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Star Wars Episode VIII: John Boyega Training for More Swordfighting.

Finn ignitesWhile Finn’s use of a lightsaber in the ad campaign leading up to the release of Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens led many to believe that he would become Jedi of the movie, the movie ended up showing that Rey would take that role instead. However, recent Instagram post by John Boyega himself implies that he’s practicing up on his fencing skills – and that he’ll be wielding a lightsaber again in Episode VIII.

 

 

 

Boyega’s clothing appears to be fit for fencing in general, but looking more closely at the image reveals there’s a little more to it than just that. His hat features the kanji for “Samurai”, and the shirt and gloves seem to be labeled as “Kendo” – the kind of swordfighting style most commonly associated with lightsaber duels. With this in mind, Finn may be a Jedi yet.

 

In case you missed the Star Wars: The Force Awakens: Evolution of the Lightsaber Featurette from last year, where Kendo is discussed, here it is again:

 

 

 

Thanks to the good people in The Cantina for pointing this out. We’ll be sure to keep you covered as Episode VIII continues to shift from pre-production to the actual production cycle.

 

 

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  • nph53

    idk, rey has the only lightsabre we saw in the film and only jedi know how to build one. i’d guess he’ll get a vibroblade to use against the marry band of ren.

    • ZOD

      Hard to say. He could find one in an old temple. Get one from an old ex-Jedi. Learn to build one from Luke or some ancient text. Steal one from a first order warehouse… The possibilities are endless.

      • nph53

        Maybe, but it seems like rey should be doing that stuff. But who knows maybe maz found yoda’s half sized sabre from RotS as well. ;)

      • Jacob Andrew Hollander

        You don’t get it, it’s not the you need to be a Jedi to know the technical details to build a lightsaber, it’s that you HAVE to be sensitive to the force to find the crystals you need and then physically build it. Otherwise there would be lightsabers everywhere.

        • ZOD

          Spoilers! Most of us havent seen episodes 8 & 9 yet. Damn, I thought that Fin might be Force sensitive — the way he overcame his storm trooper training and all. Now you’ve ruined the surprise.

          • Jacob Andrew Hollander

            No offense but that’s a stretch at best. Finn was simply disloyal to the First Order cause and made a run for it. It’s not like these people are mind controlled or something, or even that the idea of an Imperial Stormtrooper defecting is even a new idea,.Han Solo was supposed to have been a defector himself, at least according to “legends”, but that was true in even the earliest days of the EU.

            Point being the only thing that led anyone to believe Finn was force sensitive was misleading marketing leading up to TFA, you might try to justify it now despite the fact all of that clearly turned out to be a red herring but the idea that he would somehow have to be Force Sensitive to “overcome his storm trooper training” is stupid.

            • ZOD

              Finn overcoming his conditioning from birth (evidently a rare thing in the First Order) and being sensed (or was it just noticed?) by Kylo might mean he’s force sensitive or it might not. He might be an ultimate everyman who stands up. He might be another new hope. You don’t know — I don’t know.

              I think that Finn probably isn’t force sensitive, or that his abilities will be important/revealed later in the series. I absolutely do think that the “abducted as small children and conditioned” stormtroopers will be explored more. I don’t think they are like the clones or the OT soldiers. Just my opinion, but I think that there will be more to this subplot. There might even be some parallels to Rey’s story.

  • Derth Nadir

    Not sure where you see Kendo, but that is a fencing logo on the shirt.

  • The MacGuffin Guy

    Well Samuel L. Jackson did say he needed to go to lightsaber school lol :P

  • SHIFT

    Hmmm, i wouldn’t like to Finn become a Jedi. I mean, he feels more like a “blaster” guy. Like Han Solo.

    • HeadleyGrange

      I think he looks badass with both

      • SHIFT

        Yes, i’m not saying, that i’m not looking forward to see Finn fighiting with a lighsaber again, i loved the idea of non-force sensitive wielding a lightsaber, i’m just saying he’s not charismatic enough for a jedi(at least for me).

        • nph53

          “not charismatic enough to be a jedi.”

          did you watch the PT? ;)

          • Brother Bob

            maybe he’s too charismatic to be a PT jedi :D

        • Longstar

          Dude I don’t mean this in a rude way, but WTF? lmfaooooooo. Hes the most charismatic character thus far in Star Wars lore behind Han Solo and Lando.

        • What does that even mean? Charismatic as an actor or as a character? What does Charisma have to do with being a Jedi? How Charismatic was Qui gon or Yoda? You need to break down your argument because you sound extremely unclear.

