Speculation: The Jedi in the Sequel Trilogy (Part II)

Luke Skywalker - Star Wars Episode 7

In Part I of this article, I took a look at some reasons why we might not see a return to the Old Republic style of galactic government in the Sequel Trilogy and, more to the point, why we may not see a return to the old ways of the Jedi Order. Both had the potential for corruption hardwired into them, and it would be logical that Luke Skywalker, especially, would do his best to learn the lessons of the past and to avoid re-establishing the Jedi to include the same “small thermal exhaust port” that doomed the Jedi of the Old Republic.

So, if Luke does not use the Old Jedi Order and its Jedi Code as the template for his training and organization of the new generation of Jedi, just what might a “New Jedi Order” look like in Episode VII?

In my opinion, a lot depends on how much (if at all) the “Balance of the Force” prophecy is used in the Sequel Trilogy and how it’s interpreted. Given the amount of emphasis that we’ve heard that the Episode 7 production has placed on emulating the best aspects of the Original Trilogy, and how little we’ve heard about Episode 7 tie-ins with the Prequel Trilogy, it’s quite possible that the prophecy will simply never be mentioned again.

If it is brought up in the Sequel Trilogy, however, then I suspect that the interpretation might go something like this:

The Force was wildly out of balance at the time of the Clone Wars. First and foremost, the Sith were an obvious cancer on the Force, with their obsession with using raw power to alter the natural flow and order of life and of the Force itself. From their reliance on deception, betrayal and murder to their more recent dabblings in unnatural dark side practices designed to prevent death and to create life in direct opposition to the nature of the Force, there is no question that the mere presence of the Sith was itself enough to throw the Force out of balance.

Sith versus Jedi - Star Wars

But consider also the fact that the Jedi Order had their own obsession with denying themselves the very natural and positive experience of love, family and emotional attachments. This was all done with the best of intentions, but what the Jedi failed to recognize was that they were essentially acting out of fear – fear that love and attachment would lead some of their number to the dark side. And rather than delving more deeply into the mysteries of the Force and exploring love more closely in order to discover the natural balance within it, they merely shut it out and denied it, as though it could somehow be treated as something separate from themselves and from the Force.

So, in their own way, the Jedi themselves were also acting in opposition to the way of the Force. I believe that this may be why the Force “balanced itself” by eliminating both the Sith and the Jedi Order. It wasn’t about a mathematical need for one-to-one parity in terms of Jedi and Sith existing in equal numbers, as some have speculated over the past decade or so, but rather about ensuring that the sentient beings who learned the ways of the Force did so in complete harmony with the nature of the Force itself.

Yoda - Star Wars
If this is how the Sequel Trilogy story treats the relationship of the Jedi to the Force and vice versa (and again, I have to emphasize that this is all merely speculation on my part, just for the fun of it) then I could see Luke having trained the new Jedi in such a way that they are far more empathetic and connected with people – Jedi and non-Jedi alike – than were the members of the Old Jedi Order. It is possible that the new Jedi might even choose to marry and have children – which could certainly mean that Luke himself might have a wife and children.

In addition, I could see the new Jedi not necessarily being bound to a centralized Council. For all of their pretenses at independence, the Jedi Council of the Old Republic often seemed almost like an extension of the Senate, especially once they’d been militarized during the Clone Wars. And this certainly made them a much fatter and easier target for Palpatine once he was ready to make his move.

Qui Gon Jinn - Star Wars
The new Jedi could very easily be “knights errant”, wandering the galaxy and allowing the Force to guide them to where they are needed the most. Not that they might not keep in contact with one another, but they wouldn’t simply be given assignments by a High Council in coordination with the Chancellor and the Senate, as in the old days.

In other words, I believe that we may very well see Jedi in the Sequel Trilogy who are more directly and emotionally involved with the people and the world around them, who understand and embrace the power of love rather than shutting themselves off from it, and who allow the Force itself – and not a bureaucratic government organization – to lead them on their quest to bring peace and justice to the galaxy.

(As always, time will tell!)

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114 thoughts on “Speculation: The Jedi in the Sequel Trilogy (Part II)

  • July 4, 2014 at 10:04 pm

    Same analysis for me. Great abstract :. I’m sure also that’s the image obi wan let us before the prequels.

    The Ronin’s style seems cooler ^^

  • July 4, 2014 at 10:08 pm

    Always focus on the Jedi. But remember the Jedis role in the clone wars. I have a feeling that Han Solo’s “hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side” shows Hans disbelive in the jedi.
    Maybe it has been imposibel for Luke to rebuild the order. And maybe all the talk of luke being missing is relatet to this. He has proberly been in excile for ages. And now Luke is needed because a new enemy is raising.
    So no new Jedi order.

    • July 5, 2014 at 3:22 am

      Seems forced as a way to delay the Jedi Order until VII when Luke had a good 30 years to get started.

  • July 4, 2014 at 10:22 pm

    One thing I REALLY hated about the PT’s portrayal of the Republic and Jedi Order was that it became unfathomable for two organizations as we saw there to have lasted for a thousand generations.

    They were just too dumb.

    • July 5, 2014 at 12:38 am

      I agree. I have always felt that Lucas went that route, especially with the Jedi, mainly to justify the fact that it was so easy for Palpatine to con everyone.

