ever stated in TFA that either of these characters have existing connections to the saga? Filmmakers are not obliged to address question you made up in your own mind.

      -Luke can’t be depressed? What sort of story arch is he supposed to have? Is he more heroic if he was of sound mind for the past five years and could have helped the Resistance and he simply chose not to? Additionally, how boring is Luke if he’s the same man we last saw 34 years ago? If you’re not old enough to have suffered set backs and become bitter and depressed don’t worry, it’s coming.

      -“no other Luke students?” What does this mean? He had a dozen students, Kylo killed half of them and took off with the other half. What part of this is confusing? In what way is this a negative point?

      -Ships run on fuel. It’s well established in canon. What is strange about this to you? Did you think they were perpetual motion machines?

      -I would think one reserves destroying thier capital ship only when there is no other option. Doesn’t seem odd to me that this isn’t a regular occurrence.

      -So you’re saying Snoke’s over confidence blinded him to the fact that his apprentice would kill him the same way Palpatine didn’t foresee that he was about to be thrown down a hole?

      -When was it established that a powerful force user couldn’t pick up skills quickly? Wait, didn’t Luke take his first step into a larger world aboard the Falcon and then an hour later he’s using the force to make a shot that trained X-Wing pilots using computers couldn’t make? Maybe that was just his Womp Rat training.

      – So you’re forgetting that Luke almost killed Vader on the second Death Star before realizing what he was doing was wrong. He also attempted to strike down the Emperor in anger. Totally no precedence for his behavior with Ben.

      Just because you didn’t like the movie doesn’t mean it’s bad and it doesn’t mean you have to stretch so far to find issues with it. I DO NOT like Captain America: Civil War. I simply think it’s uninteresting but I don’t twist myself into a pretzel trying to pick it apart to justify my opinion. I can say objectively that it was a well made film and my personal opinion about it can still be negative.

      • January 22, 2018 at 6:30 pm
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        I stated my opinion and my reasons for disliking it. You don’t have to agree with me. But they are very valid.

        OK….

        -Luke would never have gotten to this point with the help from ghost Yoda, Obi-Wan and Anakin. Also, Luke is no normal human. He is a Grand Master of the Jedi AND is not likely to get to this point. They could have done a thousand more heroic things with Luke besides have him as a depressed old master.
        -In 30+ years, he had a dozen young students? That’s all? What happened to training Leia as they discussed about her learning about the ways of the force in ROTJ? As a Master with ghost masters around, he couldn’t sense Kylo’s issues and deal with it before it got to that point. Wouldn’t the ghost assist in training?
        -Fuel has never once been used like this in a SW movie. EVER! The entire fleet is setting around with no gas??? C’mon, they were a military faction. Do you really think they would not have fuel?
        -If you could take out the entire FO fleet by sacrificing just one ship…that’s a no brainer. You would wipe them out in no time and have them on the run. That is why this is so weak!
        -Palpatine was electrocuting Vader as he was being man-handled. Sensing force uses is much different and Snoke was not in the middle of a battle or using force lighting when Ren did this. Snoke was played up to be more powerful than Sidious and gets punked by a emo Ren? That reasoning destroys everything they had you believing Snoke was.
        -Luke’s progression in the force is no where near what Rey has learned to do. Luke could sense a target…not use mind tricks, battle a so-called well trained dark side user with a lightsaber and lift a entire avalanche from a cave exit.
        -He didn’t almost kill Vader. He beat him, in battle and after cutting off Vaders hand…he quickly stopped his attack and discarded his saber. With Ben, he had force ghost at his disposal, had 30 years to master his emotion, and the thought of murdering your young nephew while sleeping is much different than fighting the 2 most powerful dark side users in the galaxy. So, yes…no precedence.

        And yes, I can say that this film was filmed beautifully and still be completely negative about all the story issues that it has. I’m not bent into a pretzel. But deeply disappointed and hurt just a little that they missed good opportunities.

        • January 22, 2018 at 6:35 pm
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          —He didn’t almost kill Vader. He beat him, in battle and after cutting off Vaders hand…he quickly stopped his attack and discarded his saber. —

          Watch that scene again. He didn’t quickly stop his attack. He had a realization that he could become Vader. He realized he had tapped into the Dark Side during the battle to take Vader down, and that if he killed him, the Emperor would have been right all along. He decided to throw away his saber because he rejected the Dark.