          • SHIFT

            Character, obviously. All i meant by what i said is that, he is not the type of character i’d expect to become a jedi(they’re more spiritual, i don’t know), he’s more quick tempered, impetous, he is runing around looking for a blaster yelling. So, to sum up i’d expect his character to evolve in other way, based on what we have seen in TFA (i’m not quite sure, if i cleared it enough, i’m not exactly satisfied with how this statement came out-non-native speaker problems ;) ).

            • AuDiOsAnE

              You’re judging an untrained character as if he were trained. Also, how spiritual was Luke before he began training? Wasn’t he impatient along the way? And how was Finn quick tempered and so on? You mean those times he was scared for his life and under a lot of pressure?

    • Pieter Ketelaar

      Luke lost his new generation of Jedi. He’ll reluctantly train another group.

  • evan

    I think even though he was far from great with it, Finn using a lightsaber and holding his own with it proves that you don’t need to be a Jedi to use one. I would love to see Rey become a Jedi Knight and Finn become an average Knight. The Finn vs. Ren portion of the climax is my favorite lightsaber fight in SW. It’s only about a minute, but it is so intense and awesome. I would love to get more of that. And since Phasma and Finn are inevitably going to face off in 8, I would love to see them go at it with an awesome sword fight.

    • Longstar

      I agree 100%. Finn vs Kylo Ren felt like the most organic, rewarding, entertaining lightsaber duel in Star Wars imho. I went 3 times, and each time the theater erupted and applauded the Finn vs Ren duel. Each time. Rey vs Kylo Ren felt forced because you know….story reasons. I still enjoy it. But dude.. I got up from my seat and punched the air when Finn and Ren went down… and I wasn’t the only one.

      I’m realllllllly starting to think Finn and Kylo Ren have another fight.. cause Rey beat him already.. is the climax really going to be Rey beating Kylo Ren AGAIN? I’m expecting curveballs

      • regeekery – JD

        “Finn vs Kylo Ren felt like the most organic, rewarding, entertaining lightsaber duel in Star Wars imho.”

        ME TOO! I loved that fight. There’s no way it could have lasted any longer but I wish it had. And I do absolutely hope they get a rematch lightsaber battle later on in this trilogy.

      • Jacob Andrew Hollander

        Ya, I’ll agree it felt totally organic and rewarding to see Finn face off against the guy, it also felt totally organic that Finn was not able to fend him off.

  • system1988

    I don’t mind Boyega portraying a Jedi Knight or a Resistance Leader, either is fine as long as he gets good screentime and has fighting scenes along with Ridley. These two belong together in the battlefield. My bet is that E8 will have them scattered to the far reaches of the Galaxy only to meet up again by the end of the movie to kick some Ren ass together. This is highly foreshadowed by Rey telling Finn that they will see each other again, I bet that it will take a long time and hardships but they will make it. I also wouldn’t mind if it took the entirety of E8 to have them reunited, it would only make their reunion better.

  • DailyPlunge

    Snoke feared Luke because if he came back he’d raise a new Jedi Order. It would be awesome if Finn, Rey, and a few others were trained by Luke.

  • Samuel Wallace

    … not to mention the logo depicting a Fencer on his t-shirt.
    While Finn didn’t appear all that force-sensitive, for a beginner that guy got mad technical skills with a lightsaber. Even if he isn’t a jedi, he could still use the weapon…
    I wonder if Rey is going to use the Anakin Lightsaber as her training weapon, but come Episode IX she’ll get her own and it will be a double-bladed lightsaber, at which point, they’ll give the anakin lightsaber to Finn, since being a non-jedi, he can’t make his own.

    Then again, it could just turn out he IS force-sensitive after all and he becomes a jedi proper, which was in no way set up in TFA, but eh, whatever.

  • WackyBantha
  • Petar Ramljak

    I don’t want him to be a force user,because we saw something new with him,stormtrooper who decided to do the right think because he is a good person,not because he is force user.

    • TUD

      Why can’t he be a force user AND someone who just decided to do the right thing? Why does the force have to have anything to do with his decision?

      • Boberg

        I think Petar means that it was fun to see someone that’s not a force-user get this kind of attention in a movie. In the previous movies, we never learn much at all about the Stormtroopers or the clones (which was done greatly in The Clone Wars series). To me it kinda shows that even the normal people in the galaxy matters, not just the force-users.

        • Petar Ramljak

          Exactly,it is not the point for everyone to be the force users,Han is not force user,but he is my favorite character from what he is

          • J.C

            Yeah but out of the big three there is only one that is a non force user. Luke and Leia have the force Han doesn’t. Anakin and Obi wan have the force padme doesn’t. By the end of this trilogy Finn and Rey will be the force users and Poe is your guy who doesn’t. Poe is in his mid thirties. A lil late to become a Jedi.

  • The MacGuffin Guy

    I’d rather we have just one jedi / force user in the new “big three”, but i’m fine with it either way. It might be cool if is like weilds one without force powers, or perhaps has a vibroblade. As long as the characters with Jedi training appear more skilled then those without.

