Speculation: The Jedi in the Sequel Trilogy (Part I)

Luke as an elder Jedi Master

With all of the discussions and speculation about which new and classic characters and worlds we may see in the Sequel Trilogy and what the overall storyline may look like, one of the big questions in my mind has been what the nature of the Jedi and their relationship to the Force might be.

Now, obviously the tone of this was very different between the Original Trilogy and the Prequel Trilogy, since the latter showed the Jedi at their height, while the former revolved around a last-ditch attempt to bring the Jedi back from the brink of extinction. But in the upcoming sequels, we will undoubtedly see the Jedi on the rise once more. What form will that rebirth take? Will we see the Jedi returned to the formalized hierarchy that they once had, based in the galactic capitol and led by a Jedi Council? Or will the Jedi have re-established themselves in a different and possibly unexpected way? The prospects are wide open as to how the sequels will handle this.


Jedi Council - Star Wars


While it is possible that we could simply see a return to something like the organized Jedi structure from the Old Republic, with a central Jedi Council assigning missions in coordination with requests from the Chancellor and the Senate, there are two reasons why I don’t feel that this is particularly likely.


First of all, early Episode VII rumors suggest that there is not a “New Republic” in place in this film, which would also indicate that there may also not be a formalized Jedi Council. Now, granted, we all know a lot better than to go betting the kids’ college fund on the rumors surrounding the production of this or any other Star Wars movie. But this one does make a reasonable amount of sense. After all, a prime reason behind the downfall of the Old Republic was the institutionalized corruption that had set in long before Palpatine made his move against Chancellor Valorum, and I can see where much of the galaxy might be reluctant to recreate a political system that was so easily turned upon itself.


And this leads us to the second and perhaps more important point to consider. Would Luke Skywalker actually attempt to recreate the Jedi Order as a bureaucratic organization in the first place? I tend to think that he wouldn’t want to go that route because, as with the Republic itself, it can be argued that the Jedi Order contained within itself the seeds of its own undoing.



Darth Sidious - Star Wars


During the initial face-off between Yoda and Emperor Palpatine below the Senate chambers in Revenge of the Sith, Palpatine – for once – actually says something that holds a great deal of truth: “Your arrogance blinds you, Master Yoda.” Whether or not Lucas actually intended it to do so, I think that this single statement cuts to the heart of the matter as far as why Palpatine was able to orchestrate the overthrow of the Republic and the destruction of the Jedi right under the very noses of the Jedi Council.


As dedicated to life and justice as the Jedi were, they did tend to isolate themselves from the common folk to a great extent, both ideologically and physically. Hell, the Jedi Council met atop what was almost literally an ivory tower! And out of what they undoubtedly considered to be respect for the ways of the Force, the Jedi held themselves to a higher standard that denied some very basic aspects of what it was to be a sentient being.


It was, after all, the fact that the Jedi Code forbade emotional, and particularly romantic attachments that created the conflict within Anakin Skywalker that Palpatine was ultimately able to use as the fulcrum point with which he toppled the Jedi Order. And it was the arrogance of the Jedi that allowed them to believe that such an essential part of life could be controlled and that love was anything less than a fundamental part of the Force itself.


Luke and Vader - Star Wars


Luke Skywalker, more than perhaps any Jedi in recent galactic history, understood this in the most direct way imaginable. It was the power of a father’s love for his own son that had saved his life, destroyed the Emperor, and allowed his father to return from almost a quarter of a century in the grip of the dark side. With that in mind, it is very difficult to imagine that Luke could then turn around and rebuild the Jedi Order just as it had been before, with its arrogant insistence upon denying its members their own ability to love and to form emotional bonds with others.


Of course, it would be a challenge for Luke to find new ways to balance a Jedi’s emotional life with the age-old pitfalls of jealousy, objectification and unhealthy attachment that the Old Jedi Order rightly believed had the potential to lead to the dark side. I suspect that whatever obstacles Luke has faced in helping his apprentices to achieve this balance may very well factor into the overall conflict of the Sequel Trilogy.


