Editorial: Are Two Key Star Wars: The Force Awakens Newcomers Related?

My Sister Has ItBack when Star Wars: Return Of The Jedi came out, we were hit with the bombshell that Luke and Leia were siblings (and afterward, we immediately thought of how retroactively awkward it was that she kissed him on the lips… twice). Recent information and less-than-recent speculation have popped up that suggest a similar twist may be in order for two new cast members in Star Wars: The Force Awakens.

 

POTENTIAL SPOILERS AHEAD!

 

Ren & ReyPictured above: what might be the most dangerous exercise in family bonding.

 

As many of you were probably able to guess (or if you were savvy enough to look at the tags for this article before clicking on it), I’m of the belief that Kylo Ren and Rey are related in some capacity. There are a lot of reasons for this, so let’s start off with some recent revelations from the awakening ad campaign for this movie. Let’s look at the narration for the first television spot:

Maz Kanata: I have lived long enough to see the same eyes in different people. I see your eyes… I know your eyes!

In fiction, the eyes are often the windows to the soul – if someone has “familiar eyes”, it means that their fate is tied to someone else’s. This usually comes about in a simple explanation: “You have your mother’s/father’s eyes.” This could be subtle sign that could be discussing what new generations inherit. Considering the theme of that ad is “every generation has a story”, it’s not hard to see where they’re going with it – it seems as if Maz is telling the person she’s talking to that she’s familiar with at least one person in their family. Given that Rey is the first focus of the trailer, it’s possible that Maz is talking to her (more on Maz and Rey later).

 

There’s also the little matter of the Topps cards. RickyBoyBlue over at Tumblr made a couple of astute observations about them. He noted that the previous selections to gain certain cards came in pairs – one card is related to the Original Trilogy, while the other is related to The Force Awakens. For instance, there’s one of Han and Chewie as they appear in front of the Millennium Falcon on Mos Eisley, and there’s one of them standing in the cockpit of the ship. There’s another of C-3PO and R2-D2 chilling out, and there’s one of BB-8 rolling along. So when this showed up, he had reason to try and connect a few dots:Possible RelationsAs mentioned above, Luke and Leia are indeed siblings, and there is a pattern to these images. So it seems as though the Topps cards are trying to tell us a little something about Kylo Ren and Rey. Now, I was never a fan of that theory that their parents gave them the cutesy, cringe-inducing names of Kira Rey and Kylo Ren (since “Kira” was established as a production name for Rey’s character early on, and we have since learned that Kylo Ren is a unique title and not an actual name), but I never necessarily excluded the possibility of the characters potentially being related.

 

In fact, there was a little detail from not too long ago that got me thinking more deeply on the subject. In that recent video from J. J. Abrams, George Lucas – who was involved with the early development of The Force Awakens as a creative consultant and not much else – asked the director tasked with carrying on his legacy about what happened to Anakin’s grandchildren. True to form, J. J. laughed nervously and respectfully dismissed the question (which was the only one that had much to do with the plot of The Force Awakens, albeit indirectly). The response that was something to the effect of “Well, George, you made this sh**, you should know the answer!” – delivered respectfully and humorously. Note the plurality of the statement – grandchildren, not grandchild. And note that Abrams didn’t completely dismiss the prospect of there being Skywalker kids in his movie, either.

 

“Family” is said to be one of the big themes of The Force Awakens, and perhaps the reason why that is might be closer to us then we have been led to believe. From the sound of things, it appears as though Leia sees Poe Dameron as a son she never had, while Han might hold Finn in a similar regard. Kathleen Kennedy, however, has confirmed that the Episode movies will focus on the Skywalker family as a whole, while the Anthology films are about potentially everything else… so that means that at least one new Skywalker has to be involved in the Sequel Trilogy, and presumably The Force Awakens. Why not throw in another Skywalker into the mix for good measure?

 

I doubt that I’m the first person to notice this, but the maskless image of Kylo Ren bears some resemblance to Anakin Skywalker as he appeared in Revenge Of The Sith.

Anakin Skywalker & Kylo Ren

We know that the photo of Kylo Ren as he appears here isn’t misdirection, as we can briefly see his black hair while he is unmasked in the last moments of the theatrical trailer. So don’t expect him to be some kind of hideous-looking alien or something – what you see is what you get.

 

Note that, in spite of a few similarities, there are a few noticeable differences between the way Hayden Christensen and Adam Driver look – Driver’s hair is a much darker color, and he’s got a longer-looking face. Conversely, Rey not only looks like the spitting image of Padmé (as many have already noted)…

Padme & ReyImage edited by SWNN’s Hard Case.

 

…but she looks a lot like a female version of Luke when he was in his prime!

 

Luke Rey 3Also edited by Hard Case. Another comparison from Hard Case can be seen here.

 

Just so we’re clear, I don’t believe that J. J. Abrams picked these two up-and-coming stars just because they are talented in acting. I think that he had a specific look in mind when he was casting these characters. Now, with the physical appearance of the two potential grandkids of Anakin Skywalker out of the way, I’m going to go on a tangent – but I’ll come back to this later in the article. For now, I’m going to discuss something else related to the subject that’s equally relevant. A common theory was that Rey and Kylo Ren were twins (without the stupid-sounding twin-naming convention), which is something I was completely dismissive of (since Adam Driver is 31 and Daisy Ridley is 23, and their characters are probably 3-4 years younger than that)… that is, until recently, when Kathleen Kennedy said that twins might run in the Skywalker family.

Jacen Jaina 1For fans of the now-defunct Star Wars Expanded Universe, the idea of two siblings that are grandchildren to Anakin might sound a bit familiar. In that version of the setting, there were a pair of children who were born to Han and Leia Solo named Jacen and Jaina (cutsey twin names that aren’t extremely putrid and painful to read). The two became the primary protagonists of the post-Galactic Civil War era in the Star Wars Legends setting, becoming major players in defeating the Yuuzhan Vong and the Killik. Unfortunately, Jacen felt that he had to turn to the Dark Side in order to, which resulted in millions of deaths in another Galactic Civil War, which ultimately led to the New Republic falling apart and a new, “enlightened” iteration of the Galactic Empire rising in its place, and Jaina had to kill him. Cheery!

 

While the later developments of this storyline – particularly, the depressing turn swerve the Legacy Of The Force novels took – weren’t particularly liked by EU fans for a number of reasons, the idea itself does not make for a bad narrative. Anakin’s story arc in the Revenge Of The Sith was essentially about his love of his family being exploited by Palpatine, leading him to the Dark Side, while the focus of Luke’s story arc in Return Of The Jedi ultimately became how the love for his father brought him back to the Light. Perhaps then, the story arc of the Sequel Trilogy might be about how the love for Anakin Skywalker could drive people apart as opposed to bringing them together – with one child following the example of his life as Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker, and the other infatuated by the idea of the Sith Lord Darth Vader.

Jacen Jaina 2With that in mind, I personally don’t think it’s likely that they’re twins in spite of the hints to the contrary. As I mentioned earlier, there’s an eight-year difference between the ages of Adam Driver and Daisy Ridley, which is something that’s going to show on the screen itself. Furthermore, the two don’t look much alike. But that certainly does not rule out blood relations at all. But while some are suggesting that they might still be siblings, I’m thinking outside the box with this one. In the end, what I think is going to happen is that Kylo Ren is the long-lost son of Han Solo and Leia Organa, while Rey is Luke Skywalker’s baby girl. Instead of making the two characters brother and sister, they would be cousins instead. For one thing, Kylo Ren bears a passing resemblance to his hypothetical grandfather while Rey has a lot of her hypothetical grandmother and her hypothetical father. If they were both siblings, they would be a little more likely to resemble one side of the family over the other.

