Fulfill Your Destiny: The Last Jedi Trailer Is Here!
The wait is over, the full trailer for The Last Jedi is here! We will do a full breakdown/speculation piece later, but for now here is the trailer, the theatrical poster we showed you earlier, and a historical trailer perspective to keep in mind!
THE LAST JEDI TRAILER:
THE LAST JEDI THEATRICAL POSTER:
The tone of this poster is clearly dark, as expected with the second part of a trilogy (or three act story), and it is continuing the recurring red color theme as well.
KEEP IN MIND THE POTENTIAL FOR MISDIRECTION
We should remember that the full trailer for The Force Awakens had a lot of misdirection in addition to dialogue that wound up not being used in the film. As a refresher here is a list of what we saw in The Force Awakens trailer that was either blatant misdirection or simply not included in the final version of the film:
- Both series of dialogue that started and ended the trailer were not included in the film, between Maz Kanata and Rey:
- Maz Kanata’s dialogue to Rey to start the trailer: “Who are you?”, with Rey’s response, “I’m no one.”
- Maz’s final line of the trailer: “The Force, it’s calling to you…just let it in.”
- Han Solo saying “the Jedi” over a panning shot of Finn and Finn alone, inferring he would become the next Jedi, which was an obvious red herring that turned out to be inaccurate.
- Maz Kanata handing the Skywalker lightsaber to Leia, also not in the film.
The only reason I am bringing this up is to remind you that while this time around the trailer may very well be be more on target and at face-value, we could be witnessing some more misdirection.
What did you think of the trailer? Do you think there is some misdirection like the one for The Force Awakens? We are a little over two months away from the release of The Last Jedi, be sure to get your tickets which will be going on sale now, and we look forward to continuing the discussion about this trailer and the film itself in the final days before its release!
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Well that was everything I could have hoped for. If you asked me to make a trailer based on my wants… that would have been it. Super excited.
yaaaas. bathrobe snoke confirmed!!! oh and possibly Reylo. but bathrobe snoke!!!
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kylo putting his hand out is for sure gonna be to luke or mummy, rey is of to the dark side, kylo is coming back, he already got beat by a very angry girl what better way to beat her than coming back to the light
Not sure what to make of this. It was different…..need to watch 10 more times to figure out if I like it. LOL.
I also loved that Luke himself made mention of that raw power. Awesome.
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I love it!
No HD trailer?
So loved that they still have AT-ATs in the assault… gives a great scale to the AT-M9s.
First thing I noticed….those are AT-ATs in the mix!
THIS is a trailer. Easily beats TFA’s in that it reveals quite a bit. I loved the thematic tone of identity. Whether it be Rey’s own issues or Kylo hesitating to possibly shoot and kill his mother.
And man, the cinematography is gorgeous. Overall, call me excited. Well, done LF, RJ. I will be there opening night more so than ever. 🙂
The shots of Kylo considering killing Leia is definitely misdirection via editing.
I can see that, but really it still fits with Kylo and his dilemma. And given how he was my favorite character in TFA, I am glad this movie is addressing that.
I don’t know about that… he literally flew inside her cruiser and was point blank aiming at the command deck.
She Gone!
She Gone!
yes I think so. The crew behind her are walking around like nothing much is going on, rather than their ship is on fire.
She’s the only one that can sense him targeting her.
Yeah that’s my guess too. They look like they are preparing to make the jump. IE… sure we took some hits but we’re alright. Not knowing the kill shot is waiting right there.
At least that fleet look like it was hit unaware given Poe’s reaction and what not. Probably on the run.
I thought so too. She’s feels his conflict and that this might be the last moments of her life.
Maybe. But here is what Rian Johnson had to say:
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/star-wars-the-last-jedi-director-says-you-should-c/1100-6453878/
Only months away till December; should be very worth it. Can’t wait! ^_^
Same here, too bad Mr. Red Fox isn’t and is only planning to watch it when it’s on TV because he’s done with the sequel trilogy after TFA (he’ll only watch the side stories like Rogue One).
Does Luke have Sith eyes???
YES! My god YES!!!!! Screw my username at this point.
I dont know what to think… the only things im thinking is 1: they show too much … 2: didnt like rey and kylo ren, i know it was on several leaks but please dont become like anakin and padme
Well they’re are already infinitely more likable. Yes even Kylo 😛
Finn fighting Phasma…showing that was too much.
and rey and kylo ren teaming , also kylo ren about to kill leia when she is crealy at the end at crait, snoke torturing rey
I dunno. I felt it was their little nod to… we are correcting our mistakes with TFA. IE many fans thought Phasma should have fought Finn instead of a random trooper.
Really wondering who luke is talking about…porg made me smile. Poe’s speech got me pumped, Exited what Serkis is doing with Snoke, Hamill is gonna be amazing in this, Daisy will be even better, …..i cannot wait
they seemed to be implying that he was talking about kylo, but i was thinking vader or palps.
I think he meant Kylo. But, caution, I feel this trailer was edited to misdirect us from knowing true character intentions.
maybe, but it seems like rey already is stronger than kylo. besides, vader was the chosen one and palps was a sith master. i think either would be stronger than kylo as well.
Luke looks a bit crazy? Still hard to imagine he’ll be igniting the green and doing much damage.
LOOKS JUST LIKE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK! WE ALL SAID THEY WERE JUST GOING TO REBOOT THE OT TRILOGY ONE MOVIE BY ONE.
WHERES THE ORIGINAL CONTENT?
*Mic drop*
wait for it… 😉
wait for it… 😉
This looks absolutely nothing like Empire.
Agreed…this looks much darker. I believe this could be a brilliant subversion of the “Mentor teaches student” cliche.
It seems that luke after trainging her, decides to stop after he realises he could create another kylo ren.
Up your ass.
Umm… you dropped your mic.
Very cool trailer, some great shots in there. Kylos thumb hovering over the fire button O_o
Who won the fooseball game?
No. Everyone who watched and the teams involved are all the more losers for it.
Semi serious side note it was a pretty pathetic game. These two teams will come nowhere close to the super bowl. I didn’t even care about football and it was obvious.
It was hilarious to watch tough.
lol 3 to 2… an epic battle of failed attempts!
That ball dropped more times than my GPA!
The Super Bowl will be in Minneapolis this season, so the Vikings at least will come close… from a certain point of view.
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He means handegg.
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A couple of thoughts on the trailer.
1.) It’s funny how Kylo’s shattered helmet doesn’t indicate a fallout with Snoke like some suggested but just another fit of rage. We SW fans really like to read too much into things.
2.) Kylo looks like he is going for a double parenticide and Adam Driver is a fantastic actor
3.) I was wrong about the crystal foxes. They look amazing in action! I am also glad to see some CGI creatures rather than only humanoid aliens.
4.) Crait looks refreshingly alien with all the red crystalls and stuff. Love it.
5.) The Porg is a fantastic animatronic but the design still looks too simplistic for my taste.
A couple of thoughts on the trailer.
1.) It’s funny how Kylo’s shattered helmet doesn’t indicate a fallout with Snoke like some suggested but just another fit of rage. We SW fans really like to read too much into things.
2.) Kylo looks like he is going for a double parenticide and Adam Driver is a fantastic actor
3.) I was wrong about the crystal foxes. They look amazing in action! I am also glad to see some CGI creatures rather than only humanoid aliens.
4.) Crait looks refreshingly alien with all the red crystalls and stuff. Love it.
5.) The Porg is a fantastic animatronic but the design still looks too simplistic for my taste.
And Chewbacca looks the WORST he has ever looked in a SW film.
I do not often agree with you and would not have phrased it as you did, but I also felt that Chewie looked a bit strange –
CGIy (if this is the correct term).
Diggin’ how that first Shot of Ren is a little reminiscent of young Luke & Leia on the medical ship in ESB.
Leia’s Mon Cal cruiser definitely blows up. The shot with the ovoid looking craft that has Poe pressed against a view port appears to be a swarm of escape pods.
reckon so. Wasn’t there a leak about a year ago which alleged a scene where Leia tells Poe Dameron that him and his squadron are all that’s left of the resistance?
And since Fisher is no longer with us… could Leia die in TLJ? 🙁
My theroy is tha tthis will be a complete and brilliant subversion of the “Mentor trains student cliche” It seems like luke trains her at first, then realises how much power she has and doesnt want to risk creating another kylo ren. Thats as much that i can gather right now.
I wasn’t overwhelmed, but I’m sure the movie won’t disappoint. I was however hoping to see Hux, Rose and Paige in this trailer, but was happy we got some Luke dialogue- the first in 34 years.
yeah i thought so much waiting too see him acting in trailers
Rose is terrible though, seriously, every scene she is in is pathetic.
Why are you posting? Just don’t go see the movie.
what does she say in her scenes that make her scenes terrible?
That’s a very strange thing to say at this point. Maybe you’re thinking of Rose from Titanic.
You….you haven’t seen any of the scenes she’s in.
We got some Luke dialogue in the TFA trailer, too (even if it was cut from the movie, eventually)
DISNEY JUST RESHASHING THE OT!
WHERE IS NEW ORIGINAL STAR WARS FILMS!?
THIS FORUM CALLED IT MONTHS AGO. ANOTHER REBOOT.
“Sigh” How is this in any way like ESB BESIDE it being darker. (And i belive it will be VERY dark compaerd to TFA)
The battle against the AT-AT expies, Rey’s training with Luke, Rose as the Lando expy, and the hinted plot twist.
Rose is a gambling hustler?
Not really, but she does fill in the gap for Lando’s role like how Han Solo filled in the gap for Ben Kenobi’s role.
Great. Now the person who would’ve had the unfortunate experience of sitting next to you for 2 1/2 hours in the movie theater will be able to enjoy themselves since you won’t be there bitching about it since you obviously know the entire plot of the film after watching a trailer.
these replies are so great, great job AI. 🙂
I think Snoke is talking to Rey at the begining of this trailer. and I think Rey is talking to Luke at the end, the backgrounds are different …there is no way she is going to team up with Kylo after he killed Han Solo..she isnt going to turn against Finn and Chewy…
No way this Anakin kid is gonna join this old creepy palpatine dude who was basicly responsable for killing every friend he had
i am a little disappointed that we still haven’t seen the knights of ren in action, but seeing kylo flying about was awesome. i hope we get a dog fight between him and poe.
Knights of ren are either 2 things.
1. Part of Kylo rens past, and now dead.
2. OR they were part of a future vision, and will be in 9 / 8
we know knights are a current thing, i think snoke mentioned them in TFA.
That mention could be seen as they are dead, and hes the last one. OR they are still alive and he is still the leader. (Though why wouldnt we have seen them then?)
that is the million dollar question.
The Knights of Ren are in the present and will be defeated by Luke on Ahch-to.
Could the Knights of Ren now be the Praetorian Guard?
Maybe Kylo has a split personality and the Knites of Ren are his other inner voices, thus making him Kylo Ren, the leader of these voices … ?
I like everything except the Porg shot & the part where Kylo hesistates killing his mom (probably misdirection).
