How “Rogue One” and “Solo” Connect with Rian Johnson’s “The Last Jedi”

The Last Jedi, as directed by Rian Johnson, is proving to be a monster blockbuster box office hit. Johnson’s eighth entry into one of the most iconic franchises in cinematic history currently has a whopping 93 percent approval rating from critics counted by Rotten Tomatoes. Of the 316 reviews currently available, only 23 were not favorable. However, the fan Tomatometer gave it a 55 percent approval rating, the lowest of any Star Wars film to date. Honestly, I really don’t understand how this is possible. Despite this fact, the new installment has some moviegoers unhinged with Rian Johnson’s take on the series. Regardless of feelings, lets take a look at some things that may alter their view of the film.

 

Johnson (Looper, The Brothers Bloom), in his Star Wars directorial debut, was brought in with the task of continuing the Star Wars saga that was jump-started with J.J. Abrams’s The Force Awakens (2015). Recently, there has been a lot of concern that this movie will just repeat the story beats of The Empire Strikes Back. However, the director has put that theory to rest by staying away from anything “Empire” related. Instead he has slipped some really cool fan service from the other Star Wars films into it. In fact, there are several references that we’re still finding out….

 

 

One Star Wars fan recently pointed out on social media (via EW), that Rogue One: A Star Wars Story contained a throwaway reference to a plot point in Johnson’s The Last Jedi. If you’ve ever had the joy of watching the film, then you’ll surely remember the important database scene! In it, Jyn Erso is surfing through the Empire’s database on the planet Scarif when she mentions several projects in the works that include a “hyperspace tracking, navigational systems,”. This appears to be the same method the First Order used to track the Resistance in the The Last Jedi. It also seems that the First Order has been working on and refining old Empire technology.

 

Lucasfilm Story Group Creative Executive Pablo Hidalgo recently tweeted a response to a fans hyperspace Easter egg theory with a “Ah-yup.”

 

 

Hidalgo also clarified the Tweet, stating that the hyperspace tracking came from the Tarkin Initiative, a secret Imperial think tank. “If something doesn’t seem, on the surface, to move the plot forward, try looking at what it might be doing to character.”

 

 

 

 

“No…there is another…” – Yoda, The Empire Strikes Back

 

 

Johnson seems to be fond of adding Easter eggs to his The Last Jedi film. In fact, there’s still one more potential Easter egg from a film that has yet to be released. The film, titled Solo: A Star Wars Story an upcoming space Western film centered on the story of a young Han Solo and his early adventures. In Johnson’s The Last Jedi Luke enters the Millennium Falcon and quickly snatches up some golden dice, that end up being a reminder “that not everything that is gone is truly lost”.

 

So what’s up with the Golden Dice? Recently, Hidalgo spoke about them in a Vanity Fair interview.

 

“The story that you would hear if you traveled to cantinas or watering holes around the Star Wars galaxy is that those dice were involved in a game of Corellian Spike — a dice-using version of a card game called sabacc,” Hidalgo said. “Rumor has it Han won the Millennium Falcon with those dice. Whether or not that’s just bar talk, I can’t say.”

 

While it sounds like Hidalgo is referencing that we’ll get the answer in the Ron Howard directed Solo film, one can never be too sure. Whether or not it was Howard who played a part in adding the “potential” Easter egg, or if it was just Johnson who just wanted something Solo for his important Luke and Leia finale remains to be seen.

 

 

Anyhow, you’ll probably hear any reputable Star Wars fan point out the fact that there’s dice hanging from the dashboard of the Millennium Falcon’s cockpit in the original Star Wars film. However, these were introduced as a visual gag back in 1977 and only hardcore fans of the series would understand the visual reference. Which is why I’m leaning towards a Solo film reference. I guess we’ll find out in May!

 

 

And now that Pablo Hidalgo, with the nudge from a cool fan has confirmed the presence of one “Hyperspace” Easter egg, we’re sure that many other Star Wars fans will get busy watching it again in the hunt for even more.

 

 

May the force be with you….

 

 

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158 thoughts on “How “Rogue One” and “Solo” Connect with Rian Johnson’s “The Last Jedi”

  • December 20, 2017 at 1:20 am
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    That’s nice. At least it will connect to something now.

    • December 20, 2017 at 1:33 am
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      Perhaps you can connect to the idea that repeating the same whine over and over again is both pointless and irritating.

      • December 20, 2017 at 1:54 am
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        Not as pointless as you commenting on my comments.

        • December 20, 2017 at 8:01 pm
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          My comments are valid. Yours is already tired and repetitive.

          • December 21, 2017 at 5:03 pm
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            I am flattered that my comments have such a profound effect on you that, even though you hate them, you can’t help yourself from not only reading them, but actually taking the time to respond!

          • December 22, 2017 at 1:49 am
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            I’ll always be here to troll you if you continue to post the same dribble over and over again. Don’t worry.

  • December 20, 2017 at 1:23 am
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    This makes me like Rogue One even more.

    • December 20, 2017 at 1:32 am
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      Thanks Ghost. For being positive.

    • December 20, 2017 at 5:10 am
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      Agreed. My four big problems with TLJ . . .
      -Canto bight is meh
      -Canto bight sucks
      -Did I mention Canto bight?
      -They kept calling the resistance the rebels

      • December 20, 2017 at 5:13 am
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        TLJ is still my third favorite SW movie

        ESB
        ANH
        TLJ
        R1/TFA
        ROTJ
        ROTS
        TPM
        AOTC

        • December 20, 2017 at 7:06 pm
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          My rank is

          ESB
          ANH
          ROTS
          ROTJ
          TFA
          R1
          AOTC/TPM
          TLJ

    • December 20, 2017 at 7:04 am
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      Still looking for a reason to care about any one of the characters in Rogue One.

  • December 20, 2017 at 2:09 am
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    “I really don’t understand how some people dislike this movie” I’d be happy to write a review for the site from the perspective of a life long Star Wars fan who doesn’t like the film.

    • December 20, 2017 at 2:45 am
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      I’d be genuinely interested to read your review. While I am a life long fan SW who does like TLJ, there were some scenes that left me feeling a bit disappointed. Take MarkTorntis up on his offer SWNN.

      • December 20, 2017 at 3:45 am
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        SWNN please let me know if you are interested. We can find a way to initiate a direct line of communication.

      • December 20, 2017 at 3:48 am
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        Additionally, I am also a big Rian Johnson fan. His film Brick holds up to be one of the best films of the 00’s.

    • December 20, 2017 at 2:52 am
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      I would contribute as well. It is quite simple. We all get how Luke lost faith but they took it just one step too far by having him go to kill his nephew in his sleep. That is the failure of the story for me.