          Luke was ALWAYS a flawed character. He was always impulsive, and quick to action. Personality flaws are what makes people human. You can’t have perfect characters or shit gets boring.

          • January 22, 2018 at 6:48 pm
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            He was not a FLAWED character…I agree that he was quick to act, but that was out of heroism, not ignorance or because he was flawed.

            Yes, he paused in that scene to reflect that he could succumb to be like his father. But only momentarily after an intense battle with 2 of the baddest of the bad. So, it is not comparable with his actions against Ben Solo.

          • January 22, 2018 at 7:09 pm
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            Of course it is comparable. It’s not about against who he raised the saber, is about HIM raising the saber. In both circunstances, the temptation of the Dark Side was in strong motion. In both cases he didn’t really needed to do that, but he did (the difference in that he lowered it faster against Ben for obvious reasons).

            In ROJ he could have turned Vader without fighting him. It was his suffering in the hands of the Emperor (who would always torture Luke) that turned Vader to the Light. Not choping his hand.

          • January 22, 2018 at 7:14 pm
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            not even a close comparison. Luke’s mercy of his father, an emotional card which triggered Vader’s response once Palps was hitting Luke with lightening turned Vader. Luke had felt the conflict and played that card.

          • January 22, 2018 at 7:24 pm
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            And he lashing out against Vader was a thing he was proud of, or something he soon refrained? LIKE HE REFRAINED TO STRIKE DOWN BEN?

            I think we are talking about different things. For my understanding, the temptation to the dark side in Luke was in the strongest in that two oportunites. In ROJ he started even before, when he tried to kill a unarmed Palpatine (cronologicaly repeating the act that moved Anakin to strike Windu). Something strange to the type of person Luke was, something he recognized as not his way of resolving things. Even in the end of his life.

            And look, i am not implying that Luke is a pacifist. He is a soldier, but he fights when it is needed, not by provocation, or impulses.

          • January 22, 2018 at 7:36 pm
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            Luke was scared that he could go dark just by fighting Vader and being seduced by the Emperor. No doubt! He had to fight and won and then stopped from going in for the kill after reflection of the consequences it would bring.

            His impulse on Ben Solo was so out of place for a Jedi Master that has had 30 plus years to learn how to deal with these types of problems of control.

          • January 22, 2018 at 7:45 pm
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            Man, he was HUMAN. He had FEARS, his personal traumas too. He said in the movie more than 1 time, how he feared that the Dark Side could rose again because of the arrogance of the Jedi, the ideia that he could resolve everything with a saber in hand (that’s the reason he dismiss the saber Rey gives to him).

            He felt an overwhelming turmoil of dark force in Ben, and his trauma of the Civil War era aroused again. Simple as that. Or you think that so many years of fighting don’t leave a mark in a soldier, who lost people, who spent so much time in the stress of combat, all of this because an old man fooled everyone and seduced his father? the trauma, the fears, came again in full force (pun intended) when he felt that in Ben. When he feels the Force in Rey, remember what he says. The difference now is that Rey carries strong Light Force.

          • January 22, 2018 at 7:51 pm
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            You are ignoring one fact. He is no simple HUMAN. He is a Jedi Grand Master with all the resources of a 900 year force ghost that can teach him the lessons of the past. None of this would have happened. It is a glaring fail in the movie to ignore the Jedi Ghost and in nine they will bring Luke back as one to train Rey???

          • January 22, 2018 at 7:59 pm
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            Could but didn’t. It is not a precise science. The force ghosts don’t need to show up to resolve every single conflict. There is no rule, is supernatural things. You are talking about what you wanted to happen. Then so, Qui-Gon could show up to tell Kenobi that Palps was Sidious, and so on. it’s not how it works.

            And, after the tragedy, when Luke was isolated in Ahch-to, he cut himself of the Force. That’s why no one could find him. I presume no force ghost would commune with him in that situation…

            When I say human, is because EVERYONE is. Everyone have flaws and strong points. Snoke, powerful as he was, had the flaw of various villains in SW: arrogance. One moment he lowered his guard in hubris, Kylo acted. Man, even the Superman from DC has flaws as a person. Stop idealizing Luke so much. Yes, he was a hero, no one said other thing. But heroes are flawed too, they too commit mistakes, they lose sometimes, even lose themselves. Shit happens.

            The contrary of flawed is perfect. the contrary of hero is villain. Don’t make confusion.

