Rian Johnson and Ram Bergman Discuss the New Star Wars Trilogy with THR

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Whether you liked The Last Jedi or not, you have to agree that the movie had a very specific aesthetic look and feel, making it (at least for me) the most beautiful Star Wars movie to date. Of course we have to thank director Rian Johnson for that. Now that The Last Jedi has been finally released, Rian will get a well deserved rest, but not for too long. Back in November LFL announced that Johnson will be creating a whole new Star Wars trilogy with completely new characters and locations. For now it was confirmed that he will be directing the first movie from the new trilogy. THR caught up with Rian and his friend and producer Ram Bergman who briefly talked about this upcoming mysterious project.

 

The first thing Rian made sure to mention is that there is still no story and he is still not sure who is it going to follow.

 

From THR:

What have you learned on The Last Jedi that will help you going forward with the new trilogy?

Rian Johnson: There were so many things that were new to me, in terms of process with this. Everything from working with pre-vis for the first time to working with the heads of departments. It was a smooth process. It felt oddly comfortable, but a lot of it was new, so there was a learning curve. It will be nice coming into the next one, knowing a little bit better how a machine this big works. It was such an unknown to me, whether the size of this and the scope of it would make it a different thing than I previously knew how to do. Now that I know that’s not the case, I feel like I can come into it a little bit more without the trepidation of, “Am I going to know how to do this?” Which feels good.

 

 

Are you going to to take any time off once the launch of this movie is out of the way, or do you know when you’re going to hunker down and focus on this full time?

Johnson: We’re going to figure out the timing of the next one. We haven’t figured it out yet. I’ll say, I don’t feel like, “Oh my God, I’m exhausted, I need to sit on a beach for a month.” I feel creatively energized right now. I feel like I want to jump right into work. This whole process has left me feeling ready to jump in and do it again right away. I don’t know why. I don’t know if that’s a good sign.

Ram Bergman: Also, on most of big movies, you work and you deliver the movie literally last minute. We pretty much finished the movie in early August, so we’ve not been working really hard, except doing press here and there. We had the luxury of delivering the movie a few months earlier than usual.

 

Have you given thought to where in the Star Wars timeline this trilogy will fit? For instance, would it takes place before the Skywalker Saga or after?

Johnson: I’m at the very beginning of trying to come up with it, and honestly, timeline-wise, I’m not sure yet. In a way it’s interesting, but in a way it’s the least interesting part of it to me. I’m more thinking of what’s the story going to be, who is it going to follow? What elements is it going to have? What kind of drama is in it? My head right now is more in that place. I haven’t really, really gotten into it. Right now I’m mostly excited by the potential and just starting to form little clusters of ideas of what it might become.

 

As you can see, there is not much info here, but it’s cool to know that Rian is already willing to dive right back in the galaxy far, far away. I couldn’t agree more with him that the time period during which the new trilogy will take place is not as important as the actual story. And Rian is a great storyteller. Looking forward to this.

 

 

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173 thoughts on “Rian Johnson and Ram Bergman Discuss the New Star Wars Trilogy with THR

  • December 19, 2017 at 12:58 am
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    Rian, just tell me: will the mentor of the hero of the new trilogy die in the first movie, like Obi wan and Qui gon Jinn , in the second like Luke, or in the third like Yoda? AAANND, will the mentor of evil be sliced in the middle in which movie?

    • December 19, 2017 at 1:49 am
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      Who cares? As long as each film is filled with interesting characters, drama and consequence.

      • December 19, 2017 at 2:17 am
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        At least someone gets it…

  • December 19, 2017 at 1:27 am
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    I hope he writes and directs all films of that trilogy, so it would feel like a whole, coherent, logical, well built story. It really seems to me that he didn’t like where TFA left the story and the whole mystery box thing, and that’s why TLJ felt not so well connected to TFA.

  • December 19, 2017 at 1:34 am
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    Assuming if even gets to do it

    • December 19, 2017 at 1:39 am
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      BoxOfficeMojo answers this question for you.

    • December 19, 2017 at 1:46 am
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      Uuuuuuhh, yeah he’s going to get to do it. He just made a movie that will be one of the highest grossing movies of all time and a majority of people think it’s great.

      • December 19, 2017 at 2:03 am
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        One of the highest grossing movies of all time? Sure. Majority of people think it’s great? Not even close. there seems to be a pretty even split of SW fans who liked and disliked TLJ. Personally, as much as I didn’t like TLJ, I don’t have a problem with Johnson getting his own Trilogy. Hopefully, with a whole new story and all new characters, he can do what he wants creatively without so much backlash.

        • December 19, 2017 at 5:52 am
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          “Majority of people think it’s great? Not even close. there seems to be a pretty even split of SW fans who liked and disliked TLJ. ”

          Based on what? What is a “Star Wars fan” and how does that compare to the overall audience?

        • December 19, 2017 at 5:52 am
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          “Majority of people think it’s great? Not even close. there seems to be a pretty even split of SW fans who liked and disliked TLJ. ”

          Based on what? What is a “Star Wars fan” and how does that compare to the overall audience?

          • December 19, 2017 at 6:44 am
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            What is a Star Wars fan? Probably one who is a fan of Star Wars. I went and saw Justice League when it came out, I wouldn’t consider myself a fan of DC though, as I don’t know a whole lot about the DC universe. That’s not to say that the casual movie goers opinion is any less important than the SW diehards. My “proof” simply lies in the comment boards on various websites talking about TLJ. My only point being that the people who seem to generally have a problem with the movie are also the people who know more beyond just the SW movies. Certainly there are the hardcore fans that did enjoy this movie, and that’s totally fine too! I’m not going to sit here and say this movie killed Star Wars for me, because it totally didn’t. I just didn’t like it. However, I do enjoy talking to other people about the movie to get their perspective, because I find it interesting, and honestly I just enjoy talking SW.

          • December 19, 2017 at 6:58 am
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            The reason I asked the question is because I was trying to figure out if you were making a distinction between your two statements when you used “people” first, then “fans.” I would say by reading fan sites you might get a feel for Star Wars fans’ like/dislike split, but you have to take into account that people tend to be much more vocal about what they dislike than what they like. Reading fan sites is not going to give you much at all in terms of the overall audience reaction.