Snoke looks awesome.
I like everything except the Porg shot & the part where Kylo hesistates killing his mom (probably misdirection).
Snoke looks awesome.
YES. Snoke does look awesome. I had doubts but I love it!
I dislike the visuals of the Porgs so much I even did a redesign 😛
One other thing I really like is that opening shot… anyone notice the Huge walkers being loaded?
Yeah, and Snoke is looking much more human than in Ep7.
The porg in the trailer sounds just like my plush toy porg!!! I mean my kids’
Not a big fan of the ST here. I felt it was OK. Not as good as the Ep. 7 trailer though. The music in particular did nothing for me ~ seemed very generic, trailer music-wise. Visually, it was OK. Not great, but OK.
What did Luke say at 0:56?
“it didn’t scare me enough then… it does now.”
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I feel like it’s sci-fi stitches.
Hey guys did any of you put the CGI scar over that tracking marker we put on Adam’s face? What do you mean Frank couldn’t do it on time? Ah f*ck it we’re gonna release the trailer anyway?
Bacta tape?
I’m really glad that RJ chose not to go with that goofy large scar in TFA. Because, just from this trailer, Kylo’s scars are beyond skin deep and exist psychologically. And I love that stuff.
Yeahhhhhhh but. But.
It says something that he was wearing a mask but he wasn’t hiding disfigurement like Vader was. And yes, I know, Vader had to have the mask on to live but still. There was a horror beneath the mask.
So when you see Kylo for the first time, and know he chose to wear the mask without any scars or need, it says a lot more when he receives a wound that would require concealment, even if for the sake of vanity.
I can see your point. Kylo’s scars being more emotional and spiritual actually reminded me a lot of Dr. Doom in the early days of Marvel comics. Ironic, given how Doom, along with many other influences, helped create Darth Vader. But I digress.
But the design of the scar I just saw as really dumb and quite honestly I would have found that a boring excuse for TLJ to have him now have a justification to wear a mask. And besides, I like Kylo not having a mask because it represents how he is trying to not live in Vader’s shadow.
That he himself is going to forge his own path. The irony being that the scar he did attain is akin to Anakin’s own scar in ROTS. But hey, that is just me. And really, to be honest; I hated Kylo’s mask.
Unless, it had the hood. It reminded me a lot of Revan’s mask. 🙂
It is character development, I’ll give you that.
Actually Johnson & Johnson is going to reveal it as a new item for their 2018 line of Band-Aids!
Listening to what Luke said… He could literally mean he’s seen THIS power once before. He didn’t fear it then but he does NOW.
Maybe Rey is literally that power… both times. Maybe she brought down the temple in self defense during the attack?
Which is why he abandoned her :O that would be amazing!
Right.
If Luke saw her destroy the Temple and is the one who abandoned her, why would you say he didn’t fear her power then? It sounds to me like the actions of a man who is scared…
She was abandoned, before the temple was brought down, though.
i wonder if he met snoke earlier, and didn’t believe he was a threat until it was too late.
Adam Driver’s gonna steal this film. Really appreciate how much he’s putting into this.
I’ve had this sense that Adam Driver’s performance will be the highlight of this movie, and Carrie Fisher will also be surprising — a great final performance by her.
Such a poetic flip on the Luke/Vader relationship. Love how fearless she is when she senses him targeting her.
I think they did outstanding casting for this trilogy. The acting is very impressive to me.
I might have liked the PT better if the casting had been different. I don’t think they were necessarily bad actors, but it was just poor casting. Portman did not making a convincing “senator”, and Hayden C. was miscast as AS. That, and Lucas can’t write dialogue very well.
Hayden was horrid as Anakin. I will NEVER look at Darth Vader and see Anakin inside that suit.
Hayden was the perfect Anakin actually, exactly what Lucas had in mind, you may not like it, but you could not have a better Anakin, you and some people have a misconception of what anakin should be.
And btw, I find really cool thinkin Anakin is inside the mask when I see Vader, that makes the character deeper.
Adam Driver really impressed me with Kylo Ren. While I had issues with him being the main antagonist, he is the only new character I found myself liking. He was Anakin done right.
And really, I argue a lot of the gripes come from the mystery boxing we got in TFA. This Kylo seems really good. I loved the smashing the mask part as it is symbolic of him moving forward. But also seeing the turmoil as well was refreshing.
So yeah, Adam Driver I am looking forward to seeing again.
NAILED IT — Kylo is everything Anakin should have been.
Completely different characters and aproaches, anakin was a teenager, 19 year old, immature, childish, and reckless,very different goals in his life, Kylo is 29/30, a bit (just a bit) more mature, and trying to be dark sider like his grandpa. They share a lot, yes, both are unpredictable and immature, but the age change a lot of things, anakin´s age. maybe Anakin could be a lit bit like him when he had Kylos age, who knows, but maybe some day you will understand, the difference.
Maybe part of the creation of Kylo was imagining how Anakin could be in his 29/30, this makes sense.
Completely different characters and aproaches, anakin was a teenager, 19 year old, immature, childish, and reckless,very different goals in his life, Kylo is 29/30, a bit (just a bit) more mature, and trying to be dark sider like his grandpa. They share a lot, yes, both are unpredictable and immature, but the age change a lot of things, anakin´s age. maybe Anakin could be a lit bit like him when he had Kylos age, who knows, but maybe some day you will understand, the difference.
Maybe part of the creation of Kylo was imagining how Anakin could be in his 29/30, this makes sense.
I cant express how much I loved Driver’s performance in TFA. People complained so much about Ren being a whiney brat, but that’s a testament to why he’s dangerous. Insecure, unpredictable, immature, easily influenced. And Driver is SUPERB in his portrayal.
I swear I will be the happiest person if Snoke ends up being Plaguies. And btw I am not saying he will or he is. So dont go all crazy. Its just a personal thing I would like to see. I know he probably wont but I am just throwing that out there.
snoke is snoke confirmed.
Pablo from Lucasfilm has been firm that Snoke is NOT Plaguies. He has been firm that there are no “sith” in this trilogy. I believe his quote was “Snoke is not a Darth”. Just don’t want you to be disappointed.
No one making these movies cares about freaking Darth Plagueis or any of the other prequel crap.
Darth Vegas? Like Las Vegas?
So Snoke gives the standard ‘fulfill your destiny’ speech which (at least in Palpatine’s mouth) always meant ‘OK, it’s time for you to turn to the dark side now’. And Rey is on her back screaming in utter agony. Why? Is she actually being Force-tormented or has she just found out something absolutely devastating, right up there with Luke’s “I am your father” moment?
And then she SEEMINGLY takes Kylo as her teacher, or do the scenes with her and him really belong together?
They are definitely teasing that Rey will go dark, or at least very deeply grey, but how much of this is misdirection by juxtaposing unrelated scenes? If this is what happens, would they give away such a MAJOR plot point in the trailer?
Yes. They would. Since everyone has been crying like babies that this movie is an ESB rehash BECAUSE WALKERS ON A WHITE SURFACE OMG.
I never got that compliant and really saw it as people seeing the trees rather than the forest. I hate to be smug, but Rian Johnson would have never recreated ESB. He knows how important that movie is.
This movie very much seems like it is taking the best aspects of ESB, more personal stakes, darker tone and juxtaposing it with the concept of a war and the theme of identity which is awesome.
Reminds me a lot of Kung Fu Panda 2 with Po.
Luke is talking about his encounter with Palpatine when he says he saw raw strength only once like that before.
What about Kylo?
Or Kylo or Vader or Walrus Man.
It’s definitely Walrus Man.
Referred to it as raw power, Palpatine wasn’t raw. He said it didn’t scare him, but he is scared of Reys power. And probably refuses to train her. Seems to be talking about Ben.
Watch it again. Luke says “raw strength.”
I just don’t think Luke would say the Emperor “didn’t scare me enough then.” That implies he should have done something about it, but didn’t. How would that apply to the Emperor, who he only encountered once and that ended in the Emperor’s death? Of course there’s always the possibility those two lines don’t even go together in the film.
My impression is that Luke said “didn’t scare me enough” because he continued to be a Jedi and train others after his encounter with Palpatine. But he is now reluctant encountering this “raw strength” again. I think this ties in with the “The Jedi must end” statement somehow.
That’s an interesting take on it.
I don’t understand what it is yet — but Rian-Johnson-footage is just not looking “quite right”. There is an ARTIFICIALITY to this footage, something about the Camera Angle’s and the colors — its doesn’t look as authentic as TFA did, and I can’t quite yet explain why…….
I’m not saying it’s Aliens… but it’s Aliens.
Less actual locations were used (people didn’t want another desert planet) so they used CGI. It’s that simple. The less you can capture in reality the less realistic it’s going to look like.
Crait was a real location, just enhanced with CGI.
I’m not a big CGI fan either. I thought JJ Abrams had the right balance. Still think I will like the movie, though.
The lake surface maybe but there are tons of CGI backdrops and the cryst
al cavern surely isn’t a real location.
You are 100% correct. A bit much for my taste, but I’m not going whine about it.
The CGI looks bad.
That’s the cinematography of Steve Yedlin as opposed to Dan Mindel. Hard lighting (Yedlin) vs. soft (Mindel). Yedlin’s white balance seems warmer too.
Teach me more here.
Teach me more here.
First, wax my cars.
So which fellow did TFA ?
Mindel
Why on earth did they replace him ?
Directors and their DPs often stick together.
I have a bad feeling about this.
Could just be gas.
Could just be gas.
The footage looks BAD tho — the camera angles — that overhead shot of the Stormtroopers looks more like something out of the Wizard of Oz. BAD.
I will say this — there’s seemingly more blatant CGI than I expected to see. Definitely missing J.J.’s push of practical effects.
Actually compared to TFA it looks much better. More mature. TFA looked like a marvel movie.
Actually compared to TFA it looks much better. More mature. TFA looked like a marvel movie.
I don’t think I agree overall, but that one shot of Rey swinging her lightsaber and stopping just before hitting the rock looks very odd to me. Could be just a weird edit, but it looks like they may have manipulated the speed or put in a few still image frames at the moment she stops. Something’s not right.
Go watch the moment Rey turns on her lightsaber — it looks like a Fan-Film almost.
I agree.
MUCH BETTER than the teaser! Now I’m excited for TLJ!
My Thoughts: Initial reaction was honest to god confusion. Thought I’d get the SW feels like with TFA, but upon second thinking realized I shouldn’t have expected that at all. I’m glad this trailer left me wondering. It’s the first time in awhile that a SW film is going to feel like a real mystery. On the content, beautifully shot, my boy Luke is awesome! All morning I had fantasies of a final shot of him busting out a green saber to fight a handful of knights of Ren but that’s ok. There was a LOOOOOOT of misdirect in this. Considering Rian knows how much star wars means to himself and a lot of people, I wouldn’t put it past his tweets to be part of the campaign. Watching this they clearly wanted you to think one thing… but knowing him there’s no way in hell its that clear cut.