    • Longstar

      It just felt off because Rey looked so awkward wielding the saber, even after she decided to use the force, and Finn looked badass and fierce. Finn clearly looked like the better duelist of the two. I hope Rey is stronger in the force while Finn is just a better warrior. That would be such a cool dynamic i can rock with

      • Jacob Andrew Hollander

        Did it cross your mind that she was supposed to look awkward using it? Sure didn’t stop her from using it well whereas Finn got his ass easily handed to him whenever he tried to, didn’t even take someone force sensitive to do it.

        I’m gonna go ahead and say we must have watched a different movie. I’ve seen TFA going on ten times and none of these points I’ve seen brought up around the internet as evidence that Finn could be a Jedi make any sense whatsoever. I mean you would have to be completely misinterpreting TFA to believe that.

        • Longstar

          You went in for nothing lol

          That’s exactly what I meant. She was SUPPOSED to look awkward using it. Whereas Finn looked pretty damn solid with it. That was my point. It felt “off” and would make sense to me if they decided to have him wield another saber. Rey also has no training, so I “get it” I’m not misinterpreting anything.

  • Adavanter Mki

    I normally like the average Joe more than a Jedi… but honestly I liked them both so much I’d be ok if they were both Force sensitive.

  • Xavier Fierro

    I think it would be awesome if Finn is indeed force sensitive but really he is such a great character I’m good either way.

  • Longstar

    I felt like they made it obvious that the force sensitivity in Finn was left wide open with subtle seeds being planted but ultimately left to Rian Johnson. This might have been a change in the rewrite but it really looks like hes going to be a Jedi. Episode 8 might start with both of them being trained by Luke, If Finn wasn’t in a coma he would have been there with Rey on the island, they were inseparable at that point.

    • nph53

      i think #2 was more him sensing finn’s doubt in what they were doing, which was why kylo knew immediately who helped poe escape. and #3 finn was hearing people around him on takodana reacting to what was happening.

      • Longstar

        I didnt take it like that, but like I said.. I think it was left open in that way to decide after the initial reception, which way to go for Episode 8. If he happens to be force sensitive, we can go back to these scenes and say “yeah I can see it”

        • Jacob Andrew Hollander

          I think this is the definition of a baseless conjecture and wishful thinking. There is never any mistake in these films when a character is using the force. Give me a fucking break dude.

          • Longstar

            Dude you’re sensitive and text pointless long ass paragraphs. I don’t give two shits if Finn is force sensitive or not or wields a lightsaber. Stop being so uptight.

      • Jacob Andrew Hollander

        I think #2 was more him sensing Finn standing around not doing anything and for some reason staring him down.

  • I want to leave this planet.

    Hope he isn’t a Jedi,too much of a shoehorn,would be cool if he just fights Plasma with those riot batton thingys.

    • powersforgood

      A shoehorn? Why?

      • I want to leave this planet.

        Just seems too coincidental, why didn’t Kylo/Snoke etc sense his ability to feel the force? Would much prefer if he was in the Resistance commandos or something like that.

        • Alexander Louis

          Probably for the same reason that Vader didn’t sense Luke or Leia in the OT.

          • I want to leave this planet.

            Could be, I would have thought that the 1stO would have tested for mediclorians, they might have wanted new inquisitors or more Ren Knights?

            • KoKuTan Lufi

              Hasn’t it been confirmed that with this new direction, they are moving away from the whole mediclorian thing? Either way I vastly disagree with your belief hes being “shoehorned” into being a Jedi.

              • Jacob Andrew Hollander

                No, they can make a point of not mentioning them but they can’t just disregard canon. Midi-chlorians are set in stone and are forever a part of Star Wars whether you like it or not.

  • mabruno

    So, either Finn is going to be the first regular non-FS lightsaber user on the big screen, or he is going to get force powers after all. Here we go again !

    • PhoenixRising

      The Force AWAKENS.

  • apex

    Jedi are boring – just have people who can use the force and train them how to use it with out some religious clap trap!!

    • powersforgood

      They were actually pretty cool before the prequels. In the original trilogy the jedi were mysterious, enigmatic – the stuff of legends. In the prequels they were stripped of that mystery and made just plain boring.

      • apex

        That’s a good point…

    • Ludovic Vinsonneau

      Jedis of the Council are boring. Sure. It’s a shame they didn’t Jedis like Quinlan Vos. BUT, how a non-Force sensitive could make his own lightsaber ? Because the Force is involved for the construction. It’s anon-sense for me he can use a lightsaber. I hope he will end by cutting his own arm. XD

      • Bobby Sharp

        They were a bit dull, but I saw them more as elders that took a more bureaucratic role in Jedi matters. I’m sure there were slews of more interesting Jedi “in the field”. We just didn’t get to see much of that. I didn’t have a problem with their position in the Order. Surely, something like that is necessary. I just know that if I were a Jedi, I wouldn’t want to while away my days sitting in a chair atop a tower jawing things over.