In Part II, I’ll take a closer look at one possible way that all of this might be incorporated as the basis for Luke’s new generation of Jedi.



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70 thoughts on “Speculation: The Jedi in the Sequel Trilogy (Part I)

  • July 2, 2014 at 1:51 am

    I personally am rather interested in how this issue gets approached. Also think it could one of the parts that causes a lot of disagreement among the fan base no matter what they do.

    • July 2, 2014 at 3:10 am

      Silver, I agree completely. This is one of those things that is likely to get strong reactions either way, no matter how the new films handle it.

      And of course, they may not even address it much at all other than to show a bunch of new Jedi out there saving the galaxy. But I hope they focus at least a little attention on the new Jedi versus the old Jedi and how Luke’s experiences color the way he trains his apprentices.

      • July 2, 2014 at 8:59 pm

        I think it will be the central theme of the ST based on the tidbits that Lucas provided over the years…

  • July 2, 2014 at 1:52 am

    Nice article DEKKA 🙂 i hope that Luke rebuilds the jedi order in a new fashion, for example: it would take very long to rebuild the jediorder if he follows the code of only having one padawan at a time.

    And if he have a love interest it would be strange to follow that rule to & when he says to Leia: “in time you will learn to use it to” , Han & Leia is more or less already a couple.

    It would also feel more correct to have the training in a more natural invoronmet, than the industrial city or Coruscant, the rumoured old temple on Yavin 4 feels more suitable

    I can even imagine Yoda appearing as a forceghost (hopefully as a puppet) telling Luke not to repeat the mistakes of the old Jediorder. Hmmmm: I have long wondered if Yoda, Kenobi, Anakin & Qui Gon will be able to tudor new jedi, since they learned to take forceghost form.

    What about that?? Luke not training all new Jedi by himself But a new school were most of the teachers are in fact forceghosts, -is that something you guys would like to see on the big screen?
    Yoda & co. as focreghost teachers 😀

    The newly rumoured title “the shadow heir” opens up for a lot of interesting speculations also. An heir to whom? (if true)

    • July 2, 2014 at 3:21 am

      Skywater, those are some cool thoughts there too. You’re right, a more natural environment for training would be very much in line with Luke’s experiences learning under Yoda on Dagobah. Whether it’s on Yavin 4 like in the EU stories or someplace else, this does seem pretty logical.

      I don’t know whether there would be actual Force ghosts training Jedi, but anything is possible. To my knowledge, there would be only four at most, as retention of one’s self in spirit form after death was something that it seems that even Yoda hadn’t known about before Qui Gon returned and showed him how to do it.

      Regardless, I think that Luke will have communed with Yoda and Obi Wan and his father in the years since ROTJ. For one thing, I think that they would have an interest in helping Luke to figure out the best way to approach rebuilding the Jedi. And of course, though it may have just been a throwaway line, Obi Wan did say “Yoda will always be with you,” in ROTJ after the little green fella passed away. That could be used to help justify their ghosts sticking around for awhile to advise Luke.

  • July 2, 2014 at 1:58 am

    I know what you mean, but this is a great example of why i am excited that disney is doing it. Lucas had the tendancy to be far to predictable. Disney has really shown, imo, that they can make a story compelling and followable, but also make it have twists that you don’t see coming. Kind of having to do with this is another thought i’ve had, it will be interesting because it looks like han solo is going to be a major player in whatever military is going to be set up, and luke is very close to him. How much will the jedi be involved with the military?

    • July 2, 2014 at 2:10 am

      interesting question, there could be many jedi or only Luke (& possibly Leia) Maybe they had to set up a large military machine instead of a new republic (wich Han has a major part in) then Luke may not have had any time to train new Jedi (than at least they will probably fight side by side as they used to) That could be the reason for the rumoured lack of a new republic: they had to keep on fighting… -Who knows? Maybe the empire had a lot of hidden resources the rebels did not know about (Palpatine being the master of schemes) some kind of “insurance” set in motion when he died…

      • July 2, 2014 at 9:54 am

        Nice article DEKKA129. I like this idea of “insurance” and in my mind insurance (for when the emperor dies) = Inquisitors 🙂

    • July 2, 2014 at 3:28 am

      Good question, AJ! I will actually briefly touch on this in Part II of my article, but it’s possible that Luke would want to deliberately avoid aligning the Jedi with any military force. Not that they’d shy away from battle or refuse to lend assistance when needed, but we saw in the PT what happened when the Jedi dedicated themselves too much to waging war.

