Three Rumors About Finn.

FinnCinelinx recently posted a report compiling three rumors about Finn, John Boyega’s character in Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens. Detailed after the jump are some potential leads on his name, how he’s able to use a lightsaber, and who he reports to.

 

Some spoilers ahead.

 

The first rumor is one that many have already come to suspect – “Finn” is a name derived from his Stormtrooper designation, “FN-2187”. However, the writers at Cinelinx take this a step further and add that he apparently does not have a surname at all (as far as this particular movie goes, anyway). The idea is that Finn doesn’t remember his birth name – and it’s believed that this is because he was recruited by the First Order at a very young age.

 

ralph-mcquarrie-stormtrooper1The second rumor explains how Finn knows how to use a lightsaber. The First Order military apparently believe in making use of more “civilized weapons” than mere blasters, because Finn’s military training involved a few lessons with lightsaber-esque weapons and shields. A neat little throwback to a famous piece of concept art by Ralph McQuarrie. It should be noted that only some Stormtroopers are trained with sword and shield – they’re not necessarily standard-issue.

 

The third rumor involves who Finn reports to – namely, Captain Phasma. Apparently, FN-2187 is meant to be her protege of sorts, which would explain why she takes interest more in where he is than other individual Stormtroopers. So if that’s the case, Finn ditching the army is most likely seen as an extremely dire situation by the First Order, and Captain Phasma would have a personal reason to lead a manhunt against her former pupil. On another note, if Finn trained with a laser sword under her, this would also likely imply that Captain Phasma really does have her own lightsaber after all, even though we’ve heard nothing about that rumored plot thread in a long while.

 

PhasmaThanks again for Cinelinx writer Jordan Maison for the information. Stay tuned to Star Wars News Net for more news on everything concerning the Galaxy Far, Far Away.

 

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Grant has been a fan of Star Wars for as long as he can remember, having seen every movie on the big screen. When he’s not hard at work with his college studies, he keeps himself busy by reporting on all kinds of Star Wars news for SWNN and general movie news on the sister site, Movie News Net. He served as a frequent commentator on SWNN’s The Resistance Broadcast.

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Grant has been a fan of Star Wars for as long as he can remember, having seen every movie on the big screen. When he’s not hard at work with his college studies, he keeps himself busy by reporting on all kinds of Star Wars news for SWNN and general movie news on the sister site, Movie News Net. He served as a frequent commentator on SWNN’s The Resistance Broadcast.

156 thoughts on “Three Rumors About Finn.

  • October 2, 2015 at 2:57 am
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    Interesting! We have all been assuming Finn is a Jedi- but this puts an interesting spin on things…I hope ALL stormtroopers don’t have lightsabers though…that night cheapen them a bit. But I like the idea of having saber-troopers like the original artwork. This also lends credence to the rumors of phasma having a saber and the rumors of seeing multiple red lightsabers in the film. I buy it personally. I’m also just releaved that Finn is not related to mace windu or lando…that would just be dumb and racist.

    • October 2, 2015 at 6:29 am
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      Finn is not a Jedi, Han, Maz Kanata persuade him to use the light sabre against Kylo to finally get Rey to accepted her destiny and she swoops in to battle off Kylo Ren

  • October 2, 2015 at 3:17 am
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    Ah, this would be a fresh inclusion for the plot! I hope these rumors are true, as it’s a welcome dynamic!

  • October 2, 2015 at 3:23 am
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    I jizz every time I see that lightsaber. Looks so good.

  • October 2, 2015 at 3:28 am
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    “because he was *recruited* by the First Order at a very young age.” Heh… I figured the more correct term would’ve been “conscripted”, but maybe you’re on to something. If he has Force-sensitivity (which I’m one to believe he does), then it could stand that some event which displayed his talent led First Order recruiters, possibly Phasma herself, to notice him. I do almost wonder if this would create some sort of subtle power struggle between the KoR and the First Order. On that note though, have we heard anything either for or against Phasma being part of the KoR?

  • October 2, 2015 at 3:45 am
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    Phasma must have a lightsaber!!! The chrome suit requires it!

    • October 2, 2015 at 6:11 am
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      Sexy modulated female voice: “I have been trained in your Jedi arts.”

  • October 2, 2015 at 3:50 am
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    Oh wow I like the idea of Finn being Captain Phasma’s protege… That could lead to some interesting confrontations down the line and opens the door for Finn perhaps turning her against the First Order, which would be pretty awesome.

  • October 2, 2015 at 4:00 am
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    I call BS on all stormtroopers having lightsabers.

    Its either made up, or a misunderstanding based on someone seeing a limited number of elites with sabers.