 

Certain rumored story elements – including a few that Making Star Wars has come across – would support this. It’s basically been confirmed in the Journey To The Force Awakens books that Han Solo and Leia Organa are not together at the beginning of The Force Awakens, but that they don’t seem to be mad at one another – they even hug in a scene in the theatrical trailer. Another rumor involves Han having some kind of angst about Kylo Ren that’s been tearing him apart from the inside for several years. At one point, Kylo Ren is said to find the Millennium Falcon without its crew, sitting in the cockpit solemnly while reflecting upon something. I would argue that these three story elements are linked – Kylo Ren was Han and Leia’s son that was somehow taken from them, which probably did irrevocable damage to their kinship. Upon learning of this – perhaps after being brainwashed into believing a lie from either Snoke or the Knights Of Ren – Kylo starts to reflect on the life that was taken from him. In any case, it sounds as though this character is not going to be a simple one-and-done villain like Darth Maul or Wilhuff Tarkin, and that his story will be told in the two other Sequel Trilogy films.

Jacen Jaina 3Rumors about Rey’s backstory are more clear, however. The international trailer may have made mention of her waiting for her parents, but it’s never established who exactly they are. I think the “parents” Rey is referring to are actually adoptive guardians as opposed to biological parents who were tasked with keeping her safe – as hey, that wouldn’t be a first for the Skywalker family. I don’t think she knows that, though, and that she thinks that her adopted parents are her biological parents. What I think is that Luke could have handed her off to a couple he felt he could trust with her – Han and Leia would probably be out of the question if the incident with their kid happened that early into their marriage or whatever their relationship is, and if the KOR were targeting the children of Anakin’s heirs, Luke would most likely want Rey to keep a low profile until he could come back for her. The couple raising mysteriously disappeared years into Rey’s life (and probably died, because Disney loves their orphans), but Rey is able to adapt to life on the hellhole of Jakku by use of her engineering skills and her latent Force abilities (that she’s unaware of) to survive. This is something that may be supported in the trailers with Maz Kanata’s narration – and presuming that she’s indeed talking to Rey, then I think that she’s the type of character that is going to partake in the refusal of the call before finally letting the Force in by the end of the movie. Since Daisy Ridley is signed on for the other two Sequel Trilogy movies, it’s safe to presume that she her story is going to be crucial to this leg of the Star Wars saga.

 

Ultimately, the paths of the two separate characters would put them on a collision course to do battle with one another. The potential relationship might not be completely revealed until Episode VIII, but if I’m on the right trail here, it does set up a new kind of family conflict. Rey would have to make a choice to either save or destroy her fallen cousin who is consumed by the ideas left by Darth Vader; in a sense, she would be following the principles Anakin Skywalker ultimately believed in for most of his young life and in his final hours, and the conflict would boil down to how she chooses to destroy the tainted legacy he left behind in his wicked years – by either killing or redeeming Kylo Ren. Hopefully, this story won’t end on the same dreary note that Jacen and Jaina’s did.

 

What do you think? Please vote in the poll below and tell us in the comments:

 

 

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Grant has been a fan of Star Wars for as long as he can remember, having seen every movie on the big screen. When he’s not hard at work with his college studies, he keeps himself busy by reporting on all kinds of Star Wars news for SWNN and general movie news on the sister site, Movie News Net. He served as a frequent commentator on SWNN’s The Resistance Broadcast.

Grant Davis (Pomojema)

Grant has been a fan of Star Wars for as long as he can remember, having seen every movie on the big screen. When he’s not hard at work with his college studies, he keeps himself busy by reporting on all kinds of Star Wars news for SWNN and general movie news on the sister site, Movie News Net. He served as a frequent commentator on SWNN’s The Resistance Broadcast.

134 thoughts on “Editorial: Are Two Key Star Wars: The Force Awakens Newcomers Related?

  • November 10, 2015 at 12:06 am
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    Why do lots of people think Luke had children? Weren’t the Jedi supposed to give up Family and attachments and live a monk like existence. I’m pretty sure it was forbidden for them to have romantic relationships. So if Luke was the ‘Last of the Jedi’, how or why would he have had a kid?

    • November 10, 2015 at 12:15 am
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      Because people hated it in prequels. They want Luke have kids. They want Rey be Skywalker.

      And reasons why was Anakin so easily manipulated by Palpatine is because jedi systematically taking away Anakin family first Ahsoka then Padme.

      • November 10, 2015 at 4:24 am
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        First his mom.

    • November 10, 2015 at 12:19 am
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      That was the old Jedi order. Luke’s attachment to his father was the reason Anakin turned from the Dark Side. Also, Yoda and Ben broke tradition by training Luke when he was older than even his father was. Yoda and Ben told Luke he needed to kill Vader, but Luke trusted the Force and believed he could turn his father back to the light. The old Jedi Order were flawed in many ways.
      If Qui-Gon had lived, he would have likely helped Anakin through his feelings and eventually reformed the Jedi. He disobeyed the council before as Obi-Wan said in ep1.

    • November 10, 2015 at 12:34 am
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      The thing is, that specific practice is a key reason as to why the Jedi were so few – no heirs means less people to carry on your message. The entire structure of the Jedi Order as presented in the Prequel Trilogy was shown as being heavily flawed, as the whole “no attachments” thing is what drove the plot of the later two movies. Luke would certainly not revive the Jedi Order in such a way where it would be susceptible to fall just as it did twenty years before he was born. Plus, we know that he’d have at least three Force spirits telling him what he should and shouldn’t do if he asked for advice.

      Canonically speaking, based on George Lucas’s testimony, the Jedi were permitted to have sex, but they couldn’t actually become attached to anyone. Meaning that they left a lot of people after one-night-stands, in a kind of aloof and uncaring way. It explains why Obi-Wan isn’t particularly shocked that Padmé is bearing Anakin’s child, and it kind of puts the whole situation with the Jedi Order and attachment into more of a gray area.

      – Pomojema

      • November 10, 2015 at 12:48 am
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        If the Jedi are not allowed to have a wife, but there is nothing wrong with them having one-night stands, then the old order is even more flawed than you imply. I doubt GL would stand by your comments, I also doubt that a presumably feminist movie like TFA would feature the love child of Luke Skywalker conceived after a one-night stand !

        • November 10, 2015 at 1:41 am
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          Don’t shoot the messenger – it’s basically what GL said (http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0058482/).

          I’m not saying that Rey is going to be born out of wedlock. I highly doubt that. What I’m saying is that the Jedi of the new era will be doing away with that concept entirely.

          I do not think that any SW character going forward is going to be born outside of a married family unless the creators determine that it absolutely needs to happen for the sake of the story.

          – Pomojema

          • November 10, 2015 at 4:22 am
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            Why not? What would it matter to the story? One of my best friends was living with the mother of his children for 20 years prior to them getting married for insurance and financial purposed because he got sick. As far as we know marriage in a GFFA is completely different than ANYTHING we have on Earth. Especially since just here on Earth the definition of what a marriage is and isn’t can vary from state to state, country to country, culture to culture, or between various branches of just about every religion. Marriage as WE know it in the western world is actually a fairly modern concept TBH. Rooted in a few thousand years of history maybe, but vastly different than what it would have been even a few hundred years ago. For the GFFA there are so many different species and cultures within each, just as there are with Humans on our one planet, that I don’t think it will even be addressed unless they specifically needed to address it for a cultural reason. Padme and Anakins wedding seemed very informal and mostly a technicality so viewers could wrap their heads around it within the context of our world. I don’t recall anyone ever actually mention them being married.