  • July 2, 2014 at 2:07 am

    I have a hunch they will go for a comfortable medium, something between a Jedi order and just Luke with an apprentice. Maybe a handful of folks that Luke and Leia took upon themselves to train just in case.

    Or maybe there will be a lot of Jedi but no order… just sort of like the wandering Samurai l in “the 7 Samurai”… it all depends on whatever Lucas originally envisioned. Given that he was a big Kurosawa fan I would tend to think we haven’t seen the last of those other film’s imprints on the ST.

    • July 2, 2014 at 3:29 am

      I agree with this quite a bit, actually. ;^)

  • July 2, 2014 at 2:08 am

    Nice article. Exactly as I think. Luke Skywalker saw the power that the love possess when Darth Vader came back to the light to save him. Also the love he had with his friends and sister, that lead him to anger in the battle against his father, but he stopped when he saw the path he was taking, and decided that he wouldn´t kill his own father, only for power to transform him into a slave, then staying in the light. Doing so, he showed to his father that the power of the Emperor wasn´t invincible, and that the power of love to all living beings, even the worst, was stronger. So what was wrong in get in love with someone? How this can lead to the dark side, if you care so much with that person to help in her behalf, not in oneself. I think the sequel Jedi Order will be more centred on that, and in humilty as well. And certainly it will influeciate in all aspects of the Jedi way, as a big change from the Old Republic Jedi Order. The rumors of Luke Skywalker to be an exiled Jedi master like Ben Kenobi makes it to have even more sense.

    • July 2, 2014 at 2:18 am

      as Lucas has said himself: “the sequels will deal with moral and philosofical question, to learn how to distinguish right from wrong”

      The new jedi order maybe focuses a lot on this, instead of just keeping away from anything that can cause confusion & conflict in the students that the old jedi order did.

      Luke having learned very valuable lessons about love & how to use them (lessons the old jedi order could not teach, since they had no physical bonds to families or partners) & maybe that is one of the reasons they became arrogant??

      • July 2, 2014 at 3:34 am

        Absolutely! I really think that the fact that Luke’s experiences in many ways run counter to the assumptions of the Old Jedi Order may be a big key to how the new films approach the whole issue of what the new Jedi are like. Denying basic elements of “humanity” didn’t exactly serve the Old Jedi all that well, as we know.

        • July 2, 2014 at 3:57 am

          it makes one wonder if more jedi had secret wife/partner/kids , or was Anakin first to break the rule? anythings possible 🙂

  • July 2, 2014 at 2:10 am

    Jedi with cowboy persona would be the essential! They are guardians of peace, not politicians and bureocrats as in the Old Republic Order.

    • July 2, 2014 at 3:35 am

      Yep! That’s something I know I’d sure like to see, and it makes a lot of sense too.

    • July 2, 2014 at 9:16 pm

      I think that “Samurai” would be more apt a description for a Jedi, instead of “Cowboy”.

  • July 2, 2014 at 2:23 am

    “Now, obviously the tone of this was very different between the Original Trilogy and the Prequel Trilogy, since the latter showed the Jedi at their height, while the latter revolved around a last-ditch attempt to bring the Jedi back from the brink of extinction.”

    The latter has the Jedi alive, and the latter has them near-extinction. Which one is it, Dekka? :>

    • July 2, 2014 at 3:37 am

      LOL!!! Dammit.

      See, this is why writers should never proofread their own material. ;^)

    • July 2, 2014 at 1:52 pm

      the latter or the latter?

      much proof reading here is needed

  • July 2, 2014 at 2:25 am

    I certainly hope Luke doesn’t rebuild the Jedi Order like what we saw in the prequels. Lucas purposely dumbed down all the good guys, from the Jedi to the politicians, in order to have Palpatine win in the end. It was completely unnecessary and disrespectful to those characters.

