Star Wars Rebels: The Holocrons of Fate, What Did You Think?
A new episode of Star Wars Rebels aired today. Tell us what you thought about the episode in the comments section and check out StarWars.com’s new video Rebels Recon #3.02: Inside “The Holocrons of Fate
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I really loved this episode. Every time they bring maul into these episodes I feel more and more the prequels and orig trig get closer
normally i don’t mind adding new layers to movie canon, but maul going to find kenobi this close to ANH… i’m both freaking out and dreading the possibility. regardless, maul has become an awesome character and i loved him in this one.
Maul doesn’t look to have aged much as well.
well you know what they say, black don’t crack.
I don’t see how it matters to anything in ANH
I sense Ewan McGregor in our future.
I really really hope this means an Obi Wan spinoff film is drawing near.
I think something like this makes that less likely.
Building upon a remark I made last week. Considering Kanan’s remark about Ezra having to learn not to rely on only his lightsaber, I think the possibility’s getting stronger that some Force wielding characters may actually be around the time of the OT.
This way Obi-Wan and Yoda (later Luke) are still the only Jedi. Other force-wielders are simply called something else. I think this could be a way of the story group covering themselves in case Disney doesn’t want to get rid of Kanan, Ezra and others..
I think it’s more mirroring what Yoda said to Luke when he went into the cave: “Your weapons. You will not need them.”
Obviously, but sadly is played out so straightforward and quickly that the reconciliation doesn’t feel at all earned to me.
I think they’ve shown plenty in the past that Ezra prefers to leap into action and would rather fight than seek another way
Right, but again, what they were doing was trying to heal a rift between Ezra and Kanan (Caleb?). For the sake of a 22 minute episode they really rush through that cave sequence, which means Ezra doesn’t really get in danger, Kanan doesn’t really let him face much of his own failing there, and, as a result the reconciliation doesn’t feel earned to me. It’s like the Dagobah cave but without Luke really failing and without Yoda letting him to prove a point.
I think comparing it to the Dagobah cave in terms of overall meaning compared to Luke is really reaching. It doesn’t reach that level because it’s not meant to.
They are doing something different here.
But Kanan’s officially a Jedi… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW-8lA3449o
I still just dont think the characters are as strong as they were on clone wars that i realize now into season three that isnt going to chance. It just bring with it a big who cares about their fates factor.
Regarding the specifics of the episode i thought the idea of putting the two holorcroms together was a load of hogwash. Im not a huge fan lf the holocrons to begin with – they are okay as information libraries, but when they start doing weird things with them it feels like lazy in a way… Like hey lets just make the holocrons do whatever we need to fit the story. There should be rules to the holocrons. In fact i just wish the show would lose them all together.
Maul was fine and brought some excitement. Kanan is inconsistent… One minute im okay with him, the next i wish they would just get rid of the jedi altogether. Its ridiculous that sidiois and vader havent already destroyed them. Like they have better things to do?
Also… No rex? Weak.
I hate heras costume and her stupid baggy floght pants.
Kanans reasoning for not letting ezra go into the cave with his saber was stupid considering they were in a hurry to save their friends, not learn lessons about the force.
The action scenes were good though.
Looking forward to the maul/obiwan showdown. I will say that this had better finally resolve maul and the show better kill him off. On one hand why bring him back just to kill him off ao quickly (maybe he will get held up on his way to find obi-wan?) but on the other if maul walks away from his enounter with obiwan this show is a total failure.
“Also… No rex? Weak.”
Why did he need to be there?
Why did hera need to be there. Or sabine? Or zeb?
Um, because they are part of the Ghost crew and Rex is not.
Rex is part of the crew. And even if he wasn’t then that’s another area that is inconsistent on the show… one week he is with them, next week he is not. They never explain.
In any case, he could have easily been with them. And it would have made the episode better because Rex is a superior character to the entire ghost crew.
MAUL VS OBI-WAN NOW!!
Bring..it..on
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I’m hesitant to jump on the Maul saw Obi-wan thing.
Here is why: Maul said this to Obi-wan in the Clone Wars: “I never planned on killing you, but I will make you share my pain, Kenobi.”
He spoke about “spiritual” pain, not physical. So at this point in Obi-wans life, I don’t really know, what could Maul take away from him, to brake him. Filoni and co also said multiple times, that Maul wants to build a legacy, something that he can pass on. I don’t see how killing Obi-wan (or hurting him) would gain him anything in that regard.
In my opinion he wants to gain power, and authority maybe even to the point, where he can screw with the Empire, and with the Sith Lords (“The Sith took everything from me.” <- In my opinion he hates Palpatine and Vader more, than Kenobi).
I think, he might looked for someone with enough power and/or knowledge, to help him make this come true. That can be anyone from an ancient Dark Sider being to Snoke. He belived them/her/him/it to be a subject of legends, but it turned out to be real. Who knows? What do you think?
