Star Wars Episode IX Working Title Revealed

Star Wars Episode IX has officially received its production codename. Don’t expect it to give anything away, but it’s something that’s worth keeping in mind all the same.

 

 

Fantha Tracks has just uncovered the official production title for Episode IX: Black Diamond. You might ask yourself: “In the grand scheme of things, does this name mean anything for the story of the Sequel Trilogy’s closing chapter?” And the answer to that question is “probably not”. So far, of the three productions that we’ve seen so far, only one name had anything to do with the plot, and the fourth that will hit next May is just a pun:

 

  • The Force Awakens = AVCO
  • Rogue One = Los Alamos
  • The Last Jedi = Space Bear
  • Solo = Red Cup

 

The odd name out on that list is Los Alamos, which refers to the site in New Mexico where atomic bombs were tested near the end of WWII. Since Rogue One is about the testing of the Death Star before the heroes steal the plans from the Empire, the analogy here is clear. But again, that’s the exception and not the rule, so don’t expect Episode IX to be about skiing equipment. Still, this is a great find by FT – it’s good to know what Episode IX is internally being referred to as, because this will give us a clue about materials and resources that will be utilized for the project as production kicks into high gear in about half a year from now.

 

 

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Grant has been a fan of Star Wars for as long as he can remember, having seen every movie on the big screen. When he’s not hard at work with his college studies, he keeps himself busy by reporting on all kinds of Star Wars news for SWNN and general movie news on the sister site, Movie News Net. He served as a frequent commentator on SWNN’s The Resistance Broadcast.

Grant Davis (Pomojema)

Grant has been a fan of Star Wars for as long as he can remember, having seen every movie on the big screen. When he’s not hard at work with his college studies, he keeps himself busy by reporting on all kinds of Star Wars news for SWNN and general movie news on the sister site, Movie News Net. He served as a frequent commentator on SWNN’s The Resistance Broadcast.

151 thoughts on “Star Wars Episode IX Working Title Revealed

  • December 19, 2017 at 11:01 am
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    incoming salty posts about TLJ, while everyone else is enjoying the movie

    • December 19, 2017 at 11:10 am
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      The salt is strong with Crait.

      • December 19, 2017 at 11:34 am
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        the surface of Crait is as if thousands of fanboys cried out that the movie “didn’t go the way they think it goes.”

    • December 19, 2017 at 2:07 pm
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      The part I liked most in TLJ was when they explained who made the map to Luke Skywalker and why it was made in the first place since Luke didn’t want to be found. You know that little unimportant map that was the key element of TFA. I mean Rian explained it perfectly by adding the question how Kylo even knew Luke was alive, given he had thought him dead after what happened at the academy and how he couldn’t have felt Luke’s presence since Luke cut himself off from the force.

      But of course only salty fanboys would want to know more about this tiny unimportant detail than Rian gave us. Critizising a obviously flawless movie. So salty.

    • December 19, 2017 at 2:07 pm
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      The part I liked most in TLJ was when they explained who made the map to Luke Skywalker and why it was made in the first place since Luke didn’t want to be found. You know that little unimportant map that was the key element of TFA. I mean Rian explained it perfectly by adding the question how Kylo even knew Luke was alive, given he had thought him dead after what happened at the academy and how he couldn’t have felt Luke’s presence since Luke cut himself off from the force.

      But of course only salty fanboys would want to know more about this tiny unimportant detail than Rian gave us. Critizising a obviously flawless movie. So salty.

      • December 19, 2017 at 3:02 pm
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        Oh, that explains why people hate it: they misunderstand and did not notice a lot in TFA and TLJ

        It wasn’t map to Luke and he never made it. It was a map to the first Jedi temple. People knew that Luke was searching for it. He had an alternative map – that compass from BF2, you can see it on Luke’s table in TLJ, that’s how he found the island.

        Lor San Tekka and Church of Force had a piece of another map, Empire archives had the rest.
        When resistance decided to find Luke, they started with searching for that temple and here we go in TFA.

        • December 19, 2017 at 3:18 pm
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          Okay so now I need to play videogames, read visual dictionaries, books and comics to understand the main plot of a movie. That’s some next level writing right there. No longer is it enough to watch the SW movies to understand the main plot of a SW movie. You now have to play battlefront 2’s solocampaign. One could almost suspect that Disney is deliberately creating plotholes only to explain them in other media which you have to buy for that sweet dweet money.

          • December 19, 2017 at 3:23 pm
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            open those wallets, suckers!

          • December 19, 2017 at 3:23 pm
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            Compass is not the main thing in my reply.

            The thing is, it never was said in TFA that Luke created this map nor that he wanted to be found. Even Han said that Luke felt responsible and went to exile. That’s exactly what we saw in TLJ.

            Some fans misinterpret it and built different theories, that’s their problem, not a problem of a good movies.