On theories: I don’t think this confirms or denies any real theories. The only one that I think can be given more weight is one I had after TFA and one I think others have had which is that Snoke drains the Force energy from other Force Sensitives. We know from the OT and PT that holograms are pretty solid, you never see a hologram of Obi-Wan in the PT or Palpatine missing chunks of flesh or anything like that. Snoke was clearly more deformed in TFA as opposed to how he looks now. I don’t know what his backstory is… but if they’re mining from Old Republic and the EU (and also taking into account the old early leaks of titles like “An Ancient Terror”), considering he stated he has seen the Rise and Fall of both the Republic as well as the Empire I could see him being an ancient Dark Side user who strove for immortality (which plays into the greatest scene of the PT between Palpatine and Anakin) of the flesh as opposed to being a Force ghost. How he was deformed (we’ve been told he used to be handsome) and why he fled to or originated in the unknown regions I’m not sure. But I imagine he was slowly draining small amounts of Force energy for a LONG time to heal himself before making his presence known to the first order. It’s possible he had Kylo massacre the new Jedi Order so that he could absorb their strength but didn’t get back to full health because Luke wasn’t there which could explain why he is so desperate to find him. After the massacre there are no sith (just Snoke and Ben) and only 1 Jedi (Luke). Considering Snoke thinks that Kylo is his trained soldier, he woudln’t want to get rid of that unit, so he needs the Last Jedi which could be Luke or Rey considering how much untapped power she posseses to bring himself back up to 100%. If it’s Luke, he kills 2 birds with one stone and becomes fully healed while eliminating his greatest threat in addition to either gaining a new apprentice in Rey or just killing her. If it’s Rey, he gets to be 100%, and can face Luke with full strength along with the full might of the First Order and his apprentice Kylo.
tl;dr Trailer was bomb. Left feeling more confused if anything which is exciting. Considering how much Snoke has healed since last film I have a feeling he drains Force Energy from Force Sensitives and needs either Luke or Rey to get back to 100% (i.e. Voldemort in Goblet of Fire)
I feel like I could watch this trailer 100 times and not spoil the movie!
Ok so I’m rewatching this a few times. Duh. Now I’m starting to see the red herring with Kylo/Rey. Rey could easily be chilling with Luke at a camp fire.
Ren is clearly in a place that’s falling apart. Maybe he actually went inside to save his mother?
To be clear I’m saying the background rocks(?) behind Rey seem chill. As does the glow to her face. Kylo’s cut has a pulsing light source on his face and more obvious chaos in the background.
Agreed. I thought the scene looked very convincing at first, but in later viewings it looked like the shot of Rey had much more of a yellow cast, where the shot of Kylo has a more orange-ish light. It also sounds like Rey is in a small and “echo-ey” space when she speaks (like a cave or small, bare room), but not like she’s in a big cavern.
Look closely at the hangar shot on the red crystal planet just after the foxes. Looks like Luke leaves the island after all. I really hope he does something besides look like a crazy homeless person in this.
I see Leia in her awesome robes both times?
And he is standing there as while gigantic “door” of the base is closing so this means that he is probably there during the battle since the door is probably closing as the AT-AT’s on steroids are approaching.
Hmm, I wonder if the movie ends on a cliffhanger with Rey in Snoke’s clutches.
Hmm, I wonder if the movie ends on a cliffhanger with Rey in Snoke’s clutches.
I wondered that as well. I remember that X-Men: Apocalypse showed the final scene/line of the movie in the trailer (you’re X-Men now). What a cliffhanger if the camera zooms out on Rey getting tortured. Surely not?!?!
This was one of the only things I didn’t love about the Force Awakens; that it wasn’t all wrapped up at the end like a New Hope was. But I would be perfectly fine with this episode leaving things unfinished.
Now if episode 9 is a cliff hanger, which JJ is notorious for, I will be upset.
I think Kylo will reedem himself, there is obviously still good in him, but I also think him and Rey will switch sides at the end of ep 8, and in ep 9, Ben and Luke will go after Snoke and Rey
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If the theory turns out to be true that Rey is the result of a secret Imperial project on Jaaku (which is why the last of the Imperial fleet retreated to that planet for their final battle against the restored Republic), then her turning dark, at least for a significant moment, would be plausible.
Also, Snoke could be talking about Rey, not Kylo
That would indeed be the twist. I don’t know how that would sit with Kathleen Kennedy though, with her big push for girl-power and female role models. Having all the females go bad or not survive the series wouldn’t be her style. And we know what happens when she doesn’t get her style.
If it turns out that Rey was Palpatine’s rumored “last contingency” plan, but Rey manages to break free from this in Episode IX, that would be “self-actualization” and “girl empowerment” right there, it could be argued.
That’s true. That would indeed be pretty cool. I just don’t see Rey going evil permanently. Briefly maybe.
How about Kylo is redeemed by his mother, Kylo Joins Luke to pursue Rey, who has fallen to the Dark Side – and Kylo ends up redeeming his sister Rey, who is the one to vanish Snoke. Fits in with the Lucas idea of things rhyming.
If the movie did that, I would have to commend RJ and LF because that is ballsy and shatters everything one would come to expect of SWs in movie form. But I agree with fizznick that I am skeptical if KK would even allow it.
Still, this trailer was fantastic and really rewarded my faith in RJ. This is and ESB could be any different.
God I hope not. They’ve built us up to love Rey and hate Kylo. That would be too much to ask of fans to turn on a dime like that.
God I hope not. They’ve built us up to love Rey and hate Kylo. That would be too much to ask of fans to turn on a dime like that.
Yes, that’s ehat we need, a goodie turning to the dark side. Mark toyed with the idea years ago, maybe now they will…. do it!
Hope they’ve been careful about this, and that the main characters aren’t too ambiguous in their motives. That makes it hard to have someone to root for.
So you’re saying you don’t want complex characters and motivations? My God, the first time Star Wars is in the hands of someone who can bring some needed complexity you get cold feet. Relax and enjoy some fresh air.
Ok let me lay out my little theory here.
Poe is looking out at the destruction of a larger ship from those sleek pods which are ejection pods from it. I’m guessing the capitol ship Leia is on. That’s why he looks so distressed. He thinks he losing Leia. We know from other trailers Poe wasn’t able to escape in his X-wing.
The scene with Kylo/Rey is a red herring. I now believe Kylo goes inside the ship and offers his hand to his mother… look at his background. Seems like a ship falling apart. Rey’s is rather calm in comparison. Looks like carved rocks to me. She could be talking to Luke in that scene.
I reposted this idea because I had it sloppy as all get out before.
Totally what I see too.
I’m so glad I wasn’t the only one to notice that. I agree completely. I think it’s the scene where she finally convinces Luke to start teaching her.
I agree. Misdirection by Mr. Johnson. Very clever, though. Gives fans something to speculate over the next two months.
Everything I wanted it to be.
I like Rian Johnson. He has layers.
If Looper is an indicator, yes he does. Because, he gets characters and how to tie thematic elements. SWs, at its best always got this right as with ESB and even ROTJ. TFA was a pilot, but if it means that we got this, I will happily revise my view somewhat.
And really, this movie definitely isn’t pulling a TFA. It is a lot moodier with its atmosphere and clearly is keeping everything so personal, while extrapolating on the theme of identity which is great.
^ Calm your pants. Thats WAY too fanboy hype-level for the little we’ve seen here. We still don’t know much at all. “It’s moodier” “It’s darker” etc etc. There’s no way to tell until we’ve seen the film.
^ Calm your pants. Thats WAY too fanboy hype-level for the little we’ve seen here. We still don’t know much at all. “It’s moodier” “It’s darker” etc etc. There’s no way to tell until we’ve seen the film.
I am calm. And really, I can confidently say this because I am a Rian Johnson fan. I always have been. And even if the movie isn’t really all that dark, if he does a good job on the characters, I do not care. Because, even if TLJ may end up being my least favorite film, I will like him as a director.
Lol… Obviously you don’t have force powers we do, see the future we can!!
Lol… Obviously you don’t have force powers we do, see the future we can!!
Loved Looper, one of those rare beasts that get better with each subsequent viewings.
Agreed. And I have a hunch this movie is one of those films that if done well, will get better after each viewing. And truly, will be something very special. Already, the production value looks better than TFA and the storyline itself seems great. As well as the dialogue.
I sound like a broken record, but to me TFA’s dialogue I genuinely did not enjoy. And Rian Johnson, as we’ve seen with Looper, can craft some amazing lines, in relations to characters.
Yeah, I have a feeling The Last Jedi will also be that kind of movie.
I don’t agree with you on TFA. Have seen it 7 times, and will watch it an 8th time the night before seeing The Last Jedi. I feel it got a lot more things right that made me overlook its evident flaws.
I have seen TFA multiple times and for me it gets worse and worse. Really, only the first two thirds I enjoy, with the third act being what kills it. Though, the ending scene with Luke was nice.
I just find it a bland, Mystery Box movie that is more setup then an actual film. It took the worst elements from the MCU and intergrated them and to me is diet Fellowship. Maybe, my view will change after seeing TLJ. But really, this movie seems right up my alley, like RO.
But to be fair, I find that RJ is a much better director than Abrams in that he understands characters and the craft of writing dialogue and having that interwoven with characters.
Old skool AT ST walkers spotted in that first order Hangar shot
Must me Snoke’s massive ship. That hanger would have to be huge. Racks of AT-ATs. Good eye too. I was so enamored by the AT-ATs I missed the classic AT-STs.
There are classic AT-ATs in the TLJ too. The poster handed out at TRU on Force Friday even shows one next to the much larger gorilla walkers.
Looks far superior to Force Remakens.
That’s a porn parody you picked up in Chinatown.
You mean “A Farce Remakened” Cmon….get with it.
I’m trying bub, I’m tryin’!
Yeah. Everyone really hated that piece of crap.
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Did I say it was a “piece of crap” in my post?
I think you need to engage brain before getting all pissy.
So you called it, “The Farce Awakens,” and “The Force Remakens” but didn’t think it was a bad movie? OK.
I think it is entertaining. I also think it is highly unoriginal. I don’t think it is befitting of the saga as a whole any more than the prequels are because of it’s much talked about remake value, but I don’t consider it a “piece of shit” as you not so eloquently put it.
Face it, you are so busy trying to take on the internet’s haters that you couldn’t fathom that someone out there might have a mixed opinion.
Calling a film a “farce” is not a mixed opinion. I’m not sure if you’re clear on the definition of the word, but it comes across as an entirely negative characterization.
I think it is you that is not clear of the definition of the word. Farce as in farcical nature of the rehashing.
I’ve just told you what my actual opinion is of the movie but it seems you are intent being a douchebag and winning the internet. Knock yourself out.
Farce: a mockery, travesty, absurdity, sham, pretense, masquerade, charade, joke, waste of time. That’s what it means. That’s what everyone thinks of when they think of the word “farce” to describe something.
I know that your reaction was mixed. I was explaining why someone might not think that based on what you had said previously about it, because there is no ambiguity in calling something a farce.