    I don’t want to admire as heroes those who view expressing natural, loving human emotions as evil and undesired. That’s just weird to me.

    • July 2, 2014 at 3:41 am

      Yeah, I always felt like it was kind of a cheap way to handicap the Jedi to justify Palpatine knocking one out of the park on ’em.

      Had Lucas come up with a story where the Jedi were truly on top of their game and Palpatine STILL managed to pull off their destruction and the overthrow of the Republic, that would have made for a trio much more powerful movies. (In my opinion, anyway!)

  • July 2, 2014 at 2:35 am

    Guys! Kevin Smith saw the ep 7 set and HE LEFT WITH TEARS OF JOY. LOOK AT HIS INSTAGRAM @thatkevinsmith

  • July 2, 2014 at 2:59 am

    I Hope they’ll take elements from the EU to do this, like: The temple in Yavin 4, a Jedi Knight with multiple apprentices, the Jedi can love, and other things.

  • July 2, 2014 at 3:05 am

    My understanding is that Luke creates a Jedi Board of Directors, and looks to turn the Jedi franchise into a corporation. The force, however, has little sway over the Internal Revenue Service, who come after Luke for tax invasion. Princess Leia was forced off the board when here estranged husband Han pulls a take-over. She now works at Hooters. Luke is on the run. Speculation on this is like hoping the Govt. will spend your taxes in a meaningful way.. pure hyperbole.

  • July 2, 2014 at 3:08 am

    I have a hunch that there will be few Jedi. But I honestly do not think that Luke and Leia will be the only ones. It would make more sense to me if Leia/Luke are the leaders of the Rebel Alliance and Han is the military commander alongside Oscar Issac’s character. Maybe Leia will be a Jedi Master alongside Luke. I’d like to see Serkis as an alien Jedi. I’d like to see Max von Sydow as some sort of Sith.

    Heres a question for ya’ll. Luke’s saber was destroyed at the end of EP VII. Will it be blue or green in the ST? 😉

    Call me crazy, but I’d like to see an army of Jedi vs Sith The Old Republic/Mandalorian Wars/Lord of the Rings style.

  • July 2, 2014 at 3:15 am

    Nice article, I thoroughly enjoyed reading it.

    As for my own opinion, I personally believe there should not be a Jedi Order, as Luke and his father have brought Balance back to the Force, the Sith are gone and Luke is the only remaining Jedi. There is no real need for a Jedi Order, as that would simply bring the Force back out of Balance once again. And as you say in the article, the Jedi Order itself was fundamentally wrong, as is shown excellently in The Clone Wars series. In A New Hope, Luke is the idealistic farm boy who dreams of adventure and heroism. In The Empire Strikes Back, he’s been fighting a war but he still holds onto that idealism. In Return of the Jedi, he’s come full circle and accepted the darkness within his family and himself and he saves the galaxy. He’s no longer that young farm boy with dreams of adventure, he’s already done it. I honestly think Luke would have returned to Tatooine and become a farmer just like his Uncle always wanted. This would also tie in with rumours that Han Solo is eagerly searching the galaxy for Luke.
    If not this, then perhaps the Jedi have become much like the Jidaigeki they were originally based on, a small number of roaming samurai that maintain order across the galaxy wherever they go, always moving, never settling down, not an institutionalised religious order in a temple that is too entwined with politics to function properly any longer.

  • July 2, 2014 at 3:24 am

    Luke will be the only Jedi at the start of the ST. He will end up training Boyega to be his successor.

    • July 2, 2014 at 3:59 am

      Why would Luke wait 30 years to BEGIN training Jedi?

  • July 2, 2014 at 3:25 am

    Would Luke abandon the old Jedi ways that precluded permanent romantic attachment?

    The Jedi that were wiped out during Order 66 would surely (had they known the whole context) have seen the consequences of Anakin’s seret marriage as the most massive confirmation imaginable that the old Jedi ways were WISE.