          • January 22, 2018 at 8:08 pm
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            The problem is that they are not being consistent with their use of them(ghost) or the use of the canon that they are establishing.

            Yes, I idolize Luke because they MADE him the hero in the past. We all idolize these made up characters because they hold up to ideals that us normal people cannot. And to take that away from Luke (or the Hero they made for us fans) was to knock his character down. That’s the whole point of the Star Wars…to give us something we don’t have all around us. All of these new movies are all about if they can make the hero more human then it makes it better. That’s just a fad…and I think or thought that Star Wars was better than that.

            I’m not confused, I’m very clear on what they have given us.

          • January 22, 2018 at 8:18 pm
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            About the force ghosts, if we go the way you think, it’s a Deus Ex Machina: a force ghost, as it have no limits, could tell Like where Snoke is, his plans, etc. Even if Snoke blocked his presence, the First Order must go fullfil his plans, so, spy Yoda… See? That storytelling element of force ghosts must be used with caution, to tell the story needed. Not to solve every problem, like you proposed.

            And about Luke, for me he is the hero he always was. He did things that for real, you and me will never do. He had abilities that we can’t have either, of course. But, as us, he was human, Had fears, passions, dreams, feelings, doubts etc. It didn’t made him a less hero to me. My conception of a hero is not that god as you see, but as someone who makes extraordinary things, acts of courage and selflessness, but is a tridimensional character too.

            I wasn’t offended the least by Luke’s moment of temptation, I felt even more related to him after that. That idea of a infallible hero is for kids. We know that behind the legend, there is always a man. But the hero is someone that even as someone imperfect, did what he had to. And Luke did, by the end. Reasured his legendary status, becoming even a martyr (from our point of view).

          • January 22, 2018 at 8:22 pm
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            And such is different opinions and perspectives of individuals on viewing the same movie through such different eyes…

            At least you didn’t throw mud like many do! I can respect our differing views at least.

          • January 22, 2018 at 8:24 pm
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            And you criticize with some respect. Is not the “irony machine” we see so much in internet these days.

          • January 23, 2018 at 4:06 pm
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            Dude…I mean…you have every right to say what you want to say, but you’re getting railroaded here. The more you dig your heels in, the worse a case you make.

          • January 23, 2018 at 6:07 pm
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            completely disagree. Railroaded by whom? I’ve seen no responses that answer much of what I post.

          • January 23, 2018 at 3:43 pm
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            Totally agree. Luke is the archetypal hero – check out the link . I got goosebumps and the video helped me to realize why I hated what they did to Luke. jump to 36.07. – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK2-xYyNpYk

          • January 22, 2018 at 8:30 pm
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            Sorry have to agree with cw on this. The fact Luke contemplated striking down a sleeping, unarmed boy who was only contemplating going to the dark side but hadn’t actually turned is pretty twisted! It would also mean Luke hadn’t learnt any of his lessons from the past. Any normal person wouldn’t do this let alone a Jedi master!

          • January 22, 2018 at 8:32 pm
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            Can you prove that? It’s easy to say that in hindsight, but we don’t know all the circunstances, like the sate of mind of Luke in that period, what Snoke were doing (they knew about him already, so his reputation) etc. It’s not so simple as you two implies to be.

            We really need a novel or animated series or other thing to develop that era. I really want to know more.

        • January 22, 2018 at 7:03 pm
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          -DId you walk out at the two hour mark? Luke saves the Resistance in the most heroic Jedi way possible; without using his powers for attack. Luke is redeemed.

          -If you pay attention Luke did a lot of other stuff before establishing his academy. One guy training a new generation of Jedi for the first time. Probably best to take it slow. The last time there was a Jedi academy it didn’t end well. Why do you care how many padawans Luke has? What difference does that make to the story?

          -The entire Jedi Council didn’t foresee the Emperor or Vader. The Dark Side clouds EVERYTHING. Luke answer’s these first two unfounded grips in the movie.

          – You’re right. They should only include things in Star Wars if we’ve already seen it in Star Wars. Actually they could just remake The Force Awakens and cover the bases.

          -I wonder if in the real world troops who were under attack have ever abandoned their base without being fully provisioned. Naaaaahhhh that never happens.

          -I forgot, the United States uses a nuclear weapon every time it’s in armed conflict because it would easily and instantly end every conflict.