All of a sudden we are to believe in the almighty final word of rotten tomatoes. Back when TPM came out it was roughly 70% fresh.
TPM got decidedly mixed reviews. I remember reading them in disbelief. Then I saw the movie. Jar Jar was hated, there were accusations of racism. Gene Shalit and Richard Corliss trashed it. The reaction to TFA was decidedly different. 346 positive reviews against 28 negative.
True AF
Yes we did
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Wow, based on a staggering 6,400 user ratings. Well, that’s a lot more convincing than RT’s 223,000 audience score of 89%, or imdb’s 8.1 user rating from 688,000 users.
Get some integrity. You lack it in spades.
Says a guy with a Sean Hannity avatar. lol.
I love it when someone is clueless and fails to look closely at said avatar. Makes you look even sillier.
In your arrogance you assume I would care to look closer. How narcissistic.
Doesn’t discount the fact that you think I rock Hannity because I love him, and you made an incredibly stupid mistake because you’re incredibly unobservant.
If you would like examples of arrogance, read your own post history.
It’s arrogant of me to think that people will look at an avatar before commenting on it. Yes. You continue to prove yourself an imbecile without much effort or help from me.
Disappointing, really.
This is twice you have replied to the same post with little more than insults. You got no reply the first time so you figured you’d try again, eh?
Are you so obtuse to actually think your playground level insults are actually going to bother me, or anyone else for that matter?
That you felt the need to try again after two days despite clearly not grasping why I never bothered to respond to you the first time is, some might say, rather imbecilic! 😉 Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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Don’t waste your time responding with more five year old insults. I’m sure your time is better spent trolling someone elsewhere who might actually bite.
Bye bye. 🙂
Some got moderated.
Why are you still hassling me? Leave me alone troll.
Oh please Turd. I’m hassling you? To stop my responding to your comments, you stop responding to mine. See how that works? You continue to reply, it’s only fair that I do.
Especially when you do it such a juvenile way, son.
I did stop responding to your comments, remember? That wasn’t good enough for you so you came back two days later with a second reply to my last comment that was again littered with insults and clearly looking for a reaction and trying to stir up trouble.
Leave me alone troll.
Wow. Are you reading what you’re writing? I came back two days later because I was busy during the interim. There’s no time limit I have in having to respond to your message. I’m not trying to stir up trouble. What happened is this; I commented on your opinion with one of mine. You couldn’t offer a logical rebuttal so you decided to attack what you believed was my political beliefs and life values by throwing Hannity in my face.
Then, much to your chagrin, I pointed out you failed to notice that my icon of Hannity has him pinching his nipples. Then you started hurling extremely childish insults and being upset that I won’t let you have the last word.
Not stirring up trouble son. Just doing what I do. You’re welcome to not respond to this post, and the conversation will end.
Have you the capability to do so?
YOU RESPONDED TWICE TO THE SAME MESSAGE, as was pointing out at the time. You responded twice because I ignored the first reply and you wanted to go on trolling.
Now, for the third time, leave me alone and stop trolling. If you carry this on I will be reporting you and blocking you.
Yes, I did. For one of two reasons.
1.) Disqus has a fairly archaic system to inform me I have a message to reply to. I may have seen yours twice and posted twice. But if I remember correctly, I posted twice because I had more to say, not to taunt you into responding. I just didn’t want to edit the original comment. The time stamps are probably identical due to the fact that they were back to back.
You never ignored any of my comments. Including this one. After I specifically told you that if you stop responding to me, I won’t respond again.
Yet here we are. You just couldn’t help but post a reply. And now trying to play the victim card. Feel free to block me, I could give a shit less. Report me too, I’m not harassing you by replying to your messages in a conversation you engaged in.
So much fail. This was fun though.
Reported and blocking. Sick of this disgraceful trolling.
Last word.
Wow! Looks so good! Dark, original, great music! It definitely appeared to be out if chronological order so I wouldn’t read anything into what we’re seeing. Is it December yet??
No it’s only October… 🙂
And my time machine won’t be ready until the end of January at the latest.
Oh hey if you pause the scene with Finn clashing with Phasma… you see the NEW AT-STs. They have single slit view screen now.
No Canto Bight in this trailer. Why? Lucasfilm was afraid it would make the viewer think of the Prequels?
No Rose, Holdo or DJ.
“No Rose, Holdo or DJ.” — Thank god. #TimeWasters
Kent Kaliber #TimeWaster
How so? Those characters ARE Time Wasters in a film with enough viable characters already.
Once again, you seem to know everything about what they do in the movie without having seen it. Amazing. It’s like asking, “What is Billy Dee Williams doing in the Star Wars sequel? Don’t they have enough characters from the first movie to make it good?
Lando was essential to a new Planet that was vital to the story, and an old friend of Han. Whereas Rose is a complete waste of space and wait till you see how TERRIBLE her lackluster scenes are. We don’t need Holdo either as we already have Leia in the lead.
Please explain how you know any of this. Were you a test screening participant? A guest of Rian Johnson at the Ranch? A time traveller? We’re all dying to know how you know so much about all these characters, every single thing they do in the movie and how their acting performances were.
I’m just that plain intuitive. See you after Dec 15 and you will see it firsthand.
You’re just plain talking shit.
By intuitive you mean plainly wrong in almost all of the opinions you assert on this forum.
And you know that how, having not seen the film?
And how so? Do you have some ability to divine the future? I will admit; I am biased towards RJ as I love his work a lot more. But really, so far this trailer looks a lot better than TFA which relied on cheap nostalgia.
So really, all I see is someone being presumptuous. This movie could very well suck. Always a possibility. But I doubt it. Because, unlike TFA, it will have to hit the ground running.
Except TFA didn’t suck. Made 2+ billion dollars and people really enjoyed it, which is why there is as much hype for TLJ as there is.
For the masses, sure. Not me. I really do not like the movie, even after recently rewatching it. TLJ, indeed had a lot of hype from TFA, but to me I was always more excited for TLJ than TFA due to the director, RJ.
For granted, this movie could end up being his weakest film which I would feel bad. But really, I want this movie to do well. Because, much as a do not like TFA, I am not stubborn. I am more than willing to re-evaluate films or anything in life and have an open mind.
It is why for example, I consider Blade Runner a masterpiece, as when I was younger; I hated it. But now, I see why people love the movie. Plus, the sequel was fantastic. But I digress.
I could see that Holdo and DJ won’t get much screen time. Remember how the great Max von Sydow only appeared in two short scenes in TFA?
We could see more of Holdo in IX, though, since Fisher won’t be in it.
Or Praetorian Guards.
We see the bottom of their robes
My mistake, I totally missed them.
They’re obviously keeping most of the story under wraps, and just showing bits of what people are already invested in after TFA.
Actually, I do believe I’ve spotted the seam in the ol’ toupee as far as that final pair of shots of Rey and Kylo goes.
Look at what Rey is wearing. It’s her tunic from the last scene in TFA, and not her new Jedi-ish get-up that we see her in elsewhere in TLJ.
To me, this suggests that the shot of Rey and her line of dialogue come from early in the film, almost certainly during a scene between her and Luke.
Nice head-fake, though!
if it is an edit its a good one because the lighting on both seems to match.
Absolutely. There’s fire in both shots. My guess is, a campfire in Rey’s and some sort of actual fiery destruction in Kylo’s.
i get the feeling that this scene will be analyzed backwards and forwards for the next two months. lol
I’m sure it will. I expect a great deal of grabbing the wrong end of the stick and proceeding to beat about the bush with it. ;^)
Not from me, I won’t be thinking about it tomorrow, the next day, or the day after that… unless I forget of course 🙂
Interestingly though there are plenty of sparks flying through the air in Kylo’s shot, not in Rey’s. I thought it was the same scene at first, now I don’t think so.
Yeah, I agree that Rey is probably by a campfire on Ahch-to, and Kylo is on a starship that is on fire.
My favourite thing in the TFA trailers was Finn igniting that saber. Have to say him facing off against Phasma has me just as hyped!
That wasn’t a saber, it was one of the electrified batons that TR-8R used against Finn in TFA. Which now explains why the “Finn in disguise” action figure includes it as an accessory.
oops, nevermind…I see you were referring to the TFA trailer.
I believe you misread the comment.
The movement of the walkers looks intentionally stop-motion-esque to my eye.
exactly what I thought
The porg. OMG the porg. Resistance is futile.
So Snoke has grey/white eyebrows…
Depending on which version of ROTJ you watch, Anakin also had grey/white eyebrows.
I got some KOTOR vibes right here for some reason
So… thoughts on the Crystal foxes being smart enough to seek shelter in the Resistance bunker? Are they actually sentient? Are these the natural race of aliens on Crait?
If this was confirmed elsewhere forgive me. Just seemed like they were maybe working with the Resistance.
Considering their proximity to the base and the panic in their eyes, I’d say they just did the natural thing and run for maybe the only, or at least closest, cover on a seemingly barren planet.
Also, we’ve been getting some wolves in Rebels, wonder if there’s any connection, at least thematically.
Maybe they are just foxes or wolves (the Star Wars universe equivalent of foxes/wolves), and their fur simply simply gets covered with the planet’s minerals, which then quickly grow into crystals.
Snoke has blue eyes. hmm.
Yep… Lord Goldemort is actually Frank Sinatra.
Yep… Lord Goldemort is actually Frank Sinatra.
Snoke is John D. Rockefeller
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Willrow Hood is Snoke confirmed.
which finally confirms he’s not a sith.
which finally confirms he’s not a sith.
Ian McDiarmid has blue eyes for what it’s worth.
Snoke is Palp’s dad!
true, but snoke has no reason to hide his identity here.
How do you know?
well when you are seemingly using the force to torture someone, i think the jig is up. 😉
Yes, but at the same time the first movie deliberately avoided his identity (not that I am saying he’s Palps or anyone we’ve seen before).
But LFL hasn’t denied his identity. It’s been said time and time again. Snoke is Snoke.
Non-canonically, Sheev brutally murders his whole family, including father
What? What does eye color have to do with anything??
sith have yellow eyes.
Palpatine had blue eyes and he was sith. Dooku had brown eyes ..
I don’t think the eye thing is very consistent..
leave it lucas to not be faithful to his own canon. 😉
ahahahahahahaha
So he’s not the bridge guy in delphi, Indiana? Ok good
Monster skeleton in the Rey diving into the water scene.
There’s always a bigger fish.
Interesting that Rey will be captured by Snoke in this episode — definitely not a mirror of ROTJ. I think we’ll get some bigger surprises.
think i’ll just watch this one on dvd
Your life, live it as you will. However if your so down on it all maybe leave this site too?
It’s probably just my deluded old mind, but, for me, the last couple of days there’s been a “Solo” vibe to Rey.
The outfit on the front of the novel is female Han
Lukes comment about seeing the power before (in your brother, maybe)
Rey asking for direction and getting Kylos hand (possible misdirection but hey its 445am and this theory doesn’t need any unravelling)
Kylo taking out mum leaves Rey with her big brother.