      We knew all along, from the prologue to the original ANH novelization, that Lucas envisioned the Republic having fallen due largely to its own internal corruption. He chose to mirror this in his portrayal of the Jedi Order as being out of touch and unable to see what was right in front of them, but he could have just as easily have shown the Jedi to be sharp, perceptive and “playing to the top of their intelligence”, to cop an improv comedy phrase.

      Of course, Lucas would have had to have set things up differently so that Palpatine wasn’t operating right in front of the Jedi the whole time, possibly by not having made them a centralized bureaucracy headquartered on Coruscant. But it could have been done and it would have made the Jedi seem a little less like easily fooled chumps.

      • July 5, 2014 at 3:03 am

        In their defense, the only time that Palpatine really did anything suspicious (as a Senator/Chancellor, not Darth Sidious) was during the events of Episode III, when he asked Anakin to report on the Jedi Council and when he didn’t step down from power after the end of the war. He kept his true presence pretty well-hidden.

    • July 5, 2014 at 2:38 am

      I kind of think the impression he was going for was that both the Republic and the Jedi Order were in decline, and by the time that Anakin and company show up the organizations were at their worst. Presumably, the Republic was a considerably better institution earlier on, which is why the whole Separatist movement took place, and later why the concept of an Empire appealed to the Senate so much – out with the old, in with the new.

      • July 5, 2014 at 2:52 am

        Personally I never took the portrayal of the Jedi as a knock on them but a rather a nod to Palpy just being that powerful. Now it can be argued the execution was flawed but the concept never bugged me.

        • July 5, 2014 at 3:01 am

          I dunno. It always seemed to me that the whole “blinded by the dark side” thing was an awfully cheap and convenient excuse as to why the Jedi were being played right under their own noses. It felt like the only way that Palpatine could beat the Jedi was if Lucas wrote them to essentially be blindfolded with one hand tied behind their back.

          • July 5, 2014 at 3:26 am

            As RLM said, why were the Jedi’s minds hindered by the dark side of the Force but not their Force powers?

          • July 5, 2014 at 3:40 am

            Because an individual manipulating the Force to produce a physical action and reading/perceiving the Force aren’t in and of themselves the same thing.

            Not the best example I will admit but someone can be trained to shoot without actually understanding exactly how a gun works.

            The Jedi in the PT had no experience against anything like Palpy.

          • July 5, 2014 at 4:16 am

            agreed. Palpatine’s power was unfathomable. even Yoda could not defeat him and was left to scramble away to a bog planet in defeat. Seriously, Yoda got owned, people.

  • July 4, 2014 at 10:27 pm

    My fear is that the stupidity in the execution of the PT will cause the ST to make unnecessary changes to how the Republic and Jedi Order exist (or don’t).

    I never got the impression from the OT that Luke saw faults on how the Republic and Jedi Order had handled themselves in the backstory. They mostly fell because they were betrayed by Anakin not because they were corrupt and in a mental fog.

    • July 4, 2014 at 11:00 pm

      I don’t know if i have choosen the right way but i really have no fear because Kasdan has written the script.

      • July 5, 2014 at 12:17 pm

        Great, so we’re looking forward to “Toy Story in Space”? I still don’t get the decision to give him the writing task, it doesn’t make any sense to me at all.

        • July 5, 2014 at 5:22 pm


    • July 4, 2014 at 11:02 pm

      Luke didn’t know much about Jedis or the Jedi order. Thanks to Owen Lars and the way he looked on the Jedis.
      He calls Ben for an old crazy old wizard

      • July 5, 2014 at 12:44 am

        Absolutely. As far as the movies show, Luke knew nothing of the Jedi when he started out, other than some vague tales. We have no indication that Obi Wan or Yoda told him anything of the history or downfall of the Jedi Order prior to the events of ROTJ. They really couldn’t have, since they kept the truth about Luke’s father from him that whole time.

        So, any background he got on the history of the Jedi Order would have had to have come either from research he did after ROTJ, or from communing with the spirits of Obi Wan, Yoda and his father later on.

        And by that time, his own experiences with the Force and with bringing his father back from the dark side would have very likely colored his opinion of what the Jedi Order’s priorities were and how they were organized. After all, his own experience was that love was a vital part of the Force, and not an aberration to be avoided as the Old Jedi Order considered it to be.

        • July 5, 2014 at 1:08 am

          Once again, many of you guys choose to bash the PT instead of accepting it in the greater whole, which may influence the events of the ST.

          • July 5, 2014 at 3:28 am

            So what? Why do you guys have a problem with some people not liking the PT? I don’t have a problem with you guys loving it.

          • July 6, 2014 at 2:41 pm

            It isn’t about ignoring the PT. It s about Luke not being aware of all those details regarding the Jedi Order.

  • July 4, 2014 at 10:30 pm

    “I believe that this may be why the Force “balanced itself” by eliminating both the Sith and the Jedi Order.”

    I’m so sorry Lucas inspired you to write that.

    • July 4, 2014 at 11:06 pm

      Lucas didn’t inspire me to write anything. I’m just rolling with the fact that, like it or not, the six films and the Clone Wars cartoons are what the backstory for the Sequel Trilogy will be taken from.

      I’ve never been a particularly big fan of the way the Jedi and the Force was handled in the PT. (And that’s putting it lightly!) But my purpose in writing this article was to speculate on what we might actually see in the ST films, and that probably means building on what was in the PT as well as the ST.

      I’m also really hoping that we do not see a rehash of the Old Republic Jedi Order in these new films, and IMHO the seeds are there in the PT story (flawed though it was) to justify an entirely new approach.