          -Not once in TFA or TLJ was it indicated that Snoke was more powerful than Palpatine. In fact he fetishizes Vader; even wearing a ring with volcanic glass from beneath Vader’s castle. The entire First Order from the top down are wannabes.

          -Rey is more powerful than Luke. What’s your point? Luke pretty much says that himself.

          -What is all this made up force ghost nonsense you keep referring to? That’s your story. You made that up. Nowhere is it indicated that Luke sits around playing backgammon with Obi-Wan and Anakin. In fact, when Yoda shows up in TLJ Luke seems not to have seen him for a while. These force ghost have better things to do, dude!

        • January 22, 2018 at 7:03 pm
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          -DId you walk out at the two hour mark? Luke saves the Resistance in the most heroic Jedi way possible; without using his powers for attack. Luke is redeemed.

          -If you pay attention Luke did a lot of other stuff before establishing his academy. One guy training a new generation of Jedi for the first time. Probably best to take it slow. The last time there was a Jedi academy it didn’t end well. Why do you care how many padawans Luke has? What difference does that make to the story?

          -The entire Jedi Council didn’t foresee the Emperor or Vader. The Dark Side clouds EVERYTHING. Luke answer’s these first two unfounded grips in the movie.

          – You’re right. They should only include things in Star Wars if we’ve already seen it in Star Wars. Actually they could just remake The Force Awakens and cover the bases.

          -I wonder if in the real world troops who were under attack have ever abandoned their base without being fully provisioned. Naaaaahhhh that never happens.

          -I forgot, the United States uses a nuclear weapon every time it’s in armed conflict because it would easily and instantly end every conflict.

          -Not once in TFA or TLJ was it indicated that Snoke was more powerful than Palpatine. In fact he fetishizes Vader; even wearing a ring with volcanic glass from beneath Vader’s castle. The entire First Order from the top down are wannabes.

          -Rey is more powerful than Luke. What’s your point? Luke pretty much says that himself.

          -What is all this made up force ghost nonsense you keep referring to? That’s your story. You made that up. Nowhere is it indicated that Luke sits around playing backgammon with Obi-Wan and Anakin. In fact, when Yoda shows up in TLJ Luke seems not to have seen him for a while. These force ghost have better things to do, dude!

          • January 22, 2018 at 7:32 pm
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            -No, watched it fully twice! Luke waits until theirs nonly 15 people left in the resistance to do something??? 30 plus years ago and barely trained he rushed across the galaxy to just save 4 or 5 friends. And now Master of the order does nothing until it’s almost too late…Not Luke.

            -It makes a huge difference in the story. Don’t you think that some padawans might want to come back and help Luke?

            -So the light side clouded Snoke? He is the dark, he would sense other dark side force being used.

            -Fully provisioned….they had just launched an attack on Star Killer base. When has gas ever been used in SW?

            -We are talking Star Wars, not the use of nuclear weapons on Earth. In Star Wars, why not use robots in huge empty ships to take out fleets at lightspeed if this is the precedent they are setting?

            -Andy Serkis stated that he was more powerful and it was alluded to in many interviews with those involved in the films.

            -Where does Rey get this power? Not even the chosen one was this powerful. So we have a new kind of Jedi running around that once the force awakens, they are able to perform every power ever used with no training? Sounds like your telling me she’s a Mary Sue??? Geroge Lucas has said and written that Luke would always be the most powerful Jedi ever. Did Disney discard that as well? Maybe they did, but it still doesn’t explain Rey.

            -Force ghost non-sense…it was used in the movies man, I didn’t make that up. Aren’t the clone wars cartoons canon? Yoda says this is the way that the Jedi will win for all time, through this very specific training. Because it allows them to continually train living users. And you just said the real issue…Disney canon, old canon makes these ghost important. And they just disappear for years while Luke is doing this most important work and then reappear to use crazy power and summon lightening and smack Luke over the head with his stick????? C’mon man. They blew this part and are trying to ignore this point. But, I bet they will bring Luke back to train Rey in 9 AS A GHOST!

          • January 23, 2018 at 12:37 am
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            Why? Being Luke, what would you teach to Rey? She knows everything. Even Yoda said that to him…

          • January 23, 2018 at 6:43 pm
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            I agree with the first part, but that’s NOT what Yoda says. He says there’s nothing in the library that Rey doesn’t already possess. The wording is really important in that line, because it’s literally correct.