    I can buy that force sensitive recruits would be trained into an elite force and get sabers… I cant buy taht all stormies would have them.

    • October 2, 2015 at 4:03 am
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      Stormtroopers don’t carry lightsabers. Elite soldiers trained using swords and shields, so it explains how Finn knows how to handle a melee weapon. Phasma might be the only one who carries an actual lightsaber. The thought is that its some sort of nod to old concept art.

      • October 2, 2015 at 4:19 am
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        Rebels is one big nod to old concept art.

      • October 2, 2015 at 12:01 pm
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        actually in Star Wars: Uprising, which is cannon, their is soemthing like imperial infantry, with stormtroopers carrying shields and some sort of laser swords so yeaah

    • October 2, 2015 at 4:52 am
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      Just like all soldiers can’t be Navy Seals due to the mental and physical requirements. Only stormtroopers with the Force aptitude would be trained in the ways of lightsabre combat and forged into an elite fighting force.

  • October 2, 2015 at 4:01 am
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    Sweet! This would be refreshing. I guess Boyegas comments about Finn’s story being one we havent seen before were spot on. I like this defecting storyline, he must be an important character. Sounds like Finn is the badass, Rey is the Jedi and Poe is the charming hot shot pilot. I could dig that.

  • October 2, 2015 at 4:18 am
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    I had a feeling Disney wasn’t done mining McQuarrie for ideas…

  • October 2, 2015 at 4:24 am
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    I would honestly love all of this.

  • October 2, 2015 at 4:35 am
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    Sounds cool. Phasma with a lightsaber, total badass. She’ll most likely make it into Episode IX where she’ll be involved in an epic dual. These rumours add weight to Finn not being a Jedi. Rey is the Skywalker of the ST. Can’t see the story focussing on two Jedi’s in training, too much of a similar story arc. We’ve seen Finn with a lightsaber in both the poster and the latest teaser, yet Boyega has never stated he’s a Jedi.

    • October 2, 2015 at 1:56 pm
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      That’s what I’ve been saying, and there are some hardcore Finn fans who’ve been vehemently and insultingly arguing with me about it. To me that makes perfect sense without his race having anything to do with it, yet I’ve been called racist for saying this exact thing. It’s ridiculous. Ironically, I’m a big fan of Boyega’s casting.

      • October 2, 2015 at 2:32 pm
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        Nothing racist in believing Finn is not a Jedi, not colour of skin related. Never got the vibe he would be a Jedi. Central hero yes, Jedi no. If I said Phasma will not be taking her helmet off in TFA, does that make me a misogynist? Of course not. Boyega will return in Episode VIII, no one goes through a 7 month audition process unless their role is recurring.

      • October 2, 2015 at 3:46 pm
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        I still think there is a reason why we won’t know who Finn’s parents are until later in the trilogy. That may be connected to him being a force user or not. I agree though that the latest rumors point to him not being force sensitive and Rey being a Skywalker.

        • October 2, 2015 at 4:10 pm
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          I think he might actually be somewhat force sensitive, but not become a Jedi. Much like Leia seems to have never become a Jedi, but I’m guessing she does still use her force sensitivity a little bit to help making decisions while commanding battles and such.

        • October 2, 2015 at 8:08 pm
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          Personally think his lack of surname holds little significance. Last thing I want to see is his parents were prominent in the SW universe. A little backstory explaining why he joined the First Order is more than enough. Likewise with Phasma, out of all the characters she interests me the most. Really don’t want to hear about her backstory. Leave it up to our imagination.

  • October 2, 2015 at 4:53 am
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    SPECULATION TIME!! Anyone else hear the Phasma helmet toy where she says “Fire, FN-2187” So…is she telling Finn to fire upon a villager in the first part of the film and he refuses?? OR… he hesitates then is forced to do it then regrets it later on when he takes off his bloody helmet (as seen in the trailer)

    • October 2, 2015 at 6:24 am
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      She later asks him to turn his weapon in in another quote, I think he refuses outright.

      • October 2, 2015 at 1:43 pm
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        I think he pretends his weapon is jammed or somehow unable to fire. Hence the next line “submit your weapon for inspection.”

      • October 2, 2015 at 1:53 pm
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        Or maybe he switched it to the stun setting, so he can look like he’s following orders without actually killing anyone.

        • October 2, 2015 at 3:32 pm
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          Anyway, it is clear that Phasma gives Finn an order and Finn hesitates to follow it. My only problem with that explanation is that Finn, having been raised in the First Order since he was a little child, should have been heavily indoctrinated and should be totally loyal to Phasma. It is unclear why he has a change of heart. Maybe it has something to do with the “awakening” ?

        • October 2, 2015 at 6:43 pm
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          But doesn’t the stun setting look a large blue rings instead of red bolts?