      • December 20, 2017 at 4:50 am
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        He didn’t it was an option, he was someone with little guidance left in a situation where he chooses between killing ben, and having a peaceful life, or not killing him, and having his force visions of the suffering and deaths of billions in the galaxy come true.

        who wouldn’t at least hesitate given the choice of killing one person versus literally tens of billions.

        • December 20, 2017 at 1:20 pm
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          It’s not out of character for Luke either. He’s always been shown giving in to his emotions before calming down. He only reached his most arguably zen moment in the entire original trilogy and said, “No”, to the Emperor after having already lopped off his father’s hand and hesitating to give the killing blow.

          This was just that: a moment of hesitation before taking the right course of action (or not taking the wrong one).

          • December 20, 2017 at 7:04 pm
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            It is a completely different situation. At that moment, Luke was in the presence of the Emperor in the middle of a lightsaber fight with Vader , and contemplating the possible destruction of the rebel fleet and of all of his friends both in the fleet and on the forest moon. When Luke surrendered on Endor, however, he clearly stated he had not come to fight his father and that he didn’t have the intention to kill him, bur rather to save him. You can’t really equate that to killing a sleeping 20-year-old boy , who had not even fully turned yet, as a preemptive strike and out of fear.

          • December 21, 2017 at 9:50 am
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            I don’t see how this contradicts what I wrote above, though. Luke had a moment of weakness where he seemed ready to kill Vader and go against his intention of saving him, because emotions ran high. What he almost did to Ben Solo before relenting was likewise because emotions ran high with the fear of what he could and would do. The context may be different but the character traits and thought process are similar, hence not being out of character for Luke.

        • December 20, 2017 at 6:58 pm
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          He didn’t hesitate about NOT killing his father even though everybody (including Obi-Wan and Yoda) told him he had to do it and even though his father was ALREADY the biggest villain in the galaxy and responsible for countless killings (not to mention torturing and hurting Luke’s own friends).. Killing a defenseless Ben as a preemptive strike out of fear would clearly be the path to the dark side and Luke would know that without hesitation.

      • December 20, 2017 at 4:59 am
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        It was a very Roshomon inspired set of flashbacks, both sides telling their version of the truth. I liked it, put the whole ‘certain point of view’ line from Obi-Wan into an interesting light.

      • December 20, 2017 at 6:46 pm
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        I really don’t understand why this particular criticism keeps popping up. It’s like some people totally tuned out after the story according to Kylo was shown. It’s not even that long after that we get to the truth. Sometimes I just despair.

      • December 20, 2017 at 6:46 pm
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        I really don’t understand why this particular criticism keeps popping up. It’s like some people totally tuned out after the story according to Kylo was shown. It’s not even that long after that we get to the truth. Sometimes I just despair.

        • December 20, 2017 at 6:53 pm
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          Even the “truth” (from Luke’s point of view) would be out of character. Luke did contemplate killing his nephew in his sleep as a preemptive strike and even went as far as igniting his lightsaber to do it. Ben’s version was the only possible conclusion he could come to given the circumstances.

    • December 21, 2017 at 5:46 pm
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      no reply from SWNN – further proof that this site exist just to pay court to disney and has no intention of creating an intellectual conversation.

  • December 20, 2017 at 2:52 am
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    Regarding Han’s parentage.

    I’m calling it now, he’s a Solo.

  • December 20, 2017 at 3:06 am
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    Arguing on the internet is pointless. Haven’t we learned this by now? Its obvious that this site wants people to love Last Jedi. Its also obvious that tons of people really hated it. Enough said. Moving on…

    • December 20, 2017 at 4:14 am
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      I actually met a sane person on the internet.

      • December 20, 2017 at 4:14 am
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        TLJ is awesome. Canto Bight is meh. Why did they keep calling the Resistance rebels?

        • December 20, 2017 at 7:38 pm
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          Surprisingly, although I obviously didn’t like TLJ, Canto Bight was actually OK to me. All the rest was far worse in he movie.

          As for calling the Resistance rebels, I suppose they are implying that the state of galaxy has been effectively reset to the pre-Battle of Endor situation, i.e., theNew Republic has de fact collapsed / ceased to exist and the First Order either rules or is on the verge of ruling the galaxy. TLJ did’nt explain why that is the case and that is a major continuity problem between TFA and TLJ in my opinion. The destruction of the Hosnian system by itself wouldn’t produce that scenario, especially after the FO suiffered a major defeat with the loss of Starkiller Base,

      • December 20, 2017 at 4:36 am
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        I just get so discouraged by how things play out in social media squabbles. We’ve become a society that insists on convincing everyone to their point of view. If someone has a different opinion, they are ‘wrong’ – not just different. I admit – I’ve played into it too. I’ve probably posted way to much about my disdain for the movie – but in the end, it just my ‘opinion’. The people that hate it aren’t ‘right’ – and the people that love it aren’t ‘right’.

        We need to find our way thru this and figure out how to talk to one another as adults once again.

        • December 20, 2017 at 6:49 pm
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          Wow, you actually ARE a sane person.

  • December 20, 2017 at 3:13 am
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    A lot of the negative fan reviews are junky sock puppet accounts. Reddit trolls love to project themselves as more important and more numerous than they are. See all the “raving” reviews for Justice League compared to the miserable box office returns.

    Social media distorts EVERYTHING…and nobody loves distortion more than an angry Reddit user who wants to prove his e-Peen is just as massive as his ego.

    It’s a crock, honestly I come across 1-line reviews from hastily assembled gmail accounts, that complain about Star Wars is guilty of reverse racism.

    The so called “fan controversy” is amped up by people who hate their own lives. Of course some actually disliked the film, but the fan aggregate on Rotten Tomatoes is a lot of fakery too.

    • December 20, 2017 at 3:43 am
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      Again. This didn’t happen with TFA or RO. While trolls are certainly a part of it. They are not ALL of it.

      • December 20, 2017 at 6:01 am
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        You’re right, the 12 people crapping on every thread were not angry last time. But the thousand other people reading the comments are just as happy, if not more so, than last time.

      • December 20, 2017 at 6:34 am
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        No, they definitely aren’t all of it. The people most likely to rate a film with a gut check reaction such as “I hated it because [insert reason]” are the ones that to go to RT and rate it a 0. Is the movie a 0? No. It’s a good movie, no matter which way you cut it. Is it a good Star Wars movie? To some it isn’t, but it’s certainly not worthy of a 0/5 review. Those are the people that can’t get past their own feelings and realize that TLJ is actually a good film. That rating has been distorted by that audience. A casual film goer who saw and liked the film isn’t going to rate it on RT. They’ll just say “Oh, I liked that,” and move on. The more die-hard among us are the ones who go and rate those movies en-masse. That’s why the score is so low. A majority of people liked the film, from casual movie goers and casual SW fans to a faction of die-hards. It’s the faction of die-hards that didn’t like the film that are tanking the review scores to appease themselves. That’s the reason why a site like IMDB has a good audience rating for TLJ, and why Cinemascore has the audience reaction at an “A,” while the RT and MetaCritic scores are in the dumps.