      Truth be told, I always thought that the “wandering monk” idea should have been applied to the Jedi in the PT, rather than making them into a bureaucracy. The Jedi Council issuing assignments and the whole prophecy thing always seemed to me to be a rather weak story choice.

      So, my overall hope is that something more like the “knights errant” thing might finally show up in the ST.

      • July 4, 2014 at 11:22 pm

        I know this question is off-topic, but there seem to be two clonewars series. One cartoony and the other 3D. Are they both cannon and worth watching?

        • July 4, 2014 at 11:54 pm

          Both are worth watching, for sure. Gendy Tartokovski (sp?) did a fantastic job with the original Clone Wars series. It laid the ground work for the 3D series, so I definitely recommend it. But it’s been overwritten by the canon 3D series.

        • July 5, 2014 at 12:30 am

          If you have a reasonable tolerance for the PT, both series are worth watching, IMHO. There’s still a lot of cringe-worthy stuff in there (“goofy” battle droids with cutsie-poo little chipmunk voices, more Jar Jar episodes than I’d personally have liked, etc.) but there actually are some pretty good stories in both series.

          Whether the older 2-D cartoon series is considered part of the new canon or not, I don’t know. But the CGI animation one is, and I expect we may see some references of some kind to those stories and characters in the ST films.

          • July 5, 2014 at 1:56 am

            Disney has only stated that the only things that Canon things to be released before 2014 are the movies, the original novelizations of said movies, and the 3D Clone Wars animated series. After that, pretty much everything that will come out from now on will be a part of the new Canon (except for kitschy just-for-fun stuff like the Tiny Death Star game).

            Nonetheless, even though the 2D Clone Wars cartoon isn’t Canon anymore, it still had an influence on the 3D cartoon (which, again, is Canon) – mainly in the form of Asajj Ventress, a character introduced in the former and Canonized in the latter. You can probably pick up the entire original series for a bargain, and the latter series can be viewed in its entirety on Netflix (which also has half a season of “lost episodes”). Both are worth your time.

      • July 5, 2014 at 1:14 am

        “Lucas didn’t inspire me to write anything. I’m just rolling with the fact that, like it or not, the six films and the Clone Wars cartoons are what the backstory for the Sequel Trilogy will be taken from.”

        That’s what I meant. Your speculation was based off what you saw in the PT in addition to everything else.

        I’m glad you also disagree with the Jedi Order’s portrayal in the PT. I just hope that trilogy doesn’t have a major effect on the ST, causing it to not make sense in places.

        • July 6, 2014 at 7:13 pm

          Wouldn’t you rather the entire saga worked together as a whole? Or are you comfortable being ignorant and pretending the PT doesn’t exist. I’d rather they make the PT seem better by subtle justifications and explanations as well as interesting plotpoints

  • July 4, 2014 at 11:04 pm

    I think that the traditional Jedi identity will be transcended in the new trilogy.

    The use of a lightsaber will be much more limited, and characters will use the force in expanded, creative ways.

    There were elements that were touched upon in earlier trilogies, such as moving objects with the mind, manipulating someone else’s mind, flying through the air.

    I could see new Jedi looking at Luke’s use of a lightsaber as old-fashioned. It could also be humorous.

    This would make room for the new Jedi to establish unique identities. I see many jedi in the new film.

    This would also give an opportunity for Leia to use the force in way that has nothing to do with a lightsaber. She could, in effect, be training others to use the force differently.

    In order for the new trilogy to take root, it is going to have to create it’s own identity that is separate from the OT. They have to look at it as if they are going to make it so much greater than the OT, right?

    They will have to expand what a Jedi is capable of. Even Jedi’s evolve. Especially when there are trying to find balance versus a different darkness.

    • July 4, 2014 at 11:34 pm

      No no no no. I still get pissed when I see the emporers lightning bolts being used in such a casual manner in the PT and games like Force Unleashed. This was supposed to be Palpatines secret & ultimate understanding of the dark side but it has been turned into a cheap parlour trick by Dooku, Yoda etc.
      Some dark skills must remain secret only to the mist badass.

      • July 5, 2014 at 1:00 am

        Man, I completely agree with you! I felt like the PT tried too hard to mirror the SW video games in making things like the lightning just another “level-up power”.

        The lightning in particular should have remained something that the Emperor alone knew how to do, and that he only used in extreme circumstances. When Dooku whipped that power out in AOTC, you’re right… it reduced it to more of a parlor trick rather than a power unique to the true master of the dark side.

        In ROTJ, the Emperor made that lightning look like a literal manifestation of the utter hatred he felt for Luke for daring to refuse him. Pure hatred flowing out of his hands as raw electricity… now THAT’S bad-ass!

        Dooku just flicking his hand and hurling lightning like he was tossing a knife… not so much.

        • July 5, 2014 at 2:26 am

          We all knew Vader could Force choke people. However, he never once used it in combat.

          There should be an unwritten rule in making Star Wars movies that Force powers should only be used sparingly and for dramatic effect.

          • July 5, 2014 at 3:02 am

            “I’m right with ya, boss!” ;^)

          • July 5, 2014 at 3:57 am

            i always also thought that different jedi & different sith don´t have exactly the same powers.. -And why should they? The are unique individuals . Some are maybe better of sensing the future, some of feeling what others jedi do & how they feel etc. …

            It would have been cool if Vader´s forcechoke was typical for him & Palpatine´s lightning typical for him, with that said: it should be a power that everyone could learn, but not something that anyone could MASTER!