        • Ludovic Vinsonneau

          Yeah and i think i share your opinion. That the point where Lucas wanted us to be. He showed us an organisation on the edge of the fall. They were the victim of their arrogance and too much confidence in their strenght, and their blindness and straight-headed dogmas.

    • Maz Kanata can use the Force! To be honest, I think this story arc will lead to the creation of a “Grey” Jedi Order. That or force users who are much more free and don’t follow the Jedi or Sith.

  • regeekery – JD

    If Finn is indeed Force sensitive that’s excellent. But if indeed he’s not but he still get his own lightsaber that he trains to fight with and carries into battle then IMO that is far cooler.

    • PhoenixRising

      Yeah, Finn has been established as someone who will throw himself into challenging situations because he cares about Rey and the Resistance. So I always thought it would be cool if he learns how to fight with a saber even though its dangerous for non force users.

  • Blacko

    So we are getting more hand to hand combat in Ep8….cool.

  • Me Vil

    If he will become a (not well-trained)Jedi, i have the sensation he will fall to the dark side. Could be interesting a fight between Rey and Finn. That would be unexpected :P

  • dillene

    You know who needs to use a lightsaber? General Organa. She needs to administer a little tough love to her wayward son.

  • Scott

    Presumably, there are three dark side force users, Kylo, Snoke, Benicio character. So Finn may well be the third light side force user.

    • Bobby Sharp

      Are we sure that Benicio’s character will be a Force user?

      • Scott

        Well, it still takes time for Kylo to become full fledged antagonist, True identity of Snoke will be continued to be mystery, which leaves only one antagonist who can overwhelm both Luke and Rey.

        • Bobby Sharp

          Well, for all we know we’ll learn about who Snoke is early on in Episode 8. And who knows what other threats will be unveiled. There are also the rest of the Knights of Ren whom we know next to nothing about. None of what I’ve seen so far necessarily suggests that Benicio’s character will be a Force user.

          Again, I’m not suggesting that I don’t like the idea. Del Toro’s a great actor and might make a rad Force user, just that nothing I’ve seen so far necessarily points in that direction.

  • Steven

    Is it possible he’s using a force pike? Though happy for him to be a new Jedi in training as well.

  • GMGalenMarek

    Good man JB.

  • Bobby Sharp

    I like the character, but I’m not sure it’s necessary for Finn to be Force sensitive. And not that there needed to be, but I didn’t really see any compelling evidence in the film that would suggest he is.

    Why not just leave him as a non Force sensitive Resistance fighter? He doesn’t need to be a Force user in order to validate his character and I think it would come off a bit too forced (no pun intended) and convenient.

    • PhoenixRising

      The fact that he didn’t die instantly (and held his own) against Kylo is evidence enough. It’s at least enough of a hint that is left wide open for Rian Johnson to expand upon in Ep 8.

      • Bobby Sharp

        That’s shaky evidence, at best. Ren was injured and I would guess a bit muddled over what just occurred between him and his father. Finn was unhurt, probably more focused, and likely full of adrenaline. He’s also a trained warrior who probably had at least some cursory exposure to melee combat. And for all that, he still only lasted a few moments against Kylo Ren until he was seriously injured.

        • PhoenixRising

          What I’m saying is it’s enough “evidence” that if they chose to go that route in Ep 8, it would put that scene in a new light. Really, you cannot confirm or deny either way what actually happened, since we don’t know much about Finn yet. It could be Kylo was too injured (though I’d argue an injured dark side user is actually stronger, since they feed off negative energy), or that Finn had some force sensitivity that kept him from being killed instantly. Remember, he got his ass handed to him by a mere stormtrooper not long before that, and several scenes later he lasts even longer against a dangerous dark side user (and even got a hit in)? That’s a helluva learning curve! There are plenty of vague “hints” in the movie about Finn that could be read either way. If Finn does become force sensitive in 8, no one will say “I don’t believe that, nothing in Ep 7 hinted at it, it’s out of the blue”… they will say “of course he’s force sensitive, look at [insert scene in Ep 7], that was totally a hint”. If he turns out to be a regular guy, that scene will just be boiled down to Kylo’s injury allowing Finn to last as long as he did. That’s what I’m getting at.

          • Bobby Sharp

            Force users are hardly invincible. Jango Fett gave Obi-Wan Kenobi a bit of a run for his money in AOTC and survived to talk about it. Well, at least for a while. I just can’t get behind an idea that suggests that the only way Finn was able to fend off Kylo Ren for 45 seconds was that he has some latent Force potential. And as much as I loathed the character, General Grevious dispatched more than a few Jedi without using the Force at all.