      • December 20, 2017 at 7:36 am
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        I talked to two people at work who saw it, both were less than impressed.

        • December 20, 2017 at 9:27 am
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          I talked to three people at work who saw it and they were all very impressed. They didn’t, however, take the time to post a positive review online because most normal people don’t work that way.

          • December 20, 2017 at 1:04 pm
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            Neither did those guys.

          • December 20, 2017 at 1:09 pm
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            I suppose so. My point is anecdotes about workmates can only get us so far (not much) when commenting about reviews online.

          • December 20, 2017 at 3:42 pm
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            Just passing along the views of general movie goers thats all.

        • December 20, 2017 at 6:12 pm
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          I’ve never written a review on RT… But after having seen this train-wreck of a film (and having gone in aware it had a 93% fresh rating), I felt compelled to voice my dismay. It still beggars belief that this film was universally adored by critics.

          • December 20, 2017 at 6:20 pm
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            It will be interesting to see what the box office is like this weekend.

          • December 20, 2017 at 6:42 pm
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            Thor Ragnarok also has a 93 % fresh rating and it is garabage. You don’t have to believe in the “critics consensus”, especially when Disney is involved. Make your own mind.

    • December 20, 2017 at 9:32 am
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      In my experience in engaging with different fandoms, I’ve learned that no one hates something more than its fans.

      I can get why the film is currently divisive, but I detest the fact that the worst part of the fans is being brought out in a way that it wasn’t before.

  • December 20, 2017 at 3:36 am
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    How about after TLJ>>>>FUCK SPECULATION!
    It makes you all sound like idiots

    • December 20, 2017 at 4:14 am
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      Speculation is part of the fun. The problem comes when people lose their shit because their head canon didn’t come true.

  • December 20, 2017 at 3:45 am
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    I was always on the fence with the Solo movie. I don’t know whether TLJ either makes it’s work harder or easier. It’s still on for May isn’t it?

    • December 20, 2017 at 4:05 am
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      Yeah, and it’ll be great I’m sure

    • December 20, 2017 at 3:27 pm
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      Personally, I’d say there’s a chance it gets postponed. After three Star Wars films for Christmas, May just seems weird, especially if it’s not facing stiff competition then. (Would ‘Fantastic Beasts’ count as such?)

  • December 20, 2017 at 3:58 am
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    People have already admitted to using bots to sabotage the audience score on RT. I’m not denying that many people didn’t like the movie. But I wouldn’t put much faith in that particular thing.

    • December 20, 2017 at 5:37 am
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      Yea, those say that are credible, but not those disappointed. I know few who like it.

  • December 20, 2017 at 4:01 am
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    Just have Darth Vader show up in Solo and waste a bunch people with his lightsaber again. It would appease the butthurt fanboys whining about TLJ raping their childhoods.

  • December 20, 2017 at 4:31 am
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    Can this site create a single thread for everyone that wants to endlessly bitch about the Special Editions, Rey’s parents, Jar Jar Binks, Ewoks, Disney, Snoke, Yoda with a Lightsaber, grumpy Luke, CGI Tarkin, The Prequles, Kathleen Kennedy, The Force Awakens being a remake and George Lucas and Rian Johnson raping their childhood and leave us alone to enjoy discussing these damn movies?

    • December 20, 2017 at 4:36 am
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      You forgot dead Luke. That’s the important one.

    • December 20, 2017 at 5:35 am
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      If you want to only talk to people who agree with you start a Facebook group.

    • December 20, 2017 at 5:35 am
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      If you want to only talk to people who agree with you start a Facebook group.

      • December 20, 2017 at 7:13 am
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        Precisely why I said “endlessly bitch” and not “disagree with me”.

      • December 20, 2017 at 7:24 am
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        I got this cool technique. If I don’t like someone, I just ignore their shit. It works pretty good. It looks really tiring seeking out people that disagree with your point of view and bitch and whine about them bitching and whining.

    • December 20, 2017 at 6:39 am
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      Actually, I’m relieved to hear that so many people are “bitching” over TLJ.
      I didn’t really enjoy the movie, though I wanted to so bad. (I’m goign to see it again, just to see if I change my mind.)
      I’m also relieved because before it seemed like people only complained about the Star Wars films important in my childhood (aka, episode 1, 2, and 3.)

    • December 20, 2017 at 7:03 am
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      This reminds of the Redlettermedia review of TLJ where they say that the star wars fanbase is a competition to see who’s the most contrarian.

      • December 21, 2017 at 6:39 pm
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        I love Mr Plinkett’s reviews.

        • December 21, 2017 at 9:49 pm
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          Who doesn’t? 😉

    • December 20, 2017 at 6:40 pm
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      So are negative opinions now banned from this site ? Why can’t they be part of a movie discussion ?

      • December 20, 2017 at 7:06 pm
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        Clearly negative opinions are not banned. You missed the part where I specified “endlessly bitch”. Which is a lot different than offering a reasoned and legitimate criticism. We’ve endured 20 years of moaning about the Special Editions. It’s an understatement to say it’s enough already.

  • December 20, 2017 at 4:51 am
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    My hunch is that Rose is from Jeddah.

    • December 20, 2017 at 5:03 am
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      She’s from the planet Hays Minor.

    • December 20, 2017 at 5:03 am
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      She’s from the planet Hays Minor.

      • December 20, 2017 at 5:04 am
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        OK, but my headcanon stays the same 🙂

  • December 20, 2017 at 5:17 am
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    Also interesting to note that Rian wrote the script for TLJ while there was still a Force Awakens scene intact where Han hangs the dice back in the Falcon’s cockpit. Too bad that was cut.

  • December 20, 2017 at 5:33 am
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    You don’t know why many fans are mad, really. Here’s a small list.

    Luke chunking the light saber over his shoulder was emblematic of Ryan Chucking Luke’s legacy in the garbage. Luke emotional response at end of 7 felt incredibly important moment in Star Wars history, yet it wasn’t. The most important light saber in the galaxy is useless.

    Snoke literally called Kylos helmet ridiculous! Umm Vader!

    When Luke says to Rey why the Jedi Order has to end for all time, the proceeded to crap on the PT.

    When Kylo Ren chopped Snoke in half like halfway through the movie, ensuring the most powerful darksider was killed by a brat who was beat by a nobody.