  • July 5, 2014 at 12:00 am

    Really want to say that you guys are doing a great job with these series articles, they’re a great read, and keep me excited during the long wait for official news. And I love your perspective on how the failings of the previous government and Jedi Order could be approached in the new movies.. I personally hope it turns out the way you’re thinking of it!

    • July 5, 2014 at 12:53 am

      Thanks, Jake! Glad you dug it. I know a lot of folks who frequent the comments section don’t seem to be too crazy about all the speculation-based articles, but let’s face it… right now we’re not getting a lot of solid information from LFL about the movie anyway. May as well have some fun kicking ideas around together.

      And as critical as I am of the PT, I think that there is definitely an interesting Sequel Trilogy story to be built off of what we did get in the PT with regard to the way the Republic and the Jedi were presented. It probably won’t be anything like the way I envision it in this pair of articles, but IMHO they could do much worse than to approach it this way.

      We shall see in about a year and a half!

      • July 5, 2014 at 4:05 am

        i LOVE the specualtion articles. so keep them up 🙂 we don´t know much at this point, so all we can do is speculate (in this agonising wait for dec.2015) I even like the specualtion articles more than the rumour articles, because the specualtion atricles are much longer & it gets our imagination flowing, making the comments so much more interesting than just talking about actors or Harrison Ford´s leg (i do hope he gets well as soon as possible)

  • July 5, 2014 at 12:05 am

    Given what we see of Luke in the OT, IF the Empire is still a threat I am not sure he would have them just go around without an actual purpose behind their movements. I could see him keeping them out from under any kind Government control though. I also agree about him likely forging a different path in regards to the rules of the order etc.

  • July 5, 2014 at 1:20 am

    I find the speculation here really interesting. The idea of ‘knights errant’ with strong emotional ties strongly reminds me of the Jedi as depicted in KOTOR. It’s a somewhat less centralised, more anarchical set-up. Of course, having so much freedom and passion in a Jedi’s life might make it easier for them to fall prey to the dark side. But, you know, that simply means we have more potential for dynamic story-telling! I wonder if we might see ‘balance’ restored in the form of gray Jedi like Qui-Gon.

  • July 5, 2014 at 1:38 am

    One of the overall points that Lucas made in the films stems from Luke throwing down his lightsaber in VI. He was not going to fight anymore. He already believed that he, Vader and the Emperor were doomed as his friends and the rebels were going to destroy the Death Star.

    The problem for the old order was that they got caught up in being too much a part of the Republic when they needed to be Jedi first and polticians second.

    If the Jedi had been more adaptable like Qui-Gon was in many ways then maybe they would have seen things clearer. He was the one who said they must see that Anakin was the Chosen one but no one really believed in him and Obi-Wan really only took him on because he promised Qui-Gon but as much as he loved Anakin he never totally 100% believed in him. As a person yes but as the Chosen One not near as much.

    I feel Luke’s Jedi would be more detached from any new government and more connected to be responsible to the people of the galaxy as opposed to the structure of government.

    As was seen in the PT but expanded upon in TCW what the Jedi really needed to do to not fall into the Sith trap was to stop fighting but that really was impossible the way they were set up in the Republic structure where they answered to the Senate and the Chancellor.

    Now they have to just be Jedi and do what is right not necessarily what is expected.

    • July 5, 2014 at 2:36 am

      “One of the overall points that Lucas made in the films stems from Luke throwing down his lightsaber in VI. He was not going to fight anymore. He already believed that he, Vader and the Emperor were doomed as his friends and the rebels were going to destroy the Death Star.”

      As iconic as that moment was, it was also pretty stupid. We saw how Luke ended up with plenty of time to drag Vader close to a starship, talk to him one last time and pilot his way off the exploding Death Star.

      What if the Emperor had ended up BBQing him before escaping with Vader? Luke shouldn’t have taken any chances here. He should’ve at least lunged at the Emperor with his lightsaber just to make sure he’s dead.

      • July 5, 2014 at 6:55 pm

        “As iconic as that moment was, it was also pretty stupid. We saw how Luke ended up with plenty of time to drag Vader close to a starship, talk to him one last time and pilot his way off the exploding Death Star.”

        This isn’t serious is it?
        nah can’t be.

        • July 5, 2014 at 10:34 pm

          Yeah, it’s serious.

  • July 5, 2014 at 1:47 am

    You guys can bash the pt all you want its not gonna make it go away. Thruth is the story line was perfect especially since it was from the creator himself. If You guys let shitty acting ruin three awesome movies. Movies we all waited years to see. Why are you here expecting it to be any different. Face it the ot has shitty acting in it to but i dont see yall bashing it. Fact is noone could have made another starwars movie that could lived up to the hype around the ot.and these movies will be no different. Even with the big 3 it wont be anything close to the first time you saw that star cruiser float onto the screen. Shut up about it or get out cannon is cannon and you all may be entitled to an opinion is doesnt change the fact that you HATE a starwars movie. And that makes you all less of a fan of the story

    • July 5, 2014 at 1:56 am

      Not everyone here hates the PT.
      The SW fan base has always been huge and filled with different opinions on issues even before the PT.
      Where I get the reason behind the post the approach isn’t really going to get you anywhere.

      • July 5, 2014 at 2:03 am

        I agree. Actually I think that majority of real SW fans love both PT and OT.