    • January 23, 2018 at 11:00 am
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      I like that you gave a list about what you did not like about TLJ. Many comments are just about that whole story did not make sense or there were so many plot holes and it’s hard to reason with that.

      – Why do you think it is ridiculous that Luke is depressed? He saw that Obi Wan created Vader. That the Jedi let the Emperor rise. And that he created Kylo Ren. He was a legend and everyone trusted in him, but he failed them – not even them, but most important his own sister, the only one left of his family.
      – In the old EU, Luke was also wary in training new students (at least in the Thrawn Trilogy). We do not know, how long he has been training Ben and what criteria he had to pick his apprentices. Maybe he also wanted to start with a small group, to learn how to teach.
      – The absence of force ghosts is hard to explain. Did Luke see his (ghost-)father more often? On the other hand, Obi Wan could have sent Luke directly to Yoda, not two/three years later. Maybe Luke disconnected himself from the force and could not see force ghosts? I don’t know, but it is a valid point.
      – Starlord Leia, Leia Spacepoppins: she was pulling herself to the ship. It was a scene that felt odd to me, but after tinkering with what happens to a human being in space, I liked this scene more – and the shot where she wafts through ther hologram of the Supremacy is just beautiful, I think.
      – The hyperkaze could have been used all the time. But even in twenty years of EU with so-and-so-many authors that could extend the universe, none of them has ever thought about this.
      – The energy resource for ships has never been the focus of SW movies, that is correct. It was a new idea that did not feel odd to me, because it seems natural that a ship has to have energy resources.
      – Snoke was just arrogant
      – Rey maybe was still overpowered, but at least Rian tried to show her struggeling, like not resisting the dark side, failing in turning Kylo or bringing back Luke and the way Snoke handles her. But it is still a valid point.
      – Ben was about 25, when Luke wanted to kill him. It was just a moment, a thought that crossed Luke’s mind. He is not a machine, but a hero that had not full control for a single moment and it had extreme bad consequences (that’s why I do not find the reason for depressed Luke ridiculous).
      – 15 to 20 seemed to small for me, too. 30 transporters with about 400 Resistance troups. About 5 or 6 make it to Crait, i.e. 50 to 70 Resistance troops on Crait. The battle would have taken out 30 to 50 of them. That feels like very much, when you see how many of the soldiers survive in the trench.
      – The subplot of Finn is not useless. It shows, how he and Poe fail. It also helps him finding his place in the Universe. Plus it is the main purpose for the battle of Crait. (Plus I like the DJ character :D).
      – The history connection of Snoke and Rey has always been a strange obsession of SW fans- most of the theories did not even make sense.
      – BB8 can do less than R2, I guess. I don’t get, what you are refering to, here.
      – Canto Bight -> see Finn subplot
      – the story felt cohesive with TFA, because all characteers start, where TFA left them and further develop in a way we expect (e.g. Finn becoming a Rebel, Poe becoming a leader). We got a reason for Ben turning and for Luke’s hiding.

      What I liked about TLJ
      – The character development of Finn, Poe, Kylo and Rey
      – Everything in the throne room: Snoke’s death, the fight with the guards, Kylo going even further to the dark and offering his hand to Rey
      – The conflict between General Hux and Kylo
      – Luke on Crait
      – The battle scenes and the ship design of the bombers

      • January 23, 2018 at 6:40 pm
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        Luke “disconected” himself after destruction of the school. Still 25 years with the ghosts.
        There is no reason Ben didn’t show himself to Luke or talk to him the 3 years between Star Wars and Empire.

      • January 23, 2018 at 7:03 pm
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        You give me a bit to digest and respond,,,

        -Luke being depressed is not an attribute to a Grand Jedi Master that has had 30+ years to learn all the ways of the force. Did he have lose and suffer some setbacks, sure. But his training and the teachings that would have been ongoing through Ghost Yoda would have stopped this nonsense.

        -If you only read up through the Thrawn trilogy, then you have many books to catch up on in regards to his training. If you want to use the EU as a source.

        -The Ghost is a tough one as they have painted themselves in a corner in my opinion. In the Clone Wars series, you learn the importance of this training from the whills and that it is this training that will give the Jedi victory for all time as the ghost of the past will be able to keep their consciousness in the force and communicate and help future Jedi. Then we see in the movie that Yoda has been gone for 30 years to just return and use lightening and crack Luke on the head???? Now, money says that Luke will be back in ghost form to train Rey. So ignore them for 30 years and then use them when writing requires it???

