Could Luke Really Have Vader’s Saber Crystal in The Last Jedi?
A recent rumor has been going around like wildfire that Luke Skywalker might wear the red kyber crystal from Darth Vader’s lightsaber on a necklace in The Last Jedi. I am of the opinion that this is not the case, and so I will try to explain my reasons why in the following paragraphs. It is indeed possible Luke has a red kyber crystal; it is also possible it once belonged to someone powerful, but I am personally confident in saying that it did not come from Darth Vader’s lightsaber…
VADER HAS HAD THE SAME RED LIGHTSABER SINCE HE BUILT IT
According to the canon entry on Wookieepedia, Vader built his lightsaber to replace the one Obi-Wan took after defeating him on Mustafar. He then made some exterior (key word – “exterior”) modifications to it along the way, up until it’s destruction at the end of Return of the Jedi.
“He built the weapon some time after his fall to the Dark side of the Force at the end of the Clone Wars. It replaced the one he lost during his duel with Obi-Wan Kenobi on Mustafar.
Because of the modifications Vader made to his lightsaber over the years, its exterior also changed, somewhat, in appearance. After his accession to Sith Lord, Vader was known to draw his lightsaber when facing Jedi, but also against other opponents, even though he sometimes preferred to use the Force to dispatch lesser victims.
The lightsaber would go on to destroy Obi-Wan Kenobi and cut off the hand of his son, Luke Skywalker. During their confrontation on the second Death Star, Luke would return the favor, cutting off the hand of Darth Vader. The lightsaber then fell into the same energy well in which Palpatine perished.”
Now some people will make the argument about how Anakin’s lightsaber was destroyed on Geonosis and he built another so why couldn’t he have done the same as Vader? You know why? Because the amount of retcon (retroactive continuity) they would need to explain that in The Last Jedi is ridiculous, and I haven’t read anything regarding Vader ever losing or destroying his red saber and having to build a new one.
VADER’S LIGHTSABER WAS DESTROYED ON THE DEATH STAR II IN RETURN OF THE JEDI
In the screenplay for Return of the Jedi, it is clearly states that Vader’s lightsaber falls uselessly away down the bottomless shaft below.
VADER
Sister! So…you have a twin sister. Your feelings have now betrayed her, too. Obi-Wan was wise to hide her from me. Now his failure is complete. If you will not turn to the dark side, then perhaps she will.
LUKE
Never-r-r!
Luke ignites his lightsaber and screams in anger, rushing at his father with a frenzy we have not seen before. Sparks fly as Luke and Vader fight in the cramped area. Luke’s hatred forces Vader to retreat out of the low area and across a bridge overlooking a vast elevator shaft. Each stroke of Luke’s sword drives his father further toward defeat. The Dark Lord is knocked to his knees, and as he raises his sword to block another onslaught, Luke slashes Vader’s right hand off at the wrist, causing metal and electronic parts to fly from the mechanical stump. Vader’s sword clatters uselessly away, over the edge of the platform and into the bottomless shaft below. Luke moves over Vader and holds the blade of his sword to the Dark Lord’s throat.
Vader’s lightsaber was then destroyed when the Rebel Alliance blew up the second Death Star, making it impossible for anyone to have the crystal or even a piece of the saber.
I am not saying Luke doesn’t have a necklace, and I am not saying he doesn’t have a red kyber crystal that once belonged to someone powerful, but I am saying that it is not from Darth Vader’s lightsaber.
Make sure to check out MSW’s article on Luke’s necklace here.
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What about Vader’s bantha. Does Luke have that?
I bet Kylo Ren has it.
Just no demand for them since the Dewback-38 came out sadly.
There is that part in aftermath where the saber of Vader was sold. Obviously there was no proof that it was Vader’s, but that could be used to link it. Although I find it unlikely
Not to be pedantic, but:
1. That canon article does not state that the modifications were exterior-only. It says that the exterior changed due to the modifications made. The modifications could have been both interior and exterior.
2. The death star blowing up does not necessarily mean Vader’s lightsaber was destroyed along with it. In fact, I’d be surprised if the kyber crystal itself was completely destroyed. Destruction on that scale usually results in quite large pieces of rubble. A lightsaber may just survive to some degree, especially the more durable parts of it (including the kyber crystal).