          • December 19, 2017 at 7:07 am
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            Yeah, I can agree with what you’re saying there. People do tend to be more vocal about things that they dislike. To be honest, I was too young when the prequels came out to know what the fan backlash looked like then, but I know those movies were also put under a similar microscope as this one.

      • December 19, 2017 at 3:08 am
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        They could have hired a director off of the street and the opening weekend would have had the same numbers. Disney is putting to much faith fans will blindly turn out for the movie. The Last Jedi just changed that.

        • December 19, 2017 at 4:28 am
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          Would a Star Wars film that audiences don’t like made a lot of money? Yes. Would it have made $240 million? No. The strong numbers through Sunday depended on word of mouth and repeat viewings.

          I keep hearing disappointed Star Wars fans speaking for everyone and it’s obnoxious. I’m a lifelong fan and I couldn’t be happier that The Last Jedi subverted everyone’s expectations. Fans will stop showing up when LUCASFILM makes A New Hope for the eighth time.

          Someone finally made a smart Star Wars film and a certain segment of the fan base has lost their shit. It’s simultaneously hilarious and depressing.

  • December 19, 2017 at 1:38 am
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    It’s not very important — in the scheme of things — but I found it interesting that two of the design-pillars of the last 5 films (I-III/Rogue/VII), Doug Chiang and Ryan Church, aren’t in the Art Department credits for The Last Jedi. Taking nothing away from their incredible contributions over the years, I think this omission has something to do with the beautiful fresh aesthetic of TLJ. The Raddus’ gimbaled bridge chair might be my favorite Star Wars anything.

    • December 19, 2017 at 2:01 am
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      It is beautiful… if only it was coherent.

  • December 19, 2017 at 2:01 am
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    It’s a simple equation. Either Kylo parishes in the last film, taking the Skywalker bloodline with him. Or he lives to be redeemed, falls in love w/ Rey and the family continues.

    • December 19, 2017 at 2:06 am
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      Disney are determined to wipe out the Skywalkers and the OT. Old = bad, failure, Young = flawless, competent.

      • December 19, 2017 at 2:49 am
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        Let them die. How many generations of this family do we need to see go through the same damn story over and over again?

        • December 19, 2017 at 2:50 am
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          Exactly! Disney are looking to take the franchise forward.

          • December 19, 2017 at 3:06 am
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            For 3 movies and then we get to repeat this in Episode 10. If there is one thing I have learned on this site, characters only get 3 movies.

          • December 19, 2017 at 3:16 am
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            If there is another trilogy after 9 (I’m not yet convinced there will be), they won’t make the same mistake of waiting 30 years until the next chapter. That’s the main reason why they had to bring in a new generation of leading characters. Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, and Carrie Fisher were far too old to carry on the same role from the OT. If they wait 10 years, Rey, Finn and Poe can be the big 3 of this new trilogy.

          • December 19, 2017 at 3:25 am
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            The age has nothing to do with it. If they would have based Episode 7 with an already established Jedi Academy it would have been no different then the teachers in Harry Potter. The older characters pop in and out and they could have done it right and slowly introduced new characters over 3 movies. I don’t remember anyone saying Darth Sidious or Count Dooku were too old and Dooku last 3 movies. There is no reason other than JJ’s ego, that this scenario could not have worked.

          • December 19, 2017 at 3:43 am
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            Ok. Let’s say your right.

            Harrisson Ford only came back on the condition his character was killed off.

            Then Carrie passed away.

            That leaves Mark Hamill. If they wait 10 years after Episode IX is released, Mark Hamill would be 78.

            As much as I love Mark Hamill, he’s no Christopher Lee. Lee lived until he was 93, and continued acting until his death. I’m not so sure Hamill has the longevity of Lee.

            Lee was an exceptional individual, his life story is fascinating.

          • December 19, 2017 at 4:43 am
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            When I see Hamill in interviews with his heavy breathing and sometimes shaky hands I’m not sure he’s even going to make it to 9 (if he is indeed in it)

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:16 am
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            Yeah, his health has never seemed to be his priority. Would break my heart to see him go.

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:10 am
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            I have never heard he wanted to be killed of other than during Empire.

            I would not of had as big of a problem with mark doing the becoming one with the force thing, if it was at the end of 9.

          • December 19, 2017 at 3:11 am
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            By trashing the past… forgive me if I find that distasteful.

          • December 19, 2017 at 3:16 am
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            The Jedi deserve to be trashed. Their gross incompetence ruined everything.

          • December 19, 2017 at 3:18 am
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            Lol.

          • December 19, 2017 at 3:30 am
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            And Luke, Leia and Han’s legacy deserves to be trashed?

          • December 19, 2017 at 3:56 am
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            They aren’t. The Empire was defeated and Vader was redeemed. Nothing about that has changed. 30 years of peace followed, until another threat arose. Evil can be temporarily defeated, but it never goes away for good. Just like in real life.

          • December 19, 2017 at 4:58 am
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            Whatever…. I’m truly glad you enjoyed it… but please understand many other fans are thoroughly disappointed and their thoughts are just as legitimate as yours. I was looking forward to this film so much and having Rian Johnson on board was incredible. I had no doubts at all until the film actually played and then despair set in.

          • December 19, 2017 at 6:50 am
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            I understand completely. Fans wanted the safe and predictable outcome, and Rian Johnson dared to do the unexpected. Fans hate when anyone tries to break the rules. They like fan service movies like Rogue One. Some of us, however, are looking for something beyond the same old formula.

          • December 19, 2017 at 6:55 am
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            Sigh… That’s not it at all. If anything these movies, TFA and TLJ, are not unpredictable enough. Despite what you think, this is really a retread of the OT and that’s what is most tiresome. But sure keep telling yourself you are edgy because you think these films are wildly different from what has come before.

          • December 19, 2017 at 6:55 am
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            Sigh… That’s not it at all. If anything these movies, TFA and TLJ, are not unpredictable enough. Despite what you think, this is really a retread of the OT and that’s what is most tiresome. But sure keep telling yourself you are edgy because you think these films are wildly different from what has come before.

