Disney’s Presentation At CinemaCon 2014.
CinemaCon is an annual convention that takes place in Caesars Palace in Las Vegas from March 24 through 27. During the event each studio is giving the exhibitors a first look at their upcoming films. Disney’s presentation is expected to be about the upcoming Marvel movies and possibly Lucasfilm’s Star Wars: Episode 7 and/or Indiana Jones…
The official CinemaCon schedule is not saying anything about Marvel and Lucasfilm:
“The Walt Disney Studios Invites You to an Exclusive Presentation including a Special Screening of “Million Dollar Arm”, presented in Dolby Atmos.
Hosted by: Alan Horn, Chairman, The Walt Disney Studios and Dave Hollis, EVP, Theatrical Distribution, The Walt Disney Studios”
But according to THR:
Walt Disney Studios chairman Alan Horn and executive vp, theatrical distribution Dave Hollis will host Disney’s presentation, which will also cover Marvel and Lucasfilm titles.
The presentation will begin at 9:45 am and will end at 12:30 pm. which is only 2 hours away!
The chances to hear some huge Star Wars news are very slim, but still I believe there will be some tidbits. Also I won’t be surprised if they reveal something about the upcoming Indiana Jones films. I’ve been hearing lately that they want a new young Indy TV series on the small screen for next year.
And check out Latino Review’s latest rumor on Indy:
Our ever reliable sources are informing us that while Harrison Ford might still play Indiana Jones in the next film of the franchise, the window of making that happen is getting smaller and smaller.
There is a date and if Indiana Jones 5 is not moving forward by then, the studios are 100% prepared to recast a younger Dr. Jones and ready up a new trilogy.
And who just might be one of the actors that the studio is looking at ? The word is that they are looking at several but Bradley Cooper is at the top of the list.
As to who might be writing the next Indy? We are hearing that Frank Darabont might be taking a crack at the franchise once again. All we heard is that Darabont pitched an idea, what that idea is, I have no clue as our source wouldn’t say.
And while we wait for the presentation to start here’s something interesting from THR’s Borys Kit:
Tidbit: John Boyega (Attack the Block) tested for #StarWars but he is also wanted for #Terminator : Genesis. The role: son of Miles Dyson.
— Borys Kit (@Borys_Kit) March 25, 2014
@andreweplotkin He can’t do both. He has to wait out the Star Wars game.
— Borys Kit (@Borys_Kit) March 25, 2014
And even more interesting reaction from The Wrap’s Jeff Sneider:
@Borys_Kit Odd tweet, especially if he gets it. I suspect you’re just trying to throw the rest of us off the scent…
— Jeff Sneider (@TheInSneider) March 26, 2014
More later today…
The Indiana Jones rumor is not true. I have a source who 100% debunks it.
— Peter Sciretta (@slashfilm) March 26, 2014
UPDATE: Indiana Jones Not Being Rebooted http://t.co/16Eyvn5v8p pic.twitter.com/eaZCyMIzhS
— Peter Sciretta (@slashfilm) March 26, 2014
FYI, phones are not allowed to be on during CinemaCon presentations so no tweets till it’s over.
— Steven Weintraub (@colliderfrosty) March 26, 2014
So the even starts now but no news until it’s over in 3 hours time
Disney’s Alan Horn just did his best Yoda: “Patience you must have.” Re: news on #StarWars
— Rebecca Ford (@Beccamford) March 26, 2014
And no STAR WARS news at the Disney panel. Nothing. Alan Horn says they’re not ready, crowd groans.
— Mystery Devin Faraci (@devincf) March 26, 2014
@devincf They’re not ready. It shoots in 5 weeks, there’s no information they can share.
— Germain Lussier (@GermainLussier) March 26, 2014
Founder of SWNN, MNN and The Cantina forums.
Born on April 24, 1980.
Hope John isn’t cast in star wars. Obviously a good actor and it depends on the role, but he’s not really Star Wars material like others that have been rumored..
I agree and it may sound racist but really don’t think Luke should have a black son, even if he is adopted. Its just not Star Wars-like. Have him be a supporting character but not the star.
Hope Terminator picks John… sorry, but don’t want him in SW7.
That doesn’t “sound” racist it IS racist. Half the characters in Star Wars are fucking aliens but you can’t handle Luke having a black son. WTF is wrong with you people.
I don’t think Anon is being racist at all. He is saying what he wants and does not want in EP 7 just like everyone else. Luke can have an Eskimo son for all I care, but Boyega does not fit SW.
SW needs a great new leading man like H Ford, L Dicaprio, M Damon, but someone New. And the 5 guys on the short list don’t look like the next breakout star, regardless of race.
“SW needs a great new leading man like H Ford” Have you not seen Star Wars?