I would also like to point out in the twin suns regards, that Anakin Skywalker was also the son of Tatooine. 😉
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i like this reasoning. plus maul said he was looking for “hope”, i’m not sure if finding kenobi gets him anything more than revenge.
on a side note: i wonder if “hope” could be a reference to “a new hope” and luke.
Maul is looking for hope. Luke is the hope and Obi-Wan is watching over the hope.
entirely plausible.
I have to agree. We have to keep in mind that Anakin is also from Tatooine.
Maul may not have known that Vader survived the fight against Ahsoka on Malachor, considering he and also the Ghost crew quickly evacuated the planet.
Perhaps Maul wants to seek out Vader for a chance to defeat him. Maul would like nothing else than to spite Sidious, his old master.
Also, I got the sense that maybe Maul and Ezra saw two different visions.
The merging of the holocrons connected Maul and Ezra to the Cosmic Force, which showed them the fabric of the galaxy…how the weft and warp are sewn together, forming a sort of history (knowledge)…these are holocrons, after all.
Maul looked into the past. He has been to Tatooine around the time Anakin was 9. Maul’s motivations are to forge his own legacy, one that Sidious is now forging with Vader.
Ezra, on the other hand, perhaps he saw the future. Ezra’s motivations always seem to float around helping others and helping the fledgling rebellion against the Empire. The irony is that we, as the audience of this television show, know what comes next. We know what happens in the Original Trilogy. We know that Luke hails from Tatooine, the planet with twin suns. We know that Luke leaves, discovers his identity, and redeems his father Anakin. What we do not know is how Ezra plans on reacting to his vision, assuming that he saw Luke as the hope of the rebellion.
Maula nd Ezra will take two different paths knowing what they each saw in the merged holocrons. Maul is macro, focused on his galactic legacy. Ezra, I believe, is more focused on the success of the rebellion. His character is meant to work in parallel to Luke and Leia — they are all the same age.
Not sure where I am going to this….
Speculation: But, yeah, Maul will seek out Vader. He will fail and be severely disfigured. And this will be the connection to Rogue One. Maul is in the bacta tank.
Anakin wasn’t born on Tatooine, but he was from there, yes.
Wait, what? Shmi and Ani arrived on Tatooine after his birth? Was this a Hutt’s doing?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoS_fm6UAAAaY48.jpg Here is a link. only bit we know.
Thanks, Uncle Deadly! I love how Jake Lloyd delivers this line so pensively, which might be why this nugget of info never stayed with me. Ani’s birth off Tatooine is a nice parellel to Luke’s and Leia’s birth off planet. Do we know more about from where Shmi hails?
No problem! I don’t think we know anything about her past. Probably won’t ever, I imagine.
In legends perhaps but there is nothing in canon that states that. I would assume he was born on Tatooine because he says in TFM that he’s been a slave all his life.
I don’t reference Legends. I am talking about TPM. Anakin said they came there when he was 3:
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That’s from Pablo’s twitter.
I actually forgot he said that. I most have gotten amnesia from that film or something. 😉
i would be surprised if maul showed up in any form in rogue one.
I think I would be surprised too.
“Also, I got the sense that maybe Maul and Ezra saw two different visions.”
Nope. Ezra’s quote was ‘Twin suns’ (Tatooine). Maul wants Obi-wan dead more than Sidious; Obi-wan’s the man he has to thank for his physically-diminished state…they both saw similar things, but likely not the exact same thing. And I’d invert the macro/micro comparison: I think Ezra’s question ‘How to defeat the Sith’ keys on Luke, who redeems Vader / Anakin, and brings about the end of Palpatine’s reign; by proxy, it keys on Kenobi, who is also on Tatooine minding the future of the Jedi…Maul’s in it for the quick return on investment / revenge
Maul in the bacta tank? Only in a Kevin J. Anderson novel…
“”Also, I got the sense that maybe Maul and Ezra saw two different visions.”Nope. Ezra’s quote was ‘Twin suns’ (Tatooine).”
I think his point is that Maul and Ezra may not have been viewing the same vision. While Ezra saw Tatooine, it does not mean Maul did.
It actually kinda does. This isn’t rocket science, and I know Star Wars (to its detriment) creates a lot of zany, tinfoil hat conspiracy silliness (e.g., ‘Snoke is DARTH PLAGUEIS’), but it’s simple: Maul actually says
Maul: I see it…
Ezra: Twin suns
Kanan: It’s not worth it, Ezra – trust me
Maul: NO
*explody bits*
Sabine: Where’s Maul?
Maul: HE lives…HE LIVES (flies off)
It’s no secret to Maul that the Emperor is alive, or Vader, for that matter (they doubtless feature regularly via HoloNet to the galaxy’s denizens as any public figure in our world does on CNN, Fox News, etc.). Kenobi is a different story altogether; as far as the galaxy at large is concerned (at the time of Rebels, some ~15 years after Ep. III / Order 66), Yoda & Kenobi = No mas…
QED
Yes, Maul and Ezra both see Tatooine. I guess I was trying to say they each might be seeing something different under the “twin suns” since they both have different perspective on how to destroy the Sith.