          • December 19, 2017 at 3:46 pm
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            You still have to explain where the map comes from if Luke is so well hidden. If he had been somewhere on Coruscant noone would have given a damn. But he was in a supersecret hidingspace. Everyone was after BB-8 to get that map. They even invaded Takodana to get it. And we don’t know that Luke didn’t create the map. On the contrary it is the logical thing to assume Luke created the map. Only he knew where he was hiding after all. It never said: oh this isn’t a map to Luke but a map to the first jedi temple. Maybe he has gone there to uncover some secrets. Keep in mind the map was also stored on R2-D2, Luke’s dorid! Also we don’t see a straight line leading to Anch-To but a line with changing directions and waypoints. This sugegsts it’s the travelroute of a Luke searching multiple planets, not a direction to directly land at Anch-To.

            Also If it was so obvious than why did they bother explaining it in Battlefrot 2? Why did so many people ask: what is the map all about after TFA?
            That’s right because it isn’t. You’re just finding excuses instead of admiting that not everything is flawless about TLJ or TFA. Oh and you still haven’t answered my question how Kylo knew Luke was alive afte rhwat happened at the academy. Guess you need to wait for some game or comic until you can answer that question. Awesome writing once again.

          • December 19, 2017 at 3:52 pm
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            >> On the contrary it is the logical thing to assume Luke created the map

            Wrong, see Occam’s razor.

            >> You still have to explain where the map comes from if Luke is so well hidden

            You can imagine. Jedi archives or artifacts. That’s why there was Lor San Tekka and church of force – they were keepers of Jedi artifacts.

            >> It was stored on R2-D2!

            God damn, YES, the rest of the map was in Empire database (that’s why FO had it too) and Artoo could download it from DS. As I remember, that was exactly what JJ said.

            >> If it was so obvious than why did they bother explaining it in Battlefrot 2?

            There was no explanation in BF2. There was just a hint – Luke found some compass in Emperor’s observatory.

            >> You’re just finding excuses instead of admiting that not everything is flawless about TLJ or TFA.

            I’m not saying that everything is flawless, I’m answering to particular wrong arguments against it.

          • December 19, 2017 at 3:56 pm
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            Dude JJ had to explain the amp because people didn’t get it. If the director has to explain what happens in the movie he didn’t to a good job at directing. And again, how does Kylo know luke is alive? No directors commentary, no books, just show me where this is said in the movie! Also occam’s razor. The map to Luke => most likely created by Luke.

            A simple line in TLJ would have been enough. “People always thought this map leads to my hiding place but why would I make a map if I didn’t want to be found. No it shows, the location of the first Jedi temple. I wanted to find answers so I searched the Imperial archives and Palpatines collection of ancient artifacts to find this location. I deleted the files so that R2 would only have an incomplete map but apparently the first order managed to find some pieces of the map on their own”

            This is a 2 minute explaination that Luke had made instead of milking some alien tiddies.

          • December 19, 2017 at 4:04 pm
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            It’s not a problem of a movie or scenario that some people cant figure out that basic things. I never needed that explanation from JJ because I suggested the same thing after watching TFA: Luke went to jedi temple, they were searching for temple, part of a map was artifact, Artoo had another part from empire archives.
            And, to be fair, having absolutely clear explanation is not a good thing in writing and we never had it in SW.

          • December 19, 2017 at 4:06 pm
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            There’s nothing wrong with having to fill in the gaps. I neer had a problem ith how Poe survived. We saw Finn do it then why not Poe? But the way how the map was handled was bad story writing. Indicated by the fact that R2 wakes up exactly when he needs to. Even JJ admit that he has no explaination for this.

          • December 19, 2017 at 4:12 pm
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            Poe explained how he survived. Map thing was ok, it’s just your opinion, dear writing expert.

            >> Indicated by the fact that R2 wakes up exactly when he needs to.

            BB8 came to Artoo (who was in sleeping mode, not disabled: his sensors could be partially active) trying to wake him up. After some time Artoo woke up and showed the rest of the map.
            JJ explained it for those guys who do not understand: BB8 asked sleeping Artoo to find the rest of the map, Artoo started processing and he woke up when finished. It’s simple.

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:00 pm
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            Sleeping R2 didn’t give a fuck when C3-PO wanted to wake him up Por looking for the map or anyone else in the resistance but he answers to BB-8 whom he has never met before. Seems about right.

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:33 pm
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            We don’t know anything about Artoo and his intentions. He knew all of the ep1-3 story (his memory wasn’t erased), he knew Obi Wan and still never told it to Luke. BB said “I have a secret part of map”, that’s why Artoo started to act. It’s simple. Goodby here too, I’m finally done.

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:04 pm
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            Actually, I’m with BobRoss on this one: R2 waking up felt like Deus Ex Machina to me

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:31 pm
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            Man, everything in SW looks like Deus Ex Machina. Starting from Qui Gon meets Anakin, continuing with “Luke bought R2 and C3PO”, ending with Ewoks

          • December 19, 2017 at 3:49 pm
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            That’s the great thing about the OT: no plot holes!

            Eyeroll.

          • December 19, 2017 at 3:54 pm
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            The OT. A saga which was dependent on it’s success. When ANH was released noone dared to dream that eventually episode 2 would follow. But Disney couldn’t even get their directors to work out a continuous story even though the success of the trilogy never stood to debate. And tehy even admit to it. Also I must have missed the Canto Bight storyarc in the OT thart could be cut without changing the movie at all.

          • December 19, 2017 at 4:06 pm
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            Fans wanted new worlds – they got it. And it worked for Finn ark and for future of resistance, you just dont get it.