    • July 2, 2014 at 10:17 pm

      The entire problem with Anakin’s marriage is that it had to be secret – the only person who figured it out before Anakin went off the deep end was Palpatine, due to his political connections with the people of Naboo (where he and Padme were married) and his ability to sense thoughts and emotions.

      The Jedi, on the other hand, would likely have excommunicated Anakin from the Order if they’d known about his relationship – all because they believed that love was a bad thing. If they hadn’t been so averse to the concept of various human needs, Anakin could have told the Council about his visions and Padme’s life could have been saved. Love was not the problem here – it was the concealment of emotions.

  • July 2, 2014 at 3:27 am

    So many possibilities where this story could have gone after ROTJ. Maybe Luke decided to hang up his lightsaber, get married, live a sheltered life on Tatooine and have several kids, none of whom know anything about their father’s past (déjà vu here). Which is where SW7 opens, with an attack at Luke on Tatooine by bounty hunters in the employ of an old nemesis.

  • July 2, 2014 at 3:30 am

    after defeating jabba, the emperor and aiding in the destruction of death star 2, as well as destroying death star 1, ill bet luke is a wanted man. my speculation is that he hasnt been able to rebuild the jedi order very much. its possible hes been on the run.

  • July 2, 2014 at 4:09 am

    No,just no!

    • July 2, 2014 at 4:10 am

      Icompletely agree with you.

    • July 2, 2014 at 4:12 am

      Star Wars is 4 nonces

  • July 2, 2014 at 4:15 am

    Looking throug this topic and the different ideas, wants, wishes, etc on the subject and I don’t see anyway for Disney (or anyone else) to please the fan base as a whole.

    Which isn’t to say they can’t do a good job they very well might. I do expect a lot of complaints on this subject either way.

    I am sure it will get addressed though even if it’s just in the opening text scroll.

    Edit…that was supposed to have been a reply not a new comment. Lol

    • July 2, 2014 at 4:24 am

      No movie is ever going to please all of a fanbase, of course. Episode VII won’t, and neither will any of the other SW flicks we’ll see over the next decade.

      All we can really hope for is that they’ll make an effort to tell a compelling story through a good solid script and engaging characters. (With lotsa ‘splosions!) ;^)

      • July 2, 2014 at 5:11 am

        i’m happy either way, a new jedi order or just Luke & anything in between, it is george’s stories & visons & think that whatever he imagined will fit in with the overall saga…

      • July 2, 2014 at 9:05 am

        As long as the bulk of the fanbase loves or at least accepts the new movies, it’s all good.

  • July 2, 2014 at 4:20 am

    Jedi’s that will sit on Luke’s council will be Ezra from Rebels and Ahsoka from the Clone Wars…….

    These are just a few of the handful of Jedi we will see in Episode 7.

  • July 2, 2014 at 4:35 am

    That is true and I am optimistically in. “Wait and see” mode atm.

    I would like to see a middle ground between what was seen in the PT and Luke living as hermit myself.

  • July 2, 2014 at 4:55 am

    I sure hope not

  • July 2, 2014 at 5:15 am

    I would like to see Luke as zen like master in a serene location teaching a small number of students who have sought him out to learn the ways of the force. He has little interest in who is ruling the galaxy. But he and his students are called upon for help and he is forced to leave his peaceful new home to help his old friends against a new danger.

  • July 2, 2014 at 5:20 am

    What overall sage the ot and tp go together like milk and vinegar

  • July 2, 2014 at 5:30 am

    what do you base your no comment 4:09 anon?

  • July 2, 2014 at 8:29 am

    I had one other thought too: being a jedi and believing in the force is a “religion”, so I’d expect that with the spread of the phrase “may the force be with you” that it would inspire people to train themselves in the ways of the force… they might not even need Luke to do the training.

    Not that I want to see a return to midichlorians… but I’d imagine many beings are still “force sensitive” or whatever you want to call it… I mean did all the force sensitive people dissapear for some inexplicable reason or are they just too dumb to realize they can control the force?