    • October 2, 2015 at 1:51 pm
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      I’m assuming it’s something along this line, yeah. Probably his first time having to kill innocents, and he has a bit of an “awakening” to the evil of the First Order.

  • October 2, 2015 at 4:59 am
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    Guys, I’d just like to say that we owe a debt of gratitude to the people who maintain this site. Regardless of how the film turns out, what has gone into making this a respectable source of info leading up to release commands our respect. Entities like this histakes extreme amounts of effort and we shou be grateful. And I’m going to everything iI can to see that the name “Viral Hide” mKes it isn’t Star Wars canon.

  • October 2, 2015 at 5:05 am
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    Anyone notice that Finn and Poe are wearing the same jacket?

    • October 2, 2015 at 5:16 am
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      Yeah, The rumor is that Poe gives it to Finn after he takes off his stormtrooper armor and needs some new gear

      • October 2, 2015 at 6:12 am
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        Poe
        ” You can fire an FO-117 with laser accuracy but you can’t fly an X-Wing?”

        Finn
        “I wasn’t trained to fly!”

    • October 2, 2015 at 5:55 am
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      Literally.

    • October 2, 2015 at 11:05 am
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      Where’ve you been? It’s been leaked long ago that after Finn and Poe crash land a TIE Fighter on Jakku, Finn takes Poe’s clothes believing Poe to be either dead or unconscious.

  • October 2, 2015 at 5:09 am
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    When Ralph McQuarrie scetched that picture of the Stormtrooper with the lightsaber, I wonder if he ever envisioned someone like John Boyega inside it.

    I’m guessing not. As such, Disney would have been wise to have followed McQuarries lead here as well.

    • October 2, 2015 at 5:11 am
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      What do you mean “someone like Boyega”?

    • October 2, 2015 at 5:13 am
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      lol Boys and girls, I present to you, a racist.

      • October 2, 2015 at 5:23 am
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        Lol I know. The original comment doesn’t even make sense.

      • October 2, 2015 at 5:55 am
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        The comment was so absurd I have to believe it
        was a parody of a racist.

    • October 2, 2015 at 6:01 am
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      Disgusting bigot. You should be ashamed.

      • October 2, 2015 at 6:15 am
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        I think he means human vs alien

      • October 5, 2015 at 6:20 pm
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        For what? He’s probably right in what he said.

    • October 2, 2015 at 6:06 am
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      I doubt Ralph McQuarrie gave a fuck. And neither should you or anyone else.

      • October 2, 2015 at 6:34 am
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        I guess it doesn’t matter now… huh? This is what you’re getting… racist pr^%k

        • October 2, 2015 at 6:36 am
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          Enjoy…. better yet… stay home in your parent’s basement and ruminate!

          • October 2, 2015 at 10:15 am
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            sorry I was replying to Merle not crixxx lol

        • October 2, 2015 at 6:38 am
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          No, dipshit. It shouldn’t matter what race an actor is. People who do think it matters are the racists.

          • October 5, 2015 at 6:19 pm
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            I’m just waiting for africa and asia to have 30% white actors in their movies too. It must be even. Try telling them that race doesn’t matter.

          • October 6, 2015 at 12:54 am
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            It’s not about filling percentage quotas. It’s not about what people do in other countries. It’s about choosing the best people for the roles. And some people in this country still have a hard time accepting that in certain films, the best person is not a white person.

          • October 6, 2015 at 4:38 am
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            Yeah, one lady talking about the UK TV industry apparently represents all of Hollywood and every casting decision made there. Ok…

            Getting rid of white people? Please. Hiring non-whites in movies equates to eradicating all white people from the movies? Whatever. White people have no entitlement to star in every movie ever made. Yet you think that the hiring of a black actor is somehow an affront to what is rightfully a white entitlement? What bullshit.

  • October 2, 2015 at 5:45 am
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    If I wasn’t before…. I’m now officially peeing my pants with enthusiasm …. Awesome!

  • October 2, 2015 at 5:50 am
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    “Great. Trailer?”
    ~~Most of the comments

    • October 2, 2015 at 6:04 am
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      If the assumptions are correct, then it may be shown in Amsterdam in October 7th.

      • October 2, 2015 at 11:54 am
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        youre in for disappointment, its phrased “featurette” which probably means some behind the scenes fottage and JJ blabling about practical effects and some crew members saying how excited they are to be a part of SW. blah

        • October 2, 2015 at 12:38 pm
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          Come on, it may be an exclusive look at a scene, don’t be pessimistic.

    • October 2, 2015 at 6:18 am
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      Oct 16th.