          • December 19, 2017 at 4:10 pm
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            Oh okay. So everyone criticising this doesn’t get it. Seems like you are jus an uncritical fanboy excusing every glaring plothole. I love Star Wars but I am not an uncritical lemming finding excuses for every plothole insetad of admiting that some things haven’t been handled been clear enough for the casual audience. Still waiting for your explanation why Kylo knew Luke was alive. After all if he didn’t know Luke was alive TFA wouldn’t have taken place to begin with. That’s a fucking huge plothole if you can’t explain it

          • December 19, 2017 at 4:19 pm
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            I’m not finding excuses, those are onscreen facts and easy logical conclusions. I’m not going to anwer you if you continue that “fanboy” thing.

            >> Still waiting for your explanation why Kylo knew Luke was alive.

            Because others also knew that? Leya, Han and many other people, right? Luke not just went to island immediately. FO spies, anyone? It’s easy.

          • December 19, 2017 at 4:58 pm
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            So what he told Han and Leia in confidence is outomaticall common sense in the galaxy even when he said he didn’t want to be found. As far as I know Rey thought of Luke to only be a myth but if you are happy with simply making up stories and call it a day I am not going to take this away from you. I wouldbe interested however what kind of plotholes you think there are in TFA or TLJ. Seeing how forgiving you are with plotholes there should me no movie with a plothole at all. Because with power of imagination everything can be explained away. In the future it will be enough for moviewriters to just show us some short sketches. You can fill the gaps in between yourself.

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:15 pm
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            Of course he told to his family that he’s going somewhere and explained it somehow. What you imagine, “Leia, I’m tired of that shit, goodbye”? May be he not even told them that he’s going there forever and do not want to be found.

            I’m tired to explain you basic things, goodbye.

          • December 19, 2017 at 4:14 pm
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            We all get it…..you don’t get it that people have legitimate complaints and don’t like it.

          • December 19, 2017 at 4:14 pm
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            We all get it…..you don’t get it that people have legitimate complaints and don’t like it.

          • December 19, 2017 at 4:24 pm
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            I’m answering to particular complain: “Canto Bight storyarc in the OT thart could be cut without changing the movie at all”

            I explained the purpose of it.
            I’m not saying that everything in TLJ was perfect and all complains were wrong,

          • December 19, 2017 at 9:02 pm
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            if a movie was done properly…it needs no explanation. This movie did not logically portray Luke and all his resources.

          • December 19, 2017 at 4:04 pm
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            LOL 🙂

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:04 pm
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            I’ve noticed that’s a common hand wave.

            A lot of time has passed. People have changed. It’s not reasonable to expect any kind of character consistency.

            If you’d only read the entire Timothy Zahn oeuvre or played Shadows of the Empire to the end all your questions would be answered.

      • December 19, 2017 at 3:43 pm
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        the map was a plot device for Ep 7. Lukes found so they don’t need to explain it further unless you want another 20 mins on the running time? (personally think they should have shaved off 15!).

      • December 19, 2017 at 4:46 pm
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        Kylo always knew he was alive. He knew in the tfa. Again, people shitting on the this movie because it’s not lining up with the random shit the made up in their heads

        • December 19, 2017 at 4:52 pm
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          How do you know he did know Luke is alive? He murdered the students of the academy so why not Luke? Why not finish him off immediately only to chase him down for years to come?

          • December 19, 2017 at 4:57 pm
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            He thought that Luke was dead right after massacre, but he got info that Luke is alive later. Because in TFA many people knew that Luke is alive (even Maz), it wasn’t a secret and there were lots of FO spies.
            Also, talking about “why not to finish him for sure” – ask Obi-Wan in ep3.

          • December 19, 2017 at 4:59 pm
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            And even Snoke could feel Luke and tell it to Kylo

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:11 pm
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            Which makes sense since Luke cut himself off from the force in the movie. We even had a dramatic scene where he reconnected to the force. Another example of how RJ didn’t even watch TFA.

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:25 pm
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            Damn, he could cut himself much later, before island, but after massacre. What a stupid argument. Goodbye here too.

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:34 pm
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            Oh I see so he cut himself of just in between the destruction of Starkillerbase and when Rey met him which is a couple of hours/days. Makes even more sense,

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:06 pm
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            Ah yes Obi Wan then devoted his whole life to mercilessly hunt down Vader in order to kill him. The simple fact that you can’t see the difference between these two stories shows how uncritical you are of these movies.

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:24 pm
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            What a stupid argument. Obi thought that Anakin is dead, then he went to exile on Tatooine and waited for new hope. He couldn’t fight against Emperor and Vader alone.

            Kylo thought that Luke was dead, later he figured out that he is not dead. He and Snoke wanted to destroy Jedi order legacy and they had power to do that, that’s why they were searching for Luke.

            Goodbye.

          • December 19, 2017 at 4:59 pm
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            There are so many ways to explain this if you use a tiny bit of thought and imagination. Maybe he didn’t intend to kill Luke, but punish him by destroying everything he had built. Maybe he thought he killed Luke, but then found out in the intervening years that Luke had in fact survived.