    • July 2, 2014 at 10:04 pm

      I read an article, were lucas had the idea of the midichlorians already in the 70s , when he was writing the first film & at that time he had this to say about the force: everyone can become a jedi, it is like learning karate or yoga, but some people in the star wars galaxy can become it much easier because they have better preposition for it in their cells.

      i don’t know if this early idea still is around after the prequels…

  • July 2, 2014 at 8:36 am

    “It was, after all, the fact that the Jedi Code forbade emotional, and particularly romantic attachments that created the conflict within Anakin Skywalker that Palpatine was ultimately able to use as the fulcrum point with which he toppled the Jedi Order”. Well, had Anakin not gone against the Jedi code in the first place then he wouldn´t have been in a situation where he would have had clashing interests, had he? The main reason to give up all attachements is an important part of the Jedi, and I believe it will be in the new trilogy as well. I think the part that stood out most was when Yoda said to Mace Windy that he thought some of the younger Jedi had become arrogant, and he also said he didn´t trust Anakin to begin with. Luke will follow Yodas path.

    • July 2, 2014 at 9:16 pm

      I think you are totally wrong. Completely refutes everything Luke learned and experienced in the OT. Keep in mind that the chronology of what we saw in the order the movies were released is different from the chronology experienced by the characters themselves. It doesn’t make sense for Luke to go back to the “old ways” when everything he knows suggests they were wrong.

      And, I think Luke has spent the last 30+ years learning about the past to ensure that the same mistakes are not made again.

  • July 2, 2014 at 8:43 am

    One thing for sure, there are lots of interesting possibilitites in the Star Wars universo about Jedis 30 years after ROTJ. I can’t wait to see what Kasdan has developed for us…I’m really excited…hehehe 😉
    We will have another great script after Raiders and Empire?

  • July 2, 2014 at 9:54 am

    Here we go with this dumb crap again about the Jedi was corrupt and arrogant. Bull crap !!!!
    The only thing corrupt was Palpatine and a spoiled brat Anakin. The Jedi council was well organized and had no dictators. They helped others before themselfves. You SW nerds that come in here everyday with this Jedi was corrupt, Anakin was the chosen one but got to do dark bad things first is a tragic tail of what your brains really are. Too much zombies, and vampire movies, too much Kardashians and Beiber. No wonder the OT generation laughs at you new geeneration of idiots. And Lucas done lost his mind during the prequels no wonder he got alot of hate. Anyone here that says the Jedi was corrupt in the PT is really a lost zombic soul…

    • July 2, 2014 at 1:32 pm

      I don’t think the Jedi were corrupt in the PT… but certainly they were blinded by their arrogance

    • July 2, 2014 at 9:23 pm

      Not corrupt, but certainly wrong in their approach. No emotional attachment? No thank you.

  • July 2, 2014 at 1:38 pm

    That’s what I was hoping for the first time I’ve heard about Episode 7!

  • July 2, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    Great article with some cool thoughts. Looking forward to Part 2.

  • July 2, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    While I understand the fannish desire to write an article like this, it’s pretty weak sauce.

    Unfortunately the author has failed to engage meaningfully with Star Wars as brand, product and creative vision. The argument is predicated on what a really real Luke Skywalker might do, when the proper question is: what do Disney, Lucasfilm and the creative team behind the film want to see on screen.

    Luke’s “choices” will be formed by Star Wars’ fictional history only in as much as they have to be plausible within that context, and let’s bear in mind that there’s *a lot* of room to manoeuvre here. We’ve got 30 plus years of unexplored timeline, and a whole universe of stuff that could’ve gone on behind the scenes of the first six films.

    Personally I’ll be amazed if Jedi swamp the screen in Episode VII. Why? Because we’ve spent the last 15 years wallowing in lightsabres. Because Abrams wants to bring something of an OT vibe, and the OT wasn’t Jedi fixated (despite what some fans will tell you). Because this new era of Star Wars needs to be distinctive and shed some of the baggage of the Prequels. Because it’s hard to see what kind of Jedi focussed story would feel fresh. Because the establishment of a new Academy or similar is surely the triumphant end of a story arc not the beginning. Because Han Solo is rumoured to be the lead in Episode VII and Jedi are being downplayed in Rebels – these things feels like statements of intent.