Snoke at the end is threatened by estranged sibling team ReyLo
I think Luke is referencing Palpatine, not Ben/Kylo, when he speaks of not being afraid when seeing raw power before. He was overconfident thinking he could take on Palpatine in ROTJ and would have died if not for his father’s sacrifice. Now he is more deliberate when confronting Snoke, who appears to have similar raw power. Rey likely wants to rush into battle to eliminate the first order and Snoke and Luke is espousing patience.
Great insight. You may be right, or at least I hope you are. This seems to be the most fitting. We shall see in December.
I agree. Thought he was talking about Vader at first, but then in texts with my friend recanted and decided on Palpatine. And that makes him very nervous!
That penguin thing with Chewie is F’ing regarded.
Hope that lasts all of 8 seconds in the movie ..
The porgs will have their own stand alone movie…you just watch.
Regarding Porgs : A Star Wars Story
The porgs are going to win the Battle of Crait for the Resistance. They’ll chew though the metal legs of the AT-M6s and AT-ATs, and Leia will say, “I must admit that without the porgs, it would not have been victory.”
And at the end, they’ll have a little medal ceremony with porgs lined on the stage wearing tiny medals, and everyone cheering.
Rian, if you’re reading this, make it happen.
“Dear fans, we know you hated the Ewoks. We know you hated Jar Jar. So just to dick with you and make you forget about those abominations, we have invented some new cute, annoying creatures that are AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE more cutesy and annoying! Meet the PORGS!”
They will swarm over the walkers like the ghost army over the oliphants in Return of the King.
Actually…..that might be freaking amazing, with Luke leading the way.
Lol. “Darth Porgeus”
Ok. I get it. But dude, it’s FUNNY!
Ok. I get it. But dude, it’s FUNNY!
Lol… They did it for George!
You seem regarded.
Its regarded……. as one of the best new animal characters of the trilogy.
im 45 and I think its pretty cool actually. Not sure what your problem is….
Cool huh? Maybe you’re the one with the problem?
i do think the biggest fake out in is the idea that kylo is going to kill leia. no way will they have him kill his dad and his mum. i suspect he will consider it and then leia will reach out to him in the force and tell him that despite everything she still loves him. and that plus his lingering doubts about killing han will cause him to reconsider his path. i wonder if his line about burying your past is about him coming back from the dark side.
I remember something about them saying they won’t kill off Leia but she’ll remain off screen after this film
Chewie looks awful. Why is he CGI’d?
He’s not CGI.
He looks like he always has
Not CGI, but you’re right – looks awful in at least that one shot. Something as simple as the colour saturation too pumped maybe?
The eyes have it.
We just have never seen his eyes move. So it’s jarring. We’ve seen him done the same way for 40 years. They added something…new…and we’re all weirded out by it lol
What? I…wait…WHAT?! That’s LITERALLY PM’s eyes every other time you’ve seen Chewie on screen before TFA. OF COURSE WE’VE SEEN HIS EYES MOVE.
His eyelids. We’ve never seen his eyelids get wide like that.
Looks like Johnson is going to take Star Wars to new places after all.
To think all the whiners who were just a MONTH ago crying “REBOOT REBOOT REBOOT” on these forums are now back to licking Johnson’s boot heels and saying how much better this film will be than Episode VII again.
You folks need to learn something about integrity.
I got my tickets, see you in December.
Looks like Johnson is going to take Star Wars to new places after all.
To think all the whiners who were just a MONTH ago crying “REBOOT REBOOT REBOOT” on these forums are now back to licking Johnson’s boot heels and saying how much better this film will be than Episode VII again.
You folks need to learn something about integrity.
I got my tickets, see you in December.
“just a Month ago”?!?!?!
They are still crying Reboot on this very thread. HAHAHA.
See you at the theater.
I have to agree the backlash was a bit OTT, though to be devil’s advocate the 1st trailer showed those walkers which maybe wasn’t a good idea in hindsight with the comparisons of TFA with the OT.
This trailer eases any fears I harbour, so roll on December!
Looks like Luke is a coward in this film. I thought Jedi were supposed to control fear as it leads to the dark side. Luke pretty much out right states he is afraid in the trailer.
Also Luke is the most powerful Jedi, son of the ‘chosen one’, but looks shocked when Rey cracks the rock. Didn’t he have raw power himself???
For once you start down the dark path forever will it dominate your destiny.
LOL….he’s not a coward. He’s concerned that he wasn’t careful enough in the past. Don’t kid yourself. Luke will kick ass in this film. I think it’s been all but confirmed that he will take out the Knights of Ren and he should handle Kylo with no problem. Hopefully, with his green lightsaber.
LOL….he’s not a coward. He’s concerned that he wasn’t careful enough in the past. Don’t kid yourself. Luke will kick ass in this film. I think it’s been all but confirmed that he will take out the Knights of Ren and he should handle Kylo with no problem. Hopefully, with his green lightsaber.
Heroes who never show surprise or fear are exactly what make comic book and action movies uninteresting to me. It works more for villains because it makes them seem less human. That’s one thing that makes Kylo Ren appealing — he’s a villain who exhibits those humanizing qualities.
I think we’re only meant to get that impression from the trailer. I’m not a TFA fan and I’m having my doubts about this film, but if I had a spare grand laying around I would bet, like darthracer said, that Luke ends up kicking some ass. That part you can count on.
Can you share what your doubts are? I wasnt a TFA fan either but I have a lot of faith in Rian for TLJ
My doubts are just about where the story in general is going. There have been other trilogies that I have been dissapointed in and I hate to see Star Wars go that way.
For example…..Alien, an SF masterpiece, only outdone (and one of the few sequels, like ESB, that is better than it’s predecessor) by it’s sequel Aliens. But then Aliens 3 was made and it negated everything that happend in it’s prequel. That’s how I felt about TFA. TFA is the “Aliens 3” of Star Wars. It negated everything that happened before it. Our hereos accomplished nothing in the 40 years since ROTJ.
Another one is the Terminator franchise. The first one (and I was 14 when it came out) was dark and brilliant. Like Alien, another SF masterpiece. Both are in my top 10 of all time. Then T2 came out, and while the time travel/timeline thing didn’t add up, it was in it’s own right a fantastic sequel. (It came out in 91, and it still is the last film that blew me out of my fucking seat in the theatre.) But then came Terminator 3, which negated everything that happened before, and was an unessesary sequel.
I’m just tired of sequels that don’t carry on the victory of what happened in their predecessors. I’m not saying that TFA should have been a strokefest, but really? Nothing happened in 40 years.
Yes, a lot happened in 30 years. A New Republic was formed, a Jedi Praxeum came and went. The galaxy went on to be ruled by its people, instead of a despot.
Problem is, that’s not exciting to watch in a film. People think they want 30 minutes dedicated to the current state of the galaxy, but if all is peaceful until the First Order starts blowing shit up, then you have the worst parts of the Prequel trilogy which they had wanted to avoid.
Perhaps he does now, but think how long it took Luke to jiggle a lightsaber hilt in the snow and Rey is defeating dark force users a splitting rocks with her mind within 24 hours of even learning she had the force. So it could be he means that raw potential more that raw power in the strict sense
The look on Luke’s face is because the section of rock they are on is about to break away and fall. That is when Luke levitates the rock as we see in previous leaks.
Luke isn’t the most powerful Jedi in canon. He’s not even a fully trained Jedi as compared to what Padawan’s went through in the Republic era.
Even Anakin, who started late, had more training than Luke did.
Also, the ‘Chosen One’ bit was never fleshed out entirely as to mean “Ultimate Force Wielder Ever”. Simply that they were to bring balance to the Force. Which ultimately Anakin Skywalker did by destroying the Emperor and dying. The Sith are gone, and for a time, he brought balance to the Force.
Lucas stated that Luke had the potential to be the most powerful Jedi / Force wielder post-ROTJ. Adding yet another super-powerful Jedi is just laziness.
Had the potential. Never happened. Luke was never ub3r powered.
A little thing I just noticed at the beginning of the trailer: the ambience around Snoke’s voice changes completely when he says “Something truly special,” as if those words are from a completely different part of the film.
Keep in mind that the TFA trailers had voiceovers that were not from the film.
OK, my 2 cents worth, fantastic trailer but lots of misdirection taking place.
When we hear Snoke speak at the start saying “when i found you…something truly special etc” i think he’s talking to Rey not Kylo, i think Snoke then drops Kylo like a bad habit (we see Kylo angry in the elavator smashing his mask), i also think this is around the same time Snoke is torturing Rey.
When Luke realises Rey’s power he refuses to train her, he looks terrified when he say he has seen this power before as he has seen it all before with Kylo, The first order capture Rey, when Luke says “this is not going to go the way you think” i think he is talking to Kylo on Ach-to after the First Order get Rey.
This leaves Luke to lift his x-wing from underwater and step up to the plate to rescue her.
Rey going into the force tree is probably near the end of the movie to read the Journal of the Whills, she is talking to Luke when she says “i need someone to show me my place in all this” and Luke agrees.
I also think Kylo is extending his hand to his mother in her ship, he doesn’t destroy it, instead he goes aboard to rescue her.
Nice!
Building off what others said below…
Luke doesn’t want to train Rey, but guess what…Snoke does – especially since Kylo showed mercy in saving his mom from the ship. So Rey slowly begins to go dark, while Kylo assembles the Knights of Ren to take out Snoke and Rey. The vision Rey had of them in TFA is actually them facing her down in Ep IX. Luke’s also trying to take down ReyNoke, but not alongside Kylo. Luke:Knights of Ren::Rebel Alliance:Saw’s Partisans.
Chewbacca looks terrible, what is up with his eye’s? it doesn’t look anything like him! How can they not do a better job finding someone who has the same physical traits and mannerisms as Peter Mayhew??
or just some blue contacts for the new actor…
retcon: Wookiees’ eyes change color and darken with time, or during periods of grief.
LOL 🙂
Chewie’s mouth literally looks like PLASTIC — how on earth did Rian f*ck up Chewie?
I read somewhere he was CG?
He’s actually a mo-cap hand puppet.
The eyes are the windows to the soul, and there’s no disguising the fact that they don’t belong to Mayhew.
Yes, the Chewie and cuddly toy scene was the only negative in an otherwise outstanding trailer for me.
So you can tell also? You’d think eye’s are eye’s but holy crap I can totally tell they aren’t the real Chewbacca’s Yeah, kind of cheesy on the cuddly doll thing, he’s actually cute but doesn’t fit (Ewoks), sounds like they are going to make a series of films or whatever on race of creatures…
There aren’t exactly hordes of 7 ft. tall actors to choose from. Joonas does a fine job.
Awesome force tree reference! A few notes about it though…
Didn’t Sheev completely uproot the one on Coruscant? Surely the fragments of it that were kept can’t have grown that much in so little time. Maybe the Great Tree wasn’t the original?