    When the big reveal explaining Kylo Ren’s turn toward the Dark Side happened because Mr. Hope didn’t feel he could save him, because Snoke was in him, yet Snoke couldn’t even foresee Kylo stupid trick.

    The backstory between Kylo and Luke, seen three ways. Not even knowing who is telling the truth. Luke lied once.

    The unceremoniously killing Snoke who, who can throw a human being across a huge room with a flick of his finger and read everyone’s thoughts, but no peripheral vision to see that a lightsaber sitting right next to him is moving on its own.

    Luke called the lightsaber a laser sword, the most derogatory term.

    When Kylo Ren, with like ten seconds of icily savage dialogue, revealed that Rey’s parents were nobody-ass losers, meaning all the hidden meaning from seven was garbage.

    When Anakin/Luke Skywalker’s lightsaber snapped in half.

    When Ghost Yoda incinerated the birthplace of the Jedi religion and (its sacred texts.

    Luke not reading the text.

    When Ghost Yoda told Luke that his Jedi knowledge of the Force was not as useful to Rey as his ability to show her what failure looks like, ensuring Luke’s legend is one of failure. Oh wait, he faced off Kylo Ren, yet Luke’s Dead, Ren isn’t.

    When Luke explicitly said, “I am not just going to turn up with a lightsaber and face down the entire army of bad guys,” ignoring that is what Star Wars heroes do, ie he waltzed into Jabba the Hutt’s palace armed with nothing but an extremely half-cocked plan and a lightsaber.

    When Luke then showed up with a lightsaber and stood alone against the entire army of bad guys anyway.

    Rey receives a crash course in what the Force is, taking all of about three minutes.

    Princess Leia can fly now? But not before she’s blow up and shot into deep space.

    • December 20, 2017 at 5:58 am
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      Luke says: “Every single thing you said is wrong.”

      • December 20, 2017 at 6:51 am
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        Actually Luke (Mark Hamill) agrees with the fans.

        • December 20, 2017 at 6:59 am
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          Actually, no. Mark Hamill said he initially did not like it (when he read the script), but then totally got where Rian was going and was on board. Even so, Mark Hamill is an actor — one person with one opinion. So I could care less if he personally agrees with your opinion or not.

          You making an assertion that “the fans” all agree with you means you have disillusions of grandeur.

          • December 20, 2017 at 7:03 am
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            Mark Hammill spoke out on it on multiple occasions, not once.

            “That hit me like a ton of bricks,” Hamill says. “Jedis don’t give up! If something goes wrong, you make it right!” Nevertheless, Hammill had only so much say in Luke Skywalker’s fate. “I don’t own the character,” he says. “I’m sort of the host body they lease the character out to.”

            “‘It’s time for the Jedi to end?’ Are you kidding me?” he exclaimed. “I’m just saying, what could have happened between the last time we saw him and now for him to be that way? Even if it was the worst thing in the world, I said to [Johnson], ‘Jedis don’t give up.'”

            “I at one point had to say to Rian, ‘I pretty much fundamentally disagree with every choice you’ve made for this character. Now, having said that, I have gotten it off my chest, and my job now is to take what you’ve created and do my best to realize your vision.’ ”

            And no, not all fans agree with with, just the ones that know what they are talking about.

          • December 20, 2017 at 2:27 pm
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            Luke didn’t give up though. He saves the day and guarantees the Jedi order will continue.

          • December 20, 2017 at 4:34 pm
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            Was that insult in the end really necessary? Why do you think Your opinion is superior to oders? Why do you think that if someone has a different opinion is either not a fan or stupid?
            Everbody has their own opinion. Non of them are superior to the others. It doesn’t make someone ‘less fan’ if they’re think something else than you.
            And this is not an opinion. This is a fact.

    • December 20, 2017 at 10:41 am
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      Padme died of a broken heart, now Luke dies from exhaustion. Give me a break

      • December 20, 2017 at 7:23 pm
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        Family history then

    • December 20, 2017 at 2:26 pm
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      Why is laser sword derogatory? Anakin called it that too. Vader needed the mask, Kylo didn’t. It was a comment on Kylo being a pretender, not a general one about masks.

    • December 20, 2017 at 2:26 pm
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      Why is laser sword derogatory? Anakin called it that too. Vader needed the mask, Kylo didn’t. It was a comment on Kylo being a pretender, not a general one about masks.

      • December 20, 2017 at 6:38 pm
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        Funny, back when TFA was released, the LF story group made a big deal of Kylo’s mask, hinting there was a meaningful history behind it and so on so forth. Now, it is just a “stupid helmet”.

    • December 20, 2017 at 3:19 pm
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      Beautifully said !

    • December 22, 2017 at 7:40 am
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      You know, some of this is actually well written. I’m impressed you’re not a complete idiot after all. I even agree here and there.

      But you failed to realize that Yoda didn’t burn the Sacred Texts.

      I wonder what else you missed.

  • December 20, 2017 at 5:34 am
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    Was it ever revealed in the films/books/comics/games on which planet Luke’s Jedi academy was located? If not, are there any clues anywhere? I vote for Tatooine because of all the cool banthas.

    • December 20, 2017 at 10:57 am
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      Im not 100% sure but i think i remember hearing it was Tatooine

    • December 20, 2017 at 5:40 pm
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      Wacky, you have no idea how crucial you are in keeping this forum a fun place to frequent.

      Thanks for that.

  • December 20, 2017 at 6:04 am
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    What do you mean he stayed away from empire. No, he just decided to copy much of the entire OT and erase all the gains made by the OT characters and ensure Luke’s last 30 years of collecting Jedi history was for nothing, he didn’t even bother reading it. Luke is no Ezra!

    • December 20, 2017 at 6:34 am
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      What do you mean “erase all the gains?” Luke became so powerful a lightsaber and 20 cannons couldn’t even kill him.

      …. but with that said, I’m not quite sure WHY he died.

      • December 20, 2017 at 3:17 pm
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        A lightsaber and 20 cannons are not very effective against a hologram, are they ? If Luke actually FELT the weapons while he was astral projecting or whatever, I would understand why he vanishes in the end. But, apparerntly, that was not the case. He apparently simply drained all his life force to do the astral projection thing for such a long time.

      • December 20, 2017 at 3:23 pm
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        I could buy the exertion killing him myself. He basically used the Force to become a more tangible Force ghost without actually fully becoming one with the Force previously. It’s not beyond reason to assume that could take a toll, especially if you’re of a certain age.