That said, this is the first I’ve heard of that theory, and I have no opinion on it, one way or the other. Just wanted to point out some flaws in your reasoning.
EDIT: Also, the first Aftermath book strongly suggests that Vader’s lightsaber survived and was acquired by the acolytes of the beyond.
Exactly, and it’s possible that some sort of altercation led to Luke taking it back. It’s all possible
So, DS2 blowing up would in the megatons range. Nothing as small as lightsaber would remain. It would be vaporized.
Explain the large pieces rubble at nuclear detonation sights to me, then. The force of the explosion says nothing about the size of fragments that will remain. It’s entirely dependent on a complex network of stresses, how contained the explosion is, etc. In fact, a free-floating object like the lightsaber is far more likely to remain intact than a wall, for example. Much of the energy directed at the lightsaber in such an explosion is converted to motion.
Hey, man, believe what you will. We’re talking movies here…and anything can be possible in the movies.
Exactly. I have no reason to believe or disbelieve the fan theory, though. It could be true. We’ll have to watch the movie.
Sorry but not according to the laws of thermal-dynamics, nor a multitude of surviving black boxes. The purpultion of the blast alone could have sent small pieces, sailing damage free, for 100s of miles.
It would have been vaporized.
That’s not how explosions work. They don’t vaporize everything. They send a large amount of force outward almost instantaneously. Often this is accompanied by high heat near the source, but it’s not necessarily (and often isn’t) high enough heat to vaporize most metals.
I agree completely. It depends on the yield of the thermonuclear explosion. With the DS2, you could SWAG a yield of 1,000 megatons, for example (could be more?). You have millions and millions of degrees at the core of the explosion. At that large a yield, it should vaporize anything out to a substantial distance. Even the Trinity explosion (a firecracker by comparison) vaporized most, not all, of the steel tower it was on. But, as I said, it’s up to the writers to determine if the lightsaber survived or not…LOL.
I don’t wanna be ‘that guy’ but…
“thermOdynamics”. “PROpulSion”.
So not according to shit that does not apply to a fucking fantasy movie with magic and impossible technology.
Do you even understand what they were saying? Jeigh was replying to darthracer777 and trying to show that even in the real world it could potentially survive.
As explained in a Life Debt interlude, large pieces of scrap from the DS1 survived. Enough scrap to potentially build a space station for the survivors of Alderaan. So it is canon that at least the first Death Star didn’t completely vaporize.
It also implies that wasn’t really his saber.
Yes, Aftermath implues heavily that the vendor is a swindler. It’s not his.
I believe that I have read somewhere (maybe even SWNN) that Bobbajo was on DS2 right before it exploded and somehow came into contact with Vaders saber before selling it on Jakku…
Id like to think this is what happened but who knows.
Bobbajo was on the first Death Star (allegedly). We still don’t know if his story was accurate or not. He was telling a story to comfort some children during a hostage situation. The ending of the story does lend some plausibility to his story, though.
He could have meditated about his father & found the crystal through the force. Maybe it fell onto Endor after the Death Star blew up & Luke was drawn to it. Or maybe Kylo was and Luke took it from him. There are lots of plausible (in the context of Star Wars) ways that all or part of the lightsaber could be in Luke’s possession. None of this even contradicts Wookieepedia, which isn’t really wouldn’t bother me anyway. I wouldn’t set artificial limits on the story — as long as it doesn’t contradict anything seen on screen, I’m good.
Hey guys thanks for reading my take on it all. I love the back and forth. To clarify where I am coming from:
1) I personally don’t feel Rian Johnson of all people needs to stretch retcon so much to tell a compelling story.
2) Anakin’s lightsaber was destroyed by a press in a droid factory but not destroyed by a nuclear/megaton explosion of the Death Star?
3) Battlefront II alleges Inferno Squad retrieves it and his helmet from Endor, so we are not inferring Luke bothered to go get it? What would be his purpose for doing that? Logically.
Again, this is just my take on what the crystal could/couldn’t be, as much as someone believing someone could have found it, kept it, and escaped the Death Star in time to go sell it at a market somewhere.
1. Sure, but no retcon is really needed here. It might confuse some people, but when you actually think about it, it’s possible.