        But like always vocal minority runs the show.

        • July 5, 2014 at 2:36 am

          It has been pointed out that in any long-running movie series (compare James Bond), some movies will inevitably be weaker than others. Same with a book; every chapter can’t be a highlight, that is a contradiction in terms.

          Episodes I and II do leave some things to be desired, but are partially redeemed by the far stronger III, for which they are set-up. “Revenge of the Sith” is not without flaws either, but wonderfully and refreshingly escapes the Hollywood cliches by unabashedly setting out a TRAGEDY.

          “Return of the Jedi”, with its muppets and cutesy teddybears, sometimes approaches the troubled waters of Jar-Jarity (if I may coin a word). That movie wasn’t quite strong enough to stand as the definite conclusion of a saga as ambitious as Star Wars, and now it luckily won’t be the conclusion.

          Apparently the Sequel Trilogy will try to emulate the “best” aspects of the Original Trilogy. This could be good and bad. If “A New Hope” is the template, we could end up with an overly simplistic tale with cardboard villains and an extremely black-and-white approach to morality. Also, the tone could be overly juvenile. “A New Hope” is a deserved classic, but if made today, it would probably be derided as having a childishly naive and cheesy story.

          The point is not to make the inner seven-year-old of adults “come” (as it was recently put, somewhat paradoxically and tastelessly). We want a space opera fantasy movie that is understandable for children, but also has a certain seriousness and philosophical depth that older fans can appreciate.

          Overall, “Empire Strikes Back” is a better template than “A New Hope”, I should say. I wonder if Disney has the guts to let one of these films have a distinctly unhappy ending, like “Revenge of the Sith”.

    • July 5, 2014 at 2:43 am


      “You guys can bash the pt all you want its not gonna make it go away.”

      There’s a reason why Lucas isn’t doing any more Star Wars movies. There’s a reason why Disney is trying so hard to give us new movies in the vein of the beloved originals. There’s a reason why they’re so amazingly focused on the importance of characters, story, consistency, “screenplay, screenplay, screenplay”.

      Lol, put your head back in that coarse sand and pretend people hate or dislike the PT because they were overhyped.

      • July 5, 2014 at 7:02 am

        Yeah because people like you cant appreciate Anything. And while i hope im wrong disney and its crew could never live up to georges creativity. Get YOUR head out of your arse and realize the talented mind mind that created this magical galaxy we are gooing over and stop hating on somone who wanted to finish his story

        • July 7, 2014 at 11:02 pm

          Try to dissect yourself from the concept of “hate” and legitimate criticism. Pointing out the (numerous) flaws of the PT does not diminish someone as a “true fan” of Star Wars. The reality is, the PT was disappointing on many levels, not just because of a little “bad acting.” The dialogue HE himself wrote, was awful. No “good acting” could have saved some of the horrific lines that Hayden Christensen was tasked with reciting. I personally think he got a pretty bad rap for his performance, in light of the poor quality of what he was given to work with.

          GL is a genius for what he conceived as the Star Wars universe, but he tried to do too much himself on the PT rather than relying on the expertise of others to provide the best product possible. And sorry if you can’t handle the disappointment MANY true Star Wars fans felt after seeing it.

  • July 5, 2014 at 1:55 am

    Just random questions.How many light saber battles do you think luke skywalker will have?Will he get killed off in 7?Does anyone think will see Darth Vader,Obi or other Force Ghosts?

    • July 5, 2014 at 2:00 am

      Luke personally? Against another person with a lightsaber? 1-2 is my guess.

      Who gets killed off is hard to say IMO.

      Don’t think we will see Force ghosts but I wouldn’t mind being wrong.

  • July 5, 2014 at 2:00 am

    I hate this PT bashing.

    I love PT more than OT. And I hope that ST will be combination of both PT and OT.

    PT is great.

    • July 5, 2014 at 3:58 am

      I can’t say that I like the Prequel Trilogy as a whole more than the Original Trilogy, but I definitely think that they are good films. I doubt that Disney is just going to up and ignore the events of the Prequel Trilogy, even if the Sequel Trilogy is going to be stylistically based on the Original Trilogy. The Prequels set up a handful of plot threads that would be interesting to follow up on in the Episodes and the Spin-Offs – and if the story arc of the Sequel Trilogy is based around “ethical responsibility and moral ambiguity” like George Lucas said it would, discussing the morality of the former Jedi Order and the ethics of the various forms of government in the Galaxy.

    • July 5, 2014 at 10:57 pm

      Prequels failed as movies. If you enjoy them great, but objectively speaking they were badly written and directed. Just because you enjoy it nevertheless doesn’t mean you can’t allow people to criticize it.

    • July 6, 2014 at 3:02 pm

      The PT have scripts that are on the same level of awfulness of the Transformers movies. What elevates the movies somewhat is the fact that it is able to take advantage of the SW mythology already in place. We as an audience care because we already cared about that universe going in. We also care about returning favorites such as Kenobi and Yoda and we are fascinated in the eventual corruption of Anakin. All of these elements were put into the play long before the PT movies were made. The PT itself failed to add to the mythology by creating great new characters of its own. It also was unable to deliver a new quality storyline, development or character arc that hadn’t already been established by the scripts of the OT.

  • July 5, 2014 at 2:02 am

    When people are set in their opnion,They will never go i could be wrong.If someone didnt like one of the Sw movies thats fine.As long as you liked them why does it matter?