  • December 20, 2017 at 6:07 am
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    Not one of my friends really liked this movie…
    Unfortunately…. we all wanted to so badly. I saw it twice in a row (already had tickets)
    There were really awesome things in this movie but too many things that took me out of the Star Wars Universe (flying space princess, the “if you wish upon a star” ending and the endless “Avengers” like jokes
    …Luke not showing up in a battered X-wing for one last show down but instead Matrix dogging and then dying of exhaustion was the hardest to take…
    I don’t know… glad people like it …just a bit heartbroken myself.

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      I wanted to like it, even did at first, But found myself negotiating with myself that Luke transcended into a super Force user whose now capable of taking on Snoke, who is not even alive but switches bodies like Darth Bain. The demigod show down, steeped in Starwars expanded universe tropes.

      The I realized that the hipsters who made these films don’t give a damn about fans that really invested decades.

    • December 20, 2017 at 9:10 am
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      Well “flying space princess”, Kanan did the same thing in Rebels. And did Luke die or ‘reach nirvana’ and become one with the force? Like Obiwan said in ANH, Luke might actually have become more powerful. And judging by Yoda’s actions he can still influence the ‘real world’ (Obiwan also made grass move in ROTJ). We’ll just have to wait and see. I hope we did not see the last of Luke.

      Most of the people that hate/do not like the movie, don’t like it because they did not get served what they expected. All the speculations about who Rey’s parents are, who Snoke is, etc. just made the disappointment bigger. Don’t forget that the first scenes of TLJ were already shot on Skellig (september 2015) before TFA was in the theaters. Should they have waited until april 2016 before starting to write the story, just so they can serve fan speculations?

      • December 20, 2017 at 2:52 pm
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        Kanan is also a young and healthy man, not and elderly, slightly overweigth lady. And it wasn’t very fond of it in rebels either even though I have to give Kudos to Filoni for unintentionally (?) preparing us for space Leia. But I don’t really mind the scene because it is unrealistic (after all, this is Star Wars not Interstellar). I dislike the scene because it would have been the perfect opportunity to let Leia die. Seeing her floating in space with this calm expression on her face and the Raddus glowing in the background was a moment of serene beauty. I cannot believe why theymissed this chance to adapt to the real life death of Carrie. Now we will probably get a message in the opening crawl similar to “Ackbar died guys, sry” which happened because his voice actor died before shooting any actual scenes of ackbar dying. So yeah missed opportunity which is why I dislike her superman scene a lot.

        • December 20, 2017 at 3:02 pm
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          And Kanan is a Jedi Master, with years of training which Leia is not. In any case, no Jedi should do what Leia or Kanan did in the vacuum of space, because that is implausible even for Star Wars physics, as is implausible to astral project yourself across the galaxy. Sorry, but that is just plain stupid.

          As for people not needing any training whatsoever to do incredible force-related feats, that seems to be the new norm now in the ST. Rey Nobody for example not only beat Kylo Ren alone in TFA with no training at all, but also, after one lesson with Luke (or was it two ?) , she is pretty much a Jedi master now. Sorry, but it doesn’t compute.

          • December 20, 2017 at 6:04 pm
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            Oh the Rey is mary sue crap. Luke only training from ObiWan was using a lightsaber and a training droid that somehow Han had onboard the Falcon. Then he uses the force to perfectly aim 2 proton torpedoes where a targeting computer couldnt. While Rey character is shown to be very adept at melee combat. Then Chewie blasts Kylo with his bowcaster which TFA showed doest major damage. Kylo is shown bleeding out and weakened. Finn even gets in a glancing blow. All this before Rey starts to fight Kylo and giver herself to the force. Jedi master is more than being adept with a Lightsaber. I think that is a major misconception with some in fandom. Lightsaber skills to me have never been the ultimate Jedo skill. Thats why I loved TLJ and Luke. He didnt best Kylo or Snoke in lightsaber duel. He truly used the Force the way a master would.

          • December 20, 2017 at 6:24 pm
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            Luke trained with Obi-Wan and with Yoda (maybe for several weeks/months with the latter) and, according to the literature, also trained on his own between movies, reading Jedi texts that were left at Obi-Wan’s hut on Tatooine for example. Still, at the beginning of ESB, Luke could hardly pull his lightsaber from the snow using the force. Rey on the other hand learned mind tricks on her own and blocked Kylo Ren’s mind probe, could crack the ground open, and lift tons of rocks blocking the exit of the Crait base. There is really no comparison and it is totally absurd.

          • December 20, 2017 at 6:24 pm
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            Luke trained with Obi-Wan and with Yoda (maybe for several weeks/months with the latter) and, according to the literature, also trained on his own between movies, reading Jedi texts that were left at Obi-Wan’s hut on Tatooine for example. Still, at the beginning of ESB, Luke could hardly pull his lightsaber from the snow using the force. Rey on the other hand learned mind tricks on her own and blocked Kylo Ren’s mind probe, could crack the ground open, and lift tons of rocks blocking the exit of the Crait base. There is really no comparison and it is totally absurd.

          • December 21, 2017 at 1:31 am
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            Yeah and don’t forget that the remaining Jedi texts were burned simply because of how much a Mary Sue she is.

      • December 20, 2017 at 4:17 pm
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        Actually no…
        Not one of my friends didn’t like the movie because Rey or Snoke… we actually had good conversations about those things and would have LOVED if that was what we talked about for the next two years. We were upset at the directing. The dialogue wasn’t “in Universe” …there were disrespectful aspects to character development (specifically Luke)
        The editing was not very good
        and then the social justice/Disney moments that just drove us all crazy…
        How did anyone think seeing a little boy dressed like Oliver Twist with a rebel decoder ring sweeping a stable and wishing upon a shooting star was a good ending?
        It’s as if Rian Johnson has never even seen a Star Movie and lied on his job application.
        Again, glad you like it and glad other people do as well
        … don’t take what I say and let it get you down… I’m probably just turning into a bitter old man

    • December 20, 2017 at 1:03 pm
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      HAHAHAHA!

    • December 20, 2017 at 3:11 pm
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      Even Poe’s opening battle scene, which so many critics reviews had praised as a highlight of the movie, was completely ruined by the out-od-place comedy, as was Snoke who totally looked like a character from Spaceballs or other generic Mel Brooks movie. The “jokes” were completely off for a Star Wars movie, unlike, in this case, TFA, where the humor fit in.

  • December 20, 2017 at 12:43 pm
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    If you have to have an article explaining how to like this movie, as oppossed to the movie itself making you like it, then that tells you all you need to know about the movie.

    • December 20, 2017 at 2:57 pm
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      I loved the movie but I agree.

    • December 21, 2017 at 12:48 am
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      And that is it in a nutshell Padre. Kudos.