        -The Leia scene was just a miss. We all know what they was hoping to capture. But it missed! They should have had her shield herself instinctively with the force during the blast or something.

        -I like the term you used,,,,”hyperkaze”! Who knows if it come up in the past. If so, then hopefully it was torn apart because it creates a problem moving forward. Why not just build robot driven ship sized monoliths to launch hyerkaze attacks???

        -The energy resource is an issue as it has never been used before and just bewilders the mind that even in an evacuation mode that they wouldn’t fuel up before rushing off. This just doesn’t go along with any Star Wars writing of the past.

        -Snoke may have been arrogant but was able to read the mind and link minds and such…so for him to not feel movement in the force from Kylo just doesn’t seem to fit with what the painted Snoke to be.

        -I just don’t know what else to say about Rey…way too OP. One thing to have a nobody have force powers, another to have someone show up stronger than everyone else and can do all the old master tricks and then find out she isn’t special???

        -a lapse in judgement from Luke, I get that. But for him to stand over Ren and think it through is another. As a Grand Jedi Master, he would have given this thought, meditation and probably consulted….the “Yoda ghost”.

        -yeah…if that was all that was left of the resistance. It would have ended right there. That was just terrible decision to have so few fighters left.

        -I understand the purpose of the subplot for Finn and Poe, but it failed miserably. That is why it comes up so often. They have these new characters that no one really is invested in as with the Big 3 of the past. The only one anyone really cares for is Rey and Kylo.

        -The history on Rey and Snoke was left with clues in TFA that created the mess. Snoke making comments about Vaders moment of weakness and such tells me that he had intiment knowledge and wouldn’t it make sense to give us a little detail or backstory??

        Rey as mentioned above, is just too powerful for their not to be an explanation. If she was truly a nobody with average force powers, then ok. I’d always liked the idea of her being Luke and Mara Jade’s but without Luke’s knowledge of her as Mar Jade hid her.

        -BB8 was piloting chicken walker on ship, shooting and taking out troops with coins in TLJ….

        -Canto Bight is just painful to watch

        -the only cohesive feeling was that it was the same characters. But it is more cohesive with TFA than the originals. At that point the story does not go along with the original 6 at all.

        Glad you like TLJ…but for me, it was a franchise killer.

        • January 24, 2018 at 8:55 pm
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          Thank you for your response.

          I think you are buying too much into these ghosts: Obi Wan could have taught Luke as a ghost, or sent him to Dagobah, earlier. But he did it, as Luke was about to die.
          In the first novel that should follow Ep IV, Obi Wan posessed Luke to fight Vader. Though that idea was there, it was decided, that Luke had to fight Vader alone in V. And in VI, neither Obi Wan nor Yoda helped Luke in the throne room by comforting him. The problems of the mortals cannot be solved by the dead/immortals. They just give guiding, where necessary and of course, this is a story device.

          I read a few more books than the Thrawn trilogy, but there it was explicitly stated, that Luke felt unsure to train Jedi. I know this changed later. But you are right, I would have to catch up, there’s so much more to read, but not everything that is old EU is pure gold …

          Regarding the Resistance: In TFA, they attack Starkiller Base and have to evacuate. Maybe the Raddus already arrived with not enough fuel, since they had no time. This was not a well-planned escape.
          Plus, they mention that a lot of Resistance ships are still all over the galaxy, so the 15-30 fighters, left on the Falcon are not everything ´, but just what remained from the FO attack – it’s still not a lot.

          Regarding Rey being not special: As far as we can assume, Obi Wan and Mace Windu also came from nowhere and had no force-user parents. Still they were stronger – and Obi Wan killed a Sith, while he was still a Padawan, sth which neither Anakin nor Luke did.

          I’m not trying to convince you. I think many things you say are valid points. I can understand them, but they do not ruin the movie for me, I’m sorry they did, for you.

          • January 24, 2018 at 9:05 pm
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            Honorable response!

        • January 31, 2018 at 11:03 pm
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          “Glad you like TLJ…but for me, it was a franchise killer.”

          I feel exactly the same way.

    • January 23, 2018 at 4:11 pm
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      “-no other Luke students?”

      How many students did you expect Luke to have? During the events of The Phantom Menace, with the Jedi at their height, they had about 10,000 people. Considering the population of a galaxy from which to draw from, that’s a tiny number. Hell, 10,000 Jedi on Earth would be a small number. Force-users aren’t born every other day.