  • October 2, 2015 at 6:10 am
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    It would make sense for troopers to be equipped with a saber as a tool more than a combat weapon. Slicing through doors and walls would come handy in a raid or ground assault. It’s safer, more discreet and more precise than blasting through with explosives.

  • October 2, 2015 at 6:20 am
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    A Stars Wars super fan posted a detailed description of The Force Awakens based on everything we know so far about the movie and spoilers, very interesting read, I would have to say 75-85% is pretty believable

    • October 2, 2015 at 6:23 am
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      My question is, if they’re only releasing toys and images from the first third of the film, the full trailer may contain nothing more than stuff we’ve already seen.

      • October 2, 2015 at 6:53 am
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        They don’t want to release The First Orders super weapon, or Rey wielding a light sabre, or other knights of Ren, or Leader Snoke yet, even Luke and Leia, these toys will come in December or January

        • October 2, 2015 at 7:38 am
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          Exactly, then why even release a third trailer at all?

          • October 2, 2015 at 8:54 am
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            Maybe to show more of the plot without showing any major spoiler?

      • October 2, 2015 at 6:38 pm
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        They didn’t say that they WOULDN’T release images beyond the first third. They just said that all the toys so far are drawn from the first third of the movie OR stuff we have already seen in the trailer. I am 100% confident the scene of Finn and Kylo squaring off to duel is in the last act of the film. So there is plenty more to show in the trailer. I even bet we get a 5 second flash of luke in the trailer, like how ‘The Vision’ was teased in the Age of Ultron trailer.

        • October 2, 2015 at 7:21 pm
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          There’s no reason to believe Finn and Kylo are dueling. It’s simply two characters with weapons edited together for effect. Just because they share an apparent location doesn’t mean a thing. Kylo could have been simply drawing his light saber [which is what he appears to be to be doing rather than confronting someone directly.]

          And pretty much every Star Wars film has had two trailers. Why would they break with tradition by releasing a third?

          • October 2, 2015 at 7:39 pm
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            True, I still believe they will wind up dueling but I could see it going either way since we never see them in-frame together. The point was that I think the “first third” is the cash and escape from Jakku. I think all the snow planet scenes are from a latter portion of the movie. They never said we haven’t seen anything beyond the first third, just that the toys draw from the 2 teaser trailers and first third of the movie so as not to spoil too much.

            As for trailers, we have already broken tradition as previous star wars have had 1 teaser and 1 trailer (the prequels had TV spots but those don’t count) both of the released trailers have been ‘teasers’ and JJ said the full trailer would premiere in the fall- so its confirmed we are getting at least one more.

  • October 2, 2015 at 6:42 am
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    Luke’s blue sabre is hidden in Poe’s droid BB8, his xwing gets shot down by a tie fighter on Jakuu and that’s how Rey and Finn meet BB8, Poe is taken hostage on a star destroyer

    • October 2, 2015 at 6:58 am
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      For now these are rumors and nothing more. Come December, all of these could just as easily be completely false as they could be completely true.

      • October 2, 2015 at 7:00 am
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        If you don’t mind reading spoilers, Google Star Wars super fan, and read his take on the whole movie, sounds like a legit plot and interesting read

        • October 2, 2015 at 3:01 pm
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          Impressive, most impressive 🙂

      • October 2, 2015 at 3:00 pm
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        Hmm, completely true or completely false – only a Sith deals in absolutes… such as “I am immune to the light”..?

  • October 2, 2015 at 7:03 am
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    I dont like the idea of Everyone and their mom having a lightsaber .

  • October 2, 2015 at 7:11 am
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    I think the only ones that will wield a light sabre are the Knights of Ren, Luke, Rey and Snoke

    • October 2, 2015 at 9:09 am
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      but thats not true because you see finn with a lightsaber so finn is on that list

  • October 2, 2015 at 8:35 am
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    Phasma has a saber even in the artwork above

    • October 2, 2015 at 8:38 am
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      where?

      • October 2, 2015 at 12:05 pm
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        I can’t speak for Remy but as far as I can tell perhaps they thought the Ralph McQuarrie sketch was a Phasma Concept art? Only saber I see up there 🙂

  • October 2, 2015 at 11:11 am
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    Here’s the thing, though – I really don’t see Abrams and Kasdan putting the story in another situation where lightsabers are abundant. I feel as though they’ve realized that the idea of the Jedi was awesome in the OT specifically because they and their weapons (lightabers) were so mysterious and rare. I do NOT think they’d all of a sudden give dozens of run-of-the-mill stormtroopers this special weapon and expect the average moviegoer to believe this weapon was still badass. If everyone has one, then it’s not really special, is it? Otherwise, why would Luke’s Bespin saber be so central to the plot, as we’ve already come to learn? Come on, now.