          • December 19, 2017 at 7:21 am
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            Not unpredictable enough? Nonsense.
            In reading theories and rumors about this film for two years NO ONE ANYWHERE guessed a single thing correctly.
            TFA was predictable. TLJ was not.
            And while you can compare themes and “rhymes” with previous films it is most certainly not a retread.

          • December 19, 2017 at 8:32 am
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            How in the world is what happened in this movie the same as in Empire? Of course it was completely unpredictable. That’s why you have the fanboy outrage. Rian defied all their expectations about what Luke would be, what would happen to Snoke, who Rey’s parents were and so forth. Are you saying that you saw all of that coming?

          • December 19, 2017 at 7:17 am
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            ^bingo

          • December 19, 2017 at 7:14 am
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            Trashed?

            Luke’s legacy: legendary mythic hero. Becomes an Immortal force spirit.
            Han’s: legendary rebel hero and smuggler. Saved the galaxy a couple times.
            Leia’s: legendary heroic leader of the rebellion and resistance.

            Can we stop the simplistic critical hyperbole now?

          • December 19, 2017 at 7:25 am
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            Look, in the end of the day we all have our opinions. And all they are opinions. Subjective. We can keep spinning around in circles. Many people are disappointed that the OT heroes lives ended the way they did. And many people are quite satisfied in that ending. Neither side is ultimately wrong.

            And their is nothing simplistic about my criticisms. They are perfectly legitimate. There is no rifhgt or wrong… only opinion.

            Again, I am truly glad you enjoyed it but why someone saying they didn’t can make you so angry is beyond me.

        • December 19, 2017 at 3:02 am
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          The point is it didn’t need to be the same story. Instead we have basically a rehash of the OT only with a supposedly ‘better’ younger generation.

        • December 19, 2017 at 3:05 am
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          I feel the same way about the new characters. Can’t wait for Episode 10 when we get to watch them all die.

          • December 19, 2017 at 3:15 am
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            Episode 10 shouldn’t be made.

    • December 19, 2017 at 5:55 am
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      All unquestionably lame choice, especially in light of this movie.

  • December 19, 2017 at 2:11 am
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    The whole ST is designed to say the last generation were failures and incompetent while the new generation are perfect and competent. Millenials love that message.

    • December 19, 2017 at 2:41 am
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      Your statement reads like selective amnesia.

      You can substitute ST with OT, and Millenials with Generation X.

      The Jedi Order of the prequel trilogy were failures as they couldn’t detect or stop the rise of Palpatine and The Empire. Obi-Wan could not stop Anakin from going to the dark side. While the new generation of Luke, Han, and Leia were perfect and competent by blowing up 2 Death Stars, turning Vader back to the light and ending the Empire.

      • December 19, 2017 at 3:10 am
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        But Luke, Leia and Han went through so many trials for what end? Failure, disappointment. Whereas Rey faces no real trial or believable challenge. In ESB Luke is both emotionally and physically injured. He grows from that encounter with Vader and becomes stronger. Rey gets things far too easily… very attractive to the youth of today who disdain hard work and training.

        • December 19, 2017 at 3:12 am
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          Her struggle was her abandonment and horrible upbringing. Luke grew up in a stable home with two foster parents that cared for him. Rey lived in a pile of junk were she had to bust her ass every day for a packet of powdered bread. She’s had no easy ride.

          • December 19, 2017 at 3:29 am
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            That still doesn’t explain her unbelievably rapid rise to power. That’s just lazy writing.

          • December 19, 2017 at 3:51 am
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            See Anakin Skywalker. A nine-year old slave child who had the engineering prowess of an MIT professor, the racing skills of Jeff Gordon who could destroy a spaceship from the inside and save an entire planet from an invasion force.

          • December 19, 2017 at 3:53 am
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            Yippee .

            … and partial to performing spinning, “That’s a neat trick”.

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:02 am
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            I never mentioned the prequels. Not really a good comparison.

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:51 am
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            It’s Star Wars canon, isn’t it? I don’t remember anyone complaining about baby Anakin and his miraculous abilities.

          • December 19, 2017 at 6:59 am
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            Eh… a lot of people did at the time. Although that was the least of that film’s problems. Personally I always liked the idea that Anakin was just a skilled Jedi that was swayed to the Dark Side, none of this Chosen One, Messiah bollocks… but as you say it’s canon. None of that was in the OT.

          • December 19, 2017 at 7:26 am
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            It’s absolutely an apt comparison. All Precedents set in all previous films must be taken into consideration when evaluating the last Jedi.

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:08 am
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            Blowing up a ship on accident vs. dismantling trained guards is 2 different things.

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:50 am
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            He escapes an exploding ship after hitting it’s reactor with proton torpedoes. He builds advanced, jet-propelled vehicles and then defeats seasoned podracers. He builds complicated humanoid droids. All before getting his first pube. But Rey beats a couple of guards and lifts some rocks in the air and that’s just unacceptable in our movies about magic space wizards with glow swords. OK.

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:57 am
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            But Anakin’s last name is Skywalker! If she was Rey Skywalker, everything would be perfectly fine. Because force powers are hereditary. Just like accents.

          • December 19, 2017 at 6:22 am
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            They’re not the same. It’s one thing if he just did all that for the first time. He already new how to pod race. He had been working with elecronics all his life. I mean he had a job fixing electronics. And maybe the force enhances the learning curve. But you can not say the same for Rey. I have read all her books and none of them had her doing fight training. She never learned how to fly? How did she outrun tie fighters? How did she know how to do the jedi mind trick? And she didn’t just beat one guard she beat 2 or 3 of them. Kylo couldn’t even beat the last one on his own.