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:02 pm
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            Yeah sure why explain things if you can imagine it. I am pretty sure now that Snoke is Leias other son. It’s an elaborate story, really but you can go and figure it out yourself. Isn’t imagination wonderful.

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:06 pm
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            You must be really confused why most of the characters in this trilogy haven’t starved by now, since only Rey and Luke have eaten anything!

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:09 pm
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            Which is totally comparable. A map, described in the movie as “the map to skywalker” but in reality leads to the last jeditemple which is never mentioned in the films whatsoever. So you have to imagine it. That is of course completely comparable to eating (which btw they do in maz castle). Kylo trying to murder Luke, then not murdering Luke for whatever reason only to go back to murdering Luke. Yeah that doesn’t take more imagination than people eating in a movie. Strong argument you got there, really.

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:17 pm
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            The opening scene in the force awakens, he questioning max von Sydow about the map to skywalker. It’s also established in the opening crawl that both the first order and the resistance is looking for them

        • December 19, 2017 at 5:03 pm
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          I thought that was why he was interested in the map to begin with in TFA. Why would he care if people were looking for someone whom he had killed a long time ago?

  • December 19, 2017 at 12:14 pm
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    Ski trail grading: Black Diamond

    Challenging, taking you out of your comfort zone.

    Here we go again…

  • December 19, 2017 at 12:57 pm
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    At this point I am more interested in Rian’s new trilogy simply because he is planning out the trilogy as a whole so there’s a chance of some buildup rather than developements that are “shocking” beause they happen so randomly. TLJ was the finale of the sequel trilogy. It resolved all the questions we had (even though not all of them in a satisfying way), killed of the main antagonist and the wise mentor and leaves us almost exactly where we were at the end of TFA. Kylo vs Rey. We’ve already seen JJ do this scenario and I don’t really need to see it again. Kylo might wear the title of Supreme Leader now (whatever that is) ruling over the First Order (whatever that is) to finally achieve the goals of the FO (whatever they are). Rey will be much more powerful even though her way of mastering the force is completely random and doesn’t require much training or time or knowledge.

    As someone who generally enjoys watching Star Wars related contend including the prequels and animated series I think I should feel thrilled reading news about IX. But I have the same feeling after watching VIII which I had when Gustavo Fring was killed in season 4 of Breaking Bad. This feeling that I had already seen the real finale, that nothing that would come after season 4 would matter as much as the events that led up to this moment. IX starts as a completely blank canvas since Rian has said he hasn’t written any ideas for IX. We don’t know what Kylo will do in IX, what Rey will do, what the first order or what little is left of the resistance will do. IX could take place immediately after VIII or 10 years later, there is no pressing issue that needs to be resolved, no event that needs to be avoided or object that needs to be destroyed. And for the finale of a trilogy, this is terrible.

    Fans of the Harry Potter series didn’t have to aks themselves what needed to be done in “The Deathly Hallows”. Voldemort needed to be defeated, the prophecy had to be fullfilled, Horcruxes needed to be found and destroyed. Those who read the Lord Of the Rings novels knew what to expect when the final book “The return of the King” came out. The ring still had to be destroyed and with him Sauron, Gollum would be even more essential to the plot than what was already foreshadowed in “The Two Towers” and Aragorn would have to claim the Throne that was rightfully his. People didn’t know how exactly these things would go down but they knew what to expect, they knew that their patience would finally pay off as they got closer and closer to the finale.

    Well we Star Wars fans already had our finale in TLJ. It’s not what we wanted but what Rian thought was necessary so he shot a finale instead of part 2 of a trilogy. A wonderful movie yet a terrible sequel. Get ready for the filler episode “Black Diamond” before the story continues with Rian’s new trilogy.

    • December 19, 2017 at 1:56 pm
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      I agree and disagree.

      Yes, there is no pressing issue right now that needs to be resolved. So, one may think this is a finale to what JJ set up in TFA.
      BUT the Resistance needs to be rebuilt in order to “spark the fire, which will take the First Order down”.

      After ESB there was also no pressing issue that needed to be resolved, other than to rescue Han Solo from Jabba.

      Rian also has said that he wanted to give JJ as much of a clean slate as possible, which in turn makes Ep IX unpredictable and open, which is good because anything can happen and go either way.

      EDIT: When you remember the prequels, there was no pressing issue to be resolved after any of the movies, when you think about it.
      The prequels feel like each movie stands on its own. It’s just because we knew where the story needed to go in order to link up with Ep IV – Anakin needed to turn to the dark side.

      Also, after a New Hope there was absolutely no pressing issue. One could argue that ESB kind of retconned the end of ANH.

      • December 19, 2017 at 1:59 pm
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        It is not good if the finale of a TRILOGY can go either way. Buildup is crucial to a good story that spans multiple movies. If you have a movie series like Transformers or Jurassic Park then every movie is it’s own self contained story but that is now what Star Wars is. This is exactly why TLJ is a good movie but a terrible sequel. Why is it so hard to understand that in order to build up a storyline that leads to a satisfying climax at one point you need to commit to it?

        • December 19, 2017 at 2:56 pm
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          sure, but it would be boring to know where the story goes right? Or how it ends? I don’t like predictability. I want to be surprised.