    • October 2, 2015 at 6:25 pm
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      I think that I agree that having fewer lightsabers is better (though I reserve the right to change my mind). A couple other thoughts to add on to this though:

      1) What if the troopers were given some sort of inferior saber? It would have some sort of inherent deficiency that would make a *real* saber all the more powerful/exciting in comparison. Sort of like the difference between a pocket knife vs. a machete – both will cut things, but the machete is obviously superior in a combat situation.

      I can just imagine a group of storm troopers beating down some rebels with their poser-sabers, when Luke or some other jedi shows up with a *real* saber. I dunno, I feel like something like that would make an overabundance of sabers more tolerable, yet retain the mythic feel lightsabers had in the OT.

      2) In the canon novel Aftermath, I feel like lightsabers are revered – that weird cult is trying to get their hands on Vader’s lightsaber so it can “join him in death.” I have a feeling that whatever course the movie takes, lightsabers owned by jedi will hold a special kind of significance in some way.

      • October 2, 2015 at 7:11 pm
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        When I read Aftermath I had assumed it was Vader’s sabre from the OT. Didn’t occur to me it could be the one Luke inherited and lost. Did the book say what colour the blade is, I can’t remember?

        • October 2, 2015 at 7:21 pm
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          I think you read it correctly – sorry if my own post confused the issue. They weren’t sure if it *was* Vader’s saber from the OT, but they did specifically say that it was a red blade, which was the reason they thought his saber might be Vader’s.

          • October 2, 2015 at 11:59 pm
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            Ah thanks. That rules it out as the sabre that turns up in VII then.

            ** Spoiler Alert (Aftermath) ***

            If the blade is red then it’s almost certainly Vader’s OT weapon. However, you have to wonder why that scene was included in the novel. Makes me think it might turn up later, despite the fact they said they would destroy it.

      • October 3, 2015 at 12:49 am
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        and I would continue to ask: for what purpose would e7 stormtroopers have lightsabers? are there lightsabers a common weapon now? Because I see no other excuse to give them swords now, after so many years. Only if their everyday adversaries have it too. Otherwise it’ s just nonsense. In past it was exclusively a jedi weapon, a defensive weapon. Are STORMtroopers a defense force now?

        • October 3, 2015 at 4:05 pm
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          Snoke is the supposed head of this first order. Snoke knows there is an awakening coming. So he recruits force sensitive children and enlist them in a lets say special forces like group of stormtroopers headed by the force sensitive or force powerful Captain Phasma. So if Jedi do arise he has an army of force using soldiers to combat them along with Kylo and the other Knights of Ren. Captain Phasma is shrouded in mystery too. We know more about Kylo than Captain Phasma. I wouldn’t be surprised if Captain Phasma is also part of the Knights of Ren. That long black and Red cape she wears has me thinking of a Dark Force user. The other Captains or ranking officers who are storm troopers just have a red kind of shoulder pad on their right shoulder. She is the only one with a long dark cape. Like Vader

        • October 5, 2015 at 8:06 pm
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          I don’t think they NEED lightsabers. I also think that the formula for stormtroopers to be successful had not been found as of ROtJ. The use of melee weapons + huge shields (as seen in the concept art, as well as in the canon mobile game Star Wars Uprising) might be an attempt to make at least some of the troopers more effective.

          And, why would they need enemies who have them as well? If you have a weapon your enemy is unprepared to deal with, you probably win the fight. That said – if they expect Luke to start training Jedi, it seems (to me) that they DO have enemies who have sabers.

          It’s all speculation on my part, obviously. I think that the inclusion of lightsabers on stormtoopers could be very cool, if done the “right” way, but it could also be awful. Maybe they shouldn’t take the risk – seems like a lot of people don’t like the idea.

          But, lots of people don’t like the idea of change until they see it in action, and decide that the change is worthwhile. I could honestly go either way, but I don’t think the idea an obvious fail 🙂

    • October 2, 2015 at 6:29 pm
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      My thoughts exactly. If the stormtoopers aim with a lightsaber is as bad as with a blaster then they will do way more harm than good. I don’t want the lightsaber to be de-valued. Its bad enough that now there are tons of hilt and color variants, but now STORMTROOPERS get them. So much for “the weapon of a jedi”. I’m ok with a small elite team like the Knights of Ren all having sabers, but don’t give them to comon folk. My hope is that troopers are trained in melee combat as part of their training, but are not necessarily equipped with sabers as a standard issue.

    • October 2, 2015 at 7:04 pm
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      I couldn’t agree more, but I don’t think he will have a light-saber, if there is any stock in this rumor at all, I hope that the Stormtroopers will carry something more like the Darksaber that was used by the Mandalorians in The Clone Wars TV show.