  • July 5, 2014 at 2:12 am

    Silver.i heard that Darth Vader might come back.That his vood side and bad side split.So somehow another version of Darth return?Really out their i know.

    • July 5, 2014 at 2:19 am

      That would be…different. Not something I have seen mentioned anywhere myself.

    • July 5, 2014 at 2:51 am

      No more Vader, please. He would especially look like a cheapened cash cow in the ST.

      Disney Almighty, give us a brand new iconic villain to admire, someone who can inspire fear and dread from the masses!

  • July 5, 2014 at 2:17 am

    people are already bashing episode 7 andits not even one trailer.Cant please everyone

    • July 5, 2014 at 2:49 am

      Who’s bashing VII?

      • July 7, 2014 at 11:08 pm

        No one is. The PT apologists like to try to create controversy where none should exist.

  • July 5, 2014 at 2:27 am

    heard it on youtube news.They explain it better than i did.I def see the force ghost will return.to help the younger generation and luke

    • July 5, 2014 at 2:56 am

      “YouTube News”? What do you mean by that?

  • July 5, 2014 at 2:30 am

    The jedi order will exist but not 10 thousand.it will take probably.a century to rebuild those numbers but a thousand jedi wouldnt be far fetched.

    • July 5, 2014 at 2:54 am

      Luke trained a thousand Jedi in 30 years?

  • July 5, 2014 at 2:34 am

    Is Luke the only Jedi inthe new Sw?

    • July 5, 2014 at 4:00 am

      The only one confirmed so far. Disney’s being very tight-lipped with the production so far.

      John Boyega has been seen wielding a Lightsaber. Interpret that as you will.

  • July 5, 2014 at 2:56 am

    people on other message boards are bashing it.not here.

  • July 5, 2014 at 3:01 am

    Precisely why we probably won’t see Leia in some generic role like Chencelor.

    • July 5, 2014 at 3:44 am

      Is that really Daisy?

    • July 6, 2014 at 2:05 am

      It’s not Daisy.

  • July 5, 2014 at 4:19 am

    Force sensitive individuals would still be born just like they were during the PT time frame. Finding them would likely be difficult but there would still be individuals that could be trained.

  • July 5, 2014 at 4:19 am

    I don’t think any of this is going to be that important. In a New Hope, there is one mention of the Emperor “dissolving the Imperial Senate” but besides that, very few mentions of the polities that dominate the galaxy.

    If JJ is really trying to recapture the magic of the original trilogy, then my bet is that JJ makes this new trilogy about the people first. Just like the originals. Politics will take a back seat to character.

  • July 5, 2014 at 4:25 am

    Its all about the character.No politics.

  • July 5, 2014 at 4:30 am

    i just hope people dont compare it to the originals.It will never be that.We treat this as it is.

    • July 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm

      I don’t expect it to have the same cultural impact, but I’m still open to the possibility of the ST rivaling the OT in terms of overall quality and heart.

  • July 5, 2014 at 4:38 am

    The site is going to implement a forum eventually – until then, I say that you should probably wait and ask questions only when you need to, and look everything else up on this website.

  • July 5, 2014 at 4:44 am

    “Return of the Jedi”, with its muppets and cutesy teddybears, sometimes approaches the troubled waters of Jar-Jarity (if I may coin a word). That movie wasn’t quite strong enough to stand as the definite conclusion of a saga as ambitious as Star Wars, and now it luckily won’t be the conclusion.”


  • July 5, 2014 at 5:09 am

    is everyone talking tonight?The politicsi hope isnt in 7.No cgi,Make it like the originals.Well,Hav cgi just not all the movie.Muppets and handmade effects.Off topic.Not talking about the main subject.But i notice alot of people are off topic..

  • July 5, 2014 at 5:17 am

    As far as the story goes, we’re as in the dark as you are. All we know for sure is that it takes place 30-35 years after Return Of The Jedi, that it has the major players from the original cast (though what their roles in the story are is uncertain), and that Tatooine is apparently making an appearance according to the TMZ leaks and the Force For Change video. Everything else involves rumors and speculation.

    George Lucas implied that his treatment for the Sequel Trilogy (which is being used, albeit adapted by other writers) was that the general theme for the films was that they were going to be about ethics and moral ambiguity – in the same way that the Prequel Trilogy was about politics and corruption and that the Original Trilogy was about spirituality and heroics against impossible odds. It isn’t clear if this is the plan for the new movie, at least not until we get a direct confirmation.

  • July 5, 2014 at 5:19 am

    new here.Alot of people are on.hope its okay to stay Anonymous.No video on the site?Saw leaked photos on youtube.Want to see Mark on set,But i know their tight.

  • July 5, 2014 at 5:51 am

    Wish could find out whos gonna be luke wife.So tight lipped.Probably wasted topic.Or maybe he was married.Just speculating.

  • July 5, 2014 at 6:19 am

    Dont know.As long as its Star Wars talk.

  • July 5, 2014 at 6:24 am

    Okay.Is Harrison Ford back n set.I looked online couldn’t find out.Just know he not as bad as once thought.Guess gonna only shoot above him.

  • July 5, 2014 at 6:57 am

    Gary here.Sw Politics better not be inSw.Three of us.I suck at typin g..

  • July 5, 2014 at 8:39 am

    I believe that we shall indeed see Luke creating an Order but in a very indirect manner.

    I think the new trilogy will not have the new Jedi Order and the New Republic as its goal but as a product or by- product.