          • November 10, 2015 at 5:47 am
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            So glad he’s gone from the franchise. He’s been going soft in the head for 20 years now, Would not be surprised at all if he’s in the early stages of dementia.

          • November 10, 2015 at 5:52 am
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            The Jedi Code isn’t what did the Order in. If this was the case, it wouldn’t have taken the Sith centuries to dispose of their hated adversaries. The Jedi’s mistake was to grow too comfortable in their ways, too confident in their abilities (as Yoda wisely noted), believing that they were too big to fail till it was too late.

            The only thing that giving up this concept would do for the Jedi is make it easier for members of the Order to fall to the Dark Side. Their loved ones would only be easy targets for their enemies to exploit, exactly as Palpatine did with Anakin, through his fear of losing Padmé, and as Vader tried to do with Luke, by torturing his friends.

            Real life and fantasy both are full of examples of knightly orders where members have to take vows similar to the Jedi. In A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones, for instance, you’ve got not one but two orders where knights have to give up all kinds of material possessions and attachment: the Night’s Watch and the Kingsguard.

            Buddhists have been practicing a very Jedi-like lifestyle for over 2000 years now, and that hasn’t led to their extinction. The fact that most Westerners have trouble grasping the Eastern concept of non-attachment doesn’t mean Lucas was wrong for modelling the Jedi in this fashion.

      • November 10, 2015 at 4:23 pm
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        And here we come to Luke starting not “A New Jedi Order”, rather he creates the “Knights of Ren”… Ren (Chinese: 仁; pinyin: rén; Wade–Giles: jen) is the Confucian virtue denoting the good feeling a virtuous human experiences when being altruistic. Ren is exemplified by a normal adult’s protective feelings for children. It is considered the outward expression of Confucian ideals. (Wikipedia)

    • November 10, 2015 at 2:59 am
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      Luke didn’t know the traditions of the Jedi, he was making it up as he went. he only got occasional scraps of advice from the spirits of Obi-Wan and Yoda. Also, I personally feel that Anakin showed PASSION or selfish love leads to the dark side, but Luke turned around and showed that the same Love when used selflessly can be a tool of the light. It was lukes love and passion that saved the galaxy, not his detachment, so I feel like the Jedi order he built would be a lot different then the cold, detached order of Mace Windu and the Old Republic.

    • November 10, 2015 at 4:15 am
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      Is there anything published, anywhere, that strictly forbids a Jedi from being a sperm donor?

    • November 10, 2015 at 7:57 pm
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      This story of Skywalkers being in bad relationships is too old, they CAN´T go along these lines again. Anakin and Padme, now Han and Leia, would Luke too? This sucks!

  • November 10, 2015 at 12:12 am
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    I think you’re exactly correct. I hope.

  • November 10, 2015 at 12:20 am
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    What if Rey and Kylo are cousins, but Kathleen Kennedy’s twins comment is correct as well? Meaning, one of them has a twin sibling who is currently unknown, but will be revealed in VIII or IX? Jacen and Jaina did have another sibling…

    • November 10, 2015 at 12:22 am
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      That’s making the family tree a bit more complicated, but I could see that happening in a later Episode. Including that much of the Skywalker family tree in one movie might be a little too much to bear.

      Also, I chose not to bring up Anakin Solo because I figured that wasn’t important to this particular discussion. But no, I did not forget about him.

      – Pomojema

      • November 10, 2015 at 12:29 am
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        Sorry, didn’t mean to imply that you forgot, and did not know the context of KK’s comment.

        I really hope Rey is Luke’s child, as it would raise the question of her mother to be explored later.

        • November 10, 2015 at 12:39 am
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          I don’t think someone as significant as the mother of Luke’s son or daughter would be only implied off screen. In other words, if Rey were Luke’s sister, her mother would have to be in the trilogy at some point. Well, she’s not in Episode VII and there’s no indication she will be in Episode VIII either, which makes me highly skeptical of the hypothesis that Luke is Rey’s father. Besides, as I said before, it would be unnatural for a Jedi master to have children.

          • November 10, 2015 at 1:42 am
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            Oh, I think it’s a given that we’ll see Luke’s wife if he has one. Just not in TFA – there’s more than enough content for one movie as it is.

            – Pomojema

          • November 10, 2015 at 2:21 am
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            You are right. I personally think that Rey´s mother will be explored in a novel. It is very possible that we will see her at some point in the trilogy, but that would rise questions like – why the mother didn´t come to rescue Rey? To find her? All this time? Did she turn evil? There are really interesting questions to answer here…

          • November 10, 2015 at 2:32 am
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            I did initially wonder if Reys mother could be Rae Sloane but then I thought it might be odd having a mother and daughter with similar first names. Also she’s probably a bit old for Luke. Unless of course he likes the older lady.

          • November 10, 2015 at 2:24 am
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            As I stated many times – there´s is no one to blame Luke to make his own rules. No one. He is the last Jedi. Not even he can do whatever he wants or whatever he thinks is much better than the old Jedi ways. He could very well say I´m not a Jedi anymore, I want a normal life, there´s no Sith anymore, the Galaxy doesn´t need me…anythink is posible, including Luke being a father.

          • November 10, 2015 at 4:09 am
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            What gives you the idea that she wouldn’t be introduced in 8? For all we know she will be IN 7. There was no indication that Luke and Leia were siblings in Star Wars either until Yoda said it in RotJ yet we had been watching them for over 6 hours of movies. For all we know Phasma could be Lukes ex and Reys Mom, or Kylos mom, or Finns ex girlfriends step mom who’s trying to kill him for breaking up with her (yes it’s ridiculous) but the point is that we don’t know and there’s been nothing to indicate one way or the other whether Luke has ever gotten lucky, married, rolled behind a dumpster at a strip club, or not.

    • November 10, 2015 at 12:24 am
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      She didn’t have a “twins comment.” She dodged a question by giving a response that didn’t say yes or no. A yes or no answer would have given things away.

    • November 10, 2015 at 4:24 am
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      From the interview:

      “Us Magazine: As we know, twins tend to run in families. Fans are speculating that Rey and Kylo Ren (Adam Driver) could be twins. Do twins tend to run in the Skywalker family?

      “Kathleen Kennedy: They could!”

      She’s answering the questions exactly how she said she would: “Kathleen Kennedy: Uh-oh! I’ll dodge them artfully.”

  • November 10, 2015 at 12:21 am
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    are in the poll everyone comedians? XD

  • November 10, 2015 at 12:22 am
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    I say why not? Anakin had kids. In secrecy. Besides. After episode 6. Luke was the last jedi. He could have made his own rules. About getting a family. Anyway. After the trailers its quite clear that Rey is the new Skywalker. Everything is centered around her. Whether she is a Solo-skywalker or Skywalker remains to be seen. But I think its cool that we have a female Skywalker.

  • November 10, 2015 at 12:28 am
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    “that is, until recently, when Kathleen Kennedy said that twins might run in the Skywalker family.”

    That is out of context. She was asked a direct question – “Do twins tend to run in the Skywalker family?” – and avoided it by giving a noncommittal answer. If she had said yes, then we would know there are going to be twins at some point. If she had said no, then we could eliminate any possible twins. She said “they could,” which leaves it open and gives away nothing.