          Sure, I like my Rogue One as well. But wouldn’t it be nice to be actually genuinely surprised? Coming out of the theater and saying “wow, I did not expect this to happen and end like that” ?

          I mean, that’s why I like sequels in the first place because you don’t know where the journey will end up.

          • December 19, 2017 at 3:16 pm
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            It’s not about knowing where exactly the story goes it is about knowing the tasks our heroes will have to face in the future. Star Wars is not the Simpons where in th end of every episode everything resets to status quo. Rogue one had plottwist and unexpected elements (who will survive, what is Vader’s role) even though it had limitations concerning where the story should start and where it should end but it still managed to be entertaining and even surprising at times. Leaving everyting as a blank canvas times and times again is a sign of how the directors failed to connect their ideas, plain and simple.

          • December 19, 2017 at 3:47 pm
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            I don’t understand your confusion.
            We know what the heros tasks are:
            the resistance’s (Poe/Finn/rose) is to rally the galaxy to bring down the first order.
            Rey’s is to continue her journey with her complicated relationship with the force, and Kyle ren.
            Ren must deal with becoming leader of the entire first order while dealing with his extremely complicated relashionship with the force, and Rey.

          • December 19, 2017 at 3:48 pm
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            and the relationship with Hux, who hates him and wanted to kill him!

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:36 pm
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            Some people just didn’t like some story decisions and want to find some “objective” arguments against the movie because they want to prove that it is bad objectively, not just in their subjective view. That’s simple “hater” definition.

      • December 19, 2017 at 3:14 pm
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        the Sparking of the Fire which will take the first order down has been sparked. Spreading the word of the Rebellion and the Jedi in the final act of the movie. The kids reenacting the Crait battle with Luke the action figure and the kid with the rebellion ring. It wouldn’t surprise me if IX picks up 2/3 years down the line. The spark was the finale and the opening scrawl of IX could tell us of other star systems picking up the resistance message. After all TLJ was over a very small amount of time.
        It would be awesome to see Luke as a force ghost mentor for Rey
        IX really could close one door and possibly set up a whole new Jedi movement in the future which would also bring endless opportunities.

  • December 19, 2017 at 1:59 pm
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    Black Diamond. Like Snoke’s obsidian ring?

    • December 19, 2017 at 3:18 pm
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      Disney; “Let them have their fan theories, we dont care, the next film will also make no sense and shit upon everything we built up”
      Disney Shills, “Tell us more, please”

      • December 19, 2017 at 3:58 pm
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        Do you need someone to explain The last Jedi to you real slow until it makes sense to you or do you just want to wait for the young readers novelization?

        • December 19, 2017 at 4:19 pm
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          You aren’t really arguing that the Last Jedi didn’t follow up on most of what TFA set up did you? I mean nobody could be that dense right?

          I’ve become more content with the movie in a second viewing but you can’t say that it feels like a continuation of TFA, it feels so different which is why I think people liked it so much. They wanted different. There are valid reasons to debate people on this movie about, saying that OMG your too STUPIZDZ to see how it connects isn’t one of them.

          • December 19, 2017 at 4:59 pm
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            It feels like a continuation of The Force Awakens. You’re the one who implied The Last Jedi didn’t make sense, I’m just wondering if you need help making sense of it. Additionally, if it shits on anything it was your fan theories but certainly not anything that’s in The Force Awakens.

            The only thread that wasn’t explicitly addressed is the whereabouts of the Knights of Ren. However, one can assume they are part of the merciless legions seizing control of the galaxy described in the opening crawl.

            The Last Jedi is one movie in a trilogy. You can’t take two random songs off of an album and know how they fit together until you’ve heard the entire album. I’d say TFA and TLJ have more in common tonally than ANH and ESB.

            I’m sure J.J. will tie everything up in nice little safe package that won’t upset anyone. Wait, that’s impossible. There’s no way to make a certain segment of Star Wars fans happy.

          • December 19, 2017 at 6:20 pm
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            There were a bunch of things set up in TFA aside from the Knights of Ren that wasn’t (and won’t be answered in the future) If Luke’s plan was to die on Ach-To alone and disconnected from the force, why would you leave a map with a guy from the church of the force to find you? How did Snoke gain influence on Kylo Ren to start the process of turning him to the darkside? The First Order was just the force that showed their might for the first time in TFA by destroying the Republic, but not long after as we have seen in TLJ they have taken over the entire galaxy even after losing their main weapon in Starkiller base?

            I had no “theories” heading into TLJ, as I was ready for whatever story it wanted to tell, but so much of it doesn’t jive with the pre-established universe. I guess that is the point, but it doesn’t mean that I “don’t get it”. I just don’t like or agree with the tonal issues of the movie, the modern elements of Jay-Z brush your shoulders off, Matrix style slow motion dive under the lightsaber etc. There are plenty of reasons to not like or like the movie, it doesn’t make anyone more of a fan or less of a fan.

  • December 19, 2017 at 2:41 pm
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    JJ should walk away
    Star Wars : You fucked it up, you fix it

  • December 19, 2017 at 3:46 pm
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    Don’t forget Episode 6 – VI – Blue Harvest

  • December 19, 2017 at 3:57 pm
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    Black Diamond is a cheese trademark…

    Black Diamond > Cheese > Moon

    The final showdown will be on a moon.