    When I read the latest news concerning the Sith immitators and the Remnants of the Empire still being in control and hunthing the Jedi while Luke is simply vanished (and Solo looking for him) I was practically excited. All these games we’ve been playing from the EU suddenly were nothing and the slate was clean again. An amazing feeling to have after so many years of saying to yourself “whatever they do I have already seen it in some form”.

    What I mean is that if Luke is gone and therefore is the goal of E7 then it is logical for Solo to be the protagonist and also to finally see classes of warriors like bounty hunters up close with more screen time. Good stuff.

    As for the Jedi, I think its pretty safe to say that the new lightsaber wielders of the Galaxy will be something like the Jedi protagonist of the new CGI series Disney has been working on called Rebels.

    The feeling is the same. The Jedi, whether they are being opresseed by the Empire at its peak of power and influence or they try to survive against its growing remnants are still the underdogs.

    My point is the new Jedi are likely to look like Kanan and the Jedi hunters like the Sith Inquisisitor. So yes, the spoilers are already there folks, in the new material Disney has been preparing on all fronts so far.

  • July 5, 2014 at 9:16 am

    Yeah I remember when I had my first beer. Jeez it’s a comment section not instant messenger.

  • July 5, 2014 at 10:41 am

    How about this:
    The Jedi are ” Ronin style ”
    The stormtroopers are now soldiers of the new republic
    The enemy : Mandalorians and Sith in some form.

    • July 5, 2014 at 6:53 pm

      Only the stormtroopers now have smiles instead of frowns 🙂

  • July 5, 2014 at 11:58 am

    Thi site doesnt really rely on IM style as much. But if you’re having fun talking and speculating with one another about the star wars universe im sure the administrators are fine with it. Just don’t expect everyone to answer back immediately

  • July 5, 2014 at 10:10 pm

    I personally like the aforementioned concept of Grey Jedi. Clearly the old Jedi Order was flawed in its restrictions of its members, as are the Sith with their penchant for fury and destruction. A less restrictive Jedi Order would make a lot of sense to me, and could possibly result in the merging of Jedi and Sith into one, more accepting, faction of people.

    It also got me thinking, would Anakin ever have turned to the dark side if his marriage to Padme had not been forbidden?

    • July 5, 2014 at 11:28 pm

      Well, he might still have gone to extreme lengths to save her, even if everybody knew about the marriage.

      In any case: To old-school Jedi, Anakin’s fate and the events he caused would have to seem like massive confirmation that the traditional policy of Jedi non-attachment was WISE.

      Would Luke necessarily see it differently, if indeed he can piece together the whole story of his father’s fall? If he allows his pupils (and himself) to be entangled in romantic relationships, how does he know there aren’t dozens of new “Anakins” on their way, once the loved one is perceived to be in danger? That is when the forbidden knowledge and unnatural powers of the Dark Side start to look really tempting.

      Hm, a possible plot could actually involve Luke fighting some kind of late-bloom romantic attraction because he is afraid to share his father’s fate …

    • July 5, 2014 at 11:43 pm

      The way everything was portrayed in the PT films, I really don’t think that Anakin would have turned to the dark side had it not been for the fact that he was forced to keep his marriage to Padme a secret.

      Palpatine went out of his way to “suggest” that Anakin and Obi Wan be assigned to guard Padme at the beginning of Episode II, and it’s pretty obvious that this was a ploy to get Anakin and Padme together. After all, Palpatine had been secretly mentoring Anakin for many years, and he’d have known exactly what his achilles heel was.

      Consider a scenario where the Jedi did not forbid romantic attachment. It wouldn’t have mattered that Anakin was in love with Padme. Not to anywhere near the point where Palpatine could have used that love to set Anakin against the Jedi.

      Anakin’s entire freakout over his dreams about Padme dying in childbirth was predicated on his inability to turn to the Jedi for help. The very fact that Padme was even pregnant began to drive a wedge between Anakin and the Jedi, because he knew that what Padme said was true – that if anyone ever found out that it was his child, he’d be expelled from the Jedi Order.

      And then once the dreams began (possibly with a nudge from Palpatine through the Force?) he felt he had only one person to turn to – the very person who had been manipulating events for years to bring about this very situation.

      Remove the Jedi prohibition on love and marriage, and you remove Palpatine’s leverage over Anakin.

      (I never really bought the “Anakin loved too much” justification for his turn to the dark side anyway, but taking the movies for what they are, it was really the Jedi forbidding marriage that was the linchpin of Palpatine’s plan to turn Anakin to the dark side.)

    • July 6, 2014 at 4:59 am

      “It also got me thinking, would Anakin ever have turned to the dark side if his marriage to Padme had not been forbidden?”

      YES. Palpatine would’ve found a way. It wouldn’t have been hard. -_-

    • July 6, 2014 at 5:40 am

      Lucas purposely placed the Jedi Order at odds with Anakin. My impression from the OT’s backstory was that they got along just fine but Anakin’s growing impatience with his Jedi training and desire for power caused him to be seduced to the dark side, resulting in his betrayal. It had nothing to do with love.

      It feels like Lucas became a huge fan of his most iconic Star Wars villain. The PT focuses way too much on Vader; even the Clone Wars are essentially a farce to trick people while Palpatine gains more and more power.

      The tragic love story “subplot” feels heavily influenced by movies like Romeo + Juliet (’96) and Titanic (’97). Didn’t Leonardo DiCaprio audition for Anakin at one point?