    What I’m not saying is that there won’t be any Jedi in Episode VII – of course there will.

    • July 2, 2014 at 3:55 pm

      So you chastise the author for writing a “weak-sauce fannish” article about jedi speculation, then you turn and do the same thing? Give us a break.

      You know nothing more than anyone else here. This is utter nonsense: “Unfortunately the author has failed to engage meaningfully with Star Wars as brand, product and creative vision. The argument is predicated on what a really real Luke Skywalker might do, when the proper question is: what do Disney, Lucasfilm and the creative team behind the film want to see on screen.”

      What does that even mean? It’s a bunch of drivel to make you sound more intelligent than you actually are… and we aren’t buying it. There is a myriad of directions that Abrams and Kasdan could take this and we’re all going to have to wait to find out where it leads, but to think you know how they think and that the story is some institutionalized, sterile ideology is ludicrous. Yes, it is the vision of those in power, but to think they wouldn’t be mindful enough to look through the eyes of a “really real Luke Skywalker” is an insult to Abrams and Co. That would be to state that they can’t see this situation as fans would. Agreed that a lot of the fan ideas are far too “nerdish” and outlandish for film, but there is a definite plausibility to the idea presented in this article… so get off your high horse, pal.

      I think that the jedi aren’t the only ones who are blinded by arrogance…….

      • July 2, 2014 at 6:01 pm

        Oh-kay… I think you’ve misunderstood some of things I’ve written so allow me to have another go.

        Look, here’s one thing we can’t know: what’s going on in Luke Skywalker’s fictional brain. Which isn’t the same thing as saying that what Luke Skywalker chooses to do vis a vis the Jedi doesn’t need to make sense within the context of what we know about the character and within the constraints of the Star Wars universe’s fictional history. *Of course* the creators will be concerned with seeing the world through Luke’s eyes. I’ve never suggested otherwise. That’s how you write characters, after all. What I object to is starting from that position not as a creator, but as someone speculating about what we might see in the next film.

        Here’s why: The fact is that we can speculate until the cows come home about what Luke may or may not do. My points are a) that any such speculation is very shaky because our knowledge of the fictional world that is Star Wars and the fictional character that is Luke Skywalker is profoundly incomplete, especially at this 30 years later juncture; b) that what we can know – or at least can make an educated guess at – is the intentions of the people and businesses behind the movie because in many instances they’re a matter of public record, or can be seen in action. We can also bring our real world experience to bear. Mine happens to be in marketing, hence the direction of travel of some of my thoughts above.

        Call me crazy, or indeed arrogant, but any fannish* speculation I might indulge in (and I totally understand that it is merely speculation and therefore very likely to be wrong) is going to be based on those things I can actually point to, at least as far as I can unpack or make an educated guess about them, and, yeah, okay, some gut instinct.

        *For the record I have zero problem with fans. I am one!

        • July 2, 2014 at 6:25 pm

          I’d like to add that the idea that we won’t see a clone of the old Jedi Order/Academy is one that I can get behind. Not because Luke would never go there – although that does make a lot of sense given that things didn’t go so well last time, to put it mildly – but because to simply give us what we’ve had before would be *boring* and a dead end from a storytelling point of view.

          • July 2, 2014 at 9:31 pm

            Yeah, I have to agree with the other poster here. You are trying to be “too intelligent” and over-analyzing this thing… and by the way, you basically come to the same conclusion, albeit looking through a different lens. Nothing wrong with the speculation and the conclusions drawn are very logical based upon what we already know of the characters and fictional universe.

  • July 2, 2014 at 3:10 pm

    Oh yeah, another because to add to the list: Abrams has publicly endorsed Rule 3 “We don’t always need an explanation. The Force is allowed to be mysterious.” Mystery thrives on absence, on the things that we don’t see. Armies of student Jedi wouldn’t necessarily help with that.