    • December 19, 2017 at 4:06 pm
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      That’s no moon….

      • December 19, 2017 at 8:24 pm
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        … that’s a StarKiller base version 2

  • December 19, 2017 at 3:59 pm
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    Ok i dont know how jar jar abrahms its going to do this after TLJ

    • December 19, 2017 at 4:12 pm
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      It will have a “LOST”-like ending… 🙂

  • December 19, 2017 at 4:15 pm
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    It’s funny that Black Diamond skiing and snowboarding trails are the most difficult and dangerous to navigate. JJ knows he is going to have to figure out how to fucking land this ship.

  • December 19, 2017 at 4:23 pm
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    Do you think the quickness with which Ep. 9 is being discussed less than a week after Last Jedi’s release has anything to do with the divisive reviews ?

    • December 19, 2017 at 6:34 pm
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      That’s actually a good (rhetorical) question. The amount of explaination that happened right after the movie was released seems to be some kind of damage control if you want to call it that. One would expect this kind of discussions to take place in a few months on some kind of convention.

      • December 19, 2017 at 8:23 pm
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        I’ve picked up on that. A number of interviews explaining why RJ did this or chose to do that, not so many on how on Earth they managed to pull off certain effects etc.

  • December 19, 2017 at 4:36 pm
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    End scene of 9 has to be Luke awaking from the nightmare of this trilogy….

  • December 19, 2017 at 4:40 pm
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    Just had my second viewing. It’s fine. I had issues with it before but turns out it was part stuff I missed and part my personal baggage.

    The movie is fine as a Star Wars film and a film. It has 93% on RT because it’s a solid well made film, and they are judging it in that. Get over your shit, it’s fine. See you in two years for 9. People are over reacting. See 9, then judge the trilogy as a whole

    • December 19, 2017 at 4:42 pm
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      check audience score. Glad you liked it but many did not. that doesn’t make them wrong

      • December 19, 2017 at 4:51 pm
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        I’ve seen it and read it. Over reacting up the anus. People must qouting the movie as well.

        • December 19, 2017 at 5:00 pm
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          Rotten Tomatoes overall just isn’t a good measure anyway. Middling critic reviews can be taken to be either positive or negative seemingly arbitrarily, while audience score can easily be overblown by oversensitive fans, trolls and/or bots.

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:03 pm
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            Yes it was a large undertaking to organize everyone, but 100,000 of us got together and we did it!

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:07 pm
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            The USA alone is a big place. I’m sure 100,000 disgruntled fans could easily figuratively huddle together and get typing within a couple of days without any need for coordination.

            More pertinently, the non-fan general audience, who seem to have enjoyed the film, wouldn’t care to take the time and actually put down a score on the site.

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:17 pm
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            Also haters are much more vocal and can give a movie 0/10 while it obviously do not deserve it

          • December 19, 2017 at 6:33 pm
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            And fanboys give it a 10/10 which it didn’t deserve either. What’s your point? Both extreme positions equal each other out. The same enraged fans could have done this to TFA or R1 but they didn’t so it’s quite obvious that TLJ is more divisive than any SW Disney movie before it.

          • December 20, 2017 at 3:11 am
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            That’s faulty logic unless you can quantify those extreme positions. It’s also flawed because social norms have been collapsing steadily since the films first came out. With the rise of social media, being polarized, divisive and hateful is par for the course.

          • December 20, 2017 at 1:39 pm
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            Look nothing significantly changed since TFA and R1. If they weren’t influenced by botarmies thenw hy should TLJ be. No matter where I go TLJ is always described as a deeply polarizing movie. Don’t say “it’s different it’s different” like mantra and then wonder that you lost a lot of fans on the way. The spoiler review on this very website shows that many fans have issues with TLJ. Do they hate it? MOst people don’t they think it’s an okay movie with interesting ideas. Is it a masterpiece? Absolutely not either. Either the internet trolls have some deep state shit going on like the illuminati or maybe, just maybe TLJ didn’t land with everyone. Believe what you want to believe but I predicted this before the movie came out simply based on statements of cast and crew of the movie. It’s not that hard to see that things that shocked longtime SW fan Mark Hamill would also shock some regular fans.

          • December 20, 2017 at 3:09 am
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            You don’t need to organize to complain online, it’s become a global pastime for fanboys as this site illustrates. 🙂

          • December 20, 2017 at 3:07 am
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            100,000 sounds like a big number, but in this context it’s not statistically relevant.

            Median theater size: 300 (there are of course larger and smaller ones)
            TLJ opened on ~4200 screens

            That means in one showing globally, 1.26 million people saw the film just from that over-simplified calculation.

            So yeah, I think 100,000 grumpy fans jumping on review sites to express their displeasure with TLJ is totally expected. And yet, by itself that number doesn’t allow you to draw any useful conclusions about how the film has been received by audiences as a whole.

          • December 20, 2017 at 6:48 am
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            You can try to talk around it all you want. Disney took notice. Winning.

          • December 19, 2017 at 6:24 pm
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            Then why didn’t they do this with TFA and RO? Why is it only TLJ?

          • December 19, 2017 at 7:39 pm
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            Not sure. It could be by simple progression or the fact that the critic praise was arguably much louder this time.