  • July 6, 2014 at 12:04 am

    I’ve brought this idea up before, but I’d love if in VII, a major plot point is that, in the wake of both the Clone Wars and the Galactic Civil War, maybe the galaxy as a whole no longer trusts Force-wielders, given their petty religious feud is dierectly responsible for all the billions of innocents dead over the last couple decades? So what if there was a massive anti-Force-wielder sentiment in the GFFA, and that’s why Luke’s been in hiding and there’s no new Order? So this movie is about the galaxy, faced with a new threat, realizing they NEED the Jedi again, and so need to find Luke and get him to restart an Order. But they still face tons of prejudice regardless. That, for me, sounds like a natural and fascinating direction to take the saga in the wake of the treatment of the Force-wielders in these movies so far.

    • July 6, 2014 at 1:30 am

      So Luke spends years helping fight the Empire just to be run into hiding? Seems like a raw deal. The rebellion leaders would likely have stuck by him.

      Also, what would stop him from trying to rebuild in secret?

    • July 6, 2014 at 5:08 am

      The Republic is far more to blame than the Jedi Order here. They gave Palpatine all his power and authorized the Clone Army.

      Honestly, I think it would be beyond stupid to punish the Jedi Order, especially when the Senate stood back and applauded them being systematically slaughtered, including the younglings.

  • July 6, 2014 at 1:40 am

    I personally see no reason to believe Luke would buy into the philosophy of the old Jedi. He grew up away from the order in which such ideas were ingrained. Even though he is a Jedi it stands to reason his “normal ” upbringing would color his world view.

    You can debate if the old rules on love are right or wrong all day. At the end of the day the “human element” means either stance has the risk of leading one to the dark side.

    • July 6, 2014 at 2:21 am

      Where I was going with my previous message is that perhaps it’s the squelching of emotion that the Jedi obide by that causes the dark side to rise in the first place.

      If it ends up being the case that the ST moral lies in the recognition of right vs. wrong, dark vs. light, perhaps a new doctrine of Jedi behavior is the very “balance” that was intended by the commentary in the PT.

      FYI, been reading this site’s posts for awhile, but felt compelled to chime in. “As always, this speculation is merely for fun.”

      • July 6, 2014 at 5:12 am

        Luke acts like a normal human being with relatable attachments, and the dark side was still able to be a major threat to him.

        I prefer this over everyone being portrayed on opposite ends of the spectrum for no real reason other than to heighten the drama.

      • July 6, 2014 at 6:26 am

        I think that what the squelching of emotion did was not so much to cause the dark side to rise as to merely give the dark side an opening to take them down. When you try to deny basic human nature (sentient nature, what have you) it’s never going to work completely. Somebody is always going to go and act all human, and when they do they won’t have any real idea of how to handle it if they’ve been pretending that it doesn’t exist for so long. That’s what went wrong with Anakin.

  • July 6, 2014 at 6:36 am

    Who would tell Luke what happened with the Jedi Council before and during the Clone Wars? How would he know what did not work and why? There were unique enemies with the Sith, and they may be different with the Sequels. Also, with the Trade Federation and the crime families, whose to say the galaxy has not been in civil war since E6 and the Republic could not get traction because all there is is potentially 1 Jedi in Luke?

    • July 6, 2014 at 4:08 pm

      It is less than three decades between the events of ROTS and ROTJ. So this is not ancient history. Sure, Palpatine and his new Order would have not much to falsify the history writing, but there would surely be plenty of historians, journalists etc. who would know the truth. As the Empire lost it’s grip on the galaxy after ROTJ, free historical research would be easier.

      As for the Trade Federation, it along with the other organizations behind the CIS were absorbed by the Empire shortly after the events of ROTS.

  • July 6, 2014 at 1:52 pm

    As a student of Buddhism I don’t necessarily agree with the notion that the Jedi acted out of “fear” that attachment leads to the dark side. George Lucas always stated that he just borrowed from all kinds of religions and philosophies and you never know how much he actually borrowed, but this part of the Jedi-code is very similar to the Buddhist point of view on attachment. That’s something completely misunderstood in the “western civilization” and you’d have to get familiar with the Buddha actually taught to understand. Anakin even says something related in EP2 – that the Jedi even encourage love and compassion (or something along the lines). IMHO it’s the arrogance part that threatened the balance. The high-handedness that came with their function as institutionalized “keepers of the peace”. It surely “clouded” their self-awareness as “warrior-monks”.

  • July 6, 2014 at 8:17 pm

    I finally got around to reading both parts and wow… you make the Jedi sound likable again. Totally love the idea of knights errant.

    Fly to England stat and make sure they do this right! Really well done sir!

  • July 7, 2014 at 9:45 pm

    If Han is to die in this first installment, do you think it could push Leia to the dark side? Assuming her affinity for the Force has grown over the past 30+ years. That’d be an interesting plot twist, albeit unrealistic.

    • July 8, 2014 at 6:43 pm

      Love the speculation. Really fun!

      Love this idea, but honestly, I don’t really want to see a lot of action from the original cast. It will be great to see there roles rather than a new cast just talking about them, but with such a large and talented new cast, I want to give them as much screen time as possible. I do like the weight of a main character dying and what that would naturally imply. I just don’t know if I want to see Fisher with that kind of role. On the other hand, assuming Daisy Ridley is their child, that could be super interesting to see maybe that kind of character, a child Solo, battle that moral struggle of good vs. evil.

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