            • PhoenixRising

              It doesn’t matter what you can get behind. What I’m saying is IF Finn becomes a force user, it will shed new light on that scene. Jedi going toe to toe with non force users doesn’t eliminate the possibility of Finn having the force. It’s just one possible circumstance that no one can confirm or deny yet.

              • Bobby Sharp

                “It doesn’t matter what you can get behind.” To me it does.

                Even if Finn ends up being Force sensitive, I’d be hard pressed to attribute his survival against Kylo Ren to some latent abilities he was unaware that he had. The fella is a highly trained solider who held his own against an injured foe for a few brief moments before getting seriously hurt. It’s that simple.

            • Ludovic Vinsonneau

              yeah you make a point. Grievous is a lizard alien specie and his body was heavily damaged and was cybernatically augmented. the reason why he coughs (always made me laugh). So i always thought that the fact he killed many experienced Jedi is because the high velocity of his 4-arms not with technicity. try to parry 4 sabers in a same movement lol

    • I might agree if the story didn’t lend itself to the idea of this story arc leading to a battle between the knights of ren and a small developing group of Jedi. It would be a waste to end this story arc with trying to rebuild the Jedi Order once again… I think it will end with an established Jedi Order, with a few new Jedi (perhaps a reformed Kylo Ren along side Rey Finn and Poe)

      • Bobby Sharp

        Perhaps. Although I don’t want to see a reformed Kylo Ren. I want turning Darth Vader back from the dark side to remain a one-off. Even so, it would be a bit tricky to have him reintegrated to the good side given the number of deaths he’s responsible for.

        I sort of kicked a similar question around regarding Vader. What would have happened had Anakin not died at the end of ROTJ? I doubt he could have just changed up his armor into something less threatening and gone about his life. I know one of the Infinities comics tackles this idea, but I never found it even remotely tenable. He’s still guilty of some absolutely atrocious crimes. What would his options have been?

        And he killed Han Solo. And while I’m in support of his death in advancing the story, he’s irreparably a villain in most folks’ eyes.

  • Gerardo Perez Fonseca

    He HAS to be a jedi, fix the mess that JJ made

    • Darth Necris

      What mess? I found the movie to be quite enjoyable. I’d personally put it on par with the original trilogy. Perhaps Jedi minus the Ewoks.

      • Gerardo Perez Fonseca

        Ojn par with the OT? Oh, my, the Millennials….

        • Darth Necris

          Nope, I’ve been a die hard Star Wars fan my whole life. I’m only 36, so I am not old enough to have seen them all in the theater when they were first released. I’m far from a millenial. Interesting you wait two weeks to reply to a post just to belittle somebody that doesn’t share your opinion. From looking at your posts, that is all you seem to do.

          I stand by my statement. I enjoyed the movie and in my opinion, there was no mess to fix. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, so forgive me if I don’t insult you for yours.

  • Mosley909

    Really hope they don’t make him a jedi, not everyone needs to be force senstive, think it would be far cooler seeing leading a revolt in the storm trooper ranks or something then just have another guy training to be a jedi.

  • The Force

    Wow, another “sucked it out of my fingers” “report” based on wishful thinking…Jumping to conclusions because someone is wearing a hat and a shirt to make himself look cool…? Seriously?! Hm, IMO, again it’s just JB playing cool dress-up. (He appeared at the premiere wearing a black leather glove didn’t he – wow what was that? Did it mean that he is going to get his hand cut off in the movie?! That he is a Skyywalker?! BS.) Also, I will be very angry if they make Finn a jedi or FS.

    • Protocol Droid

      Never knew The Force was so opinionated…

      • NYJD21

        It does impregnate human females without consent, so………

        • TUD

          I guess that’s why they call it the “Force”

          Rape jokes, I love ’em!

  • MaxboxOne

    He’s not force sensitive how can he be a Jedi?

    • Beat

      We don’t really know if he’s force sensitive or not. Also, you don’t have to be a Jedi to wield a lightsaber. (I think?)

      • Ghost of Obi Wan Kenobi

        True, very true. But unless you’re Han Solo using the saber to slice open a Taun Taun, a non-force-sensitive person wouldn’t really be carrying it around either.

        • Beat

          That’s true as well. I guess we’ll just have to wait for more info to find out.

        • Jacob Andrew Hollander

          General Grievous says hi.