    • December 21, 2017 at 12:46 pm
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      If you have to have an article explaining how to like this movie, as
      opposed to the movie itself making you like it, then that tells you all
      you need to know about YOU.

  • December 20, 2017 at 1:04 pm
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    People disliking this TLJ is real
    youtube- full of users bitching with rant videos and comments sections
    imdb- lot of negative reviews
    metacritic-the same as imdb
    and also rotten tomatoes but now they say bla bla bots bla…. i think most of the people finally got tired of disney murdering everything George Lucas built…

    • December 20, 2017 at 2:48 pm
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      Yes, it is real. I dislike TLJ not because it frustrated my expectations about where the story should go, but rather because the movie is plainly bad at so many levels. To be honest, it is not even visually good. Some scenes look actually cheap, like the Snoke throne room scene fpr example. The worst part though is the wooden or, conversely,, over the top acting and the horrible lines, which are something between Spaceballs and the worst of the PT. And I won’t even comment on things that happen in the film that are completely implausible EVEN for Star Wars physics !

      TLJ didn’t elicit any emotional response from me or made me care about any of the characters more than I already did (thanks to Lawrence Kasdan’sn excellent in comparison TFA script).. The ST should have been epic, but, instead, TLJ was just Meh and easily forgettable. I would even say TLJ is now at the bottom of the list of SW films for me, on par with AoTC and TPM.

      • December 20, 2017 at 4:53 pm
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        Lawrence kasdan and jar jar abrahms script for TFA was terrible too. Its easy to like it for some people because it mirrors so much episode 4 and thats it…

        • December 20, 2017 at 6:18 pm
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          I disagree, The emotional connection between the characters works much better in TFA than in TLJ, and TFA at least doesn’t look like a Mel Brooks’ film as TLJ does.. TFA is not great overall, but, compared to TLJ, it is a better movie. Even visually it looks better

          • December 21, 2017 at 6:05 pm
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            thats funny considering that ILM made the effects for spaceballs 😉

      • December 20, 2017 at 7:10 pm
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        TLJ is tonally and thematically a complete mess where any sense of seriousness is undercut by a joke. That is why it doesn’t work for me. Also the Leia thing was fucking stupid.

        I thought it was shot really well and one of the best looking Star Wars movie there has ever been but vanity only gets you so far.

  • December 20, 2017 at 3:26 pm
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    One thing that should make Rian think is that most of the criticism is very similar in nature and pretty clear. It’s not just some random rumbling how SW ruined someone’s childhood but people who disliked TLJ are a lot more specific what they disliked than you would expect ordinary trolls to be like.

    Marvel humor, lack of Snoke’s background, the lightsaber over the shoulder toss ruining the emotional end of TFA, Hux’ humiliation, a “useless” Canto Bight plot, space Leia… Even in very positive reviews these show up all the time and for some people they are pretty big nonos.

    Other aspects of the movie are controversial by their very nature for example how Rian handled Luke’s seclusion and his death, Rey’s parentage and Kylo’s character developement. These are all things that need to be processed quite a bit until you can accept them and from there it’s still a long road until you can fully appreciate them. Some peopel are simply not willing to get so emotionally invested and I don’t blame them, this is a Star Wars movie and not an Oscar winning drama.

    Anothe rthing that shows that Rian didn’t quite nail TLJ is the fact how much we see him explain his intentions and why he did what he did. If you’re doing a Star Wars movie right, you don’t need to explain yourself. Just seeing all these interviews and hearing all these podcasts make me think that Rian had a lot of really good ideas but he failed to execute many of them in a satisfying way. The lightsaber toss over Lukes shoulder is a good example for this. Luke could have taken the saber and throw it to the ground in front of him signalling “I do not identify with the Jedi anymore. Take back your lightsaber and leave”. But instead he turned the lightsaber of Anakin Skywalker into a joke.

    Overall TLJ has some of the highst highs and some of the lowest lows. If you want to be a condescending prick (I’m looking at you Pablo) claiming that peopel who dislike TLJ were too stupid to understand it then you might want to take a long hard look at yourself first. Maybe, just maybe if a lot of people tell you that they didn’t feel the plot was moving forward then maybe you should have done some things differently…

  • December 20, 2017 at 3:26 pm
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    One thing that should make Rian think is that most of the criticism is very similar in nature and pretty clear. It’s not just some random rumbling how SW ruined someone’s childhood but people who disliked TLJ are a lot more specific what they disliked than you would expect ordinary trolls to be like.

    Marvel humor, lack of Snoke’s background, the lightsaber over the shoulder toss ruining the emotional end of TFA, Hux’ humiliation, a “useless” Canto Bight plot, space Leia… Even in very positive reviews these show up all the time and for some people they are pretty big nonos.

    Other aspects of the movie are controversial by their very nature for example how Rian handled Luke’s seclusion and his death, Rey’s parentage and Kylo’s character developement. These are all things that need to be processed quite a bit until you can accept them and from there it’s still a long road until you can fully appreciate them. Some peopel are simply not willing to get so emotionally invested and I don’t blame them, this is a Star Wars movie and not an Oscar winning drama.

    Anothe rthing that shows that Rian didn’t quite nail TLJ is the fact how much we see him explain his intentions and why he did what he did. If you’re doing a Star Wars movie right, you don’t need to explain yourself. Just seeing all these interviews and hearing all these podcasts make me think that Rian had a lot of really good ideas but he failed to execute many of them in a satisfying way. The lightsaber toss over Lukes shoulder is a good example for this. Luke could have taken the saber and throw it to the ground in front of him signalling “I do not identify with the Jedi anymore. Take back your lightsaber and leave”. But instead he turned the lightsaber of Anakin Skywalker into a joke.

    Overall TLJ has some of the highst highs and some of the lowest lows. If you want to be a condescending prick (I’m looking at you Pablo) claiming that peopel who dislike TLJ were too stupid to understand it then you might want to take a long hard look at yourself first. Maybe, just maybe if a lot of people tell you that they didn’t feel the plot was moving forward then maybe you should have done some things differently…

    • December 21, 2017 at 12:45 am
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      That’s nothing new with Hidalgo, several parsecs up his own black hole, to quote one of the few real reviews of this movie.

  • December 20, 2017 at 4:23 pm
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    Trolls have a lot of influence in public reviews. Just saying.

  • December 20, 2017 at 4:23 pm
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    Trolls have a lot of influence in public reviews. Just saying.

    • December 20, 2017 at 7:08 pm
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      Yes because there is NO WAY POSSIBLE for there to be a bad Star Wars movie or for a large section of fans to not like it. Just saying.

    • December 20, 2017 at 7:16 pm
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      Apparently in professional reviews as well if they have the money to pay for them.