      I always figured that it would take years, perhaps centuries to rebuild the Order back to the magnitude we see in the Prequels. What Palpatine did to the Order was catastrophic in ways that folks should better appreciate.

    • January 23, 2018 at 4:11 pm
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      “-no other Luke students?”

      How many students did you expect Luke to have? During the events of The Phantom Menace, with the Jedi at their height, they had about 10,000 people. Considering the population of a galaxy from which to draw from, that’s a tiny number. Hell, 10,000 Jedi on Earth would be a small number. Force-users aren’t born every other day.

      I always figured that it would take years, perhaps centuries to rebuild the Order back to the magnitude we see in the Prequels. What Palpatine did to the Order was catastrophic in ways that folks should better appreciate.

      • January 23, 2018 at 6:29 pm
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        I never expected it to be in the form it once was. But, I did expect for Luke, Leia and the rest to be on the look out for force users or survivors from the purge. With the use of the “ghost” and the training that Yoda went through in the Clone Wars series, it is assumed that Luke would have help from the “ghost” in training new Jedi.
        It just would make sense that Luke had one or two others that were near Kylo’s age that weren’t there when he went dark.

        • January 23, 2018 at 6:56 pm
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          “I did expect for Luke, Leia and the rest to be on the look out for force users or survivors from the purge.”

          Why assume this never happened? There are 30 years between ROTJ and The Force Awakens. Surely Luke’s students didn’t simply appear out of the ether.

          “With the use of the “ghost” and the training that Yoda went through in the Clone Wars series, it is assumed that Luke would have help from the “ghost” in training new Jedi.”

          It “is assumed” by who? You?

        • January 23, 2018 at 6:56 pm
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          “I did expect for Luke, Leia and the rest to be on the look out for force users or survivors from the purge.”

          Why assume this never happened? There are 30 years between ROTJ and The Force Awakens. Surely Luke’s students didn’t simply appear out of the ether.

          “With the use of the “ghost” and the training that Yoda went through in the Clone Wars series, it is assumed that Luke would have help from the “ghost” in training new Jedi.”

          It “is assumed” by who? You?

          • January 23, 2018 at 7:06 pm
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            Well who else is supposed to assume this. It is what they did on the show. Did you watch it? It is what Yoda implies in his comments. Please go back and watch those final episodes.

    • January 31, 2018 at 10:49 pm
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      Let me add to that: a First Order that is somehow already more powerfull than the Empire ever was; a Rebel Alliance (Resistance yeah whatever same shit) that is once again a small band of survivors against the might Empire ERRRR!!! First Order.

      So lets reset the whole thing back to A New Hope yet with an even stronger Empire ..ERRRRR!! First Order and even weaker Rebel Alliance ERRRRR!!!! Resistance.

      A bad guy who wears a mask, doesnt wear a mask, pretends to maybe be grey but ERRRR!! no im totally evil; well except he is completely not believable as a villian.

      We did this story already. They couldnt come up with anything new?I could write a better story then what they have written in 10 minutes.

      I could go on and on. The whole series is turning into a money grab for sake of money grabbing. There was ZERO interest by Disney its become apparent, to actually make a decent set of movies and put any effort at all into storytelling. Not to mention have some ffing regard for the OT and its canon and fans.

  • January 22, 2018 at 6:48 pm
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    i see we’ve reached the everyone who hates this movie is sexist and or racist part of the free fall. before y’all go too deep into the muckraking let me point out this tiny inconvenient fact: the same damn lead characters are in TFA which is way more universally liked this one. i guess everyone just suddenly became racists over the last two years… or everyone has lost their damn minds.

    • January 22, 2018 at 7:37 pm
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      Well said!

    • January 22, 2018 at 8:29 pm
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      Who said that?!

      Which part of “but you have to wade through the small number of very loud, very angry and often very male “fans”” don’t you understand, or are offended by?

      FFS!

      • January 22, 2018 at 11:31 pm
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        All of it, because every part of it grade A bull shit. Just look at these threads. You are given dozens and dozens of comments stating clearly why people have issues with the film and one here or there that say feminism is ruining star wars or whatever. Yet you offer an opinion piece as evidence that states that the main comments on the film are from racists and sexists. That is called poisoning the well where you try to paint the rest of the TLJ “haters” as guilty by association. It’s a bull shit tactic by overly sensitive group of people who can’t handle a simple discussion about this stupid film.