Can’t wait to see where this plot thread leads!
To be fair, the snoke is plageius theory was probably the most sane of all the snoke theories.
I disagree. I think it reeked of bad fan-fic from the start. Not sure if you’re reading stuff like the new novels (Aftermath trilogy), new comics, even the Force Awakens novel has a few choice tidbits that throw shade on all that Plagueis silliness:
1) “Kylo Ren, I watched the Galactic Empire rise, and then fall. The gullible prattle on about the triumph of truth and justice, of individualism and free will. As if such things were solid and real instead of simple subjective judgments. The historians have it all wrong. It was neither poor strategy nor arrogance that brought down the Empire. You know too well what did.” Ren nodded once. “Sentiment.” – from TFA novel
2) “Palpatine felt that the universe beyond the edges of our maps was where his power came from. Over the many years he, with our aid, sent men and women beyond known space. They built labs and communication stations on distant moons, asteroids, out there in the wilds. We must follow them. Retreat from the galaxy. Go out beyond the veil of stars. We must seek the source of the dark side like a man looking for a wellspring of water.” – Yupe Tashu, former advisor to Palpatine, in Aftermath, book 1
From these, it’s fairly obvious that the Sith were only a slice of the Dark Side pizza – adherents to a narrow faction of what it seems Snoke embodies the WHOLE of. He’s beyond a mere sect; he’s the aggregation of the Dark Side. Not a Sith. Much more…
Before all the new canon I thought it had its merits and of course it has been thoroughly debunked as you’ve shown. But compared to the Vader or tarkin is snoke theories it at least felt plausible.
This season of Rebels is showing there’s so much more to the Force (Bendu) than just the dogmatic tenets of Light (Jedi) vs. Dark (Sith); it seems (or I’m hoping) Luke in Ep. VIII starts moving beyond the limitations of titles like ‘Jedi’; I’ve always felt the demise of the Jedi was inevitable: How can you thoroughly profess you serve ‘The Force’ when you’re limited to only studying the Light? You can’t ‘serve’ something you don’t fully comprehend, and if your teachers have forbidden you from doing so, how can you not have an incomplete set of skills / understanding? Feels a bit short-sighted, and hopefully the last decade (give or take) in isolation have caused Luke to re-evaluate his methods & seek something bigger than just a new Jedi Order…
i’m so glad they are doing that. the mortis arc from clone wars was my favorite episodes for that very reason. jedi and sith are just ideologies, while the force has its own identity and meaning. fascinating stuff to be sure.
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Maul may not have known that Vader survived the fight against Ahsoka
on Malachor, considering he and also the Ghost crew quickly evacuated
the planet.
Perhaps Maul wants to seek out Vader for a chance to
defeat him. Maul would like nothing else than to spite Sidious, his old
master.
Also, I got the sense that maybe Maul and Ezra saw two different visions.”
I had the same thoughts….Obi-Wan seems to obvious, but then it’s a kid’s show so maybe it’s meant to be.
Anakin wasn’t born on Tatooine.
The easiest answer is usually correct.
We never actually know where Ani is born, especially in the context of the Saga films…but his birth is similar to Luke’s, who was born on Polis Massa and reared on Tatooine.
Right.
if they both saw the same thing, we can assume Maul recognized Tatooine since he’s been there. Ezra didn’t recognize it, but mentioned twin suns. Ezra wanting to find a way to destroy the Sith makes me think that he sees Luke. The “He lives” part has got to be about Obi-wan. What interest Maul has in him is debatable since it would seemingly have nothing to do with anything other than revenge. Great episode for the most part. Maul is a little over the top sometimes, I like him best when he’s cool, and really loved him as an old man. Kinda wish they kept that edge since he’s looking a little too young in this episdoe imo.
so this just dropped…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miVRaoR_8xQ
i think he has (as per usual) some very good, overlooked points. the lack of sexuality in TFA is kinda disturbing now when I think of it, everyone is either old or not interested in anything but saving the world. i can understand the lack of Rey/Finn romance as she had to save his ass pretty much throughout the movie, but yeah, not letting Han and Leia share a kiss or have something going on between Kylo and Rey was kinda, dehumanizing i guess. overall I think Plinkett makes a good and articualte point on why TFA was so utterly borin. my only hope now is RJ and his involvement and concept of IX being the last LAST saga episode with one shot anthology films every 3-5 years after 2019 if anything
Ezra saw Luke, and Maul saw Obi Wan. One of the best episodes of Rebels. This show is Star Wars in its truest form
Just watched it, and i came to that same conclusion. Bet we see an Obi-Wan vs Maul fight. Only thing is that Obi-Wan will probably be much more defensive and slower, as he was in ANH, since this is what… 3 years prior?