I thought I remembered there being something about it in the Thrawn trilogy. At the very least, I think Talon Kaarde’s base was in a giant tree, so maybe they’re related???
Read the Shattered Empire mini series. In it, Luke rescues part of the tree. Don’t know if it will be the same one though.
Yes, I remember that. That part of the tree is what I was referring to when I said that the fragments couldn’t have grown that much in so little time. The tree in the trailer was many time the size of real-life giant sequoias, which are a few thousand years old. From Shattered Empire to TLJ is, what, 40 years? Unless there’s some weird force-growth thing happening, I don’t see a sapling getting that big AND dying off and hollowing out in that span of time.
Plus, some are saying that’s where the Journal of the Whills is, meaning the tree is millennia old. So I don’t think it’s the Shattered Empire sapling all grown up
” this is not going to go the way you think…”
Seeing some Mustafar-y bits in there: Overhead shot of troopers marching over something that looks like recently cooled lava + the backdrop behind Kylo Ren as he reaches his hand out.
I already made an earlier statement about how I’m not a TFA fan and that I have some doubts about this film, but after watching the trailer a few more times, I think Mark Hamill is going to be fantastic in it, regardless of how the film turns out.
Looks very, very intriguing. Very unique look to the shots, I can definitely tell the feel of the cinematography will be different. So many potential misdirections in this trailer, who knows what will happen with this twisted-looking story! Looks so dark and psychological, very thought-provoking. Love it. Can’t wait for December!
Looks very, very intriguing. Very unique look to the shots, I can definitely tell the feel of the cinematography will be different. So many potential misdirections in this trailer, who knows what will happen with this twisted-looking story! Looks so dark and psychological, very thought-provoking. Love it. Can’t wait for December!
Luke is Yoda in this film. Rey trains with Luke, then, like Luke leaving for Bespin and confronting Vader, we see Rey in the clutches of Snoke, being tortured on a table like Han was on Cloud City.
ESB remake.
The porg was my favourite bit.
The trailer is awesome.
The cinematography, the sentences, and also it seems there is a rich complex plot behind.
Looks great, there are really amazing stuff here, but sometimes I feel it less Star Wars and more an other movie, and sometimes a movie wich wants to look like Star Wars, but still I think this can be really great, I have faith in Rian, we have seen nothing yet!
I really liked this scene: (it made me remember this is still a Lucas film movie) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a52028f704d34aed34eb7815b146db3e02500fa3c7e30852cf926634eb00eb13.png
It actually reminded me of The Clone Wars from a visual perspective…which is a very good thing.
Have you been watching Rebels?
Yes, but the overall design of the film has more of a Clone Wars/prequel era feel to me, it’s kinda feels like a “prequels-done right” type of thing. That’s the impression i got from this trailer and i absolutely love it.
This specific scene with the wolves it think that have that feeling, I like that. I wish we can see more of this in the movie.
Looks like something out of the early-1980s “Never-ending Story” to me, just with better effects.
Yes, a lot of this movie’s designs has a strong “Neverending Story” feeling to it – and it’s one of the reason why I love it 🙂
The wolves looked way too fake to me. Too much CGI.
Actually I think they don’t, they have cristals instead of hair, movements looks very natural to me, but maybe the hair is what takes you out.
Bloody outstanding.
Looking closer at the AT-ATs and AT-STs: are these really old school, Imperial era designs? (I can’t tell myself for certain.) They look slightly updated, but not from the OT era. Opinions?
I wonder if the FO Scout Walker that LEGO released (which has several legs, like a spider or crab) will be in this movie at all.
the AT-ATs look slightly different to me… the head is longer I think.
and I really hope the weird AT-ST crab things are not in the movie… the LEGO set just looks like a mess.
I’m not sure, maybe they are slightly modified/upgraded versions of the Imperial walkers-which i really like because it makes a lot of sense seeing as the The First Order were founded using what remained of the Imperial military, i think it would be strange if the AT-AT is still completely vulnerable to “tow-cables”-so maybe we will see some improvements demonstrated in this film, either way it’s fun to see them alongside their huge, lumbering new counterpart, the AT-M6.
It may end up like the land speeder chase did in TFA on Starkiller, on the cutting room floor.
But doesn’t mean you won’t see those little fellas skittering beneath the larger walkers.
Remember, we saw the AT-ST first in Empire Strikes back in a similar fashion.
WOW…just, wow…
Some random thoughts I’ve had about the actors and characters:
This will be Adam Driver’s movie — he’s going to steal the show. It appears Johnson made the creative choice to have Kylo ditch his helmet early in the movie. No more masks. No more hiding. (Both thematically and in terms of the acting — this of course frees up Driver as an actor.)
Fisher will give a surprising performance. Johnson will deservedly be credited for helping Fisher give her best acting performance — her final act, which will make us miss her all over again.
Hamill/Luke will come off as a little deranged in this, but in a good, intentional way. Luke may not be all right in the head.
Poe will be Poe, and Finn will be Finn (hopefully with a lot less panting).
DJ probably won’t have many scenes. Two or three scenes, probably all on Canto. I could imagine him speaking in a weird, slangy language — the kind of speaking style that Johnson wrote for Brick and Brothers Bloom. An amoral slicer (computer hacker) would fit with this speaking style.
Holdo likewise won’t be in many scenes. However, now that Fisher is gone, JJ Abrams could expand this character in IX.
Phasma will stay masked.
Rose: I cannot predict if she could be cute-cool or cute-annoying. It seems it could go either way. She doesn’t appear in this trailer, hmmm.
Rey: Nothing stands out for me about the character or Ridley at the moment… that is, nothing appears to be unexpected.
Hux, Maz, C3PO… each will have a few lines but not appear for many scenes. (Hux’s scenes and lines will emphasize a divide that is widening between him and Snoke and/or Kylo. Maz could be the one who suggests the Resistance contact DJ on Canto Bight.)
The STRONGEST analysis I have seen thus far. Spot on. Do you think we will get the “HEROIC LUKE” that everyone is craving ?
I’m definitely craving heroic Luke!!! I worry a bit though – when Luke is on the ground, in the rain, saying that “this is not going to go the way you think”, it looks like he has been beaten?
No
Hopefully not.
Brilliant observations and yeah i thought the same thing about Adam Driver, he was the best part of TFA in my opinion and i think Kylo will be given much more focus and depth in this film and that is a very, very good thing because i love his character and Adam is deserving of this because he is superb in that role.
So here is my theory. Luke has seen this power before in… Rey. Probably his daughter. She was training with him in his academy when she was really young, but then she did something scarying and she couldn’t control her powers. Probably killed someone- her mother (also a strong force user, jedi)? So Luke decided to leave her (hide her) on Jakku, away from his academy and his enemies, because she is too dangerous and he couldn’t kill her, and sent Lor San Tekka to watch over her. Luke probably succeeded in erasing her memory, putting her raw power to sleep, utill the force awakened in her when she touched her fathers and grandfathers lightsaber.
That does make sense. You could very well be onto something.
I hope so. It will be amazing and really fit in the story. It makes sense to why he left her on Jakku.
She is too dangerous and she did something horrible (like killing her mother in her anger) and Luke couldn’t kill her beacuse it’s his daughter and his weakness. So he decided to hide her in the middle of nowhere, where no one could find her and use her in his advantage (like Snoke).
After that incident he was really dissapointed, but his only hope left was his nephew Ben. After he betrayed him aswell years later, he had no hope left. For him the jedi became a danger for the galaxy, so he decided to dissapear and never come back. It was time for the jedi to end.
Also it makes sense why Leia knew her when they met in the end of TFA. She was probably against the idea of Luke banishing her on Jakku. She probably tought Rey is just a confused kid that did something wrong. That also explains the importance of Leia in this trilogy. She believes in Ben and Rey, she believes in the good in them. She is now the believer in light, in good, in the jedi and Luke is not a believer anymore. So by sending Rey to Luke, Leia believes he’ll see there is still a hope, and there is still a rey of light for the galaxy.
I had a similar thought this morning as well, Lor was left on Jakku in the same way Ben Kenobi was looking after Luke on Tatooine..
The fact that Lor and Kylo also knew each other, with all three of them on the same planet is too much of a coincidence surely.
I agree that is a possibility, but my gut tells me that in this instance he was talking about Kylo Ren. Snoke is describing his raw power at the beginning of the trailer, and when Luke says this to Rey, we are shown the devastation of the Jedi (presumably) at Ren’s hand. I think he was naive in his training of Ben. He recognized his power and his potential for evil, yet underestimated the sway of the dark side on the boy and it cost him dearly. Seeing similar traits now in Rey is terrifying to him. I also remember how Rian Johnson recently said that Rey and Kylo Ren are like two halves of a whole or something like that, which reinforces this idea for me.
I think this is bang on, I also think Snoke is talking to Rey at the beginning not Ben. I also think Ben is going to turn back to the light side while rey ends up on the dark side. If Luke could turn theres no reason Ben can’t. And episode 9 will be about Ben defeating Rey
I can’t believe i haven’t seen it yet.
I think it’s the first time it has major information. I like subtle trailers.
I don’t know how long can I wait. I have two months to think about it :p
Dear Lord…
I love how they designed the trailer to play on all the most popular, crazy-fan theories out there, feeding just enough material to both sides of each theory to go on speculating from now till the end of days (or, at least, right up to december) 😉
Other than that, great trailer and the movie looks gorgeous.
I won’t speculate much but:
Finn and Phasma’s duel is aboard the same ship where Kylo is at the beginning of the trailer, and where Snoke tortures Rey.
The Falcon running through caves happens on Crait.
It is safe to assume that Crait will take place towards the end of the film.
Probably, Kylo is more influenced by Han’s death than expected.
The whole Jedi Temple burning thing might not be a flashback, which means that, when portrayed in the forceback scene, it was some sort of flashforward. Kylo is portrayed in a night scene with burns, so it is safe to assume that this is in the same setting. So thewhole burning the jedi temple part is happening is present day, presumably.
Hope they’re hiding Luke + lightsabre and not that he’s mostly sidelined again.
Hope they’re hiding Luke + lightsabre and not that he’s mostly sidelined again.
If Luke uses his green lightsaber in this movie, they will NEVER show it in any trailer or TV spot.
However, most signs are pointing to Luke not being in any action-scene whatsoever in this film. He is a scarred person, afraid of both himself, the Force, and what it can do to others. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he doesnt have any lightsaber at all.
If Luke uses his green lightsaber in this movie, they will NEVER show it in any trailer or TV spot.
However, most signs are pointing to Luke not being in any action-scene whatsoever in this film. He is a scarred person, afraid of both himself, the Force, and what it can do to others. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he doesnt have any lightsaber at all.
It looks that way for sure…misdirection perhaps?
Well, Hamill pretty much confirmed he’ll be using a lightsaber. He’ll confront the Knights of Ren. He’s going to kick ass.
Here are my thoughts about the story:
The First Order attacks the Resistance base. During the evacuation Kylo Ren shoots the ship, his mother is in. Leia is gravely wounded and in a coma. The Resistance fleet escapes and Holdo takes command. Poe sends Finn and Rose to Canto Bight to find some new allies. They are sent to Crait where they are captured but are able to escape.