        • January 22, 2018 at 11:38 pm
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          boy you said it, I can’t believe what I am reading here today.
          I thought the racism and sexism stuff wasn’t welcomed here?

          • January 23, 2018 at 7:16 pm
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            Same thing happened when that terrible novel come out by Wendig and no one liked it. It’s a narrative that they always fall back to when someone doesn’t like what they do.

        • January 23, 2018 at 12:18 am
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          Again, the emphasis is on the “small number”.

          But hey ho.

          • January 23, 2018 at 12:22 am
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            Go to see rottentomatoes. Around 180.000 reviews. Most of it negative. Mayority of it explaining detaily why the film didn’t work for them. There is your small number of sexist and racist, very few of it, actually, good luck to find at least few, you will be surprised…..

          • January 23, 2018 at 12:34 am
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            So small that you don’t have to “wade through” any of it to see the real critiques. So small it’s not even worth bringing up in an honest debate. But apparently that’s narrative you guys want to hitch your wagon to anyway. Good luck with that.

  • January 22, 2018 at 7:26 pm
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    Johnson has already moved on to explaining the fate of Luke’s mechanical hand. It’s just about as sad as his doppleganger explanation.

    • January 22, 2018 at 10:05 pm
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      He didn’t explain it, he said ‘yeah, shit, I realized that after I’d locked the film’.

        • January 23, 2018 at 6:32 pm
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          Love it!

        • January 23, 2018 at 6:40 pm
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          Sorry, I thought the complaint was that Johnson was trying to explain it away. We’re talking about Mark Hamill now? Well, honestly it sounds like it’s not really something that bothers him, and clearly it didn’t occur to him either when they shot it.

          • January 23, 2018 at 7:19 pm
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            I agree it sounds like it doesn’t bother him, I’m saying it’s because he couldn’t care less anymore.

            I am fairly sure it occurred to Mark Hamill — who has played Luke in 4 movies, 3 of which feature him at some point with a robotic hand — wondered how the issue of his hand would be dealt with when he filmed his final scene. He probably trusted that capable filmmakers and storytellers would handle it.

          • January 23, 2018 at 7:24 pm
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            I really like Mark Hammil and hate that he has had to walk back so many comments recently. I wonder after all of this if he’ll make it in episode 9 or not.

      • January 24, 2018 at 9:09 pm
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        You’d think the effects crew or someone would have mentioned it to him.

    • January 24, 2018 at 9:08 pm
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      Technically that was kind of a wide shot; the hand could have just fallen over the rock.

      • January 24, 2018 at 10:37 pm
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        Yes, but he literally called the shots.

        If it fell, just show the metal hand cascading down the rocks and into the water. Something to tell fans, “Hey, yeah, we thought about this because we care about this mythos and Luke’s death scene shouldn’t be handled carelessly.”

        I don’t see how anyone can seriously think Lucas or Irvin Kershner wouldn’t have inserted a lingering shot of Luke’s hand sitting atop a pile of empty robes.

        In that same Twitter thread, Johnson said someone joked about inserting the sound of metal clanking against the stone. So they thought about the issue. But it’s not as if it was beyond their ability or budget to fix it.

        It may seem like a trivial thing, but it’s emblematic of a general disrespect for everything that came before.

        • January 24, 2018 at 11:11 pm
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          Easily fixable via insert shot later.

  • January 23, 2018 at 1:12 am
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    No it makes sense. You come to a place where other people are spewing hate and don’t disagree with you so you can feel better about your opinion.

    It’s a safe space. You get angry when folks like me come in and lay some facts on you, and you kick and scream.

    SJWs are no longer the safe spacers. Please take a look at Conservatives and their current political behavior.

    Safe Space Champions. LOL.

  • January 23, 2018 at 3:49 pm
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    You don’t seem to be over it…
    I think the problem is that you think Star Wars is high art with no plot holes whatsoever. I’m sorry to inform you, but it’s never been. Mabye grab a book or serach movies elsewhere if you’re looking for that (good luck with finding a movie witouth plot holes though).

  • January 24, 2018 at 4:00 pm
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    I hope we get to see the thirty year gap where Luke is learning all this. They should just make more legends stuff canon if they know it works well.

  • January 24, 2018 at 9:07 pm
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    Proof EU/Legends directly influences the new sht.

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