      • December 26, 2017 at 8:34 pm
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        I’m sure there is some of this going on as well. But people create fake accounts and troll away as if it’s a real opinion. Sadly some people get off on stirring the pot. Such a waste of life these people are, if they focused on positive things instead of negative think of how much better this world would be. Trolls are just negative nancy’s of this world, their life’s are so pathetic they have to try and bring you down to their level.

    • December 20, 2017 at 7:18 pm
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      Yes the Trolls are so dedicated that all metacritc ratings are still dropping days after the initial outrage. For some reason the Trolls also decided to not manipulate the ratings of R1 or TFA. I also hope you don’t mind backing up your claims because otherwise I could just grab my tinfoil hat and say:”looks like this is the frst time Disney hasn’t manage to bribe Rottentomatoes and IMDB, hurr durr”

      I will present you with my own outlandish theory why the ratings aren’t that good. Rian made a good movie (=> critics) but it didn’t feel like a true Star Wars movie at times (=> audience aka fans).

      • December 20, 2017 at 7:26 pm
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        Metacritic user score is now at 4.9. Those “trolls” are for sure very dedicated and have nothing else to do in their lives !

        Seriously now, why can’t LF and RJ simply admit that they have made a film that is divisive to say the least and which has annoyed a lot of people ? A little bit of humility on their part wouldn’t hurt their cause.

        TLJ may make US$ 1.5 billion or more, but the vibe is completely different from TFA. Actually, the actors get it, even if the director and the producers don’t. That is probably why they have kept a low profile since the movie was released.

      • December 20, 2017 at 7:26 pm
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        Metacritic user score is now at 4.9. Those “trolls” are for sure very dedicated and have nothing else to do in their lives !

        Seriously now, why can’t LF and RJ simply admit that they have made a film that is divisive to say the least and which has annoyed a lot of people ? A little bit of humility on their part wouldn’t hurt their cause.

        TLJ may make US$ 1.5 billion or more, but the vibe is completely different from TFA. Actually, the actors get it, even if the director and the producers don’t. That is probably why they have kept a low profile since the movie was released.

        • December 20, 2017 at 10:29 pm
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          Frankly speaking the trolls are gunning for TLJ. It’s the 1st time i’ve seen trolls has a dedicated grp fb page just to gather other trolls to bring down the user score. Just saying it’s not just as simple as you thought to be.

      • December 26, 2017 at 8:31 pm
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        Actually Trolls are more dedicated. Because someone who writes a real review doesn’t try to argue their opinion is correct and your opinion is wrong. A Troll will dedicate his life to their smear campaign. Trolls are so upset with their own lives they feel every other life they can ruin makes themselves feel better.

        • December 27, 2017 at 1:59 pm
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          Why didn’t they star a semarcampaign against TFA or R1 then? Prove to me that trolls are responsible for the drop in ratings and why I should believe some statement by hackers on twitter more than a rep of Rotten Tomatoes?

    • December 21, 2017 at 12:25 am
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      Ah I think you’re overestimating yourself there Thretosix, you’re not that influential. Just saying.

  • December 20, 2017 at 5:16 pm
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    Why is it that I have to be a whiny Star Wars fan if I don’t like this movie? I don’t troll and spambot review sites. Why do fans that like the movie have to insist that other fans are wrong for not liking it (and vice versa of course). Oh well, long live Star Wars, I feel like retiring my fandom, good bye

    • December 20, 2017 at 6:05 pm
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      I find your lack of faith disturbing…

    • December 20, 2017 at 7:14 pm
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      You’re not. However If 20 years from now you’re whining about it then It would be fair to class you as such 🙂

      From what I’ve been seeing it seems to be a 50/50 split so you don’t appear to be alone at all!

  • December 20, 2017 at 6:24 pm
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    A point. For all that are disappointed that Luke joined the Force at the end of TLJ. Why the double standard between Luke and Obiwan? People all whiny that Luke basically chose to do something that would have him become one with the Force. Obiwan made a similar choice he let Vader strike him down and become one with the Force. Obiwan did this because he knew through Luke he had a physical presence that could defeat the Emperor. This is very similar to Luke’s choice. He did something that Kylo said earlier in the film would kill you. He did that knowing that he had a physical presence in the form of Rey that can defeat Kylo. Luke saw more power in Kylo and Rey then he saw in Snoke. Just listen to his words.

    • December 20, 2017 at 6:32 pm
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      Luke was not struck down by anybody. . In fact, it is unclear why he didn’t make it other than the possible theory that he drained all of his own life force, which is a silly concept.

      BTW, for those who are clinging to the theory that Luke became a ghost to haunt Kylo, keep in mind that he said to Kylo that, if he struck him,in anger, he would be haunted by that action forever AS he was by the demise of his own father, Han Solo. So he was clearly talking about a psychological affliction rather than a physical one. Just as Obi-Wan said in RoTJ that, if Luke faced Vader, he “could not intervene”, it appears to me that, if Rey confronts Kylo in Episode 9, she will have to do it alone too.

      • December 20, 2017 at 6:43 pm
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        Rules are now changed. Force ghost can interact with the physical world as demonstrated by Yoda.

      • December 20, 2017 at 6:51 pm
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        Kylo early in the movie said to Rey that is she was projecting herself it would kill her. Will Luke physically intervene. No. I didnt claim that. I said Rey will be the physical presence that can defeat Kylo. Why is it a silly concept that Luke drained his own life force. Or simply let himself become one with the force. Look at Vader and Obiwan battle again. Obiwan is gone before Vader strikes him.

  • December 20, 2017 at 7:45 pm
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    This sums up the whole situation for me. It seems that if you don’t like the movie, you are belittled.
    :”The Emperor’s New Clothes” is a short tale written by Danish author Hans Christian Andersen, about two weavers who promise an emperor
    a new suit of clothes that they say is invisible to those who are unfit
    for their positions, stupid, or incompetent. When the emperor parades
    before his subjects in his new clothes, no one dares to say that they do
    not see any suit of clothes on him for fear that they will be seen as
    “unfit for their positions, stupid, or incompetent”. Finally, a child
    cries out, “But he isn’t wearing anything at all!”

    • December 21, 2017 at 12:37 am
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      Yeah, I’ve made that point several times. Those that dislike the movie, criticise the movie and generally go into great detail with those criticisms but many of those that like the movie, don’t give any real details as to why but instead choose to criticise and insult those who dislike the movie.

    • December 21, 2017 at 3:27 am
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      Disliking the movie is absolutely fine. It’s a flawed film, and takes some risks that don’t always pay off. However, petulant, entitled fanboys like you who have a binary, thoughtless reaction to the film because it doesn’t match your head canon are asking to be mocked.