Luke begins to train Rey but realizes that the Force is so strong with her like it was with Ben Solo. He fears that this power might be used by Snoke to take control of the whole galaxy. Kylo Ren attacks the island, kills Luke and captures Rey, who is brought before Snoke. He tortures her in order to turn her to the Dark Side.
At the end the Resistance fleet is on the run, Leia dies due to her grave injuries, Luke is dead, too and Rey captured.
Leia is seen on Crait, which is presumably towards the end of the movie. So, she probably won’t be in a coma following the evacuation of D’Qar. I think Kylo is not going to shoot her ship down as he senses Leia and they have a connection through the force. You might be right about Luke though.
The trailer obviously implies that Rey will turn to the dark side, but that is probably a misdirection based on past trailer precedents.
Lol…..Luke can handle Kylo. No, he won’t be killed. He’ll confront Snoke in IX.
If Snoke is as powerful as I’m hoping he is, I think it will take Luke, Rey, and perhaps even Kylo Ren to take him down in IX.
I hope that Luke is more powerful than that…personally, I hope we get to see EU powered Luke! But, definitely hope we get to see some kind of crazy dark power. I’m believing he is like Nihilous and takes force energy.
Hey, that could happen. We’ll find out.
Except that we see Leia alive and well in the hangar on Crait.
I don’t think you are far off, but have to say no to Luke’s death. NO way they kill off 2 legacy characters in one film. Disney wasn’t even super comfortable killing off Han in TFA.
Just did a screenshot of Snoke from the trailer… Now perhaps I am really reaching here but… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0b5192e463b5215787fca5b5a2e7a63c8ab09213368ecc829e9a728da796b27c.png
Any chance?
Not a chance. Snoke is ancient, probably the same age as Maz Kanata if not older. Also, they’re not resurrecting the Emperor, because a clone of Palpatine would be much younger in appearance.
I kinda agree. And would prefer that way as well… But there is definitely a similarity there, and Snoke’s grotesque form could have been as a result of his fall down the shaft etc?
Snoke is not Palpatine, but he uses Palpatine’s phrase “Fulfill your destiny”, which is consistent with the Stars Wars tradition of reusing certain sentences in different movies.
Unless the filmmakers mentioning of Snoke as an ‘ancient being’ is an intentional misdirection, him being Palpatine is impossible.
Besides, there’s no reason for them to make such a huge intentional misdirection. Like “Yeah we KNOW we told you Snoke was ancient, but… ya’ know… JUST A JOKE!”
Yes, but who’s to say Palpatine isnt deemed ancient too? Why couldn’t Palaptine been lying about all the Darth Plagueis being his master back in Ep III and its been him all along?
Because Darth Plagueis being Palpatine’s master is canon, and Palpatine being a young man (for real) on Naboo is canon too.
Yeah, they’re not resurrecting Palpatine. Because (my theory) Snoke was the *real* power behind Palpatine all along, the one who helped him rise to power. Snoke has taken a direct approach to running things now, since Palpatine failed him, and may have been conducting activities in secret unknown to Snoke (which could be Rey).
I think Snoke is his own character, an Ancient Sith, born from the Old Republic. His main interest is Luke Skywalker, he needs to feed off his power.
Luke is hiding out on Ahch-to to prepare himself to face Snoke. There is something documented in the book that will help him defeat Snoke, but he is not ready yet. Rey turning up derails his plans, but he reluctantly teaches her the ways of the force. After Luke defeats The Knights of Ren, Rey leaves Ahch-to to rejoin the Resistance, but Luke stays on Ahch-to. We won’t see him confront Snoke until Episode IX
Snoke is not a Sith.
And Kahn wasn’t in J.J’s Trek…just saying.
You can just say all you want, but this has been confirmed by the Story Group and in canon. The prophecy is fulfilled. Sith are gone.
just saying.
lol, and everything moving forward is canon.
Yeah, it is. I read A Certain Point of View and the only things in there that wouldn’t be canon are like the Palpatine talking in Shakespearan dialect and a funny comic strip. And those things are just fun little bits. So I can easily say it’s all canon, if you know what canon means: “Does a storyteller have to take this into account when making their story?”
By that definition, which is the only one in Star Wars, most of this stuff will never come up again.
So yeah, everything moving forward is canon. Including this.
lol.
JJ said there were no sith in TFA, but he also said that he didn’t plan everything fully so that other directors would have creative freedom; So there is nothing to stop ryan johnson from making retroactively making snoke an ancient sith.
Except they have stated time and again that he isn’t a Sith. The Sith were destroyed, the prophecy, the Chosen One, etc…
My theory is that he is an “ancient one” — an unknown alien race from beyond the Outer Rim. The reason why I think this, specifically, is because the new canon makes references to the unmapped regions beyond the Outer Rim, and Palpatine’s and the First Order’s rumored connection/interest in this mysterious realm.
Furthermore, I think Snoke was the real power behind Palpatine, helping him rise to power. (There may have been others like Snoke also involved.) When Palpatine was defeated, Snoke took over and decided to run things directly.
What’s Snoke’s, or his people’s, motivation for sowing so much discord and darkness over the known SW universe for several millennia? I’m not sure, but it has to do with the Force, most likely.
I would go along with this. It makes sense he has some connection to Palpatine.
No chance.
Not unless he had his voice changed and lost his accent.
Not unless he had his voice changed and lost his accent.
Plus grown in height….
Yeah, I don’t think she’s talking to Kylo here – I believe she is speaking with Luke.
I believe there is a lot of misdirection
(Rey is not talking to Kylo, Luke is not as angry/hopeless as the trailer makes him out to be)
After watching that all I can say is thank goodness for ‘Blade Runner’, ‘Thor’ and ‘The Death of Stalin’ to lessen the blow of the two-month wait.
Film looks amazing. Its gonna look and feel much more grown up than TFA did thanks to Rian.
God but the tears you’ll shed when you have to watch the climax directed by Abrams :DDDDDDDDD
Yep. I will watch it regardless. Im hoping JJ will be replaced at some point.
Considering the amount of money they shelled out for him he won’t be replaced.
You’ll get a JJ film and have to deal with it. It’s okay though, I know you’ll happily repost countless times during the making and release of IX how awful it would be and that Lucas should have just let Johnson do it.
Pradicktable.
Looks terrific
It is better than the first teaser trailer, but far from terrific.
Your opinion of course.
That’s your opinion. which means nothing to me.
ahahahaha Best thing I’ve seen you post in ages.
it’s all gold!
Modesty is your most impressive virtue, Deadly.
It’s one of many (I don’t know how much longer I can keep this up.)
Don’t let the ladies down, they expect your intellectual stamina to persevere.
Well, for the ladies…
Looks good, and I agree with the misdirection. The scene where Kylo is offering his hand to Rey is probably a misdirection. Also the scene where he looks like he is going to attack Leia’s ship is probably a misdirection. This is starting to look more and more like Empire, but with some mirror action taking place. Instead of Luke running off to help his friends it will be Rey and while Luke lost his hand and rejected Vader, I think Rey will probably accept Kylo’s offer. However I don’t see Kylo as being Vader this time around. I think Luke may be the one who has walked down the dark path and will be redeemed at the end of E 9.
I think it is obvious the hand to Rey is a misdirection, I think that sentence she is saying will be to Luke instead.
Not about Kylo attack on Leia Ship.
I wonder if he will be attacking and he could not push the fire, and later back to the destroyer he will be so angry and destroy the helmet.
But who knows, may be as you say it is a misleading.
I have not seen scenes of Canto Bright in this one… I wonder why.
This movie seems to me a “what if” as in, what if Luke had joined Vader and returned to serve the Emperor at the end of Empire. I am probably 1000000 miles off, but perhaps
well now I am even more excited to see this movie! I am assuming there is a lot of misdirection but I am definitely interested in finding out where the stories of Kylo Ren and Rey go and if they are intertwined in some way. Love the clash between Finn and Plasma
Yeah, I was happy to see that. I always thought it should have been Phasma that faced him on Takodana in TFA – now we get to see that battle. And Finn looks fierce in this movie – like he’s really embracing himself as a warrior.
I love that Luke says “This isn’t going to go the way you think it is.” I hope that applies to the movie itself.
I get the feeling, that he is about to kick some ass…right after that comment (or at least I hope so)
If Luke does not unleash the force in a never-before seen way or at least have a sweet lightsaber duel it will be a big missed opportunity IMO. Despite rey being the main character, Luke is still the original hero of the galaxy, and his story needs some resolution
That’s where he breaks out the force lightening and exclaims “POWER! Unlimited POWER!” Maybe not the second part but I’d be down with Luke dabbling in the dark side.
agree 1000%!
Luke is the son of the Chosen One, and the most powerful force user ever… but no, now Rey has even more power and raw strength in the force….
All Disney can seemingly add to the mythology are even more powerful force users and larger superweapons.
Say what you will about the Yuuzhan Vong, but at least they were a different threat to the Jedi and the galaxy.
I somewhat agree to this, but I won’t make my final judgement until after I’ve seen Episode IX. There’s still so much we don’t know, and I hope they will make an interesting and compelling story that seems believable and original.
For example, if Rey is a Force experiment, or is a reincarnation of Anakin or Palpatine. Maybe Rey is the “Dark Chosen One” and Anakin was the “Light Chosen One”.
No we dont know who the Chosen One is. Prophecies misread all the time. Thats the beauty of them for stories like Star Wars.
I thought Lucas confirmed Anakin was the Chosen One?
they did
Not only did he confirm he was the Chosen One, but that he fulfilled the prophecy and brought balance to the Force by destroying the Sith.
So is the force officially in balance or not in TFA?
It was balanced per George at the end of Return of the Jedi. There’s literally a Youtube video of him out there explaining this.
We think of balance as equal numbers. Apparently with the Force, balance is not having the Sith present to corrupt and use the Force for evil. So when Vader and Palps went, so did the unbalance.
As to balance now? Who knows. They sort of touch on it in the first trailer. With Rey saying she see’s the dark, light, and the balance; followed by Luke stating there is so much more.
I have a feeling we’re about to get a serious retcon to the Force in VIII and IX. Lucas kept it fairly simple, but LFL wants the Force to extend beyond the Jedi and the Sith and the rigorous rules that are still so vague put in place by the Prequels and Original Trilogy.
I suppose it could be said the Sith were so extreme and after maximum power that the force becomes unbalanced, when compared to other dark-side users like the Witches of Dathomir. Compared to the scale of Palpatine they were small fry and only unbalanced the force locally.
Potentially. We’ll have to see. I’m not even going to hazard a guess, I just know LFL has been pushing a broader view of the Force since Rebels came out. I just have a feeling there’s going to be paradigm shift with what we know about the Force, Force users, and a bunch of other shit.
Anakin was. That’s confirmed.