2. Entirely possible. We’re talking about two different kinds of forces here. One is direct application of force on a solid object by two other (ostensibly less compressible) solid objects. In this scenario, the more compressible object (the lightsaber) loses. In the DS2 explosion case, you have a solid object being acted on by a fluid (compressed gas from the explosion). In this scenario, the gas that acts on the lightsaber must compress a lot before it has enough force to crush the lightsaber. If the heat from the explosion is high enough, the lightsaber could atomize, but what is more likely to occur is that the lightsaber and other pieces of rubble are flung outward at great speed. This happens all the time in large explosions. Go look at the remains of nuclear detonation sites. Some stuff vaporizes, like organics and such with low vaporization points, but the bulk of the non-organic stuff is still there, albeit flung across great distances and possibly in smaller pieces.
3. I’m not sure what you’re talking about here. BF2 hasn’t come out yet, nor has the novel Inferno Squad. Am I missing something?
I hate this whole idea, but that said……”The strongest stars have hearts of kyber”. The crystal itself isn’t likely to be destroyed.
It’s indeed established in Catalyst that Kybers are almost impossible to destroy.
Which makes you think why Kylo Ren’s is cracked.
Because Kazdan and Abrams didn’t really think their story through very well? Am I close?
No, you aren’t, because Kylo’s crystal being cracked isn’t even part of the story. It’s a canon detail, that doesnt’ have anything to do with Kazan and Abram’s screenplay.
Three observations:
1 – The Wookieepedia entry doesn’t give a source for this information, so unless it is directly stated by an actual canon source, it isn’t canon that he only had one saber.
2 – Until canon material confirmed otherwise, most of us assumed that Luke’s lightsaber fell outside of Cloud City into the depths of Bespin (I’m ignoring the EU here). There was even a piece of debris that was likely meant to be his hand and saber falling down into the planet, yet it was retconned that the saber was recovered from Cloud City and made its way into TFA without any explanation in the film.
3 – Just because the script says it fell into the shaft does not mean it can’t be changed. It is also possible that the kyber was resilient enough to survive the explosion (it could also be a shard rather than a whole crystal). It is canon that there was enough salvageable debris from the first Death Star to apparently build a space station for the Alderaanian survivors, so a small, durable crystal could have plausibly survived the DS2 explosion. Also, they could retcon it that Luke used the Force to quickly recover the saber (conveniently caught on something in the shaft). Stranger things have happened. And I don’t think it would require much explanation in the film since we have so far had nothing explaining the Skywalker saber’s survival either.
your name is appropriate, ya hound! haha cheers.
Haha. Yep. 🙂
Not sure the falling debris was ever meant to be his hand. And remember, it was like a minute after his hand was cut off before he jumped.
Hard to tell, but it looks rather saber-like. It also has what looks to be cloth attached to it, which is incorrect continuity-wise as Luke’s sleeve is intact, but I assume they threw it together quickly for the shot.
And I always assumed it either wasn’t heavy enough to trigger the door until Luke landed or was stuck on the antenna.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1da3fc33ee226ef29d7246193fb5cbc4a2d43201c5762bcf1262c40c0398c01e.jpg
It’s part of the antenna.
Now it is. My point was that it isn’t clear that that was always the case. There is no clear indication in the film that it broke off from the antenna.
and no clear indication it was his hand either
Hence my not saying it definitely was. It is ambiguous enough to not create a continuity error either way.
That’s why I also provided evidence that it wasn’t the hand and saber from the script.
Agreed. It was never the hand.
“… It is canon that there was enough salvageable debris from the first Death Star to apparently build a space station for the Alderaanian survivors…”
It is? When did this happen? I’m not calling your claim into question, it’s just obviously from something I’ve not yet read.
It was mentioned in a Life Debt interlude. Huge cargo ships deliver the debris to the Alderaan “flotilla” of seven ships where the survivors are living.
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Orliss growls, “I still don’t know what that is or why we’d want it.”
But Tanzer sees it. He smirks. “It’s pieces of that damnable Death Star. Isn’t it?”
“It is, it is.” Teven laughs and nods. “They reduced us to scrap. Now we get theirscrap as reparations for war. This is just the first lot of it, too. Quite a bit more coming if we say the word.”
“We could build a whole space station of our own,” the regent administrator says, beaming.