      • October 3, 2015 at 12:00 am
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        Shouldn’t they call that a “Dark-Sabre”?

  • October 2, 2015 at 11:43 am
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    It seems that the new movie will be about phoneys and wannabe Sith and Jedi that will try to either relive their glorious past or try and survive and preserve their respective culture. By the end of the movie we will be so thrirsty of actually seeing a true Jedi and Sith that JJ will stuff us with some cameo time of Luke in the very last minute. That’s my belief anyway.

    The Galaxy is aimed to be vacant of Force users, hence the Awakening, we have all established that.

    I think JJ will try to send a message to the fans that “the Galaxy needs true Jedi and Sith,, come and be them”- sort of thing so that sales of tickets and toys go way up. Leave it to JJ to make an entire movie with in-built commercial plots.

    I don’t mind, as long as the story is good of course.

    • October 2, 2015 at 11:46 am
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      No Sith : Knights of Ren

      • October 2, 2015 at 12:26 pm
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        A Sith will appear by the end of TFA, that’s my bet.

        • October 2, 2015 at 6:27 pm
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          Maybe the Knights of Ren are a militant faction of force-users, but they don’t know that their leader is actually a Sith, or even fully realize how far down the dark path he’s taken them?

          • October 3, 2015 at 5:52 pm
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            Also possible. It seems JJ is eager to blur a bit the archaic SW formula Good vs Evil. I hope he will bring a SWTOR feeling where you can play both sides, kina humanizing the First Order, make them appear distinct and doing their evil thing but from their point of view its the right thing all along.

      • October 2, 2015 at 10:44 pm
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        I think the Knights of Ren might be a branch of Sith. On one of the Tops trading cards or something of that nature he is listed as Sith.

    • October 2, 2015 at 12:06 pm
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      Only Luke is true Jedi and no Sith, until Benecio DelToro character in next episode.

      • October 2, 2015 at 12:28 pm
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        We don’t know Rey’s deal. She seems trained in the ways of the Jedi but not force sensitive. Her powers might awaken in TFA. Don’t rush to fast assumptions, for the first time in 30 years we actually don’t know how a Star Wars movie will end.

        • October 2, 2015 at 2:56 pm
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          Both Rey and Finn are shaping up as ignorant of their *true* abilities…

          • October 3, 2015 at 1:31 am
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            I’m almost certain that Finn is not Force sensitive but we will see. Rey is iffy as well on that front. We only know of Luke and Kylo as definite force users. We need a trailer, not teasers.

    • October 2, 2015 at 10:42 pm
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      “The Galaxy is aimed to be vacant of Force users, hence the Awakening, we have all established that.”

      Where was that established? Who or what has officially stated this as fact?

      • October 3, 2015 at 5:49 pm
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        If the Force Awakens then it can be deduced that there are no force users active until that point. Kylo Ren may start his rampage after the Awakening. And I said “established” as in “it is the dominant theory so far”.

  • October 2, 2015 at 1:00 pm
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    lightsabers, shields and stormtroopers belongs to one single place – the Ralp McQuarrie concept art. It has no logic whatsoever inside the already builded Star Wars universe. They made the swords to be exclusively jedi weapon primary used to deflect shots – as self defence. Stormtroopers are made as assault force and there are no one else to fight with the lightsabers anyway – so if the rumor is true it´s been made for one single reason – to justify Finn´s 15 second with lightsaber against Kylo Ren. To me that´s the stupidest thing so far they would do. Besides more than 30 years I was convinced that effectively fight with a lightsaber is something only a trained FORCE USER can do.

    • October 2, 2015 at 1:29 pm
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      General Grievous was not. a force user, but was a skilled lightsaber user nonetheless.

      • October 2, 2015 at 2:22 pm
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        Program installed by Dooku

      • October 2, 2015 at 3:21 pm
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        He had roboticly enhanced reflexes. Its no substitute for the force, but it helped correct for his lack of precognition. Also, we saw in his battle against obi-wan that force users wtih lightsabers make short work of non-force users with lightsabers.

        • October 2, 2015 at 10:35 pm
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          Kylo Ren is also not a trained Jedi/Sith, he just wants to be.

          • October 2, 2015 at 10:48 pm
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            He may not be Sith, but he looks trained in using the dark side of the force. And his leader/master Snoke looks pretty powerful himself.

        • October 3, 2015 at 12:40 am
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          That’s even more lame TBH. Robots with lightsabers are easy.

    • October 2, 2015 at 6:30 pm
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      THIS.
      Ep.7 = worst Star Wars ever.