It’s not racist to not want a black character. It’s not racist to not want a character with ginger hair. Or green eyes. It’s just a preference. Why does everyone have to board the THAT’S OFFENSIVE train these days.
Fettman, yes I have seen SW and HFord is the leading man of that film. Why do you ask that?
@AnonymousMarch 26, 2014 at 3:48 PM
A truly racist statement would be something like, “I don’t think Luke should have a black son. Blacks are too stupid and weak to be the son of a Jedi Master.” It’s really a stretch to call the previous anon post racist.
I don’t want Luke to have a black son simply because it would be distracting. I’ve actually got 4 or 5 white friends with black kids, so it’s not a foreign occurrence to me, but I just don’t see Luke having a black kid and it would be in the back of my mind the entire movie.
How can H Ford be “great new leading man” When he’s already been a part of the franchise?
But why would you not want a character with ginger hair or green eyes? What does it matter? Especially since it’s a brand new character so there’s no preconception. If you can’t express why you have a preference, isn’t it positive that the preference is pointless?
Fett, ok a little miscommunication happening here. I am trying to say that SW needs to find the Next H Ford, a new actor, to complement the real H Ford, who hopefully will be in EP 7.
People’s preferences are totally subjective. It all comes down to personal aesthetics. We are all fans here. Ultimately, it is up to JJ to decide where to take George Lucas’ story. All we can do is chime in, like people voting for the next president of the US or wherever.
Err, meant to say: isn’t it possible that preference is suspect? If it’s distracting, ask yourself why you feel that way. I’m not saying you’re prejudiced, but I am saying your outlook of what’s “normal” is biased by society. White is not default.
You all need to understand that it’s not some magical coincidence that you “prefer” your leading movie men to be white, tall, and fit. You prefer that because the insidious global culture of racism asserts these traits as superior. That’s what racism IS.
@AnonymousMarch 26, 2014 at 4:16 PM. Ok, I get what you’re saying now, It just reads like you added him to the list.
Exactly, Nick. Preference didn’t just spontaneously appear. Its not random. Is based on something in society, on personal experiences. Examine your bias. Ask yourself why you feel the way you do. Of course it’s subjective, that doesn’t mean it’s causeless. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
The point was, it’s stupid to say something is racist when it’s not. Which I said with an example, it’s not racist to say you don’t want a character with ginger hair or green eyes, it’s just a preference. Being black is obviously a large part of your appearance to the general audience, and I want the appearance of the lead to be as least distracting or different than possible. So therefore, I’d rather a white guy who looks very plain and normal and innocent and relatable. I obviously don’t have anything against people who are black, which is racist, I just think the leads should be as basic and normal as possible. It doesn’t mean I’m against good looking people or fat people or black people or disabled people etc etc etc, it’s just that’s not what I want. I’d love a black character so there’s diversity, the idea of Lupita as a sith is brilliant. I’m simply saying, and loads will agree, that I don’t want the appearance of the lead to be something that people are going to be talking about. I don’t them to stretch too far to what came before in regards to the appearance of the lead. Simple. The only thing offensive is you accusing me of being a racist because of this very simple concept.
Anon – that is literally one of the most racist comments I have ever read. You really are refusing to examine yourself.
The only reason you think black actors are a distraction is because Hollywood has over and over again reinforced the racist cultural stereotype that white skin is the neutral, default experience. You have internalized that racism and now you’re defending it.
Your preferences weren’t born in a vacuum. Your preferences are a byproduct if the culture you grew up in.
This is Star Wars. The story takes place in an imaginary galaxy in which many of the characters are not even human. But you can’t imagine the idea of a black leading actor.
I’m not saying you’re a racist. That implies prejudice. I am saying you are blind to systematic racism present in what society considers ‘normal’. White is not normal and black different. That is what systematic racism has implanted. Hell, if you define normal by majority, then normal is Asian. Racism has two parts, individual prejudice and systematic racism. The first is the type of racism you’ve talked about, which I’m not accusing anyone of. The other is built in to our society. It’s hidden in the unconscious assumptions we all make. Why do you consider white to be normal and black different? Probably because that’s what you see in media or in your neighborhood growing up. That’s a guess. If you think about it and come up with a different reason, I’d love to hear it. But the thing I’m certain of is that you don’t feel that way because it’s done universal truth. White is not some natural default that other races deviate from.
Oh please nobody is being racist, it’s just the lead character is someone you relate to because they are the most average person in the story. White people are more average and common than black people. Fact. It’s nothing personal for god sake. They can of course cast black people for other roles. But if the lead it to be your average guy, and in the Skywalkers, which is a white family then it makes more sense to make him white. Duh. Obviously Luke adopting means a black lead is more probable. But then idiots would cry RACIST over having the adoptive character a black person. It never ends.