    • December 21, 2017 at 6:39 pm
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      The Emperor’s New Clothes is in my opinion, one of the most important stories of human behavior ever told. I see it played out again and again in many different forms. It’s always relevant.

  • December 20, 2017 at 7:49 pm
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    Pablo Hidalgio’s defensive comments are hilarious. When Luke “rushed to save his friends on ESB just to need saving himself”, he was not fully trained yet and not ready to face Vader as Yoda explained to him, Now, if he is so powerful that he can astral project himself across the galaxy, which is already an absurd concept in itself (even by SW standards), then he could certainly do better, couldn’t he ? And BTW, Rey rushed out to save her friends and to save Ben Solo too in a sort of mashup of the RoTJ and the ESB plots, which was far from original and fresh.

    • December 20, 2017 at 10:27 pm
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      woah….. Sounds very nitpicking of you. Next time you’ll say all war battles sounds the same from other movies which was far from original and fresh. Which means no movies with war scenes are original and fresh, so we shouldn’t do such movies ever? Very troll-like comment dude.

      • December 21, 2017 at 12:21 am
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        Jedi wannabe travels to isolated backwater planet to find hermit Jedi Master and seeks training, Jedi Master reluctant. While there Jedi wannabe goes into dark cave and sees mirror of self. Jedi wannabe leaves abruptly without being fully trained to confront bad guy dressed in all black and cloak and (formerly) mask. Bad guy in black cloak bumps heads with rival underling from army.

        Rag tag fleet of good guy survivors relentlessly pursued by big bad enemy that has already destroyed most of them. CGI creatures race for pleasure of rich criminals. Force sensitive slave child goes whoo hoo. Apparent new ally not fully trusted betrays good guys to enemy.

        Jedi wannabe is brought before big boss in throne room who taunts and tortures them but is saved when baddie in black cloak turns against and kills big boss. Rebels holed up in a base on white landscape planet( but wait for it – SPOILER! – instead of it being snow it’s salt – whoa, how do they come up with these ideas, it’s just INCREDIBLE) are attacked by bad guys who are in big robotic walkers.

        They barely escape thanks to the efforts of Jedi wannabe who, instead of struggling, effortlessly floats rocks – WOW, it’s just SOO DIFFERENT – and Jedi Master who confronts bad guy in black cloak, briefly engages in combat but then stops and tells bad guy in cloak if he strikes him down yadda yadda. Then when struck, Jedi Master promptly disappears leaving just clothes on ground but not before watching a twin sunset.

    • December 21, 2017 at 3:21 am
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      I suggest you go reread Dark Empire, a once-beloved part of the old EU, before declaring that Force projection is a ridiculous concept even for Star Wars standards. But hey, what ever keeps the hate flowing, more power to you.

  • December 20, 2017 at 11:49 pm
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    “Tomatometer gave it a 55 percent approval rating, the lowest of any Star Wars film to date. Honestly, I really don’t understand how this is possible.”

    This statement is the height of arrogance. It seems that all star wars news.net is concerned with is vaildating their own opinions that The Last Jedi is one of the best Star Wars films ever, and their mission is to discredit people who have issues with it or didn’t enjoy it. This sites lack of professionalism is astounding. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

    • December 21, 2017 at 12:47 am
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      Have you been seeing how Star Wars’ facebook page has been responding to negative feedback…I read one listed in an article about Kelly Marie Tran, and they were beyond snarky! I mean pure, all out venom! Hey, if someone doesn’t like a movie, that’s fine! But when the people running the PR starts to respond to the fans like that? I am about an inch away from not defending them any further. I’m still red about Battlefront 2!

    • December 21, 2017 at 12:47 am
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      Have you been seeing how Star Wars’ facebook page has been responding to negative feedback…I read one listed in an article about Kelly Marie Tran, and they were beyond snarky! I mean pure, all out venom! Hey, if someone doesn’t like a movie, that’s fine! But when the people running the PR starts to respond to the fans like that? I am about an inch away from not defending them any further. I’m still red about Battlefront 2!

      • December 21, 2017 at 2:41 am
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        I try to stay away from Facebook it’s a toxic environment. If you liked The Last Jedi great go enjoy it, but please don’t tell me how to feel about it. I’m perfectly capable of having a civil debate but when I make my counter argument I don’t need people lashing out at me calling a “fanboy” or “purist” or whatever. Since when did it become a crime to care a lot about a franchise??

      • December 21, 2017 at 2:41 am
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        I try to stay away from Facebook it’s a toxic environment. If you liked The Last Jedi great go enjoy it, but please don’t tell me how to feel about it. I’m perfectly capable of having a civil debate but when I make my counter argument I don’t need people lashing out at me calling a “fanboy” or “purist” or whatever. Since when did it become a crime to care a lot about a franchise??

      • December 21, 2017 at 3:18 am
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        When the majority of those FB comments critiquing the film are unapologetic trolls, what the hell do you expect. That’s not discourse.

        But hey, we get it. The Star Wars Industrial Complex has ruined your childhood a dozen times over. Time to find a new hobby and STFU.

        • December 21, 2017 at 11:14 pm
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          Actually….I liked the movie…you just assumed I didn’t…You do know what assuming does to you don’t ya? Sounds like you should stop jumping to conclusions and be a little kinder with those words potty mouth! 🙂

  • December 21, 2017 at 12:28 am
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    The Last Jedi is a perfect Christmas movie, given that it’s such a…
    …turkey an all – Boom Boom!

  • December 21, 2017 at 1:08 am
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    Hello Marey Sue
    Goodbye arc,
    Great Marey Sue
    I’m so in awe of you.

    I knew Marey Sue,
    You’d never have an arc
    So hello Marey Sue
    Goodbye plot.

    • December 21, 2017 at 3:24 am
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      If Rey is a Mary Sue….(really, how can anyone use that term in a serious manner anymore?)….
      Then so is Luke, who never flew in space before singlehandedly destroying the Death Star.
      Then so is Anakin, who never flew anything but a pod racer, and never in space….and singlehandedly destroyed the Trade Federation base ship (aka mini death star)
      Rey had already mastered her fighting staff before picking up the lightsaber.
      What is so difficult to understand? It’s Star Wars. This is how it goes.

      • December 21, 2017 at 3:47 am
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        Really you thought that was a serious manner LOl, oh God I love Americans.

  • December 21, 2017 at 1:44 am
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    “I really hated this movie, well, I’m almost certain I did, but I’ll probably go see it for the 20th time tomorrow just to make sure.” Or words to that effect. Ive lost count of the amount of times I’ve read such sentiments. You’ve got to come to the conclusion then that it’s probably in Disney’s interest to make these movies as crappy as they can.

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