  • November 10, 2015 at 12:33 am
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    Rey doesn’t say on the trailer that she is waiting for her “parents”, but rather that she knows all about waiting “for her family”. To me that means she either got lost (or was abandoned, which is less likely) and spent most of her life while growing up on Jakku waiting for someone to come back and take her “home”, but that never happened (probably because her family thinks she is not alive). I may be completely wrong, but it’s the only explanation that makes sense to me.

    Personally, if I were writing the new movies, I’d have fresh characters with no family ties to the Skywalkers as I think the franchise should move away from this concept that SW is the story of the Skywalker family, The writers, producers and directors, however, disagree with me as they have made abundantly clear that the new movies are in continuity with the previous ones and that the leads will be a new generation of the family. I still have hopes for Finn though as a breath of fresh air to add some originality to the saga.

    • November 10, 2015 at 2:17 am
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      I like your explanations. Rey waits for her family, because as far as she remember she lives on Jakku. She is still a child who needs a family. Perhaps she convinced herself that she has to wayt until her family returns, perhaps somebody who help her rise told her an invented story that one day her family will come back for her….

  • November 10, 2015 at 12:53 am
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    I think Rey is related to Thane Kyrell and Ciena Rees from lost stars book, and she is force sensitive from early childhood like Anakin. I think this story can lead to other avenues far more interesting and unexpected. I think these family tie rumours are far to obvious coming from JJ Abrams, I’m sure he has a few surprises up his sleeve.

  • November 10, 2015 at 1:05 am
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    Sorry but I can’t see Kylo Ren being related to anyone named Skywalker, Solo or Organa based on looks. Driver has a distinctive face that bears no resemblance to any of the others.

    • November 10, 2015 at 8:46 pm
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      Yet he also knows Rey from their childhood, just really coincidental? “Is it true? You’re just a scavenger?” is a quote from Kylo Ren’s action figure. Unless there is something really outside the box on this one, Kylo Ren definitely knew Rey earlier on in life, making a family tie of some kind very likely. Rey of all characters is the most likely to be family of the Skywalker line. He really does have a bit of Anakin look even if just dark long hair, cover of GQ Adam Driver almost looks like Han with his chosen attire for the shoot may not just be coincidence either. If it is Han and Leia’s son in the movie will you just say, I don’t believe it and ignore the real plot?

      • November 10, 2015 at 11:41 pm
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        Ha ha, of course I wouldn’t ignore it, I’d still think it was a strange choice though. Hopefully he’s a good enough actor to convince.

  • November 10, 2015 at 1:19 am
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    It would fell much better if rey and kylo-ren were cousins

    • November 10, 2015 at 2:47 am
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      Why ? It would be far more dramatic if they were siblings

      • November 10, 2015 at 3:51 am
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        Even f it was dramatic it would be so much more satisfying for them continuing the sky walker story with an actual sky walker in the name. Even if it would be dramatic if they were siblings kylo-ren would hate rey for being the daughter of Luke whose father was Vader which ren idolizes so much.

      • November 10, 2015 at 11:23 am
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        It would be more dramatic on a one-on-one level if they were siblings, but it would be more dramatic for Luke-vs-Leia-and-Han if they were cousins.

  • November 10, 2015 at 1:34 am
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    What if Han and Leia gave Luke their son to train as a Jedi and he turned to the dark side thus creating a rift between the Han, Leia, and Luke… Luke exiles himself, and Han and Leia split over the painful event while sending their daughter off to safe hiding since Kylo Ren already knew she exists, they can’t have any contact with her as they fear he is watching them.

    • November 10, 2015 at 1:45 am
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      That’s what I think might happen – although it’s more likely that “Kylo Ren” is simply kidnapped by the KOR, considering that he’s not much older than Rey is. He would have to be at least a teenager in order for a turn to evil to actually matter in terms of story.

      – Pomojema

      • November 10, 2015 at 4:13 pm
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        Or Kylo exhibited strong dark side “tendencies” as he grew as a child, resulting in Han/Leia/Luke coming to the most difficult decision to hide Rey in fear for her safety… meanwhile Kylo becomes increasingly rebellious and obsessed with grandfather Vader that he defects to the First Order under tutelage of Snoke… Just because Kylo may be born a Skywalker in no way guarantees his “goodness”…

      • November 10, 2015 at 4:36 pm
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        I really believe this theory of Kylo being abducted by the dark side of the force, likely by our new pivotal character Snoke. They could still be twins, just because they would be the same age doesn’t mean their environments they grew up in were similar enough that they aging process affected them the same, space travel does effect aging. Some people just look younger or older than they really are. I don’t think the age difference will be as significant on screen. I know 30 year old people that look 40 and 40 year old people that look 30. My guess is after Kylo was abducted Rey was hidden like Luke to avoid detection. A hard fate that Han and Leia probably didn’t have much choice in. Rey was likely left with someone who they trusted very much. I really believe that in Episode IX it will be Rey and Kylo vs Snoke and the rest of the dark side of the force when Kylo learns the truth about his grandfather.

    • November 10, 2015 at 4:23 pm
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      Just seems too much of a backstory that doesn’t fit what JJ describes as already having a great backstory. This isn’t about Luke, it’s about Kylo, Rey, Finn, and Poe. As much as I love Luke’s character, this would create too many questions that distract from the new film. Han and Leia were in love, nothing needed to be changed for a backstory.

  • November 10, 2015 at 1:34 am
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    what if they are children of Luke and Leia abandoned by their parents because of the unholy union that was their origin? lololol

    • November 10, 2015 at 1:42 am
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      what the

    • November 10, 2015 at 4:23 am
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      Hahahaha. I thought that as well but was afraid to post it.

      • November 10, 2015 at 4:03 pm
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        Leia had triplets “born of the Force”, Han freaked out because one had dark skin and immediately thought Lando had “cut his grass”, Luke could sense the dark side in one and demanded they be separated at birth, abducted the “good” child and hid her on Jakku knowing people would recall how much he hated desert planets and would never think to look for a Skywalker child there…

  • November 10, 2015 at 1:44 am
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    In the new commercial, Rey’s comment about waiting for her family makes me believe that her family is real to her, not just imagined. If you assume she had been abandoned as an infant, why would an apparently-worldly young woman still be hanging on to the dream that her unknown parents would be returning? Maybe if she were 8… not if she’s 20-ish. At her age she has to have real memories of her family for her to still be holding out hope because the people she is waiting for are *real* to her, not just stories.

    The other question the commercial puts in my mind is, where does Rey get her accent? The one person she is rumored to be close to on Jakku is Max Von Sydow’s Vicar. Making an educated guess here (this is, after all, pure conjecture), but I cannot imagine MVS speaking in anything but his natural accent. This leads me to believe that Rey spent significant time in her formative years with someone who had a “posh” (Imperial?) accent–most likely a family member.

    Han and Leia do not have accents (other than the very beginning of ANH where Leia puts one on for Vader). Rey would not have learned from them.

    My guess is that Rey is going to turn out to be Luke’s daughter. Her mother is a former Imperial and was Rey’s primary (only?) caretaker in early childhood. This is where Rey gets the accent. (I’m not a big EU/Legends fan, but you might imagine this character as a tribute to Mara Jade, but it won’t be Mara Jade.)