“The only reason you think black actors are a distraction is because Hollywood has over and over again reinforced the racist cultural stereotype that white skin is the neutral, default experience.”
aaaaand mr short sighted reply#1. Walk down the street. What is your average Jo going to look like? White or black? White. The lead should be relatable and your average Jo. Therefore it makes more sense for him to be white. Fact. Yes, I used the word “distraction”. Not in a negative way, just in a way where it’s something you’re going to notice. THAT’s the problem. The appearance of the lead shouldn’t even cross your mind because they are as average as you can be. If they cast a black lead and are surrounded by white people, you are going to notice aren’t you. Duh.
In your neighborhood, maybe, but why should Star Wars represent just your neighborhood? Why should it represent just the US? It doesn’t take place there. Worldwide, there are just as many black people as white, and way more asian people. Star Wars is popular worldwide.
Even if we take your suggestion at face value, let’s go with that. The US is about 15% black. Surely we can’t always have the lead be the majority or were giving the message that “black people are only ever sidekicks, they are never the main character”. Fine, so let’s make 15% of movies have black leads. So 1 or 2 of nine SW movies would be black. Oh, and a few Hispanics, too. Oh right, and half of them women.
By your logic, I don’t want to see any complaints in 20 years when every main character is Hispanic.
@Jeffrey Alfaro, you speak the truth.
When I said it would be distracting for Luke to have a black son, I meant it in a sense that it would deviate from how I pictured the story going. I’ve seen so many Mara Jade illustrations and now I’ve got it in my head that Luke would have a white son.
There something VERY wrong with saying that white is normal or white people are more [insert adjective].
To be honest star wars episode 7 should be spoken in spanish and have english subtitles. It’s not just about your neightborhood, there are more than just English people in the world. If anyone doesn’t want it in spanish, you’re a racist. Star wars is popular everywhere.
Is it racist to say that I hope Luke’s black son doesn’t speak ebonics and sag his Jedi pants?
Or walk with a pimp limp
Quit putting words in my mouth. I specifically said that I’m not calling people racist, since that implies prejudice. I’m saying or society has systematic racism that assumes white is normal. You’d want Chinese to reach the largest audience, anyway. 😉 Besides, my point is that it shouldn’t matter what’s “normal” because there is no real normal. Besides, your argument also purposes that the character needs to be normal to be relatable. If that’s true, that’s very sad, and something we ought to work on. Why should we relate only to people who look like us? Is a sad story more sad if it happens to a white person? Is heroism more heroic if it’s someone who looks like you? Would Wedge’s death be more sad than Chewie’s?
Nathan, not wanting him to be black because you want him to be Ben Skywalker is a little different. But if he’s not Ben Skywalker, then it matter to you? It’s not racist to not want a character to do those things because those things have nothing to do with race. White kids do that too. It has more to do with poverty. Its associated with blacks because more blacks are in poverty because of systematic racism. Again, not because of individual prejudice, by and large, but systematic problems.
Wtf? A black lead? So stupid for so many reasons. If you think having a black character would make a difference towards the film or the audience, you need to get your head examined. It’s not 1950 anymore. Having the main a female on the other hand would be good, because that would actually BE different towards the film. Skin colour makes no difference towards a character.. It’s skin colour. How does that effect the character? It doesn’t. The argument for black character is to show diversity to the audience, which is a huge mistake to give that to the main character in something like star wars. If they want diversity for the audience, then they can do that for the other characters because it can actually show a message to racists that it’s fine to have black friends. Having a black lead would not have that effect, and would obviously be wrong to give that pressure to the lead character. But, having a female lead on the other hand would actually make a difference towards the plot points which would actually be a big deal towards the audience as female leads are actually rare and would actually inspire that target of people.
Thanks for the insight Jeff.
If they REALLY wanted to make a statement about diversity, they would cast Tyler Perry as the lead. Have you seen how many black people come out for Tyler Perry movies? Doesn’t matter how bad the reviews are, there’s always a mile long line.
@Anon Just because it’s a preference or an opinion, doesn’t mean it’s all of a sudden free of criticism.
“I obviously don’t have anything against people who are black, which is racist, I just think the leads should be as basic and normal as possible.”
There’s no way out this sort of comment. This is racist as hell. You’re obviously implying that ‘white’ is ‘normal’. Mind blown.
“The argument for black character is to show diversity to the audience, which is a huge mistake to give that to the main character in something like star wars.”
Clearly you’re in denial. You’re presenting an argument that essentially is, separate but equal. Black characters can only be side characters in Star Wars; get back to the back of the bus.
Don’t deny it.