          • December 19, 2017 at 6:40 am
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            You’re right. It’s not the same. Anakin’s abilities are much more far fetched and miraculous than Rey’s. A nine year old child cannot learn advanced jet propulsion engineering or robotics tinkering around in a junk shop, or in any other setting for that matter. A nine year old is not going to learn how to pilot podracers through canyons and caves or starfighters through spaceship interiors, win podraces and defeat experienced racers. The nine year old child is not developed enough cognitively or physically to be able to do anything like that. Rey says in The Force Awakens that she has flown ships before. We see her pilot a speeder that she presumably uses every day through heaps of wreckage. If Anakin’s abilities were being helped by the force, then why couldn’t Rey’s as well?

          • December 19, 2017 at 7:08 am
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            No, it’s lazy analysis.

        • December 19, 2017 at 3:17 am
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          I’m sorry but I still think the same. It seems you complain again about the fact the development of the story didn’t went as you wanted. Life is life: sometimes even if you fight you won’t get the things perfect. You can try the best with this girl or boy you love, but she/he may never come, you can do your best are your studies and you won’t arrive till where you want, but there is always hope. And this movie shows how I new generation will keep fighting for the same Luke, Leia, Obi Wan and Yoda did. And about Rey… with great power comes great responsability… she was not that perfect… she almost fall in the Kylo/Snoke trap… and we don’t know how will affect to her the news about their parents and the weird relation with Kylo Ren…

          • December 19, 2017 at 3:39 am
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            If the film could at least show her close to failing or struggling in her quest…. her character would be more believable. It’s the same problem they have with nuTrek where Kirk leaps from cadet to Captain with little effort. And frankly seeing my heroes lives destroyed for a less coherent rehash of the OT is disappointing and depressing.

        • December 19, 2017 at 3:28 am
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          Rey had a much harsher life than Luke. Luke was raised by a loving family, in a sheltered environment, and had his entire future mapped out for him after meeting Obi-Wan.

          Rey was abandoned by her parents from a very young age. Forced into the life of a scavenger, and just looking for a sense of belonging.

          In TFA, my favourite character was Rey, in The Last Jedi, my favourite character was Luke.

          There’s room to love them both.

        • December 19, 2017 at 4:11 am
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          I don’t see how you can make this determination without seeing the final instalment.

          Besides, the new Rebellion is all but a whisper and she has the small matter of a new Empire, run by the grandson of the most powerful Sith if all time, to contend with. Hardly getting off easily.

          With your talk of millennials I can only assume you are from my generation. The OT generation. I personally think our generation needs to stop viewing the OT through rose tinted glasses, because as long as you do you’re never going to be happy with what they make now (which has a hard enough job trying to live up to the originals as it is).

          • December 19, 2017 at 4:53 am
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            I’m also tainted by the reaction of my own young son to TLJ. After the excitement of TFA he was thoroughly disappointed with TLJ and how it treated his favourite Star Wars character, Luke Skywalker. We both left the theatre dumbfounded.

          • December 19, 2017 at 7:07 am
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            My 6 1/2 year old son and 9 year old daughter loved it. After the kid force grabbed the broom and lifted his “saber” to the stars and the credits rolled my boy yelled “that was a great movie!!” I was secretly taking pictures of him watching. He was literally on the edge of his seat the whole time. It was beautiful.

          • December 19, 2017 at 7:12 am
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            I’m truly glad your kids enjoyed it. But not everyone’s did despite being virtually raised on Star Wars.

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:00 am
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            And for the record I was looking forward to this tremendously. I had every faith in Rian Johnson.

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:06 am
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            She already beat him once.

          • December 19, 2017 at 9:58 am
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            Luke already blew up a death star once by the time of ROTJ!

        • December 19, 2017 at 6:59 am
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          Yeah, Young girl surviving on her own for years, toiling in the inhospitable desert, looking for salvage, working her hands to the bone for scraps of food.

          Sweet life.

          Eyeroll.

          • December 19, 2017 at 7:10 am
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            So that automatically makes her uber-talented in the Force why? I meant the challenges on screen, the journey on screen during the movie. Because she has a hard life on Jakku does that mean she earns her powers in the Force? Her progression on screen is silly and could have been written better.
            Eye roll right back at you, friend.

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:03 pm
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            Well, maybe we still have to wait for a the next movie to see if there is a special reason… could be an option

    • December 19, 2017 at 2:48 am
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      Of course they screwed up. The Jedi were incompetent fools to allow Palpatine to take over despite a million obvious clues what he was up to. They stupidly allowed the training of Anakin for no reason, despite their own warnings of grave danger.

    • December 19, 2017 at 5:54 am
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      Exactly. These hipsters are patting themselves on the back, we killed Skywalker. Yay us. Never mind fans expected him to be handled in a way that respects who he is.

      • December 19, 2017 at 6:53 am
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        “Fans expected”

        Eyeroll.

  • December 19, 2017 at 2:17 am
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    Regardless of TLJ, I am curious as to what Rian Johnson has planned. Admittly, TLJ, much as I enjoyed it, kind of burned me for Star Wars, namely in the ST. So hopefully, the standalones and non-Saga films can rekindle that spirit.

    My only hope is that Rian Johnson gets some serious help when drafting the trilogy and will have learned some valuable lessons from TLJ. For much as I enjoyed the film, it had a lot less consistency. Hence, my hope is that he is directing ALL of them.

    Also, on a side note: can we get a SWs character who is an alien? Torghutta or even a Chiss? Or maybe a new species of alien? Heck, I don’t even care if they are male or female, but given how this is a galaxy far far away, it’s really sad how both Legends and the New Canon haven’t really touched on that.

    • December 19, 2017 at 3:04 am
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      Not sure if you played Battlefront 2, but Shrivis a cool character.

    • December 19, 2017 at 3:04 am
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      Not sure if you played Battlefront 2, but Shrivis a cool character.

      • December 19, 2017 at 3:43 am
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        He’s awesome. I absolutely adore him and want to see more of him. But yeah, can we get more characters like that who are aliens? For example, I always had a great idea for a Star Wars Noir TV series/ book.

        It is inspired by Coruscant Nights books and follows a Kifar male or female who is an ex-Jedi and is a Private Investigator. We’ll say it takes place during the PT era, but really you could place it during the Dark times.