    Rey may or may not know who her father is, but will recognize him (or he will recognize her) at their eventual meeting…

    • November 10, 2015 at 2:14 am
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      I like this idea of Rey having an Imperial mother (I don´t know the EU)…sounds like an interesting story – how Luke end up with someone like this – and a good base for a book…

    • November 10, 2015 at 2:39 am
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      It wouldn’t make sense for Rey to have a mother that is only mentioned or implied off screen and is not part of the new trilogy. JJ was very clear that the new trilogy should be self-contained and that any necessary backstory should be able to be easily understood by the audience. That is what makes me doubt that Rey is Luke’s daughter.

    • November 11, 2015 at 10:24 pm
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      She was a bit younger than I thought. From EW: “Rey was ditched on Jakku by her family when she was a child and has no idea why — or why they never returned. “She’s been alone for a long time,” Ridley says. “When something occurs when you’re 5, you know what went on but you don’t understand the reasoning.”

      I think the backstory of Rey’s mother could be incorporated into the story as a thread that would be resolved in future episodes. The Ep 7 story will be self-contained–the identity of Rey’s mother will not be essential to the plot–but obviously there will be story threads that will continue through the trilogy.

  • November 10, 2015 at 1:59 am
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    Yes I definitely think they are cousins. With regards to the Topps cards, the latest in that particular set has been Rey on her speeder and Luke on a speeder! Also, as I said in a previous post, I didn’t get the impression Han was talking to a daughter in the trailer.

    • November 10, 2015 at 2:16 am
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      You probably didn’t get that impression between Indy and Mutt either 😉

      • November 10, 2015 at 2:21 am
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        Neither Indy or Mutt knew they were related. If Han and Rey are father and daughter I think one of them knows it.

  • November 10, 2015 at 2:10 am
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    😉

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      basically

  • November 10, 2015 at 2:11 am
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    I´ve been convinced since more than a year that Rey is a Skywalker while Kylo is Solo/Organa. Back then and most of the time the mayority was against this theory argumenting that Luke wouldn´t have a child and that Rey must be Han´s and Leia´s kid….to me it always made perfect sense. I was saying that being Rey Leia´s daughter she would never let her on her own on some dangerous planet, she would keep her safe at home, not mention Han Solo, he would remove the Galaxy to find his daughter. Not Luke. He was not high rank Rebel/Resistance/Republic, he was the last Jedi in hiding, he doesn´t have the resources to rise and protect his daughter, and I was seeing some tragic accident with the mother with Luke not knowing the daughter survived. We still don´t know but I really hope it will turn this way…..

  • November 10, 2015 at 2:54 am
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    Don’t forget Kanan Jarrus, to me the first “jedi-profile” of the new canon.

  • November 10, 2015 at 3:31 am
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    The biggest giveaway for me that Rey is the daughter of Luke is the fact that she receives Luke/Anakin’s lightsaber at the beginning of the Force Awakens in a mirror of Luke in A New Hope. I just thought of that today, not sure why I didn’t sooner, but to me it definitely proves she’s Lukes daughter aswell as the fact he’s in hiding which gives him a reason to be missing from her life. If she was Han’s daughter it wouldn’t be dramatic at all considering they apparently meet before the second act of the movie.

    • November 10, 2015 at 5:33 am
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      Also Han can be seen in the trailer addressing Rey and Finn like strangers he just met.. I think if Rey was his daughter he’d be a tad bit warmer

      • November 10, 2015 at 4:15 pm
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        He just may not know. Rey can be a name she was likely given on Jakku, not her birth name. We know her name is a cover up of sorts, whether it is just a first name or just a name given to her we will have to wait to find out.

        • November 10, 2015 at 7:44 pm
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          Best bet of this page! She may be Kira yet…

  • November 10, 2015 at 3:59 am
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    if you’re gonna speculate… I will go back to my original idea!

    • November 10, 2015 at 5:43 am
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      My favorite picture of Jaina, I always pictured that’s what she most looks like. The Japanese cover art was always better than the US cover art.

  • November 10, 2015 at 4:12 am
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    If Kylo, Luke and Leia are family they should stirilize all of them, this people are producing a tyrant 50% of the births!
    I can imagine Luke telling Kylo,
    “Hey Kylo take it easy,
    I AM YOUR FATHER,
    (UNCLE)
    stop trying to rule the galaxy,
    lets chill together…
    I know some ewoks…
    great parties!”

  • November 10, 2015 at 4:27 am
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    I have hopes that they are related and that Luke’s mission is to turn Kylo Ren from the dark side. Kind of a reversal of his role with his own father. I hope he succeeds and we get to see Adam Driver as a Jedi in VIII and IX. I really appreciate the work of Hard Case. It’s kind of striking and really got my imagination running wild.

  • November 10, 2015 at 4:44 am
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    I’m going with the theory that Kylo Leia and Hans son. He’s older than Rey. Rey is Luke’s daughter. Kylo wanted to be Luke’s protege and carry the family legacy but Luke favored his daughter. This made him jealous. When he was kidnapped by the Knights of Ren, it only cemented his grudge against ole uncle Luke for allowing him to be taken and he was then brainwashed to the Dark Side, swearing revenge and seeking to kill the last Jedi. I think the twist will be the rumor that floated about Luke only being in the last minute of the movie. (Great way to bait your for next movie). The context of that rumor however is that Rey played dumb the whole movie but she actually knew what she was doing. It was all part of the plan, to lure out Kylo and reunite with her dad and continue her training. I suspect that’s the movie. Kylo is one pissed off abandoned kid who wants revenge. Rey is the the the only one who can stop him. My prediction ….Kylo is turned to the light before the end of the trilogy and finishes what Anakim started.

  • November 10, 2015 at 4:46 am
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    One thing that has gone unmentioned is that very early on, there was a leaked photo of Adam Driver dressed as a Xwing Pilot. Maybe he “pretends” to be part of the resistance, while secretly a member of the Knights of Ren or possibly he fakes his death at some point. If he is Leia and Han’s son, then maybe their separation is caused by his “death”, only for Han to discover later his turn to the Darkside.

    • November 10, 2015 at 4:48 am
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      That picture was too far and too fuzzy to identify Driver. It may have even been a deliberate attempt to confuse the drone flying spies. Adam Driver is Kylo Ren..

      • November 10, 2015 at 8:43 am
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        Or people just assumed it was Driver and it never was, they were mistaken.

    • November 10, 2015 at 6:04 am
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      The guy in the picture I have found had beard, and all we know about Adam Driver in the Star Wars movie is that he has not beard. Do you think we can be sure he was him?
      Just wondering.
      But your theory is interesting. Although it is a long story only for one movie… Xwing-pilot that becomes a Sith, and then all we already know.

      • November 10, 2015 at 10:12 am
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        I heard JJ saw the drones and had Driver wear that and walk across the set.

        • November 10, 2015 at 10:29 am
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          That would be funny.
          Even they could leak the picture themselves.

          • November 10, 2015 at 12:06 pm
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            Yes at Wizard World/Comicon Chicago a once sanctioned Lucasfilm artist before the Disney sale. Now working for Disney said he heard that Lucasfilm had six people hired that all there job was… To plant fake information.

          • November 10, 2015 at 12:44 pm
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            Counter information!