Okay. I’ve not yet read Life Debt. That seems a bit odd. I’m not sure I’d want to live in something made in the debris of the weapon that nearly exterminated my people. And is metal that precious a commodity that it would make sense to go this route?
Anyway, thanks for posting. I’m not sure if I’ll get around to Life Debt. I didn’t much care for Aftermath, although I’ve heard the other installments were much better and I actually did quite like the interludes.
Thanks!
It is an odd idea. I think it’s more about the symbolism of reparations/spoils of war and recycling it into something to sustain life rather than actually needing the material. But you would think it would creep them out.
The debris falling from the bottom of Cloud City is a piece of the antenna that Luke lands on.
Nice editorial, John. I completely agree.
Hell, I’m having a tough time with the notion that somebody managed to recover Luke’s original lightsaber from the depths of that reactor shaft on Cloud City. But at least that’s theoretically possible – they didn’t blow up Cloud City immediately after Luke lost his saber there, after all.
The idea that Vader’s saber could get dropped down a similarly “bottomless” shaft on the second Death Star mere minutes before the entire station is blown to smithereens, and then somehow the crystal from that saber ends up being recovered… nope. That requires prequel-level retconning along with a suspension of disbelief that, IMHO, is completely unreasonable.
Yeah, it’s a cool little idea that Luke would wear the red crystal from his father’s lightsaber as a reminder of what happened and what Luke himself could so easily become – but then again, that’s what he’s got his un-skinned cybernetic hand for.
This post. Case closed.
Except Vader saber never fell down there. Only in screenplay, which very well could be jut screenplay. Isn’t that right?
I never once questioned that Vader’s hand and saber didn’t fall down that shaft. It’s hanging over the edge of the thing. It’s also quite an elegant bit of storytelling. Luke’s hand and saber took the plunge in ESB. Vader’s does in ROTJ. I also appreciate the symbolism of the thing. Vader starts losing his touch with the dark side at this moment. His hand and lightsaber – both instruments of misery and cruelty – precede the Emperor’s plunge by just a few moments.
Unless the laws of physics suddenly ceased to function for that one brief moment, there was nowhere else for Vader’s saber to go but down that shaft once Luke cut his hand off.
But again, this is like suggesting that Luke may not have actually blown up the Death Star because we didn’t see a shot of his torpedoes striking the reactor – leaving open the possibility that some Imperial broom-pusher just happened to knock over his glass of blue milk on the reactor console just as Luke was launching his torps.
Is that really the kind of storytelling we want to see from the Sequel Trilogy?
Laws of physics in Star Wars? Then why isn’t everyone rolling on the ceiling when they flip the Death Star upside down?
“THIS WEAPON IS YOUR LIFE” is the Star Wars equivalent to “LACES OUT!” from Ace Ventura: Never mind lava & missing limbs – Obi-wan REALLY damaged Anakin when he endlessly busted his chops about losing his lightsaber, which is why there are 50 x backup red Vader sabers on Mustafar in his castle *cackle*
TINFOIL HAT COMMENT: In the Aftermath book trilogy, the Acolytes of the Beyond have a red lightsaber that is never confirmed as Vader’s, but implied obliquely; their stated goal was to ‘return it to him in death…’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2-Ha6PgpA
I interpreted that part on Aftermath like it really wasn’t his lightsaber. The vender was just swindling those Acolytes because they would have believed anything.
yes that’s what i gathered from it.
Star Wars fan theories are the living worst.
Five Nights at Freddy’s wants to share a drink.
*shudder*
Deadly you usually know these things… was there ever mention that Vader had more than one lightsaber? That may have been EU i’m remembering
None that I am aware. Unless it was in the comics.
Why is anyone talking about the screenplay? Screenplays are irrelevant, it’s what’s on film that counts. At no point in the movie is the sabre shown falling down the shaft.
It isn’t shown not to have fallen down the shaft either.
The same bit of platform is shown shortly afterwards, with no sabre in it.
Vader standing up is never shown, he could conceivably have picked it up and clipped it to his belt.
Anything is possible, you cannot use a pre filming pre editing screenplay as evidence for anything, screenplays are not canon.
We never actually see Luke’s proton torpedoes hit the Death Star’s main reactor in ANH either.
Who’s to say that there wasn’t a light switch in the reactor control room that was accidently wired back-to-front, and some poor unsuspecting Imperial non-com just happened to flip it on right after Luke fired his torpedoes and THAT was what set off the chain reaction.