        Something like that. Because, that also adds a unique perspective on the brand. I get why the OT never did this. Acting in makeup is tough and especially putting it on for various shoots is hard. Just look at how long, Dave Baustisa, Zoe Saldana and even JLaw have to endure for their parts in Guardians and X-men, respectively?

        But to me that is worth it.

        • December 19, 2017 at 5:04 am
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          Sign me up for anything with a Twi’lek. They must have gone extinct cause I have not seen one in the ST.

  • December 19, 2017 at 4:39 am
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    If the box office for TLJ starts to tank and it ultimately falls short of what Disney expects, what are the chances they take this trilogy away from RJ?

  • December 19, 2017 at 4:39 am
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    If the box office for TLJ starts to tank and it ultimately falls short of what Disney expects, what are the chances they take this trilogy away from RJ?

    • December 19, 2017 at 5:02 am
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      I was at the gym today and The Jumanji trailer came on. And I was like, this looks like a fun movie that will attract a lot of the general audience. You almost wonder if the people over at Columbia pictures got early word on The Last Jedi and was like, oh really. As much as people on here want to deny people want to see Luke, it’s true. And when word gets out about Luke which it already has, does a person that just wants to see Luke Skywalker really want to go? We shall see.

      • December 19, 2017 at 5:58 am
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        Luke Skywalker is in The Last Jedi… lol

        • December 19, 2017 at 6:22 am
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          Is he?

        • December 19, 2017 at 9:44 am
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          WIerd, I could of swore hey mixed Yoda and Kenobi and called it Bold.

    • December 19, 2017 at 8:21 am
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      Disney is not the pne deciding this, for the trillionth time. It is Kathleen Kennedy and Lucasfilm’s heads who decide

      • December 19, 2017 at 9:42 am
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        Then explain why J.J. just pitched the script idea for nine to Disney? Did his pitch to Kathleen make the news? Seems to me that’s a clear indication at least at this point Disney is stepping in. Who can blame them.

      • December 19, 2017 at 10:31 am
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        Disney IS deciding this. Kathleen IS the head of Lucasfilm, who reports to Bob Iger, CEO of DISNEY

  • December 19, 2017 at 5:13 am
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    “And Rian is a great storyteller. ”

    Is he, though? In TLJ, who’s the main protagonist? I want to say Rey, because she has the most screen time, but she’s too far removed from the central storyline. It’s not her decisions or actions that lead us from act to act.

    In TFA, Rey has a very structured adventure. Her decision to leave Jakku to help BB8 takes us from the first act to the second, and her abduction by Kylo Ren takes us from the second act to the third. The big moment in the final act? That’s all hers. Her showdown with Kylo Ren.

    In TLJ, she stays on Ahch-to for half the movie before finally making a decision that propels her story. She ends up having an epic showdown with Kylo Ren and Snoke … but it takes place, inexplicably, at the end of the SECOND act. That leaves her with little to do in the final act. The big moment in that final act? That’s given to Luke. And here I thought this new trilogy was supposed to be about the newbies.

    My biggest problem with TLJ isn’t the characterizations or story choices. It’s basic story structure. It’s kind of a mess.

  • December 19, 2017 at 5:13 am
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    “And Rian is a great storyteller. ”

    Is he, though? In TLJ, who’s the main protagonist? I want to say Rey, because she has the most screen time, but she’s too far removed from the central storyline. It’s not her decisions or actions that lead us from act to act.

    In TFA, Rey has a very structured adventure. Her decision to leave Jakku to help BB8 takes us from the first act to the second, and her abduction by Kylo Ren takes us from the second act to the third. The big moment in the final act? That’s all hers. Her showdown with Kylo Ren.

    In TLJ, she stays on Ahch-to for half the movie before finally making a decision that propels her story. She ends up having an epic showdown with Kylo Ren and Snoke … but it takes place, inexplicably, at the end of the SECOND act. That leaves her with little to do in the final act. The big moment in that final act? That’s given to Luke. And here I thought this new trilogy was supposed to be about the newbies.

    My biggest problem with TLJ isn’t the characterizations or story choices. It’s basic story structure. It’s kind of a mess.

    • December 19, 2017 at 5:32 am
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      It’s more complicated than TFA, but it’s far from a mess. The ending is fairly tidy with all the characters ending up on the Falcon together.

    • December 19, 2017 at 6:52 am
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      No, it isn’t.

  • December 19, 2017 at 5:51 am
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    Please Disney, put you foot down on the Hipsters ruining Star Wars. Johnson has done enough damage. Can we have a story that doesn’t try so hard to crap on OT memories, while mirroring them.

    40 years after A New Hope, the galaxy is full circle.

    1. The Empire rules with an iron fist with the fall of the Republic.

    2. A band of rebels are the only hope, including one…

    3. untrained wanna be Jedi. One whose literally no one.

    THATS BOLD, WOW. WAIT, THAT WASNT BOLD WAS IT. Here is the boldness!

    4. Luke is a life long failure. Fails to protect the galaxy. Fails to protect his Order. Travels the galaxy looking for Jedi books and artifacts, fails to read them.

    5. Discover first temple, but decided to ignore it while a drink looking Yoda burns it with no info on what it was. He went to the First Jedi temple to shut himself off the force and learn nothing. That was dumb, knowing a map existed. He should have went to an uncharted world and drank himself to death. Found space girls and
    Ivedbw

    Luke is a chump, a loser. Apparently only worthy of garbage time minutes.

    Rey, appeared to be something truly special in 7; but nope, she’s money for drunks who die on Jakku. Inspiring. Never seen thatsYay, she gets to make Kylo fall in love using her fem to save the galaxy.

    Who cares if she lives or dies. A great evil did exist, but not great enough to see through the ploy of one Sithlight.

    Yes, this was a bold new direction! I mean who could have predicted fan being divided.

  • December 19, 2017 at 5:59 am
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    DID Johnson at all realized people waited decades to see Luke and he crapped all over him, was that the point. Make Luke an failure joke. But he dissapered like Yoda and We’ve never see that before.

    • December 19, 2017 at 6:27 am
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      The point was that Luke was human all along. Not a perfect hero. The safe, predictable thing was to make him hero again to appease fanboys. He did something a lot more interesting than that.