      • MaxboxOne

        I know but it just seems kinda weird to have him be a Jedi too if Rey is already kinda the new main Jedi

        • Beat

          Well he could end up serving a different role than Rey. Rey could be the “classic” Jedi, and Finn could more of an unorthodox Jedi. Or one of them could turn to the dark side…

    • This video here makes me think he may be force sensitive and he will become a jedi. https://youtu.be/xyvIX1m7KdU

  • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

    If he’s not force sensitive (and no evidence suggests he is) then it just cheapens the Jedi further by having him running around with a lightsaber. Like if Obi-Wan ran around like Rambo with a blaster for all of III. It’s bad enough he was able to walk away alive from a duel with the Grandson of Darth Vader and the uber dark side user of his era.

    • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

      Really hope Chewbacca doesn’t use one like in the comics either.

    • Pinché Memo

      It’s implied that he helped wipe out Luke’s students, but nowhere is it implied he’s ever wiped out any Jedi, or even fought one. Remember, Kylo is basically a student as well…a schoolyard bully who’s never actually been in a real fight until he met Finn and Rey.

      • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

        I think its says in The Visual Guide and we do see him kill one on screen in the film and his nickname is Jedi Killer to boot. I think his varying power levels is something Johnson needs to adress in the next one. Is he a schoolyard bully or a true heir to Vader’s legacy? They couldn’t decide which in TFA.

        • Jacob Andrew Hollander

          The whole point is that Kylo is a villain in the making, not an instant badass out of the box. That worked with Vader because originally he was a secondary villain, just an enforcer. It wasn’t until The Empire Strikes Back that the character became something more.

          Kylo is certainly powerful when we meet him in TFA but he’s basically just arrogant and vastly overestimates his own abilities just like Anakin when he is first turned.but with the added difference that Kylo unlike his grandfather wasn’t already battle trained and tested to his limits. We don’t know anything about Rey’s past but I have no issue believing she’s more battle hardened and combat ready than Kylo Ren given her life as a scavenger on a harsh desert planet where she has to scale crashed assorted capital ships just to earn some food that’s barely fit for prison rations.

          • I agree.

            In the past, we’ve seen Darths as apprentices to Sidious who have had much training as Jedi or as Sith prior to taking on their enforcer/ soldier roles. As such, they’ve not only had experience in training but experience in facing formidable foes.

            Kylo lives in a galaxy where the only two people who could seriously cause him harm are Snoke and Luke Skywalker (and he’s in hiding). Kylo is aptly described as a school yard bully.

          • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

            Not really instant since he’s been on the dark side for at least a decade (maybe more) which is about as long as Vader had been in ANH.

            Unless Luke’s students were poorly trained (which I can’t see) or he killed them in their first week it seems like a huge contradiction and unless Rey is a Skywalker or has previous training by him then it will be hard to buy in future films.

          • ZOD

            Exactly. I’d add that Kylo’s internal conflict makes him a more interesting villain. He’s clearly unstable, while going down the dark path in an oddly deliberate way. He’s choosing to be evil and to resist the “pull to the light”. It’s an interesting twist on Luke’s own (continuing?) journey. It definitely made Han’s death even more cold-blooded and chilling.

        • NYJD21

          Neither could he decide, which is the point of his character. He himself seems unable to fully commit to the dark.

          • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

            He said that but the first thing we see him do is slaughter innocent unarmed villagers then kill his own Father and finally maiming Finn. Not to mention trying to murder his Mother on D’ar so he’s not as ambigious as they probably intended. Kind of like Dooku in II who came off as a heel from the get go.

            • NYJD21

              He doesn’t slaughter innocent villagers – he kills Tekka, then orders his stormtroopers to kill the villagers. FInn is an obvious one – he was a traitor and had the saber Ren thought should be his.

              • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

                He was still ultimately responsible though. Vader pretty much did the same thing on Tatooine albiet from a distance but no one was confused about which side of the force he was on. I wish they would have dropped the whole lightsaber quest subplot too since it just makes him seem like the spoilt entitled child who feels he is owned an inheritence just due to his last name which undermines his menace. I just hope he’s as much of a threat in VIII as Vader in Empire considering Snoke said he’d finish his training even if if that is more borrowing from V.

                • NYJD21

                  I don’t think he was entitled…..he was overcompensating.

                  • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

                    I guess the verdict is still out on that one since they kept his motivations pretty vague. They have a lot to cover with him in the next two which is the exact same mistake Lucas made too when he crammed all of Anakin’s fall into II and III.

                    • NYJD21

                      We know he can communicate those motivations.

                      I think most people agree AOTC should have been Ep. I, with Anakin set up in a romantic relationship by the end and thereby already going against Jedi principles. Could have easily explored a bit more in a Clone Wars movie as Ep. II. But Anakin was a bit more complex – he had Palpatine, the Jedi, Padme and the Clone Wars to put him in the pressure cooker – how that was rushed is so disappointing (I actually think Ep. III is the most ‘disappointing’ albeit the best of the prequels – it was the prequel we really wanted to see).