Yeah you’re right. “don’t have anything against people who are black” is racist as hell.. If you’re just going to look at the argument on the surface then I think that concludes things here.
star wars is not about fucking diversity. It’s good vs evil. Shoving as much social justice as you can into the main character is fucking stupid if it’s not actually going to be part of the story. God how can people be so fucking stupid haha
“star wars is not about fucking diversity. It’s good vs evil. Shoving as much social justice as you can into the main character is fucking stupid if it’s not actually going to be part of the story.”
You’re just saying that because you don’t want to be challenged and you want to ignore it. Your view point is stuck between a rock and a hard place: If a black is a lead, you’ll scream ‘Stupid Diversity.’ If that said actor happens to be best person for the job, regardless of color, you’ll still protest regardless.
Also like a circle, it brings me back to the ‘separate but equal’ argument, in which you’re fine with black characters being the supporting characters but have no business being the leads. This is something that you made very, very clear, which is simply wrong. And yes, opinions can be wrong.
And another person who doesn’t get the point. This is fun 😉
Having a black lead would show that its fine to BE black. Systematic racism has a performative effect on people.
You are saying that skin color doesn’t matter in the same breath are you’re saying that means he should be white. That implies white is default. I’m saying skin color doesn’t matter so he should be whatever color JJ decides to go with because it doesn’t matter. There is no default. I’m arguing against the outrage against even the possibility of a black lead, not that the lead has to be black or white or asian or anything else.
If an audience can’t empathize with a black lead, that’s a problem. I’m not even saying its not true. I’m saying we ought to do better.
They’re not shoehorning in diversity for PC sake. Note that we’re talking about 2 out of 5 actors auditioning for the same role. What this says is that they don’t care about skin color, not that they specifically want a black person.
“star wars is not about fucking diversity. It’s good vs evil. Shoving as much social justice as you can into the main character is fucking stupid if it’s not actually going to be part of the story.”
How is social justice not part of good vs. evil? The entire point of the rebellion was social justice. People were being mistreated, often because they were aliens rather than human. Social justice is all over The Clone Wars. There are whole episodes about pacifism, the personhood of clones and droids, slavery, etc.
“And another person who doesn’t get the point. This is fun ;)”
Oh man, that’s just sad. And wouldn’t be surprised if this is reflection of yourself: being left alone. On your own. By yourself. Everyone else is wrong right?
“If an audience can’t empathize with a black lead, that’s a problem. I’m not even saying its not true. I’m saying we ought to do better.”
omfg you are all so delusional and are so way off the point it’s beyond belief haha
Why is it that Jeffrey has said almost nothing today without playing some sort of race card? It’s obsession.
@AnonymousMarch 27, 2014 at 1:45 AM
He’s just race-sensitive. Give him a break.
^Hey people? How about talking about the CinemaCon?
We’re talking white leads, and black leads, and one another are throwing out the race card, but I say you are all racist. Not once did anyone even consider Luke adopting an asian child. FFS can we not once have an asian lead. Star Wars profits would be threw the roof with China wanting to be in line to watch the new movie. In the end though, you are all racist.
/sarcasm
It’s just wrong on so many levels to have a black lead for star wars. such a cheap excuse and pathetic excuse for diversity. nothing more. they can’t do anything with it skin colour for the plot at all so it’s pointless. If they wanted racial diversity then they can just give it to another character, not the lead unless the plot will touch on skin colour which is absolutely stupid. Having a female lead would be good because they can touch on it and use it for plot points and how characters underestimate her or something, so it would actually effect the plot and would actually have an impact on people and women. Having a black lead won’t do anything apart from take you out of the film, which is 100% wrong for a lead unless the script calls for it.
Finnaly we’ll have cast announcements?
I wouldn’t hold your hand on your arse, otherwise you’ll be holding it there for a long time.
I tend to think that any cast announcements will be made as part of a TV special, and not tied into a multi-genre event. Possibly, even ‘minisode’ prequels to Episode VII, spaced throughout 2014-15 and reintroducing the audience to Luke and Han etc, with flashbacks (clips from Eps IV-VI)?
can you please clarify the timezone? we are all in different ones, and i have no idea what time this is for me ( EST time )
The presentation starts in 1 hour. 11:45 EST.
It’s being held in Las Angeles. Does that help.
I’m 11 hours in front. lot’s of coffee must be drunk I think.
Looking forward to your coverage of this event, Viral.
Giving Luke a black son would just feel way forced.
So early-2000’s.
And then 50 years later people watch the movie again, and they can only think. Wow we were “so” open-minded and evolved, while not even really understanding the concept of racial differences. Then you feel like “oh this guy is just there, because he IS black, but on the other hand it’s not doing any difference at all” so why not just take a white guy, or would that actually make a difference?