Perhaps Luke never really blew up the Death Star at all.
Anything is possible!
There’s a funny fan video in that story… turns out the Death Star was just a big industrial disaster… Gary the Storm Trooper got behind on his OSHA safety training and backed a fork lift into the reactor core and … BOOM!
Dude… it was ALWAYS Gary. I don’t know what his mom spiked his blue milk with as an infant, but whenever something got snafu’ed six ways to Sunday, and Gary was around, it ALWAYS turned out to be Gary’s fault. That fork lift incident on the Death Star was just the capper to a career… hell, an entire LIFETIME… of accident-prone fiascoes on Gary’s part.
You know that AT-ACT that was wandering around the Scarif battlefield with its cargo doors down and ended up getting blown in half because of it? Guess whose last job before getting transferred to the Death Star was to fix the latches on those doors. You got it – Gary.
Know who had been polishing the knobs on the tractor beam coupling terminal that Obi Wan used to shut the Death Star’s tractor beam down, but forgot to lock down the damned thing’s access controls when he was done? I’ll give you one guess.
Hell, the poor dumb bastard couldn’t even enter a room without it all going wrong…
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b0d592ae0bcd4fbbffae8b177be4cab0b5dee2f637c83b5c513011c964869612.gif
There was, as it were, Something About Gary.
Okay, so maybe its not Vader’s saber-crystal, perhaps this saber-crystal once belonged to his wife Mara Jade who Kylo Ren and the Knights of Ren killed… 😉
This would be a terrible non-sense. What for would this be necessary?
What interest would Luke have to have this kyber cristal? It is obvious
that this is a collecting fan idea. No Jedi or someone working on a
spiritual path like Luke is would have any need of this kind of
attachment.
I really hope that this next two chapter of the skywalker story will
make no much importance to the dark site more than putting in value the
higher understanding of the universe that the main characters will
find….
That’s what I thought, regardless if Vader’s saber survived, why would Luke even want a dark side crystal? The only thing I can think of is because red crystals are made by like making them super evil, and Luke was trying to somehow cleanse his dad’s crystal?
you mean how ahsoka got her white crystals from the inquisitor in the novel? Perhaps there’s something stopping Luke from getting the crystal back from the blood red. The thing is, we have no idea why he would have it. Could be many reasons.
Well I hope this isn’t going to be true. Why would Luke even want to keep it for one, and secondly though possible its going to seem odd because most people saw it fall into the depths of the Death Star Mark 2 before it exploded shortly after. Yes its possible it survived, but its a stretch and I hope Rian’s not pulling it off for the story because it appeals to him (a bit like moving Kylo’s scar).
How is it a stretch? Luke is a magical space wizard. Maybe the magical space crystal called to him after it fell into the teddy bear kingdom.
Well its science fiction, but there is still surviving the explosion and then falling through the atmosphere of Endor. Seems like a stretch to me to include
Sure, why not?
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“How did you get that?!!!”
“A gooooood story, for another time!!!!”
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I mean, it’s not like the current trilogy has felt any need to do anything apart from lampshade stupid, unlikely, and unnecessary coincidences so far….
I agree with this article and it was literally the first thing I thought when I read that theory. We all know Vader’s lightsaber was destroyed.
Now, Luke’s green one, on the other hand, was alive and well at the end of ROTJ. I hope it makes a comeback.
We also know that Han shot first, but we saw how that turned out 😉
As much as I enjoy Han shot first related humor, I don’t think this is the same kind of scenario.
Putting this question of “does Luke have Vader’s crystal” aside – am I the only one not really happy with this whole “kyber crystal” thing becoming canon? I know it was in Lucas’s early drafts for Star Wars, and it was a plot device in the “Splinter of the Mind’s Eye” novel that came out shortly after ANH – but I was always glad it was dropped or “de-canonized” because it always seemed like a lame, cheesy idea. I know there were some episodes of “The Clone Wars” that brought the concept back, but that was a cartoon and not the films so it wasn’t really a big deal to me. I was a little disappointed to see the concept make its way into Rogue One. That lightsabers function because of these magic-like Force imbued stones is bad enough, but that the powerful planet-killing Death Star laser also required them to work was even worse. Maybe it’s just me, but it’s not a concept I dig. It’s too fairy tale. I know Star Wars isn’t “hard” science fiction and I like a vast majority of the fantasy and fairy tale aspects it includes, but these kyber crystals take it a bit too far in my opinion.