          • December 19, 2017 at 9:35 pm
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            Some troll was saying that this is revenge for the low reviews for the Justice League. But who knows, because i have seen weird star wars reviews in other movies in rotten tomatoes

          • December 20, 2017 at 1:30 am
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            There’s absolutely no way to know, but I personally have theories. Namely that trolling and mudslinging has become the de facto method of human discourse in the past year. Especially against any bastions of “political correctness.”

            Without additional context, neither you nor I can draw any real conclusions, however.

          • December 19, 2017 at 8:16 pm
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            Rotten Tomatoes is only a good measure when judging the prequels apparently.

          • December 19, 2017 at 8:16 pm
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            Rotten Tomatoes is only a good measure when judging the prequels apparently.

          • December 19, 2017 at 8:22 pm
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            It could be, but I don’t give it much importance in forming any opinion on a film, be it prequel or otherwise.

          • December 19, 2017 at 8:42 pm
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            And that’s exactly how it should be!

          • December 19, 2017 at 8:42 pm
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            And that’s exactly how it should be!

          • December 20, 2017 at 2:31 am
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            I’m expecting the Nostalgia Critic to talk about the Rotten Tomatoes issue for his clipless TLJ review.

          • December 20, 2017 at 10:48 pm
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            he likes the movie too

          • December 20, 2017 at 10:50 pm
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            Weird, I would assume he’d hate it like TFA and Rogue One.

          • December 20, 2017 at 10:50 pm
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            Weird, I would assume he’d hate it like TFA and Rogue One.

          • December 20, 2017 at 10:58 pm
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            Yeah, so did HOw it should of ended.

            Mind blown

          • December 20, 2017 at 11:50 pm
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            I took a look at his channel. Looks like this kid does not like much of anything since every video is sucks this and sucks that. You know what sucks? Watching someone die of cancer

          • December 20, 2017 at 11:57 pm
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            You just had to remind me (my grandfather died from cancer months ago). ;_;

          • December 21, 2017 at 2:10 am
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            Well sorry man. I’m sorry for your loss truly. It’s just when people go ape shit over Entertainment, I always stop and think what is really important. You know? Like the people that started the petition for TLJ to wiped from canon. Spending energy on something like that is NOT important

          • December 21, 2017 at 2:23 am
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            Well just letting you know, this guy is quite the contrarian when it comes to movies and video games (but he also brings some good points about the current state of both industries).

        • December 19, 2017 at 6:18 pm
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          over reacting based on how we feel? are you over reacting because you like it?

        • December 19, 2017 at 8:15 pm
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          There are people that love it and people that hate it. It’s subjective. Who gets to decide which of those opinions is right?

          Those that love it are just as overreactive as those that hate it.

      • December 20, 2017 at 1:22 am
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        The film is divisive, I get that. However, user scores are infinitely easier to game than critic scores, and there have been people boasting about review bombing, just like you see on Steam, Amazon, etc. You’re seeing what you want to see because it aligns with your feelings, but it’s not a terribly valuable metric in and of itself.

        • December 20, 2017 at 3:38 am
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          sure, they are easier. take some time and read through them. they are pretty in depth on the negative reviews. I’d bet they are more accurate than you think. This movie really struck a bad nerve in fandom.

        • December 20, 2017 at 10:44 pm
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          That is why on amazon they came up with the ‘verified purchase’

    • December 19, 2017 at 8:13 pm
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      This is why I’m planning to give it another chance. The worse that can happen is that my opinion doesn’t change!

  • December 19, 2017 at 4:59 pm
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    JJ Abrams is obviously a KISS fan! “Black Diamond” is one of their classic songs. Similar to Ello Asty from TFA, I predict we will get a character named Ene Immons!!!! 😉

    • December 19, 2017 at 5:00 pm
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      I thought he was a Beastie Boys fan, hence the name BB-8?

      • December 19, 2017 at 5:01 pm
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        Groan. That was the joke!

    • December 20, 2017 at 3:18 am
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      Ello Asty was L O S T or Hello Nasty?

  • December 19, 2017 at 5:14 pm
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    Kenobi and/or Anakin (DV) re-appear in Ep. 9 ?

  • December 19, 2017 at 5:30 pm
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    Dude did you not see TLJ!?!? Why even bother speculating anymore? Just pack up and go.

  • December 19, 2017 at 5:33 pm
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    Speaking of Rogue One, remember at the end of the film when Vader’s star destroyer emerged from hyperspace and intercepted the fleeing rebel ships?

    Apparently Rian Johnson doesn’t.

    • December 20, 2017 at 1:16 am
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      Don’t blame Rian for that. If it was actually an issue (it’s not), that’s on the LFL Story Group for letting it slip, especially when Rogue One features a throwaway line about a Tarkin Initiative hyperspace tracker project.

      Not everything has to be explained via in-film exposition or “it’s a plot hole!” However, if you desperately need an explanation, here it is:

      Standard pursuit tactics are stated by Vader in ESB: “Alert all commands. Calculate every possible destination along their last know trajectory.”