It just does not fit so well.
Do you want Shaft to become white?
Movies are simply dominated by white people and practically invented by such. So different ethnics are gonna play their own role, it’s not even bad, really
It would be totally cool and okay, but ultimately it would feel forced and thats a slight problem. If it weren’t for that, it would be cool.
Please don’t feel attacked by those words, simply be proud of whatever anybody is.
It’s also interesting that Lando Calrissian didn’t feel forced at all! I don’t know how they managed but they really just handled it like adults, pro-writing, casting and presentation. No stereo-typing.
But then Samuel L. Jackson as Mace Windu felt extremely forced.
I bet he was just there because…. we need a black Jedi from time to time? oh c’mon
Yeah simply take the blackest dude that was ever an actor and everything is finely balanced. Totally BS- errr I mean PC 😉
If movie studios don’t make an effort to cast more diverse actors and work against the racist stereotype that leading men in movies need to be white because that’s just “what audiences prefer”, then in 50 years from now we’re still going to be having this same conversation.
Anonymous, you’re a conservative, right?
I’m not really sure what you mean by “I don’t know how they managed but they really just handled it like adults, pro-writing, casting and presentation,” with regard to adding Lando to the cast in ESB.
What’s to “manage” about it that you find so surprising? They needed a new rogue type character because they weren’t sure that Harrison Ford was going to agree to do ROTJ. Lucas also didn’t want the world of Star Wars to continue to have the “whites only” feel that it had in ANH. So they got Billy Dee Williams to fill the role.
As for Sam Jackson, he was cast in the PT because he was an A-list actor who was practically begging for any part they’d give him, no matter how small the part was, just because he dug Star Wars so much. They certainly didn’t sit there and say, “We don’t have enough black people in Star Wars. Let’s get “the blackest dude that was ever an actor” and give him a lightsaber and just call it even.”
There’s just way too much obsession in these discussions right now about the notion that black actors in Star Wars are simply being cast as a “PC” gimmick.
Samuel L felt forced because his acting was SO bad, which may have been because of the crappy lines he was given. I don’t think it had anything to do with the color of his skin.
don’t forget James Earl Jones. He was lukes “father” how shocked were we by that revelation? kinda makes sense luke would a black kid after having a black dad. Agreed though, it doesnt matter. Just give us a good story, and fans will come (even if some fans leave).
By the way, it seems that the Latino review prints a ton of rumors and seems like they are always proved wrong.
Honest question, how is their track record for accurate rumors and possibly accurate rumors vs. disproven ones, thoughts?
Absolutely. The dialogue he was given was terrible, on top of which he didn’t really have much of a character to build on, which he has in just about every other movie he ever does. Cap that off with the fact that he almost certainly never saw a full script for either of those three SW movies and it was a virtual guarantee that his acting as Mace wasn’t going to be anywhere near his usual standards.
“A Sith LORD”?….. and the award goes to…
Man, I still get a chuckle out of how bad that line was. Not only its delivery, but just the fact that Lucas even wrote it in the first place.
After all, the Jedi had only been looking for a flippin’ Sith lord for about a decade and a half, and they knew there was one controlling a big chunk of the Senate. So what’s the reaction of the head of the Jedi Council when the Sith lord is finally identified? “A Sith lord?” as though this were the first he’d ever heard of it.
Sam bungled the delivery of that line to a comical degree, but there was really no good way to deliver that line in the first place because it made Mace come across like a damned amnesiac. “Well, Mace has his good days and his bad days…”
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I’m not sure Disney’s presentation was on the topic of racism in film. Also, they’re playing all of you against each other to create buzz as usual. I couldn’t care less about the ethnicity of the actors but a lot of people are missing the indicators that they could well be writing the story based on who they cast and not vice versa. That is the real issue here.
Now, this I will certainly agree with. If indeed they have such a loose idea as to the story they want to tell that they are letting their casting decisions guide the story rather than the other way around, that’s a pretty significant problem.
Because that was one of the things that I felt killed the PT from the get-go. Lucas really didn’t have more than the most general idea of the story he wanted to tell, and so we ended up with disposable villains and half-baked storylines that don’t go much of anywhere.
Though I understand the need for flexibility as far as casting and characters go, especially for a project like this, I REALLY hope that they have a solid enough story for this new sequel trilogy that they aren’t just going to let it go wherever the winds happen to blow it. That would not bode well for the future at all.
Whew, I feel better now. To be clear I’m not basing my suspicions on the rumor of Luke having a black (adopted?) son. A part of yesterday’s rumor was that they were prepared to alter some of the backstory based on who they cast. And like I said yesterday, often when there’s smoke there’s fire (not that I invented that saying of course). It just happened that the 2 rumors came out together and I just don’t want something I thought was actually pretty significant to get overlooked.