                      We only need to see why Kylo Ren turned – Rey’s journey is the focus. What’s more pressing is whether Kylo will have that Vader Redemption arc – that will be a lot to cover because it would likely require another character relationship develop between Kylo and Luke/Rey to be the anchor for that redemption. If they go that way, then they’re pressing time because of Rey/Luke/Finn character arcs and Snoke. If he’s irredeemable and is now the menacing villain, then they don’t need as much time to devote to him – just Kylo and Snoke’s relationship needs to be covered.

                    • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

                      Most complex of what we know of him so far, I think everyone would agree that Johnson is a far better writer than Abrams is or could ever be and why they punted his character development down the line. I think Disney saw how badly he botched Khan in Star Trek and decided to put his backstory in someone else’s hands. Lucas and Abrams are alike in being completely unable to write a proper mystery without plotholes galore.

                      Which they’ll have to do via Forceback unless the wild rumors are true about time travel which did not work at all in Crosscurrent and a novel I was glad to see decanonized. Then again, Driver is young enough and still affordable to do a prequel ST film or trilogy if they want to go that direction with the OT cast being able to look young via the Antman technology. There’s nothing that says future spinoffs can’t take place then as Rogue One and Han Solo are basically ANH prequels.

        • Pinché Memo

          We see him kill someone in a vision (Past? Future?), we can speculate as to whether or not that was a student of Luke’s. We can assume it was, but we really don’t know.

          Jacob hits the nail on the head in his comment, so I’ll go no further. Kylo was exactly as he needed to be, and he was fully realized and well written.

          • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

            I think it says in the novelization that it was the past but I haven’t read it yet so I don’t know.

            • Pinché Memo

              It doesn’t. In fact, the novel gives much less detail concerning that scene, not even mentioning Kylo Ren, and no mention of when.

              • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

                Even so the story group wouldn’t nickname “Jedi Killer” in the visual guide if he had not killed any and obviously most (if not all) of Luke’s students are dead by VII.

    • darrenkitlor

      Or there’s a switch in the power dynamic and Finn rescues Rey — it’s “poe”-try without the rhyming.

      • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

        I see what you did there.

  • General Kreeg

    If it was always planned that Finn is a lesser Force sensitive & Saber user. I’m all for it. But if its fan service I’m against it. So far it seems he’s not a FS. But why can’t an average guy use a Saber too but just not block gun fire or be as good as a Jedi or Sith. The Knights of Ren we don’t know if they are FS either & only Ren seems to use a Saber.

  • Akhibrass

    Why are so many people against him being force sensitive. It works if some semblance of the Jedi Order is to be rebuilt.

  • Ludovic Vinsonneau

    if you look how Finn fights Ren, he don’t make any complex or dangerous movement for himself. i mean, no twirlies like in PT and i am sure he can’t deflect a blaster shot. i always thought Jedis becoming in a combat trance when duelling, moving too fast for non-force users. in PT there was experienced duellists fighting each other. the duel between Windu and Palpatine is the best exemple IMO. Every movement is anticipated and calculated through the Force.

    • NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

      Exactly!

    • Dee

      I thought Finn was pretty reckless with the saber. He wield it with physically force.

      • Ludovic Vinsonneau

        yes it’s true. idk if as a non-trained Jedi i would had got the balls to draw a lightsaber in a combat. Finn even had the clever move to light off the saber when Ren threw him to the ground

        • NYJD21

          The Clone Wars canon says otherwise at a couple moments – a changing bounty hunter nearly bests Ahsoka in the Jedi library in one episode.

          • Ludovic Vinsonneau

            yeah you right. maybe if you ve learnt fencing you can deal with lightsaber idk. Ashoka was an early Padawan, no ? i don’t rember in what season it happens. Anyway i could deal with what they ll give to us… i hope

  • Lora

    There is other melee weapons in Star Wars universe other than Lightsaber.
    This news does not mean that he will use lightsaber in movie or that he is a force sensitive.

    As we know he will maybe use electro-tonga, electro-staff or some other melee weapon.

    • Akhibrass

      You can’t give that dude a lightsaber, have him use it twice, have him lose twice and not give him a second chance. So many fans are looking for him to get some sort of get back. I see him using a lightsaber. You don’t study fencing just to use a staff or tonga.

      • Dee

        When did John say that he is doing fencing?

      • Wouldn’t that be a third chance?

    • Are vibroblades just EU? If not, that could be a possibility too.

  • This video makes me think he may be force sensitive and become a jedi :) https://youtu.be/xyvIX1m7KdU

  • Tim Blad

    Ok, so now the storm trooper is possibly a Jedi still, but the mind reading ‘not really a Sith, Sith’ couldn’t sense this. Unlikely story, leave a message and I’ll call you back.