I’m so glad that I am not the only one who thinks that. Personally, I think that would have been a better story line, and it didn’t mess up the whole point of the first 6 movies.
I have to agree for the most part. Don’t get me wrong- I LOVE the new trilogy and am glad we got it, but I definitely think we didn’t get the optimal continuation of the OT story. If/when there is a fourth trilogy, I sincerely hope it is a more refined version of the galactic invasion storyline. I do not want a Second Order or New Sith Order. Lets get a bad guy that isn’t a revitalization of an older bad guy. I still have some minor hope that snoke is the vanguard of some Vong-like creatures ready to invade and that is where all these FO resources are coming from.
I have to agree for the most part. Don’t get me wrong- I LOVE the new trilogy and am glad we got it, but I definitely think we didn’t get the optimal continuation of the OT story. If/when there is a fourth trilogy, I sincerely hope it is a more refined version of the galactic invasion storyline. I do not want a Second Order or New Sith Order. Lets get a bad guy that isn’t a revitalization of an older bad guy. I still have some minor hope that snoke is the vanguard of some Vong-like creatures ready to invade and that is where all these FO resources are coming from.
I have a theory that Luke sees Rey as another Anakin due to an out of control midichlorian count and that she must be stopped before she turns dark making Luke the unexpected antagonist of the story. Or the good guy doing bad in the belief he is doing right. That would clear up the unbelievable powers she had in TFA anyway.
Okay, I will.
The Yuuzhan Vong were stupid as hell.
Rey is probably talking to Luke in the Trailer but who is Kylo talking to? Could he be talking to Luke or Leia? They certainly have a past together.
Himself.
Could be or another conversation with Grandfather’s mask or Grandfather’s force ghost.
He might be speaking to Rey for all we know at this point. As if he were trying to advise or inspire . The tone doesn’t sound to me as if he were simply repeating some rhetoric that had been drilled into his mind.
He could absolutely be talking to Rey but I don’t see them putting something that pivotal in the trailer. They’ve established a pattern with TFA and R1 of using dialogue that’s not even in the movie.
Lots of misdirection here, obviously – or could our assumed thoughts of them being misdirections be a misdirection? As in, they WANT us to think these are simple misdirections when they actually aren’t. Just a thought.
Nevertheless, it looks like it’s going to be better than TFA at least.
It really looks good. Can’t wait for it to come out!!!
A little bit of mystic thoughts : Star wars has always been strongly influenced by buddhism (at least the OT). The Buddha experienced both excesses : excessive pleasures and egoism as a prince (the Sith way) and asceticism/rejection of feelings (the Jedi way), before understanding they’re both wrong and finding illumination in the “Way of the Middle”. My thought is that Snoke and Luke represent each side, but it is their pupils (Rey and Kylo) who will finally converge towards a grayer middle way and find peace together.
Besides that, the movie looks gorgeous, especially regarding the choice of colors. I’m confident and totally hyped !
That’s precisely my thoughts. At both ends of the spectrum is Luke and Snoke (good and evil), and somewhere in the middle is Rey and Kylo Ren.
I feel The Last Jedi is setting us up for the final confrontation between Luke and Snoke (in Episode IX), and both of them will fall.
That thought occured to me as well. Rey and Kylo will both abandon (or be rejected by) their masters. They then _meet in the middle_ between Light and Dark, forging a new path.
True, but people from other faiths can say, “….yeah, that’s what I believe about good an evil…”. Especially when one talks of redemption. That’s why the Star Wars movies are so universal and cut across many cultures. Lucas was a genius on how he set up his universe.
Anyone notice the blood on Luke’s lips here? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0ac46e6efb886c59d86b514d334c872f5522cbebb6787558982a3dc4a5777086.png
It’s maybe from the back flash, which also Rey had – the Knights of Ren in the Rain?
I still wonder, wether all what Rey saw in the Vision in TFA was a back flash… Some of those things might also lie in the future !?
Just looks like rainwater. He’s completely soaked.
The different sides characters.
I have my own theory, lets talk about archetypes as different sides of the basically same source character, and how are they related to generations. Star Wars was created by Babyboomers, the second trilogy jumped X Generation and they were the main audience, may be that is the problem they had with it.
Best example:
Luke/Leia, explain it well, basically the same archetype, different paths, it is more complex, the twin suns of Tatooine is simbolic. Babyboomers. Better call Saul.
Vader/Anakin/C3PO/Lando, don´t know why this fixation of Lucasfilm with this generation, baby boomers are so obsessed with their previous generation, it seems.
ObiWan/R2D2, same archetype.
Chew is alone, for the moment, may be DJ will change that.
Captain Phasma, secondary character and XGeneration, demonstrates how Babyboomers in StarWars invested too much time in the Silent Generation, the previous, but not in X…
Poe/BB8/Kanaan, Xgeneration, Star Wars second trilogy jumped back when they have had to explain them.
KyloRen/Hux, Millenial, 2 sides of same character. Clearly he is Jax from Sons of Anarchy.
Rey/Ezra, Millenial, this trilogy is mainly about millenials and late X Generation as Poe. If you think about it the main complain of Millenials in SW is that Babyboomers took more care of their parents than of them, abandoned in Jakku or to an uncle.
Finn, He should be Z not clear.
I had all this clear until today, watching the trailer I realied Han Solo and Snoke are the 2 sides of the same archetype:
HanSolo/CaptainRex/Snoke, Babyboomers, I believe Han Solo/Snoke is the same transformation you could see in Breaking Bad from Walter White to Heissenberg, Snoke just need a good hat.
I apologize in advance for this weird funny analisys.
I have trouble hearing the first of Kylo Ren’s lines.
It sounds like this:
“For the past day.
Kill it.
If you have to.
That’s the only way to become what you’re meant to be.”
That doesn’t make much sense… What is he saying, exactly?
He says “let the past die. Kill it. If you have to. That’s the only way to become what you’re meant to be”
I’m guessing that means the past is his family and he is going to kill it to become fully a master of the dark side.
Makes much more sense. Thanks a lot!
Your welcome
“Let the past die” and we see him crushing his helmet. It might be that another past dies here. No more Kylo REN ?!
I was thinking that too. It has like dual meaning
Or, if you buy the way the trailer is edited as reflecting an honest dynamic in the film, he’s talking to Rey.
Yes. I think this will be the best Star Wars movie of all time. It has everything and more. Luke climbing out of the ashes looked awesome and seeing mark hamill portraying him now is so unreal. I can’t wait to see him and Rey training. Kylo looks even more evil and I do think he will kill leia in that scene or maybe not. The part with him and Rey talking may be the big twist scene they keep teasing. Like Vader and Luke’s showdown. No rey. I am your brother…And the snoke seducing Rey part looks epic. I’m so ready for the The last Jedi!! Need to buy tickets now!
So far, we haven’t had a woman lead villain in Star Wars. Could it be that Rey is on the path to the dark side and Kylo Ren is going to the light? Could be the big twist they’re talking about….
Well, you have Phasma.
I don’t think he meant comic relief 😀
Yeah, but I mean more of sith/empress lead role…..
I’m still thinking Rey is something to do with Palpatine, a product of his making that he was unable to complete.
Though somehow I just can’t see them going dark with Rey.
My dog says that once you go dark you never go bark.
I think this too. People always laugh me off.
We’ll have the last laugh…..
From what we have been lead to believe the escape occurs very early in the movie. So Leia is on the command ship as the Resistance is escaping. We later see on Crait Leia standing inside the blast doors. So she must survive the space battle to make it to Crait. The cuts back and forth between Kylo and Leia could be parts of totally different scenes.
Or Kylo doesn’t manage to kill his mother. After all he is connected to her through the force … and feels her emotions or thoughts … something that was not the case while killing Han.
He doesn’t wear his mask while in the Silencer. He may have crushed it earlier – “Let the past die”. Or he crushes it after failing to kill Leia. He doesn’t seem to wear it on Crait either.
Or… you are right and it’s all misdirection. The crew on the rebel cruiser in the background behind General Organa does not seem to be as busy as in a space fight and near destruction. No ships or laser beams cross the star background.
… Well we just have to wait for the answers ^^
If Snoke has Rey locked in a force grip at 2:00 and he is not a Sith, then what is he? I’d like to see him come from a secret ancient order of dark force wielders out side of the Sith order that Palpitine also belonged to.
Oh. Duh! I just realized the secret order I am talking about is called the First. Now it all makes sense.
Good trailer! Is it me or did Chewie look all CGI’d? He reminded me of the mask I bought my kids…I really think so much misdirection. High hopes on this movie!
To me he definitely looked younger and I felt like I noticed the costume more in that particular shot
I swear Chewie from 1977 looked better or something. Maybe I’m just nuts!
Maybe its just a symptom of HD and big screens that we can see through practical effects a bit better than we could in 1977.
good point, everything looks so strange on the ultra 4k!
No reason to CGI Chewie just sitting in the Falcon when you have a guy in costume who is completely real. Only if Chewie was doing something impossible to film on set would a CGI Chewie be used. He probably looks different because his eyes are wide in that shot, which is an uncommon thing with the character.
agreed, just something looked different.
Who cares – look at that PORG!!
lol
So Snoke is going to “inject” the dark side into Rey.
Anyone ever see “The Exorcist?”
This means that in Episode 9 Luke will make the ultimate sacrifice and take the “Dark Side Demon” out of Rey, and then he will take himself out.
You youngsters, watch “The Excorcist” to see what I’m talking about. You can see this coming from a mile away.
I think this is going to be very aesthetically pleasing movie, even by Star Wars standards. I especially like the shot of the huge walkers lined up. That looks just gorgeous!
Good spot
The trailer was pretty good. Much better than the first one, but not better than TFA teaser 2 imo (which is one of the best, if not the best movie trailer of all time).
December can’t come early enough…
Hard to believe it’s already been two years since TFA.
Opening line sounds too much like Gollum in lotr. Give it to us RAW and wriggling!
Serkis fatigue.
Does no one else realise that the Porg is basically a fill-in for the fan-favourite that was Han Solo? Hard to believe that’s he’s been replaced by a Porg…
So the Porg is piloting the Falcon?
No, but a porg is going to marry Leia.
Yeah! Chewie fitted some little controls, or its force sensitive and pilots through the force….
Have to say, with all the seriousness of this movie, it could certainly benefit with some of these little porgs.
This reminds me of Empire Strikes back. Crait is to me as Hoth was in the Empire. Rebel base … At-Ats, chicken walkers. same thing used as land speeders. A planet where Luke came to train with Yoda now its Luke and Rey… come on they are rehashing the fucking old 3 movies… I bet the next movie will be an exact clone of Return of the Jedi.
In my experience, there’s no such thing as Luck.
Good gravy. Here we go…
GLORIOUS!!!! The misdirections in this trailer are very well done and edited, kudos to whoever made the trailer.
I think Rey is going to be identified as the most powerful force use ever and that Luke is going to try and kill her in order to protect the universe from her in case she turns to the dark side.
I love this all series.
Waiting for next part..zingalalaa.com
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