I’m right with ya on this one. So many people are having such conniptions over the rumor (RUUUUU-MOR!) that Luke might have a black son that the more important point that you raise has been getting almost completely lost in the process.
Here’s hoping that they have a far more solid idea of what the story and characters are going to be than what the “adjustable backstory” rumor would seem to indicate.
Totally legit concern. However, I’m not too worries about it. I think its far more likely that its something along the lines of, “We want the story to be about Luke’s son facing such-and-such issues and themes. We want to pick the actor that can best portray those issues and themes. We don’t care what they look like. If the best actor is black, we’ll say he’s adopted. If he’s white, he’s Luke’s son. It doesn’t matter to the story because Luke would feel the same either way. Hell, if he’s ginger we’ll say his mom is Mara Jade and throw the EU fans a bone.”
The backstory shifts to match the actor, not the entire story. Details, a throwaway line here and there. That’s my suspicion anyway. Could be wrong.
I dunno, Jeffrey. It could be that simple, but then again if any aspect of Luke’s son’s troubles with the dark side is at all connected to his ancestry (I could see being the grandson of Darth Vader having its own set of problems) the change in backstory could have a profound effect on the way the character’s story unfolds in the new trilogy.
This is the main reason why I question whether the “shifting backstory” rumor is true in the first place. There would seem to be a very different potential dynamic between a Skywalker offspring and his ancestry to what you’d expect to see if it’s an adopted child instead.
Well, sure, if that’s the conflict. But really Anakin’s story could inspire ANYONE to think that it was do-able, but you’re right that that’s not as strong an argument. Anyway, that’s just one possible arc. There are many more that wouldn’t be affected that way.
Thanks both for your inputs (I’m that Anon). It really does depend on the significance of the backstory changes and how they mesh with the overall story arc. Obviously there’s no way we can know either of those things yet. I still find it significant b/c if these movies are even modestly successful then even the smallest detail will be greatly scrutinized and could even form the basis of new EU content. That’s why I’m really hoping for a great attention to detail.
Has anyone read the updates that Viral has posted, or are you all too busy bicering amongst yourselves. No news yet again.
If Luke has a black son, it becomes silly and self-conscious, let”s face it. It becomes affirmative action for no reason at all. And why does he have to be Black? Are there no Asians or Indians or Mexicans in the Star Wars universe, too? Why do you have to insist on a Black leading actor for Star Wars? If you insist on affirmative action, I want to see a Mexican Jedi!!!
As long as Han and Leia have biological kids, I don’t mind Luke having an adopted kid. I’d just like for some skywalker kid to carry on the bloodline.
Maybe Adam Driver will be Han and Leia’s evil son, and it will be up to Luke’s black adopted son to stop him from destroying the galaxy. That could work.
Nobody was insisting that he have a black son. We’re insisting that its okay if he does. Thanks Anon 9:51 for remembering that Leia is a Skywalker, too.
I come for the news, but I stay for the arguments.
It really is amazing how quickly the arguments can get started, isn’t it?
Of course, it doesn’t help that at least half the posters are still posting under “Anonymous”. Makes it real easy to conflate different people’s posts as though they were all coming from the same person.
Tomorrow I’ll do something that I hope would reduce the anonymous posters. 🙂
Whats your plan Viral
Some Star Wars related giveaways.
Sounds good
Oh man, am I finally going to need to decide on a user name? Too much pressure …
Giveaways…? Don’t waste money on us… Unless I win something (;
What makes me laugh is the fact that we have no concrete information on what the film is about, let alone who is in it and the parts they will play. The whole conversation got very heated very quickly, kinda reminded of Lord Of The Flies.
I think if the actor is good and the character is good, “which we won’t know because we don’t right now” then we should accept them. the only reason I will ever bash a movie or an actor is if I find it to be absolutely useless to society IE Shia labeouf. but I have not seen this supposed actor in anything therefor I would have to wait to know. But I will say that if the people making episode Vii are as good as I think the are, that they will pick the right people.
New ‘Star Wars’ Plot Revealed?
http://news.yahoo.com/star-wars-plot-revealed-094500060–politics.html
Nothing new. Don’t waste your time reading the article.
It’s… too late… for me… son.
if the character has to be black.. use Keven heart .. Lmao
What’s wrong with Luke having a biological/adopted black son. The idea of a black boy being trained by Luke. And then them developing a father/son relationship sounds sweet. And the idea of Luke having a bio son that gets jealous of the black padawan. Of course that’s just me.
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I dunno, I just can’t see Luke with enough thug appeal or being a big enough baller to make a black girl happy. Adopting works for me, but then the skywalker bloodline isn’t in play, and I think they could do some really interesting stuff with it.