      • December 19, 2017 at 7:31 am
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        he went from last hope Luke to no hope Luke…..no thanks!

        • December 19, 2017 at 8:22 am
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          Seems like by the end of the movie he had plenty of hope in Rey.

          • December 19, 2017 at 9:41 am
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            Really, why, because she walked away from Ben without getting in bed with him. Bravo! He was out on the ground, stab him in his dome. Rey as a character makes no sense.

          • December 19, 2017 at 3:45 pm
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            I guess…but who cares at that point. Luke, what a missed opportunity to use….couldve been epic! Oh well….

      • December 19, 2017 at 7:53 am
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        I can understand your point. Being fully aware that Star Wars is fictional, I was completely fine with and really enjoyed Luke being the quintessential hero. I didn’t need him to be an imperfect one, there are plenty of those in real life, and I don’t have to suffer through watching porgs to see them lol

      • December 19, 2017 at 9:39 am
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        He is not a regular human, that’s the point. I can think of a thousand unpredictable things to have Luke do that don’t involve appeasing hipsters who think Bold is doing what others don’t.

    • December 19, 2017 at 6:51 am
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      Huh?

      Luke saved his friends and the resistance with the greatest Jedi mind trick ever. Then became immortal. Literally and figuratively.

      • December 19, 2017 at 9:38 am
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        Greatest Jedi mind trick ever. Ok, except Snoke had just pulled a similar trick over and over again. And he saved a few friends and some nobodies. And 30 years and two movies and a Jedi mind trick from Luke that only gets the plot back to where it was at the end of A New Hope. Wow!

        Luke’s entire life is one failure after another. He almost does good things. Almost stops the Empire. Almost trains Jedi. Almost collects Jedi artifacts. Yet doesn’t even read them.

        Luke sucks, and the new Luke appears to want to suck the new Darth Vader.

      • December 19, 2017 at 5:26 pm
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        “He saved his ‘friends’.” Yet another stupid plot point. Sits on an island for years – lets the New Order build up and kill the entire republic – blowing up entire planets. Then, for some reason, force-projects himself to death to save 5 guys in a cave. Makes sense.

    • December 19, 2017 at 8:32 am
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      The finaly to a Star Wars film and Luke was a Jedi mind trick…whoop…He didn’t even leave the island or use his light sabre…30 year wait was a major let down for many

  • December 19, 2017 at 7:38 am
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    Luke has 900 year old Yoda trained by whills to win for all-time once he’s a ghost, obi -wan ghost, back from Dark side Anakin force ghost after Luke brings him back to the light…..and he fails?????? He thinks about killing Ben???? TFA was an admitted rehash by Abrahms, I had hope Johnson would enrich TFA….instead it finished the new sequel and SW. A new hope Luke to no hope luke…..nope!

    sale it back to George please, let’s start prequels over!

    • December 19, 2017 at 8:41 pm
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      Lucas got rid of it because of whiney fanboy hate. What makes you think he’d want it back?!

      • December 19, 2017 at 9:04 pm
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        sarcasm….but any small production company minus Disney.

  • December 19, 2017 at 7:52 am
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    RJ is the proper heir to SW. He gets it so well, and is a brilliant filmmaker. I feel bad for the folks who didn’t like it. I think TLJ is a masterpiece, and can’t wait to see where RJ and LFL take Star Wars from here.

    • December 19, 2017 at 9:33 am
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      MY guess, they borrow heavily from the PT, change a few details, call it bold, and be snarky to fans. But yes, it’s theirs now, and that’s too bad because they are clueless and are seemingly working in opposition.

  • December 19, 2017 at 7:55 am
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    Most uninteresting article ever

    • December 19, 2017 at 5:37 pm
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      In that interview, Rian says, “We were working off of The Force Awakens, but it’s not like there was a blueprint for what happens after The Force Awakens. There wasn’t at all.”

      People do not go to Star Wars because it is a beautiful film–they go first and foremost because of the story. And with this trilogy there apparently isn’t one.

  • December 19, 2017 at 8:57 am
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    While I’m definitely leaning towards not liking it… I don’t suddenly hate Rian. Now that he’s free of the saga his movies may flow together better. Especially since now he can pre plan it and not just throw it together. I will say TLJ now makes me feel more negatively towards TFA. That movie was centered around the mysteries. Getting those answers were key. Apparently we’ll never get those answers/he cut them to the quick as unimportant.

    Over all it went from (IMO) some very interesting characters to… let’s just get them out of the way now.

    • December 19, 2017 at 5:18 pm
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      Same. I’m disappointed in this movie and him, for even amid his other movies, this I argue is his weakest film. Even Brothers Bloom, I found was more cohesive. But really, I will admit that if the BO for second weekend is big enough and this disagreement is heard.

      I sadly see RJ being removed. And LucasFilm needing to take some much needed introspection. But maybe for the latter that isn’t the bad thing.

      Remember, what Yoda said: “In Failure, we learn our greatest lesson”. So I can see this setback being a good thing in the long run.

    • December 19, 2017 at 3:56 pm
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      This guy liked and praised TFA he is not a movie reviewer… i hope he stick to games. maybe the disney check didnt cash out this time

      • December 19, 2017 at 5:04 pm
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        Doesn’t change there valid points.

      • December 19, 2017 at 5:04 pm
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        Doesn’t change there valid points.

        • December 19, 2017 at 5:16 pm
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          This is by far Joe’s best breakdown. And yeah, I do agree with plenty of these points for while I enjoyed the movie(75/100), I find it disappointing in the sense that it is a poor followup to The Force Awakens.

          And as someone who didn’t like The Force Awakens, I still do think that RJ should have humored JJ’s setup and not been so flippant. As much as I didn’t care for that setup. Hence, why I didn’t bother me all that much.

          Really, Episode Nine, I can see is being some major damage control. Depending on the second opening weekend, I can see RJ sadly being ousted and JJ basically being Force persuaded by LucasFIlm to make a much safer movie.

          I hope not. While I don’t mind the movie going back to basics, I think there is a middle ground where it can be like that, but also continue off of The Last Jedi.