Honestly, it’s taken me quite a while to warm up to the idea. I loved the idea of the kyber crystal…but from more of a “corny 70’s idea that never came to fruition” sort of angle. That being said, I’m pretty much okay with it now. I don’t mind the lightsabers being powered by them, although I’d rather the kyber crystals just be rare elements that do a fantastic job of focusing energy rather than being attuned to the Force or whatever. The Death Star’s laser being powered by them also took some getting used to. But I don’t half mind the idea that this horrid weapon of destruction runs on crystals once used to protect the galaxy. There is a neat and twisted sort of irony there.
Still, I probably prefer the idea of the Death Star being just a big, mechanical laser gun.
“Still, I probably prefer the idea of the Death Star being just a big, mechanical laser gun.” Agreed, 100%.
Really though, it’s not a huge deal for me – more of a minor gripe. It doesn’t “ruin” Star Wars for me, just not the story decision I would have preferred. It’s not the first such instance, and I’m sure it won’t be the last. Maybe like you I’ll warm up to the idea eventually….
To me kyber crystals were always fine, because it was just the focusing crystal for a lightsaber. For the longest time I never cared about the force aspect of Star Wars because I loved all of the technology they had. But the kyber crystals I don’t think are just things that showed up in a few places, they were in many games that I used to play, and were a big chunk of star wars
Maybe rubies are his birth stone.
Or maybe light sabers are like I-Phones and Vader recently got a free upgrade from Verizon, so it was his new I-Phone…errr…Light Saber 6 that fell down the shaft, but his old one was back in the castle in the night stand next to his bed. You know, kind of like when my kid dropped his I-Phone 6 in the toilet.
too much retcon and exposition. He sold his saber 5 headphones, and they would have to explain how he found another pair.
Still waiting for the explanation of how Maz got that Anakin saber from the depths of Cloud City.
Meh, I guess we’ll find out someday.
Maybe.
“a story for another time..”
Maybe dont have the headline for your stories on the main page spoilerey,for those of us who want to stay spoiler free
This is probably not going to happen, but I thought it’d be cool if Vader’s suit actually had its own Kyber crystal, maybe embedded in the chest plate as part of the electronics.
The acquisition of Vader’s lightsaber was one of the through points of some of the aside chapters in the Aftermath series. Wendig was good to keep it really obscure as to what saber the Vader worshippers had found, never describing it beyond that it was a lightsaber with a red blade, but if Anakin/Luke’s saber was able to survive falling down the shaft in Cloud City a precedent could be set that Vader’s saber could have survived as well. If it was found, it would make sense that over the thirty year period between ROTJ and TFA that whomever had it would try and kill Luke and he would then take the saber after defeating them.
That all being said, unless there’s a really valid story reason for this being true I think it’s unnecessary and could possibly clutter the narrative.
Idk..but what I DO know, is that a certain someone’s severed hand and a lightsaber were set to survive the depths of space..and a crash landing to a certain planet. So..I guess anything is possible at this point.
So wait, Vader’s lightsaber is snoke?
disney expertise at recovering lost and blown up sabers is amazing
I’d like to see Luke with his green Jedi lightsaber since it’s always been my favorite of all the films but I have a feeling he will be long dead before we ever see him use one. Especially since he really does seem to be the Yoda of the film.
Agree 100% with what you said about Luke’s green saber being the best, I always much preferred it to his father’s blue one. But I hope you’re wrong about not seeing him use any time soon. I really hope we see it spark up again in The Last Jedi.
I agree with the both of you in hoping that we see Luke wield the green blade again. But, I have a feeling that Luke will be like Yoda and Palpatine in the sense that at this point in his life he feels that he doesn’t need one. I hope though, that I am 100% wrong about this.
he’s only supposed to be 53 exactly the same age as mace windu last time we saw him so I’m sure we can get some lightsaber action
Slow news day?