      From the Rogue One novelization, we have the rest of the equation: The Tantive IV wasn’t ready to fly, but it flew. It emerged from the burning wreck of the cruiser and sped away from Scarif. For a blessed few seconds it moved swiftly, confidently through space. Then the ship rocked again and echoed with thunder and sparks. From his station on the bridge, Raymus could smell circuits melting…

      …The Tantive IV might jump out of the system, but it was hurt and it would be pursued.

  • December 19, 2017 at 5:44 pm
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    It’s weird that people who like TLJ seem to be happy it offends fans of the OT. Even though without the OT we would never have TLJ.

    For example, the Gizmodo blogs are all-in pro-TLJ, and they have an article entitled “A List Of Some Of The Times The Last Jedi Told The Older Star Wars Movies To Eat Sh*t”.

    You might think that’s a problem. But no, for them it’s cause for celebration.

    So if you think the OT needs to be told to eat sh*t, I guess TLJ is your kind movie.

  • December 19, 2017 at 5:44 pm
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    It’s weird that people who like TLJ seem to be happy it offends fans of the OT. Even though without the OT we would never have TLJ.

    For example, the Gizmodo blogs are all-in pro-TLJ, and they have an article entitled “A List Of Some Of The Times The Last Jedi Told The Older Star Wars Movies To Eat Sh*t”.

    You might think that’s a problem. But no, for them it’s cause for celebration.

    So if you think the OT needs to be told to eat sh*t, I guess TLJ is your kind movie.

    • December 19, 2017 at 6:55 pm
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      Dude, I grew up on the OT. I saw Star Wars in 1977 in the theater when I was 8. And I absolutely love TLJ. Love, love, love it. So stop generalizing about fans of the OT. Believe it or not, all OT fans do not think like you, and your opinions do not necessarily represent the majority opinion of OT fans. They are merely your opinions, and that’s all.

    • December 19, 2017 at 6:55 pm
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      Dude, I grew up on the OT. I saw Star Wars in 1977 in the theater when I was 8. And I absolutely love TLJ. Love, love, love it. So stop generalizing about fans of the OT. Believe it or not, all OT fans do not think like you, and your opinions do not necessarily represent the majority opinion of OT fans. They are merely your opinions, and that’s all.

      • December 19, 2017 at 7:11 pm
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        I’m glad for you that you liked it.

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          And I’m sorry for you that your identity is so entwined with a fictional world that TLJ is causing an existential crisis. I hope you get help.

          • December 20, 2017 at 5:28 am
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            You can rest assured I’m just fine.

          • December 20, 2017 at 5:39 am
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            BTW, speaking of existential crises and being entwined in a fictional world… which one of us owns a copy of the Rogue One novelization?

    • December 19, 2017 at 8:32 pm
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      Why are you randomly whining about TLJ? This post is about EP9 you know?

    • December 20, 2017 at 12:55 am
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      TLJ has flaws that have nothing to do with the canon and I’m not blind to them. However, it doesn’t offend ALL fans of the OT so let’s stop with the blanket statements. It offends specific fans of the OT that have immutable head canon for how the post-RotJ galaxy should be. Much like the prequels offended those same OT fans with similar inflexibility on the backstory of Darth Vader and the Clone Wars.

      It’s not that the OT needs to eat shit, it’s that fans like you need to accept that someone told a story that doesn’t meet your entitled expectations. I don’t care if you like the movie or not, there’s plenty in the Star Wars pantheon that I dislike. It’s not binary.

      • December 20, 2017 at 5:50 am
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        This is the standard line of attack on anyone who doesn’t like TLJ: you don’t like it because it doesn’t fit your fanboy expectations.

        All I wanted was a good Star Wars movie. As good as TFA at least. I didn’t feel entitled to that, but I hoped for it. I didn’t have some checklist of stuff I needed to see.

        Luke could have died. Snoke could have died. Rey’s parents could have been lowly scavengers. There could have been Porgs in it. I didn’t care, as long as these elements were part of a good story that was well told.

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          Your original post tells a different tale.

    • December 20, 2017 at 4:12 pm
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      52-year-old lifelong fan here… Saw TLJ twice yesterday. I was fine with the story. It turns a few things on it’s head and shakes things up a bit. Luke’s “I’m here to save the day” years are long since over. It made sense to see him this way near the end, much like Kenobi and Yoda, in hiding, struggling with what he did wrong with Kylo Ren, and with old age. Other than the Canto Bight stuff, enjoyed it a great deal.

  • December 19, 2017 at 6:57 pm
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    I think Black Diamond may refer to the difficulty of putting the story together, like navigating a back diamond downhill course.

    • December 20, 2017 at 12:47 am
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      My thoughts exactly.

    • December 20, 2017 at 12:47 am
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      My thoughts exactly.

  • December 20, 2017 at 4:48 pm
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    Black diamond: maybe referring to the black kyber Crystal that was found in Vader’s castle. I hope JJ sticks to what he said and this episode ties all three trilogies together. That seems to be the best way to end it.

  • December 21, 2017 at 2:47 am
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    Luke Skywalker force teleports to Mortis!!! aka “Black Diamond”

    Episode 9:Legacy of the Chosen One

  • December 21, 2017 at 9:27 am
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    When I saw “Los Alamos” I thought of the Alamo, site of the famous battle where all the good guys died. Fitting either way, I guess

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