Sorry, it’s hard not to stereotype after living in the dirty south for 10+ years. It’s A LOT different than where I grew up (Seattle).
It is not hard. You just think before you click publish. Besides, Luke is easily the biggest baller around. He rolled on Jabba.
I think we should all be upset that Yoda had a white adopted padawan named luke. After all the difference in height and skin color was a huge distraction through out the movie.
Pretty sure that last tweet was dripping with sarcasm.
“They’re not ready. It shoots in 5 weeks, there’s no information they can share.”
I thought that too. Obviously they’ve got most of the casting finished, and I’d suspect that by now they’d have everyone in place. There has to be time for costume fittings, lightsaber practice for those who will be wielding them (unless there really aren’t many scenes in Ep VII that would warrant it… and I can’t see the Mouse standing still for a SW movie with no saber fights!) and for the cast to get settled in with their characters. You sure don’t want to cast a lead in a Star Wars movie on a Friday and say, “We start filming on Monday.”
Apparently, Disney has some big announcement planned where they lay the whole main cast on us at once. It’s reminding me a bit of the casting for the new Doctor in Doctor Who. There was months of speculation last year, and tons of “We’ve got the real scoop and it’s gonna be THIS guy!” (including very confident “insider” predictions that the new Doctor was going to be a woman, or was going to be black. Then, the BBC announced a live TV special in which the new Doctor would be revealed, and it turned out that Peter Capaldi was really the only guy they asked because he was the guy they really wanted. The decision had been made already during most of the wild speculation.
I have a sneaking suspicion that we’re looking at the same thing here. We’re hearing all of these wild rumors, nobody knows anything for sure, and then… I bet they announce a big TV special to air on May 4th, right before production begins, and they’ll trot out the cast that they’ve already had in place for awhile now.
I’ll bet a whole buncha one of y’all’s money that this is how it plays out. ;^)
You may be right, Lucas did mention that they want to “announce it with some big whoop-de-do” when they announce the cast. I’ll also wager it will on ABC, for obvious reasons.
Also, May 4th is on a Sunday, that’s a big Prime Time Slot. I would actually prefer it that way, it’s more ceremonious than hearing about it on the internet or news, and more fitting for a pop cultural Icon like Star Wars.
P.S. Might even give them filler to put on the DVD Special Features disc.
Well, Luke was half black. His dad was James Earl Jones. Maybe his blackness is just a recessive gene.
Hmmm Anakin ( Hayden C. ) is his father.
Who the hell cares if the character is black, white, purple, whatever? Any actor cast will play their role as it was meant to be played, as it was written, race will matter not! Regardless of the cast, if you cannot remove yourself from yourself for two hours and just enjoy the movie for what it is, a movie, then you are a lost cause.
♫ It looks like another major convention with no news. ♫
after reading all your posts OMG! you lot would be throwing stones at one another if you could suffice to say, our species hasn’t come very far and is more than deserving of a lost cause.
Could there possibly be a ‘New Hope’ Lets hope we get to see a new SW movie before this data is analysis ed…. A SW fan from New Zealand, land of the Hobbits, the next Avatar installments and if i may say so, great ice cream and true to life characters.
sheep shagger get over yourself…
hahahahaha don’t you have sheep where you are?
that’s tooooo bad! i say lol
How about no son for Luke just a padawan ?
Can’t do that. The Skywalker line must continue. The whole generational tale thing. Even Han and Leia having a kid isn’t enough. Heshe would be a solo and not a Skywalker. Luke has to have a son to carry on the family name. And as for him being black…I would be ripshit if the kid had brown or black HAIR. Luke’s son needs to LOOK like Luke and Anakin. They need a white, male, blue eyed, blonde haired actor.
All other roles can be whatever the story calls for.
“white, blue eyes, blonde hair” Hmmmm where i have i heard that before..and you know that if Leia has a kid, that will continue the Skywalker bloodline right?
..duh it will continue the bloodline, that’s not the point, The point is that it wont be for the lead, hence the problem
Who really cares about bloodlines in Star Wars, Luke was adopted and loved his parents, they were not blood related. Anakin didn’t have a father that we know of yet. Anakin said obi wan was like a father to him. So everyone needs to get over Skywalker genes, a multi generational tale does not necessarily mean all protagonists must be related.
Yeah, they are going to shoot in May…. Dr Evil says Riiiiiiight….