      • October 3, 2015 at 12:26 am
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        focus on practical effects…plus silent trailers with none of the characters talking coupled with nonexistent story details…could very well be

    • October 2, 2015 at 10:39 pm
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      With all due respect, just because your were convinced that only force users could use lightsabers doesn’t make it so, unless stated somewhere in canon. Lightsabers are not exclusive to the Jedi as the Sith use them as well. I feel like people are going to be stuck thinking that this movie needs to be a certain way because of their expectations. It’s been 30 years since the events of ROTJ, I suspect things have changed and I personally hope they have. I want to see expansion on the lore that has been set up by the previous films.

      • October 2, 2015 at 10:49 pm
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        Things had not changed that much from ROTS to ANH…

        • October 2, 2015 at 11:06 pm
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          I beg to differ my good man……

          Practically no Jedi due to the Jedi Purge.
          Fall of the Republic and democracy.
          Rise of the Empire and dictatorship.
          No more use of clones.

    • October 3, 2015 at 12:52 am
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      Actually George Lucas also wanted to have the Stormtroopers equipped with laser swords until late in the process. That’s why McQuarrie drew it up that way.

      The short tube on the back of the Stormtrooper uniform is a remnant of that, and shows how late in the production process that idea got. (See Chris Taylor, How Star Wars Conquered the Universe).

  • October 2, 2015 at 1:19 pm
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    The rumors make sense, but again, they are just rumors. I like the idea though that Finn doesn’t know his real name or who his biological parents are.

    • October 2, 2015 at 2:10 pm
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      And that Stormtroopers are trained to use lightsabers and *shields*…

      • October 2, 2015 at 3:26 pm
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        Maybe Finn is not force sensitive after all. What I meant is that it makes sense that Finn may have been abducted as a child by the First Order and might not know his real name. In fact, I can totally imagine a scene where Poe or Rey ask Finn what his name is, Finn replies “FN 2187”, and whoever asked him the question in the first place says something like “let’s call you Finn then”.

        Now, the identity of Finn’s true biological parents may or may not be important in the long run, but I guess we won’t know anything about it until Episode VIII at least.

        • October 2, 2015 at 3:29 pm
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          Finn is bait

          • October 2, 2015 at 3:39 pm
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            I don’t understand what you mean. Are you saying the First Order let him escape on purpose ?

          • October 2, 2015 at 4:35 pm
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            In the same way Vader used the droids/plans to lure Luke out into the open…

          • October 2, 2015 at 6:28 pm
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            It might be, as long as Ep 7 = rebooted Ep 4

  • October 2, 2015 at 2:55 pm
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    Why are Jason Ward and his minions calling Dave Prowse a b***h and professional finger pointer on twitter? Aren’t all a little old to be trolling a Star Wars legend? Thought you were fans?

    • October 2, 2015 at 4:14 pm
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      I just saw that… Jason does some good work, and he seems to be a fan, but he doesn’t exactly strike me as the kind of guy you’d want to sit down and talk Star Wars with.

    • October 2, 2015 at 10:10 pm
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      He is a prick though and pretty much always has been since he’s been involved with Lucasfilm, There’s a legit reason why they’ve cut ties with him. Every Star Wars actor/actress has been pleasant but him that I met and it wasn’t that he had a bad day either since he was like that every single time. Basically he’s the Charlie Sheen of the SW saga personality wise.

  • October 2, 2015 at 4:14 pm
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    2187 huh? Same as Leia’s cell number on the first Death Star…. Coincidence?

    • October 2, 2015 at 4:51 pm
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      that was 1138, a tribute to Lucas’s film THX 1138

      • October 2, 2015 at 4:56 pm
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        1138 was the cell block Luke claimed they were transferring Chewbacca from to get into the detention center.

        2187 was Leia’s cell number…

        • October 2, 2015 at 6:20 pm
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          That was a pretty sitty explanation regarding Finn’s use of the lightsaber. Also, I always think that that first Finn holding the lightsaber picture up above is totally CG, his head looks like it was done on computer. It seems to be rough and out of proportion. Nobody?

          • October 2, 2015 at 6:44 pm
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            Not sure if this was a reply to my comment or the thread, but I wasn’t commenting on Finn’s use of the lightsaber, just the origin and significance of his Stormtrooper designation.

            Either way he does use one and will likely have his ass handed to him by Kylo Ren shortly after he ignites it…

          • October 2, 2015 at 10:24 pm
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            No it wasn´t I just wanted my comment to be as high as possible on the thread.

          • October 6, 2015 at 10:09 pm
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            That’s from the TV spot. It looks normal to me.

    • October 2, 2015 at 5:50 pm
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      Well spotted Wookie2098, I think you just cracked the first easter egg!