  • November 10, 2015 at 5:19 am
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    OK, I have been a bit of a silent observer of this for a while, but something with this particular topic has been bothering me. Granted, we are all going to know this in a very short period so I don’t know if there really is a point to speculating. HOWEVER…

    I hear a lot about Kylo being a Solo/Organa and Rey Being a Skywalker. Yes, Kathleen Kennedy said that this films focus on the Skywalker family. But, One thing that I am missing is that I have yet to see anyone acknowledge the fact that a Solo/Organa child IS A SKYWALKER!. Leia is Padme and Anakin’s daughter, no different than Luke.

    I sincerely doubt that the screen writers would have Luke following in the footsteps of Anakin by falling in love and having offspring.

    My guess. Kylo and Rey are indeed siblings and offspring of Leia and Han. Not necessarily twins. That would be a little redundant in the writing department for me. But maybe separated by several years. Kylo was lost or taken and turned into a maniacal baddie. Upon this discovery at a later time a young Rey was exiled (similar to luke) to protect her from Kylo. Her older and somewhat mentally unstable brother.

    Kylo discovers this (his sister) and the connection to his grandfather, and is on the search for this sibling perceiving her as the only one who could challenge his efforts to complete the plan set forth by the Palpatine and unsucessfully executed by Vader.

    • November 10, 2015 at 10:11 am
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      I hear Kylo has a sister but its not Rey. She has a bigger role in the next film. Top photo is supposedly Rey’s mother.

    • November 11, 2015 at 5:32 pm
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      This makes sense to me. If Kylo is Darth Vader’s grandson that is a reason for the the knights of Ren to kidnap him as they are reported to be obsessed with Vader. It would explain why Han and Leia are not together, incidents like that can break relationships. Or maybe Han went off for years searching for Kylo and they just became estranged. If Rey is also a grandchild of Vader, and was probably just a baby when Kylo was abducted, for her protection she would be hidden. She might even know Han but not know who he really is (like growing up Luke knew Ben Kenobi as an eccentric hermit, not as the Jedi Master Obi Wan, former master and close friend of his father).

  • November 10, 2015 at 5:19 am
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    I voted not related.

    The eyes comment sounds to me like a reference to having a certain look rather than someone having her father’s, mother’s, grandpa’s or grandma’s eyes.

    Besides, this would be too easy, too predictable and not much of a shocker, especially since a big majority of people seem to be convinced that Rey and Kylo will be related in some way.

    I prefer to think of this as a huge red herring and that the heir(s) to the Skywalker lineage will be revealed to be someone else in Ep. VIII.

  • November 10, 2015 at 5:23 am
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    So if Rey is Luke’s daughter, do we ever see her mom? We could get more of that in future episodes, but I just don’t see them trying to explain her. JJ said in his interview the beauty of a sequel is the backstory is already there. Luke having children really stretches things. Maybe Luke has sex with Maz Kanata and their child/ren is the new hope in episode 10.

    • November 10, 2015 at 10:07 am
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      I saw it mentioned and a photo somewhere. In a flashback that May saw… Rey’s mother. The actress’s last name is Fleetwood. But she has since passed in the story. She was with Luke.

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        Well what we get from Maz Kanata so far is Rey is someone who thinks she is no-one. She needs to accept her fate and let the force in. She bares either a resemblance of someone Maz once knew or perhaps sees a character trait not necessarily her eyes that reminds her of someone. She’s in some form the new hope for the Jedi. And from her conversation with BB-8 is waiting for her family to return in some form, but it does sound like she has been waiting a long time, I don’t think someone went to get groceries and didn’t return. They are doing a great job keeping the plot under wraps, certain key things we will see in the movie will clear all this up I’m sure.

    • November 10, 2015 at 3:43 pm
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      That was exactly my previous argument. If Rey was Luke’s daughter, they would have to come up with an explanation about what happened to her mother and who her mother is/was.. That would contradict JJ’s statement that the “backstory is already there” and that the new movies are self-contained. Luke having a wife (or someone having Luke’s daughter) would be too big to be simply mentioned as an off-screen event.

      I’d be willing to drop my skepticism if there was any indication that Rey’s mother would actually show up in either Episode VIII or Episode IX, but there has been no such indication so far.

  • November 10, 2015 at 6:13 am
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    I believe all this family thing, sister, brother father, boyfriend started in The Empire Strikes Back, the first movie (A New Hope) was not clear at all about it.
    Obi Wan hid Luke, hid the information to Luke, and hid the information also to us. We discover Star Wars as Luke discover it.
    As it worked really well, I am not sure they are going to tell us all that whole family plot in this movie if it exists.
    They could show us all relationships, but also they could hide some cards for the 2 next movies coming.

  • November 10, 2015 at 6:40 am
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    Awesome article! Defiently a lot of evidence to suggest Kylo and Rey could be related!! Also, another thought that occurred to me the other day…and bear with me here cos I could be way off:
    Supreme Leader Snoke is actually Darth Plageius but is too weak at this stage to regain his former power…maybe he needs his staff which has been lost throughout the years (and now belongs to Rey). He manipulates the force to create life, someone to serve him. Snoke/Plageius created Kylo Ren to do his bidding, however the force balanced itself by creating Rey! Could it be possible Rey and Kylo have no biological parents as they are children of the Force? The only other person to be created this way was Anakin, so if I am right Kylo & Rey could still be “skywalkers”….from a certain point of view 😉

    • November 10, 2015 at 12:58 pm
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      What we were never told was that

      • November 10, 2015 at 2:58 pm
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        I don’t want to like this theory. But I, in fact, LOVE it. I’m sure you said it in jest but man it works. (maybe I like the idea that clan mother A’Yark may have been like a mother to “Kylo” early in his life on in the Pillars and the Jundland Wastes)

        • November 10, 2015 at 3:45 pm
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          A young Rey was found abandoned in a Tusken village on Tatooine when the local Union of Galactic Moisture Farmers called in the calvary to rid the Jundland Wastes of Sandpeople once and for all… Rey is adopted by an UGMF member who returns to his home on Jakku and Rey lives the scavengers life she had learnt from playing with Jawas when she was young…

      • November 10, 2015 at 10:10 pm
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        Hahahahah this is amazing!! It could happen! Lol

  • November 10, 2015 at 7:04 am
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    Why do so many fans have such a strong need to make the new characters related? Isn’t this one of the most obvious twists of all time now, given the revelation about Vader being Luke’s father in Ep. V?

    I see people complaining already that they think JJ is just going to rehash old SW moments somehow… yet it seems a lot of those same people also think Rey is Leia’s daughter, Luke’s daughter, etc… this is faulty thinking in my mind: it’s cherry-picking certain facts to suit your preconception of what the new movies will be like. Which is rather pointless considering we’ll all know soon enough (maybe).

    • November 10, 2015 at 7:15 am
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      In some ways I am agree with you.
      I believe if they do it again, they could do it in the same way they did before.
      They cannot show us all the family plot in the minute 10 of this movie.
      They should wait to the second and third movies to solve the puzzle of relationships, whatever they are.

    • November 10, 2015 at 1:45 pm
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      I think JJ will rehash old SW moments, because, putting it simply, it works and it is what the audience expects. As I said,personally I would prefer an original story with characters that are unrelated to the Solo/Skywalker family, but it is pretty clear by now that is not gonna happen.

    • November 10, 2015 at 4:42 pm
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      I think some things we see will be up front in our face. I’m willing to bet by episode VIII and IX that we find more links between characters in this story arc. Kathleen Kennedy made a comment about twins. The posters have the two aligned in parallel with each other. In the end we will either accept the new story and whatever cliche things come with it or not. We already know there is a theme of everything that was old is new again. We see the throwback scenes paying homage to the previous films. I actually argue the opposite. It’s like people want Episode VII to be more like Star Trek but with lightsabers. Just let it be Star Wars…

  • November 10, 2015 at 8:24 am
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    Could Maz possibly be a Ben Kenobi figure to Rey?