          Needless to say, I feel like Obi-wan towards Anakin. 🙂

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:28 pm
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            It was nice to be able to laugh about it. JJ needs to take a serious look at Bendu’s power to disappear and reappear in the force and use that for Luke and Snoke. I know I am not alone in saying I have no interest in 9 as it stands.

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:55 pm
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            Same. I felt like TLJ wrapped up so much that really I’m more curious about Nine and less excited. It is weird because The Force Awakens irritated me, but left me excited for TLJ. Here, I’m like “Okay, Nine’s coming out, I guess.”.

            Really, JJ Abrams in my view has his work cut out for him. This movie, beyond just the banal divisiveness that has occurred within the fandom, has really made its impact and a nasty one too. And I cannot say I blame those people. This is a challenging movie and in all honesty, it depended on expectations.

            For me, I was super modest on them, despite liking RJ, and yeah I enjoyed this movie on a thematic level and character level to a degree. But really, I do say: that this movie did way too much. It needed to be more condensed and focused. ESB, knew this and really that movie’s screenplay was super tight. An outlier, but even something like ROTJ, which had a lot of dragging elements, felt more focused than this movie.

            Overall, as a standalone, it is great. As a continuation, it’s a mixed bag.

            Regardless, I have mapped out two situations I can see LF doing IF TLJ doesn’t perform well during its second or third BO weekend.

            1) They get rid of RJ and retool Episode Nine completely to play it safe: Much as I’d hate to see RJ go, Kathleen Kennedy so far has been willing to rid of anyone who doesn’t line up with her vision/ could be a loose end.

            And Episode Nine I can see as being a very, very safe movie. To where, I could see Lando coming back and even luke Skywalker just being more prevalent as a Force Ghost.

            2) RJ stays but is moderated by LF and Nine is retooled to be more middle ground and the Story Group is reworked:

            If TLJ’s box office is consistent beyond its opening weekend, I can see RJ doing his new trilogy but is given more supervision this time around.

            Episode Nine would be safer, but it wouldn’t be too safe. it would carry some elements of TLJ and really would pander to the fans of Luke who were disappointed by perhaps bringing him back to life.

            Regardless, LF in my view needs to take a deep, hard look at themselves. For yeah, I enjoyed this movie, a lot. This isn’t me joining the hatewagon. But really, they cannot be so flippant going forward. For the honeymoon for Star Wars, beyond just the hardcore fans, is over.

          • December 20, 2017 at 7:38 pm
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            I disagree, it’s just a mediocre movie, with dumb juvenile humour ruining dramatic scenes; two weak villains, Kylo’s tantrums got old two years ago and Snoke was cartoonish and wasted.

            I didn’t like what they did to Luke, it was contrived and out of character, but they should not resurrect him, that would be worse. He will probably appear as a force ghost or talk to Rey like Obi-Wan did with him, that’s enough IMO.

            Regarding the future, the next trilogy won’t be as successful, how successful is hard to say, but sooner or later, people will get tired of SW too, nothing lasts forever.

          • December 19, 2017 at 6:08 pm
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            And I can’t blame you, man. I have little interest in Episode Nine and am more curious. As for bringing Luke and Snoke back, it CAN work. But you need to be really, really, really smart about how you approach.

            Hence, why I say: JJ Abrams DO NOT write this at all. Don’t even do it. Get a good quality Screenwriter with you and heck, take three years if need be. Push the movie further back. Chris Tierio, I argue is shaky as Justice League got a mixed reception.

            Someone like David Koepp would be amazing to see.

          • December 21, 2017 at 7:48 am
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            It’s a sad feeling.

  • December 19, 2017 at 9:26 am
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    Stages of grief, I’m at anger. Hearing Johnson Shrug of fan disdain is disgusting. Admit you made poor choices.

    Everytime I try to focus on the good these details come back: Poppins Princsess makes no sense, not visually at all. Was that poor planning, poor acting, or just a goofy move. She could of created a force shield to keep her from taking damage in the explosion, but she didn’t. She got blown up, into space, and force gripped her way back. Was in the healing stage for a few hours and then it was like, I’m ok.

    But a astral use of the force killed Luke?

    • December 19, 2017 at 3:12 pm
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      The movie is awesome!

    • December 19, 2017 at 4:51 pm
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      Might I remind you there is not much in terms of gravity in space. The slightest push can take you very far. My guess is that action didn’t need much power as far as Force powers go.
      Creating a Force-shield sounds like something that would be quite draining…
      As for Luke, being able to appear to others, see, hear and affect the physical world on a planet far away from the one where you are may require a lot more power (not to mention how focused one would need to be).

      Bottom line is I don’t feel like it didn’t make sense in the Star Wars universe

      • December 19, 2017 at 5:15 pm
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        So there is no vacum in space in STar WArs?

      • December 19, 2017 at 8:38 pm
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        Perfectly true. I think it’s the execution that was a little jarring.

    • December 19, 2017 at 5:13 pm
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      This is so funny. I had to stop my self about a day after watching and went holey shit, am I going through grief right now. And what people don’t seem to understand, is that IT FUCKING SUCKS to feel this way about Star Wars. This is supposed to be an amazing time. I should have seen it 5 times by now. Just sucks.

      • December 21, 2017 at 7:47 am
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        Yup. I feel sad.

    • December 19, 2017 at 5:36 pm
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      Minimal gravity in space is also helpful when you decide to use bombers agains a Dreadnought. Bombs away!

      • December 19, 2017 at 8:37 pm
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        Too true. Visually it was good though.

    • December 19, 2017 at 6:15 pm
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      Admit you wanted safe and predictable fan service.

      • December 20, 2017 at 7:08 pm
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        Maybe you should just admit many people don’t like the movie and move on. I don’t like predictable fan service either, but the Resistance escaping and the First Order winning, was predictable and a rehash of ESB, among other things. 😉

        • December 20, 2017 at 11:26 pm
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          I admit that many people are idiots. Their hate is ridiculous and based on their own preconceptions. I am over the hate for this movie and what a bunch of neckbeard fanboys who jerk off to scenes of Darth Vader killing rebels in hallway think. So fucking stupid. They can eat my ass.