  • July 2, 2014 at 3:34 pm

    I hope we do see Luke set up shop somewhere and I hope he, and only he, meets with the Force ghosts of Qui-gon, Anakin, Yoda and Obi-wan. He has to be seen as the new face of the Jedi and having ghosts hanging around all the time would step on Luke’s toes IMO. Furthermore, I hope he is at odds with what they’re instructing him to do in some way. Not an all out fight but Luke going against his mentors in some capacity based on what he thinks is right v what they think is right. I think it will be important for Luke to surpass Yoda and Obi-Wan as the authority on all things Force to elevate his standing as the new “Master.” Perhaps his mentors have been advising him to not train any new Jedi for fear of throwing the Force off balance again but at the start of the ST Luke decides it’s wrong to not take on a student. If a new threat presents itself or a student he thinks absolutely needs to be taught comes along..

  • July 2, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    Even if Luke wanted to re-establish the Jedi Order, it would not be fulfilled in his life time. How long did it take the Jedi Council to be established before it was destroyed by Palpatine? I would think in the sequel trilogy Luke would simply be looking for Force sensitives and/or training them. I tend to believe that there are Force sensitives out there, but without an established system in place, finding them is a long process. It’s not like establishing, say, a religion. If you’re establishing a religion, anyone within ear shot would be a candidate. However, Force sensitives are few and far between. Sure, any offspring of Luke or Leia’s would be a candidate, but how old are they now? At the most they would be 29 years old, a good age. However, that’s only a handful, not enough to start an order.

  • July 2, 2014 at 7:47 pm

    Good article,Dekka.I think that Luke is a very diferent Jedi,he is more Compasive,Luminous and Great Jedi compared with a some Jedis of the old republic.He redeemed his father with intuition,love and compassion….and he will teach these spiritual values to their students.A Jedi should follow values like these and be more human,not behave like a stone,without emotions.A Jedi work his inner emotions but does not elimine this.We will see this in episode 7,i think.

  • July 2, 2014 at 8:35 pm

    Abrams intends to make a good Star Wars movie, so I do not think we will see a boring useless PT-like Jedi Council. In hindsight I understand why Lucas wanted this portrayal but it didn’t make for interesting story. What Abrams hopefully does is give us the Jedi as roaming, Samurai-like agents of the Force, with no silly centralized command of lifeless puppets and CGI characters (Mace, Yoda). Palpatine actually made the galaxy a better place.

  • July 2, 2014 at 9:19 pm

    I have a feeling that after what happened in the Clone Wars many people in the Galaxy don’t like Jedis. There must be so much disbelief for them that it is difficult to rebuild anything. In a new hope Han Solo even says “Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.” This disbelief can mean that Luke is living in exile like Ben did. Maybe Han Solo and Leia has told him to get the hell out off there.
    Maybe a new enemy is rising in Episode 7 and Han Solo gives a bunch of youngsters a task to locate good old Luke so he can save the day.
    So I don’t think that there is a jedi order but this can be the start of a new one.

  • July 3, 2014 at 6:30 am

    As shown on the current slide and by cross refrencing with index 116 “In relation to the the refoming of the Jedi order”. It is noted in the minuts of the previous meeting and also referenced in index 2274. “In relation to the forming of the Jedi order” the motion has been deferred the the sub council of the question of “In relation to the reforming of the Jedi order”. At the conclusion of this meeting it was decided that the issue would be returned to the peliminary council of the question of “In relation to the reforming of the Jedi order”. Due to the end of the sitting session of the the current parliment. The matter of “In relation to the reforming of the jedi order” has been re alocated to the administrative arm of the council so it may be put on the agenda to be reviewed in the new parliment when it returns in the new year. For the moment and untill the new sitting of parliment the council will be maintaining order66 as the established method of negatiations with the jedi we are hoping in the short term that “kill them all” will eleviate the necesity to further question the question “in relation to the reforming of the Jedi empire” when parliment re opens in spring

    Thank god George Lucas dosent write SW anymore

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