  • November 10, 2015 at 8:25 am
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    This is the same exact theory I have had for a year now. It makes the most sense and the expanded universe kinda set up a backbone plot to follow upon. Rey is the lead and good skywalksr Kylo must be Han and leias son the evil twisted cousin and both are vaders grandchildren with a dual morality. I also read that Finns last name is calrissian. It just makes sense to do it this way. A new generation with the old. Maybe even chewie will show up with his kid lol

    • November 10, 2015 at 8:40 am
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      You read false rumor about Finn.

  • November 10, 2015 at 9:15 am
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    FINALLY!!! SOMEONE GETS IT!!!

  • November 10, 2015 at 9:19 am
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    I really liked how you said that the admiration for Anakin Skywalker can cause conflict for the new generation of Skwalkers. It would be cool to see if Rey heard stories about her grandfather the great Jedi knight..while Kylo heard stories of his grandfather the powerful Sith Lord (through Snoke or the KOR I guess) and have them both aspire to be as good of a Jedi or Sith that Anakin was.

  • November 10, 2015 at 12:07 pm
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    She has seen their eyes. She knows their Eyes.

  • November 10, 2015 at 12:34 pm
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    I’ve been reading (with Audible) the book; How Star Wars Conquered the Universe:The Past, Present, and Future by Chris Taylor – and one potential plot point Lucas was thinking of while making ROTJ was to have Luke’s twin sister hidden somewhere in the Galaxy trained as a Jedi. That thread sounds similar to Rey’s situation in this movie. It is likely that many of these old ideas will resurface in the new trilogy, as they did in the previous movies.

  • November 10, 2015 at 1:47 pm
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    I’ve written this extensively before about my theory, but to keep things short:

    Kylo and Rey are siblings, but not twins. Their mother is Leia, but they have different fathers.

    Kylo is Han’s son. Things just didn’t work out between Han and Leia. That happens in real life. No happily ever after. Sorry, folks.

    (We know that Kylo Ren is not his real name. He picked “Kylo” for himself. The ongoing theory is that KYLO = S/KY/walker + So/LO.)

    Leia married another man, who is Rey’s father.

    Rey didn’t want to deal with her mother’s space politics and royal obligation to the people of Naboo. She has been hiding out on Jaaku, trying to find her own way in life. Rey may not even be her birth name.

    “I know what it’s like. Waiting for my family.” This could be interpreted to mean Leia and Rey’s father have been trying to find her.

    Rey doesn’t know that the man who goes by “Kylo Ren” is her brother (whose real name we the audience don’t know yet). But Rey does know she has a half-brother, and probably knew him personally when she was a child.

    • November 10, 2015 at 1:59 pm
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      The ongoing theories that many hold onto boil down to these:

      1. We’d like the idea of Han and Leia still being together.

      This is looking like sadly no.

      2. We still hold onto the idea of the Solo twins from the EU media.

      This is not looking likely due to the ages of the two actors in question. But there are likely children of Han and Leia who are in this movie.

      3. We’d like to think Luke had a kid or two.

      This is looking like no.

      4. We’d like to think Rey, like Luke, was abandoned.

      This would be too much of a retread of ANH. Rey willingly abandoning her life as an adult and hiding out on Jaaku is different, plays on the royalty-hiding-as-a-pauper archetype, and gives this character more agency over herself.

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        Rey doesn’t look very happy and self-fulfilled on Jakku. On the contrary, based on the trailers, she looks like she’s eager to get out of there, just like Luke and Anakin on Tatooine BTW. It simply doesn’t make sense that she would be voluntarily on Jakku living as a scavenger.

  • November 10, 2015 at 1:48 pm
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    Just imagining here but no-one has mentioned the possibility of Rey and Ren being half-sister/brother… Imagine both as children of Leia but Kylo is conceived because Leia was seduced and impregnated by an evil force user (a Sith) to take advantage of her skywalker blood to create the most powerful darksider ever. Han doesn’t realize that Kylo isn’t really his son and raises him as his own, but eventually finds out and that causes his split with Leia… Rey on the other hand, would be the true daughter of Han, left on Jakku by Leia because??? (I’ve run out of ideas here…)

  • November 10, 2015 at 2:06 pm
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    Good article makes sense to me. Adam Driver actually bears a passing resemblence to Harrison Ford so I agree, he’s probably his son in the film.

    As for Rey, Luke probably has a crisis of faith(being a Jedi) after the padawans at his new Jedi Academy are killed.

    Soon after he takes solace in a relationship from which Rey is born. The killers of his padawans eventually catch up with them though and kill Rey’s mother.

    Luke escapes with his daughter but realises that to protect her and become all he can be as a Jedi, he must give her up and go into exile himself.

    He spends long years studying in isolation with only force ghosts for company, eventually becoming an extremely powerful Jedi Master.

    Taking his already powerful daughter and her promising new friend Finn as apprentices at the end of the film – just in time to counter Snoke and his dark side minions – it seems at long last the Jedi are back in business.

    The force – the dark side and the light – has truely awoken.

    • November 10, 2015 at 2:35 pm
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      Finn’s badly injured towards the end of the movie. He’s not making it out of the medical bay. In the trailer, Rey’s crying over Finn, just before Chewie swoops down in the Falcon to rescue them.

      • November 10, 2015 at 3:01 pm
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        So. He gets fixed up, ala Luke at the end of Empire, no big deal.

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          Of course he’ll get fixed up, but he won’t be in action again until the next episode. Pretty sure he’s not destined to become Luke’s apprentice. Get the feeling he’ll partner up with Chewie in the Falcon. Wouldn’t be surprised if he inherits Han’s blaster after his death, especially if Rey turns out not to be Han’s daughter.

          • November 10, 2015 at 5:13 pm
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            I think Han will take a backseat role in VIII and IX, I’d lean more towards Poe and Finn. I like the idea someone posted before that Leia took care of Poe like her own son. Poe is the character nobody is talking about and will have a huge role in the upcoming films. I agree with Finn being badly injured in this film, it looks like his jacket when Rey is crying. Rey seems to find a way to be spared by Kylo. I picture Kylo making a plea with Rey to join him or stay and die. Rey, Han, Chewie make it out in the nick of time when Rey makes the emergency escape. Right before the new super weapon is tested on the forest planet. Han and Chewie’s absence from the cockpit on the MF could be because they are tending to Finn. We know Finn makes it to future episodes so he doesn’t get left behind. I think this opens up the last part of the movie that we have seen absolutely nothing yet. Other than some scenes with the Resistance attacking the new super weapon. Poe saves the day in the final battle. Rey accepts her fate and looks for Luke for training. Finn goes to rehab for his injuries, I’m picturing a part cyborg Finn in VIII which would be pretty freaking cool.

          • November 10, 2015 at 6:01 pm
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            Han dies in TFA (99.99% sure of it). Agree with yourself, would like to see more of Poe in episode VIII and IX, I think we will. The scene with Kylo Ren behind Rey, with his lightsaber to her neck, I believe is just before she is taken prisoner and transported to Starkiller base, shortly after the scenes of her looking up in the sky with all the First Order ships above. Believe the last part of the movie is the Resistance assault on Starkiller base, the aftermath (Han’s death/Finn getting hurt bad), ending with Rey, Chewie, and BB-8 flying to Luke’s location where Rey embraces her destiny.