If Lucasfilm can cash in selling trinkets & jewelry ala LOTR & Harry Potter in the Noble Collection catalog, they’ll find a way to justify anything in the plot.
yeah..and how weird would it be that it IS vader’s crystal and he hasn’t been able to pull the dark side nature from it, enter Rey…together, the crystal clears and Luke builds his white saber (like Ahsoka’s white crystals from the inquisitors saber in the novel…minus needing help)
Idk..i keep thinking about this all day for some reason. You see Ahsoka come back to rebels with white sabers and we find out where they came from from the novel. It really wouldn’t take this whole crazy retcon that keeps getting mentioned to say how he got it. It would be as simple as, Rey: Is that a Kyber crystal on your necklace?
Luke: It belonged to my father, when he was lost in the dark side. It was found in the debris of the death star and it called to me.
it could literally be ANYTHING. any little 2 or 3 sentence conversation to clear it up enough for the movie. And then, like everything is now, we will end up with a book, comic, etc. explaining the specific details. Nobody had a problem with vaders helmet that was burn in a HUGE fire showing up in his grandsons panic room 30 years later, and we STILL don’t have a solid answer of HOW, WHO, or even WHY it was retrieved. We have an idea that was alluded to it in that little story we got, but it still never confirms thats how the mask got from endor. So all i’m saying is…relax i guess. It’s really not that hard to make these things plausible. It comes down to each persons own feelings on whether they want to believe it can happen or not (until we get the real story)
True…. however, look at all the trouble they took to bring back Luke’s lightsaber after disappearing.
Well Bespin didn’t explode violently after his lightsaber fell.
Notice how the the bar that Luke cuts through is already cut before he slices it, as is Vader’s glove. All the unnecessary things the Special Edition changed about the originals and they still leave stuff like that in.
True. But in real-time, it was almost impossible to see. I never noticed it until this still-shot. Plus, it was the 80s man! For the time, that was as good as effects guys could hope for. We could spend forever and a day debating what the Special Editions should or shouldn’t have changed, but what would be the point? The movies are what they are – warts and all (and that includes both the Original and the Special Editions).
I can see Vader having more than one Kyber crystal for a lightsaber. If his saber had been destroyed at some point, he’d need a backup crystal. Better to have one on standby if he needed to build another weapon than go looking for another crystal.
Just like ol’ Sheev..
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Palpatine%27s_lightsabers
No.
Maybe those crystals are very durable and could survive an explosion? Or maybe it shattered into pieces (and Kylo has the other piece in his saber. Do they still work in a saber if they’re broken?). Stranger things have happened.
Luke did save Vader’s body and the suit of armor from the Death Star. Maybe the necklace was being worn by Anakin under everything, or somehow encased in the armor itself.
It may not be Vader’s crystal but the more important question is: Why does Luke have a dark side crystal hanging around his neck?
The answer could well be for the same reason Yoda built his home on top of a Dark Side nexus, to hide from Dark Side users (Snoke and the Knights of Ren). It would certainly explain why the First Order has been unable to locate the last Jedi and why the map was so important to them.
Vaders saber was sold to a group of “hooded” people in Star Wars: Aftermath…years after return of the jedi…so that would mean it wasn’t destroyed in the explosion of death star v2
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/09/04/9-important-new-details-from-star-wars-aftermath
I think Vader’s saber got destroyed when DS2 blew up. Easy as that.
Though it was alluded to, the interlude never explicitly states who that lightsabers original owner was.
If it’s owner is in fact someone from the existing canon, then it’s possible the hooded group (acolytes of the sith?) purchased one of Palpatine’s lightsabers.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Palpatine%27s_lightsabers
You need to re-read that part of the book (if you can stand the terrible writing) The passage in the book even clarifies that it was probably not Vader’s Saber, but most likely a replica.
How hard are kyber crystals? Can they survive explosion of death star. In Rogue One the Empire were taking tons of kyber crystals. May be they are floating in space.
Interesting…I don’t have the link but check out YouTube,,some guy come up with a story about Ashoka and Luke. Let me tell you,,,Filoni needs to run with this guys story. It’s amazing (IMO).
Here is part 3,,the first two you can find from here…good stuff that this article reminded me of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LShZj3sS-3w
…Or they could give it to him and give you no reason like they did for Luke’s saber in VII. It’s never explained in the films, i don’t read the books and all that other BS. They really should’ve explained it in the film but they didnt, could be the same case here.