    They may do it, but it seems implausible to me.

    • Davis

      I think it would be a great new element in the lore if he is force-sensitive, but not a jedi. Why does everyone has to be a sith or a jedi? Im glad the knights of ren arent siths, the story really needs to expand there imo.
      I think its pretty stupid, that if you are a dark side user you have to be named darth and have to have a red lightsaber…

    • NYJD21

      It seems just as plausible that arrogant wannabe Sith would overlook a trooper, especially one that was working sanitation, as the arrogant Jedi couldn’t figure anything out living 5 feet away from a Sith Lord, and 2 Sith considering Maul was on Coruscant for a good amount of time.

  • Jacob Andrew Hollander

    Nice clickbait! I’m sure you need the hits, but this is pure conjecture and wishful thinking. Not only is there no evidence here that Boyega is even in fencing training here, there’s no evidence this photo has anything to do with Episode 8.

    Also I’m gonna go ahead and say there’s just no way Finn is even force sensitive, they do blood tests to check out these sort of things. So it’s unlikely that Finn grew up his entire life in the First Order and had force potential but the only thing he was ever in charge of on Starkiller Base was cleaning toilets, even more unlikely that he had force potential that managed to remain undetected even through the first film.

    Not to mention that him turning out to be force sensitive in Episode 8 and/or going through Jedi training would pretty much render all the character work in TFA obsolete, what’s great about this character is that he is just a low level stormtrooper on the run, pretty much a regular guy who decides to make a stand to the First Order and defies their leadership and makes them all look like fools.

    Also him going through Jedi training would make for a clunky story at best, clearly Rey is already going through training with Luke when the film opens while Finn has more than likely been on his own adventures, what is Finn just going to show up later on in the film and start Jedi training once Rey is ready to go off and put her training to use?

    I’m sure he’ll have a combat heavy role in Episode 8, and no doubt the First Order is coming after him, but his fight is with Captain Phasma no doubt. I would say it’s unlikely at best that he’s due for a rematch with Kylo Ren who he barely managed to survive less than a minute in combat with before and only because Chewie put a nice hole in him with his bowcaster.

    • darrenkitlor

      Look at the size of that reply. That’s no comment — that’s a monologue!

      • Jacob Andrew Hollander

        Well it’s in response to a lot of stupid comments here jumping the gun from the website’s bogus claim that Boyega is in Kendo training as of this photo to Finn totally becoming a Jedi which would be stupid for all kinds of reasons which I think was adequately broken down in my post. Way to respond with typical nonsense because anything more than a short blurb that says nothing of value is just awaste of time right guy?

    • J.C

      Hey Dumbo, it’s from one day ago. They are shooting the movie now. He’s in workout clothes and gloves used to train with wooden kendo swords. He training to use a lightsaber again.

      • Jacob Andrew Hollander

        Those are not Kendo training gloves. They are not even padded. >.>

    • TUD

      TL;DR

  • Here’s the question I’d like to pose to the community; Do you think Finn is force sensitive? Why or why not?

    • Ludovic Vinsonneau

      Hahaha !

      • What’s your theory? I’d like to know!

        • Ludovic Vinsonneau

          in fact i thought you were trolling sry. you should read the comments. but speaking for myself, i hope he’s force sensitive. because the fact he can use a lightsaber as a regular human is a little dumb and diminish the charism of Jedis

          But in the other hand, i don’t want too much force users either. I prefer him in Han solo-like acting. if they give him powers i see him falling to the dark side

          • No no… no troll. I love hearing fan theories. Star Wars is such a great thing to talk about and speculate about simply because of how rich the mythos is.

            I’ve skimmed through some of the comments… 111 comments (as of 10:00 AM MST 2/4/2016) is a little much for me to read through.

            As to your comments, I don’t know that his ability to wield the lightsaber necessarily diminishes the Jedi’s use of such a weapon. I think if Finn, as a non-force sensitive, was able to do things with the lightsaber that jedi and sith can do (i.e. reflect blaster bolts, absorb force attacks, etc.) that would diminish it.

          • Jacob Andrew Hollander

            Because General Grievous didn’t already do this. Because there aren’t other examples of bad guys in canon who are not force sensitive but use a lightsaber and use it very well. I’d say it’s incredibly dumb that a person would have to be force sensitive to even use a lightsaber but it’s an idea that some small amount of fans just won’t let die, not even for “big deal” over here. I guess Finn must have “used the force” to track down Captain Phasma on Starkiller Base.

  • Jacob Andrew Hollander

    I’ll play along that Finn goes to be trained at Luke’s Jedi Academy, but only if he’s a relatively poor student with a big attitude and Luke jokingly refers to him as “big deal”.

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