          • November 10, 2015 at 6:19 pm
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            I’m not buying the Han has to die in VII theory. He’s not a force user and likely will give the Obi Wan excuse of I’m too old for these types of adventures and finds and ultimately spends his later days with Leia, I get the feeling they have been apart for a while since his story starts in Jakku. We also see Han with Leia in the trailer embracing each other, likely just meeting up for the first time since they got separated 20+ years ago. It makes more sense to kinda let Han and Leia live out their lives together making up missed time. This is now Rey Finn and Poe’s adventure. You don’t have to kill people off for others to move on. Then again Luke did what he had to because he had no family left. This could be the same for Han, but if Han goes I think Leia is gone to.

          • November 10, 2015 at 6:33 pm
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            On Han, that’s where we’ll have to agree to disagree. I agree with you regarding Han and Leia being estranged. Estrangement seems to be a common theme – Han and Leia, Han and the Falcon, Kylo Ren and his parents, Rey and hers, Luke and his family/friends.

          • November 12, 2015 at 1:21 pm
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            The scene of her looking up, isn’t that on Jakku? The one pictured above with Kylo Ren’s saber at her kneck has a forest in the background. Definitely not Jakku.

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            There are two scenes of her looking up:
            1. Jakku – that you have rightly stated.
            2. The green planet were Maz Katana’s castle is located. This was the scene I was referring to, she looks up with all the First Order spaceships flying above her. She will shortly be confronted by Kylo Ren, we see scenes of her firing a blaster at him, and then having his lightsaber held near her neck. She is captured here and transported to Starkiller base (frozen planet) to be interrogated. That is why she is still wearing the same clothes unsuitable for a colder climate (see EW photo released yesterday of Rey and Finn in the snowy forest about to face-off against Kylo Ren). That snowy forest scenes is just after Han has been killed by Kylo Ren, Rey and Finn pursuit Kylo Ren into the forest for a final showdown.

          • November 10, 2015 at 5:59 pm
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            We’re all speculating here Kenny baby, methinks you’re being a pedantic poodoo. The fact of the matter is, you don’t have the first clue whether Finn’s making it out of the medical bay by the end of the movie or not. You don’t think Finn will be a Jedi – fair enough.

          • November 10, 2015 at 6:22 pm
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            It was actually a figure of speech. So, eh, yeah, right back at you. Anyhoo, don’t take the comments so personally. If I’m wrong, I’m easy about it.

          • November 10, 2015 at 7:41 pm
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            A figure of speech, riiight – whatever you say Kenny baby.

  • November 10, 2015 at 2:41 pm
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    For me, Rey being Luke’s daughter has always been the most obvious and least interesting story development. We’ve had this story told before, not once, but twice (in Anakin, then Luke). Always believed Rey was Han/Leia’s daughter, maybe a little less confident now. From a creative perspective though, would prefer Rey was not related at all. Inject some originality into the storyline. Whoever daughter she turns out to be, I’m sure I’ll really enjoy the outcome.

  • November 10, 2015 at 2:51 pm
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    I think Rey looks like Shmi Skywalker! Haven´t you noticed that?

  • November 10, 2015 at 3:12 pm
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    I thought Lucas’s question about Vader’s grandchildren was just him teasing the Save Legends folks.

  • November 10, 2015 at 3:37 pm
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    It’s possible many of these questions aren’t answered until VIII. Also, are there other Skywalkers out there that will be introduced in later movies?

    • November 10, 2015 at 4:53 pm
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      We didn’t know Leia was Luke’s brother until Return of the Jedi. Anything is possible.

  • November 10, 2015 at 5:42 pm
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    Initially, I thought that Kylo was the product of Han/Leia and that he was Luke’s padawan before breaking bad. After the last TV spot, I am more inclined to think he is Ezra Bridger (STAR WARS REBELS), and the at some point Ezra became Darth Vader’s secret apprentice. The age is not right, but there are any number of ways to explain that away. For example, Vader may have put him on ice (carbon freeze) upon learning he had a son. This occurred to me after someone pointed out the rumor than Von Sydow’s character was Kanan from REBELS. Kind of makes sense when you think about Kylo’s line in the TV spot, “I will fulfill OUR destiny (bring order to the Galaxy?); I will finish what YOU started. (Ezra’s Sith training)” It would explain a lot – why Disney created REBELS, why Kylo is a Darth Vader groupie, why his light saber is kind of jacked up, what Vader started that Kylo needs to finish. I think Abrams mentioned that he saw Kylo as sort of a dark side parallel to Luke Skywalker and Ezra Bridger joins the timeline at the same time as Luke. Anyway, I’m going with that until the next TV commercial. I’m pretty sure that Rey is Luke’s kid, put in the care of some guardian and kept in ignorance to protect her from the dark side.

    • November 10, 2015 at 6:30 pm
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      He is too young to be Ezra Bridger. Ezra is older than Luke.

      • November 10, 2015 at 7:31 pm
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        I’m pretty sure Ezra is the same age as Luke. Here’s the scenario. Luke blows up the Death Star in ANH. Vader, who’s been training Ezra, decides he’d rather have his son as his apprentice, so he puts Ezra into carbon freeze as his back-up plan. Vader dies in ROTJ. After some number of years, Ezra is released from carbone freeze and much to his surprise Vader is dead, the Empire is in tatters, and he must continue his training on his own. Hence his interest in all things Vader. It parallels Luke in that he has to complete his training on his own (I guess – the movies aren’t clear on that). He wouldn’t have aged while in carbon freeze, hence the age difference. Plus, he’d have a score to score with Luke Skywalker. It actually makes a lot of sense given the available facts – all you need is a convenient plot device to account for the age difference, and what is Star Wars if not a collection of convenient plot devices? And it explains why Disney invested so much in STAR WARS REBELS. I mean, I like the show and all, but was anyone really clamoring to know how the Rebellion started? Did we really need all these new characters on top of what we already had? Why introduce all these neo-Jedi characters into the cannon when you have to account for their destinies as of the start of ANH. UNLESS, the long game with REBELS is all about creating back story for Kylo Ren and Kanan Jarrus in SW:TFA.

        • November 10, 2015 at 7:43 pm
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          Oh, and we know that revealing any of Max Von Sydow’s character’s name must evidently be a huge spoiler since he’s the only unnamed character. So, he must be someone that is immediately recognizable. If he just had a famous last name like Solo or Skywalker, they would release his first name. But if he’s Kanan Jarrus, then either the first or last name is a give-away. I can’t think of any other character that Max Von Sydow could be playing that they would need to conceal the name for.

    • November 10, 2015 at 11:43 pm
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      I seriously hope this is the case. Kudos if they kept such a thing under wraps. Also, don’t forget about Zare Leonis & Finn!

  • November 10, 2015 at 5:58 pm
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    Well this is a small galaxy, indeed.

  • November 11, 2015 at 10:02 am
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    Personally I think that Kylo Ren is definitely Luke’s son. There’s been a lot of talk of Luke turning to the Dark side in this new material. Since Luke’s past is heavily involved with Yoda, Obi-Wan, Darth Vader and Palpatine, I sincerely highly doubt he would turn to the Dark side…but what about his son? Rey is most certainly Han and Leia’s daughter.

  • November 13, 2015 at 9:42 pm
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    Jacen and Jaina are not “Cutesy” names. they’re awful.

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