      • October 2, 2015 at 6:54 pm
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        BOOM!

  • October 2, 2015 at 7:13 pm
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    Does this now mean that all the first order troopers are clones and that they are all *GASP* black. Boy that would sure turn some of the really racist OT lovers for a twist. Fingers crossed that it happens.

    • October 2, 2015 at 8:00 pm
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      I don’t think they are clones, but it is possible that they are taken from their biological families at a very young age and then indoctrinated to serve the First Order. Since they have no memory of their past lives before being drafted, the First Order is their only family in practice and their designation (like FN 2187) is their name. A little bit like Borg drones, from a certain point of view.

      I don’t know if the rumors are true, but the concept sounds interesting.

      • October 2, 2015 at 8:51 pm
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        Actually, that’s a very interesting concept. We’ve apparently got confirmation that the New Republic has been established, and as I’d imagine, a rudimentary form of the New Jedi Order. It’s the perfect opportunity for the First Order to masquerade as Jedi Masters searching for “force-sensitive” younglings (whether or not they’re actually force-sensitive, since they’re looking for soldiers, not just Sith) to indoctrinate to their cause.

    • October 2, 2015 at 8:05 pm
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      Thor problem would not be the color but to spoil the original story.

      • October 3, 2015 at 12:49 am
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        Might already be too late.

    • October 5, 2015 at 6:15 pm
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      Imagine if it’s worse! What if they’re all white! All you racist anti-whites would go berserk!

      • October 5, 2015 at 8:14 pm
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        As you can tell by my picture, I am also white. So I cannot be anti-white unless I hate myself. (I do not) I was merely poking fun at those who overreacted about a black guy being a Stormtrooper. 1) It’s racist 2) They clearly don’t understand the continuity of Star Wars and the fact that Clone Troopers and Stormtroopers are 2 different groups of people.

        • October 5, 2015 at 8:59 pm
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          Most anti-whites are white.

  • October 2, 2015 at 7:44 pm
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    Phasma dosent have a lightsaber.

    • October 2, 2015 at 8:14 pm
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      Here it is.

      • October 3, 2015 at 12:24 am
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        you are assuming that that isnt reys

      • October 3, 2015 at 10:02 am
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        That was taken from concept art. The majority of designs drawn up in concept art either change before the final version, or don’t get used at all. Most likely, this is just one of the many possible designs they considered for Kylo’s saber.

        • October 13, 2015 at 9:20 pm
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          We’ll know soon.

  • October 2, 2015 at 7:47 pm
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    It’s not so much a rumor as it is minds coming together to find a solution. It’s common psychology. When you have enough attention on a thing, there’s a synergy that happens where the truth becomes more apparent.

  • October 2, 2015 at 8:22 pm
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    If sabers and shields for stormtroopers is what McQuarrie liked, I’m cool with it. However I think these troopers are special and not you standard foot soldier. Maybethey are force sensitive? Maybe the first order are now kiddnapping force sensatives when they’re young and forcing a life of servitude on them. Sounds exciting to me.

  • October 2, 2015 at 10:56 pm
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    I think this is a very cool direction J.J. has taken the character of Finn. I just really hope he is force-sensitive. Finn is the character that I am most anticipating seeing.

  • October 3, 2015 at 12:03 am
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    dont know about you guys, but this exclusive pretty much looks like the concept art of the stormies , shield at least….

  • October 3, 2015 at 4:10 am
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    The past two days have been great for spoilers. First, Rey possibly being a Skywalker and now Fiinn possibly being a nickname for FN 2187. I wish I also knew more about Kylo Ren and Supreme Leader Snoke though.

  • October 3, 2015 at 3:58 pm
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    i hope things dont get too complicated with too many A-HA! moments…

  • October 4, 2015 at 4:22 pm
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    If Finn is really FN 2187, then can Rey be RA XXXX? I think there are still two possibilities for her past; she could be crashed resistance or crashed new order.

  • October 5, 2015 at 2:16 am
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    The idea that some stormtroopers might be trained with lightsabers is a nice nod to Ralph McQarrie’s artwork but does it really make sense? Unless they are force sensitive a lightsaber is practically useless like a sword would be in todays militaries. A force sensitive can block and deflect blaster bolts a non force sensitive using a lightsaber or a sword is going to die quickly like in that famous Raiders of the Lost Ark scene where Indiana Jones just shoots the guy with the sword.

    • October 7, 2015 at 12:22 am
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      Maybe these storm troppers trained with light-sabers are force sensitives. If he was plucked at an early age as a force sensitive individual this makes sense.

  • October 7, 2015 at 12:06 am
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    I think they are basing the Characters of these movie in the comic Legacy Volume 2: Chapter 16 and 18

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