  • December 19, 2017 at 9:56 am
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    Impending announcement…

    “TomorrowJedi: A Star Wars Story Trilogy Part I – Tales of Broom Boy, The Rascally Rebel Ring Bearer”

  • December 19, 2017 at 9:56 am
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    Impending announcement…

    “TomorrowJedi: A Star Wars Story Trilogy Part I – Tales of Broom Boy, The Rascally Rebel Ring Bearer”

  • December 19, 2017 at 12:06 pm
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    I, for one, really look forward to Johnson getting to make a new ‘Star Wars’ trilogy with a bit more leg-room and less fanboy expectations.

    • December 19, 2017 at 3:29 pm
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      Absolutely, just dont call it Star Wars

    • December 19, 2017 at 3:29 pm
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      Absolutely, just dont call it Star Wars

      • December 19, 2017 at 4:53 pm
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        LOL, you’re the one defending this pile of shit. I’m fine.

        • December 19, 2017 at 4:55 pm
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          I’m not defending anything, but you are a massive child, especially as you appear to have setup a Disqus account for the sole purpose of bashing VIII. You are clearly not fine.

          BTW, is this you? https://www.change.org/u/77627956

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:02 pm
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            I’m actually a massive SW fan who was motivated to comment based on the shitiness of this movie. If you don’t want to sign the petition don’t sigh the FN petition. But you had to attack me instead. Must have hit you pretty close to the mark to get you all riled up like that. 🙂

          • December 19, 2017 at 5:04 pm
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            I’m not riled, but I know somebody who is 😉

            Is it your petition?

          • December 19, 2017 at 6:14 pm
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            What kind of grown man creates a petition to protest a movie about magical space wizards? Grow the f*** up.

      • December 19, 2017 at 5:10 pm
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        11,253 crybabies and counting.

    • December 19, 2017 at 8:35 pm
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      Don’t like a film you think is crappy? Don’t pay money and go watch it. If enough people do the same thing it hits profits.

      Of course you could sign a pointless petition that nobody is going to pay any attention to!

    • December 20, 2017 at 6:48 pm
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      I didn’t like the movie, but come on, you can’t demand they remake TLJ, that’s just ridiculous and achieves nothing, more serious criticism could be more effective, Lucasfilm really cares about what fans think. Yes, the damage is done, but you can still hope the upcoming movies and shows are better, time will tell.

  • December 19, 2017 at 4:59 pm
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    tHiS mOviE iS TeRrIbLE
    DiSNeY kILLed StAr WaRS

    • December 20, 2017 at 11:33 pm
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      Great, I guess you won’t be watching it anymore. One less clueless idiot in the fan community.

      • December 21, 2017 at 2:23 pm
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        I was actually making fun of the people saying that, hence the weird capitalization.

  • December 19, 2017 at 5:32 pm
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    Its like Rian Johnson turned in the very first, initial Last Jedi script – and everyone said – “Yeah, lets shoot it!”. No edits, no re-writes, no thinking about the massive plot holes or how to make things better. Its literally like watching a Star Wars fan-fic film written by a seventh grader.

    • December 19, 2017 at 5:43 pm
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      That’s something I noticed too. And especially compared to Looper and Brick, the screenplay just seemed too amateurish for someone like him to write it.

      Really, it honestly seemed like RJ was hoping that the characterization and the big twists were what would appeal to everyone. But hey the mystery box I think was what did him in and namely not tying things together. Hence, why I hated mystery boxes.

      • December 19, 2017 at 5:59 pm
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        Yes – and in all honesty – the mystery box problem lies on Abrams. When have his mystery boxes EVER worked out? Lost, Alias – great mysteries… but impossible to resolve with any satisfaction.

        • December 19, 2017 at 6:06 pm
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          THANK YOU ! Sorry for the caps, but I’m glad someone shares my intense dislike for this approach in Storytelling. Payoffs for these need to be sharp. And really, they are a double-edged sword in that they create theories/ speculation and as a result generate a ton of cognitive bias, centered around them.

          In other words, fans want these theories to be true and anything less is a disappointment. For me, I didn’t care because I knew that the payoff wasn’t going to be good. And now we have Episode Nine which I’m more curious than excited for how JJ is going to pull this off.

          On top of the divisiveness, JJ cannot introduce any more mysteries. He needs to present a definitive ending. Good or bad. And given his track record, he sucks when it comes to ending stuff.

    • December 21, 2017 at 7:41 am
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      That’s how I feel about all Star Wars since the prequels feels to me. Good or ba, It all feels like approved first drafts. I feel that way about the designs as well. Creatures, planets, vehicles. Heck, even the score.

  • December 20, 2017 at 1:32 am
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    To my personal tastes episode eight was absolutely perfect, and I can’t wait to enjoy it more of Mr Johnsons magic!

  • December 20, 2017 at 5:37 pm
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    I went to theater with no expectations, with a clear head, and loved TLJ. People asked for a fresh take on the saga, here you go! Whiners and complainers will never be content. JJ makes a traditional, call-back film, so called “fans” scream: “OMG, why is it so similar! Rian, save us. You’re our only hope!” Rian Johnson takes bold risks, same spoiled brats cry rivers: “OMG, why is this so different! JJ come back. You are our only hope!”

    • December 21, 2017 at 7:39 am
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      I did not dislike this movie because it was “so different.” I disliked it because I thought it was very, very poorly executed. Glad you loved it though (not being snarky).

  • December 21, 2017 at 6:29 am
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    This new trilogy is gonna be what really defines the future of Star Wars. I can see it being much much worse than the last Jedi or somehow much better. But without the sky walkers I just feel like I don’t care about Star Wars. That was what made me not like rogue one as much but now I like it a lot and kinda more than TLJ. At least we got a epic Vader scene in that.

    Luke never got to fight. Also why are they talking about this before they ever announced the third spin off movie. Why are we not getting any news about it. Maybe it really is about obi wan and that’s why he is not seen anywhere in the new movies.

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