Ladies and Gentz…. This is what happens when we got to wait til Dec 2015…. Lots of drama and things to get yaked about. But its fun to read all this cause it shows the passion we all have for it….. I personally can’t wait until the space battles and lightsaber fights we get to see….. As for Lukes child, havent we been told about emotional decisions made the wrong way ? How many times yoda, obi-wan, qui-gon, mace, etc etc keep chatting this ? Jedi don’t have relationships. its the dedication they must have to protect others and not have their thinking clouded by drama…. period…. forget the books…..if they stay with the movies only, then Luke never has kids or has a wife. Now leia can because she never became a Jedi… she married and settled with han….. now you can argue how many kids they have from 1 to 69, however, when its all said and done, the Jedi dont get married…. now for fun, and for the book fans, episode 7 could have characters like Darth Revan or Mara Jade and other popular ones and have them in small parts, or as sidekicks, but its best for the trilogy of trilogies to just stick with the movie story… that means Luke has no wife and kids….. there, that should do it for ya. thank you for reading this episode of yak after all this other yak was said before me on them arguements…… : )
“if they stay with the movies only, then Luke never has kids or has a wife.”
Or what? He’ll be kicked out of the Jedi Order?
Who’s to say that they will keep any of the old pre-Empire Jedi Order rules in place once Luke begins training new Jedi? All of those rules against emotional attachment didn’t do a thing to help the Jedi stop the Sith from operating right under their noses, and ultimately those rules contributed directly to Anakin’s fall to the dark side, and ultimately to the fall of the Republic and the Jedi Order.
Why would Luke recreate that same system after everything that happened? Especially since it was emotional attachment that allowed him to save his father from the dark side?
I don’t think there’s any guarantee at all that Luke won’t have offspring in the new movies, and if he does have a kid (or even a wife) it certainly won’t negate what happened in the earlier movies.
Luke can and should have kids to follow the skywalker son narrative. This is such an obvious plot advantage. Who cares about some rules that have nothing to do with Luke’s time and that he was never told about? Luke is the last of the jedi and was told to pass on what he has learnt. He was like 25, Perfect opportunity to have a kid. Absoluely nothing is stopping him other than you and your prequel rules that have nothing to do with Luke at this point in time. Who wants jedi to be boring stale love-free monks like in the prequels anyway? No thanks!
^ you’re crazy if you think all this waiting is “fun.”
A passion for Star Wars, the story of my life lol
although, apparently i have a passion for sheep too
so it’s all good baaaahahahaha
Why is it that for the past two day all conversations around here seem to be centered on race, not Star Wars. I don’t care what side of the fence you are on, take the fight somewhere else and let’s talk about real Star Wars stuff.
like what? what else can we possibly talk about in relation to star wars stuff?
Any other Mormons out there think they were having cinemacon in the conference center in Salt Lake from the top photo?
Star Wars Episode VII: The Movie That We Still Know Nothing About
Lets the black people for Lando, Luke MUST have a white kid…..thats it thats all
The creator of the franchise called Star Wars who based
LUKE S kywalker on himself
LUCAS
So if George has a Black child and the new creators want Luke to have a black child then I guess that is that!
Star Wars Episode VII Into the Brightness hasusahassuahuasha
♫ I think it is funny the amount of posts people are calling each other racist simply because they think it might be odd of Luke had a Black Son. Yet if Lando had a white Child people would really lose it. Regardless of how much Info Disney reveals, once shooting starts, between Actors, agents and film crew, info will start leaking out. I’m surprised Disney still hasn’t announced anything, they start shooting in a month. ♫
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If they are following the storyline where Luke’s son Ben is indeed white then I personally think it just fucks up the story if they suddenly make his son black and adopted for the movie …. doesn’t make sense to me :/ guess we’ll have to wait it out I just hope they make this one the best one yet !
Spiderman is black. And by the way I’m adopted and there is nothing wrong with a diverse story,in a diverse universe to brake bigotus norms. Also I don’t even know where my ancestors came from and neither do my adoptive parents and we do just fine. If Luke’s kid were Asian or Hispanic should that matter? I think not.
Who cares if any of it makes sense, right? Hell, just let the best actor or actress get the part of Luke’s son. It wouldn’t matter if Morgan Freeman got the part to play Luke Skywalker’s 14 year old son right? Because it doesn’t matter if it makes sense. So if a woman does the best job at auditions then have Ben Skywalker be played by a woman and just say that Ben is a boy but looks like a girl. Who cares if it follows the storyline or makes sense. We should give the role to whoever can do the best job right? You guys are a bunch of idiots. If the main character of the story is Ben then it needs to be a white guy playing Ben. If the main character of the story is Lando’s son, then it better be a black guy playing his child. This is a movie it doesn’t have to have everything PC and equal, but it does need to follow the story and make sense.
John Boyega is damn ugly lol. I’m a Latina btw so don’t even try to say I’m a racist because it’s not since most people are ugly regardless who they are. And yes I can confidently say there are ugly Latins too.